1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports Show, where we 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: explore the big money issues in the world of sports. Hello, 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barnes, I'm Scarlett Phil and I'm Mike Lynch. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Coming up today we speak with All Star Golden Glove, 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winner and currently the lead analyst for MLB Network, 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Harold Reynolds. That is straight ahead on the Bloomberg Business 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: of Sports Show. But first, let's look at some of 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the top stories of the week. And let's begin with 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Tom terrific Tom Brady. He came back to Gillette Stadium. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Here's the scene in thoughts Boro. We'll let you listen 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: to watch his Tom Brady returns as a visitor for 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: the first time. And Lordie, did we watched that game 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: across America? Lynchi, I know it meant something to you 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: because that is your home turf. What did you think 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: about it? And the NFL ratings were threw the roof 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: in this game, Yeah, the second highest NFL game in 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: recent memory. Only the Cowboys and Washington football team of 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: above ten years ago had a higher rating, which really 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: surprised me because I don't think they take into account 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: how many people are watching on tablets, on phones, on 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: desktop computers. I don't think Neilsen has access to all 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: those ratings, so but this was everything it built up 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: to be. There were no losers in this game. Brady 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: came back, Belichick uh had a defense form and the 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: game wasn't decided until Nick folks fifty six yard field 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: goal hit the upright with fifty two seconds to go. 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: And this was just an absolute bonanza. It was a 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: huge game. Tom Brady, I no surprise, was a rousing ovation, 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: as you just heard right there. But once the game started, 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: people were given thumbs down to Tom, You've just an opponent, Scarlett. 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: I know that everybody's been talking about this game, but 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I think about it is the 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: NFL is always king when it comes to the four 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: major food groups when it comes to sports. Absolutely, and 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't just this game either. The NFL saying that 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the average game has had seventeen point three million viewers 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: this season. That is a sevent increase from the same time, 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: as granted is not a normal year, but still, this 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: is kind of better than what anyone expected. And apparently, 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, Tom Brady is in the center of most 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: of these most viewed games the twenty one most watched 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: shows on TV since the start of the season. NFL games, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: what are they? Bucks versus Patriots obviously, Cowboys versus Bucks, 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Chargers, Bucks versus Rams, and Steelers versus Packers. 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: So Tom Brady and uh three of those games, it's 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: pretty pretty notable. I've been an interesting theory on all 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: those games because I've I've talked to a lot of people. 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: It is the advent and the emergence of these gambling 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: platforms DraftKings, Fan Duel, MGM, Caesar's where you used to 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: just bet the game, the line in the game, Okay, 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: we I'm given seven and a half point, so the 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: over under is forty two. I'm taking the over the under. 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: But it's the game continues. You can bet on who's 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: going to score the next touchdown. You can bet on 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: whether that's going to the game is going to end 56 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: uh in an even number of points or an odd 57 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: number of points. So right to the very very end, 58 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: until if clock reads zero zero zero, people are still 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: gambling on the game on some different prop bed And 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: I know I heard from a bunch of young people 61 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: who were over someone's house watching one day. And if 62 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: they if a guy named Pat Fryarmouth of the Pittsburgh 63 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: steel has caught a touchdown pass in the last two 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: minutes of the game, they were gonna win nine d 65 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: dollars and they kept the game on because of that. 66 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons that we've 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: seen as a real surge at seventeen percentages at Scarlett 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: in viewership. And you've got to wonder whether the advertising 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: rates for a spot near the end of the game 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: versus the middle of the game versus the start of 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the game, they're gonna start to be equalized. There's gambling 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: going on in this establishment. U s. Yeah, right, let's 73 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: move on to the next topic. Oh my goodness. Let's 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: this is. Let's start the golfing feud. These two guys, 75 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: they've dominated the golf head the lines, uh, and they're 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: gonna come to a head to head meeting Brooks Kepco 77 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: Rice in the Shambo. They'll face off on a twelve 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: whole match all novemberies at the wind Golf Club in 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. It's the mean on the green, like the 80 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Thrilla in Manila. You should you should be announcing for 81 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: this golf game, because I can't think of anything that 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: would bore me more than watching golf. But if the 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: announcer announces like you do, Bar, then I'd get into it. 84 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: I think i'd big them both. Man if I started 85 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: screaming as they're winning up four. But here comes the Shambo. 86 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: This is going to be a ratings Bananda. We were 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: just talking about ratings. Scarlett, this is gonna be a 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: big old ratings and Lynchy. This is because the two 89 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: guys don't like each other. They're like sworn rivals. Is 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: that right? Well, much of it has been captured on 91 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: social media. At one time, Brooks Captical was talking and 92 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: Bryson de Shambo, wearing metal cleats, was going clickity collect, 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: clickity collect behind him and kept could just start and 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: just shook his head and just slashed his train of 95 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: thought and said where where are we? And then this 96 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: is how golf players get mad at each other. Yes, 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Then then the Shambo comes back and says I'm living 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: rent free and Brooks kept hers head. Then so Kepta 99 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: get mad about that. So the two of them were 100 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: on the same Ryder Cup team and then when they 101 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: had their press conference and team picture with the trophy 102 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: Justin Thomas suggested the two of them embrace each other 103 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and give a hug. And now we've come to this. 104 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: But this, this is gonna be good because golf is 105 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: supposed to be the gentleman's game. It's polite, not with 106 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: clickaty clack, click clack, going on, clicky clack down the 107 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: track cleanly clacked. There's gonna be some smack, that's right, 108 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: the mean on the green. But you know what's interesting 109 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: is that I understand that this is going to feature 110 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: open mics, which is a normal thing on the players 111 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: during the competition, and they'll be able to talk to 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: each other, talk to up commentators. So we're going to 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: be listening very closely for them trading insults. They better 114 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: have a seven seconds. Took the words right out of 115 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: my mouth, big Mike bar, because I got I got 116 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: my finger on my cough button right here. And you 117 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: remember the old days in the radio when the producer 118 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: would sit there when you get this call and you'd 119 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: always have the you always have the finger on the 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: on the seven second delay button on that on whether 121 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: someone gets peeped up. Yeah, okay, you can get on 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: anything you want when it comes to sports, that's gonna 123 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: be by the way, I should say Turner Sports. They're 124 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: gonna air that. It's gonna be the day after Thanksgiving 125 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: on tea and that is the day after Thanksgiving. Man, 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: everybody's going to be watching them on the couch. Leftovers, 127 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, turkey sandwich, loosen up the belt a little bit, 128 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 1: on the couch and perfect. This is the fifth edition 129 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, this is the first one. Uh. It 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: was Deshambo and Aaron Rodgers. They faced off against Phil 131 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Nicholson and Tom Brady. But this is gonna be something else. 132 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Tom Brady shows up everywhere in this show. Uh. 133 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of Boston folks, the Boston Marathon, it is coming up. 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: It's coming up very soon. Uh. And I'm used to 135 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: it being in April for many, many years, and this 136 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: is the first time I have to get my head 137 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: wrapped around this lenchy that it's coming up in October, 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: right around the corner. Yeah, and it's used, it's always 139 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: been well, it's been on Patriots Day, the third Monday 140 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: in April for a long long time. Hundred and twenty 141 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: five edition of the Boston Marathon. First time it was 142 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: ever canceled was twenty obviously because of the pandemic. But 143 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: what this is a boon for is all the restaurants, 144 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: all the hotels, all the people that work on this marathon. 145 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: But most importantly, this is what this race has become 146 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: UH is a big, big fundraiser for charity. Over the 147 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: last twenty years, the Boston Marathon has generated more than 148 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: close to a half a billion dollars for local charities. 149 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: UH in terms of economic impact for the for the 150 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: greater Boston region two years ago, the last time it 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: was run in twenty nineteen, more than two hundred million 152 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: of dollars of infusion in the local economy right here. 153 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: So it's a win win for everybody. One of my 154 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: sons in law is running on Monday. UM, he's pretty 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: pumped up about it. And just to add a little 156 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: more congestion to the area and a little more a 157 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of more money coming into town. The Red Sox 158 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: are hosting the Tampa Bay Ray's on Monday as well, 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: about well maybe half a mile from the finish line, 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: So it should be a jam pack fun event on 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Monday here in Boston. I was just looking at the 162 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: schedule and I think a week and a half later 163 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: the head of the Charles comes to Boston as well 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: in on October twenty two to along with just the 165 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: usual people who come in to check out the foliage 166 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: and and look at Boston at its finest during the fall. Yeah, 167 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: come on up you, we'll show you all our championship banners, 168 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: and we'll give you the tour of the town and 169 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: no charge at all for the two of you. What 170 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: was that? So what happens here? Um now that it's 171 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: being held in October next year? In two does it 172 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: go back to April? Goes back to April. And one 173 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: of the problems here is that is that the day 174 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: before u this Sunday is the Chicago Marathon, and last 175 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: Sunday was the London Marathon. So they've been they have 176 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: gotten some of the elite people to come and run here. 177 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: You know, people don't run marathons every day. There's a 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: long time to downtime, then to recover and then to 179 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: train again. But yes, so it goes back to April 180 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: next year and then the following month New York City 181 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: they run their marathon. Right, so all that's going on, 182 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and you're right, with all that going on, the Red 183 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Sox the marathon traveling by foot probably will be the 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: best way to get around Boston. Uh, FIFA, U Scarlett, 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: I'm sure your boys play these games, this video game. 186 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: Let me explain right quick. FIFA soccer video games. They 187 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of copies worldwide, and now that may 188 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: cease to exist in the current form after their publisher 189 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: e A Sports is in the game said it was 190 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: considering renaming them. I know, So what happens here? Does 191 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: it just become some kind of generic E A soccer 192 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: game or e A football game that will be confusing 193 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: to anyone who's American. But people don't talk about their 194 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: video games in terms of oh, I want to play 195 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: the Cocker game. They say I want to play FIFA 196 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: FIFA one, you know, or FIFA twenty. I know my 197 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: kids would say I want to play NHL. So losing 198 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: that that licensing or renaming the game changes everything. I mean, 199 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: do they name it like it's Madden in football? Do 200 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: they do it? Ronaldo? Did they do it? Pelee? Did 201 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: they pick up some world famous name and so just 202 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: end up confusing people? Well I don't. I mean, if 203 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: if Madden's Madden works for for football, what are another 204 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: name work for the beautiful game. Maybe, but you have 205 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: to not train, you'd have to educate a whole lot 206 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: of people about how it's the same game. But it's just, oh, 207 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: we lost the naming rights. I mean it's I don't 208 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: know that kids have that attention span. You brought up 209 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: a good point, and I didn't think about that. It's 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: like when we call these video games. Yeah, I'm gonna 211 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: play FIFA two, I'm gonna play Madden. I'm gonna We 212 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: don't think of it. Oh yeah, let me grab that 213 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: soccer game the show. Yeah, let me play the football game. 214 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: Let me play the soccer game. I want to play baseball. 