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Speaker 1: the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also
Speaker 1: be your host into the world of hunting the icon
Speaker 1: of North America can Wilderness Bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation,
Speaker 1: but will also bring you into some of the wildest
Speaker 1: country on the planet Chasing Bear. We're in British Columbia, Canada,
Speaker 1: Canada at Pacific Bear Outfitters Bear Camp. I've got Devin Jewell,
Speaker 1: owner of Pacific Bear Outfitters, to my right. We've got
Speaker 1: a campfire to my left burning famous Canadian softwood. It's
Speaker 1: raining on the tarp above us and We've got a bear,
Speaker 1: two bears dryant in the periphery of the camp. Now
Speaker 1: I've got Daniel Roupe, the outlaw preacher, directly in front
Speaker 1: of me. We're drinking camp coffee. We've been sending a
Speaker 1: text messages to our families via the garment En Reach
Speaker 1: this afternoon. We've garment en Reach should sponsor us. And
Speaker 1: we're waiting on the camp. The soul of the camp
Speaker 1: Dave to return. Uh, the camp cook is gone. Who
Speaker 1: took the bear meat back to about seven hours away,
Speaker 1: back to get the some of the bear meat taken
Speaker 1: care of. And so we are here. Daniel killed a
Speaker 1: bear on the second day the Embartish climb. I killed
Speaker 1: a bear on the third day. Um, And Devin Jewel
Speaker 1: is Devon is not killed. He's the only one who
Speaker 1: don't killed, you know. So Devin is a Devon, is
Speaker 1: a veteran northern big game hunter. He's guided how many
Speaker 1: years have you guided in between? Like sixteen years? Okay,
Speaker 1: sixteen years. So you've got it in Norton, British Columbia.
Speaker 1: You've got it in the in the Northwest territories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those two places and here and well this is brettuceh Cluvia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've got it in Bruce Cluvia the Northwest territories.
Speaker 1: And what species have you guided for? Black barriers, bear wolf, wolveren, moose, caribou, stone,
Speaker 1: cheap mount and goat. That's pretty much it. Oh yeah, sugar, Okay. So,
Speaker 1: so devon as experience a lot of what I mean,
Speaker 1: kind of the pinnacles of big game hunting. You know,
Speaker 1: So Daniel and I are from the South, and like
Speaker 1: typically people from the South are gonna be white tail
Speaker 1: hunters number one, They're gonna be turkey hunters number two.
Speaker 1: And we're making that We're we're making some good bear
Speaker 1: hunters coming out of the southeast days too. But but
Speaker 1: so like hunting these kind of what are like exotic
Speaker 1: northern animals to us is pretty cool. And there's lots
Speaker 1: of guys that are drawn tags and are going on
Speaker 1: guided hunts for these big animals. But Bruce, Columbia is
Speaker 1: a pretty dern unique place. And so what what species?
Speaker 1: What is British Columbia known for everything? What do we got?
Speaker 1: We got tall sheep, Northwest, corner stone sheep, north mountain goat,
Speaker 1: the bulk of the north America's mountain goat populations in
Speaker 1: Bridge gonna be a sixty thousand of them. Uh, let
Speaker 1: me stop, you're right there. So the bulk of North
Speaker 1: America's mountain goats are in British Columbia. So the Raine. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've been learned about mountain gooat. We saw a
Speaker 1: mountain goat yesterday in British Columbia. And so these goats
Speaker 1: are living in really specific habitat where basically where extremely rocky,
Speaker 1: rough terrain that they can navigate and where they can
Speaker 1: escape predators. Wherever that type of habitat is, that's where
Speaker 1: they live. They don't want to be in the woods,
Speaker 1: they don't want to be in these alpine pastures like,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be They're only gonna be within escape
Speaker 1: reach of big cliffs because so they can't outrun anything,
Speaker 1: like we're pretty sure the outlaw preacher he could run
Speaker 1: down a mountain go down, and that's pretty cool. But
Speaker 1: they can out climb anything, so they can they can
Speaker 1: just scale these cliffs that just are unfathomable. So sixt
Speaker 1: So the Coast Mountain Range runs through British Columbia from
Speaker 1: the north to the south or south to north. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you have like the rocky mountains were on
Speaker 1: south and north the entire province, that's more on the
Speaker 1: western side of the eastern side of the province run
Speaker 1: the entire distance. So so British Columbia is partially unique
Speaker 1: because as two significant mountain range running the entire length
Speaker 1: of the province. Okay, now see the Coast Mountains. Man,
Speaker 1: people that name this place really understood geography. They're close
Speaker 1: to the coast. So the Coast Mountains are close to
Speaker 1: the coast. The coast mountains are going to go from
Speaker 1: like sea level it's about nine thousand ish feet. And
Speaker 1: so we described in depth and the other episodes about
Speaker 1: how I mean just everywhere we're looking at these big, huge,
Speaker 1: snow covered mountains. We are down lower in the like
Speaker 1: denser what looks just like sick Northwest rainforest type areas
Speaker 1: with moss, huge trees, lots of logging, lots of logging roads,
Speaker 1: lots of cut box and but we're looking up into
Speaker 1: this like these big mountains, and a lot of these
Speaker 1: mountains have these big rocky shelves at the top. A
Speaker 1: lot of these mountains have big glaciers at the top,
Speaker 1: and that's where these mountain goes live. And as a
Speaker 1: BC resident, like, how can you hunt a mountain goat? Well,
Speaker 1: some areas are a lottery and some are just hoping,
Speaker 1: but you're allowed one to hear you'd like over the counter.
