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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk cheating. Coming up, this sour the fishing
Speaker 1: scandal that's rocked Lake Erie. They had a walleye tournament. Also,
Speaker 1: you have a cheating scandal in chess. We'll have an
Speaker 1: update on that, and a cheating expert in chess is
Speaker 1: going to join us. Coming up. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you give out business cards, Nick, what do you do
Speaker 1: for a living. I'm a cheating expert in chess. Yes, boy,
Speaker 1: is that like that? Leo Dicabrio will be catchbee if
Speaker 1: you can. He was a he was a scam artist
Speaker 1: for years. They went to work for the FBI catching
Speaker 1: scam artist. I'm not sure, but we'll talk to him. Yes,
Speaker 1: tones say, aren't you also a computer science professor at
Speaker 1: the University Buffalo and try to lead with that. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's the chess I'm a cheating expert. Here a couple
Speaker 1: of phone calls. We'll get to those as well. The
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Speaker 1: on NBC and Peacock. All right, here's the story, and
Speaker 1: maybe you got a chance to follow this, But there
Speaker 1: was a fishing tournament that was in Upper Ohio here
Speaker 1: and it was the Lake Erie Walleye tournament called loot
Speaker 1: l e WT Lake Erie Walleye Trailer and the winners
Speaker 1: were disqualified because they found weights in the fifth that
Speaker 1: they caught. And there's a lot of money at stake here.
Speaker 1: The winning prize was close to twenty nine thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: But these guys have been winning. This is a season
Speaker 1: long event. They start in the summer and it wraps
Speaker 1: up this past Friday. And you may have seen the
Speaker 1: video and it went viral. As the kids like to say,
Speaker 1: they cut open the fish and you saw the weights
Speaker 1: fall out. So it became a big deal that they're
Speaker 1: cheating in fishing, and these guys have won close to
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. These guys are like the Lamb's
Speaker 1: Armstrong of fishing. Here they're Barry Bonds, McGuire and Sosa,
Speaker 1: but Matt Markey covers the event. Covered the event. He's
Speaker 1: the outdoors editor for the Toledo Blade and he joins
Speaker 1: us on the program. Matt, thanks for joining. Explain the
Speaker 1: tournament for our audience. This particular tournament was the championship
Speaker 1: for that Lake Erie Walleye Trail circuit and it involved
Speaker 1: probably thirty or forty two person teams and the top
Speaker 1: prize would have been with bonuses in all, maybe thirty
Speaker 1: to forty thousand dollars. But there's a lot of other tournaments,
Speaker 1: including two major tournaments that take place from the middle
Speaker 1: of October till the weekend after Thanksgiving, and in those
Speaker 1: both of those have more than four hundred thousand in
Speaker 1: total prize money, with one hundred and twenty five thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand going to the winner. So
Speaker 1: the stakes are a lot higher than most people would
Speaker 1: think when it comes to walleye fishing. When did we
Speaker 1: know that there was something up? We knew. I've been
Speaker 1: hearing it for about a year with this particular pair
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, guys whispering you know, complaining in all,
Speaker 1: but nobody willing to make a formal complaint or to
Speaker 1: charge them, you know, in the public square. But there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of rumors in it, most of
Speaker 1: them involved this particular pair. But once this tournament, the
Speaker 1: first day was held, you come in, there's a way in.
Speaker 1: There's some pomp and circumstance with it all up on
Speaker 1: a stage, and they kind of make it a you know,
Speaker 1: a pt barnum thing. And when these fish came up,
Speaker 1: any lake erie walleye fisherman will know if you hand
Speaker 1: them a twenty five inch fish, it should weigh between
Speaker 1: four and five pounds, And if you hand them a
Speaker 1: thirty inch fish, they will know within six to eight
Speaker 1: ounces is what it should weigh. These two guys brought
Speaker 1: their fish up and the tournament director, who's been doing
Speaker 1: this a long time, holds this fish up and to
Speaker 1: him it looks like a five pound fish. He puts
Speaker 1: it on the scale and it weighs seven pounds. And
Speaker 1: because of all the accusations behind the scenes associated with
Speaker 1: these two guys, he became suspicious and kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: inspected it a little bit more closely. Felt something unusual
Speaker 1: in the belly of this fish, and then when they
Speaker 1: he got a knife and opened it up, these two
Speaker 1: massive twelve ounce lead balls roll out of its bellies.
Speaker 1: So apparently, allegedly and all those qualifiers, you know, these
Speaker 1: guys had been using lead weights to enhance the weight
Speaker 1: of their catch. Is this a felony. It's a felony.