215 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh no MLB twenty two. Because 216 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: of course there are different editions, right, and in some 217 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: versions of the game, like the player that you like 218 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: has better stats and does better than in you know, 219 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: the game two years ago. So that's how everyone refers 220 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: to it. I'm gonna play Monopoly. Coming up today, we're 221 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: speaking with MLB Network lead analyst Harold Reynolds, and I'm 222 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: excited to talk with this gentleman and his perspective on 223 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the game is second to none. Mr Reynolds, Welcome to 224 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Business of Sports again. Hey, thanks to the kind intro. 225 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: We'll see if it's still done at the end of this. Yeah, well, 226 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: let me ask about your thoughts about this this baseball season. 227 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: It's exciting and if you want excitement, think about what 228 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: happened in the n L Wild Card game Drama up 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: on drama. Can you take us through what this season 230 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: has been. Yeah, you know, it has been exciting here. Um. 231 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hard to believe that we only 232 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: play six see games last year and so you're you're 233 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: playing a hundred sixty two. So the challenge first off 234 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: was gonna be how do you stress guys basically from 235 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: zero to sixty or all the way adding another hundred games? 236 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: You know, how healthy will guys be? How much pitching 237 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: can you get that type of stuff. I thought the 238 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: players stepped up. The teams played really well, and we're 239 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: seeing it now in the postseason. You look at the 240 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: the wild Card game with the Dodgers and the Cardinals 241 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: that really kind of talked about the season. You know, 242 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: you had great pitching, you had home run and you 243 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: know you had some great defense, and that's really what 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: you're looking for in a baseball season. It was very 245 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: competitive game. What about the business of baseball? I mean 246 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the teams now have fans back in the stands, clear 247 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: contrast to what we had last year a full season. Um, 248 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: how does it feel to be covering the sport again? 249 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: Do you kind of just not ignore what happened last year? 250 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: But everything is in comparison to when it was last normal. No, 251 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I mean you have to go back 252 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: to to that of the nineteen to look at it. 253 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: But um, it was great having fans back in the stands. 254 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean, one, the energy was was off the charge. 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: But you looked at also just on the business side, 256 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: from ticket sales to uh, jersey sells. You know, you 257 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: look at Mookie Betts once again the highest selling jersey 258 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: and you know he's becoming an international star here and uh, 259 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: just watching the growth of players and really clearly on 260 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: the field, I thought, because fans were in the stands, 261 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it just took the excitment level of the game to 262 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: another level as well. So, um, yeah, revenues are up. 263 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: Everything was really good as really solid year. Hey Harold, 264 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: it's Mike Lynch up in Boston. Of course, we're pretty 265 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: happy up here these days, you know, it's the start 266 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: of football season. Everybody loves to watch football. Major League 267 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Baseball could not have scripted a better wild card matchup 268 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: than Red Sox Yankees. And now you've got the Dodgers 269 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: and Cardinals, with the Dodgers winning, and now you've set 270 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: up the second greatest rivalry in baseball, Dodgers and Giants. 271 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a huge, huge leap from Major 272 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: League Baseball in every phase. Well, you mentioned a bad 273 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: word in football, because you know, they've really, uh figured 274 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: everything out. You know, they've got it rolling with from 275 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: revenue to fan viewership, you name it. So yeah, they're 276 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: a competitive model now. And for baseball the land with 277 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the rivalries you just talked about, and then heading to 278 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: the Giants and and Dodgers and having that, we needed it. 279 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to have fans back in 280 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: the stands, but you want to have interest in your 281 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: in your product. And clearly, uh, those teams are gonna 282 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: draw people. You either love them or you hate them, 283 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: but you gotta watch them. And so we needed that. 284 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: And really, if you look at it across the board, 285 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: generally speaking, the Dodgers and uh, you know, the Yankees 286 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: and the Red Sox and we got high payroll teams 287 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: that are you know, really have the most stars on 288 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: the clubs, so that that's an attraction for fans as well. 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: So it's very important to get off to that good start. 290 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: And the matchups really fell right for baseball. And it's 291 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: not just baseball that needed the crowd. All of those 292 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: guys there, the vendors, the restaurants, and the bars that 293 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: are around these stadiums, they are very thankful to have 294 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: the fans back. Well, I'm glad you touched on that, 295 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: because if you look at the what what's happening around 296 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the bamparks, it's the creativity of the properties around them, 297 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, like St. Louis. I know that game is 298 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: played in Los Angeles, but that whole pavilion they've built 299 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: in St. Louis where you can watch games, Boston's transformed 300 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Fenway Park, that whole area, you know, So that's really 301 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: the model that a lot of these Mazor League teams 302 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: have gone to All Star Games in Denver this year, 303 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: and that whole area now around Corpse Field is built 304 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: up where ten years ago that was not the case. 305 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: So again, I know we're talking about revenue and we're 306 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: talking about fans appreciation and and and viewership and drawing 307 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: people to games, but it's also the venues around that 308 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: keep those people there. And I know that's one of 309 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: the things that the Miami Marlins are looking at, is 310 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: that their their stadiums right down right there in Little Havana, 311 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: and if people leave that area to go home, they 312 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: don't come back to the game. So they're trying to 313 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: create that area as well where you're gonna keep people around. 