Speaker 1: So over the as a resident lyc you can go
Speaker 1: by a tag that you're gonna have a decent chance
Speaker 1: to actually kill the mountain and go, oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: get one every year as long as your climber, as
Speaker 1: long as you're a climber. So the challenge in hunting
Speaker 1: them is just it's not hard to find them, really know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta get to where they live. But
Speaker 1: that's climbing is important for sure. But yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: hard to spot. There's good populations of them. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So the challenge is what when you're hunting the mountain
Speaker 1: go just hiking for that's most people, And well what
Speaker 1: about finding a goat that you can shoot that you
Speaker 1: can also retrieve. Yeah, you're gonna you might have to
Speaker 1: look at a few, but I mean for the most
Speaker 1: Briberian area with a good population, you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: number of goats and then really just getting to them
Speaker 1: game into a shooting position. Yeah, what was it the
Speaker 1: other day when we're up on that ridge and you said,
Speaker 1: sometimes if you shoot a goat or a ridge like this,
Speaker 1: it'll just launch launch out. Yeah, when you're like if
Speaker 1: they if you hit them, they have a tendency and
Speaker 1: just they had for that scary terrain and they die
Speaker 1: halfway there and m hm, we'll really go meet at
Speaker 1: the bottom. You also told us that for those of
Speaker 1: us who are not residents of a province or state
Speaker 1: where mountain goat hunting is something that we have access to.
Speaker 1: In terms of guided hunts, a mountain goat hunt is
Speaker 1: one of the cheaper of the the mountain game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you could you could get into a mountain goat
Speaker 1: hunt for eight to ten grand I think eight to
Speaker 1: twelve for sure. I think a leven would be a
Speaker 1: fairly common price nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, just for
Speaker 1: clarity to specific Bear outfitters guides for Black Bear and
Speaker 1: Mountain Lion, Devon is not guiding for the Big Mountain Game.
Speaker 1: Devon is is working for some other outfitters doing that
Speaker 1: just for clarity. But so, but you get to experience
Speaker 1: tell me what she told me, like, you get to
Speaker 1: experience all the same things that like a doll sheep
Speaker 1: or stone similar hunting like a sheep hunt, but more
Speaker 1: it'll have a higher success rate. And but you're doing
Speaker 1: the same the same concepts, the same you know, high
Speaker 1: mountain trekking and all that stuff that she hunting is
Speaker 1: well known for. But a much more available hunt for sure,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a higher success rate because they're
Speaker 1: just a more stationary animal, right and personally, I just
Speaker 1: like the way mountain goats look. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they're spectacular animal. I think if a if a if
Speaker 1: if sheep didn't have the kind of the reputation, the
Speaker 1: the icon read that they have, that they would that
Speaker 1: a go Like if you were just to take someone
Speaker 1: that didn't know anything and you put a mountain goat
Speaker 1: and a sheep side by side, I think a fair
Speaker 1: percentage of people would say I would pick the mountain
Speaker 1: goat as a beautiful, majestic, awesome animal. But they like
Speaker 1: to hunt, so I mean that that. But the sheep
Speaker 1: kind of because of their scarcity and because they do
Speaker 1: have majestic antlers, no doubt, and they live majestic places,
Speaker 1: there are spectator anial But I mean the mountain goats
Speaker 1: kind of the same way, but a mountain goat and
Speaker 1: nearly expensive, and it's a very similar experience overall. But
Speaker 1: Dan Roupe has just chokes the fire and so you're
Speaker 1: here lots of popping and crackling. So so that's that's
Speaker 1: mountain goat. Let's see, I didn't realize that British Columbia
Speaker 1: had the boast mountain goats of any province or state.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. So what other what other big game
Speaker 1: opportunities do you have here in British Columbia, Like personally
Speaker 1: that you you're gonna go hunt mountain, Caribous, Rocky mountainw Croosevelt, elk,
Speaker 1: Canada moose, uh, whitetail, deer, mule deer, blacktail deer. Then
Speaker 1: of course you have Rocky Mountain, Bighorn, California, big horn,
Speaker 1: uh black bear, mountain lions, wolf, wolverine, links of Bobcat available. Wow,
Speaker 1: how many of the twenty nine big game animals are
Speaker 1: in British Columbia? Do you have any idea all those
Speaker 1: funs I just said, I just wondered if there was, like, well,
Speaker 1: they're fifteen of twenty nine big game animals. I guess
Speaker 1: all the all the super ten would be here though, bear, caribou, moose, deer, bison, bison.
