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Speaker 1: Welcome Back to Mets Uff presented by Fox One. We

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Speaker 1: know a big reason why the Mets missed the postseason

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Speaker 1: this year was because of their pitching. It simply wasn't

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Speaker 1: good enough. We didn't have a stopper, we didn't have

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Speaker 1: an ace. We lacked the pitching talent to make it

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Speaker 1: to the postseason. So, right now, if you've been anywhere

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Speaker 1: in the Mets baseball world, especially with the postseason going on,

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Speaker 1: ace talk is loud, it's proud, it's prevalent, and everyone

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Speaker 1: is saying that the Mets in a So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about whether or not the Mets do need an ace,

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Speaker 1: although I think we know we would love to have one.

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Speaker 1: Is there actually an ACE available this offseason, whether it

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Speaker 1: be through the free agent market, the trademarket, anywhere, is

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Speaker 1: there actually an ace available? What should the Mets do?

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a lot about pitching this offseason, but

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Speaker 1: we figured right now, because of the postseason, because everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about it, it'd be a good chance for us

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Speaker 1: to throw our hat in the ring and tell you

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Speaker 1: what we think. So, guys, if you are liking what

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Speaker 1: and subscribe. James, where do you want to start with

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Speaker 1: this ACE conversation?

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Speaker 2: I think we should just start with the pitchers that

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Speaker 2: are actually available, the ones that we know will be

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Speaker 2: available on the free agent market, and then after that

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Speaker 2: we can talk through those guys and then get into

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Speaker 2: some players I think will be available via trade. Because

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Speaker 2: to go run through the free agent pictures this offseason,

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Speaker 2: it is light. It's even lighter than years past. There

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Speaker 2: isn't really a frontline guy that's out there. And then

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Speaker 2: since there's no frontline guy out there, the guys are

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Speaker 2: up just devouring itself and kind of pricing out any

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Speaker 3: Then also we'll have the conversation whether the Mets should.

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Speaker 2: Actually continue to be proven, because this is the one

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Speaker 2: thing that is holding this team back. But I think

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Speaker 2: when you have to look at the free agent pitchers,

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Speaker 3: They will be free agents.

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Speaker 2: They'll probably both get the qualifying offer, which a whole

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Speaker 2: But with Framberg you get tons of consistency. There's two

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Speaker 2: hundred things a year. Has been one of the better

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Speaker 2: you also get some weird stuff with him where he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if there is an ace available on

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Speaker 1: that can sometimes be seen as toxic.

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Speaker 2: Probably maybe also if the money's right, I don't care

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Speaker 2: But I do think that if you have to give Framber,

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Speaker 2: So now suddenly I'm not as interested in something like

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Speaker 2: And that kind of is the crux of this conversation

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Speaker 2: So that's when all of these conversations get going, like,

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Speaker 2: you need an ACE, you need an ace.

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Speaker 3: Look how you win the playoffs? You need an ACE.

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Speaker 2: But then you kind of parse it out and realize, Okay,

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Speaker 2: But that's also where I think the ACE word gets lost,

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Speaker 2: because it's not that every team has an ACE. Every

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Speaker 2: simply will not and have not, well not this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like even below those guys like you mentioned Framber,

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Speaker 2: But two out of his last three years he was

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Speaker 2: He's still under thirty. He is another one of these

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Speaker 3: He's crapped that after like three or four starts.

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Speaker 2: But it's just he's He's the one that to me

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Speaker 3: Guys about the pitchers available. He's the one who seems

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Speaker 1: That one is the one that I think people are

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Speaker 2: Well this, I mean this, but this is how It's

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Speaker 2: the thing that's important to understand how these front officers

440
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Speaker 2: are thinking in times like this, especially because when you

441
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Speaker 2: Lazar though heading into last season, yes that part never,

442
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Speaker 2: you never would have considered him nearly a frontline pitcher,

443
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Speaker 2: let alone even a sure thing in the middle of

444
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Speaker 2: your rotation. And I think again, team like the Mardls

445
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Speaker 2: was like, we don't have a shortstop as far as

446
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Speaker 2: the eye can see, we're not even close to having any.

