1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Welcome to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: brought to you by Lacrosse Boots. Now, if you haven't already, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: go check out the Lacrosse Alpha Burly Pro. It delivers 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: an athletic and glove like fit that will hold the 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: foot in place to prevent chafing and rubbing while on 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: the move. It's waterproof, it comes in a variety of 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: camel patterns, comes in a variety of insulation options, and 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: it's just an overall great boot. So go check out 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: Lacrosse Footwear dot com. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also 11 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: be your host into the world of hunting the icon 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: of North America can Wilderness Bear. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: but will also bring you into some of the wildest 14 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: country on the planet Chasing Bear. We're in British Columbia, Canada, 15 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: Canada at Pacific Bear Outfitters Bear Camp. I've got Devin Jewell, 16 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: owner of Pacific Bear Outfitters, to my right. We've got 17 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: a campfire to my left burning famous Canadian softwood. It's 18 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: raining on the tarp above us and We've got a bear, 19 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: two bears dryant in the periphery of the camp. Now 20 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: I've got Daniel Roupe, the outlaw preacher, directly in front 21 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: of me. We're drinking camp coffee. We've been sending a 22 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: text messages to our families via the garment En Reach 23 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: this afternoon. We've garment en Reach should sponsor us. And 24 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: we're waiting on the camp. The soul of the camp 25 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Dave to return. Uh, the camp cook is gone. Who 26 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: took the bear meat back to about seven hours away, 27 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: back to get the some of the bear meat taken 28 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: care of. And so we are here. Daniel killed a 29 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: bear on the second day the Embartish climb. I killed 30 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: a bear on the third day. Um, And Devin Jewel 31 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: is Devon is not killed. He's the only one who 32 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: don't killed, you know. So Devin is a Devon, is 33 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: a veteran northern big game hunter. He's guided how many 34 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: years have you guided in between? Like sixteen years? Okay, 35 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: sixteen years. So you've got it in Norton, British Columbia. 36 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: You've got it in the in the Northwest territories. Yeah, 37 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: those two places and here and well this is brettuceh Cluvia. Yeah, 38 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: so you've got it in Bruce Cluvia the Northwest territories. 39 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: And what species have you guided for? Black barriers, bear wolf, wolveren, moose, caribou, stone, 40 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: cheap mount and goat. That's pretty much it. Oh yeah, sugar, Okay. So, 41 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: so devon as experience a lot of what I mean, 42 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of the pinnacles of big game hunting. You know, 43 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: So Daniel and I are from the South, and like 44 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: typically people from the South are gonna be white tail 45 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: hunters number one, They're gonna be turkey hunters number two. 46 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: And we're making that We're we're making some good bear 47 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: hunters coming out of the southeast days too. But but 48 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: so like hunting these kind of what are like exotic 49 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: northern animals to us is pretty cool. And there's lots 50 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: of guys that are drawn tags and are going on 51 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: guided hunts for these big animals. But Bruce, Columbia is 52 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: a pretty dern unique place. And so what what species? 53 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: What is British Columbia known for everything? What do we got? 54 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: We got tall sheep, Northwest, corner stone sheep, north mountain goat, 55 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: the bulk of the north America's mountain goat populations in 56 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Bridge gonna be a sixty thousand of them. Uh, let 57 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: me stop, you're right there. So the bulk of North 58 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: America's mountain goats are in British Columbia. So the Raine. Okay, 59 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: so we've been learned about mountain gooat. We saw a 60 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: mountain goat yesterday in British Columbia. And so these goats 61 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: are living in really specific habitat where basically where extremely rocky, 62 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: rough terrain that they can navigate and where they can 63 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: escape predators. Wherever that type of habitat is, that's where 64 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: they live. They don't want to be in the woods, 65 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to be in these alpine pastures like, 66 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: but they're gonna be They're only gonna be within escape 67 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: reach of big cliffs because so they can't outrun anything, 68 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: like we're pretty sure the outlaw preacher he could run 69 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: down a mountain go down, and that's pretty cool. But 70 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: they can out climb anything, so they can they can 71 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: just scale these cliffs that just are unfathomable. So sixt 72 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: So the Coast Mountain Range runs through British Columbia from 73 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: the north to the south or south to north. Yeah, 74 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: and then you have like the rocky mountains were on 75 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: south and north the entire province, that's more on the 76 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: western side of the eastern side of the province run 77 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: the entire distance. So so British Columbia is partially unique 78 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: because as two significant mountain range running the entire length 79 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of the province. Okay, now see the Coast Mountains. Man, 80 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: people that name this place really understood geography. They're close 81 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: to the coast. So the Coast Mountains are close to 82 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: the coast. The coast mountains are going to go from 83 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: like sea level it's about nine thousand ish feet. And 84 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: so we described in depth and the other episodes about 85 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: how I mean just everywhere we're looking at these big, huge, 86 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: snow covered mountains. We are down lower in the like 87 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: denser what looks just like sick Northwest rainforest type areas 88 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: with moss, huge trees, lots of logging, lots of logging roads, 89 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: lots of cut box and but we're looking up into 90 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: this like these big mountains, and a lot of these 91 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: mountains have these big rocky shelves at the top. A 92 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: lot of these mountains have big glaciers at the top, 93 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and that's where these mountain goes live. And as a 94 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: BC resident, like, how can you hunt a mountain goat? Well, 95 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: some areas are a lottery and some are just hoping, 96 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: but you're allowed one to hear you'd like over the counter. 