WEBVTT - British Columbia Black Bear Pt. #3 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.519 All right, everybody, Welcome to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.920 brought to you by Lacrosse Boots. Now, if you haven't already, 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.520 go check out the Lacrosse Alpha Burly Pro. It delivers 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.120 an athletic and glove like fit that will hold the 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.360 foot in place to prevent chafing and rubbing while on 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.599 the move. It's waterproof, it comes in a variety of 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.880 camel patterns, comes in a variety of insulation options, and 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:32.000 it's just an overall great boot. So go check out 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:52.240 Lacrosse Footwear dot com. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.720 the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.840 be your host into the world of hunting the icon 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:04.160 of North America can Wilderness Bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.600 but will also bring you into some of the wildest 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:16.759 country on the planet Chasing Bear. We're in British Columbia, Canada, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:21.919 Canada at Pacific Bear Outfitters Bear Camp. I've got Devin Jewell, 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.880 owner of Pacific Bear Outfitters, to my right. We've got 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:33.200 a campfire to my left burning famous Canadian softwood. It's 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:38.399 raining on the tarp above us and We've got a bear, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.400 two bears dryant in the periphery of the camp. Now 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.680 I've got Daniel Roupe, the outlaw preacher, directly in front 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.240 of me. We're drinking camp coffee. We've been sending a 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.880 text messages to our families via the garment En Reach 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:04.640 this afternoon. We've garment en Reach should sponsor us. And 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.440 we're waiting on the camp. The soul of the camp 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.480 Dave to return. Uh, the camp cook is gone. Who 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.760 took the bear meat back to about seven hours away, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.440 back to get the some of the bear meat taken 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:26.280 care of. And so we are here. Daniel killed a 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.000 bear on the second day the Embartish climb. I killed 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:34.919 a bear on the third day. Um, And Devin Jewel 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.680 is Devon is not killed. He's the only one who 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:45.480 don't killed, you know. So Devin is a Devon, is 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:50.480 a veteran northern big game hunter. He's guided how many 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:56.440 years have you guided in between? Like sixteen years? Okay, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.200 sixteen years. So you've got it in Norton, British Columbia. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.760 You've got it in the in the Northwest territories. Yeah, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:08.560 those two places and here and well this is brettuceh Cluvia. Yeah, 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.560 so you've got it in Bruce Cluvia the Northwest territories. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:21.800 And what species have you guided for? Black barriers, bear wolf, wolveren, moose, caribou, stone, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:31.640 cheap mount and goat. That's pretty much it. Oh yeah, sugar, Okay. So, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:39.280 so devon as experience a lot of what I mean, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.240 kind of the pinnacles of big game hunting. You know, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.920 So Daniel and I are from the South, and like 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.600 typically people from the South are gonna be white tail 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.720 hunters number one, They're gonna be turkey hunters number two. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:02.560 And we're making that We're we're making some good bear 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.560 hunters coming out of the southeast days too. But but 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.920 so like hunting these kind of what are like exotic 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.640 northern animals to us is pretty cool. And there's lots 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.200 of guys that are drawn tags and are going on 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:21.240 guided hunts for these big animals. But Bruce, Columbia is 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:28.680 a pretty dern unique place. And so what what species? 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.599 What is British Columbia known for everything? What do we got? 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:39.719 We got tall sheep, Northwest, corner stone sheep, north mountain goat, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.000 the bulk of the north America's mountain goat populations in 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.200 Bridge gonna be a sixty thousand of them. Uh, let 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.280 me stop, you're right there. So the bulk of North 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.159 America's mountain goats are in British Columbia. So the Raine. Okay, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.080 so we've been learned about mountain gooat. We saw a 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.480 mountain goat yesterday in British Columbia. And so these goats 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:05.880 are living in really specific habitat where basically where extremely rocky, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.360 rough terrain that they can navigate and where they can 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:14.640 escape predators. Wherever that type of habitat is, that's where 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.719 they live. They don't want to be in the woods, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.240 they don't want to be in these alpine pastures like, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.000 but they're gonna be They're only gonna be within escape 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:33.040 reach of big cliffs because so they can't outrun anything, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.600 like we're pretty sure the outlaw preacher he could run 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:44.320 down a mountain go down, and that's pretty cool. But 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:49.880 they can out climb anything, so they can they can 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:58.839 just scale these cliffs that just are unfathomable. So sixt 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.400 So the Coast Mountain Range runs through British Columbia from 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.960 the north to the south or south to north. Yeah, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.240 and then you have like the rocky mountains were on 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.760 south and north the entire province, that's more on the 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.120 western side of the eastern side of the province run 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.839 the entire distance. So so British Columbia is partially unique 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:24.239 because as two significant mountain range running the entire length 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:29.200 of the