314 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: I think that's the model for most major leage teams 315 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: moving forward. I just think of the new venues like 316 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: San Diego has done that, and you know, that's that's 317 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: what we're starting to see now, and I think I 318 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: think it's important for the sport, and it's it's also 319 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: been a fun place to go for a fan, to 320 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: be able to hang out and and stay right around 321 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: the ballpark. Yeah. But I mean in contrast that, then 322 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: you have Tampa, right, I mean, Trump Cannafield is um 323 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: not winning a lot of fans, UM And they're now, now, 324 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: why are you going there on that with me? They're 325 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,479 Speaker 1: talking of the possibility of splitting the season with Montreal, 326 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on there. What is it 327 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: that Tampa needs to to get back on track, aside 328 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: from a new stadium, which seems to be everyone's answer 329 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: to something like this. Yeah, it was kind of hard 330 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to get away from the new stadium. And it's not 331 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: necessarily just the new stadium, but it's the location. And 332 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: even though I talked about the other ballparks, it's the 333 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: location of those parks that have made them work and 334 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: made them sustainable. Tampa is just in a in a 335 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: area that doesn't make a lot of sense for that demograph, 336 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: and that that that reason to draw. So it's always 337 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: going to come back to the stadium there And I 338 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: think that's why baseball is open enough to say, yeah, 339 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: we'll explore the possibility of going to Montreal. Does that 340 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: add to the value of the franchise or does it 341 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: take away from It depends on the franchise. If you're 342 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: if it's sustainable, you're gonna add to I mean, I'll 343 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: take the Toronto Blue Days for example. I played ten 344 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: years in Seattle and when we played the Blue Days, 345 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: it was like a home game for every Canade the end, 346 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, they all came down to Seattle and there 347 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: would be more fans that were blue Jay fans, and 348 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: there were Mariner fans. So could you imagine if the 349 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Blue Jay said, Hey, we're gonna play half our games 350 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: in Vancouver and then we'll play the other half in Toronto. 351 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: In that case, I think they would sell out everywhere 352 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: they went in Canada. But I don't know if that 353 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: works for Tampa. To be in in Tampa and say 354 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to Montreal, well you don't have that identification. 355 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: So I think it depends on the franchise. Yeah, it's 356 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: about to I gotta go there. It's time to talk 357 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: about collective bargaining. Uh will there be let's put it 358 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: this way, will there be a work stoppage? Well, honestly, 359 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: I really don't know. Um, it's been difficult. I think 360 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: if you look at what's happened so far, we're transpired 361 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: with trying to work agreements to get the players on 362 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the field during the pandemic. Um, it didn't go smooth 363 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: that you would think. You look at hockey, they did 364 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: it real quick. Hey we're in a pandemic. Let's move 365 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: in a couple of years. Will figure it out. Um, 366 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: that has not happened, and so UM it's different. We 367 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: have not had a work stoppage in you know, twenty 368 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: some years in baseball, and I spent four years of 369 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: my twelve year Maaze League career either locked out or 370 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: in three strikes. So it wasn't pretty that that that 371 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: has not been the case in the last twenty some years. 372 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: So the fact that there has not been a work 373 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: stoppage in twenty some years makes me so optimistic to 374 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: work something out. But I just don't know at this 375 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: point in time. Who's more incentivized to to strike a deal. Look, 376 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: our game cannot afford a work stoppage, but both they 377 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: do seem to be bracing for one, no doubt. Well, 378 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: anytime you have a work stoppage, it falls on the 379 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: owners as far as bad publicity. And I think we've 380 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: got a different group of ownership than when I was playing. 381 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: You know, I played for the guy that was like, hey, 382 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: this is my family team. My grandma passed it down 383 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: to my grandpa. You know. Now it's corporations at on it. 384 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: So you've got a little different, uh incentive in a 385 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: different direction. I think. Um, when I was playing, it 386 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: was more of the players were really, how you're gonna 387 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: make a lot of money. I think these this ownership 388 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: group understands they're making money outside of this, and I 389 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: think they understand also that the players are going to 390 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: help you continue to increase your revenue. Before as a player, 391 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: I just felt like it was always about the team 392 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: and not the individual. You know, today we're promoting the 393 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: individual player a lot more. You hear about Soto, you 394 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: hear about a tuna, you know, you hear about that 395 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: more so than you hear about the Lanta Raise or 396 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: the Washington Nationals. And so that makes me feel like, Uh, 397 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: this ownership group understands marketing and understands monetizing their asset, 398 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: which is the players. And so I think they really 399 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: are willing to be partners in that sense. Harold, Were 400 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: they mandate for a vaccination be a deal breaker for 401 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: the for the player's side, I don't know. I know 402 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: there's a number of players, there's a number of teams 403 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: that that, uh have not got to that point yet. Uh. Personally, 404 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for the mandate. I think I think 405 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: we need to be vaccinating players. And if we're asking 406 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: employees across the board, you know here at MLB Network, 407 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: you can't go in our building unless you're vaccinated and 408 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: the same thing is happening with with ball clubs doing 409 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: that with all their employees. But why would players receive 410 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: special treatment? I don't see that. So I think, if 411 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna get through this pandemic and we really believe 412 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: that we're all in for it, then you know the 413 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: mandates are working, and hopefully I would I would think 414 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: that would not be a deal breaker. I think I 415 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: would hope that the union would look at it as 416 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: something that we need to do. But I know that 417 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: they fight for individual rights all the time and they 418 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: may be totally different than I do. Kurd Flood has 419 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: to be looking down when we talk about free agency, 420 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: because back in his day it was totally different. He 421 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: was the man that helped drive to put this to 422 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: where it is today. First of all, with free agency 423 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: for for players, where's that status? And second of all, 424 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: when you talk about big names like a Max Searcher 425 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: or Clayton Kershaw, where do you think they'll end up? Well, 426 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: the revenues are so high now it's hard. That's when 427 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: I was going through it. The minimum salary main league 428 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: Baseball is thirty thou dollars, you know, So to to 429 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: tell the common man, we're fighting for more money. He 430 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: understood that when the minimum salary now it's five hundred 431 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: thousand and the average salaries over two and a half 432 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: three million, it's hard for people to sit there. And 433 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: we got like several players making over a hundred million, 434 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: and probably a handful that make over three hundred million. 