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Speaker 3: Short stop in this organization that we think could be

448
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Speaker 3: a short stop.

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Speaker 2: They spent five years accumulating second Basementser like, give us

450
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Speaker 2: a short stop that can guaranteed be like near goal

451
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Speaker 2: glove caliber defense. If we get a seven hundred OPS,

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Speaker 2: we think we smashed this trade. I think that's the thinking.

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Speaker 1: So that was the thinking. The problem is that Starling

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Speaker 1: Cabo has never even come close to that really in

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Speaker 1: the minors for a sustained period of time. And then

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Speaker 1: this year in the fifty games he played, he had

457
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Speaker 1: a six thirteen ops. He was horrible.

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Speaker 3: No Starlin Cabbo is on our softball team. He hit

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Speaker 3: like fifth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to give a sense. But then also at

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Speaker 2: the same time, for the Mets to have matched that price,

462
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Speaker 2: and we've heard this a little bit kind of squeak

463
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Speaker 2: out over the year, you probably would had to trade

464
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Speaker 2: Jet Williams for Hasus Lazar, though where at the time

465
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Speaker 2: if you would have traded someone who was considered the

466
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Speaker 2: best prospect, one of the three best prospects in your

467
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Speaker 2: system heading into the year for a pitch sure who'd

468
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Speaker 2: never really been consistently good ever one really good year

469
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Speaker 2: and a couple other times where was really good with inconsistency.

470
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Speaker 3: With health concerns.

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Speaker 2: People that have been freaking out streaming about how bad

472
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Speaker 2: trade that was. But again, all this is different in hindsight,

473
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Speaker 2: But that probably is more like the kind of move

474
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Speaker 2: the Mets have to make this offseason. Maybe someone below

475
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Speaker 2: this Joe Ryan Pabo Lopez here, Sandy al Contra stands out,

476
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Speaker 2: But I still don't know if he's an ACE either.

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Speaker 2: I think he's another guy who I really love, is

478
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Speaker 2: a two in the way he is now and I

479
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Speaker 2: trust him a lot moving forward, and he has the

480
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Speaker 2: velocity where I think that I'd much rather have thirty

481
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Speaker 2: six year old Sandial Contra than thirty six year old

482
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Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think Sandy is an ACE. I don't know.

484
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Speaker 1: I know he doesn't get the strikeout numbers of an ACE,

485
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Speaker 1: but the stuff is good, So I feel like that

486
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Speaker 1: could just be a slight tweak here there. But maybe

487
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Speaker 1: that also doesn't work for Sandy.

488
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Speaker 2: But let's also say this, like the slight tweak to

489
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Speaker 2: not getting a strikeouts, guys, out of an ACE that's

490
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Speaker 2: a regular season ace with the sample that you'll get

491
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Speaker 2: over one sixty two, but mostly because we've never really

492
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Speaker 2: seen him at big playoff innings at the molds are terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I guess he starts, doesn't get

494
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 1: whiffs like nothing when you Slider did a few years ago.

495
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Speaker 1: The Slider did not this, but.

496
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Speaker 3: He was at his best.

497
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Speaker 2: But the arm surgery was serious and we saw him

498
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Speaker 2: have a long recovery process this year get back to

499
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Speaker 2: what was close to himself by the end of the year,

500
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Speaker 2: still without the strikeouts. And I think that Sandia Condra

501
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Speaker 2: is a regular season ACE, but I do not know.

502
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Speaker 2: I do not know if this version of Sandy's a

503
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Speaker 2: postseason ACE. I think right now we just need a

504
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Speaker 2: regular season as That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's

505
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Speaker 2: also where we're trying to frame this conversation. Have this

506
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Speaker 2: distinction for you guys about who is considered as what

507
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Speaker 2: is an ACE.

