WEBVTT - Into the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>Pushken.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time I visited Lucas of Virgin Matu Gruso

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<v Speaker 2>was in May twenty twenty five. On my first day there,

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<v Speaker 2>I decided to head over to Bruce Raster's Ethano Refinery

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<v Speaker 2>FS Fueling Sustainability to take some photos. Today had down

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<v Speaker 2>a bit cloudy, but it was hot over thirty degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 2>After lunch, a cold wind started blowing. At three in

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon. When I was outside the refinery, the sky

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly darkened, the wind started wheeping up sand, and everything

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<v Speaker 2>turned reddish. I managed to film a few seconds off

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<v Speaker 2>the scene before rushing into my car. The wind was

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<v Speaker 2>shaking the Imperial palm trees violently, and I was afraid

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<v Speaker 2>one of them might follow me. On my drive back

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<v Speaker 2>to the hotel, I saw palm branches scattered across the road,

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<v Speaker 2>a fallen utility pole, and a torn billboard. Then the

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<v Speaker 2>rain came and the temperature dropped to about fifteen degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>I kept wondering if that had been an extreme event,

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<v Speaker 2>or if this happened all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Wonder she get when I read here It's prayed for

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<v Speaker 3>six months and was stunning for six months.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mozilla Santus is an organic farmer who has lived

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<v Speaker 2>in the region for twenty two years. She says that

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<v Speaker 2>everything is now hotter and more stifling, and she has

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<v Speaker 2>a hunch as to why most we no longer have.

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<v Speaker 1>That tall dance vegetations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where it cools down, That's where debris comes.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's just fields, just fields.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearing, more and more clearing, more and more clearing, more

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<v Speaker 3>and more planting, just planting, That's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also reflected in the data on as when

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<v Speaker 2>i callde front advances, it displaces the hot, dry air

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<v Speaker 2>over the region, also generating very strong wind gusts.

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<v Speaker 4>With the large area of dry loose soil, dust is

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<v Speaker 4>kicked up and creates sandstorms.

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<v Speaker 2>An Apollo Pies is a meteorologist and climate analysis consultant

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<v Speaker 2>with the National Institute for Space Research in Brazil.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucas do Healvas Lucas do Hillviage has been experiencing this

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<v Speaker 4>more frequently because it is in an area of agricultural

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<v Speaker 4>expansion with large tracks of exposed soil during the dry season,

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<v Speaker 4>which facilitates this type of phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, the more open land there is, the greater

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<v Speaker 2>chance of windstorms like I soil Lucas als missing Quinta

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>The trend is towards hot days, drier and longer seasons,

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<v Speaker 4>and rainfall more concentrate in extreme events.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas do juveg.

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<v Speaker 4>This means more challenge for agriculture management, greater pressure on

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<v Speaker 4>water resources, and a need for urban adaptation such as

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<v Speaker 4>street planting, soil management and strategies to reduce heat islands.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucas markets itself as a city of opportunities because of

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<v Speaker 2>agribusiness and its promise of a sustainable future. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>why people like Bruce and the Fronts Brothers, his partners

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<v Speaker 2>in the Brazilian corner Eathanal Business moved there. But what

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<v Speaker 2>that storm of wind and sand show me was another

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<v Speaker 2>side of lucas relationship with agribusiness, and it connects the

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<v Speaker 2>city directly to Bruce's legacy in Iowa. I'm Philip Sabrina.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Ammy Westervelt.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>You say, how do carbon Cowboys?

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<v Speaker 2>A podcast that tells the story of Hawaii US agribusiness

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<v Speaker 2>tycoon managed to expand industrial agriculture in Brazil by promising

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<v Speaker 2>to protect the client.

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<v Speaker 4>Modelo Quine.

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<v Speaker 2>The put Sandyarch Fruit.

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<v Speaker 5>Project was a model for producing fruits and vegetables fresh produce.

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<v Speaker 5>We wanted to move towards agro ecological and organic practices

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<v Speaker 5>so we wouldn't have to use pesticides right.

