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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel

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Speaker 1: one thirty two. BOJ. Simpson will get his shot at freedom.

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Speaker 1: Heany former football star, is sitting right now in a

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Speaker 1: state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. You know, nine

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Speaker 1: years away from your family is just just not wander

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, mister Simpson. I do vote to grant

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Speaker 1: parol when eligible, and that will conclude this. Harry, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Unless he's been living under a rock, you know by

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Speaker 1: now that a two time killer turned armed robber is

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Speaker 1: set to walk free. That's right, O. J. Simpson Orenthal

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Speaker 1: James Simpson, notorious football player turned killer, has been released

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Speaker 1: by a Nevada parole board. I Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this. Mister Simpson. You organized this crime in

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Speaker 1: which two victims were robbed at gunpoint. It was a

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Speaker 1: serious crime and there was no excuse for it. You

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Speaker 1: deserve to be sent to prison. You've been in prison

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Speaker 1: now almost nine years, the minimum amount opposed by the court.

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Speaker 1: You have complied with the rules of the prison. You

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Speaker 1: have programmed in an acceptable manner. You have no prior

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Speaker 1: reoffend on our guidelines, you have community support and stable

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Speaker 1: release plans. We've heard from you and from your victim.

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Speaker 1: The question here, as with all parle hearings, is whether

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Speaker 1: or not you have served enough time in prison. On

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Speaker 1: this case, considering all these factors, my vote is to

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Speaker 1: grant your prole effective when eligible. Thank you, and I

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Speaker 1: concur with Commissioner Korda and grant parole. And in addition,

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Speaker 1: our decision, although difficult, is fair and just. I concur

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Speaker 1: with commission accord and agree to grant parole. Mister Simpson.

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Speaker 1: Before I cast my vote, I want to let you

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Speaker 1: know that we believe that we're a fair board. We

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Speaker 1: believe that a consistent board. I will let you know

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Speaker 1: that that consistency also goes to parole. And we do

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Speaker 1: my vote to grant and it concludes the hearing of

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Speaker 1: our expectation would be that you not violate even the

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Speaker 1: simplest condition of parole. Having said that, I am prepared

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Speaker 1: to cast a vote, I am prepared to ask the

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Speaker 1: commissioners to set conditions if if that happens, we will

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Speaker 1: produce an order sometime in the next fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes that will be faxed to you or presented to

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Speaker 1: So based on all of that, mister Simpson, I do

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Speaker 1: this hearing. Thank you now Here is what Simpson said

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Speaker 1: and his closing statement to the parole board. Listen to

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Speaker 1: this pack of lies, and mister Simpsons, did you have

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Speaker 1: any closing remarks and varied any except that you know

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Speaker 1: I've come here, I've spent nine years making no excuses

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Speaker 1: way they did. I had no intent to commit a crime.

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Speaker 1: I came here. I tell the inmates all the time. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about your crime. You know,

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Speaker 1: arguing court here we're all convicts. I'm a convict. Do

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Speaker 1: I told Award when I got here, mister Lagrange. I

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Speaker 1: no problem. You know, and I think I kept my word.

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Speaker 1: As I said, I've done my time. I just like

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Speaker 1: I did my time. I tried to be helpful to everybody.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, Bruce, Bruce and Beardsley, I made

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Speaker 1: Richio had never called me. I thought I was glad

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Speaker 1: also appearing as the victim of the crime. On September thirtieth, thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: Bruce and I need to talk for a minute. None

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Speaker 1: me because I had to go back nineteen years through

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Speaker 1: our friendship. But I had to go back nineteen years

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Speaker 1: to produce records for almost eighty eight percent of the stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it is true that items in that room belonged OJ.

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Speaker 1: There were new to two ways about it. But it's

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Speaker 1: also true that I have never stolen anything from OJ.

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Speaker 1: I did not. I have never stolen from OJ. I

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Speaker 1: Other people have taken things from OJ, but I have

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Speaker 1: never stolen from OJ. OJ is my friend, always has been,

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Speaker 1: I said, I forgive you. We all make mistakes. OJ

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories and you heard me right. Orenthal

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Speaker 1: James Simpson O. J. Simpson aka the Juice aka murder

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Speaker 1: defendant has been set free by eight Nevada Parole's Board,

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Speaker 1: and at the beginning it looked as if things were

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Speaker 1: Jackson managed not to laugh along with Simpson and his jokes,

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Speaker 1: not give me a good feeling, Art Harris. When I

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Speaker 1: and yucking it up with Simpson, that bode ill Nancy.

