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Speaker 2: And now you know for those people who was like,

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Speaker 3: All three of us same spot? Todd fother crats. Ron

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Speaker 1: Let's go that's pretty cool man, hundredth annual.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're so much cool about this, Like I

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Speaker 2: Like, first time streaming live in a hundred years? Is

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Speaker 3: Let's go, you want to would you rather be a

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Speaker 4: It was cool. I had to get them tailored.

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Speaker 4: Great don't be afraid to put it on at the

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Speaker 4: at the Punk Tournament.

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Speaker 1: You got punk, I got the Punk Tournament.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about and it'll be over by then. His

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Speaker 4: So then when you leave the place, the establishment that

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Speaker 3: It be great Todd Father's Punk Tournament. There's some info

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Braves charging the mount Jerkson profar three years,

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Speaker 3: There's some more information from David O'Brien from the Athletic

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna get twelve million dollars this season and

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Speaker 3: I think the Phillies have a postseason problem with their offense.

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Speaker 4: Do how do we look at that? Do we look

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Speaker 4: Most Venezuelans live in Orlando, in Miami, somewhere in Florida

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Speaker 3: It's part of our game for a long time. You're

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Speaker 4: Teams love this. Yeah, and if you ever look into

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to be There's some conflicting reports,

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Speaker 3: I'm buying what some of my friends are selling. Andy

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Speaker 1: Good for him. He's going, he's going up in the world.

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Speaker 3: He hired name that famous comedians writers to put together script.

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I'll give you both sides. Tim Hely said,

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Speaker 2: Smith Listen, I hope he's in contract with one of

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Speaker 4: I think he's really looking for that fourth year and

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Speaker 4: They have the cash, and he is a game changer.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you think of his defense, whatever you think of

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Speaker 4: It's thirty five plus homers. And look at what look

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Speaker 4: I agree, thank you, Sicilian.

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Speaker 3: I agree. The Mets need him. The Blue Jays desperately

431
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: need that kind of thumb the Mets. I really believe.

432
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Speaker 1: That where's where's Laddy gonna go? Though? I know we've

433
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: talked about this, but.

434
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Speaker 3: He's going to Toronto for one year and then he's

435
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 3: promised sure Pete.

436
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Speaker 1: If Pete said they put him at third base.

437
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well you're gonna have a mixture here. You're

438
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: gonna get some third from Bladdie. You're gonna get some first,

439
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 3: and you're gonna get some DH.

440
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Speaker 2: A good mixture, you know, giving Pete a little break

441
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Speaker 2: and then give him Bladdy a little break.

442
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Speaker 4: Gladdy's not DH. No way in Vladdie's camp. Are you

443
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Speaker 4: sitting there to me? If he has one hundred and

444
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 4: fifty games at third base, Look at what a quote

445
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 4: unquote poor defender that plays right field got last year.

446
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 4: It's all about his hitting. So even if he is

447
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: a poor third baseman, nobody ever gets good marks at

448
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: first Look at Christian Walker's like outs above average at

449
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 4: first base?

450
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: Is it not good?

451
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 4: It's not crazy because you just don't accumulate that many

452
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 4: outs above average. Vladimir Guerrera Junior is never going to

453
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Speaker 4: be Matt Chapman to be. Let's say he let's say

454
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 4: he's just a straight average third baseman. An average third

455
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: baseman that has probably seven more years of potential MVP

456
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 4: bat is way more valuable than an average first baseman

457
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 4: with or even a blow average first basement, even a

458
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 4: little above average first baseman with seven years of potential

459
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Speaker 4: MVP bat.

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Speaker 3: I get what you're saying, by the way, So Christian

461
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Speaker 3: Walker was one shy of the lead for outs above

462
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Speaker 3: average with Carlo Santana ahead of him at first base.

463
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Speaker 3: But there's a world of center fielders, shortstops and second

464
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 3: basemen ahead of them. Right Their numbers were thirteen and fourteen.

465
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Speaker 3: I mean, you had a fifteen, sixteen's eighteens.

466
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 4: Nine and what was Christian Christian Walker's.

467
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: Santana was fourteen, Christian Walker was thirteen. Yeah, they don't

468
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Speaker 3: get the same type of value.