Speaker 1: Felony fraud, is what the prosecutor tells me, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, it would have been thirty or forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars that they would have won under you know, these
Speaker 1: this pretext that they cheated and bumped up the weights.
Speaker 1: But the bigger controversy now is the fact that these
Speaker 1: guys supposedly won one of the major fall tournaments last year,
Speaker 1: and that was one hundred and fifty grand, and they've
Speaker 1: won several other tournaments, and we think it's the neighborhood
Speaker 1: with bonuses, prize money and sponsor money, probably four hundred
Speaker 1: grand that they've won. And the whole time with these people,
Speaker 1: you know, saying that they're cheating. You know, all this
Speaker 1: going on in the background. So there's a lot more
Speaker 1: money here involved than people think. And the nature of
Speaker 1: the tournament, Dan is what makes it so difficult to police.
Speaker 1: So imagine a pro golf tournament and the best golfers
Speaker 1: in the world go out and it's just them and
Speaker 1: their caddy and they play eighteen and they come in
Speaker 1: and they turn in their card, and there's nobody to say,
Speaker 1: you know, well, he didn't get a twenty six on
Speaker 1: the back. You know he didn't shoot a twenty nine
Speaker 1: on the front. And that's that's what happens. Is these
Speaker 1: guys go out on the lake at the at first
Speaker 1: light and they come back eight hours later, and you
Speaker 1: have to believe, unless you monitor it more closer or
Speaker 1: inspect it, you have to believe that they went out
Speaker 1: and caught those fish. Because there's a couple of things
Speaker 1: here that I think some of the competitors thought the
Speaker 1: fish looked a little too old, so maybe they brought
Speaker 1: the fish with him. Also, they weren't I think you
Speaker 1: donate the fish to the local markets, and they weren't
Speaker 1: donating their fish to the local markets. That sound right
Speaker 1: here meant yes, you're absolutely right. Those are the two
Speaker 1: other red flags that have popped up in the past.
Speaker 1: Because in a tournament that was held near Toledo in April,
Speaker 1: they won that tournament allegedly, and they went out and
Speaker 1: fish like four days before the tournament, intensely saying they
Speaker 1: were scouting for places. And then when they checked in
Speaker 1: their fish, several of the fishermen commented that their fish
Speaker 1: looked old. In other words, the tournament runs Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1: They go out on a Tuesday and fish and catch
Speaker 1: a couple big ones, put them in alive well in
Speaker 1: the boat, turn the oxygen on and pump and hope
Speaker 1: to keep them alive. And then when they go out
Speaker 1: and fish during the tournament, they mixed those two big
Speaker 1: ones in with the fish they actually caught to try
Speaker 1: to bu up their catch. But if you were to
Speaker 1: donate your fish to the local food pantry, which every
Speaker 1: other fisherman did in that Toledo tournament except them, the
Speaker 1: people that are cleaning the fish would have said, hey,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, these are old. We're not giving this,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not feeding foul fish to the folks
Speaker 1: down at the soup kitchens. So those were the other
Speaker 1: red flags that they had caught fish earlier, put them
Speaker 1: in alive well and then tried to mix those in
Speaker 1: with their catch. And also the fact that they didn't
Speaker 1: donate their fish is a major red flag because these
Speaker 1: guys are all exceptional walleye fishermen. They have enough walleye
Speaker 1: and the freezer to feed them and their you know,
Speaker 1: their wife's next husband. But you know they for some
Speaker 1: reason they kept their fish and nobody else did. We're
Speaker 1: talking to Matt Markey, outdoors editor for the Toledo Blade,
Speaker 1: any reaction from these two Jacob Brunyan and Chase Kaminski.
Speaker 1: Jacob Brunyan said, I can't talk. Sorry, that's it, and
Speaker 1: nothing from Kaminsky. That's the extent of their reaction at
Speaker 1: this point, and I try to find out yesterday. Neither
Speaker 1: one of them has legal representation as of this point,
Speaker 1: but I imagine once they're formally charged in the Cuyahoga
Speaker 1: County Court they will have attorneys representing them at all.