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<v Speaker 1>Nilfl Lancher is a farmer from Santa Catarina. He's lived

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<v Speaker 1>with his wife, Ilaria one Hear on a small farm

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<v Speaker 1>in Lucas since two thousand and seven. It's roughly the

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<v Speaker 1>size of five soccer fields. The property is located in

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<v Speaker 1>a rural settlement and half of it is designated as

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<v Speaker 1>an environmental reserve. There they built a small paradise of

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<v Speaker 1>pesticide free food, both for their own consumption and for sale.

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<v Speaker 1>The farm was part of a larger project to create

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<v Speaker 1>settlements for thirty farming families. But over the years, with

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<v Speaker 1>the advance of monoculture farming, of these small farms have survived, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Those settlements in the region where no one ever imagined

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<v Speaker 5>soybeans and corn would enter today they have.

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<v Speaker 1>The spread of these monoculture crops has brought the pesticides

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to keep at bay closer to them.

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<v Speaker 1>The wind spreads these chemicals over the small farmers fields

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<v Speaker 1>and contaminates their food. In the case of Nilpo and Ilaria,

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<v Speaker 1>this has undermined the couple's production. The insects trying to

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<v Speaker 1>escape the poison from the monoculture crops also end up

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<v Speaker 1>in the fields of Nilpho and Ilaria and other families

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<v Speaker 1>in the settlement.

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<v Speaker 5>Even the lemons or lemon trees died. Citrus doesn't last here.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't last more than five or six years here.

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<v Speaker 5>The avocados that are blooming now, they're blooming, but they're

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<v Speaker 5>not sailing fruit. We don't know if it's something to

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<v Speaker 5>do with the climate or the region or pollination. You

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<v Speaker 5>hardly see any bees all all because of the pesticides.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the water in their settlement is drying up.

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<v Speaker 6>They comutari before we pass out for sustain Malada.

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<v Speaker 5>We have a community well, but we've been without water

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<v Speaker 5>since yesterday. If it weren't from my well, there'd be

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<v Speaker 5>no way to water anything. Our production here isn't commercials.

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<v Speaker 5>The Rio Verde no longer fills the reservoir where it

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<v Speaker 5>used to maintain the water level during the drough This

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<v Speaker 5>is also due to the drainage of the water table

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<v Speaker 5>where they dug drainage channels to plant soybeans, so that

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<v Speaker 5>sponge like layer that used to hold water to release

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<v Speaker 5>during the drought has shrunk significantly. We know this has

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<v Speaker 5>a huge impact, but.

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<v Speaker 1>The problems don't just affect Milfo and other small scale farmers.

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<v Speaker 1>They affect the whole city. An analysis conducted by Info

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<v Speaker 1>Amazonia and Tatianamura is a researcher at the Climate and

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<v Speaker 1>Health Observatory of the Oswaldo Cruise Foundation, shows that a

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<v Speaker 1>child born in Lucas do Rio Vergi has a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent higher risk of being born with congenital anomalies than

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<v Speaker 1>a child born in another city in the same state,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and seventy kilometers away. They say the reason

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<v Speaker 1>for this is the widespread presence of industrial agriculture in Lucas.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas now has thousands of hectors of monoculture crops like cotton, soy,

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<v Speaker 1>and corn. These crops use an incredible amount of pesticides.

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<v Speaker 7>The contamination is intense in the water, the air, the soil,

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<v Speaker 7>and the people. Everything is contaminated and the effects are

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<v Speaker 7>felt directly by the population. As in the case you

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<v Speaker 7>may be familiar with it of breast milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Debra Carleros is a biologist for the Federal Public

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor's Office of Monto Grosso do Sul. She researches pesticides

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<v Speaker 1>in the environment. The case of breast milk she mentions

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<v Speaker 1>was reported on national television. Ahead is That study conducted

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<v Speaker 1>with sixty two breastfeeding mothers in Matto Grosso, revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>all of their milk was contaminated. In addition to finding

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<v Speaker 1>pesticides in all milk samples from the mothers who participated

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<v Speaker 1>in the study, the researchers also discovered that in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases there were six types of pesticides, including one that

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<v Speaker 1>has been banned for over a decade. That study was

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<v Speaker 1>published in twenty eleven. Professor Wanderley Pignatty from the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>University of Manto Grosso was involved in the study. He

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<v Speaker 1>says the problem has not gone away aglage cause.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the main cause is the heavy use of pesticides

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<v Speaker 6>that contaminate the water, the air, the rain and the

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<v Speaker 6>food people are eating.