Speaker 1: We have bison, bison. I forgot bison hire. So I
Speaker 1: mean this is like the tremendous province and you can
Speaker 1: get almost all those tags over the counter. As a
Speaker 1: BC resident. You told me that there are hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty thousand resident Bruce Clary thirty thousand residents hunters. And
Speaker 1: to see in an area that's I don't know what
Speaker 1: you compare it to down there. Not quite as big
Speaker 1: as Texas, but it's huge. It's almost as big as Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and but of those guys, there's not like
Speaker 1: in the States, it's pretty common for there to be
Speaker 1: like there's more big game hunters than that would be
Speaker 1: in Canada. Am I correct? Well, you know, like the
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania's a million hunters, so I mean that
Speaker 1: one state test more hunters in all First Columbia, right,
Speaker 1: But I guess just serious hunters. I mean there's not
Speaker 1: as many, so you're not gonna see like super avid guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you gauge that though in a population,
Speaker 1: but I mean, right, I guess days spent, So how
Speaker 1: many of that hundred. How many would spend more than
Speaker 1: fourteen days hunting a season that would maybe be a
Speaker 1: way to gage it. And then after that, how many
Speaker 1: would spend more than thirty days? Yeah? So so all right,
Speaker 1: Devn just slapped the law preacher I have, so I
Speaker 1: think give them away. Talk to us about tell us about. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question about your moose. So,
Speaker 1: Devin killed very large moose last year in northern BC,
Speaker 1: now northwestern BC. Okay. So so there are let me see,
Speaker 1: three subspecies of moose because it is the Eastern Canada.
Speaker 1: In Western Canada, well, the shower smooth is anything in
Speaker 1: the United States, Canada moose and Yukon moose. Well for
Speaker 1: the North American Super Slam. Yeah yeah, yeah, So for
Speaker 1: the North American Super Slam. So talking about North America,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be three species of moose shower smooth, Canada moose,
Speaker 1: Yukon moose. Yukon moose is the big daddy of the moose.
Speaker 1: Big Daddy and Yukon moose are gonna be in Alaska,
Speaker 1: Yukon and Northwest territories okay, half of the Northwest Territoris. Okay.
Speaker 1: The Canada moose is gonna be is gonna stretch every
Speaker 1: other single place, every other single place other than the
Speaker 1: United States. They're gonna be Cannadas. And typically Canada moose
Speaker 1: would be much smaller, I mean, especially like in eastern Canada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you remember too that like a province like DC
Speaker 1: is three thousand klarmers long. So a moose from the
Speaker 1: northern part of BC is a lot bigger than moose
Speaker 1: from the southern beast part of BC. Right, But if
Speaker 1: you want a big Canada moose, it makes sense to
Speaker 1: hunt where they get the biggest, which is in the
Speaker 1: northern part of the provinces. And when you say biggest,
Speaker 1: are we talking like Bergman's law biggest Bergman's laws. The
Speaker 1: further north, the further that you get away from the equator,
Speaker 1: the larger that mammals get to retain heat. So like
Speaker 1: a white tail deer that's in Florida is super small,
Speaker 1: like the keys deer white tail deer and Saskatchewan or
Speaker 1: Manitoba it's much larger, same species. They could interbreed, but
Speaker 1: they've developed a smaller body size to be advantageous to
Speaker 1: release heat but also to retain heat. What we canna
Speaker 1: say down what you're talking about moose, and like, so,
Speaker 1: Yukon moose are the biggest, we say the biggest. You're
Speaker 1: just being a deer hunter Arkansas knowing nothing about mose
Speaker 1: other than they look huge. That big means wi of antlers,
Speaker 1: body and body and as so when Yukon moose is like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the granddaddy of the three types in the North
Speaker 1: American world. How much like double double the stuff. So
Speaker 1: if you kill the moose in Utah versus a moose
Speaker 1: in Alaska, you're talking about almost two completely different animals.
Speaker 1: Just the look similar, but the size would not be similar.