Speaker 1: But still very early in that process, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about will they be sued by these
Speaker 1: earlier tournaments, by some of their sponsors who've given them
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars for misrepresentation. There's a high
Speaker 1: division of wildlife investigation for violations that it might have
Speaker 1: occurred out on the lake because you can't take game
Speaker 1: fish and manipulate them in any fashion. There's just a
Speaker 1: whole string of issues other than the fact that the reputations. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you are ruined. If you cheating golf in a pro tournament,
Speaker 1: you're done, and these guys have cheated in a professional
Speaker 1: wallete turn so they're done. I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to get ugly when they started to weigh the fish,
Speaker 1: and then everybody started to gather, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the tournament director cut open a couple of
Speaker 1: those fish, and you saw those weights come out, and
Speaker 1: I thought these guys could get roughed up here. They
Speaker 1: would have dan, except for the tournament director is a
Speaker 1: full time police officer in Broadview Heights, which is a
Speaker 1: Cleveland suburb, so he knew how to at least try
Speaker 1: to maintain order. But there were a couple Cleveland police
Speaker 1: officers on hand, and he called them over to basically
Speaker 1: escort these guys away from the mob. But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: If the police had not been there, it would have
Speaker 1: been much more than what we saw in those videos.
Speaker 1: It would be there would have been physical because a
Speaker 1: lot of those guys in that crowd just realized that
Speaker 1: all their suspicions were true, and that they had been
Speaker 1: cheated out of tens of thousands of dollars in previous
Speaker 1: tournaments where they might have finished second or the third
Speaker 1: of these guys. And we see this with guys in
Speaker 1: sports and other sports where they cheat too well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you put one weight in there. Okay, maybe it's
Speaker 1: not as obvious, but as you said, this is what
Speaker 1: these guys do. They can feel a fish, they can
Speaker 1: see the size of the fish, they know exactly, and
Speaker 1: these guys got too greedy to make sure that they
Speaker 1: won this event or these other events. I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it worked in the past, and so they
Speaker 1: got brazen and they got sloppy. And what they did
Speaker 1: was actually very primitive, you know, using the lead weights
Speaker 1: as probably the most simple way to enhance the weight
Speaker 1: of a fish. But they went way over with these
Speaker 1: lead balls. And then they actually took other fish and
Speaker 1: stripped the flesh off of them and stuff that down
Speaker 1: there to try to keep the lead from banging together
Speaker 1: and making it even more obvious. But they got they
Speaker 1: got sloppy, and I think it's like a lot of criminals.
Speaker 1: After the first ten bank robberies go well, then maybe
Speaker 1: they get sloppy with their routine. These guys just got
Speaker 1: sloppy and brazen and you know, a little bit too
Speaker 1: aggressive in their approach. And they're lucky they got out
Speaker 1: of their alive. Matt, good to talk to you. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll be following this whatever happens next.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you. Dan enjoyed it. Matt Markey, alt
Speaker 1: Door's editor for The Toledo Blade. All right, punishment for
Speaker 1: these two, Todd, you're the judge. What's the punishment for
Speaker 1: these two? Now, this is about three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in prize winnings here. I think they got to give
Speaker 1: back all their money. They need to investigate all the
Speaker 1: other money that they want, and maybe those go to
Speaker 1: the second and third place people that should have been
Speaker 1: in first and second place. I think they need to
Speaker 1: be submerged in water like a fish like I have
Speaker 1: like a little hook attach to them, and be submerged
Speaker 1: with like weights like those lead weights that they put
Speaker 1: in the fish's mouth and all. And that's just artist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you get well, okay, judge, Judy dude, the
Speaker 1: video of it all happening is unbelievable. Of the people
Speaker 1: figuring out what's going on? And there's I don't know,
Speaker 1: fifty one hundred and fifty dudes, big dudes surrounding who
Speaker 1: are heated, yes, because they're going way the fish. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the guy who runs the
Speaker 1: tournament cuts open the fish and we've got weights, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it is on. There's a
Speaker 1: fight here, there's another flight, and the one guy's going,
Speaker 1: where's your crown now? Yes, bleeper, bleeper, where's your crown now? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, so what do you do? Setan holy smokes man,
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that there wasn't some type of like like that.
Speaker 1: They just didn't settle the punishment right there in the moment,
Speaker 1: because it felt like those dudes are about to get
Speaker 1: the crap feet out of them. Well, the guy who's
Speaker 1: running the tournament is a cop. It does a really
Speaker 1: great job actually of keeping everything. He says right away,
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want anybody touched. Don't don't touch him,
Speaker 1: and there's going to jail. I know, all right, Marvel,
Speaker 1: what do you do? Three hundred thousand dollars fine, two
Speaker 1: year suspension? Oh okay, I think he went light taking
Speaker 1: that one up to the commissioner. Yeah, the fish commission Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fishioner, the coffishioner. Okay, yes, that's a major title.