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<v Speaker 1>Needful one share says that the larger producers, the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who have made Lucas fass As an agricultural leader, could

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<v Speaker 1>help small farmers like him. And it's at this point

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<v Speaker 1>that he mentioned some names we've heard before.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he sie Sichjievo your grande proudors.

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<v Speaker 5>There is no incentive for a large scale farmer who

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<v Speaker 5>has accumulated land there, who could say, no, I'll make

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<v Speaker 5>a point of it here and subdivide that land for

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<v Speaker 5>twenty families to grow vegetables and everything. The former mayor himself,

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<v Speaker 5>who is from Fia grill Miguel right, I mean Marino

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<v Speaker 5>Franz Mano, Julio Paolo. They have a lot of land.

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<v Speaker 5>Instead of giving up for something like this, they want

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<v Speaker 5>to buy more.

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<v Speaker 1>Marino, Paolo and Miguel are Bruce Rastutter's partners in Brazil.

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<v Speaker 1>Together they founded FS in Lucas ten years ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>company throws the word sustainability into its ads whenever it can.

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<v Speaker 1>Ajolda my sustinkda thanks.

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<v Speaker 8>Hoping to make the planet increasingly sustainable has been one

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<v Speaker 8>of the main goals of major industries which are working

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<v Speaker 8>towards a better net zero carbon world.

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<v Speaker 1>FS was founded with this purpose in mind. When Marino

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<v Speaker 1>was mayor, Milfo spoke with his administration about a dream

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<v Speaker 1>of building a green belt in the area. Miilfo's wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Ilaria says the deputy mayor at the time, a businessman

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<v Speaker 1>in the home appliance industry, discouraged the project Eli. She

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<v Speaker 1>says he told Milfo, you'll never be able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce and his partners say they started almost from scratch

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<v Speaker 1>as small farmers and celebrate their rags to riches, success

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<v Speaker 1>stories and agribusiness whenever they can. But in the city

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<v Speaker 1>they chose as the birthplace of their empire. In Brazil,

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<v Speaker 1>farms like theirs are crushing the dreams of small farmers,

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<v Speaker 1>much like what happened back in Iowa. As you heard

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<v Speaker 1>in episode two.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh Leasie Lily Fallo ele American.

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<v Speaker 6>Polo.

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<v Speaker 5>He says he's American. He took courses and everything studied

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<v Speaker 5>in the United States, so he has this capitalist mindset

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<v Speaker 5>where he thinks that's how it is that we all

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<v Speaker 5>depend on him, that the jobs he creates or won't matter.

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<v Speaker 5>But he forgets to start in a company like this

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<v Speaker 5>should also be about making food production a priority, but

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<v Speaker 5>for him was sustainable, was economic development, It's agribusiness.

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<v Speaker 1>In August twenty twenty five, when Philippe went to interview Mielfel,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ilaria for the second time at their settlement. They

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<v Speaker 1>had just returned from the market. Some of the food

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<v Speaker 1>they bought they actually grow on the farm, but the

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<v Speaker 1>plants no longer produce enough to cover their household needs.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the vision of a sustainable future that agribusiness

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<v Speaker 1>is creating in Lucas. Cory Melby, the American agricultural consultant

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<v Speaker 1>we heard from earlier in the season, says corn has

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<v Speaker 1>transformed Monto Grosso over the past decade and it was

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<v Speaker 1>all Marino Franz's plan.

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<v Speaker 9>The cornet all is what doubled land prices the past

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<v Speaker 9>decade in Montro Grosso. Marino friends, you know Paulo's brother there,

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<v Speaker 9>I had investors. I mean, I was taking hedge fund

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<v Speaker 9>guys around and it was the mayor at the time,

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<v Speaker 9>and he was giving me all these cool little charts

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<v Speaker 9>with a two hundred kilometer radius around Lucas. And he

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<v Speaker 9>was the first to tell us by twenty twenty, Montre

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<v Speaker 9>Grosso will be to produced in fifty million tons or

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<v Speaker 9>corn everything in this radius, everything around Marino. You're fucking

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<v Speaker 9>folly shit, I said, no way in hell is Montre

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<v Speaker 9>groser going to produce fifty million times in a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>How wrong I was.