435 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of hard to sell fans 436 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: on we're striking because we need more money, you know, 437 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: or need more things that we need to get. So 438 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: that makes it very difficult of an argument. And so 439 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: when it comes to free agency, um, we clearly all 440 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Oh Kurt flooded a debtic gratitude just for what he 441 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: went through and fought for. And I'm hoping today's player 442 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: understands that when you go through these certain things, it's 443 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: not for you, it's for the next generation moving forward. 444 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: And so as they continue to push the envelope, I 445 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: would hope that they would look at and recognize they 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: need to bring the bottom up. The top is getting 447 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot of money already. I mean, you've you've got 448 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: a minimum salary, like I said, a five hundred thousand, 449 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: but you've got probably a thousand players at that minimum 450 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 1: compared to the the fifty six hundred players that are 451 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: way above the threshold of a hundred. So I think 452 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: that's that's where they got to go to to bring 453 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: the bottom players up and share that. Well, do you 454 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: think free agency works better in baseball than saying football? 455 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: I just think of how at the start of the 456 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: football season there there's so much drama surrounding signings. I mean, 457 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: how would you grade free agency in the MLB versus 458 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, baseball is the model. Everybody's followed baseball, 459 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: So I think baseball's got it right. Um. I know 460 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: that the one thing you might discuss or see discussed 461 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: is the age limit or the years of service. That 462 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: might be something that everybody talks about. But as a 463 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: model for free agency and determine that baseball has got 464 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: the best, you know, you look at football. Uh, they 465 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: had a linebacker last week from the from the Cowboys 466 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: get released after he signed up you know, seventy million 467 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: dollar contract. It's still not guaranteed baseball, if it doesn't 468 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: matter if if Lynn Door has another bad season, he's 469 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: getting this three million. You know, it's a guaranteed contract. 470 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: And so that's the difference when it comes to free agency. 471 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: The model that Baseball put in if that money is guaranteed, 472 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: and that's the difference. And I think every sport striving 473 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: for that. Analytics in baseball and I remember I used 474 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: to have the old Strata matic baseball game and that's it. 475 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: Those were the analytics that you had. And now today 476 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: you have so many data services providing this for fantasy 477 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: sports players. It is totally changed today. What do you 478 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: think about it, Well, it's definitely changed the game. Um, 479 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: it's not going anywhere. I mean, we gotta saying that 480 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: at the network. If you you don't understand analytics, you're 481 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: gonna be out of the game real quick. And so 482 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: it's a different language. I do see when it first 483 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: came in there was a lot of confusion and a 484 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: lot of fights. Um, it's been a little overbearing. I 485 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: think at times, I think this a little bit too much. 486 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: The game's a look a lot simpler than they try 487 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: to make it. Um. Nothing irritates me more than watching 488 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: a player looking in his hat to see where to 489 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: stand when you play the guy twenty times, excuse me, 490 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: I think you know where he's gonna hit the ball. Um, 491 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: you know so. So things like that, driving me nuts 492 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: like that Kevin Termeyer play right when he split in 493 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: he took the card and everybody lost their minds. I'm like, 494 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: they've played eighteen times. Okay, I don't know what he 495 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: can have on that card that they don't already know. 496 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: You know so, But um so, I think there's there's 497 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: there's a little bit over. But what analytics has done, 498 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: They've done a great job of being an identifier, telling 499 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: you what weaknesses are, what needs to be worked on, 500 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: and things like that. The detriment I think is we've 501 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: got rid of the problem solvers. It's one thing to 502 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: have a guy tell you, hey, Harold, you're chasing the ball. 503 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: You're chase rate is terrible, you're chasing this many pitches 504 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: out of his own but can't sit there and tell 505 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: you how to fix it. You gotta have somebody who 506 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: can fix it for you. And so I think we're 507 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: art in now two. Bring back a lot more baseball instructors, 508 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: baseball people that makes sense of the numbers. And I 509 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: think the game is really starting to turn and it's 510 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: getting better because of it. All. I got to ask 511 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: you about the length of the games. Um, I'm a 512 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: hockey fan and an average hockey game is about two 513 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: hours twenty minutes. The NFL there's not a lot of action, 514 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people huddling and you know, very 515 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: exciting meetings or not. That's about three hours twelve minutes um. 516 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: The NBA is you know, really fast, two hours eleven minutes, 517 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: the MLB three hours and ten minutes. And that's not 518 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: a good day, feels like. I mean, if you have 519 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: a playoff game that begins at eight oh seven first pitch, 520 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: how do you get people to watch knowing that the 521 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: ending won't come until probably after eleven PM on the 522 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: East Coast when the kids need to go to bed. Well, 523 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: it's a challenge, no doubt about it. But I think 524 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: the answer is in the excitement of the game. If 525 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: if they're if the balls in play and there's activity, 526 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: then it goes by right and people are engaged in it. 527 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: When when baseball runs into problems, is ball one, ball too, 528 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: ball three, ball four, walk, next batter, foul ball at 529 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: full count? Forgot the meeting, the meeting on the mound, 530 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: and the meeting on the mount, and before you know it, 531 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: the ball has not been in play in five minutes. 