Speaker 1: I'm the cofifishioner. Yes. They obviously got to give all
Speaker 1: the money back. I don't know if the second place
Speaker 1: gets the money. It's not like the Reggie Bush Bevinschung
Speaker 1: Heisman thing. I would go mountain landis on him. I
Speaker 1: go lifetime ban from fishing. They'd lose their personal fishing
Speaker 1: licenses and their competitive license and like community service they
Speaker 1: have to work work at like a fishing tackle place,
Speaker 1: just scaling fish for free for hours on it. I
Speaker 1: would I would make them lose their casting hand, like wow, yow.
Speaker 1: I'd have to take off one of their their hands.
Speaker 1: You're going biblical, yes, yes, fish eye for a fishy yes.
Speaker 1: Time you know the layers will be angling for lighter sky. Okay, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: there we go. Alright, let me take a break here,
Speaker 1: let me take a break. Somebody said, we really tackled
Speaker 1: the hardstall. Okay, okay, like that, everybody is trying to
Speaker 1: kind of run down the inventory of fishing words here.
Speaker 1: The hook I used to fish with a cane pole.
Speaker 1: I used to fish all the time, you and Mom
Speaker 1: and Paul used to go down to the down down
Speaker 1: the fishing hole at a cane pole and uh then
Speaker 1: I got an open face real Now, I fly fish.
Speaker 1: That's what real men do. That was that was supposed
Speaker 1: to be in my inner When we come back, we
Speaker 1: go from cheating and fishing to cheating and chess. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to an expert who will tell us about how
Speaker 1: to cheat and chess. Yes, Polly. Do you think either
Speaker 1: our last two guests thought when they woke up a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, we're gonna be on the Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show this week Tuesday in October. I think our
Speaker 1: last guest thought there's a chance somebody's going to reach
Speaker 1: out to me. I don't think our next guest thought,
Speaker 1: you know when he woke up, you know, think Dan
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Speaker 1: live on the Peacock app. An investigation is said to
Speaker 1: be launched in the wake of cheating allegations made by
Speaker 1: world chess champ in Magnus Carlson. This was announced last Thursday,
Speaker 1: and Carlson has accused a fellow grandmaster, Hans Nieman, of cheating,
Speaker 1: saying that his rivals quote over the board progress has
Speaker 1: been unusual. So he's a nineteen year old American. Carlson,
Speaker 1: by most accounts, is the greatest chess player in the world,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all time. And he backed
Speaker 1: out of a competition that was last month. So I
Speaker 1: said to Fritzie, can you give me a chess cheating expert?
Speaker 1: He said, yep, he's Professor Kenneth Reagan, Professor of Computer
Speaker 1: Science and Engineering at the University of Buffalo School of
Speaker 1: Engineering and also a chess cheating expert. Professor, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. How do you become a chess cheating expert. Well,
Speaker 1: in my case, a statistical model that I developed since
Speaker 1: two thousand and six when there was a great fracas
Speaker 1: at the World Championship with the Bulgarian accusing the Russian
Speaker 1: of cheating by computer cable to his bathroom. Okay, so wait,
Speaker 1: explain that he had a computer cable. No, he did not.
Speaker 1: There was no such cable, because my model explained that
Speaker 1: the Bulgarian was overlooking a simple principle. If you have
Speaker 1: only one move to stay alive, chances are a good
Speaker 1: chess player and a computer will find the same move,
Speaker 1: depends on the kind of position involved. Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: to what's happening between these two. Carlson is the greatest
Speaker 1: chess player in the world, is high gradly high rated, Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Hans Nieman is the newcomer and aspiring teenager who was
Speaker 1: suddenly broken into the ranks of the elite, gaining more
Speaker 1: than two hundred rating points in the past two years. Okay,
Speaker 1: how does that him that you gain all of that
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. Well, in his case,
Speaker 1: you barnstorm around Europe in the US playing chess as
Speaker 1: much as you can, including online, so he has a
Speaker 1: learning curve sep similar to that of many young players
Speaker 1: whom I've had to track because their official ratings have
Speaker 1: been frozen during the pandemic. So Frederick Friedel on Chess
Speaker 1: Base posted a great comparison showing that Niemonth's growth is
Speaker 1: really not that much of an outlier compared to other
Speaker 1: hotshots of whom Magnus Carlson was one fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Nieman has a couple of blemishes on his record with
Speaker 1: cheating before correct. Yes, he did confess to cheating online
Speaker 1: on multiple occasions, once when he was twelve, and once
Speaker 1: don't know for how long during the early months of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. All right, what's he being accused of now
Speaker 1: by Magnus Carlson. He's being accused of cheating over the
Speaker 1: board in their game in Saint Louis and more recently
Speaker 1: than he has confessed were Mark Magnus's words, and of
Speaker 1: that I have no evidence. How would one cheat over
Speaker 1: the board? Well, there have been many ways. I've cases
Speaker 1: have had people who used hidden cameras, They've had computers
Speaker 1: in their shoes, They've gotten buzzes on their thighs, they've
Speaker 1: had a magic pen, they've had an ear piece of
Speaker 1: Fonito was used once, so yes, they have in many ways. Okay,
Speaker 1: but he's accused of having something on his body or
Speaker 1: in his body with vibrations helping him make moves. There's
Speaker 1: a fanciful accusation that has was raised by Elon Musk
Speaker 1: of among others, but there's no evidence for it at all.