469
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Speaker 4: When you're talking about value that I mean, we were

470
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Speaker 4: talking about the off season. That's how teams look at it.

471
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Speaker 4: What kind of value is this guy bringing as far

472
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Speaker 4: as first baseman goes Carlo Santana Christian Walker easily. You know,

473
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Speaker 4: the best outs above average there, but they're not sniffing

474
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Speaker 4: what the Blue Jays just picked up with Andre Semenez.

475
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: So for Vladdie's camp, he has to want to play third. Hey,

476
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 4: you're going to DH today, Vlattie, He's gonna be like,

477
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Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think so. He wants

478
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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty two games, he wants thirty pumps.

479
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Speaker 4: He wants to hit three ten with a four to

480
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: twenty on base percentage.

481
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Speaker 3: You wanted to get him a few dh DA's just

482
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: to as a team get off his legs.

483
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, a team, I definitely will.

484
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Speaker 3: He'll take a few. It's not gonna make a difference

485
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: if he takes a few. Didn't Soto do any dhdas

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: last year.

487
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: He's still young.

488
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: I don't know. I didn't look at I look at

489
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Speaker 4: it twenty six.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't no more than five for Soto if.

491
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Speaker 3: That's all I'm asking for. I'm just saying, I don't

492
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Speaker 3: think that's a big deal, and that's going day.

493
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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, I don't know. I mean

494
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Speaker 4: to me, I think that number is one fifty if

495
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: you're playing less than one fifty, and if he can

496
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Speaker 4: play one to fifty out of no.

497
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Speaker 3: Dhs, no dh DA's for Soto last year.

498
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Speaker 4: They I just think there is an understanding. John Schneider,

499
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 4: my good buddy with one hundred percent understand If Laddie said, Poppy,

500
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: I've known you since the minor leagues. This is my

501
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: walk here. You can't take money off my table.

502
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: Love it.

503
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Speaker 4: And to me, Dhing takes money off his table. Now

504
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: he can play first all year. If they don't get Pete,

505
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 4: we're kind of making it like Pete's already there. He

506
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: can make money at first, he canna make way more

507
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 4: as a third basement because it's not just awful awful

508
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: at third. It's not elite, but it's not awful. And

509
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: if he believes he can be good, I wouldn't bet

510
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: against him.

511
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: Agreed, Toronto, you can make a case, said the best

512
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: defense in baseball in the past two seasons, they've been

513
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: that good. So I'm going to say we can take

514
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: one step back so that we can have thumpers like

515
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: Santander and beat a lot though and they's bounce it out. Okay,

516
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: you need more thump in the Al East. I like

517
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: the Santander saying, I don't care what he does in

518
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 3: years four and five. The Blue Jays need to get

519
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: back on track now while they've got Laddie and bow

520
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: for one more season. Are they a World Series looking team? No,

521
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: but I think they at least need to put a

522
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 3: playoff contender together. And last year's team was not that.

523
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: You looked at that team on paper like this is

524
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: not a playoff contender, And that's what happened.

525
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: They didn't make the playoffs.

526
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Speaker 3: They did not They finished in last place in the division.

527
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't a lot of additions that they needed.

528
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Speaker 4: They didn't need to make it a lot of additions, right,

529
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 4: acted Chapman. So they lost that defense. They subtracted Belt,

530
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: which never got a job anyway. That's a whole nuther.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But okay, Santander, Pete, Jeff Hoffman, Andre Semenez, that's

532
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: a good offseason. We're crapping on some teams doing nothing.

533
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: That would be a really good off season. To Menez

534
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: is a freaking stud at second base, and he can

535
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: play shortstop when Bo leaves. Okay, Pete to add to Vladdie,

536
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: Bo's gonna bounce back. Bar Show will return at some

537
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: point this season. Santander is gonna give you, if he's healthy,

538
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: thirty five plus home runs and great clubhouse five. Same

539
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 3: with Pete two, the clubhouse boost on top of the

540
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: power plus Hoffman in the bullpen morale. They think is

541
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: probably more of a short thing than Jordan Romano, who

542
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: had troublestand on the field lately.

543
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: And listen when when things go well, all of a sudden,

544
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: the Bob comes back alive a little bit. Oh yeah,

545
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: you want to you know, all of it's contagious. I

546
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: I promise you that hitting is contagious.