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<v Speaker 1>They've turned Matto Grosso into a whole corn utopia. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not enough. Bruce and the guys wanted more. They

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<v Speaker 1>started eyeing land near the Amazon River.

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<v Speaker 9>I kind of told them not to go there to

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<v Speaker 9>begin with, and then they asked me with on a

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<v Speaker 9>tour to help interpret because they wanted to buy more land.

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<v Speaker 9>I said, you probably shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for grangos to start there.

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<v Speaker 9>That's for experienced braziliance with a plethora of lawyers behind them.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce didn't take Corey's advice, but he still tried to

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<v Speaker 1>be discreet. Except we found his flag planted in A'mapa

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<v Speaker 1>on four thousand hectares of land in the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon. That story is coming up after the break.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Como Prince Sada and this the and Aeroba communities

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<v Speaker 8>squeezes him between these agribusinesses. It's a community of lake fishermen,

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<v Speaker 8>but they've practically lost all their land.

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<v Speaker 1>Father Sisto Magro is Italian but has lived in Brazil

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen eighty nine. For eighteen years he's worked for

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<v Speaker 1>the Pastoral Land Commission in Amappa with the territories of

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<v Speaker 1>traditional peoples and communities. The Anderobo community he Mentions is

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<v Speaker 1>one of these territories. It has about three hundred inhabitants

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<v Speaker 1>and is located in the rural area of the municipality

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<v Speaker 1>of Rattarugalzino, about two hundred and thirty kilometers from the

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<v Speaker 1>capital Macapa.

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<v Speaker 2>Comeso Partidos miris migos.

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<v Speaker 8>Starting in twenty eleven twenty twelve, agribusinesses began moving an

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<v Speaker 8>en mass right in the logging sector as well as

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<v Speaker 8>in agriculture, specifically soybean monoculture.

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<v Speaker 1>The Salmon Will Farm is one of the agribusinesses squeezing

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<v Speaker 1>the residents of Andaroba between soybean and cornfields. The property

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<v Speaker 1>spans four thousand hectares and has a direct connection to

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Rastetter. While sifting through documents, father she still gave

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<v Speaker 1>him Flippi ended up at the thirtar Uga Zennial Registry

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<v Speaker 1>office twice looking for more papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Jobon's Documents Usincza. The thing was, no, I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to request some documents please, I have the numbers here.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you that? Okay? It's record two m

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<v Speaker 2>page forty three, Book two. It's registration. Yeah, it's registration.

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<v Speaker 1>The documents Philippe obtained show that a company owned by

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas's mayor and Bruce's partner, Miguel Vaz Ribero, purchased Salmanuel

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<v Speaker 1>Farm in November twenty sixteen. That same month and year,

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<v Speaker 1>it sold the property to a second company, Salmanuel Agricola Limitada.

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<v Speaker 1>Documents from the time show that one of the partners

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<v Speaker 1>in company was would you believe it, Summit Salmanuel LLC,

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<v Speaker 1>based in Iowa in the United States, at the same

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<v Speaker 1>address as Bruce's office. The other partner in the company

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<v Speaker 1>was a firm owned by a co founder of FS

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<v Speaker 1>and the CEO of FS. And here's a really important detail.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, Salmonuel Agricola LIMITAA pledged the Salmonuel Farm

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<v Speaker 1>as collateral for a nearly six million dollar debt owed

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<v Speaker 1>to Bruce's Summit Salmanuel LLC. The debt is due in

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<v Speaker 1>November of this year. If the debt isn't paid, the

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand Hector farm, planted with corn and soybeans, could

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<v Speaker 1>pass entirely into the hands of corn ethanol magnate Bruce Rastetter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth noting here that in Brazil, foreigners faced various

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions on buying land, and that's especially true in the Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>Property is used to settle a debt, things work a

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<v Speaker 1>little differently. To get the environmental permits it needed to

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<v Speaker 1>plant large scale farms a few kilometers from the homes

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<v Speaker 1>in Anderoba, Salmonuel Agricola had to get the consent of

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<v Speaker 1>the community.

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<v Speaker 4>Losto scale.