Speaker 1: So the horns are literally twice as large they could be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a gradient scale. I mean it would
Speaker 1: use body sizes, like the body size would be double
Speaker 1: the but it would be wider, deeper, taller, just a
Speaker 1: bigger animal. And then yes, the antlers could be in
Speaker 1: in a big old bull moose pounds, Yeah, probably, like
Speaker 1: they could be up into that neighborhood for sure, where
Speaker 1: it's like even in Southern BC. I bet you if
Speaker 1: you killed a thousand pound moose that's about its bigges,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be o Southern BC more like Utah yeah, like, well,
Speaker 1: of course, if you kill a moose in the Rocky
Speaker 1: Mountains five miles north of the USA Canada border, you're
Speaker 1: hunting pretty much the Shire's moose, right, Whereas if you
Speaker 1: hunt one five miles south of Alaska yukon boarder, so
Speaker 1: you're still in BC. These are man made lines that
Speaker 1: are imperfect, yep, imperfect. Then they're imperfect. So yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you say? It is correct? So it's the same species,
Speaker 1: but they're just different. And you know, a few years
Speaker 1: ago there was a world record Shier's moose killed in
Speaker 1: Odaho and it was a monster. It was monster. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like, I don't I've seen it. I
Speaker 1: actually saw that mose, Like, yeah, at we're gonna see
Speaker 1: it bass Pro at bass Pro in Springfield when the
Speaker 1: Boone and Crock had had their big game bank with
Speaker 1: their two years ago, that world record shiers moose was there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it was probably in the sixties,
Speaker 1: maybe even seventy, I can't remember. It's huge. So there's
Speaker 1: exceptions anywhere you go. In general, they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: Canada moose is the mid grade move which they they
Speaker 1: gauge when people are talking about moose. They gauge moose
Speaker 1: based upon the widest width between antlers, So like you
Speaker 1: would say, that's a fifty inch moose, And that would
Speaker 1: mean if you just took a tape measure and just
Speaker 1: measured to the widest point on the left that side,
Speaker 1: to the widest point of that side, that mose um
Speaker 1: so seventy inch Yukon moose would be like world class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything in the sixties and worldwide, no doubt. So sixty
Speaker 1: if you went to the Yukon and kill the or
Speaker 1: wherever you're you're at the top of the heat. But
Speaker 1: in Canada, butch of Canada guys are shooting probably forty
Speaker 1: in moose and being pretty happy with it. So the
Speaker 1: Devon's moose was a Canada moose. Granted it was at
Speaker 1: the the Yukon border, just below the Yukon with and
Speaker 1: so just tell us kind of give us a little
Speaker 1: bit about that hunt. Semper with your wife and we
Speaker 1: flew a group of us flew into a lake where
Speaker 1: we hunted several times. We handed during the rout for
Speaker 1: two weeks, and I think day four or five and
Speaker 1: my wife called in a very big moose and shot
Speaker 1: him sixty four and a half inch, so very big.
Speaker 1: So you So how many people were in the hunt
Speaker 1: with you? Uh? Five? And so y'all are all at
Speaker 1: the same camp, same camp, same lake, but we'd split
Speaker 1: up with one day with you? Yeah old day? Who
Speaker 1: would take care of camp? Did you just stay at
Speaker 1: camp and hunt? And didn't? He? Hell? Yeah, usually shoots
Speaker 1: the one that comes to camp, I'll be done, which
Speaker 1: is like pretty not a certainty, but it usually happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: playing the camp card, hang out a game, and shoot.
Speaker 1: Some comes to camp. I could totally see him doing.
Speaker 1: So Dave, Dave is the camp cook and kind of
Speaker 1: like the Devin. Devon and Dave were like inseparable sidekicks
Speaker 1: like Batman and Robin. And we've decided that we like
Speaker 1: Dave like much better than Devon. Sense he's nicer. He's
Speaker 1: way nicer than Devon was going to shoot. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're right out from under. So I was gonna
Speaker 1: dig into the details just hunt. So, so there's five
Speaker 1: people in camp, So Dave's in camp, two people are
Speaker 1: you and your wife Ashley, and then there's two other
Speaker 1: people that are just your friends. We're just gonna leave
Speaker 1: them nameless. Smart Okay. So they go off somewhere to hunt.
Speaker 1: Everybody kind of splits up, kind of goes to the
Speaker 1: other side of the mountain or something. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: lake is like I bick the blaky probably it's probably
Speaker 1: like ten miles long, right, So yeah, we got canoe,
Speaker 1: so you can like, could you I did a different year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they've been we leave them there. We leave them there.
Speaker 1: There was time up and trees, so bears can't get them.
Speaker 1: I'll be darn. And then uh so then when you
Speaker 1: get there there, so yeah, that like you split up,
Speaker 1: go to one end of the lake, either end of
Speaker 1: the lake or whatever. Right, lots of space. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna run into each other again. Wow, And so you
Speaker 1: had actually we're hunting together, you've been you canoed out
Speaker 1: that day. I think we just walked the edge of
Speaker 1: the lake that day, because I don't remember why. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's what we did though. So we just
Speaker 1: walked down into an area we knew, like a meadowy area,
Speaker 1: and then it had been raining, so a quit raining
Speaker 1: and we just kind of stretched out in the sun
Speaker 1: to dry out and fall a bit on the edge
Speaker 1: of this Are you using a moose call? I mean
Speaker 1: it just my hands, so you just cutting your hands.
Speaker 1: And so when these when these eyes are moose hunting,
Speaker 1: when these guys are moose hunting, there there a lot
Speaker 1: of them. Use a like a horn, like a birch
Speaker 1: bark horror or yeah, like a like a polly horn
Speaker 1: that like it's like a funnel. It's like a gas funnel,
Speaker 1: and it it amplifies the sound because you're calling moose
Speaker 1: that could potentially be miles away forever. The reason moose's
Speaker 1: horns are shaped the way they are, it's a funnel sound.
Speaker 1: End of the year. Those are like an antenna dish.