547
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: We have a pull up on the chat. What free

548
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: agent is most likely to not signed by the start

549
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: of spring training? Bregman, Pete, Alonzo, Max Schurzer, Jack Flaherty.

550
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: I voted pick one.

551
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: Flaherty, Dick.

552
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: I picked Flaherty too, Really I did? I voted already Kai.

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: We just had him on the show yesterday. But it's

554
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: not about who I think should be signed last. It's

555
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: based on this situation. Pete's been tied to a lot

556
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: of rumors lately. It sounds like something's going to happen soon, right.

557
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: I think Bregman's situation is going to get figured out

558
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: pretty soon. Max Schurz is an easier case because we

559
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: know he's signing a one year contract and it's going

560
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: to be in the eight to fifteen million dollar range

561
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: depending on how teams are looking at his medicals. Fifteen

562
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: is the going rate for I feel good about medicals.

563
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: It's an aging vet. It's Alex Cobb, it's Justin Burlander,

564
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: it's Charlie Morton. So that's kind of the cap there,

565
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: and maybe it's you know, a little lower, based on

566
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: how teams feel about his medicals because he hasn't pitched

567
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: much lately. Jack's a more complicated case.

568
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: And Jack said it. We heard it from his mouth. Yeah, dog,

569
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: nobody's calling me. They're calling me to see like how

570
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: I'm doing. His words, how are you doing?

571
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bad, that's bad.

572
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: Like, don't call me, don't ask me how I'm.

573
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: Doing, because you know what the call is about how

574
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: are you doing. Oh you don't have anything. Oh, well

575
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: you can come here for a one year deal.

576
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: How are you doing, dude, I'm stressed. I can't believe it.

577
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: I don't have any offers. We'll take you.

578
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's dirty biz, but he'll get it figured

579
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: out that. Here's here's one more reason why I think

580
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: Jack fits that list. What happens in spring training more

581
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: than anything else.

582
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 4: Injuries.

583
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: Arm injuries has come back and they fall like flies.

584
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: So you might have one team that loses a couple

585
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: of star and says, oh crap, and that happens.

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: And it's not just Scott saying that there's injuries. Literally,

587
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: the number is like twenty seven percent of arm injuries

588
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: for pitchers happen in spring training.

589
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: Yep, that's crazy.

590
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: Jack should be signed already. If your team really wants

591
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: to win, they say.

592
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: I agree, all right. Uh. Let's also get to a

593
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: couple of notes. We have a quote here from Chris

594
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: Getz saying, the gem of the White Sox they've done

595
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: most of the heavy lifting fighting to the roster, possibility

596
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: for an addition here and there. Most of these teams

597
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: are waiting for a couple prices to come down and

598
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: see if they can grab a veteran or two.

599
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: Which part of the heavy lifting of the White Sox. Hey,

600
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: they've done more than the Marlins.

601
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: I mean, and I love and the Mariners, I love.

602
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: The son I love Mike Tops, But what is is

603
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: the heavy lifting? Like the heavy lifting? What do you care?

604
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: What did they do?

605
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: Not sure?

606
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: Were they even involved in a big trade outside of

607
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: the Garrett Crochet trade like.

608
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: That lifting prospects.

609
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: You did nothing for your big league team exactly, and

610
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 4: I think you might have set your big league team

611
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: back because who's gonna eat the innings? You have to

612
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: lift somebody.

613
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Somebody has to come in and you're in rotating door.

614
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: You're just gonna bring triple A.

615
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: Hey, are you struggled next to redouble?

616
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna redouble down on my on my over under

617
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: for wins for the toss.

618
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: It's tough, you feel, you know, if you're a play

619
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: on there, you're great. You're playing in the big leagues.

620
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, it's great. But it's gonna be like, ah,

621
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: here we go again.

622
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: The issue a lot of the issue they had last year,

623
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: where it probably was tough as a player was the

624
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: bullpen would come in, so yeah, same as the Rockies.

625
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 4: You'd be like, we got three your on lead. I

626
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: don't think it's enough never, and I just think that

627
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: I think that's where some heavy lifting needs to be done.