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<v Speaker 3>They sent an invitation to our principal, the manager of

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<v Speaker 3>the Salmonoel farm, saying there would be a public hearing,

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<v Speaker 3>that various organizations would be present and that it would

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<v Speaker 3>be good for the community to hear what they had

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<v Speaker 3>to say the benefits they would bring to the community.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jenil se Gonsalves Patoja talking with Philippe and

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<v Speaker 1>Marcia Hiberdosa, our audio producer in Anderoba. She's a resident

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<v Speaker 1>there and a secretary at the school where a public

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<v Speaker 1>hearing on the salmon Weel farm was held in September

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. President were Salmonuel Agricola's farm direct and

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<v Speaker 1>company employees, as well as public officials such as the

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<v Speaker 1>State Secretary of Environment and the superintendent of the Amapa

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<v Speaker 1>Institute of Historical and Artistic heritage.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a public hearing for the company's licensing. It

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<v Speaker 3>was the public hearing that would lead to the licensing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you understand that you were being consulted so the

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<v Speaker 1>areas could be cleared? We didn't know that part.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew it was a public hearing where they were

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<v Speaker 3>presenting their case to the community. Because if it were

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<v Speaker 3>up to us, the soybean plantation thing would be a

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<v Speaker 3>tough sell, since we don't see any benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenisay and others that Philippi and Marcia interviewed at the

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<v Speaker 1>Anderuba Community School say they didn't have enough information at

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing to understand that this wasn't just a public

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<v Speaker 1>meeting to learn about the project, that actually this meeting

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<v Speaker 1>would decide whether or not the project happened, and that

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<v Speaker 1>this was their chance to have a say. They all

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<v Speaker 1>to say there was almost no room for public participation

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<v Speaker 1>during the meetings.

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<v Speaker 3>It ended up starting around ten am, and each statement

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<v Speaker 3>had to be a maximum of three minutes. They were

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<v Speaker 3>already asking Father Seesto to stop talking. Then I spoke

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<v Speaker 3>for five minutes and enough enough. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>let me speak. Holding the meeting at ten am on

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<v Speaker 3>a workday also limited participation. Look, there are plenty of children.

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<v Speaker 3>There were more children than adults, So this public hearing

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<v Speaker 3>for the issuance of an environmental permit plant soybeans and

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<v Speaker 3>corn was composed for the most part of school kids.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Jeninci in the Environmental Impact Studies Salmon. While

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<v Speaker 3>Aricola submitted to the Department of the Environment to obtain

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<v Speaker 3>its license, it argued that without the jobs created by

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<v Speaker 3>the farm, the population of Enderova would lose its quality

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<v Speaker 3>of life. They also said that this would lead to

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<v Speaker 3>environmental degradation in the region due to hunting and resource extraction.

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<v Speaker 9>If anyching Brie was a Chivik billow man satching bribus.

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<v Speaker 6>Regarding jobs, we see that at least seven direct jobs

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<v Speaker 6>will be created for this specific project.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Lucas Space, the farm's director. In an interview

0:20:33.361 --> 0:20:35.361
<v Speaker 1>he gave to a local website on the day of

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing. Janie se Gonsalvez Pantoja disagrees lucul.

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<v Speaker 3>Is if we don't see it creating jobs. Sometimes they

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<v Speaker 3>look for people from outside doork within the community itself.

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<v Speaker 3>There are many heads of households who need jobs but

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<v Speaker 3>don't have them. So we don't see this benefit, this

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<v Speaker 3>return they say they give to the community, We don't

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<v Speaker 3>see it. Despite all of that, the public hearing was

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<v Speaker 3>a success. After interviewing people from the Anderoba community, Philibe

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<v Speaker 3>went to the capital, Makapa to speak with Amapa's environmental prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 3>Marcelo Morreda. He asked him about the hearing held by

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<v Speaker 3>Salmonuel Agricola.

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<v Speaker 2>Lindao.

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<v Speaker 6>The public hearing is crucial in theory, it's essential. But

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't hear about the public hearing, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>that's an indication that it wasn't widely publicized, but it

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<v Speaker 6>didn't generate board participation. What we did hear about was

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<v Speaker 6>its outcome through the Pastoral Land Commission, which is another

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<v Speaker 6>sign right.