Speaker 1: I have no idea there. There's such a low density
Speaker 1: animal that the way they communicate has to be very
Speaker 1: long distance communication. And so I saw I've seen a
Speaker 1: graph one time that showed the way that sound any
Speaker 1: place on the palm of that antler right to reverberates
Speaker 1: to like the exact same spot. You know those like
Speaker 1: military radar pills. Yeah, what does that look like the
Speaker 1: same So, like the geometry of the shape of their
Speaker 1: horn like reflects sounding it. So so they can hear
Speaker 1: exceptionally well. And so you when you call moose, you
Speaker 1: get into a favorable location where you could hear long
Speaker 1: ways where you think, moose are you call and the
Speaker 1: moose you're calling may not answer you even that day
Speaker 1: so far away, or you may not even answer you
Speaker 1: the next day, and I mean, like the third day
Speaker 1: he might show up. So you've been calling and he's
Speaker 1: been coming the whole time. Possible potentially that'd be pretty far,
Speaker 1: but stretching the tree in the mountains where we hunt
Speaker 1: would be the mooses will have beds way up right
Speaker 1: below tree line, like in the valley. So if you're
Speaker 1: at the late calling, they're sitting up on the mountain
Speaker 1: and then they're right because you're below and they can
Speaker 1: hear really good, and then they're up on the mountain
Speaker 1: and that could easily be a mile like or a
Speaker 1: couple of miles, like no problem. Yeah wow, And so
Speaker 1: so you give us a give us a female moose
Speaker 1: calls ship. Yeah, what's your sound? Yeah, I'll try you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to contain myself, okay, wow. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: really nasally kind of just like you know, some animals
Speaker 1: you can make it loud or what's really cool, you know,
Speaker 1: some animals have this like majestic sound like an elk,
Speaker 1: like an elk bugle, it's like a majestic sound just
Speaker 1: like loud, and a moose is like not that way.
Speaker 1: So a bull moose would make a sound like what
Speaker 1: like so let's say you do that, you know you do?
Speaker 1: The female in the response would be but that's just
Speaker 1: their vocal noise. They would make way more noises than that,
Speaker 1: like banging the amilis like the front of the anilers
Speaker 1: swinging it into a tree just like just no, just
Speaker 1: a clunk, that would be one, just one noise they'd make,
Speaker 1: or they'd break trees with their hands like wow. So
Speaker 1: those would be like the three main noises they would make.
Speaker 1: So you would hear that. They call it grunt. They
Speaker 1: call it bull grunt. And how far would you said,
Speaker 1: you can hear a bull if if it's still in calm,
Speaker 1: like no, if it's windy, but if it's still in
Speaker 1: calm and you know that like clear cold, and they're
Speaker 1: coming from a ways off down the mountain value where
Speaker 1: you can do and then just keep like coment for
Speaker 1: like like it took like an hour for that bull
Speaker 1: to get to us easily. Yeah, so it just keeps coming.
Speaker 1: To imagine louder and louder as it comes, and that
Speaker 1: is it's like super excited. I have been on a
Speaker 1: moose hunt one time for four days in Alaska before
Speaker 1: I killed the brown bear, and we we never even
Speaker 1: really worked well, we we worked one moose like works,
Speaker 1: meaning we cal called, the bull responded and we were like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen just one time. It didn't happen.
Speaker 1: He answered us back like a close fairly close range.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you this, but like on the third
Speaker 1: or fourth day we cal called and one and I
Speaker 1: mean we just were like, it's on a man, there
Speaker 1: is no it's something exciting about calling, and you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred pound animals like turkey hunting, you turkey hunted,
Speaker 1: damn call here they come. So this is like calling
Speaker 1: in and so another you know. And then he's saying
Speaker 1: that they communicated a lot with sounding antlers. So when
Speaker 1: callers are calling, they also whack trees and playing on
Speaker 1: stuff to replicate the sound of another bull. With this
Speaker 1: female catch you turn trick like if you not competition,
Speaker 1: if that's the dominant ball in he here's some other
Speaker 1: guy with his cow. H are you in with my cow?
Speaker 1: Right now? So so you'd walked from camp? Was it
Speaker 1: morning time? Was it evening time? Was afternoon that time?
Speaker 1: So had you left camp that morning and like not
Speaker 1: come back or had you've been at camp. I think
Speaker 1: we'd left in the morning, just hadn't come back yet.
Speaker 1: We've been here all day, like at the end of
Speaker 1: the lake. From camp, it's probably like an hour at
Speaker 1: least just walking the shore of the lake. So it's
Speaker 1: a fair peace. Yeah, you're at the end of the light.
Speaker 1: And so you called and then did the bull respond immediately? No?
Speaker 1: I probably we probably called for I'm gonna say, like
Speaker 1: a half an hour to an hour, don't remember exactly,
Speaker 1: but then when he did, like I for sure heard
Speaker 1: him at that point, like multiple runts. But then it
Speaker 1: was just like steady coming for like another like hour
Speaker 1: or even a little longer in it, and you were
Speaker 1: and you and actually were just like both set up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well to a degree. You can tell you the long
Speaker 1: way to way, so it's not like a rush. That's
Speaker 1: what time, hundred and fifty yards in that meadow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's just he's just slowly coming. Did you continue
Speaker 1: to call a bit but not crazy? Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: he's coming, you don't want to give up more information
Speaker 1: than you need to write. Like if if I heard
Speaker 1: him come up and like, well, would he would like
Speaker 1: stop and pause like like he was listening, then I
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, I think he's waiting for me
Speaker 1: to tell him I'm still here, So I'd like give
Speaker 1: like one like a short call, just like I'm still here.