628
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: Like you still have some big league contracts that need

629
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: to go to starting pitchers, bullpen guys. Let the position

630
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: players learn, Let Kyle TiAl come in and catch, let

631
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: him learn, learn behind Corey Lee or like kind of

632
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: with Corey Lee, and they eventually take that position.

633
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: Over in the weeds. Two hundred thousand dollars for your

634
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: friend Carlan. Let's talk about Epeman Zuhara's case. So there's

635
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: some seriousness here, but there's also some ridiculousness. Prosecutors recommend

636
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: a five year sentence for eBay, the former interpreter for

637
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: Shoho Tani, and seventeen million dollars in restitution. So pay

638
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: back to a Tani plus a little over one million

639
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: dollars back to the irs plus a two hundred dollars fine.

640
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: I think he can only pay the two hundred dollars fine.

641
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding on that one. I mean, he

642
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: doesn't have money. He's in debt. Sentencing is February sixth,

643
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: so it's coming up. He already was pleading guilty to

644
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: bank fraud and filing false tax returns after stealing seventeen

645
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: mil from Otani. For the people out there that have

646
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: been the conspiracy theorists, look, I love a good conspiracy theory,

647
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: but this dude stole money from Otani and Otani didn't

648
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: know about it. He's dumb rich. He's not paying attention

649
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: to every cent. Look up the hundreds, if not thousands

650
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: of cases of when this has happened to rock stars,

651
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: music people, actors, athletes, et cetera. We have a little

652
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: piece of audio from eBay calling Sho Hayes Bank and

653
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: pretending that he was Shoh giving money to Epay for

654
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: his two hundred thousand dollars car Loan. So here was

655
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: the audio released yesterday. The Athletic did amazing reporting on this.

656
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: Evandralic I think Sam Blom and others involved. But here's

657
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: the minute clip.

658
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: Who am I speaking with? I'll show her o'kanne, thank you?

659
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: How man I help you?

660
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: So?

661
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I'll try to.

662
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: Log into a lone banking and it told me that's

663
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: not available to me at this time.

664
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 5: The call sure I can take a look into that already,

665
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 5: and could you tell me the name of the payee

666
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: and the amount of the transaction please?

667
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: What person on YouTube?

668
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 5: Yes, it's for two hundred thousand dollars, thank you already. Now,

669
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 5: recently we come across the trend of fraud and scams,

670
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 5: so we had been monitoring the online transactions closely to

671
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: make sure our clients are not the victim of either.

672
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: What is the reason for this transaction for.

673
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: A car loan?

674
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 5: Okay? You said it's for a car loan? Yep, okay.

675
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: What is your relationship to the paye?

676
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: Oh, he's work fun.

677
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: Shame shameful. Wow, that's bad. It's a lot of money.

678
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: That also was not all going to gambling, because that's

679
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: the case he's trying to make for a shorter sentence

680
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: that you know, he was being over worked underpaid. He

681
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: made eighty K when the Angels first hired him, then

682
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: bumped it up to two fifty K, and twenty twenty

683
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: two Dodgers payroll had him at five hundred K. Plus.

684
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: Otany gave him a Porsche to drive around as a gift.

685
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: Plus Otany was paying him separately on the side as well.

686
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: Additional money. He did not just steal money to pay

687
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: off debt. There was proof of him getting money for

688
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: dental work sixty g's, among many other personal expenses three

689
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: hundred twenty five thousand dollars by baseball cards on eBay.

690
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: So we learned a lot in the reporting yesterday.

691
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't this is this is low. This is real low.

692
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: I mean, man, you can you kind of hear it

693
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: in his voice a little bit. He sounds kind of

694
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: nervous doing it. But at the same time, it's you

695
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: got to remember one thing. Everything is clearly being recorded,

696
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: even when they say please hold well, you're going to

697
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: be recorded on everything.

698
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: So oh, without a doubt.

699
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: So his call is being recorded because he rang man

700
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: that is.

701
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Down his own this would this would drive me off

702
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: the roof.

703
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: Lucky enough, he's got more money than anybody in the

704
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: that I know of, but not it's it's just it's

705
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: it's low.

706
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: It's a low blow.

707
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: It hurts, you know, And now you know for those

708
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: people who were like, oh man, to show hey, was

709
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: you know doing this and that you know it this

710
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: It wasn't it this guy.

711
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: We they got audio on him.