97 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: So over the as a resident lyc you can go 98 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: by a tag that you're gonna have a decent chance 99 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: to actually kill the mountain and go, oh yeah, you 100 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: get one every year as long as your climber, as 101 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: long as you're a climber. So the challenge in hunting 102 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: them is just it's not hard to find them, really know. 103 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta get to where they live. But 104 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: that's climbing is important for sure. But yeah, they're not 105 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: hard to spot. There's good populations of them. Yeah yeah. 106 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: So the challenge is what when you're hunting the mountain 107 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: go just hiking for that's most people, And well what 108 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: about finding a goat that you can shoot that you 109 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: can also retrieve. Yeah, you're gonna you might have to 110 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: look at a few, but I mean for the most 111 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: Briberian area with a good population, you're gonna see a 112 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: number of goats and then really just getting to them 113 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: game into a shooting position. Yeah, what was it the 114 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: other day when we're up on that ridge and you said, 115 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: sometimes if you shoot a goat or a ridge like this, 116 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: it'll just launch launch out. Yeah, when you're like if 117 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: they if you hit them, they have a tendency and 118 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: just they had for that scary terrain and they die 119 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: halfway there and m hm, we'll really go meet at 120 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the bottom. You also told us that for those of 121 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: us who are not residents of a province or state 122 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: where mountain goat hunting is something that we have access to. 123 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: In terms of guided hunts, a mountain goat hunt is 124 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: one of the cheaper of the the mountain game. Yeah, 125 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: so you could you could get into a mountain goat 126 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: hunt for eight to ten grand I think eight to 127 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: twelve for sure. I think a leven would be a 128 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: fairly common price nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, just for 129 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: clarity to specific Bear outfitters guides for Black Bear and 130 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: Mountain Lion, Devon is not guiding for the Big Mountain Game. 131 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: Devon is is working for some other outfitters doing that 132 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: just for clarity. But so, but you get to experience 133 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: tell me what she told me, like, you get to 134 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: experience all the same things that like a doll sheep 135 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: or stone similar hunting like a sheep hunt, but more 136 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: it'll have a higher success rate. And but you're doing 137 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: the same the same concepts, the same you know, high 138 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: mountain trekking and all that stuff that she hunting is 139 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: well known for. But a much more available hunt for sure, 140 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a higher success rate because they're 141 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: just a more stationary animal, right and personally, I just 142 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: like the way mountain goats look. I mean, I think 143 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: they're spectacular animal. I think if a if a if 144 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: if sheep didn't have the kind of the reputation, the 145 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: the icon read that they have, that they would that 146 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: a go Like if you were just to take someone 147 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: that didn't know anything and you put a mountain goat 148 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: and a sheep side by side, I think a fair 149 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: percentage of people would say I would pick the mountain 150 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: goat as a beautiful, majestic, awesome animal. But they like 151 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: to hunt, so I mean that that. But the sheep 152 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of because of their scarcity and because they do 153 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: have majestic antlers, no doubt, and they live majestic places, 154 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: there are spectator anial But I mean the mountain goats 155 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of the same way, but a mountain goat and 156 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: nearly expensive, and it's a very similar experience overall. But 157 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Dan Roupe has just chokes the fire and so you're 158 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: here lots of popping and crackling. So so that's that's 159 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: mountain goat. Let's see, I didn't realize that British Columbia 160 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: had the boast mountain goats of any province or state. 161 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. So what other what other big game 162 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: opportunities do you have here in British Columbia, Like personally 163 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: that you you're gonna go hunt mountain, Caribous, Rocky mountainw Croosevelt, elk, 164 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Canada moose, uh, whitetail, deer, mule deer, blacktail deer. Then 165 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: of course you have Rocky Mountain, Bighorn, California, big horn, 166 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: uh black bear, mountain lions, wolf, wolverine, links of Bobcat available. Wow, 167 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: how many of the twenty nine big game animals are 168 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: in British Columbia? Do you have any idea all those 169 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: funs I just said, I just wondered if there was, like, well, 170 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: they're fifteen of twenty nine big game animals. I guess 171 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: all the all the super ten would be here though, bear, caribou, moose, deer, bison, bison. 