532 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: You know, that's the challenge, there's no action. So I 533 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: think if there's action and things happening, uh, nobody's real 534 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: worried about the three hours. But if if not, then 535 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: it's a problem. And then the other thing I hope 536 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: we look into At baseball, it's starting to games a 537 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: little bit earlier, you know, because I mean we're losing 538 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: a younger generation who can't stay up and watch the 539 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: end of the games. You know, as a kid who 540 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: grew up on the West Coast, you know, one of 541 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: my favorite things was to watch a World Series game 542 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: and it might be at nine am Eastern and to start, 543 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean nine am Pacific, and it started new and Eastern. 544 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: I watched the whole game. So now we're starting games 545 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: later for prime time and advertisement. I get it, but 546 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: I think it's difficult for kids to to to be 547 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: able to stay up, and we gotta figure out that 548 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: puzzle to reach that next generation. So so, Harold, what 549 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: drives me crazy too? I played high school, I played 550 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: college baseball. The meeting on the mound. Can they just 551 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: limit Can you imagine every time if if Tom Brady 552 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: through three in complete passes that Bill Belichick called time out, 553 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: went out to the huddle, and talk to him for 554 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: two or three minutes, and then to the referee, came 555 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: over and said, that's an up bill, let's go, And 556 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: then he threw three more incompletion, and he went out 557 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: and visited him again. Why can't they beat yourself the 558 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: way you signal third base coach or the catcher, you 559 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: know what what you what signs you want? Can't you 560 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: do the same thing to the picture from the dugout? 561 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Can we eliminate this this team meeting at the mound? 562 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: It might save ten or fifteen minutes per game, or 563 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: or add VR to it, right, add some technology technology 564 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: to it and make it more interesting and exciting. We 565 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: put up in earpiece your earpiece in the picture? Would 566 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: that ever work? Harold? You guys are touching on everything. Uh, 567 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: there's actually a company working on that with Major Baseball 568 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: right now. So one, let's tackle the first part. Um. Yeah, 569 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: they've cut down the mountain meetings now because you do 570 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: have a limit on how many times you go there. Um. Secondly, yeah, 571 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: the technology is a big part. Um. They're using it 572 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: now in the minor leagues a little bit as a 573 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: test where the catcher. You see those risk guards all 574 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: the time, like the quarterbacks. But inside this one you 575 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: actually have an electronic grid that you can hit the 576 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: buttons like, okay, this is a fastball down the way, 577 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: this is a curveball up, and then you know whatever, 578 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: although hopefully you don't throw a curveball off, but but 579 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: you have these different things on the risk guard that 580 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: you can go to the pits and there's an airpiece 581 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: that goes in the hat that the picture can hear 582 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: and it goes curveball down in a way, you know, 583 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: and he shakes his head no. Then he puts another 584 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: sequence and it goes fastball up and end, you know. So, 585 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: and here's the cool part of it that baseball being 586 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: such an international game and so many people come from 587 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: different parts of the world that let's say, my my 588 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: short stop is a is fluent in Spanish, they can 589 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: have that in Spanish for him to hear what the 590 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: pitches are. And my second basis from Japan, so they 591 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: can have that in Japanese. So they're they're they're making 592 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: it in everybody's native tongue. Uh, and you can do 593 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: those type of things. So we're getting there. I think 594 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: the technology is moving it forward and and they're doing 595 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: and tested in the mire leagues and guys are loving it. 596 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: So that will help speed up the game, no doubt. 597 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: And it's pretty cool, uh to do as well. This 598 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: leads into the next question that I like that man, 599 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: that would be I could just see the guy holding 600 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: the hat on his head right now. It's like wait 601 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: and getting the signal Here's like that would be good, man, 602 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: that'd be cool. What do you think about not looking 603 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: in their hat for and before before we get to 604 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: the Michael's next question when they when they at some 605 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: and it might have been my my former intern, Uh, 606 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: it might have been cal Rabbits who said it, but 607 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: he called it a cheat sheet, which I think is 608 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: the worst moniker you want to have in baseball right now? 609 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: Is a cheat sheet? Right with all that's going on 610 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: with the Astros and the Red Sox, right absolutely right? 611 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what what happened to like, you know, 612 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: the bench coach says, okay, shade over a little bit 613 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: to left center field. Okay, shade over more towards the line. 614 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: This guy's a pole hitter. What what was wrong with 615 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: all that? Why do we need like these little cheat 616 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: sheets and helmets in the back pocket? It infuriates me. 617 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you I have a quick story. You know, 618 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: I played with Cal Ripken in Baltimore, and every time 619 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: the catch will put a sign down. You know, Cal's 620 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: played two thousands some games and he's sequencing in his 621 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: head how to get a guy out, and I would 622 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: hear him a short like, no, it wasn't the sign 623 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: he thought I should be. So we're playing. We get 624 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: close to the Toronto the Joe Carter walk off team, 625 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: and and now we're back in the race. And it's 626 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: late August, and we got a four game homestand and 627 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: Ben McDonald has a base is loaded and Cal comes 628 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: to the mound where all their pitching coach came out. 629 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: Pitching coach goes back. I hear a whistle and I 630 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: look up and Cal still at the mount. Let's go back, 631 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: he goes, I'm calling all the pitches, fastball. He touched 632 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: his hat, Chessie touches his breaking ball, and down his 633 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: leg's gonna be a fastball. So I'm standing a second, 634 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking at cow catchers looking at Cal, and he's 635 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: calling all the pitches. There's certain ways to do it. Yeah. 636 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: The point is he didn't have a two card in 637 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: his head to figure out where to