1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: This show discusses cold case murders and the people who 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: spend their lives fighting for justice. We hope to raise 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: public awareness and invite witnesses to come forward with evidence 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: that could potentially be investigated by law enforcement. We also 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: remind listeners that everyone has pursued innocent until proven guilty 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: in a court of law, and that an arrest is 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: not a conviction. Nothing in the podcast is intended to 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: state or imply that anyone who has not been convicted 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: of a crime is guilty of any wrongdoing. Regina Talibert 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: will never forget her fifty fourth birthday, October sixteenth, twenty fifteen. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: Her youngest daughter, Ursia, had surprised her that morning with 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: a present of Laus and a bottle of perfume. Regina 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: remembers gently chiding her, telling her to save her money. 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: ATOA, I say, sweetheart, you don't have to. Please, don't 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: spend your money on me. You getting ready to. 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Go to college. Had recently been accepted to the University 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: of Central Florida and was planning to study nursing. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: And she looked at me and gave put her arms 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: around me and kissed me on it. You tell me, mommy, 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: you know I love you. You're my favorite girl. 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: The next night, Saturday, October seventeenth, Regina was home with 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: her fiance and her granddaughter in Florida City, a town 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: in southern Miami Dade County. Narisia had borrowed her car 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: to go out to eat with some friends at a 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: restaurant in nearby Homestead. Regina knew her daughter wouldn't be 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: out too late, she never was, but she was surprised 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: she hadn't checked in, especially since she had called Nursia 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: earlier to ask her to run. 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: An errand I wanted her to go to calls and 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: pay my bill for me, because I was so glad 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: she started driving and I was thanking God. I say Lord, 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: she could handle a lot of my business for me. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: But Nourisia didn't pick up, and now she hadn't heard 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: from her, and that was unusual. 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: And I'd call her, but she isn't like her not 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: to call me back. 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Later that night, Regina did receive a phone call, but 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: not from Narisia. It was from one of her other children. 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: My son was crying and I asked him, I said, well, 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: what's going on? And he said, Mom, you got to 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: come over to the alley and I said for what 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: And he said, Norsa, you got shot. So I say, 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: should I meet you to a hospital? 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: What? 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know where she got shot. I was thinking 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: maybe an almeda sun And he said, Mom, you need 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: to come to the alley. And I said, where's the alley? 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: The alley was a notorious block in Florida City, a 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: spot known for drug deals and sometimes violence. Regina, a 50 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: church going woman, wasn't familiar with the nickname, but her granddaughter, 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: who was only four months younger than Nourisia, knew exactly 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: what it meant. 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: And my granddaughter said, Nana, I know where it is. 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: So we got in the car and we went over there. 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: A crowd had already gathered on Northwest eighth Court the alley. 56 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: And when I tell you, when I got there, all 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: I could see is lights from the police, the red lights. 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: I kind of went a little blind, like a little bit, 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, my nerves just I was moving 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: in slow motion, constantly moving in slow motion. It was 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: so many people, and her friend was coming up screaming 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: and hollering, and everybody was trying to console me. 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Regina was in a daze. She tried to make her 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: way towards where her daughter was. 65 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: I got over there and the police is they wouldn't 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: let me go close to my car, and it just 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: was it was terrib I could see them taking my 68 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: baby out the car and they was working on her, but. 69 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: There was nothing anyone could do. 70 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: And then after a while, you know, I saw them 71 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: put the yellow that yellow cover over on her and 72 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe it. I mean, I can't really 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: describe that feeling, but it's a feeling that you will 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: always remember. Yeah, that's a plain. I don't wish shaw 75 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: any mother, our father. 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Regina's worst nightmare had come true. Her considerate, responsible daughter, 77 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: her future nurse, Nourisia was gone. She was only seventeen 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: years old. From School of Humans and iHeart podcast. This 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: is Cold Case Files Miami. I'm your host, Enbriques Santos. 80 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: The evening of October seventeenth, twenty fifteen, Miami Dade Police 81 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: Departments Severe Khan had already finished his shift as a 82 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: homicide detective. He was at the movies with his daughter 83 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: when he received a call that there'd been an incident 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: in Florida City. 