Speaker 1: The people who were on site checked the players with scanners.
Speaker 1: They were under observation and as they have that. Plus,
Speaker 1: my statistical reports during the tournament showed no evidence of
Speaker 1: any cheating. What role did Elon Musk play in kind
Speaker 1: of ratcheting this up or stoking the fires with this? Well,
Speaker 1: he signed on to the vibrating sex toy. Possible explanation,
Speaker 1: but of course it's just speculation. How these are big accusations, though,
Speaker 1: how do you defend yourself if you're Hans Niemann, Well,
Speaker 1: you get to lawyers and good statistical experts. The West
Speaker 1: way he should defend himself though, is tell the truth
Speaker 1: fully and accurately and then stick to his story. His
Speaker 1: statements have been very vague and that has caused problems. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you suspicious, Well, let's for it. This way, I
Speaker 1: certainly agree is cheated online in the past. One of
Speaker 1: the difficulties for chess is whether we consider online cheating
Speaker 1: to be in the same category as over the board cheating,
Speaker 1: which is the purview of the International Chess Federation and
Speaker 1: where it's Ethics Commission as sanctioned several players in the past.
Speaker 1: If I ask you best way to cheat in chess
Speaker 1: in over the board, what would you say? Uh? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: there are various utilities. Maybe I should duck that question,
Speaker 1: but having the buffalo bill's cap on the head be
Speaker 1: a start. Well, okay, so where does this go? This
Speaker 1: seems like it's a really big deal that the greatest
Speaker 1: chess player in the world doesn't want to play chess
Speaker 1: if this guy, Hans Nieman is in the event, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it needs to force a reckoning about standing for preventing
Speaker 1: cheating and detecting cheating at tournaments, community stands on and
Speaker 1: how we treat other players besides Nieman who have been
Speaker 1: caught cheating online, and also resolution of who has the
Speaker 1: governing authority I represent the International Chess Federation to FETA.
Speaker 1: I think Neiman said that he would play naked. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's I think maybe what's what's spurred the vibrating hidden
Speaker 1: sex toy speculation. Yes, so both Jennifer Shahadi, whom you
Speaker 1: may have had in your poker statement poker segments, and
Speaker 1: Marcel Duchamp, the painter of stage naked chess games. Oh
Speaker 1: all right, I might pick up the sport if that's
Speaker 1: the case. Yes, well, hey, professor, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us and giving us your insights
Speaker 1: on this. Thank you very much. That's a Professor Kenneth Reagan,
Speaker 1: Professor of Computer science and Engineering at the University of
Speaker 1: Buffalo School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. Also a chess
Speaker 1: cheating expert. Charlie's thereon the actress is a chess player,
Speaker 1: and if she, I would hope she would accuse me
Speaker 1: of cheating, and then I would say, well, let's play naked.
Speaker 1: That's pay for view, take my money. I think you're cheating.
Speaker 1: All right, let's play naked. Everybody get their clothes off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this this young man, Hans Nim. They don't have
Speaker 1: any proof that he's cheating, but he's getting too good
Speaker 1: too fast. That's like the smoking gun. Yes. Is that what?
Speaker 1: How phenoms do? Yes? Yeah, all of a sudden, you're like, wait,
Speaker 1: a minute. That doesn't that you've doesn't pass the smell test.
Speaker 1: Here dead giveaway. Ye. Anybody played chess? Paul? I did
Speaker 1: in my teenage years, and and then I gave up
Speaker 1: the sport. I was retiring, nothing, nothing else going on,
Speaker 1: And you're like, yeah, my own bishop. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: actually played a guy. I got hustled in Central Park
Speaker 1: or Washington Square play Washington, Yeah, but they play speed
Speaker 1: chess there. I got hustled. Their billions reel. You can
Speaker 1: still walk through. I went through Washington Square Park last weekend.
