WEBVTT - If I Don’t Hear Back | EP 3 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.240 When you think of a paternity scandal, this is probably 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:07.040 what comes to mind. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.920 Sir, you are not. The five. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.480 Men have a millennia old reputation for refusing parental responsibilities. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.120 It can destroy families and alter the course of lives. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.759 As Maury Povich proved, a paternity test is the ultimate 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.760 dramatic reveal. It's a definitive answer, a yes or no. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.400 But what happened to Clayton eckered? Isn't that simple? 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.199 I said, okay, hey, we got to do the paternity 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.360 test that's coming up. And then she's making excuses and 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.440 saying like, I don't think I really need to do this. 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.080 I already know you're the father. I haven't done with 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:46.640 anybody else, so I'm not going to do it. I'm 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.800 not going to waste my money. I'll just wait until 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:49.319 the due date. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.800 I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped there. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.000 No, you'd better believe. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:14.160 I'll be razy ho hellas if you ever, ever, ever ever. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:14.959 Try to. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.080 On May twentieth, twenty twenty three, Clayton invited a woman 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.600 named Laura Owens over to his house. They'd been flirting 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:36.680 over text. According to Clayton, they had oral sex that night, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.520 not penetrative sex. Then just eleven days later, Laura had 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.000 news she was pregnant and she was sure the baby 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:45.360 was his. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.680 I was having a hard time believing it because we 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.280 didn't have sex, so I wanted her to take a 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:53.960 test in front of me so that I could see 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:54.720 you with my own eyes. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.320 Laura came over to his place to take another pregnancy test. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:01:59.920 It was positive. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.760 Bab my hand pressing against my forehead, elbows on the countertop. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.160 I'm leaning over the sink and I'm just in disbelief, 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.840 and she's just like, how are you feeling? 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.919 She starts rubbing my back. I'm like, is this real? 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.919 And in a moment, I was like, fuck, she is pregnant. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.639 On one hand, Clayton believed his own eyes. He believed 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.839 the proof he was now seeing right in front of him, 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:24.720 and I'm. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.560 Like, I'm sorry. She's like for what I said, for 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.720 not believing you. I dought you were lying. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.040 On the other hand, Laura had been behaving erradically since 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.960 their hookup, so much so that he decided to block 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.760 her phone number. But now she was in his house, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.440 positive pregnancy test in hand, and she was distraught. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.680 We sat down on my couch and talked for probably 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.920 an hour and a half two hours, and I was 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:50.800 reassuring her. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.480 The entire time. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.000 It was almost reflexive to comfort her and tell her 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.880 it was going to be okay. But something about Laura 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.960 felt off. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.960 It felt a little bit forced, or it felt a 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.800 little bit like it was a production. There was an 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.120 element of insincerity. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.040 Nevertheless, he told Laura he would unblock her number and 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.880 they would figure it out. After a few hours. She left. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.320 When he shut the door behind her, reality sunk back in. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.919 There was no way she could be pregnant. He replayed 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.320 the night of the hookup in his memory, and his 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.560 mind went to extreme places. She'd run to the bathroom 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.560 right after the blowjob. What had happened behind that bathroom door? 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.160 Was there some way she could have impregnated herself. 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:48.120 I was ninety nine point nine percent sure she wasn't pregnant. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.280 Unfortunately for me, there was one point one percent chance 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.160 of doubt that I was like, maybe she got it 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.320 there in quick enough time when she went to the bathroom. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.800 Maybe she had a syringe on hand that I was 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.440 unaware of. There's a small chance. I don't believe it, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.320 but I can't fully rule it out. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.800 Then he got an email. It was from Laura. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.800 Don't bother reading this. If you don't want to have 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:15.640 the dating conversation. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.240 Her emails are being read by a voice actor. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.800 If you don't want to try things, that's fine, But 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.080 if I'm alone, either way, the abortion is off the table. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.039 I strongly believe that, regardless of your feelings for me, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.520 it's unfair to the child to not be exposed to 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:30.360 both parents. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.320 The messages were bizarre and they kept coming. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.920 You act like it would be a punishment to date me, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.480 but I bring a lot to the table. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.960 My exact thought was, either I'm dealing with the craziest 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.800 woman I have ever met, or I'm dealing with someone 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.320 that's telling the truth, and there's really no one between. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.080 Clayton's plan was to figure it out on his own 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.960 before anyone online got wind of the situation. He was 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.839 a public figure. This could be a huge reputation blow. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.000 If the scroll goes to the media. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.000 It's just going to be a pain in the ass 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.440 because we have to wait on the paternity test, which 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:10.599 is going to take some time. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.800 It's something that I'm going to be fighting up. He'll 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.240 battle on. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.760 He started frantically googling. Maybe this was a misunderstanding, maybe 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.200 there was another explanation. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:26.280 She had mentioned that she had epilepsy, and so I 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.280 just had this feeling of you need to google epilepsy 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:35.320 medications and see if there's any correlation between epilepsy meds 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:42.960 and hCG, which is the pregnancy hormone. And I googled that, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:48.120 and sure enough, there was a correlation where certain medications 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.240 could cause elevated levels of hCG. When I saw that, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.279 that was the bingo. This is what's going on. Maybe 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:02.600 she's not lying, she's just not aware that her medications 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.920 are causing this, and so it's a false positive. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.640 Clayton told me he emailed Laura to let her know 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.679 this could be a possibility, and less than two hours later, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.120 Laura responded. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.600 She said she placed a quick call to her doctor, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.279 and her doctor told her that it's extremely rare to 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.919 happen at all, and if that were to happen, it 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.320 would be when someone just started it. 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.040 Laura was adamant that it wasn't a false positive. She 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.840 really was pregnant and it was his. She told him 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.719 multiple times that she hadn't been with anyone else in 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:43.279 over a year. At this point, Clayton is desperate for 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:48.200 concrete answers. First, he just needed proof of pregnancy, and 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.080 the easiest way to get that is with an ultrasound 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.360 at the doctor's office. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.680 We talked about doing an ultrasound so that I could 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.200 get visual proof that she was in fact pregnant. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.960 Laura made an appointment for an ultrasound, but right before 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.440 the day came, she canceled it. Her sister couldn't make it, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:10.680 and Laura wanted her there. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.080 That was the first cancelation, and then she's like every 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:16.080 scheduled for this date. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.360 I've seen these messages. Clayton was trying his best to 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.840 be as flexible with the doctor's appointment as possible. If 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.480 she was pregnant, this was the only way he could 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.640 get the confirmation he needed. But Laura changed her mind 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.040 again and said she didn't want him at the doctor's appointment. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.640 My pushback was okay, well I'll FaceTime you from the 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.240 doctor's office. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.960 Then Laura threw a grenade, something that caught Clayton off 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.080 guard and changed the tone of their entire conversation. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.200 She ended up saying, Hey, I'm scared for my safety. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.640 I'm going to reschedule it, but I don't want you 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.640 showing up and potentially harming me. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.280 Clayton couldn't believe what she was saying, and he was offended. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.640 He was only asking for transparency and real answers. Just 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.480 a few days before, Laura said she wanted him to 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:07.600 be involved. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.440 I'm like, are you kidding me? I've never once threatened you. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.560 Now you're trying to say that, like your friend, I'm 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.600 gonna get physical in a doctor's office of all places. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.480 In general, I've never put my hands on a woman. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.600 But I was like, now you're basically stating you're fearful 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:20.400 for your safety. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.280 It was a red flag, but Clayton was committed to 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.040 getting an answer from a doctor that was the right 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:27.720 next step. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.720 Then it was no, I don't want you to know 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.319 like when I'm going at all. So then again it 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.400 was just excuse after excuse, and it was like, I 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.559 need some type of proof, and she just wouldn't oblige 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.199 to anything that I said. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.920 The harder he pushed for proof, the more volatile Laura became. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.240 You have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.160 and I have all of the receipts to prove it. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.120 The back and forth about the ultrasound was only the 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.520 tip of the iceberg. After she told Clayton she was pregnant, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.840 Laura sent him a lot of mixed messages about keeping 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.520 the baby. Most of them were emails. Actually this went 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.720 on for four months. I decided to take a page 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.040 out of Clayton's book and asked him if he could 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.600 show them to me in person. A few days later, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.560 I flew to Arizona and was back at Clayton's house. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.200 I want to talk about where we left off with 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:27.199 this story. You've kind of told me that there was 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.160 a lot going on from June to let's say September 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.360 of that year. Can you show me what you're talking about? 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:33.719 Oh? 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.480 Yeah, Look, I have it all stored here on a 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.200 drive called the LO file for Laura Owens. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.920 Okay, any time that I've spoken with Laura is all 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:42.520 right here. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.720 There is a folder pretty much for every single day 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.400 from June all the way through like the end of October. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.600 I cannot stress enough how many messages are in these folders. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.680 There are hundreds. Having the receipts is an understatement. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.880 Some days there were ten messages, some days there was 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.160 just one. There was probably less than five times where 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.800 there was a day or two where she didn't send anything, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.000 but those days were far and few in between. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.040 The messages unsettled him so much that he started cataloging them. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.400 Here are a few subject lines from those early emails. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.880 June twenty fifth, went to the abortion clinic. Important June 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.160 twenty eighth, having the baby. If I don't hear back 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:34.199 tonight July first, the final opportunity to consider abortion. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.800 The messages would come in. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.959 I would screenshot them, I would put that day's date, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.040 and then i'd put it in the folder. I put 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.199 my own responses just so I could have a full 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.800 track record, because I felt I need to have evidence 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.000 of all of our communications because who knows what she's 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.320 going to eventually accuse me of. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.480 How are you handling that? And how is your mental 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.920 health doing at this time? Were you trying to work? 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.200 How do you even go about your day? If these 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.079 keep flooding in, I. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.439 Couldn't help but read them because I had to extract 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.120 information from them to understand where she was going with 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.520 her next move. But it was tough because yeah, I'd 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.560 be at work and I couldn't help. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.040 But like, check my email every hour. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.080 It's as if someone tells you that I'm going to 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.880 send you a message with test results in the next 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.000 twenty four hours. I'm not sure when it'll come in, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.440 but yeah, we can all relate to that, just waiting 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.800 looking at your messages, being like when's this coming through? 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.679 And the second you hear the ding, you're like, oh 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.960 my gosh, this is it. That's how I felt all 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.840 the time, because it was just like, when's this next 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.800 message coming and how serious is it going to be. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.120 Clayton was on edge. It wasn't just about whether or 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.000 not she was pregnant. He'd just gone through the hardest 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.520 year of his life and felt like the media was 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.200 hungry for any scandal around him. This would deliver it 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.959 on a silver place, and Laura seemed to know that. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.680 She even told Clayton that when she was at his 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.200 apartment to take the pregnancy test, that she'd recorded the 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:09.360 entire conversation. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.800 She had her phone in her purse and it was 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.200 recording the entire time. She mentioned that to me as 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:16.720 like a threat to say that she was going to 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:17.240 go public. 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.920 Clayton did not want any kind of press about the situation. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.160 He decided he could handle it himself. The weeks dragged 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.560 into months. The whole time, Clayton felt like he was 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.600 trying to quietly diffuse a bomb. Were you fighting this 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.760 battle alone? Like at this point had you told anyone 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.719 in your life what was going on? 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.560 I really truly was waking up every day dealing with 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:49.000 this and having nobody to help me through because I 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:49.640 was ashamed. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.000 I saw the. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.120 Emotions that I elicited from my family following the whole 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:58.840 Bachelor experience. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.480 And they are the ones that. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:06.600 I would bring it to. I took a show that 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.439 was my mom's favorite and turned it into a show 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.280 that she despised, a show that made her sick to 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.640 her stomach. No matter how much I wanted to have 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.200 support in this scenario, to me, it would have felt 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.960 selfish to bring them back in. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.200 It became clear that these emails had a strong effect 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.520 on Clayton and that I'd be at his place for 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.680 a week if I tried to read every email in 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.440 one sitting. He was kind enough to share the file 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.040 with me so I could go through each email carefully. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.160 I took the l file home with me to start 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.920 combing through it myself. Some of these emails have never 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.000 been made public before. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.720 That's the thing with Laura is I kept just getting 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.520 more intense with every single email. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.880 Later, these messages would be introduced as evidence in court. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.480 Here's Laura Owens herself during a court deposition, reading one 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.000 of the emails she sent Clayton. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.839 It occurred to me that you might believe me more 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.040 about paternity if you were inside of me and felt 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.040 how tight I was after not having sex in more 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.160 than a year. Maybe then you'd believe I hadn't been 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:10.880 sleeping around. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.040 Messages like this stopped me in my tracks. I didn't 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.680 know what I'd gotten myself into, but I knew I 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:35.320 had to keep going. When I started reading the screenshots 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.480 of messages between Clayton and Laura, I was dumbfounded. After 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.640 I spent weeks going through each and every message, I 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.280 decided to meet Clayton again to discuss them. Like I said, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.280 some of these have never been made public before. She 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.800 kept saying in these emails that she has proven time 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.880 and time again that she's pregnant. She has showed you 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.520 so much proof. She has sent a drop box link. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.320 Can you tell me what that proof actually was? 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:02.840 That was the thing that She's like, I've sent you 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.400 all this proof. I'm like, what proof. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.000 You've sent me a doctor's note, You've sent me a 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.360 pregnancy test, and I'm like, I think you're trying to 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.120 convince me you've proven me. You have these hard facts, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.600 which you don't like. You keep saying you've shown all 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.800 the proof, but there's nothing here. It's all just your words. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.880 My sister called me at eight weeks pregnant to tell 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.520 me she was pregnant with a photo of an ultrasound. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.160 On face times when we would do right, like. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.400 I mean, it was so simple to prove it, which 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.360 is concerning that she wouldn't just send you an ultrasound 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.920 because you were begging for proof in these emails. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.960 Yeah, I mean, look like I really did want just something. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.880 I was like, either show me something or show me nothing, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.600 like I'm tired of playing the games. I'm tired of 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.240 playing Like, well I will if this, I'm like, no, no, no, no, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.880 if this, then statements like just do it or don't 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.760 like I'm and that's where I was like, it really 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.880 should be super simple, right, Your doctor that you just 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.080 saw should be able to take a phone call with 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.560 me right now. And if I'm the actual father, then 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.840 it's my right to be able to have this conversation. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.840 He's right, and he brings up another important point about 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.600 if he's actually the father. We'll get to that in 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.080 a minute. As far as I can see in all 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.560 their messages, the proof Laura was sending him was mostly 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.280 in the form of photos and a few videos of herself, 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.760 like this one where she's standing in her bron underwear 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.160 showing her protruded stomach to the camera. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.000 I am just trying to show you that I am pregnant, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.160 and I wanted to do this on video so that 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.680 you didn't think that I was photoshopping anything in. 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.920 The video is over four minutes long. She turns from 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.960 side to side to show him her stomach. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:50.280 Here's the tour. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.120 You can see my front. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.280 You can see the line there that women get that 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.840 pregnant women get. I'm starting to get. You can see 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.520 from here I have a stomach right. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.879 This video came in response to Clayton again asking for 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.360 proof of her pregnancy. At this point, he'd been asking 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.359 for over a month. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.200 I hope you realize this is all real. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.119 The pictures and videos weren't the medical confirmation Clayton wanted, 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.000 but they did make him question his own certainty. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.920 Every time I would see a physical image, it would 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.440 just like cycle back to maybe there is some truth 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:25.679 to this. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.520 At first, Laura said she would give him any of 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.399 the medical confirmation and to say in the decision making 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.280 if he did something she wanted. This one is highlighted 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.360 and flagged in this folder. I want you to read 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.800 the highlighted part starting at the bold. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.480 Oh yes, yeah, I would like to get together tomorrow 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:56.040 night to talk and explore intimacy. It's time for you 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.800 to make an effort if that is something we are considering. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.800 I would love to have sex in the future and 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.840 feel like I am the safest person you could have 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.000 sex with since I'm pregnant. But if you really think that, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.639 like you said yesterday, my goal was to date and 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.560 get pregnant during this time, we can absolutely hold off 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.760 on it. However, it occurred to me that you might 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.800 believe me more about paternity if you were inside of 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.679 me and felt how tight I would be after not 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:28.120 having sex in more than a year. Maybe then you'd 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.520 believe I hadn't been sleeping around. And again, you wouldn't 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.639 be doing me any big favor. Having sex with me 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.280 is a privilege and not something I have done. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:37.960 For a long time. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:41.000 There's a lot to unpack that. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.920 Oh yeah, I mean, oh man, I remember that when 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:44.960 that message came through. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.120 I had a moment during this conversation with Clayton where 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.240 I really couldn't believe this was my job and this 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.720 is what I was talking to the former bachelor about. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.600 It's also interesting too where she says it also occurred 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.679 to me that if you felt how tight I was, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.560 if you were inside of me, to me, that's signifying 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.800 that she's saying you hadn't been inside. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.800 Of me before. That was her admitting it. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.719 Yeah, absolutely, Like she said so much, so many times, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.800 she started to basic trip over her own story, and 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.520 that was a moment where I go, well, you just 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.479 admitted to not having sex with me, because you're saying 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.040 if only I felt how tight you were, meaning I 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.080 haven't felt it yet. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.160 Were you reading the whole thing? This one is. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:35.840 Pages long? Yeah? 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.800 I did read every single line, because again I'm now 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.240 reading into the mind of somebody to try to understand 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.120 where my out is. She forecasts a lot of times 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.800 these were things where I was looking at every sentence 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.800 being like, where is she going? And can I get 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:53.280 ahead of it before she gets there? 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.760 But that wasn't always possible because Laura threw some curveballs. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.520 There is a dating contract that was sent to me 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:01.280 by Laura. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.280 Can you what is go back? What's a dating contract? 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.520 Well, it was new to me. I've never signed one before. 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:10.720 This was something she wanted you to sign. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:11.200 Yes. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.200 Yes, an official document that she wanted me to sign. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.879 It was written in a formal format and it's said 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.199 that if you date me for one week, then I 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.480 will have an abortion, but if you don't date me, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.040 then I'm having the kid. 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.520 This dating contract has a sixteen point list of demands, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.560 and while it looks like a formal legal document and 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.760 attempts to use formal legal jargon, it includes highly unusual 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.040 stipulations like this one read by a voice actor. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.760 For a period of one week while determining the best 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.480 course of action for their pregnancy. Party A and party 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.280 B will exclusively explore a relationship with intention meaning with 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.560 the goal of it turning into something long lasting and meaningful, 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.560 and there is no obligation for the relationship to work 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.240 out beyond the one week. However, if it is apparent 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.040 that the agreement was entered into for the wrong reasons, 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.280 evidenced by abuse of any kind, verbal, emotional, or physical. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.040 It is null and void. 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.720 I'm like, I can't believe I'm reading this. Is there 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:21.760 any validity to this? 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.240 Again, It's like you're seeing something for the very first 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:31.040 time and you're in disbelief that it's actually something that 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:31.600 you're reading. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.760 Laura sent this dating contract after she told Clayton she 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.600