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: Multiple people had called nine one one, so we all 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: responded to the location. 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: Detective Khan rushed to the alley where patrol officers had 88 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: already closed off the area. He was soon brought up 89 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: to speed. There had been a shooting. Three people, all teenagers, 90 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: had been in the car, Regina's car. Two of them 91 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: had been shot and one of them, Laurisia, had been killed. 92 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: We were informed that one person who had injury to 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: his arm, he was a gunshot wound to his arm, 94 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: was transported to one hospital, while the victim was diseased 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: on scene. When the victim was stopped, she had not 96 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 3: put her car in park, so when she gets shot, 97 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: her foot comes loose off of the brake pedal and 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: her vehicle basically went into the field, went over a 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: curb and onto the roadway and then struck a tree. 100 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 3: That's where she came to stop. 101 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: The police began investigating immediately. 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: Whenever we have a homicide like that, we're doing area 103 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: canvas and we try to talk to everybody who's in 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: that vicinity. 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: They went door to door asking if they had seen anything. 106 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: And everybody said, you know, they didn't see anything. They 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: only heard gunshots. So basically that night up until the 108 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: next morning, we were not able to get anywhere with 109 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: our investigation. We had no leaves, we had no information 110 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: except that a vehicle had driven by and the shots 111 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 3: were fired from their vehicle. There was no other information. 112 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Despite this, detectives were still able to piece together what 113 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: they believed had occurred that night. 114 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 3: So Lwizia Talbert happened to be there dropping off friends, 115 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: a female friend and a male friend who were in 116 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: the car with her. She had just gotten theirs and 117 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: while she was dropping them off, a boy came up 118 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: to her and he was talking to her through the 119 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: drawer side window. At that time, Basically, somebody drove up 120 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: and started shooting at them. Lurissia was not the target 121 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: of the shooting. She just caught up multiple straight bullets. 122 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: The individuals that were being targeted were the people who 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: were at the location who lived in that vicinity. 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: Detective con spoke to the friends who were in the 125 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: car with Mauricia when this happened, but neither could offer 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: much information. 127 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: One of the victims, she told us that she did 128 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: not see anything because she was looking down on her phone. 129 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: So we tried to ask her who was a victim 130 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: talking to or I don't know, I was looking at 131 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: my phone. Who was standing outside when you got to 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: the alley, Or I don't know, I was looking at 133 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: my phone. So everything that we asked her about the 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: answer was the same, Oh, I don't know, I was 135 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: looking at my phone. The same thing goes for the 136 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: passenger who got shot in the arm. He said the 137 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: same thing, I don't know, I was looking at my phone. 138 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Sergeant Cohn found this explanation dubious and it frustrated him. 139 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: This was their friend, and she was there not for 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: herself but for one of them to drop them off, 141 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: and they were basically not giving us any information whatsoever. 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: That was really heartbreaking. 143 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: As investigat continue to try to find someone who might 144 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: be willing to tell them what they saw. Detective Khan 145 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: went to speak with Regina. 146 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: I met her the very next day, the morning after 147 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: the shooting. 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: He had some questions to ask her about Nourisia. But 149 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: he also had another reason for his visit. 150 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: When we examined the victor's body, any kind of jewelry, 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: any kind of person belongings they have on them. We 152 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: have to retreat those belongers and give them to the parent. 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: He bought all of her jewelry, her earrings, and the 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: things she had on her and her glasses that had 155 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: blood on it. That's the worst pain that I have 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: really experience in my life. I mean, I just can't 157 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: believe that baby was gone. 158 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: If you're in Miami and you head south on the 159 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: Florida Turnpike, after about an hour, you'll reach Florida City. 160 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: It's a small town with flat, low slung buildings. In 161 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: twenty two twenty four, its population was around thirteen thousand people. 