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Speaker 1: He was rambling on in a way that belied what

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Speaker 1: he had promised the parole Board he would do and

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Speaker 1: be terms of getting alcohol rehab and said he wasn't

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Speaker 1: They had written notes, all right, So I wonder when

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Speaker 1: those written notes were prepared. What maybe last night? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I do come in Corda and Jackson

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Speaker 1: for not laughing along with Simpson and his apparent attempts

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Speaker 1: So how do you think Goldman should go about getting

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Speaker 1: he has to write out monthly checks. I don't care

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Speaker 1: You know what would make this man remember you're right,

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Speaker 1: Simpson simply would not be considered. Thank you for calling, Randa.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way.

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Speaker 1: standing straight up with me right now is doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: this hearing was so disturbing, the things you mentioned, they

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Speaker 1: He really overvalued what he's done in jail and what

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Speaker 1: Nine years Nancy, and he's still continuing the offending pattern

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Speaker 1: of the quotes, Alan Dick, Are you with me? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I am Alan with me. Art Harris is with me,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't really identify the feeling I

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Speaker 1: Kevin in Ohio, Kevin, thanks so much for calling in. Hi, Dear,

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Speaker 1: has been crucified? He just got out at the minimum

428
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: amount of time for pulling an armed robbery. The way

429
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: the media depicts them, I mean, even most people, you know,

430
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: especially white people, want to keep paying him as an

431
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: evil man. Still don't know what you're talking about. He

432
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: pled guilty to beating his wife. He admitted to that

433
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: in an Alfred Polea. There were photos of her that

434
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: are in evidence with a bruised and battered face. M

435
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: He was arrested on double murder. He managed to get

436
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: an acquittal on that. I would say that's a pretty

437
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: good deal for him. He was acquitted. So how can

438
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: you say that people are against him. Well, yeah, I'm

439
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: against him because he's a double murderer. But you're saying

440
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: he's been crucified. The way I see it, he's been

441
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: given every single benefit he can squeeze out of the

442
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: justice system. He beat his wife for years. He admits

443
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: that the police were called to his house time after

444
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: time after time for him beating the coal. They end

445
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: up dead. He's acquitted for that, and then he pulls

446
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: an armed robbery. I can't say anything, bad oja what

447
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: my FRANDPA made a lot of money on his football game. Okay, Well,

448
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: thank you for calling in and um good luck to you, sir.

449
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, Bethany, I think I need a

450
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: therapist right now, can you help me figure out what

451
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: that guy was saying. I was very confused about what

452
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: he was saying. It was interesting that he threw in

453
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: at the end that he made a lot of money,

454
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: His family made money off of oj Simpson. So is

455
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: this why he's defending Ojay? See one of the things

456
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: your callers are doing, the ones that are supporting O. J. Simpson,

457
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: they're acting like you con surgically remove that part of

458
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: his personality that's sociopathic and homicidal. He did commit this

459
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: double murder, and what the parole board was talking about

460
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: in terms of their criteria, meaning that they're not going

461
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: to take in the prior bad acts into account. That's

462
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: a legal concept, but from a psychological perspective, somebody who

463
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: commits a double homicide after beating his wife for years

464
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: then refuses to play the money that he owes as

465
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: a part of a civil judgment is somebody who lacks

466
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: a conscience. That is a chronic trait that's going to

467
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: continue with him through to the end of his life.

468
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: So I'm afraid that what we're going to see now

469
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: that he's been paroled is that he's going to recipivate

470
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: He's going to go back to the same kinds of

471
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: behaviors he had before. So you know, maybe this is

472
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: a story. We're going to keep talking about it. That's

473
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: all I can say, because if we're talking about it

474
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: in the future, that will mean he is reoffended. There

475
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: is one person I felt very badly for today. I

476
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: felt really badly for his daughter, Arnell. Now, Art, Harris,

477
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: You're very, very familiar with Simpson's family, and I was

478
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: getting texts my phone fell off the coffee table um

479
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: with people going why is she defending the man that

480
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: murdered her mother? Nicole was not Arnelle's mother, That's right,

481
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: So give me a little a little background on the family, Art,

482
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: you know it where the most well, well, you had

483
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: his first wife and you had the children by her,

484
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: and then he married Nicole, So you know this, this

485
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: is someone who you know, is being defended by people

486
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: who is whether there is blood father, by Nicole or

487
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: by another woman. They see him and they have to

488
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: live in denial. Nancy classic children of abuse, children of

489
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: alcoholics and substance abusers. They it's like Stockholm syndrome. Do

490
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: you identify you support your prison guard. And so no

491
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: matter what oj does you know, how do you They

492
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: can't live with themselves. That would destroy them. I think internally,

493
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: maybe doctor Marsha would agree if they were to truly

494
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: embrace that fact that he killed their mother. I think

495
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: about Arnell is that I think she was telling the

496
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: truth as she believes it. I found her to be sincere.