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Speaker 1: Like briefly interrupting our dense ace pitcher talk to bring

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Speaker 1: you guys a little bit of a segment from DraftKings here.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we can't really do a player spotlight because

511
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Speaker 1: the Mets are out of it and we don't really

512
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Speaker 1: get the player spotlight anybody. But there is still playoff

513
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Speaker 1: baseball going on, and of course if you want to

514
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Speaker 1: get in on the action DraftKings Sportsbook is the best

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Speaker 1: place to do it. We've got the Tigers and the Mariners, though,

516
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Speaker 1: playing on Friday. That's the game that everybody's gonna be watching,

517
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Speaker 1: all eyes on that trek, Scooble on the mount, anything

518
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Speaker 1: in particular you're looking at James.

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Speaker 2: I would just be ready to bet anything for terror

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Speaker 2: schoolboy right now. I think whatever apps they give him

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Speaker 2: over they're probably gonna be looking like what seventeen and

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Speaker 1: I'm actually interested to see where his line would be,

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Speaker 1: just because it is a winner take all game. And

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Speaker 1: as much as I think school ball is gonna shove,

526
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Speaker 1: you do have the fear of if he ever gets

527
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Speaker 1: in any sort of trouble towards that, like end of

528
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Speaker 1: the fifth, sixth inning, they probably are gonna yank him totally.

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Speaker 2: But it's also a funny thing where the Mariners have

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Speaker 2: seen him, so you think that gives him the advantage.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like an eighth pitcher like Schooble. He

532
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Speaker 2: can kind of figure out the ways because you only

533
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Speaker 2: got burned bout Hory Polanco last time. If you tell

534
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Speaker 2: Terrek schooball you gotta do is got Hojorge Polaco and

535
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Speaker 2: you can go to the ALCS. I feel like he's

536
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Speaker 2: going to find a way to pull dog his way

537
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Speaker 2: through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, schoolball. I definitely like a lot of the schoob

539
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Speaker 1: bl lines like you mentioned. And you know what, Horriy

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Speaker 1: Polanco home run too, give me the horr. He's got

541
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Speaker 1: two off of him. The guy's feeling hot. The Mariners

542
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Speaker 1: are swinging the bats well. Series has been going weird,

543
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Speaker 1: but I'm all over the Mariners. Even though I think

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Speaker 1: Scooble is gonna shove, I think the marriage is gonna

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Speaker 1: end up winning that game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I honestly have no idea. I am excited

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Speaker 3: to watch it.

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Speaker 1: Because the rest of the names on the free agent list,

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna run through him real quickly. I have

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Speaker 1: no interest in Shane Bieber. I don't want him. I

571
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Speaker 1: have no no interest in Shane Bieber. Zach Gallen is

572
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Speaker 1: cooked until he's not cooked. I don't trust him.

573
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Speaker 2: And Zach Allen's fine as a mid rotation guy, but

574
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Speaker 2: he like he's someone who I would like on the.

575
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Speaker 3: Tier below the sea steal.

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Speaker 2: If you can give me Zach Gallen for a two

577
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Speaker 2: year deal, one year plus an option at forty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I would take that, would

579
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Speaker 3: be sure.

580
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Speaker 1: But I think people who are bringing up Zack Gowan's

581
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Speaker 1: name right now think that he's the guy who was

582
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Speaker 1: finishing in the top five of so Young voting with

583
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Speaker 1: Fowmes Ago. He's not even close Jack Flaherty. You guys

584
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Speaker 1: know our opinions on him, and you've seen the show

585
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Speaker 1: season now still Turbo, Lucas, Gilito, James.

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Speaker 2: Not not not I'm again as a three from one year,

587
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Speaker 2: twenty two million. I think that's fine, but you can't

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Speaker 2: consider these guys aces Chota.

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Speaker 1: How do you say his last name?

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Speaker 3: I Managa?