162 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: It's also the very last exit before you hit US one, 163 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: the highway that leads down to Q West. Most people 164 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: don't stop in Florida City on their way down to 165 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: the Keys. It may share a county with Miami, but 166 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: it feels much further away. There's not a lot to do. 167 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: The entrance to the Everglades National Park is nearby. There's 168 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: also Robert Is here, the Tropical fruit stand, famous for 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: its Guanabana milkshakes and the claim of having the quote 170 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: southernmost purple Martin House in the Continental US. Nearby Homestead 171 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: is a little bigger. There's a movie theater, a motor 172 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: speedway strip, malls, and tons of housing developments In various 173 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: states of construction. The area is quickly becoming more and 174 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: more suburban, but there's still plenty of open space and 175 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: not much shade, no ocean breeze to cool things off. 176 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: The sunlight here has a weight of viscosity. Everything feels slower. 177 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Florida City is the kind of place where people know 178 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: each other, where life is quieter, more peaceful. It's also 179 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: the kind of place where, depending on the kind of 180 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: person you are, growing up there might make you dream big, 181 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: want to see the world, or it might leave you 182 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: feeling bored, maybe getting yourself into trouble. By all accounts, 183 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: Laurisia was in that first category. 184 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: She wanted to be a traveling nurse practitioner. She knew 185 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: just what type of nurse she wanted to be. Always 186 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: wanted to help somebody, so that was her passion. 187 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Lurisia was the youngest of Regina's five children. 188 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: She was born August nineteen ninety eight. She was my 189 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: baby daughter, my last daughter out of five kids that 190 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: I had. 191 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: She'd always had a lot of interest. She stayed busy. 192 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: She was always doing something. I had her always in something. 193 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: She was in ballet. She loved playing her pee. Anna 194 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: she loved it. She played a lot of different songs, 195 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: church songs. We was always going somewhere doing something in 196 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: the community. 197 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: In the fall of twenty fifteen, Larisia was a senior 198 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: at South Dade Senior High School. She was well liked, 199 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: an honor student. She'd always taken her studies seriously. 200 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: She told me, she said, Mommy, uh uh, I don't 201 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: play about my grades. 202 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: She was excited about going to college, and during her 203 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: senior year she got a job at McDonald's to help 204 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: pay for it and also to earn a little cash 205 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: for what was probably her favorite extracurricular. 206 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Her main thing was shopping. 207 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: Yes, she loved clothes. She loved the shop. 208 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 5: She easily had over one hundred pairs of shoes with 209 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 5: She loved the shop. 210 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 4: But she deserved it, you know what I mean. 211 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: Anthony Britty, Laricia's oldest brother, was already in his twenties 212 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: when she was born. 213 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 5: She was the baby out of five three boys and 214 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: two girls. It was a blessing because being me that 215 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 5: I don't have any kids. It was like Narisia was 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 5: my baby and I was so overprotected of her. When 217 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 5: I used to love to go and pick her up 218 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: after school every day, you know, and she always used 219 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 5: to want chicken nuggets. 220 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 4: I'll never forget that. It was like my baby more 221 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: than it was my mother's baby. 222 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: When Narsia was still little, Anthony got into some trouble. 223 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, he was found guilty of burglary. 224 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 5: I was incarcerated for unoccupied burglary and I ended up 225 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 5: getting twenty years. 226 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: School pickups and chicken nuggets were now a thing of 227 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the past, but Nursia would still call him regularly, and 228 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: his family would come to visit as often as they could. 229 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 5: I used to talk to her every day, every single day. 230 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 5: They used to come and see me, like at least 231 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 5: once every month. 232 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: The university Narsia was planning to go to was also 233 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: close to where Anthony was in prison. 234 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 5: She used to always tell me, Oh, brother, I can't 235 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 5: wait till I'm able to come and see you on 236 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 5: my own and I get in school, which where I 237 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: was at the time was not too far from out 238 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: of Orlando, where she was going to attend school at. 239 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: But Anthony would never get those visits from his baby's sister. 240 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: He was still serving his sentence when he found out 241 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: she had been killed. 242 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 5: Well, I'll never forget that day when I was called, 243 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 5: when I was called to the chapel and giving this 244 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 5: bad news about her, and from there, I just, I 245 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 5: mean I just went blank from there. 