497
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I think she loves Simpson, that is her father. He's

498
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: all they have left and clearly has not accepted or

499
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: acknowledged that he killed Nicole and Ron. Speaking of Arnell,

500
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: listen to Simpson's daughter as she defends him. Yes, I

501
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: am Arnelson and dad and my dad's oldest child before

502
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: and welcome and um feel free to speak. Thank you.

503
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous, though, bear with me. I know

504
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot, as you know. I'm here on behalf

505
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: of my family for the purpose of expressing what we

506
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: believe is the true character of my father. No one

507
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: really knows how much we have been through this ordeal

508
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: in the last nine years. Excuse me. He's like my

509
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: best friends in my rock, in my rock, and as

510
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: a family, we recognize he is not the perfect man,

511
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: but he's clearly a man and a father has done

512
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: his best to behave in a way that speaks to

513
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: his overall nature and character, which is always to be

514
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: positive no matter what. He has spent the last nine

515
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: years of Lovelock, as we all know, and has been

516
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: a perfect and made following all the rules and making

517
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the best of the situation, which is truly amazing to me.

518
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: Under the circumstances, the choice that he made nine years

519
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: ago that resulted in the sittancing were clearly inappropriate and

520
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: wrong and counterproductive to what he was trying to achieve.

521
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: As a family. We were all there to celebrate a

522
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: wedding of a very good friend. As a starter, I

523
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: can honestly say my dad recognizes that he took the

524
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: wrong approach and could not handle the situation. He could

525
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: have handled the situation differently. My siblings, I and family

526
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: know that he didn't make the right decision on that day,

527
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: but we know that his intentions were not to go

528
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: in and to just make the wrong decision at the

529
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: wrong time. Throughout this idea, we have remained close, We

530
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: have stayed strong, and I for myself am grateful to

531
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: God for giving us the strength to get through this

532
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: last nine years and to stay positive always no matter

533
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: what and a lot of that is because of him.

534
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: So on behalf of my family, my brother, my sister,

535
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: and aunt, uncle, his friends. We just want him to

536
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: come home, we really do. We want him to come home,

537
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: and I know in my heart that he's very humbled

538
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: throughout the situation. This has been hard, to be honest,

539
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: this has been really truly hard, and there's no right

540
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: or wrong way to explain how to handle this. But

541
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: we do know that I know that he is remorseful.

542
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: He truly is remorseful, and we just want him to

543
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: come home so that we can move forward, for us quietly,

544
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: but to move forward. So I thank you for allowing

545
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: me to be here this morning. I thank you. Out

546
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: to the lines to Teresa reaction to O. J. Simpson

547
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Walking Free, Teresa, I am physically nauseated, you know, Teresa,

548
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you. As I was watching it, it was

549
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: like a bad case of deja vous, because I will

550
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: admit Simpson was very convincing. He was even charming in

551
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: a way toward the pro board members, and I feel

552
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: very strongly that they had made up their mind before

553
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: they even went in there. The laughing and the joking

554
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: during this was to me highly inappropriate. I feel like

555
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: it's also the charmed thing is just a manipulation cactic.

556
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: He is very good at manipulation, and people see that

557
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: his charm, and I think that's what discussed me so much.

558
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Me too, because as I was listening to him, he's

559
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: a master manipulator. I know for a fact what he

560
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: was saying is a lie. He keeps saying that was

561
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: my stuff. They quote stuff he's talking about Pete Rose, Baseball's,

562
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Joe Montana lithographs, some Simpson menorabilia that he had sold

563
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: that was no longer his. There were a couple of

564
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: pictures in there of his family. But to hear him

565
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: say it, he just went in there, had a friendly

566
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: conversation and took back what was his. You can hear

567
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: the recording of him screaming at cursing in them when

568
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: he went in there to rob them, saying he never

569
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: had a substance abuse problem, he never had an alcohol problem.