stand and what 638 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: a guy might hit. So I just got all the 639 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: way we used to do it on the on the 640 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: old field man, when I was a kid man playing baseball. Man. 641 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: That brings me to the next point. I love to 642 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: get more youth into the game in terms of getting 643 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: the kids to get more excited about baseball. How do 644 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: we do that? Well, I I think you touched on it, 645 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: you know when you were a kid, you know, on 646 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: the stateladd or out in the field or whatever you 647 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: guys called your own pitches, your own What's happening now 648 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: I see it in youth baseball is you got all 649 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: these coaches controlling the game. I want to tell every 650 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: coach you didn't do that. Have that when your parents 651 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: when you were playing. Let the kids call games, play 652 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: the game because it's a game. And I think that's 653 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: why soccer has taken off so much. You know, I 654 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: have younger kids who are playing soccer. The coach isn't 655 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: yelling left foot, right foot. They're playing, But in baseball, 656 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: we're sitting there going elbow up, don't swing do that, 657 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: And it's let the kids play and figure out the game. 658 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: For themselves, and then you will engage them in saying 659 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: this is fun instead of feeling like, uh, this is 660 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: more of a chore than something to enjoy. So I'm 661 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: glad you bring that up, because every youth sport has 662 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: some kind of travel team circuit. I mean, my kids 663 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: play hockey and they're on travel teams for years. I 664 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: feel like it krying of crushes that idea of let 665 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: the kids have fun, because it professionalizes it to the 666 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: extent that it can. And you can't just be an 667 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: average kid who wants to try out of sport and 668 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: learn how to play and enjoy it, right. You have 669 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: to be fully committed for that season and during the 670 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: off season as well. There's spring hockey, there's summer hockey, 671 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's the same for every sport. Is 672 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: that a hindrance, No doubt about it. It is. And 673 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, I have younger kids who played, and I 674 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: remember my my my youngest when he was ten years old. 675 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: He would be playing a great athlete playing different sports 676 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: who want to play everything, but that coach, whatever the 677 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: season was, would say, oh, he's got to be here 678 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: all year round, and I have to fight them at ten. 679 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna do. He doesn't even know. 680 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: Let him figure it out. And the last thing I 681 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: threw out there, we had I live in Montclair, New Jersey, 682 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: and we had a whiffleball tournament that was fund raiser 683 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: for one of the travel teams. And the coolest thing 684 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: was the kids picked their own teams, three or four 685 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: kids on the team, and it's the whole town and 686 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: they played whiffleball and no coaches, no parents. It was 687 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: the kids picking the teams and plan to a tournament 688 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: and it was the coolest thing. So I think we 689 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: gotta let kids play. I think we've got to get 690 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: back to local sports, not all this travel stuff, but 691 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: let let it be affordable where kids can play locally. 692 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: You don't have to travel to be found. And that's 693 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing we've got to continue to change. I 694 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: love that you don't have to travel to be found. Um, Harold, 695 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about whether you watch Manning 696 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: cast Peyton and Eli Manning on Monday Night football or 697 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: on the sidelines of football. I mean, what what do 698 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: you learn from that? Because they people are saying that 699 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: they're revolutionizing sports broadcasting, and as a sports broadcaster, when 700 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: you watch them, what do you learn from them? And 701 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: what do you want to take away from that and 702 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: and implement into your own broadcast. Well, we started doing 703 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of that early in the summer. We 704 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: called c C c C Games. CC Sabathia sits with 705 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: a group of his former teammates and watch a game. 706 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: And what I take away from it is we've taken 707 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: away the I who's telling us all the obvious stuff 708 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: that's on the screen already? You know, why do you 709 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: have to tell me it comes to three one? You 710 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: know already see it. It's upthing on the screen, you know. 711 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: So what that does is there's only so much time 712 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: to speak and talk. Now what Peyton and Eli have done, 713 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: and I really think it started with Tony Romo. The 714 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: reason Tony Romo is so great is Jim nance let's 715 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 1: you talk. You know, he's talking, Oh look at here, 716 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be open on the flat right there, instead 717 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: of Jim Nace going this is third and ten and 718 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: this is the you know, they left Tony talk. And 719 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: so I think what happened with Peyton and Eli. They 720 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: got the clicker. They're taking fans inside their thinking, but 721 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: they're talking and they're not talking about the obvious that's 722 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: up on the screen we can all read. And uh so, 723 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: I think that's why it's been so engaging. You're listening 724 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: to the players, are taking you into the huddle, into 725 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: the mindset of the competitiveness, and they're telling us what's 726 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: gonna happen before it happens, because they're seeing it and 727 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: that's the beauty of it. And uh so, I think 728 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: that's why it's been so engaging. So to take me 729 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: inside the Tampa Bay raise, How are they so successful 730 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: every year with one of the lowest payrolls in baseball 731 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,919 Speaker 1: a year after year after they went to the World 732 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: Series last year and the analytics probably cost them the 733 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: World Series last year, by the way, when Kevin Cash 734 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: came out and got Charlie Morton, But that's another story. 