172 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: We have bison, bison. I forgot bison hire. So I 173 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: mean this is like the tremendous province and you can 174 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: get almost all those tags over the counter. As a 175 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: BC resident. You told me that there are hundred and 176 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: eighty thousand resident Bruce Clary thirty thousand residents hunters. And 177 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: to see in an area that's I don't know what 178 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: you compare it to down there. Not quite as big 179 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: as Texas, but it's huge. It's almost as big as Texas. Yeah. 180 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and but of those guys, there's not like 181 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: in the States, it's pretty common for there to be 182 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: like there's more big game hunters than that would be 183 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: in Canada. Am I correct? Well, you know, like the 184 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania's a million hunters, so I mean that 185 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: one state test more hunters in all First Columbia, right, 186 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: But I guess just serious hunters. I mean there's not 187 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: as many, so you're not gonna see like super avid guys. 188 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how you gauge that though in a population, 189 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: but I mean, right, I guess days spent, So how 190 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: many of that hundred. How many would spend more than 191 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: fourteen days hunting a season that would maybe be a 192 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: way to gage it. And then after that, how many 193 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: would spend more than thirty days? Yeah? So so all right, 194 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Devn just slapped the law preacher I have, so I 195 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: think give them away. Talk to us about tell us about. Well, 196 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question about your moose. So, 197 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Devin killed very large moose last year in northern BC, 198 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: now northwestern BC. Okay. So so there are let me see, 199 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: three subspecies of moose because it is the Eastern Canada. 200 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: In Western Canada, well, the shower smooth is anything in 201 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the United States, Canada moose and Yukon moose. Well for 202 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: the North American Super Slam. Yeah yeah, yeah, So for 203 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: the North American Super Slam. So talking about North America, 204 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: there's gonna be three species of moose shower smooth, Canada moose, 205 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Yukon moose. Yukon moose is the big daddy of the moose. 206 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Big Daddy and Yukon moose are gonna be in Alaska, 207 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: Yukon and Northwest territories okay, half of the Northwest Territoris. Okay. 208 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: The Canada moose is gonna be is gonna stretch every 209 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: other single place, every other single place other than the 210 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: United States. They're gonna be Cannadas. And typically Canada moose 211 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: would be much smaller, I mean, especially like in eastern Canada. Yeah, 212 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: if you remember too that like a province like DC 213 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: is three thousand klarmers long. So a moose from the 214 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: northern part of BC is a lot bigger than moose 215 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: from the southern beast part of BC. Right, But if 216 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: you want a big Canada moose, it makes sense to 217 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: hunt where they get the biggest, which is in the 218 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: northern part of the provinces. And when you say biggest, 219 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: are we talking like Bergman's law biggest Bergman's laws. The 220 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: further north, the further that you get away from the equator, 221 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: the larger that mammals get to retain heat. So like 222 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: a white tail deer that's in Florida is super small, 223 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: like the keys deer white tail deer and Saskatchewan or 224 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: Manitoba it's much larger, same species. They could interbreed, but 225 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: they've developed a smaller body size to be advantageous to 226 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: release heat but also to retain heat. What we canna 227 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: say down what you're talking about moose, and like, so, 228 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: Yukon moose are the biggest, we say the biggest. You're 229 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: just being a deer hunter Arkansas knowing nothing about mose 230 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: other than they look huge. That big means wi of antlers, 231 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: body and body and as so when Yukon moose is like, oh, 232 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: it's the granddaddy of the three types in the North 233 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: American world. How much like double double the stuff. So 234 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: if you kill the moose in Utah versus a moose 235 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: in Alaska, you're talking about almost two completely different animals. 236 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: Just the look similar, but the size would not be similar. 237 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: So the horns are literally twice as large they could be. Yeah, 238 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of a gradient scale. I mean it would 239 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: use body sizes, like the body size would be double 240 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: the but it would be wider, deeper, taller, just a 241 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: bigger animal. And then yes, the antlers could be in 242 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: in a big old bull moose pounds, Yeah, probably, like 243 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: they could be up into that neighborhood for sure, where 244 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: it's like even in Southern BC. I bet you if 245 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: you killed a thousand pound moose that's about its bigges, 246 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be o Southern BC more like Utah yeah, like, well, 247 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: of course, if you kill a moose in the Rocky 248 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Mountains five miles north of the USA Canada border, you're 249 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: hunting pretty much the Shire's moose, right, Whereas if you 250 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: hunt one five miles south of Alaska yukon boarder, so 251 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: you're still in BC. These are man made lines that 252 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: are imperfect, yep, imperfect. Then they're imperfect. So yeah, what 253 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: do you say? It is correct? So it's the same species, 254 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: but they're just different. And you know, a few years 255 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: ago there was a world record Shier's moose killed in 256 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Odaho and it was a monster. It was monster. I 257 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: mean it was like, I don't I've seen it. I 258 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: actually saw that mose, Like, yeah, at we're gonna see 259 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: it bass Pro at bass Pro in Springfield when the 260 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: Boone and Crock had had their big game bank with 261 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: their two years ago, that world record shiers moose was there, 262 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it was probably in the sixties, 263 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: maybe even seventy, I can't remember. It's huge. So there's 264 