712
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: This is really this hurts because you bring somebody into

713
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: the circle. Man, your inner circles tight, yours is tight,

714
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: so his mind and he must have been part of

715
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: that inner circle, and he went and did him dirty

716
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: like that.

717
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: That's that's unforgivable.

718
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 4: And the whole argument of didn't make enough, you know,

719
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: underpaid the five hundred thousand, we're not even talking about that.

720
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: The eighty thousand, eighty thousand dollars living the big league

721
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: lifestyle guys have a tough time because they're around so much.

722
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: You're going to nice dinners, you're going to you have

723
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: to live in Anaheim wherever they lived. It's expensive. The

724
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 4: difference is a lot of the not all the interpreters,

725
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: a lot of the interpreters that I know and became

726
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: friends with. All that stuff was paid for. The eighty

727
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: was just they pretty much pocketed all eighty thousand.

728
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Right, they pay for your whole life, including as some

729
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: people are pointing out in the chat, and they're right.

730
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: I read the article. So Otani gave him sixty g's

731
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: to pay for dental work. He then kept that and

732
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: then used Otani's debit card to pay for this, so

733
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: he doubled up. He was doing this left and right. Yeah,

734
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: but it wasn't. But that's not your sickness when you're

735
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: stealing money for everything. The US government said, this is

736
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: a case of greed and stealing money. So that's where

737
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: the battle is in terms of you know him then

738
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: putting out his reply to what was going on, he said,

739
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: you know, he was on call twenty four to seven.

740
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: Severely underpaid. That was one in there that I think

741
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: would hurt for most Americans to be able to read,

742
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: like bro severely underpaid.

743
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: Can't do that.

744
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: That's a tough.

745
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: One, like, especially what's going on in the world.

746
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, your legal team messed up on that. When we

747
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: get it. Otani's rich as hell, but like you were

748
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: getting paid pretty well to be an assistant, you know,

749
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: like I had to get his mail, I had to

750
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: do his grocery shopping. Okay, Well, two things. One, you

751
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: can get help. With the amount of money that you

752
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: were making, you can hire help. Also, there are tools

753
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: available like Hungry Root for your personal shopping. I'm serious,

754
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: you can order your groceries. You're making five hundred plus

755
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: g's with a car and then additional money from your dude.

756
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: You do not have to be hitting up the grocery

757
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: store yourself. When did he come out with all these quotes?

758
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Was this recently? This was last night? Yeah, that's what

759
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean.

760
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: I only show hope in life while I was gambling

761
00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: from ipis epe excuse me Epay's mouth, that's coming from

762
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: that's coming from his attorney or something. Yeah, you can't there.

763
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: They're trying to play it in a different role, like

764
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: he was the he was the bad guy. Yeah, n

765
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: that he wasn't the bad guys.

766
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: Just feels maybe. I mean, prison's a big deal, but

767
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 4: five years doesn't sound doesn't sound too crazy.

768
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: He's getting deported to although Japan's an awesome country, but

769
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: he's getting sent back to Japan, I guess after the sentence, So,

770
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I read everything there was to read about this,

771
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: you know, and he even was putting some things out

772
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 3: there in this that I thought was a low blow,

773
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: like getting really specific, like grocery shopping. Okay, I told

774
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: you how, that's ridiculous, checking mailbox that takes what eight

775
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: seconds per day? Fixing his bicycle Okay, you can hire

776
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: someone for that. Accompany him when he went to I

777
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: guess his hometown to visit his family. That's cool. A

778
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: lot of people would take that perk take his dog

779
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: to the vet and to the groomer. Can hire someone

780
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: to help you with that, or you can do it

781
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: as a nice friend. It's not like something you're doing

782
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: every single day. Helping him out with food, okay, dropping

783
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: them off at dinners and stuff. Can get a car

784
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: service that you can be with him for. Like, all

785
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 3: of these things just sounded ridiculous. And the last one

786
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: that I hated the most was helped coordinate Japanese and

787
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: US lawyers for his marriage prenup and attended the meetings.

788
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: Did we need you to say that out loud? That's

789
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: messed up? So anyway, I read a lot here. I

790
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure we took some time on this,

791
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: but it's kind of gross. The letter reply was the

792
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: worst part for me, because I get it they have

793
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: to state their case back and say, hey, I pled guilty.