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Speaker 1: There he is that a boy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do yeah ee Managa. I think that the Cubs

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Speaker 1: probably still pick up that option, even though they're the

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Speaker 1: cheapest team in baseball.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the Cubs are broke, broke boys. But Chota

597
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: has a crazy option. It's a three year, fifty seven

598
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Speaker 2: million dollar option. So the Cubs right now, if they

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Speaker 2: pick it up, he makes twenty million next year, twenty

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Speaker 2: million a year after that, and the seventeen million twenty

601
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. If the club declines that. Chota still has

602
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Speaker 2: a fifteen million dollar player option for this season. And

603
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Speaker 2: also Bieber has a sixteen million dollar player option. And

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Speaker 2: there's there's a lot, there's a you think.

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Speaker 1: Biebris should opt out. He's he got like twenty million

606
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Speaker 1: without throwing a pitch. He's gonna do that again.

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Speaker 3: I think so too.

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Speaker 2: But if he only has to start on film from

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Speaker 2: yesterday where he looked horrendous, I'm saying, but the Yankees

610
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Speaker 2: do own Shane Bieber. He stills got the American League

611
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Speaker 2: Central stak on him. But it's just it's not it's

612
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Speaker 2: not good. Then you keep going past that. Merril Kelly,

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Speaker 2: that's a three. Brandon woodrid four has a twenty million

614
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Speaker 2: dollar mutual option with a ten million dollar buyout if

615
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Speaker 2: that's not taken. But he's someone who, while he was

616
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Speaker 2: really good this year, looked like he recovered. Well, the

617
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: velocity used to make him great was gone and he

618
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Speaker 2: gets hurt all the time. Yeah, he got buy He's

619
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Speaker 2: not even here for the Brews right now, but he

620
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Speaker 2: got buying like fastball, manipulation and great command.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: People are talking about Freddy Peralta. He has an eight

623
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Speaker 2: million dollars cloud option. He's not going anywhere unless we

624
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Speaker 2: create a ton for him. And then the last name available,

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Speaker 2: who I think is also I wanted to mention, Jack Flurty,

626
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Speaker 2: has a crazy option. Last year, remember when Mets fans

627
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Speaker 2: were getting on David Starans for not signing Jack Flaherty.

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Speaker 1: I do because it was brain dead.

629
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Speaker 2: For this coming season, he has a twenty million dollar

630
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Speaker 2: player option that becomes thirty million dollars if he makes

631
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Speaker 2: fifteen starts. Oh that's all right, might be worse than

632
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Speaker 2: Frankie Monto so at the end of the xists. But

633
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Speaker 2: then the last guy out there who I think should

634
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: get a lot of attention if he actually becomes a

635
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: free agent, is Michael King on the Padres.

636
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Speaker 1: But he's the scary one right now though, because what

637
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Speaker 1: we saw at the end of the year was like

638
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Speaker 1: Turbo dogors who turbo like throwing ninety one, and you're like, yuh,

639
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Speaker 1: I mean we saw the Mets. The Mets who couldn't

640
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Speaker 1: have anybody that was any sort of good down the stretch.

641
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Speaker 1: They made Michael King look like he was like a

642
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: spots start minor leaguer that came up to help out

643
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: the padres for the day. He looked like Johnny Brido.

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Speaker 2: Because again, King is a command first pitcher. That's why

645
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: I always pisses me off. And Yankee people are like, well,

646
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Speaker 2: warn next, Michael King.

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Speaker 3: Look at the stuff. The stuff is not what makes

648
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Speaker 3: Michael King good. The stuff is great.

649
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: But Michael King when he's on, like he can hit

650
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Speaker 2: a penny in the strike soon when any pitch in

651
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: his repertoire has hit him any side with a.

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Speaker 1: Pitch that starts off behind your back and then hits

653
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Speaker 1: the penny on the inside corner.