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: exceptions anywhere you go. In general, they're gonna be a 265 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: Canada moose is the mid grade move which they they 266 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: gauge when people are talking about moose. They gauge moose 267 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: based upon the widest width between antlers, So like you 268 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: would say, that's a fifty inch moose, And that would 269 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: mean if you just took a tape measure and just 270 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: measured to the widest point on the left that side, 271 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: to the widest point of that side, that mose um 272 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: so seventy inch Yukon moose would be like world class. Yeah, 273 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: anything in the sixties and worldwide, no doubt. So sixty 274 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: if you went to the Yukon and kill the or 275 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: wherever you're you're at the top of the heat. But 276 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: in Canada, butch of Canada guys are shooting probably forty 277 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: in moose and being pretty happy with it. So the 278 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Devon's moose was a Canada moose. Granted it was at 279 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: the the Yukon border, just below the Yukon with and 280 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: so just tell us kind of give us a little 281 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: bit about that hunt. Semper with your wife and we 282 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: flew a group of us flew into a lake where 283 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: we hunted several times. We handed during the rout for 284 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: two weeks, and I think day four or five and 285 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: my wife called in a very big moose and shot 286 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: him sixty four and a half inch, so very big. 287 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: So you So how many people were in the hunt 288 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: with you? Uh? Five? And so y'all are all at 289 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: the same camp, same camp, same lake, but we'd split 290 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: up with one day with you? Yeah old day? Who 291 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: would take care of camp? Did you just stay at 292 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: camp and hunt? And didn't? He? Hell? Yeah, usually shoots 293 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: the one that comes to camp, I'll be done, which 294 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: is like pretty not a certainty, but it usually happens. Yeah, 295 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: playing the camp card, hang out a game, and shoot. 296 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Some comes to camp. I could totally see him doing. 297 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: So Dave, Dave is the camp cook and kind of 298 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: like the Devin. Devon and Dave were like inseparable sidekicks 299 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: like Batman and Robin. And we've decided that we like 300 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Dave like much better than Devon. Sense he's nicer. He's 301 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: way nicer than Devon was going to shoot. Yeah. Yeah, 302 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: so we're right out from under. So I was gonna 303 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: dig into the details just hunt. So, so there's five 304 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: people in camp, So Dave's in camp, two people are 305 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: you and your wife Ashley, and then there's two other 306 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: people that are just your friends. We're just gonna leave 307 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: them nameless. Smart Okay. So they go off somewhere to hunt. 308 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of splits up, kind of goes to the 309 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: other side of the mountain or something. Yeah, like the 310 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: lake is like I bick the blaky probably it's probably 311 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: like ten miles long, right, So yeah, we got canoe, 312 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: so you can like, could you I did a different year? Yeah, 313 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: like they've been we leave them there. We leave them there. 314 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: There was time up and trees, so bears can't get them. 315 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: I'll be darn. And then uh so then when you 316 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: get there there, so yeah, that like you split up, 317 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: go to one end of the lake, either end of 318 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: the lake or whatever. Right, lots of space. You're not 319 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: gonna run into each other again. Wow, And so you 320 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: had actually we're hunting together, you've been you canoed out 321 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: that day. I think we just walked the edge of 322 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the lake that day, because I don't remember why. I'm 323 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: pretty sure that's what we did though. So we just 324 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: walked down into an area we knew, like a meadowy area, 325 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: and then it had been raining, so a quit raining 326 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: and we just kind of stretched out in the sun 327 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: to dry out and fall a bit on the edge 328 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: of this Are you using a moose call? I mean 329 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: it just my hands, so you just cutting your hands. 330 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: And so when these when these eyes are moose hunting, 331 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: when these guys are moose hunting, there there a lot 332 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: of them. Use a like a horn, like a birch 333 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: bark horror or yeah, like a like a polly horn 334 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: that like it's like a funnel. It's like a gas funnel, 335 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: and it it amplifies the sound because you're calling moose 336 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: that could potentially be miles away forever. The reason moose's 337 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: horns are shaped the way they are, it's a funnel sound. 338 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: End of the year. Those are like an antenna dish. 339 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea there. There's such a low density 340 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: animal that the way they communicate has to be very 341 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: long distance communication. And so I saw I've seen a 342 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: graph one time that showed the way that sound any 343 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: place on the palm of that antler right to reverberates 344 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: to like the exact same spot. You know those like 345 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: military radar pills. Yeah, what does that look like the 346 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: same So, like the geometry of the shape of their 347 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: horn like reflects sounding it. So so they can hear 348 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: exceptionally well. And so you when you call moose, you 349 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: get into a favorable location where you could hear long 350 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: ways where you think, moose are you call and the 351 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: moose you're calling may not answer you even that day 352 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: so far away, or you may not even answer you 353 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: the next day, and I mean, like the third day 354 