794
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 3: But this is why I don't deserve as many months

795
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: as what the prosecutors are throwing out there. But I'm like,

796
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: there were some things in that letter that were not

797
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: necessary to point out and I don't think shed better

798
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: light on you. There were some things where it's like,

799
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: I apologize. This is the ultimate shame. There's things in

800
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: there that you always should say in this case, but

801
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: some of the other private details were unnecessary and made

802
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: you sound bougie and greedy.

803
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: Not relatable, not relatable, not relatable at all. And the

804
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 4: last thing I have to say is if you really

805
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: do think Show had something to do with all of

806
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 4: this gambling and it's like it's a cover up, just

807
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: go read this stuff. Go read this stuff. This is

808
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: not a Major League Baseball report. Major League Baseball is

809
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: not covering anything up for Show. Hey, this is all

810
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: federal government, nothing to do with major League Baseball.

811
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: That's the last thing, right, This was a federal investigation

812
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: that sounded like it was pretty easy because there was

813
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: evidence all over the place to be able to handle this.

814
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: And my last point is that when you talk to

815
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: most people around the Dodgers, players, front office, people, people

816
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: that work around the team, they say Otan for the

817
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: short period of time that they had Otani with Epay,

818
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: he is a different person without him, because EPA was

819
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: controlling his life and not allowing any access to Otani

820
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: himself without it going through him. Because even probably covering

821
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: all this crap up, so it caused a really tough situation,

822
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: and I feel for a player that has to deal

823
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: with that stuff when he's in another country and it's

824
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: not his primary language and someone is just absolutely scamming

825
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: his life. We can cover one little front office see

826
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: ownership kind of quote during the break here, since we're

827
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: going to get into some of this stuff with our

828
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: next guest. But David Rubinstein, who's the owner of the Orioles,

829
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: he's he's in the media a lot, I think, even

830
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: as a show. So he was talking about the Os

831
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: the other day, and this was the quote that he

832
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: told Yahoo Finance. He said, what we have in baseball

833
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: is a luxury tax. In effect, if you go over

834
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: with a higher payroll, you have to pay a penalty

835
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: that goes to other teams. It's not a perfect system,

836
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: it's better than nothing. At some point, I suspect we'll

837
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: have something close to what the NFL and NBA have

838
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: no guarantee of that. Later quote. Big city teams have

839
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: some advantage advantage. Later quote, we have a payroll that

840
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: is consistent to our needs. I don't think anyone is

841
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: not playing with the Orioles because of money reasons. The

842
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: last one was the toughest one for me.

843
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 4: What The whole thing is just we're not going to

844
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: get close. We're not going to get close to what

845
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: the NFL has. He is a new owner. He has

846
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: not sat in these meetings as far as I know,

847
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: unless he was like somebody on some executive board that

848
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: he was like a guest, you know, to these meetings.

849
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: But he has not sat on these meetings. Oh, you're not.

850
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: This isn't the nineties. We're not we're not getting the

851
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 4: salary cap. It's not happening. You've gotten the soft cap.

852
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: You don't want a soft floor, clearly. But the last sentence,

853
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone is not playing with the Orioles

854
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: because of money reasons. First of all, it's a double negative.

855
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone is not playing. So you can't

856
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: trust anybody that smiles when they say sorry and uses

857
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: double negatives. What there's a lot of people that there's

858
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: a lot of people that would like to play with

859
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 4: the Orioles right now. There are free agents that would

860
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: love to play for this team and hit dingers in

861
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: the new ports that back in. That's that's a that

862
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: is a he did not bedfield statement one hundred.

863
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: They have a good squad. Why wouldn't anybody want to

864
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: play for them? I don't when it comes to yeah.

865
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got to offer more than someone else.

866
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: This has been the money. It is money reasons, money,

867
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: it's always money reason.

868
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: They got smashed slash trade deadline and what happened?

869
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: You saw they fizzled? Yeah, fizzle. Yeah.

870
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: They've added a lot of payroll. But I'll still stay

871
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: on the record here where I give them credit for that.

872
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: But spending money has to be done wisely. And I

873
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: don't like the moves that they've made.

874
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: No, I don't like it.