246 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: That's the worst feeling I ever had. And I just 247 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: screamed like no, no, no, I couldn't believe it. So 248 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: it was really, really really hard on man. 249 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 5: Even right now today, I'm gonna be honest with you, 250 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: Even right now today, I have my little moment still 251 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 5: right now today, you know that I'll never go outway. 252 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 5: I know, like everybody always say, you know, that's your 253 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 5: mom's child. Was still that was my little sister. 254 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: Anthony couldn't believe Nursia's life had been cut so tragically short. 255 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: She was just this lovable girl that everybody loved, you know. 256 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: I mean, she had a good life coming up, and 257 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 5: she was a sweet kid. She didn't have problems with 258 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 5: anyone or anything. Well, I'm the only one out of 259 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: all my mother's children that has ever been in trouble. 260 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 5: You know, we were not raised like that. She never 261 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: thought that she was better than nobody. We lived knowing that, 262 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: you know, somewhat middle class out of town. But she 263 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 5: never thought that she was better than no one. 264 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: Every town, even small towns, has different kinds of neighborhoods, 265 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and some are safer than others. 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: There are certain sections in Florida City that are you know, 267 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: they're rough. If you drive in Florida City from US 268 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: one or the Turnpike, you're not going to the bad 269 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: areas of Florida City, but there are certain parts with 270 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: bad things happening, like shootings and homicide. 271 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Lursia grew up in a safe neighborhood, but according to 272 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: the detective, con the street she was killed on, the 273 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: spot locals referred to as the alley, was a lot 274 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: more dangerous. Back in twenty fifteen. 275 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: The location where this happened was a common ground for 276 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: multiple shootings. There were some individuals that lived there that 277 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: had some sort of ongoing feud with another group. There 278 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: were a group of young men and women there were 279 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: basically fighting with each other, some arguing with each other 280 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: or social media. Some were actually fighting in the streets 281 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: and shooting each other. 282 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: As the investigation into Nouricia's death continued, detective consuspect that 283 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: she may have driven into the alley during one of 284 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: these disputes. He didn't have any evidence to back that up. 285 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Not yet, but there had been so many people around 286 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: he felt certain someone must have seen something. So the 287 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: police kept knocking on doors, asking again if anyone had 288 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: any information to share. 289 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: So we did that at least four times. We knock 290 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: on doors, every door in the neighborhood. We knock on 291 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: the door, Did you say anything to Did you hear anything? Yes, 292 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: I heard gunshots, That's all they would tell us. We 293 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: know there were gunshots, but tell us something more. We 294 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: went back with Norissa Flier twice again after that, you know, 295 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: to try to locate additional witnesses, but nobody called in. 296 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: There was no information given. 297 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Eventually, the persistence paid off. 298 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: One of my colleagues spoke to an individual who said 299 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: that she had seen the shooting, but she did not 300 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: want to go on record. It took us a couple 301 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: of days of trying to convince her to help us 302 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: and give us more details, and she eventually did. 303 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: The woman shared a lot of information about the person 304 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: she said shot, Mauricia. 305 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: She gave us his name, she gave us his nickname. 306 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: She gave us a description of the car that was involved. 307 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: She told us that she had known him since he 308 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: was child. So there was no mistaking him for anybody else. 309 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: So at that time we had started to basically corrobert 310 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: the information that she provided with other evidence. That's what 311 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: basically narrowed down to this one individual. 312 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: From that point on, the individual was a boy named 313 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: Christopher Walker. He was only fifteen years old. The witnesses 314 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: information was credible enough that the police were able to 315 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 1: obtain an arrest warrant for Walker. The problem was they 316 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: didn't know where he was. As far as they could tell, 317 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: he had left Florida City. But soon they got another break. 318 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: We had tips from some people who were I guess 319 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 3: they were trying to be sympathetic to Regina and they 320 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: were giving this information that he was in New York 321 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: at one of his relatives apartment. So what we did 322 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: is we had reached out to Lewis Marshalls and they 323 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: were able to help us get his exact location. 