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<v Speaker 1>Morreda emphasizes the damage that agriculture can cause in the

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<v Speaker 1>region thanks to a peculiarity of the ecosystem itself. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Amapa is in the Amazon, the salmon will farm is

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<v Speaker 1>in a transition zone considered part of the sahato A

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<v Speaker 1>remnant from thousands of years ago when the planet was drier,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is strategic for business owners since in the

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<v Speaker 1>Sejao biome by law, the area protected from deforestation is

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five percent of property. That's a lot smaller than

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<v Speaker 1>land in the Amazon, where you would have to set

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<v Speaker 1>aside eighty percent of the property for conservation.

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<v Speaker 6>The serrada within these Amazonian body and ice, along with

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<v Speaker 6>this area of Makapa, which we call the resaka, a

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<v Speaker 6>wetland or swamp. To the two Oga ducklings, we talk

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<v Speaker 6>about the Amazon and only think of the forest, but

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<v Speaker 6>when it comes to the wetland, it's like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 6>anything goes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Salmon Will Farm had a fine of nearly nine

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<v Speaker 1>million ray ice for illegal deforestation. The penalty was imposed

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, but even still, Bruce and his partners

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<v Speaker 1>managed to obtain licenses to plant tons of corn and

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<v Speaker 1>soybeans in the very same location where the environmental violation occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>The operating license is valid until twenty thirty and the

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<v Speaker 1>fine was waived this year after the break. What was

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<v Speaker 1>so attractive for Bruce and the guys about the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. After visiting Tartarugazino in Amapa, Philippi

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<v Speaker 1>and Marcia went to Santana Island, twenty five kilometers from

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<v Speaker 1>Makapa on the banks of the Amazon River. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>site of Miguel Vaz and Marino Franz's new venture. See

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that was most attractive about buying land in

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<v Speaker 1>Amapa was its proximity to the Amazon River. Here's Corey again.

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<v Speaker 9>You're at the most of the Amazon. You don't have

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<v Speaker 9>all this Matro grossove bis to deal with with with

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<v Speaker 9>with getting stuff to market, so to speak. You're at,

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<v Speaker 9>You're at, You're already the market, so do speak now.

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<v Speaker 1>Vaz and Franz are trying to expand agriculture along the

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon River. They began by building a private terminal there

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<v Speaker 1>to handle and store grains arriving from the mid northern

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<v Speaker 1>region of Mato Grosso. The idea is to transform these

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<v Speaker 1>grains into other products like feed meal and refined corn oil,

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<v Speaker 1>and then export them to Europe, the Gulf of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean, and the Guyanas. Their company, called Cianport Combania

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<v Speaker 1>Norte de NAVAGASAUI Porthos, anticipates a handling capacity of two

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<v Speaker 1>million tons of grain per year, storage for ninety thousand tons,

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<v Speaker 1>and a loading and unloading capacity of two thousand tons

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<v Speaker 1>per hour. Since twenty sixteen, Cianport has been operating grain

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<v Speaker 1>transport at the Port of Santana across from the island,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were focused on the other bank of the

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon River.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 1>Vaz and Franz's third business partner in the port, a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Claudio Jose Zancanado, or ze Gannadio, as the

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<v Speaker 1>locals call him, had transformed a modest brick house into

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<v Speaker 1>a port for international exports.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard of someone named Claudi Jose Zancanado.

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<v Speaker 7>Never. I've never heard my father mention him. My father

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<v Speaker 7>was an influential man here. I've never heard of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Maria Oswaldina Perea do Santos tells us to call her val.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sixty two years old. She was born in Masagao,

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby town, but was raised on Santana Island since

0:25:46.882 --> 0:25:49.402
<v Speaker 1>she was a baby. She's one of the longest time

0:25:49.522 --> 0:25:55.121
<v Speaker 1>residents here and had never met anyone named Claudio Jose Zancanado. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in August twenty twelve, Zanganado sent a document to the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Heritage Superintendents stating that he'd been living in a

0:26:03.802 --> 0:26:07.242
<v Speaker 1>house on the island since January of that year. It

0:26:07.361 --> 0:26:10.602
<v Speaker 1>stood on a twenty hector plot facing the Amazon River.