875
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: Good team should be better. All right, let's slap. We

876
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: got Todd Father's Punk Tournament coming up this weekend. Todd Father. Obviously,

877
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: it all goes to a great cause. We were there

878
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: last year. We're sending some ft fam there this year,

879
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: hopefully continue the legacy of not winning.

880
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: It was your first year last year.

881
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

882
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: It's great going. As you can see.

883
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: It goes to a good cause with the Children's Specialized

884
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Hospital for kids with special needs, and it's gonna be

885
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: another good one. We have almost sold out again. We're

886
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: waiting on four other teams, which is really good. And

887
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot of prizes, free pizza. The pizzas the

888
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: size of aircrat, So one or two slices, we'll do.

889
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: Really, you just cut it in half that yeah, exactly

890
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: crat size.

891
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be a fun time, less than twenty

892
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: four hours away, a lot of great sponsors and community

893
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: effort all around.

894
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: So it's gonna third annual.

895
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: Pretty excited again, Yeah exactly, a little pong and then

896
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: there's a cash bar.

897
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: You can have fun, hang out there as long as

898
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you want.

899
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: So there were some new details about the robot i'mps

900
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: coming to spring training, so over sixty percent of spring

901
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: games are going to feature the automated strike zone. This

902
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: came out about an hour before the show started. Evondrolic

903
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: with the report in the Athletic the Diamondbacks get the

904
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: most ABS usage. They'll get twenty nine games, most in

905
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: the league.

906
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Boohoo.

907
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 3: Cubs fans only get seven chances to watch the ABS

908
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: system in the spring training action. Now change wise, this

909
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: was put out there by the league. They wanted everyone

910
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: to know that you're going to notice a difference in

911
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: the zone during particular counts, and some players or coaches

912
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: or fans might be like, well, the zones the chain

913
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: the same at all times. Well, no, it's not. If

914
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: we're going off of research, umpires are supposed to have

915
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: the same zone at all times, but that doesn't actually happen.

916
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: According to data that the league included in their presentation.

917
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: At the big league level, the human zone on a

918
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: three to zero count typically measures five hundred and fifty

919
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: square inches. On a zero to count, the zone is

920
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: four intred twelve square inches.

921
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: Well, zone is supposed to be four.

922
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: Forty three, and that's what it's set for the A

923
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: B S. You're confused, this is angry, is angry about

924
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: the data?

925
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: Terrible?

926
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: You're just finding out that umpires call.

927
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. I had no clue about this. This is

928
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: this is terrible.

929
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: Well, it's not amazing. I know umpires do it. But

930
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: here's pretend my notebook strike zone. If it goes off

931
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: of here, it's a ball, goes off here, anywhere the

932
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: ball hits on this plate. If this is a plate,

933
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 2: it's a strike.

934
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: Todd fathers, I mean, I don't I don't understand.

935
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: His instructor at an umpire camp.

936
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

937
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: Let's bring this fire off the plate.

938
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 4: It's a ball, Todd Todd me major instant reaction to

939
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 4: this ridiculous.

940
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: Wait, but they're cleaning this up with the A B

941
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: s because a BS doesn't have feelings of motion.

942
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Or is there going to be an umpire behind the plate? Yes? Yeses,

943
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: and he calls it a ball.

944
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: Or strike the machine tells him and then to say,

945
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: then that's the result.

946
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I wonder what Joe West was thinking about this, Todd.

947
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: How much did it make you mad when umpire when

948
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: you were like, that's a ball, that's off, and he

949
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 4: goes it was a good pitch, Todd?

950
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: How much it's a good pitch because catchers like you

951
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: go let me get the glove on.

952
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: They catch it and go catch let me damn like that,

953
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: and they bring it in.

954
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: I just saw Salvadore Presidence catching practice, caught it and

955
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: brings it up about a foot.

956
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: It's a ball, You ask him, this.

957
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 4: Is this is?

958
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous?

959
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: What part's ridiculous?

960
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Though? This is good?

961
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: We're going to fix it.

962
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 4: Good that they're they're fixing it.

963
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh there, I would hope they're fixing.

964
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: If the plate is here, if two vase hitting, if

965
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: josel two base hitting, that's a strike zone. If areacrats

966
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: is hitting. This is a strike. That's how it should be.