324 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: In December twenty fifteen, just a few months after Narsia 325 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: was killed, detective traveled to New York City to make 326 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: the arrest. He called Regina with the news. 327 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: It was four days before Christmas. I was in Orlando 328 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: and he called and he said, Miss Tolliberg good morning, 329 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: and I said good morning to him. 330 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: He said, guess what. 331 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: I'm in New York and I said, oh, okay, to 332 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: take the con I thought he was calling me to 333 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: tell me that he was going away, you know, of vacation, 334 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: and he'll be back. So he told me. He said, no, 335 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm not on vacation. I just want you to know 336 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm here arresting Christopher Walker for the murder of Narisia. 337 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: And when I tell you, I started screaming and hollering. 338 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Christopher Walker was eventually brought back to Florida and charged 339 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: with first degree murder. 340 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: Once we arrested Crystal Walker, I was I was very happy. 341 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: I was very hopeful that we'll be able to follow 342 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: through with this case. 343 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: As the years passed and as Christopher Walker's case round 344 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: its way through Miami Dade's criminal court, the prosecution prepared 345 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: for trial, but early on it was clear they were 346 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: running up against some problems, particularly with the witness who'd 347 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: agreed to come forward. When she'd first come to Detective 348 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: Khan back in October twenty fifteen, she'd expressed some concern 349 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: about speaking out. 350 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: She was reluctant to go on the record, reluctant to say, Okay, 351 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, I'll testify or I'll cooperate. She said, yes, 352 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: once was shot, but I'm not telling you anymore. But 353 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: she was afraid of retaliation. She said that she has 354 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: to live in Florida City and the person that she's naming, 355 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: you know, they have other family members who live in 356 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: Florida City and they might retaliate against her. 357 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: And in twenty nineteen, as the trial they finally neared 358 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: the witness who provided the crux of the evidence against Christopher, 359 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: Walker seemed less and less inclined to participate. 360 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: She did not want to talk to they attorney. She 361 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: had been PENI multiple times. She was basically uncooperative. 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: Detective Cohn did his best to try to convince her 363 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: to help, but it seemed as if her mind was 364 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: made up. 365 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: I took her to say attorney's office and she was 366 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: extremely belligerent, just like all sorts of profanities. She was 367 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: very vulgar, very profane language that she used, and she 368 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: was just completely off the handle about wanting to cooperate 369 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: and testify in court. She did not want to do that. 370 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: Prosecutors still held out hope the witness would have a 371 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: change of heart that is until she went to give 372 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: her deposition where she was questioned under oath by both 373 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: the prosecutor and the defense attorney. It didn't go well. 374 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: She just was vulgar throughout that deposition as well, and 375 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: I think she did that on purpose because she did 376 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: not want to be involved anymore. She just wanted out, 377 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 3: and it came to the point that the state attorney 378 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: decided that they could not put her on the stand. 379 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: Detective Cohn said that the witness never denied what she 380 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: had told police about what she saw the knight Noursia 381 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: was killed, but if she wasn't willing to testify to 382 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: this in front of the jury, the prosecution was hamstrung. 383 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: This exact scenario was, unfortunately, something Detective con had been 384 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: worried about from the beginning. 385 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 3: It became my concern immediately after my first interaction with her, 386 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: when she told me that she did not want to 387 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: be involved. It was a concern because I've had other 388 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: cases where a witness will initially help them. Down the line, 389 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: they'll change the mind, and that happens a lot often 390 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: than we want to. So it's a concern in almost 391 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: every case, but in this case a lot more because 392 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: she was the only witness that we had, and without her, 393 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: we had no case. 394 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: Without this key witness, the prosecution was left empty handed. 395 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: So in September two thousand nine, team the case against 396 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Christopher Walker for the murder of Narisia Talibert was officially dropped. 397 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Whether or not he killed her or was involved in 398 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: her death, he was never found guilty. Being charged with 399 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: the crime is not the same as a conviction, so 400 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: the question of who killed Nurisia Talibert is still un answered. 401 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's unfortunately that the loss of life is 402 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: not valued. 