Speaker 1: It's part of it. A lot of it's still the same.
Speaker 1: You got the chess players, the speed chess guys, and
Speaker 1: guys trying to sell you a pot. That teenager with
Speaker 1: a skateboard, Yeah, that kid's getting his ten bucks thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's some a Reagano saw me coming a mile away. Yes, Paul.
Speaker 1: And you see that movie or that TV series, The
Speaker 1: Queen's Gambit. Do you guys watch that one? That was
Speaker 1: a great show. Do you think chess is a sport
Speaker 1: that you could take up at like thirty five years
Speaker 1: old and become great at it or do you have
Speaker 1: to do it when you're eleven? Mm? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had no patience for it, Like I, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to play. I didn't want to sit there and think.
Speaker 1: It's like there's too much thinking. We're checkers guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was on a plane once and the guy sitting
Speaker 1: next to me was reading a chess strategy book and
Speaker 1: then he had like some kind of software on his
Speaker 1: computer that he was playing out all of these models
Speaker 1: and stuff. I was like, dang, I didn't realize it
Speaker 1: was like that. Yeah, it's it's way too much work,
Speaker 1: yiah Morev. The closest I ever came to playing chess
Speaker 1: was watching DeAngelo try to teach Bodie and Wallace how
Speaker 1: to play on season one of The Wire. That's probably
Speaker 1: the closest I got when he was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: Kingpin is like you know, Avon Barksdal. That's the closest
Speaker 1: I've come to playing chess. Yeah. I had no interest
Speaker 1: in it, no interest in playing chess. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was outside and I'm playing like baseball girls, yeah,
Speaker 1: girls stuff things like that. Uh, Shane and Texas, Hi, Shane,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Any other cheating scandals that
Speaker 1: we want to want to dive in. There is a
Speaker 1: poker one going out, Oh yes, rich eyes and actually
Speaker 1: sent it over to me some details. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: similar thing where this these two high end poker players,
Speaker 1: without getting too much in the details, a guy was
Speaker 1: bluffing and the other player called the bluff and it
Speaker 1: was like totally against the normal what you do in
Speaker 1: a poker situation. And people think that this other poker
Speaker 1: player was But then did she give his money back?
Speaker 1: I think we're looking into it, so I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Like they he said, there's no way that you would
Speaker 1: have stayed with the hand that you stayed with, And
Speaker 1: then something happened behind the scenes between the two and
Speaker 1: then she's come out and said I'll play you anytime, anywhere. Yes. Time.
Speaker 1: You heard about that badminton thing in Salt Lake City, Right, No,
Speaker 1: let's don't be throwing it out there just to get
Speaker 1: a word in, just and they get real this first
Speaker 1: journal listen Badminton, Badminton. Well, it's like wemble tonight and
Speaker 1: wemble done. It's Wembleton call Dame Badminton. If you cover it,
Speaker 1: like for the Olympics. Are you sure you want to
Speaker 1: go again? Time? I don't, Okay, I'm just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to help you out there. If you had holes in
Speaker 1: your cloves, it would be badminton. I'm not gonna keep
Speaker 1: you warm. If you got hold of your clove, that's
Speaker 1: how you get bad mitten. They're supposed to minton. Somebody
Speaker 1: said those fishermen were guilty. That's pretty good Gil. Those
Speaker 1: guys are guilty, Shane and Texas Joe. It's just on
Speaker 1: the program Morning five six Beefcake one four checks my notes.
Speaker 1: I see you every day is a super Bowl. No
Speaker 1: need to ask Dan how he's doing. Dan. I'm calling
Speaker 1: because my daughter is getting married in January. First off,
Speaker 1: I'm not a good at public speaking. And to top
Speaker 1: it off, I'm like eight percent eighty five in on
Speaker 1: her fiance. I need some acting advice and I need
Speaker 1: to find out nice things to say, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of stuck. Oh, okay, does your daughter know that you're
Speaker 1: eighty five percent in on the fiance? No, sir, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't really do that to her. Okay, you have
Speaker 1: a two year old son together, all right. He's been
Speaker 1: around for a while, but he's stable. He has a
Speaker 1: good job with the fire department. But it's just something
Speaker 1: about how things he says to her sometimes it just
Speaker 1: really bothered me. And I'm not one hundred percent and
Speaker 1: I know they're happy together, but what am I? I
Speaker 1: don't know what to say when it comes to the
Speaker 1: father father's speech during the wedding. Yeah, yeah, just play
Speaker 1: this phone call back, just just you know, Hey, you're
Speaker 1: a fireman and you you seem like a stable guy. Ish.