province. Okay, now see the Coast Mountains. Man, 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:33.159 people that name this place really understood geography. They're close 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.960 to the coast. So the Coast Mountains are close to 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.040 the coast. The coast mountains are going to go from 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:46.920 like sea level it's about nine thousand ish feet. And 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.119 so we described in depth and the other episodes about 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.760 how I mean just everywhere we're looking at these big, huge, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:00.240 snow covered mountains. We are down lower in the like 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:07.480 denser what looks just like sick Northwest rainforest type areas 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:12.280 with moss, huge trees, lots of logging, lots of logging roads, 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.400 lots of cut box and but we're looking up into 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.680 this like these big mountains, and a lot of these 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.520 mountains have these big rocky shelves at the top. A 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.000 lot of these mountains have big glaciers at the top, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:29.920 and that's where these mountain goes live. And as a 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:36.160 BC resident, like, how can you hunt a mountain goat? Well, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.760 some areas are a lottery and some are just hoping, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.360 but you're allowed one to hear you'd like over the counter. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.080 So over the as a resident lyc you can go 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.480 by a tag that you're gonna have a decent chance 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.720 to actually kill the mountain and go, oh yeah, you 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.080 get one every year as long as your climber, as 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.200 long as you're a climber. So the challenge in hunting 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:00.360 them is just it's not hard to find them, really know. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.320 I mean, you gotta get to where they live. But 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.480 that's climbing is important for sure. But yeah, they're not 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.920 hard to spot. There's good populations of them. Yeah yeah. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.520 So the challenge is what when you're hunting the mountain 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.000 go just hiking for that's most people, And well what 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.240 about finding a goat that you can shoot that you 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.840 can also retrieve. Yeah, you're gonna you might have to 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.480 look at a few, but I mean for the most 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.400 Briberian area with a good population, you're gonna see a 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.160 number of goats and then really just getting to them 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.080 game into a shooting position. Yeah, what was it the 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.959 other day when we're up on that ridge and you said, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.199 sometimes if you shoot a goat or a ridge like this, 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.600 it'll just launch launch out. Yeah, when you're like if 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.079 they if you hit them, they have a tendency and 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.240 just they had for that scary terrain and they die 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:55.320 halfway there and m hm, we'll really go meet at 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.800 the bottom. You also told us that for those of 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.760 us who are not residents of a province or state 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.400 where mountain goat hunting is something that we have access to. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.840 In terms of guided hunts, a mountain goat hunt is 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:16.559 one of the cheaper of the the mountain game. Yeah, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.520 so you could you could get into a mountain goat 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.959 hunt for eight to ten grand I think eight to 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.160 twelve for sure. I think a leven would be a 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:30.000 fairly common price nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, just for 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:35.680 clarity to specific Bear outfitters guides for Black Bear and 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.520 Mountain Lion, Devon is not guiding for the Big Mountain Game. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.800 Devon is is working for some other outfitters doing that 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:49.520 just for clarity. But so, but you get to experience 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.520 tell me what she told me, like, you get to 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.640 experience all the same things that like a doll sheep 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.480 or stone similar hunting like a sheep hunt, but more 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.520 it'll have a higher success rate. And but you're doing 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.280 the same the same concepts, the same you know, high 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.800 mountain trekking and all that stuff that she hunting is 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.360 well known for. But a much more available hunt for sure, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.760 and you're gonna have a higher success rate because they're 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:24.880 just a more stationary animal, right and personally, I just 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.240 like the way mountain goats look. I mean, I think 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.680 they're spectacular animal. I think if a if a if 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:37.640 if sheep didn't have the kind of the reputation, the 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:44.920 the icon read that they have, that they would that 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.520 a go Like if you were just to take someone 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.760 that didn't know anything and you put a mountain goat 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.120 and a sheep side by side, I think a fair 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.400 percentage of people would say I would pick the mountain 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:00.480 goat as a beautiful, majestic, awesome animal. But they like 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.480 to hunt, so I mean that that. But the sheep 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.040 kind of because of their scarcity and because they do 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.280 have majestic antlers, no doubt, and they live majestic places, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.480 there are spectator anial But I mean the mountain goats 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.480 kind of the same way, but a mountain goat and 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:21.400 nearly expensive, and it's a very similar experience overall. But 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:28.040 Dan Roupe has just chokes the fire and so you're 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:36.480 here lots of popping and crackling. So so that's that's 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.520 mountain goat. Let's see, I didn't realize that British Columbia 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.680 had the boast mountain goats of any province or state. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:51.600 That's really interesting. So what other what other big game 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.040 opportunities do you have here in British Columbia, Like personally 0:11:55.080 --> 0:12:01.720 that you you're gonna go hunt mountain, Caribous, Rocky mountainw Croosevelt, elk, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:08.600 Canada moose, uh, whitetail, deer, mule deer, blacktail deer. Then 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.680 of course you have Rocky Mountain, Bighorn, California, big horn, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:17.880 uh black bear, mountain lions, wolf, wolverine, links of Bobcat available. Wow, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.960 how many of the twenty nine big game animals are 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.679 in British Columbia? Do you have any idea all those 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.560 funs I just said, I just wondered if there was, like, well, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.960 they're fifteen of twenty nine big game animals. I guess 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:43.640 all the all the super ten would be here though, bear, caribou, moose, deer, bison, bison. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.560 We have bison, bison. I forgot bison hire. So I 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.920 mean this is like the tremendous province and you can 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.000 get almost all those tags over the counter. As a 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:56.280 BC resident. You told me that there are hundred and 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:03.240 eighty thousand resident Bruce Clary thirty thousand residents hunters. And 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.440 to see in an area that's I don't know what 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.200 you compare it to down there. Not quite as big 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.440 as Texas, but it's huge. It's almost as big as Texas. Yeah. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:22.760 Well yeah, and but of those guys, there's not like 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.120 in the States, it's pretty common for there to be 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.559 like there's more big game hunters than that would be 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.000 in Canada. Am I correct? Well, you know, like the 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.079 state of Pennsylvania's a million hunters, so I mean that 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:40.480 one state test more hunters in all First Columbia, right, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.760 But I guess just serious hunters. I mean there's not 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.440 as many, so you're not gonna see like super avid guys. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.800 I don't know how you gauge that though in a population, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:54.160 but I mean, right, I guess days spent, So how 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.520 many of that hundred. How many would spend more than 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.200 fourteen days hunting a season that would maybe be a 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.000 way to gage it. And then after that, how many 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:11.240 would spend more than thirty days? Yeah? So so all right, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:21.880 Devn just slapped the law preacher I have, so I 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:28.160 think give them away. Talk to us about tell us about. Well, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.720 I'm gonna ask you a question about your moose. So, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:37.320 Devin killed very large moose last year in northern BC, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:46.120 now northwestern BC. Okay. So so there are let me see, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:53.280 three subspecies of moose because it is the Eastern Canada. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.680 In Western Canada, well, the shower smooth is anything in 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:04.320 the United States, Canada moose and Yukon moose. Well for 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.120 the North American Super Slam. Yeah yeah, yeah, So for 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.920 the North American Super Slam. So talking about North America, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.280 there's gonna be three species of moose shower smooth, Canada moose, 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.160 Yukon moose. Yukon moose is the big daddy of the moose. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.440 Big Daddy and Yukon moose are gonna be in Alaska, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:29.520 Yukon and Northwest territories okay, half of the Northwest Territoris. Okay. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.480 The Canada moose is gonna be is gonna stretch every 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.880 other single place, every other single place other than the 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.920 United States. They're gonna be Cannadas. And typically Canada moose 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.160 would be much smaller, I mean, especially like in eastern Canada. Yeah, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.280 if you remember too that like a province like DC 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.720 is three thousand klarmers long. So a moose from the 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.720 northern part of BC is a lot bigger than moose 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.840 from the southern beast part of BC. Right, But if 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.680 you want a big Canada moose, it makes sense to 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.560 hunt where they get the biggest, which is in the 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.000 northern part of the provinces. And when you say biggest, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:08.960 are we talking like Bergman's law biggest Bergman's laws. The 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.000 further north, the further that you get away from the equator, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:18.720 the larger that mammals get to retain heat. So like 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.320 a white tail deer that's in Florida is super small, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.400 like the keys deer white tail deer and Saskatchewan or 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.040 Manitoba it's much larger, same species. They could interbreed, but 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:33.400 they've developed a smaller body size to be advantageous to 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.040 release heat but also to retain heat. What we canna 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.120 say down what you're talking about moose, and like, so, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.520 Yukon moose are the biggest, we say the biggest. You're 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.200 just being a deer hunter Arkansas knowing nothing about mose 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:51.080 other than they look huge. That big means wi of antlers, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.960 body and body and as so when Yukon moose is like, oh, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.320 it's the granddaddy of the three types in the North 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:04.159 American world. How much like double double the stuff. So 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.680 if you kill the moose in Utah versus a moose 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.359 in Alaska, you're talking about almost two completely different animals. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.760 Just the look similar, but the size would not be similar. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:19.080 So the horns are literally twice as large they could be. Yeah, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.320 it's kind of a gradient scale. I mean it would 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.200 use body sizes, like the body size would be double 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.320 the but it would be wider, deeper, taller, just a 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.560 bigger animal. And then yes, the antlers could be in 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.879 in a big old bull moose pounds, Yeah, probably, like 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.520 they could be up into that neighborhood for sure, where 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.919 it's like even in Southern BC. I bet you if 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.800 you killed a thousand pound moose that's about its bigges, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:50.640 it's gonna be o Southern BC more like Utah yeah, like, well, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.840 of course, if you kill a moose in the Rocky 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:57.560 Mountains five miles north of the USA Canada border, you're 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 hunting pretty much the Shire's moose, right, Whereas if you 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.720 hunt one five miles south of Alaska yukon boarder, so 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.800 you're still in BC. These are man made lines that 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:14.720 are imperfect, yep, imperfect. Then they're imperfect. So yeah, what 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.440 do you say? It is correct? So it's the same species, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.280 but they're just different. And you know, a few years 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.320 ago there was a world record Shier's moose killed in 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.440 Odaho and it was a monster. It was monster. I 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.840 mean it was like, I don't I've seen it. I 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.240 actually saw that mose, Like, yeah, at we're gonna see 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.280 it bass Pro at bass Pro in Springfield when the 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.960 Boone and Crock had had their big game bank with 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.800 their two years ago, that world record shiers moose was there, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.800 and I don't know, it was probably in the sixties, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:52.200 maybe even seventy, I can't remember. It's huge. So there's 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:58.080 exceptions anywhere you go. In general, they're gonna be a 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.360 Canada moose is the mid grade move which they they 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.720 gauge when people are talking about moose. They gauge moose 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:09.920 based upon the widest width between antlers, So like you 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.400 would say, that's a fifty inch moose, And that would 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:14.240 mean if you just took a tape measure and just 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.960 measured to the widest point on the left that side, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.720 to the widest point of that side, that mose um 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:27.960 so seventy inch Yukon moose would be like world class. Yeah, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.480 anything in the sixties and worldwide, no doubt. So sixty 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.439 if you went to the Yukon and kill the or 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.679 wherever you're you're at the top of the heat. But 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:46.160 in Canada, butch of Canada guys are shooting probably forty 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.320 in moose and being pretty happy with it. So the 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.440 Devon's moose was a Canada moose. Granted it was at 0:19:54.480 --> 0:20:01.240 the the Yukon border, just below the Yukon with and 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.040 so just tell us kind of give us a little 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.000 bit about that hunt. Semper with your wife and we 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.920 flew a group of us flew into a lake where 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.439 we hunted several times. We handed during the rout for 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:17.359 two weeks, and I think day four or five and 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.080 my wife called in a very big moose and shot 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.360 him sixty four and a half inch, so very big. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.920 So you So how many people were in the hunt 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.680 with you? Uh? Five? And so y'all are all at 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.280 the same camp, same camp, same lake, but we'd split 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.600 up with one day with you? Yeah old day? Who 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.080 would take care of camp? Did you just stay at 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:46.200 camp and hunt? And didn't? He? Hell? Yeah, usually shoots 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.120 the one that comes to camp, I'll be done, which 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.600 is like pretty not a certainty, but it usually happens. Yeah, 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.439 playing the camp card, hang out a game, and shoot. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.560 Some comes to camp. I could totally see him doing. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.880 So Dave, Dave is the camp cook and kind of 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:13.600 like the Devin. Devon and Dave were like inseparable sidekicks 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:18.359 like Batman and Robin. And we've decided that we like 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:26.480 Dave like much better than Devon. Sense he's nicer. He's 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.400 way nicer than Devon was going to shoot. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.680 so we're right out from under. So I was gonna 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.320 dig into the details just hunt. So, so there's five 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.280 people in camp, So Dave's in camp, two people are 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.600 you and your wife Ashley, and then there's two other 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.880 people that are just your friends. We're just gonna leave 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:56.680 them nameless. Smart Okay. So they go off somewhere to hunt. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.119 Everybody kind of splits up, kind of goes to the 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.679 other side of the mountain or something. Yeah, like the 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.840 lake is like I bick the blaky probably it's probably 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.800 like ten miles long, right, So yeah, we got canoe, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.000 so you can like, could you I did a different year? Yeah, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.639 like they've been we leave them there. We leave them there. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.920 There was time up and trees, so bears can't get them. 