0:26:12.042 --> 0:26:15.082
<v Speaker 1>Built of brick and wood. The photos of the interior

0:26:15.121 --> 0:26:17.962
<v Speaker 1>of the house attached to the case file show a

0:26:18.081 --> 0:26:21.561
<v Speaker 1>simple place with pots and glasses and plastic containers in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, clothes and cosmetics in the bathroom, a place

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<v Speaker 1>just like anyone else's house. In that document, Zanganado asked

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<v Speaker 1>for a land occupation registration, in other words, a record

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<v Speaker 1>stating that he had the right to use this piece

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<v Speaker 1>of land. It could not be a property deed since

0:26:39.802 --> 0:26:41.321
<v Speaker 1>it was federal land.

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<v Speaker 7>Doctor Moysis was the veterinarian we had here on the island.

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<v Speaker 7>He lived down there where the port operated by Sandport

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<v Speaker 7>is located.

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<v Speaker 1>Val explained that the house Zanganado said he lived in

0:26:55.722 --> 0:26:58.962
<v Speaker 1>actually belonged to a doctor Moyses, who had died a

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<v Speaker 1>few years earlier. Moyses was the town vet. Zanganado had

0:27:03.121 --> 0:27:06.162
<v Speaker 1>bought the house from him, and Val says she never

0:27:06.282 --> 0:27:09.522
<v Speaker 1>heard of him living there, but in September twenty thirteen,

0:27:10.121 --> 0:27:14.402
<v Speaker 1>the government granted the certificate of occupancy. The very next month,

0:27:14.601 --> 0:27:18.402
<v Speaker 1>he requested a transfer of ownership of the area to Cianport,

0:27:19.242 --> 0:27:23.722
<v Speaker 1>his and Miguel Vaz's company that transports green from Manto Grosso.

0:27:24.202 --> 0:27:28.402
<v Speaker 2>It sits What are you guys going to do here?

0:27:28.882 --> 0:27:32.442
<v Speaker 6>We're going to build a port, little ship, soybean's soybean

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<v Speaker 6>mail all kinds of stuff all over the world, mainly

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<v Speaker 6>to China. This belongs to Zaike Canario, a guy from Goyash.

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<v Speaker 2>This is private when you will need to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>in about five years.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a local resident who didn't want to be

0:27:47.962 --> 0:27:51.402
<v Speaker 1>identified for fear of retribution. He told us more about

0:27:51.402 --> 0:27:55.802
<v Speaker 1>the construction of Cianport's port. The transfer of ownership from

0:27:56.081 --> 0:28:00.002
<v Speaker 1>Zanganado or Zaei Gannadio, as the locals here call him,

0:28:00.361 --> 0:28:05.042
<v Speaker 1>to the company's Cianport was authorized in January twenty fourteen,

0:28:10.361 --> 0:28:14.322
<v Speaker 1>so with just a few signatures and some bureaucratic formalities,

0:28:14.601 --> 0:28:17.002
<v Speaker 1>an area of the Amazon that had served solely as

0:28:17.042 --> 0:28:21.841
<v Speaker 1>a home for artisanal fishermen was transformed overnight into a

0:28:21.922 --> 0:28:25.962
<v Speaker 1>site that would host a massive grain warehouse for international export.

0:28:27.121 --> 0:28:29.962
<v Speaker 1>Where there used to be a small family home surrounded

0:28:30.002 --> 0:28:34.161
<v Speaker 1>by fruit trees, Today there is extensive deforestation and the

0:28:34.242 --> 0:28:40.202
<v Speaker 1>start of construction on warehouses, silos, conveyor belts, and other megastructures.

0:28:41.162 --> 0:28:44.482
<v Speaker 1>It's capable of loading and unloading two thousand tons of

0:28:44.602 --> 0:28:48.082
<v Speaker 1>grain per hour. Local residents were never consulted about this

0:28:48.242 --> 0:28:56.242
<v Speaker 1>drastic change to their community. Here's val again, dadj Namo

0:28:56.402 --> 0:28:57.602
<v Speaker 1>is no siko.

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<v Speaker 7>They did nothing. Nobody knew. We found out from a

0:29:04.362 --> 0:29:07.402
<v Speaker 7>man who worked at the government office. He left here

0:29:07.962 --> 0:29:11.122
<v Speaker 7>and he since passed away. He saw this project on

0:29:11.242 --> 0:29:14.242
<v Speaker 7>paper there, so he brought it here to tell the people.