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: he might show up. So you've been calling and he's 355 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: been coming the whole time. Possible potentially that'd be pretty far, 356 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: but stretching the tree in the mountains where we hunt 357 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: would be the mooses will have beds way up right 358 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: below tree line, like in the valley. So if you're 359 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: at the late calling, they're sitting up on the mountain 360 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: and then they're right because you're below and they can 361 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: hear really good, and then they're up on the mountain 362 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: and that could easily be a mile like or a 363 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: couple of miles, like no problem. Yeah wow, And so 364 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: so you give us a give us a female moose 365 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: calls ship. Yeah, what's your sound? Yeah, I'll try you know, 366 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I'm trying to contain myself, okay, wow. Yeah, it's just 367 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: really nasally kind of just like you know, some animals 368 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: you can make it loud or what's really cool, you know, 369 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: some animals have this like majestic sound like an elk, 370 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: like an elk bugle, it's like a majestic sound just 371 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: like loud, and a moose is like not that way. 372 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: So a bull moose would make a sound like what 373 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: like so let's say you do that, you know you do? 374 00:25:53,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: The female in the response would be but that's just 375 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: their vocal noise. They would make way more noises than that, 376 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: like banging the amilis like the front of the anilers 377 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: swinging it into a tree just like just no, just 378 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: a clunk, that would be one, just one noise they'd make, 379 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: or they'd break trees with their hands like wow. So 380 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: those would be like the three main noises they would make. 381 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: So you would hear that. They call it grunt. They 382 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: call it bull grunt. And how far would you said, 383 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: you can hear a bull if if it's still in calm, 384 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: like no, if it's windy, but if it's still in 385 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: calm and you know that like clear cold, and they're 386 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: coming from a ways off down the mountain value where 387 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: you can do and then just keep like coment for 388 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: like like it took like an hour for that bull 389 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: to get to us easily. Yeah, so it just keeps coming. 390 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: To imagine louder and louder as it comes, and that 391 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: is it's like super excited. I have been on a 392 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: moose hunt one time for four days in Alaska before 393 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: I killed the brown bear, and we we never even 394 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: really worked well, we we worked one moose like works, 395 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: meaning we cal called, the bull responded and we were like, 396 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: this is gonna happen just one time. It didn't happen. 397 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: He answered us back like a close fairly close range. 398 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you this, but like on the third 399 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: or fourth day we cal called and one and I 400 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: mean we just were like, it's on a man, there 401 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: is no it's something exciting about calling, and you know, 402 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred pound animals like turkey hunting, you turkey hunted, 403 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: damn call here they come. So this is like calling 404 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: in and so another you know. And then he's saying 405 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: that they communicated a lot with sounding antlers. So when 406 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: callers are calling, they also whack trees and playing on 407 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: stuff to replicate the sound of another bull. With this 408 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: female catch you turn trick like if you not competition, 409 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: if that's the dominant ball in he here's some other 410 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: guy with his cow. H are you in with my cow? 411 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: Right now? So so you'd walked from camp? Was it 412 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: morning time? Was it evening time? Was afternoon that time? 413 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: So had you left camp that morning and like not 414 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: come back or had you've been at camp. I think 415 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: we'd left in the morning, just hadn't come back yet. 416 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: We've been here all day, like at the end of 417 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: the lake. From camp, it's probably like an hour at 418 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: least just walking the shore of the lake. So it's 419 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: a fair peace. Yeah, you're at the end of the light. 420 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: And so you called and then did the bull respond immediately? No? 421 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I probably we probably called for I'm gonna say, like 422 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: a half an hour to an hour, don't remember exactly, 423 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: but then when he did, like I for sure heard 424 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: him at that point, like multiple runts. But then it 425 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: was just like steady coming for like another like hour 426 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: or even a little longer in it, and you were 427 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: and you and actually were just like both set up. Yeah, 428 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: well to a degree. You can tell you the long 429 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: way to way, so it's not like a rush. That's 430 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: what time, hundred and fifty yards in that meadow. Yeah, 431 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: and he's just he's just slowly coming. Did you continue 432 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: to call a bit but not crazy? Yeah, because if 433 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: he's coming, you don't want to give up more information 434 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: than you need to write. Like if if I heard 435 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: him come up and like, well, would he would like 436 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: stop and pause like like he was listening, then I 437 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, I think he's waiting for me 438 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: to tell him I'm still here, So I'd like give 439 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: like one like a short call, just like I'm still here. 440 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: And then it's like you can hear him pick up 441 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: again and keep coming. Wow wow crazy. So but you 442 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: don't know how big this moose is, Like, no, you 443 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: can't tell by the two. Yeah, you can't tell by 444 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: the grant really if it's like a fifty inch bowl 445 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: or a thirty inch bowl or a small bull. But 446 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: he's just coming. So you guys are pretty often here 447 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: big antlers, you know. Yeah, if you hear stuff like yeah, 448 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: like that clunking thing, only big bulls do that, yeah, 449 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: or like big raking right, Dan, we're gotta get moose huthing. 