Speaker 1: I don't like the way you talk to my daughter,
Speaker 1: but you've been around for a while and then you
Speaker 1: got a three year old together. Yeah, that sounds like
Speaker 1: we're stuck with you anyway. How's that, Shane? Yeah, just
Speaker 1: so okay, I am I don't I guess I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what to do still, Um okay. I hope they
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about the call, but thanks for
Speaker 1: the phone callche doncoche. I I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what I have advice, But I don't know if I
Speaker 1: advice that you don't really like the fiancee. Yes, you
Speaker 1: have to kid, you have a private chat with the guy.
Speaker 1: You don't have to put in a speech or you know,
Speaker 1: say something. It's too late. The whole crowd, it's too late.
Speaker 1: He just seems he seems very uncomfortable with this guy
Speaker 1: being in their lives. I think you just have to
Speaker 1: you have to do some acting. You make it about
Speaker 1: your daughter, talk about all the great things about your
Speaker 1: daughter and her special day. And and I'm a grandfather,
Speaker 1: I'm a father. I'm so lucky she found, you know,
Speaker 1: the person she wanted to marry. I'm in on that.
Speaker 1: I'm a little if a. Could you make it a joke,
Speaker 1: because that's funny how you said it. Yeah, but take
Speaker 1: it from somebody who made a joke at a wedding
Speaker 1: and it didn't go well at all. Didn't go well
Speaker 1: at all. And I, yep, it was a mistake. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. This was twenty This is probably
Speaker 1: close to thirty years ago. And that's why I give
Speaker 1: advice on giving speeches because I paid the price. Oh
Speaker 1: I gotta I'm gonna. I'm gonna kill it up here.
Speaker 1: What you no, can't do it? Sure, no statue of limitation.
Speaker 1: No person is probably listening. People are probably listening. No,
Speaker 1: then they know what happened, they do, and we'll keep
Speaker 1: it at that. There's no reason to bring it up. Yes,
Speaker 1: are the betrothed still intact? Yes they are. Then there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with him. Yeah, it's just it's it's still
Speaker 1: a little awkward. Still a little awkward, yeah, Marph for
Speaker 1: a Shane. Now, if his future son in law said
Speaker 1: something to his daughter that he didn't like, wouldn't he
Speaker 1: say something right there in that moment? Or is it bad?
Speaker 1: That's kind of how we maybe speak to one another.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Like, how do you go about that
Speaker 1: because that's your kid? I oh no, no, if you
Speaker 1: if you haven't been able to stop it, then you know,
Speaker 1: just embrace it. You don't want to be well, I'm
Speaker 1: on record as saying I'm not all in on him.
Speaker 1: It just if you get to the wedding, you get
Speaker 1: to the reception, you're proud of your daughter, you love
Speaker 1: your daughter, you love your grandchild, and you say one
Speaker 1: or two nice things about him, and then that's it.
Speaker 1: Then you get out. Yeah. See, man, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: you have to let people live their lives. I mean,
Speaker 1: his daughter has a child already, like she's she has
Speaker 1: her own life. It's not daddy's a little girl anymore.
Speaker 1: So I think Dad's gotta let go. I say, you
Speaker 1: do a PowerPoint presentation with a list of all the
Speaker 1: things that you've found uncomfortable about the way he talks
Speaker 1: to your daughter. Yes, you could either be nice and
Speaker 1: let it happen at the wedding, or weeks before the wedding,
Speaker 1: you can call a national radio and TV show, give
Speaker 1: your real name, not to disguise your voice, and talk
Speaker 1: about it in detail. Let's take a break. Last call
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Speaker 1: base ball games tomorrow, the last day of the regular
Speaker 1: season start at four o'clock. So in case you're following
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, Uh, make sure you adjust your viewing patterns there, Yes, Paul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: between four and fourteen is eastern is the first pitch
Speaker 1: for all the games. And I got Yankees at Rangers
Speaker 1: four or five pm ESPN plus, so it'll be hard
Speaker 1: to find a little bit. M We had a lot
Speaker 1: of people who weighed in on the fishing controversy where
Speaker 1: they were putting weights in the fish to win the competition. Uh,
Speaker 1: As Seaton said, a lot of people said they're guilty
Speaker 1: regarding the punishment, You'll need to mullet it over, mullet
Speaker 1: over um they have in a fish. Shoal who was
Speaker 1: overseeing this Mike and DC said the fisherman will be
Speaker 1: chumming it up in prison. Okay, okay, all right, Uh,
Speaker 1: clearly these guys had no soul. Uh. This person said
Speaker 1: they should get pies in the face with weights in them. Creepers,
Speaker 1: a fish pie, fish pie to the face with weight.