735 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: How have they been able to be so competitive? Held well, 736 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: they've got a model that works. I think one thing 737 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: they've done real well is they basically have said we're 738 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: not signing high price free agents. Here's what we're gonna do. 739 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: And they've been able to develop and take their top 740 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: tier prospects all the way back to b j Upton 741 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: and trade them. You know, Longoria traded them to keep 742 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: this wheel going, and they get back prime talent, and 743 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: when that talent gets to a point where they're gonna 744 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: be making big money, they're able to spend them off 745 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: to the big market games and get their prospects. So 746 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: they've been able to keep that going. But I think 747 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: discipline has really been a big part of it. You know, 748 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, taking your starting pitcher out 749 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: of the World Series when he's on a roll, and 750 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: that was what got them there. I don't know if 751 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: I can say this got us here, this is what 752 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: we're doing, but that's what they do. And here they 753 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: are once again, you know, charging through the playoffs and 754 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: and really taking down the big dollar teams in the 755 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Red Sox and the Yankees. Well, you know, you always 756 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: have a welcome home with us, man, Harold Reynolds, thank 757 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us here on the Bloomberg 758 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: Business of Sports. Always the pleasures there. Thank you guys, 759 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: such great questions and and so so needed, So thanks, 760 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: so much, appreciate you. Harold Reynolds is always very interesting 761 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: to talk to, and so many thoughts that go through 762 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: my head. Scarlett, what did you take away from this. 763 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: I see him all the time, and I hear him 764 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: all the time when I'm watching baseball games, So it's 765 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating to be able to talk to him 766 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: and just get to lave the land on things. What 767 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: I liked was the inside baseball ha ha no pun 768 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: intended of him admiring Eli and Peyton Manning's uh broadcast 769 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: and what they're doing, and and how he might be 770 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: able to incorporate some of that into what he does 771 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: day in and day out. Lenchie, what did you think 772 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: well when you talking about the labor agreement expiring, most 773 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: ex players are ex are ex players for life. Their 774 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: union guys, they stand by it. And he seemed to 775 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: think that the game of baseball is broken and needs 776 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: to be fixed, and there has to be some flexibility 777 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: with the players union, especially with mandatory vaccinations. Um all 778 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: this big money that they that they are making because 779 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: they are losing fans and young boys and girls to 780 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: lacrosse in the spring and football season is when the 781 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: playoffs are happening in baseball and they need people to 782 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: to to to reconnect with the game of baseball. So 783 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: I like the fact that he's that he's all in 784 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: for the good of the game, not the rights of 785 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: the players and players. I always loved that the Kurt 786 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: Flood when we talk about the free agency, and he said, 787 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: all the players in this league need to thank Kurt 788 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: Flood and understand what he did for them. And back 789 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: in the day, when the average salary for baseball player, 790 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: like he said, was about thirty dollars, the average person 791 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: could understand, Okay, I get why you want more money. 792 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: But now when you're making just oodles and oodles of money, 793 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: it's it's harder for the average fan to say, Okay, 794 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 1: go out there and make more money. I also thought 795 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: it was interesting that he said that the current ownership 796 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: of MLB teams has um evolved to understand that the 797 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: players are the stars and it's not the team brand 798 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: that that sells seats that gets people into stadiums, and 799 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: so they work with that. They understand that the players 800 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: make a lot of their money, if not most of 801 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: their money off the field, and they work with that 802 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: as opposed to resisting it. That's a lot of that's 803 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: like the NBA talking right there, because the players make 804 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: are the are the stars, and like you said, it's 805 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: like the team is like okay, but you know, the 806 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: MLB is more tied to tradition than say the NFL 807 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: or the other leagues. I mean, baseball is all about 808 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: how it's always been done, right. I've always said, this 809 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: is the way the Tigers have always done it. I 810 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: had to bring them in. Yes, of course I'm not 811 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: in germ. Kids. Feels better to be than the one, 812 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: than number five. I'll wear a number because of Mike. 813 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 1: We have a chance to go for three in a row. 814 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: Good numbers are a good time. When I first started 815 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: wearing the number, how we just have the improud Bloomberg 816 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: business of sports. The number of the week. You know 817 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: what it's time for now, everybody, let's huddle around the set. 818 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: Come on, children, let's go. It's time to play the 819 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: Number of the week. So let me set this up. 820 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: Chris Taylor, you get a dramatic walk off home running 821 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: the nl Wild Card Game to advance the Dodgers to 822 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: the nld US against the Giants. Now, as we've been 823 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about salaries, According to Rhodo World and Baseball Prospectus, 824 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: Taylor signed a two year deal with Los Angeles for 825 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: how much? What position does he play? I forgot Chris Taylor. Um, 826 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good quess. Is he left 827 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: handed batter, right handed batter? Switch hitter? He's right handed 828 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: power hitter, hits for average, he's been hitting well this year. 829 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know baseball player salaries, 830 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: So I'll just throw this out there. What you said 831 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: two years, twenty million dollars? You said twenty million. Yeah, 832 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: I get the guests, get the guess he's going to 833 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: get it. Two year contract. Um, let's see six and 834 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: a half millions, six millions million? What? No, No, the 835 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: answer is thirteen point for million dollars and it's all guaranteed. 836 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how Lynchi does this. I really don't know. 837 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: Why don't we have Lynchi come up with the question 838 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: the number of the week? Next week, I'll screw it up. 839 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: It'll be uh what was the question again? It's I'll 840 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: mess it all up. I don't say how that's all guaranteed. 841 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's amazing. I give it up for him. 842 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 1: This has been the Bloomberg Business of sports show. We're 843 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: here each and every week at the same time, plus 844 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: online wherever you get your podcasts, and you can catch 845 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays on Michael Barr and Twitter 846 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: at Big Bar Sports. I'm Scarlett Food at Scarlett Food 847 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: and I'm Mike Lynch. You can follow me at Lynch 848 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: w CBB. Thank you again for joining us. Tune in 849 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: again next week for the latest on the stories moving 850 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: big money in the world of sports. 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