450 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: I love to you and me. Okay, So that was 451 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: in the crow call don't crow call? Yeah? So so 452 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the bulls coming and at what point do you like 453 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: know this is a done deal Because in almost all 454 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: types of hunting, there's a moment when you're he I 455 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: knew he was coming like that seemed very honest, but 456 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: you still don't know. And so he was he could 457 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: hang up out there just out of side, you could. 458 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get that impression there from this guy's like action. 459 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: He was just coming. He's coming. Yeah. And then but 460 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: you don't know how big it is until it's there. 461 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: So until he's in that hundred fifty yard open window, 462 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: you don't actually know it because we're not gonna shoot 463 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: any but like a larger mail what was the self now, 464 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: so there's no antler restriction, not area, no, so you 465 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: could have shot any kind of male moose, anything with 466 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: anlies yeah. So but so what what was your internal governor? Uh? Well, 467 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: we're looking for like my chair bowls, right, because that 468 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: it could have been like at moves. Yeah, I don't. 469 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't worry about what personally, so things I would 470 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: be looking forward, like big front, So like I don't 471 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: want like a crab pincher what we call crab cloths 472 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: on the front. That's a two point on the front 473 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: where the paddle behind I want, Well, I got four 474 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: like a palms in the front, and then I wanted 475 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: like a long paddle with lots of points. So if 476 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: it was like it could be fifty inches wide and 477 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: now five ft long caddles, that would be like an 478 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: who cares how why it is? Yeah? I got yeah, gotcha. 479 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: But this one just happened to be wide and long 480 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: and have big fronts and like every single thing you 481 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: could do. What is it like? Did he stepped out 482 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: of a clearing or so there's like a pine like 483 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: a timber pine edge on like like a bit of 484 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: a not a ridge, but a bit of a ridge 485 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: kind of. So he had to come down about fifty 486 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: ft so he like come up to those pine trees 487 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: and then down that open like grass ridge kind of 488 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: spot and down into the meadow. So at what point 489 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: did you see him when he came out of those 490 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: pine trees? How far was tift? Was that in range 491 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: for you? Oh? Yeah, easily? Do you have a scope 492 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: on your forty seven? I did this year, yeah, this 493 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: last year. But usually iron actually yeah, usually you're shooting 494 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: iron sights, but you were using a forty pout seventy 495 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: what was actually shooting? Okay, it's totally a girl gun. Yeah, 496 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Thurn out six is like the gun 497 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: of North America. Okay, to do it all again, to 498 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: do it all gone of North America. So the bull 499 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: comes out and you at what point do you realize 500 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: this is a whopper? As soon as he came out, 501 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: I seen his antlers. I was like, Yep, that's a shooter. 502 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean there, I mean, did you think it was 503 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: a sixty four in smooths? I wasn't too concerned. I 504 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: just knew it was a shooter. I mean I could 505 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: tell it was bigger than normal by quite as you 506 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: get excited, Yeah, did you what's Devin Jewel looked like 507 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: when he's excited about a moose? Pretty much just Sam's 508 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, that's what I was figuring. Stone face 509 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: couldn't just doesn't give anything away, all legs, no smile. 510 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: But so then he as you like as I wanted 511 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: to wait for him to stop moving because he's like 512 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: walking and like at that point, I'd say he was 513 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: coming for the most part, like had on and their 514 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: antlers like, because when he walks, he's like swinging his 515 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: antlers every time he grunts, right, so they're like back 516 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: and forth. So it's like, you don't really want to 517 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: take that shot. He's yeah, he's coming and he's still 518 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: he's not like, I know you guys are people, right, 519 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna go get me a later moose. Right. 520 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: So he's just like on his way over. And then 521 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: he there was like two it's not big trees, but 522 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: bigger trees. And because like when as he had gotten closer, 523 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: we had split up to get two different shooting positions. 