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<v Speaker 7>No one believed it because they had to see it

0:29:17.042 --> 0:29:20.842
<v Speaker 7>on paper. They said it wasn't going to happen. Oh,

0:29:21.362 --> 0:29:23.681
<v Speaker 7>there it is right in front of us. There are

0:29:23.722 --> 0:29:27.682
<v Speaker 7>ships passing by every day picking up soybeans. It stinks

0:29:27.802 --> 0:29:31.842
<v Speaker 7>like chicken poop, really stinky. It's the soybean dust that

0:29:31.962 --> 0:29:36.562
<v Speaker 7>the wind blows over here. Look, I don't think this

0:29:36.722 --> 0:29:41.802
<v Speaker 7>future is very promising because they're destroying everything. The forests are,

0:29:41.882 --> 0:29:46.522
<v Speaker 7>woodlands are ancient trees. I'm afraid if they keep destroying

0:29:46.602 --> 0:29:48.882
<v Speaker 7>all this, it's going to get really hot.

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<v Speaker 1>March Almapa's environmental prosecutor says that port issues have become

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<v Speaker 1>common in nearby Alma.

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<v Speaker 6>Ba Amapa is a port of entry for ships that

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<v Speaker 6>generally transport grain and all. They stop at the local port,

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<v Speaker 6>and we already know there are impacts.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, for Santana. This is a new and rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>increasing problem the.

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<v Speaker 6>United on Santana Island. I don't think they even really land.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the magnitude of the impact. Santana Island has been

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<v Speaker 6>inhabited since the eighteenth century. It was a long standing

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<v Speaker 6>set in that but it's an impoverished coe.

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<v Speaker 1>Santana Island has no sewage system, water for drinking, cooking,

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<v Speaker 1>and bathing comes from untreated wells, and public garbage collection

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<v Speaker 1>is inadequate. Prosecutor Moreta warns of the effects of real

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<v Speaker 1>estate speculation that comes hand in hand with these mega developments,

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<v Speaker 1>more environmental devastation, a higher cost of living, and greater

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<v Speaker 1>precariousness for already impoverished populations.

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<v Speaker 2>Magazine we back for the market.

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<v Speaker 6>It's great. This invisible impact, which will never be measured

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<v Speaker 6>in any public hearing or licensing process, is what truly

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<v Speaker 6>affects the Amazon we know today, and soon it won't

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<v Speaker 6>really exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey's warnings to Bruce were right. It's hard for foreigners

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<v Speaker 1>to do business in the Amazon because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>protections in place for land rights and the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>There.

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<v Speaker 1>For good reason, Indigenous people have fought hard for rights

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<v Speaker 1>to their ancestral lands and the ecosystem there is critical

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<v Speaker 1>to the well being of Brazil and the entire planet.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite some obstacles, Bruce and his partners managed to

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<v Speaker 1>grow rapidly in the Amazon, first by building a large

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<v Speaker 1>farm and now by constructing a major private port, all

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<v Speaker 1>of this in less than a decade thanks to the

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<v Speaker 1>slow enforcement and fines for environmental violations committed by major

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<v Speaker 1>agribusiness executives. As a result, the communities protecting the Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sejado are being steamrolled by developers. Bruce's development

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<v Speaker 1>plans Intentzania may have failed, as you heard about in

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<v Speaker 1>episode two, but in Amapa he having better luck. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you think that this cruise ambitions end with a

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<v Speaker 1>megaport for international experts in the Amazon and grain plantations

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<v Speaker 1>there too, you can raise your expectations. The Amazon is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the world's largest carbon sinks, naturally storing billions

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<v Speaker 1>of tons of carbon, but FS wants to industrialize the process.

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<v Speaker 1>We found documents showing that FS is attempting to change

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<v Speaker 1>Brazilian laws to make carbon capture projects in the Amazon feasible.

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<v Speaker 1>They want it to be treated as a regulatory priority

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<v Speaker 1>for the country and they have direct access to the

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<v Speaker 1>government to make their case. That's our story next time.

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<v Speaker 1>We reached out to Bruce Rastetter, Harold Ham, the Frownz Brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel vas Ribero, and all Summit companies and Brazilian government

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<v Speaker 1>agencies mentioned in this season for US and have incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>any responses we received throughout the season.

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