Speaker 1: And then it's like you can hear him pick up
Speaker 1: again and keep coming. Wow wow crazy. So but you
Speaker 1: don't know how big this moose is, Like, no, you
Speaker 1: can't tell by the two. Yeah, you can't tell by
Speaker 1: the grant really if it's like a fifty inch bowl
Speaker 1: or a thirty inch bowl or a small bull. But
Speaker 1: he's just coming. So you guys are pretty often here
Speaker 1: big antlers, you know. Yeah, if you hear stuff like yeah,
Speaker 1: like that clunking thing, only big bulls do that, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like big raking right, Dan, we're gotta get moose huthing.
Speaker 1: I love to you and me. Okay, So that was
Speaker 1: in the crow call don't crow call? Yeah? So so
Speaker 1: the bulls coming and at what point do you like
Speaker 1: know this is a done deal Because in almost all
Speaker 1: types of hunting, there's a moment when you're he I
Speaker 1: knew he was coming like that seemed very honest, but
Speaker 1: you still don't know. And so he was he could
Speaker 1: hang up out there just out of side, you could.
Speaker 1: I didn't get that impression there from this guy's like action.
Speaker 1: He was just coming. He's coming. Yeah. And then but
Speaker 1: you don't know how big it is until it's there.
Speaker 1: So until he's in that hundred fifty yard open window,
Speaker 1: you don't actually know it because we're not gonna shoot
Speaker 1: any but like a larger mail what was the self now,
Speaker 1: so there's no antler restriction, not area, no, so you
Speaker 1: could have shot any kind of male moose, anything with
Speaker 1: anlies yeah. So but so what what was your internal governor? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: we're looking for like my chair bowls, right, because that
Speaker 1: it could have been like at moves. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about what personally, so things I would
Speaker 1: be looking forward, like big front, So like I don't
Speaker 1: want like a crab pincher what we call crab cloths
Speaker 1: on the front. That's a two point on the front
Speaker 1: where the paddle behind I want, Well, I got four
Speaker 1: like a palms in the front, and then I wanted
Speaker 1: like a long paddle with lots of points. So if
Speaker 1: it was like it could be fifty inches wide and
Speaker 1: now five ft long caddles, that would be like an
Speaker 1: who cares how why it is? Yeah? I got yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1: But this one just happened to be wide and long
Speaker 1: and have big fronts and like every single thing you
Speaker 1: could do. What is it like? Did he stepped out
Speaker 1: of a clearing or so there's like a pine like
Speaker 1: a timber pine edge on like like a bit of
Speaker 1: a not a ridge, but a bit of a ridge
Speaker 1: kind of. So he had to come down about fifty
Speaker 1: ft so he like come up to those pine trees
Speaker 1: and then down that open like grass ridge kind of
Speaker 1: spot and down into the meadow. So at what point
Speaker 1: did you see him when he came out of those
Speaker 1: pine trees? How far was tift? Was that in range
Speaker 1: for you? Oh? Yeah, easily? Do you have a scope
Speaker 1: on your forty seven? I did this year, yeah, this
Speaker 1: last year. But usually iron actually yeah, usually you're shooting
Speaker 1: iron sights, but you were using a forty pout seventy
Speaker 1: what was actually shooting? Okay, it's totally a girl gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Thurn out six is like the gun
Speaker 1: of North America. Okay, to do it all again, to
Speaker 1: do it all gone of North America. So the bull
Speaker 1: comes out and you at what point do you realize
Speaker 1: this is a whopper? As soon as he came out,
Speaker 1: I seen his antlers. I was like, Yep, that's a shooter.
Speaker 1: I mean there, I mean, did you think it was
Speaker 1: a sixty four in smooths? I wasn't too concerned. I
Speaker 1: just knew it was a shooter. I mean I could
Speaker 1: tell it was bigger than normal by quite as you
Speaker 1: get excited, Yeah, did you what's Devin Jewel looked like
Speaker 1: when he's excited about a moose? Pretty much just Sam's
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Stone face
Speaker 1: couldn't just doesn't give anything away, all legs, no smile.
Speaker 1: But so then he as you like as I wanted
Speaker 1: to wait for him to stop moving because he's like
Speaker 1: walking and like at that point, I'd say he was
Speaker 1: coming for the most part, like had on and their
Speaker 1: antlers like, because when he walks, he's like swinging his
Speaker 1: antlers every time he grunts, right, so they're like back
Speaker 1: and forth. So it's like, you don't really want to
Speaker 1: take that shot. He's yeah, he's coming and he's still
Speaker 1: he's not like, I know you guys are people, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna go get me a later moose. Right.
Speaker 1: So he's just like on his way over. And then
Speaker 1: he there was like two it's not big trees, but
Speaker 1: bigger trees. And because like when as he had gotten closer,
Speaker 1: we had split up to get two different shooting positions.
Speaker 1: So as she was over and I, you know, we're
Speaker 1: spread out. How far apart? Were you? Not far? Just
Speaker 1: to make sure we can cover these two. Like imagine
Speaker 1: this meadow had like two little tails, so we wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure we could shoot each tail depending on
Speaker 1: where he came. So he just came out and as
Speaker 1: he crossed, he came behind one of those bigger trees,
Speaker 1: and I had like as he stopped, I had the
Speaker 1: perfect shot. Not she could see his like hind corners,
Speaker 1: So I just shot him. Weren't taking any chances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So did he drop? Yeah, he just went down, went down.