Speaker 1: They come fish skated the evidence there and these are mine.
Speaker 1: You know they're distance yourself. Yes, I'm trying the scales
Speaker 1: of justice. Okay maybe no, No, that's good that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. I think I'm only fisherman in
Speaker 1: this group. I'm the only man in this group fish.
Speaker 1: How do you define fisherman? Like if I'm a if
Speaker 1: you're a fly fisherman, you're a fisherman likely just to
Speaker 1: be able to do it. You know, when I go
Speaker 1: to Montana with my brothers and we're out there in
Speaker 1: the wild and we're fishing for dinner, actually letting off
Speaker 1: the land. Actually it was catching release. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: you can fly fish, they're you're a fisherman. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys and I've done that before, where you just
Speaker 1: say we're going fishing and then you cast and then
Speaker 1: sit back and drink beers. Fly fishing can't do that,
Speaker 1: Like you gotta stay active. That deep sea fishing where
Speaker 1: you have like you're buckled in the chair and it's
Speaker 1: like an hour or two. That seems like that seems
Speaker 1: like a great challenge. But you know when then you
Speaker 1: get a fish on, as we like to say, fish on,
Speaker 1: and then you have to reel in so you keep
Speaker 1: all the you know, lines out of the way. Ye
Speaker 1: can't you just swat the flyfish? Do you really need
Speaker 1: a whole reel of things if they could just it's
Speaker 1: just been a really rough That's why you kill a
Speaker 1: fly with a swat. It's just a rough last hour here,
Speaker 1: and plus your dressed like you're eighty years old. I
Speaker 1: got this old school DP jacket from many years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking my nutrition protein drink and it's just not enough.
Speaker 1: It's not good. When did you have to talk anymore?
Speaker 1: When did you start drinking a protein drink? I just
Speaker 1: started doing like a few weeks ago. Are you doing
Speaker 1: a photo for AARP magazine? He's too old for AARP.
Speaker 1: It's not nice. But I A'm gonna have dinner about
Speaker 1: a quarter to four and go to bed. Buy seminicll
Speaker 1: I like that. Get up three in the morning and
Speaker 1: stop my deck. I'm very busy. Last golfer phone calls.
Speaker 1: What we learned? What's in store tomorrow? This day in
Speaker 1: sports history. This day in sports history, Paulieu the movie
Speaker 1: TV movie NBC's Grambling's White Tiger came out. Bruce Jenner
Speaker 1: was a quarterback and Harry Bellifonte was a coach of
Speaker 1: Grambling football. Alright, Grammling's White Tiger in nineteen eighty one
Speaker 1: nineteen seven NFL owners use replacement personnel to play games
Speaker 1: despite the players strike. The scab players, including Sean Payton
Speaker 1: from Eastern Illinois, played a few games I think with
Speaker 1: the Bears. That's the quarter Yes, that's true. There you go.
Speaker 1: Who is the first college player in history to throw
Speaker 1: for at least three hundred yards and rush for at
Speaker 1: least one hundred yards in the same game. It happened
Speaker 1: on this day, the year, I'll give you the decade.
Speaker 1: Happened in the sixth Actually been a guest on this show.
Speaker 1: First player in college football history throw for at least
Speaker 1: three hundred yards rush for at least one hundred yards
Speaker 1: in the same game. Yeah, Paul, it's probably wrong, Archie Manning.
Speaker 1: Archie Manning, that's right. Nice the hint helps. I like
Speaker 1: how PAULI always goes, well, it's probably wrong, but so
Speaker 1: when it's wrong, it was like, yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was right. No, yeah, but you can't do that on Jeopardy.
Speaker 1: You can't say who is probably wrong? Archie Manning? Like
Speaker 1: they won't give that too. I don't think. Uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: here's one on this date, two quarterbacks combined to throw
Speaker 1: for over twelve hundred yards in the same game, and
Speaker 1: let's see it was I don't even this would one
Speaker 1: of the guys has been a guest on the show,
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, Chris Leake. No, no, it's Connor Holiday through
Speaker 1: for seven hundred and thirty four yards with Washington State
Speaker 1: and the Cougars lost to cal Jared golf through for
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