403 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: It was a sad day, but Detective con remembers being 404 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: surprised by how calmly Regina took the news. 405 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: She was disappointed in the process. She was disappointed that 406 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: that the wordness made this decision, taken this stance, but 407 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: she was I don't want to say she was okay 408 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 3: with it, but she accepted it. She was not as 409 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: upset as I had expected. 410 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 4: Her to be. 411 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: And I think that that maybe because knowing that her 412 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: child was gone, no matter what I think, is what 413 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 3: helped her not react too much to that decision. 414 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: Regina may have understood this didn't change it anything about 415 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Nursia's death. She was even sympathetic to the witness's fears, 416 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: but she was still devastated. 417 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: I felt angry because of the type of child she was. 418 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: I didn't get any justice. I felt like the system 419 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: let me down. You don't know what to think about 420 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: all this killing going on and nothing is being done about. 421 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: It, And four years of hoping for justice, plus the 422 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: grief of losing her daughter was starting to take a 423 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: toll on her. 424 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: I was breaking down. I was breaking down. I ain't 425 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: up on high blood pressure pills and I would cry 426 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: a lot. So I asked God to give me the strength. 427 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: I started praying more, trusting God more. God. Had he 428 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: changed my heart to truly forgive him? Because Crystopal was 429 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: was but fifteen years old, and I am definite a 430 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 2: believe of Jesus Christ, and where I am today because 431 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: of Jesus. But for some reason, it stays here. It 432 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: don't go any place in my heart. Every day it 433 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: had breetay my heart. But I forgave Crystal bullets like 434 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: I said. 435 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: I had to. 436 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: I didn't forgive him for him. I forgave him for 437 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: me to move forward. You know, I just wanted to 438 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: do it. For me. 439 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, Detective con was promoted to sergeant. 440 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: He's no longer working than homicide, but even now he 441 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: can't get Nurysa's case out of his head. 442 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: After having been in homicide. But I tried to distance 443 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: myself personally as much as I could, even though that's 444 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: not always possible. There's some cases that go home with you, 445 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: you know, and stay with you to this day. 446 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: There are many things about the circumstances of her death. 447 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: He can't forget. 448 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: It bothers me that the person walked away after killing 449 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: her for nouries. 450 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 4: You know. 451 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 3: It bothered me because I have a daughter. I looked 452 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: at Neurisia and I thought of my own daughter being 453 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: in the wrong place at a long time. It bothered 454 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: me in that sense. It bothered me in the sense 455 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: that we had a witness. She was fully capable of 456 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: helping us, but she didn't. It bothered me that there 457 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: were people in the neighborhood who did not want to 458 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: help us, and it bothered me that I could not. 459 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we gave closure to Regina. That 460 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: was the biggest thing. Is we gave her closure in 461 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: the sense that we were able to close the case 462 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: by arrest, but justice was not served at the end. 463 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: We can try to separate ourselves, but at the end 464 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: of the day, we're human. Being a father is a 465 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: little bit more personal when it comes to, you know, 466 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: a child's death. 467 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: Today, with no new witnesses willing to come forward and 468 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: testify about what they remember from that October night in 469 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Nursia's case is at a and still it's cold. 470 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: It's Sergeant con still holds some small hope that one 471 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: day it might be soft. 472 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: The homeside cases, they don't have a statute of limitation, 473 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 3: so it could be next week, it could be ten 474 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: years from now. Somebody has a change of heart and 475 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: they say, Okay, I was there and I saw this. 476 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: And our cold case detectives who are tremendous, tremendous asset 477 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: and they will do what they can to bring justice 478 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: to Regina for her daughter's death. There will always be 479 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: somebody they're in cold case or in homicide, you know, 480 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: who will take over and do what they need to 481 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: do to bring justice for Nourisia. 482 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: For Regina, a conviction isn't what she focuses on anymore. 483 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: Even if he would have went the prison for the 484 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: rest of his life. It was not gonna bring her back. 485 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: You know, I go on trips and stuff and I 486 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: think about her. I say, now, why she's not here. 487 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: I do think of her all the time, and I 488 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: would trade places if I could to give her the 489 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: life that she was always hoping for and wanted. 