Speaker 1: Why did you shoot him the point? I just went
Speaker 1: point of shoulder and he was still he was quartering
Speaker 1: two okay, yeah, except he hit int right in the shoulder,
Speaker 1: in the shoulder, Yeah, so he would have been like
Speaker 1: if this was his head like that like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just hold it up and fell down. Man. And
Speaker 1: then it's probably seventy yards at that point. So by
Speaker 1: the time I walked over that he did. Wow. So
Speaker 1: what what grain bullet are you shooting out? That was
Speaker 1: the HSMO green four and thirty grain bullet, probably flying
Speaker 1: feet per second or something, I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's eighteen something like almost nineteen, but I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 1: Give me a not need to compare woods the greens. Well,
Speaker 1: like we're shooting a tutor and twelve grain three and
Speaker 1: wind mag and that's a heavy bullet soon bull, I
Speaker 1: mean that's like that's like chunking a rock at him,
Speaker 1: you know. So so with with rifles, and there's a
Speaker 1: sometimes you want speed because speed kills as well. Like
Speaker 1: the hydro static shock from a really fast bullet is
Speaker 1: gonna be significant. Yeah, but but these big heavy guns
Speaker 1: shooting like this are are big for a big game,
Speaker 1: for a big game. The other day to me, I
Speaker 1: had no idea what you're talking about. Hydrostatic Yeah, so
Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock would be that when and when an animal
Speaker 1: is shot with a bullet, it is not just the
Speaker 1: actual piece of copper and lead going through the vitals
Speaker 1: that kills it like an arrow. Like an arrow, The
Speaker 1: only thing that's killing that animal is there's an arrows
Speaker 1: slicing through, cutting making a hole. But hydrostatic shock is
Speaker 1: that that bullets flying so fast when it slaps something
Speaker 1: with water in it, that water it's pushed out so
Speaker 1: fast that it just like shocks and breaks down the
Speaker 1: electrical system of the animal. Hydrostatic shocks then slap bruising. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the best technical definition of
Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock, but it's an essentially water yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: with a gun you could actually maybe hit and maybe
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the bullet missed the vitals, but potentially
Speaker 1: the hydrostatic shock could could could disrupt their systems so
Speaker 1: much that it's still with that. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you want to get him in the vitals,
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But no, so four and
Speaker 1: thirty grain bulls out of and now you like, you
Speaker 1: like a big caliber and you like shooting iron sights
Speaker 1: a lot just for the heck of it, just kind
Speaker 1: of like just like pretty fun. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Um. And so you walk up to
Speaker 1: this moose. You're not carrying a tape measure with you,
Speaker 1: are you? Please tell me you weren't. Okay, we had
Speaker 1: to wait till we got back to town to measure it. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you knew it was Oh yeah, we knew it
Speaker 1: was big, biggest moose you've ever killed, the biggest one
Speaker 1: I've ever seen killed, even okay, even in your guiding. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So tell me about the rest of the antlers. The
Speaker 1: paddle is exceptional. So the paddle would be from the fronts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a big five ft well, so just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got in the world of moose, it's got everything
Speaker 1: you would ever want. And we have some nice ones
Speaker 1: like fifty eight inch yeah. Yeah, we're big paddles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this one I was like, makes those one look
Speaker 1: like old baby moses. So for reference too, in Alaska,
Speaker 1: Yukon moss biggest moose in the world. The minimum antler
Speaker 1: requirement is typically, well, you're right, for a non residence
Speaker 1: fifty inches. So I'll ask you, guys, and I mean
Speaker 1: that's a monster moose, yeah, or four four on the
Speaker 1: front or fifty inches such? Right, So so anyway, so
Speaker 1: you kill this massive moose and what did you do?
Speaker 1: Did you go did you start skinning it right away?
Speaker 1: Or about the camp and get Dave? No, everybody else
Speaker 1: we assume heard the shots and we just we actually
Speaker 1: let a fire to get rid of the bugs in
Speaker 1: because you never know who else or what else is
Speaker 1: it in that part of the world. So if you
Speaker 1: have a fire, it's obviously going to be So you
Speaker 1: were worried about gris not worried. But it's nice to
Speaker 1: have a fire away work, because you're gonna be there
Speaker 1: for hours, right, Like this is not like a small
Speaker 1: it's not like a deer. This is like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be there for like six hours working, right, So you
Speaker 1: might as will just start a fire, get a fire going.
Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned about Devin Jewel hunting
Speaker 1: with him twice here in British Columbia, the man loves fires,
Speaker 1: and so do I. I I would start a fire like
Speaker 1: every morning when I go to the Global headquarters, like
Speaker 1: out in the front, just to have a fire. But
Speaker 1: you have a wood burning stove. No, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to though in your in your heart you have woods.
Speaker 1: So you start a fire, start a fire, and you
Speaker 1: gotta start working. The first thing we did pictures, pictures, okayture,
Speaker 1: there's like an hour, Yeah you're okay, okay, and then
Speaker 1: uh yeah, start start working for sure. Yeah. And what
Speaker 1: time of the day is it? Yes, it is probably
Speaker 1: like two or three, so what time to getting dark?