967
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't I don't this little inches crap, This is boloney.

968
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to hear it. Sorry,

969
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: Whether it's fixing it or not, the strike zone is

970
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: different for each guy. Okay, get it. It's for this level,

971
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: in and out it's the same. Up and down is different. Okay,

972
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: just make it bigger for bigger people and find out

973
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: where where that top zone is and bottom zone is.

974
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: The analytical part is just this drives me crazy, man, stupid.

975
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: Sorry, but but the human element of judging three oh

976
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: versus O two is gone.

977
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: That's good, that's great. Yeah, because the umpires they missed

978
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: a lot of calls.

979
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah great, three to oh strike is going to be

980
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: the same as an O two strike. A three oh

981
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: ball is going to be the same as a no two.

982
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: Balls, So you won't see umpires are just waiting to

983
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: get buzzed. Yes, don't like it.

984
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I like the human element and I like a player

985
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: being the head.

986
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: Man alf am I lost about Yeah, I don't think

987
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: you're reading this right.

988
00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.

989
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 4: You like the human element, but this is telling you

990
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: that the human element is.

991
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want a buzzer. I want the

992
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: umbarco strike. But now I got that off. Let me

993
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: let me look.

994
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: Oh, so you want the challenges.

995
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: I want the challenges though I don't want I don't,

996
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't I want, I want human I want humannature.

997
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: Wasn't I wasn't sure where you were going. Now I

998
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: got you.

999
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: I want the ump part to say and ball and

1000
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: Eric's like, ah, let me check. Can you check that

1001
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: one for me? I got that one on the knees

1002
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: boom strike.

1003
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the human element part. Man,

1004
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: it takes away from the game.

1005
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: So they're testing the automated zone so players can get

1006
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: used to that. But ultimately what I predict will happen

1007
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: is in twenty twenty six we will get the automated

1008
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: zone based on a challenge system. So this is to

1009
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: get players comfortable with the fact that the zone's going

1010
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: to be a little different for you in certain instances.

1011
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: So let's make sure that we get all the flaws

1012
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: out of the system if there are any concerns and

1013
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: complaints in spring training, and then once we get this

1014
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: data and this feedback in this current sp training in

1015
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. You will see the challenge system Sir,

1016
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: I believe that was a ball, not a strike. That's

1017
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: a little bit of this. Yeah, and they go, Mikey,

1018
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: are you sure. Aaron Judge is up next, and we

1019
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: only have one challenge left, so if you are wrong,

1020
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: we're releasing you.

1021
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: No, all good, Oh, you only get a certain amount

1022
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: of challenges and away we go.

1023
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be one of the most

1024
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: entertaining additions to the game.

1025
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: The fans are gonna be like, oh, just like in tennis,

1026
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: I love that freaking awesome, and oh it's a ball.

1027
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, some fans in check. We've all been to playoff

1028
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: games where the pitches off the plate and fans are like.

1029
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: You're gonna be at home challenging challenge, you know what

1030
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean. It's gonna be more entertaining.

1031
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: It's gonna be awesome, though, because I don't can see

1032
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: the zone.

1033
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: I don't like getting buzzed in. Don't don't buzz. Don't

1034
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: buzz anybody only they don't want buzz is the top

1035
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: of my head sometimes.

1036
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: When we're watching TV that we see the zone better

1037
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: than umpires do. Fact or fiction.

1038
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: Depends on who's watching.

1039
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: I don't agree with that. The angles are different at

1040
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: different stadium.

1041
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's coming, it's coming this way, and not.

1042
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: Get enamored with that box.

1043
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, boxes and exactly boxes and all be all yeah,

1044
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: it's good.

1045
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: I don't know if we see it differently, sorry, see

1046
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: it better?

1047
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: All right, Well we're gonna find out. I think I'm

1048
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: right most of the time, and so do most fans,

1049
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: So challenge systems coming. This is the first step. Great

1050
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: reporting from evandrel in his story and the athletic and

1051
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: ft fam.

1052
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: That's it.

1053
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: You got a few bonus minutes from us. Happy Friday.

1054
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: We will see you tomorrow night, seven fifteen Easter time.

1055
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: Please join us, join us live. We will introduce some

1056
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: VIPs in baseball current and past. See you then one

1057
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: more sleep