570
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: He went on and on about how he had missed

571
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: time with his with his children. Teresa, Why what about

572
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: his wife? Why did the what about Nicole? You know

573
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: what she missed? I have a question to about the

574
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the his you know about the drinking and stuff. Why

575
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: was the parole board satisfied with the fact that he

576
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: did not take the AA classes like they told him

577
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: he needed to take. How is that all right? And yes,

578
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: what about Nicole? She there is no coming back for her,

579
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: There's no second chance for her. I don't understand the

580
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: second chance thing in our country either. People lose lives

581
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: and they never had a second chance, you know, doctor Bethany,

582
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Now that she is saying that she's right, they seem

583
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: to just when it came out that he had not

584
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: taken that AA class they told him to take, that

585
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: was all I ever heard of it. What happened? I

586
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: kept waiting for them to bring that up. There was

587
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: absolutely no consequence he did not comply with the AA class.

588
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: And then he acts like the empathy class is so

589
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: important it has changed him as an individual. And then

590
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: he goes on to say that he has helped to

591
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: institute church services in the prison because now he has

592
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: recovered his Christianity. And what I thought, from a clinical perspective,

593
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: nancy is the grandiosity of the sociopath. So if you

594
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: keep in mind the criteria for sociopathy, glib, superficial charming,

595
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: they played by their own rules rather than the rules

596
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: of society, callous, remorseless. And so you could see in

597
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: the way he talked about the church services, how grandiose

598
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: he was, like he was really helping people in the

599
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: prison and he was really helping them through his athletic program.

600
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: And you could see how he was over valuing what

601
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: good he had done in the prison system to the

602
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: pro board, and they believed him. That's what's so shocking.

603
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think they went into this

604
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: with their minds made up. Bethany, I don't think they

605
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: were even listening. I think I think they already had

606
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: their minds made up and they were sitting there drawing

607
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: on a doodle pan. Let's go out to the lines,

608
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Flora and Rhode Island High Flora, what's your question, dear,

609
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: thank you for calling. She was right, Nicole was right

610
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: from the beginning that he would skate on anything he did.

611
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: She knew him better than anybody else, and that's exactly

612
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: what he did. He skated once again. I can't stand

613
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: looking at the man, you know what, Flora, I very

614
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: rarely will have a kind of a physical reaction to

615
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: look just looking at somebody. But I've got the same thing,

616
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: just to look at him, and I know all the

617
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: pain he caused so many people and is still causing

618
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: just looking at him, fawning and joking and sucking up

619
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: to the pro more than I could say. He was saying,

620
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: how you know he had this exemplary prison record, and

621
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: but people don't realize he had the money. So he

622
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: had all these little guys around him doing his bidding,

623
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: and he would pay for their commissary stuff. So he

624
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: just kind of skated through prison too. You know what,

625
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: You're right, Flora and Rhode Island. I agree with you.

626
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to even look at him. Calling

627
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: me now, Flora, please call us back. Is Mary from Florida.

628
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Hi Mary, thank you for calling in. What do you

629
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: make of Simpson? I feel really bad that he's going

630
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: to be let out and there are going to be

631
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: other people now possibly endangered. We don't know, because we

632
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: don't know old he is a psychopath. We act like

633
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: the psychopath. I feel bad because he did get away

634
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: with murder. Nicole Pold de nine long one, I threer,

635
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: if I can quote her, he's going to kill me.

636
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: He's here now again, please come and he's going to

637
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: beat the gerotomy. Do you remember those calls? It just

638
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: kills me inside. And they're so heart wrenching because something

639
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: didn't happen that needed to happen to protect her and

640
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: that didn't happen, and to protect those kids that their

641
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Speaker 1: mom would be there for them. And I feel real

642
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: bad about that. And I feel like when og was

643
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: in this hearing today, he sat there and damn near

644
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: got pissed off with the one guy asking him about

645
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: where's his stuff? Now as you have it isn't you're

646
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why what they were saying,

647
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: because like I saw him, I saw him pull the face.

648
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: I saw what Nicole saw, that angry look. Yeah, and

649
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: he and he also spoke to the board like that.

650
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: But you know it didn't matter because they already they

651
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: already had their minds made up. Take it. Listen to this.

652
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: I want emergency five. Get someone over here, now to

653
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: three two five, Gretna Green, He's back, please? Okay? What

654
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: does he look like? O? J? Simpson? I think you

655
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: know his record if you just think some he over hear? Hey,

656
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: what is he doing there? He's just over here, just

657
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: rolling me over? Wait a minute, what kind of cars

658
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: he is? He's in a white bronker. But first of all,

659
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: he broke the back door beyond to give in. Wait

660
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: a minute, what's your name, Nicole Simpson? Okay? Is he's

661
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: a sports counter or whatever? Yeah? Okay, wait you wait

662
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: a minute. We're to the police. What is he doing?