524 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: So as she was over and I, you know, we're 525 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: spread out. How far apart? Were you? Not far? Just 526 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: to make sure we can cover these two. Like imagine 527 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: this meadow had like two little tails, so we wanted 528 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: to make sure we could shoot each tail depending on 529 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: where he came. So he just came out and as 530 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: he crossed, he came behind one of those bigger trees, 531 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: and I had like as he stopped, I had the 532 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: perfect shot. Not she could see his like hind corners, 533 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: So I just shot him. Weren't taking any chances. Yeah, 534 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: So did he drop? Yeah, he just went down, went down. 535 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Why did you shoot him the point? I just went 536 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: point of shoulder and he was still he was quartering 537 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: two okay, yeah, except he hit int right in the shoulder, 538 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: in the shoulder, Yeah, so he would have been like 539 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: if this was his head like that like that, Yeah, 540 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: he just hold it up and fell down. Man. And 541 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: then it's probably seventy yards at that point. So by 542 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: the time I walked over that he did. Wow. So 543 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: what what grain bullet are you shooting out? That was 544 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: the HSMO green four and thirty grain bullet, probably flying 545 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: feet per second or something, I think, yeah, I think 546 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: it's eighteen something like almost nineteen, but I can't remember exactly. 547 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,720 Speaker 1: Give me a not need to compare woods the greens. Well, 548 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: like we're shooting a tutor and twelve grain three and 549 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: wind mag and that's a heavy bullet soon bull, I 550 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: mean that's like that's like chunking a rock at him, 551 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: you know. So so with with rifles, and there's a 552 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: sometimes you want speed because speed kills as well. Like 553 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: the hydro static shock from a really fast bullet is 554 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: gonna be significant. Yeah, but but these big heavy guns 555 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: shooting like this are are big for a big game, 556 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: for a big game. The other day to me, I 557 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: had no idea what you're talking about. Hydrostatic Yeah, so 558 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock would be that when and when an animal 559 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: is shot with a bullet, it is not just the 560 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: actual piece of copper and lead going through the vitals 561 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: that kills it like an arrow. Like an arrow, The 562 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: only thing that's killing that animal is there's an arrows 563 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: slicing through, cutting making a hole. But hydrostatic shock is 564 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: that that bullets flying so fast when it slaps something 565 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: with water in it, that water it's pushed out so 566 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: fast that it just like shocks and breaks down the 567 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: electrical system of the animal. Hydrostatic shocks then slap bruising. Yeah. 568 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the best technical definition of 569 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock, but it's an essentially water yeah. Yeah, So 570 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: with a gun you could actually maybe hit and maybe 571 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: the trajectory of the bullet missed the vitals, but potentially 572 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: the hydrostatic shock could could could disrupt their systems so 573 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: much that it's still with that. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Yeah, 574 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean you want to get him in the vitals, 575 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But no, so four and 576 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: thirty grain bulls out of and now you like, you 577 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: like a big caliber and you like shooting iron sights 578 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: a lot just for the heck of it, just kind 579 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: of like just like pretty fun. Yeah, I like it. 580 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: I like it. Um. And so you walk up to 581 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: this moose. You're not carrying a tape measure with you, 582 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: are you? Please tell me you weren't. Okay, we had 583 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: to wait till we got back to town to measure it. Okay, 584 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: but you knew it was Oh yeah, we knew it 585 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: was big, biggest moose you've ever killed, the biggest one 586 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: I've ever seen killed, even okay, even in your guiding. Yeah, okay, 587 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: So tell me about the rest of the antlers. The 588 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: paddle is exceptional. So the paddle would be from the fronts. Yeah, 589 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: we're a big five ft well, so just like, yeah, 590 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: it's got in the world of moose, it's got everything 591 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: you would ever want. And we have some nice ones 592 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: like fifty eight inch yeah. Yeah, we're big paddles. Yeah, 593 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: and this one I was like, makes those one look 594 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: like old baby moses. So for reference too, in Alaska, 595 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: Yukon moss biggest moose in the world. The minimum antler 596 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: requirement is typically, well, you're right, for a non residence 597 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: fifty inches. So I'll ask you, guys, and I mean 598 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: that's a monster moose, yeah, or four four on the 599 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: front or fifty inches such? Right, So so anyway, so 600 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: you kill this massive moose and what did you do? 601 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: Did you go did you start skinning it right away? 602 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: Or about the camp and get Dave? No, everybody else 603 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: we assume heard the shots and we just we actually 604 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: let a fire to get rid of the bugs in 605 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: because you never know who else or what else is 606 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: it in that part of the world. So if you 607 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: have a fire, it's obviously going to be So you 608 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: were worried about gris not worried. But it's nice to 609 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: have a fire away work, because you're gonna be there 610 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: for hours, right, Like this is not like a small 611 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: it's not like a deer. This is like you're gonna 612 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: be there for like six hours working, right, So you 613 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: might as will just start a fire, get a fire going. 614 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned about Devin Jewel hunting 615 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: with him twice here in British Columbia, the man loves fires, 616 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: and so do I. I I would start a fire like 617 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: every morning when I go to the Global headquarters, like 618 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: out in the front, just to have a fire. But 619 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: you have a wood burning stove. No, no, no, I'm 620 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: going to though in your in your heart you have woods. 