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.679 I'll be darn. And then uh so then when you 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.960 get there there, so yeah, that like you split up, 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.359 go to one end of the lake, either end of 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.960 the lake or whatever. Right, lots of space. You're not 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.119 gonna run into each other again. Wow, And so you 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.320 had actually we're hunting together, you've been you canoed out 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.879 that day. I think we just walked the edge of 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.800 the lake that day, because I don't remember why. I'm 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.600 pretty sure that's what we did though. So we just 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.160 walked down into an area we knew, like a meadowy area, 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.399 and then it had been raining, so a quit raining 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:49.920 and we just kind of stretched out in the sun 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.439 to dry out and fall a bit on the edge 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:55.840 of this Are you using a moose call? I mean 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.560 it just my hands, so you just cutting your hands. 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.960 And so when these when these eyes are moose hunting, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.680 when these guys are moose hunting, there there a lot 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.800 of them. Use a like a horn, like a birch 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.840 bark horror or yeah, like a like a polly horn 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.880 that like it's like a funnel. It's like a gas funnel, 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.359 and it it amplifies the sound because you're calling moose 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:24.120 that could potentially be miles away forever. The reason moose's 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.240 horns are shaped the way they are, it's a funnel sound. 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.320 End of the year. Those are like an antenna dish. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.400 I have no idea there. There's such a low density 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.000 animal that the way they communicate has to be very 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.560 long distance communication. And so I saw I've seen a 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.639 graph one time that showed the way that sound any 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:51.920 place on the palm of that antler right to reverberates 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.320 to like the exact same spot. You know those like 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:59.119 military radar pills. Yeah, what does that look like the 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.560 same So, like the geometry of the shape of their 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.160 horn like reflects sounding it. So so they can hear 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.280 exceptionally well. And so you when you call moose, you 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.520 get into a favorable location where you could hear long 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.879 ways where you think, moose are you call and the 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.800 moose you're calling may not answer you even that day 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.320 so far away, or you may not even answer you 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.640 the next day, and I mean, like the third day 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.920 he might show up. So you've been calling and he's 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:35.080 been coming the whole time. Possible potentially that'd be pretty far, 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:39.160 but stretching the tree in the mountains where we hunt 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.560 would be the mooses will have beds way up right 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.640 below tree line, like in the valley. So if you're 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.920 at the late calling, they're sitting up on the mountain 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.880 and then they're right because you're below and they can 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.399 hear really good, and then they're up on the mountain 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.520 and that could easily be a mile like or a 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.639 couple of miles, like no problem. Yeah wow, And so 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.280 so you give us a give us a female moose 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:14.680 calls ship. Yeah, what's your sound? Yeah, I'll try you know, 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:26.399 I'm trying to contain myself, okay, wow. Yeah, it's just 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:31.359 really nasally kind of just like you know, some animals 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.199 you can make it loud or what's really cool, you know, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.200 some animals have this like majestic sound like an elk, 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.879 like an elk bugle, it's like a majestic sound just 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:47.480 like loud, and a moose is like not that way. 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.080 So a bull moose would make a sound like what 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.080 like so let's say you do that, you know you do? 0:25:53.119 --> 0:26:00.840 The female in the response would be but that's just 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.959 their vocal noise. They would make way more noises than that, 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.280 like banging the amilis like the front of the anilers 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.080 swinging it into a tree just like just no, just 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.080 a clunk, that would be one, just one noise they'd make, 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:18.159 or they'd break trees with their hands like wow. So 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.000 those would be like the three main noises they would make. 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.320 So you would hear that. They call it grunt. They 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.240 call it bull grunt. And how far would you said, 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.880 you can hear a bull if if it's still in calm, 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.199 like no, if it's windy, but if it's still in 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.880 calm and you know that like clear cold, and they're 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.120 coming from a ways off down the mountain value where 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:45.159 you can do and then just keep like coment for 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:47.280 like like it took like an hour for that bull 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.760 to get to us easily. Yeah, so it just keeps coming. 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:55.000 To imagine louder and louder as it comes, and that 0:26:55.520 --> 0:27:01.159 is it's like super excited. I have been on a 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:05.560 moose hunt one time for four days in Alaska before 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.399 I killed the brown bear, and we we never even 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:12.480 really worked well, we we worked one moose like works, 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:20.200 meaning we cal called, the bull responded and we were like, 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.200 this is gonna happen just one time. It didn't happen. 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:28.040 He answered us back like a close fairly close range. 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.359 I didn't tell you this, but like on the third 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.199 or fourth day we cal called and one and I 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.760 mean we just were like, it's on a man, there 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.520