490 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: You know, Regina hasn't stopped mourning her daughter's death, and 491 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: that's never going to change. 492 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 2: I miss her during the holidays, I really do. I 493 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: would be in the kitchen cooking, and she always wanted 494 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: to take the sweet potato bowl that I mixed sweet 495 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: potatoes in after I mix all the potatoes up. She 496 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: loved coming in, you know, taking her finger. She will 497 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: always be in our hearts and thoughts and mind. 498 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: Her brother Anthony also does what he can to remember her. 499 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: All we can do, you know, is try to keep 500 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: her memory alive, you know, like we're doing every year. 501 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 5: You know, since I've been home, every special holiday that 502 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 5: we have, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. 503 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: Her birthday, the day that she got. 504 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: On Valentine's that I go and visit her grade, anything 505 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 5: that I could think of all the holidays for special 506 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 5: holidays of the year, make sure that I go and visit. 507 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 4: I visit her grade, take flowers and everything. 508 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, Anthony was released from prison early on 509 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: account of good behavior. He says that since he's been out, 510 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: he's changed his life around. He has a job with 511 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: the County Parks Department. He's working to set a good 512 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: example for his community, especially the kids. 513 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: You know, I want to be a voice out there, 514 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 5: not only you know, for Norrisia, but for any for everybody. 515 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: All we could do, you know, is just leave it 516 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 5: in Gods and and continue to have brothers such as 517 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 5: myself to go out there in the community and you know, 518 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 5: spread the road, you know, because at the end of 519 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 5: the day, right now, more parents burying their kids now 520 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 5: when the kids should be burying. 521 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 4: The parents, you know what I mean. 522 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: In helping his community, Anthony is following in his mother's footsteps. 523 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: In the years after Narsia's death, Regina started a nonprofit, 524 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: the Nursia Talibert Dream Foundation. 525 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: After she didn't get justice, God laid on my man 526 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: to start a foundation in honor of her for young 527 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: ladies even though God took her from me. 528 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Each year, the foundation holds an event called Peace in 529 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: the garden in memory of her daughter. She wants to 530 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: raise awareness about gun violence and the destruction it wreaks. 531 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: She doesn't want other parents or family members to go 532 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: through what she has. She also finds other ways to 533 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: help other young women in the Florida City area. Maybe 534 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: they can accomplish what Nursia wasn't able to. 535 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: I did everything that she was doing at that time, 536 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: she was getting ready to go to college. I gilb 537 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: a couple of scholarships out palm dresses to young ladies 538 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: and families that can't afford it, shoes and jewelry, whatever 539 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: they use if they didn't have the money. So that's 540 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: what I did in honor of her. 541 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: She also has opened up her home to kids in need. 542 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: I thought it would be nice, but my mental help 543 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: and my heart of passion to become a foster mother, 544 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: because I find out a lot of foster kids they 545 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: joined gangs, they hurt because they done lost their pinons, 546 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: and they embolved in a lot of things as well. 547 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: And I love what I do because I think about 548 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: her all the time. I think about her. That's why 549 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: I do what I do. 550 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: And if you drive past Northwest Eighth Court in Florida City. Today, 551 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: there's another monument to Nursia, a physical one. In October 552 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the street near where she was killed 553 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: was renamed Nursia J. Talibert Place. 554 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: What it means to me with that street being named 555 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: I was in a store one day, Allen's Market, and 556 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: one of her classmates came up to me. I'll never 557 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: forget this, and he said to me, he said, are 558 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: you Ntersa's mother? I say yes. He says, She's the 559 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: reason why I graduated. That's one reason why I did. 560 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: On the street because she has so many friends that 561 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: looked up to her. So I was thinking, the type 562 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: of little girl she was, it would be nice to 563 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: look up there and see her name, and that would 564 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: make him think, yeah, you know, I want to be 565 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: like Narsi. So that's what that street means to me. 566 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: If you have information to share on Larisia's case or 567 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: any cold case, please call her, send them a tip 568 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: with your local crime stoppers or law enforcement department. 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