Speaker 1: A tish a lot of time. Yeah, we actually got
Speaker 1: it all out of there that day, so we did
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, everybody showed up, they came to you, Wow,
Speaker 1: did you have any way to communicate, like with they
Speaker 1: just heard this shot? And so here they come eventually,
Speaker 1: probably took him like an hour or something. So then
Speaker 1: so did any of the other guys kill moose? They
Speaker 1: had opportunity to kill moose, but they got cariboo and
Speaker 1: grizzly like kind of we all went out and we
Speaker 1: got a caribou and grizzly well, and then wow, we
Speaker 1: had lots of grizzly opportunity really yeah, and then uh
Speaker 1: they almost got wolverine. And then yeah, they could have
Speaker 1: got smaller, smaller moose, but I mean here, hold note,
Speaker 1: if you go all the way there, you kind of
Speaker 1: you don't get you want a big one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you were flown into this play. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: remember if you pull the trigger there, you gotta fly
Speaker 1: all that meat out too. So you don't want to
Speaker 1: just be like we'll shoot three little ones in wonder, right,
Speaker 1: because every time you drop something on the ground, it's
Speaker 1: more more currency to get it out, so cost you
Speaker 1: gotta paid meat. Meat flights cost extra money, right, So wow,
Speaker 1: meat flights, I mean like yeah, so meat flights are
Speaker 1: usually like ha cost but still like a lot money. Yeah. Wow. Man,
Speaker 1: the adventure of that kind of hunt is just almost
Speaker 1: it's just like off the charts. So the opportunity that
Speaker 1: you guys have is BC residents is just it's just crazy,
Speaker 1: it really is. But and all week we've grieved the loss,
Speaker 1: hopefully the temporary loss of the grizzly hunt here in BC.
Speaker 1: On our first day black bear hunting here, we saw
Speaker 1: what we believe was a big male grizz up just
Speaker 1: blow the snow in kind of an avalanche shoot between
Speaker 1: old log day in an avalanche like get the old
Speaker 1: log darea obviously, but it has an avalanche due through it, right,
Speaker 1: So we we saw a big BC grizz And just
Speaker 1: this year political climate of this part of the world
Speaker 1: shifted a bit, and they they without scientific reason, without
Speaker 1: the the the instruction of scientific wildlife management, they chose
Speaker 1: based upon popular emotional opinion to close the grizzly hunt,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a big deal because the reason
Speaker 1: that the North American model for wildlife conservation has been
Speaker 1: the most successful husbandry project of wildlife and the history
Speaker 1: of man time is because we've used scientific wildlife management
Speaker 1: to instruct our decisions about wildlife. And so this is
Speaker 1: totally not that. Yeah, this is just this is just urban.
Speaker 1: This is just urban people that there's more of them
Speaker 1: than there are of us, and they don't understand. They
Speaker 1: didn't understand. I mean, they just don't like the idea
Speaker 1: of grizzly hunting, so they voted it up. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but oh no, we didn't even get to vote. Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't huh no, we didn't even get to vote.
Speaker 1: They just said that's what was happening. And for that reason,
Speaker 1: I guess what I said, the vote it would be
Speaker 1: that there's an elected official that might not have even
Speaker 1: like we're not even sure if it voted, if it
Speaker 1: would have lost even Yeah, So there's the chance that
Speaker 1: with a regime change in the future that it could
Speaker 1: we could get it back. Do you think that. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure if a reasonable government gets back in and
Speaker 1: we would for sure probably have a chance to reopen it. Unreal. Well,
Speaker 1: so that was your twenties, your fall season, just your
Speaker 1: personal hunting, you and your wife, Like, this is not yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just like you and your wife. Um did
Speaker 1: what else did you take last year? Uh? Didn't take
Speaker 1: anything else. My wife shot and her biggest meal dere
Speaker 1: Oh really how big was this? Oh? Alright, one forty
Speaker 1: four by four? Nice? Well, awesome, awesome moose. Closing comments
Speaker 1: from the I'll preach your Daniel roupe. Nope, none, No,
Speaker 1: what do you think of what I mean? Haven't been here?
Speaker 1: This is this is dance dance like a sleep over here.
Speaker 1: This is so having. This is your first like adventure
Speaker 1: tip hunt that we're on, because we're on black bear
Speaker 1: hunt right now. It's killed our bears. You hear his
Speaker 1: stories about flying in on the float plane man and
Speaker 1: in hunting in a place where grizz mountain caribou moose,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, does that not? What's up? I mean
Speaker 1: when I hear the term meat flight, it's just it's
Speaker 1: a whole world that I have no idea about, but
Speaker 1: could really only dream about it. It sounds amazing and awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Devin Jewel closing comments. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what else to say. All legs and no smile, just
Speaker 1: keeping his car dright again his chest. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1: So we're about to go out and, uh, look for
Speaker 1: a bear. Maybe we don't have bear tags that we're
Speaker 1: gonna look for a bear. We've seen a bear every
Speaker 1: day this week. All right out