663
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Is he threatening you? Doing nuts? Has he threatened you anyway?

664
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: Or or is he just harassing you? You're gonna hear

665
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: him minute a minute. He's a bat tog again. Hey,

666
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: just stay on the line. I don't want to stay

667
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: on the line. He's gonna beat the Wait a minute, wait,

668
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: just stay on the line so we can know what's

669
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: going on. To the police, get there. Okay, okay, Nicole, huh,

670
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: just them all. What does he have any weapons? I

671
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: don't know? Okay, he went home? And how exact sup

672
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: the sleeping and I don't want anything to happen. Okay,

673
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: has he hit you today or no? No? Okay, you

674
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: don't need any paramedics or anything. Okay, you just wanted

675
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: to leave the door. He broke the whole back door

676
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: in and then he left and he came back, and

677
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: he came and he because I knocked my up the

678
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: first door down. But he's pounded it and then he

679
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: screamed him hard, and I tried to get him out

680
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: of the bedroom because the kids are sleeping in there.

681
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: And then he wanted them that he phone number, and

682
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: I gave him my phone work and was then or

683
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: I gave clock my phone work down the right right

684
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: down the phone number that he wanted, and then he

685
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: my phone work with all my stuff that want. What

686
00:46:44,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: does he says a messic introduce you to one already

687
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: age twenty five? Okay, and feel say what's something that

688
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: you do? I'm gonna go. It always comes back. Mary

689
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: in Florida, thank you for calling, and I know exactly

690
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: what you mean. Mary Ellen in Pennsylvania, Mary Ellen, Hello,

691
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: reaction to OJ Simpson walking free. I am not surprised

692
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: that he got out got away from it, because I

693
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: think Nevada just wanted him and out of their state,

694
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: and I think it's messed up. He should still be

695
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: in there. He was supposed to get thirty three years,

696
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: you know. I keep saying that, and everybody looks at

697
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: me like an alien with three heads. He was sentenced,

698
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: Mary Ellen, You're correct to thirty three years. He has

699
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: served nine, and I'm stunned in a way that no

700
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: one wants to hear that. But I agree with you.

701
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised either. I duped it out with Dan

702
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: Abram's my buddy on ABC's GMA the other morning. He

703
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: was insistent that Simpson would walk free. I was insistent

704
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: he should not walk free. But I can tell you this,

705
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: it ain't over yet. I know, lady, justice has taken

706
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: a black eye, but this is not the end of

707
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: this story, you know, Art, I feel just stunned. I

708
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: feel like I got to kick in the stomach that

709
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: I did when he walked free on the murders. That

710
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense, but that's how I feel. Nancy,

711
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I do too. It's funny. I

712
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: remember the crowd outside the courthouse, jubilant, and you know,

713
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: when something like that is happening and everybody around you

714
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: is happy, and you know something very bad just happened,

715
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: and something wrong it is, it is hard, and so

716
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: I empathize with all these callers who are just going through,

717
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, flashback to an injustice and you know, I

718
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: can't help but think about this was a setup. Because

719
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: when you hear that, parole officials say as OJ is

720
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: giving his litany of what happened, Well, mister Simpson, everything

721
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's not quite what the facts or the

722
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: record reflects, and he ignored it. And when it didn't

723
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: matter that he was lying to them, did you notice

724
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: that I did, art. I noticed it, and I gotta

725
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: tell you, my stomach actually hurts. I noticed it, and

726
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: I noticed most everyone in that room laughing along with

727
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: him as he made jokes. And you know another issue

728
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: bothered me. One of the victims is now deceased, Beardsley,

729
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: and one of his family members said, you know, yeah,

730
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: he's going along with OJ because he knows he wouldn't

731
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: be anything, He wouldn't be famous if he wasn't friends

732
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: with OJ. You know. So it's that whole shaming and

733
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: bullying thing thing with victims. You've got a celebrity defendant

734
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: and everybody wants to be his friend. I guess that

735
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: includes the Nevada Parole Board. But you know what, I

736
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: know what happened. I know what happened to Nicole, I

737
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: know what happened to Wron Gallman. I know what happened

738
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: to these victims. And they may all want to look

739
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: the other way and let sense and loose, but that

740
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: does not change the truth. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing

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00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,