621 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: So you start a fire, start a fire, and you 622 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: gotta start working. The first thing we did pictures, pictures, okayture, 623 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: there's like an hour, Yeah you're okay, okay, and then 624 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: uh yeah, start start working for sure. Yeah. And what 625 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: time of the day is it? Yes, it is probably 626 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: like two or three, so what time to getting dark? 627 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: A tish a lot of time. Yeah, we actually got 628 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: it all out of there that day, so we did 629 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, everybody showed up, they came to you, Wow, 630 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: did you have any way to communicate, like with they 631 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: just heard this shot? And so here they come eventually, 632 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: probably took him like an hour or something. So then 633 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: so did any of the other guys kill moose? They 634 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: had opportunity to kill moose, but they got cariboo and 635 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: grizzly like kind of we all went out and we 636 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: got a caribou and grizzly well, and then wow, we 637 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: had lots of grizzly opportunity really yeah, and then uh 638 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: they almost got wolverine. And then yeah, they could have 639 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: got smaller, smaller moose, but I mean here, hold note, 640 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: if you go all the way there, you kind of 641 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: you don't get you want a big one, right, Yeah, 642 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: So you were flown into this play. Yeah, and you 643 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: remember if you pull the trigger there, you gotta fly 644 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: all that meat out too. So you don't want to 645 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: just be like we'll shoot three little ones in wonder, right, 646 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: because every time you drop something on the ground, it's 647 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: more more currency to get it out, so cost you 648 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: gotta paid meat. Meat flights cost extra money, right, So wow, 649 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: meat flights, I mean like yeah, so meat flights are 650 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: usually like ha cost but still like a lot money. Yeah. Wow. Man, 651 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: the adventure of that kind of hunt is just almost 652 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: it's just like off the charts. So the opportunity that 653 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: you guys have is BC residents is just it's just crazy, 654 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: it really is. But and all week we've grieved the loss, 655 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: hopefully the temporary loss of the grizzly hunt here in BC. 656 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: On our first day black bear hunting here, we saw 657 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: what we believe was a big male grizz up just 658 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: blow the snow in kind of an avalanche shoot between 659 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: old log day in an avalanche like get the old 660 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: log darea obviously, but it has an avalanche due through it, right, 661 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: So we we saw a big BC grizz And just 662 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: this year political climate of this part of the world 663 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: shifted a bit, and they they without scientific reason, without 664 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: the the the instruction of scientific wildlife management, they chose 665 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: based upon popular emotional opinion to close the grizzly hunt, 666 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: which is kind of a big deal because the reason 667 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: that the North American model for wildlife conservation has been 668 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: the most successful husbandry project of wildlife and the history 669 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: of man time is because we've used scientific wildlife management 670 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: to instruct our decisions about wildlife. And so this is 671 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: totally not that. Yeah, this is just this is just urban. 672 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: This is just urban people that there's more of them 673 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: than there are of us, and they don't understand. They 674 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: didn't understand. I mean, they just don't like the idea 675 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: of grizzly hunting, so they voted it up. So anyway, 676 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: but oh no, we didn't even get to vote. Okay, 677 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: we didn't huh no, we didn't even get to vote. 678 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: They just said that's what was happening. And for that reason, 679 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: I guess what I said, the vote it would be 680 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: that there's an elected official that might not have even 681 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: like we're not even sure if it voted, if it 682 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: would have lost even Yeah, So there's the chance that 683 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: with a regime change in the future that it could 684 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: we could get it back. Do you think that. Oh, yeah, 685 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: for sure if a reasonable government gets back in and 686 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: we would for sure probably have a chance to reopen it. Unreal. Well, 687 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: so that was your twenties, your fall season, just your 688 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: personal hunting, you and your wife, Like, this is not yeah, 689 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: this is just like you and your wife. Um did 690 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: what else did you take last year? Uh? Didn't take 691 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: anything else. My wife shot and her biggest meal dere 692 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh really how big was this? Oh? Alright, one forty 693 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 1: four by four? Nice? Well, awesome, awesome moose. Closing comments 694 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: from the I'll preach your Daniel roupe. Nope, none, No, 695 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: what do you think of what I mean? Haven't been here? 696 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,439 Speaker 1: This is this is dance dance like a sleep over here. 697 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: This is so having. This is your first like adventure 698 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: tip hunt that we're on, because we're on black bear 699 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: hunt right now. It's killed our bears. You hear his 700 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: stories about flying in on the float plane man and 701 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: in hunting in a place where grizz mountain caribou moose, 702 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like, does that not? What's up? I mean 703 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: when I hear the term meat flight, it's just it's 704 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: a whole world that I have no idea about, but 705 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: could really only dream about it. It sounds amazing and awesome. 706 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Devin Jewel closing comments. Yeah, I don't know 707 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 1: what else to say. All legs and no smile, just 708 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: keeping his car dright again his chest. Yeah. All right, 709 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: So we're about to go out and, uh, look for 710 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: a bear. Maybe we don't have bear tags that we're 711 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: gonna look for a bear. We've seen a bear every 712 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,919 Speaker 1: day this week. All right out