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Speaker 2: He does that front hip sinker against the lefties that

655
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Speaker 2: we talk all the time about, where it looks like

656
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: it's coming literally straight for your ass and all of

657
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: a sudden he pings that corner. He's gonna be a

658
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: menace with the with the abs strikes on if he

659
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: actually is healthy. But he even has a fifteen million

660
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: dollar mutual option where the Padres will have to pay

661
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: him a four million dollar buyouts.

662
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming that gets picked up. I mean mutual.

663
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: I don't know how mutual mutual options are. Those are

664
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: very vague things.

665
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm sure he doesn't want that, but like

666
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: if there's a mutual kicker in there, I really don't know,

667
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: but he's He's another one where you probably don't have

668
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: to give a long term deal. I think that's where

669
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: the crux of this free agent starting pitcher market leaves me.

670
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty happy with any of these guys for

671
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: two ish years.

672
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, three, if you had to put in a third year, two,

673
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: get it done. But then the AAV's got to come

674
00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: down a tiny bit.

675
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't.

676
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: Think any of these guys are even worth a five

677
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: year deal. Like looking at Max Freeze contract now seeing

678
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: that he got seven or eight for twenty seven, Yeah,

679
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: it's like but again, like that he Max free to

680
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: me is the line where like, you want to be

681
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: better than Max freed is because of then Ace, but

682
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: he's a tremendous pitcher.

683
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

684
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: And the other thing too with Max Fury to consider

685
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: too is lefty. Lefty's always the weird kicker with starting pitchers.

686
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: Those guys just exist forever. Ranger Swairez, Ranger Suarez, that

687
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: might be the weird kicker with him. He's a lefty.

688
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Chote is too, but Frambur Framberg is too.

689
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: But I gets I got so turned off by him

690
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: what he did at the end of the season last

691
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: year with that shit.

692
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: That was so weird.

693
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: I mean, but maybe that's the exact fucking discount that

694
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: we need to actually get the dominant pitcher.

695
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: The problem is, I don't think he's gonna get discounted.

696
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I think I think every team in baseball knows how

697
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: good Framber mal Does is.

698
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: And I think a guy like Framber thirty one years old,

699
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: wasn't a big prospect, has his chance for a paid day.

700
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 3: You take your chance for a pay day.

701
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: It's one of the few times Latino player does hit

702
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: the free agent market like that.

703
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally a few.

704
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: But this is it's just again, this was a good

705
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: exercise to show it's not easy to find an ace,

706
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's the end of the world

707
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: for the Mets to walk into next season without an ace.

708
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: As you know who, I want Jacob de Gram bring

709
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: them in.

710
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you, like, is there a world

711
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: where we we can pay down a bunch of Nemo's

712
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: contract and get to Gram and pay the whole thing?

713
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Is there is there any picture with a horrible contract

714
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: on a team but that is still very good, but

715
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: the team's not very good where we could trade them

716
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: Brandon Nemo Jacob de Grom is that it is that

717
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: the only guy.

718
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, let's think what even team would want to

719
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: take on money because it's like four in the whole league.

720
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. That is one of the big

721
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: problems is the money aspect of this, Like the.

722
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: Red Sox would take on money. They don't need the

723
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: corner outfielder.

724
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Brandon Nemo to the Pirates.

725
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to pay all of the contract. I

726
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: know we'd still get Mitch Keller have to pay his

727
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: entire contract.

728
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Mitch Keller also is not good.

729
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: When when you when we.

730
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Just talked about all these free ages starting pictures, how

731
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: many of them are you confident will be better than

732
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: Maniah next year?

733
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: How many am I confident in him?

734
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

735
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I am confident. Don't cease being better than Manayah. Yeah,

736
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm confident Michael King being better. I'm confident Ranger Suarez.

737
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm confident in Shota if you were to hit it.

738
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm confident in Framber. That's five. The others I think

739
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: are pretty much a coin flip. Like Shane Bieber probably

740
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: will be better. Yeah, but I it's hard after we

741
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: saw what just happened last night in that Blue Jay's

742
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Yankees game. Jack Flaherty, I'll never trust and I don't

743
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: want him. Lucas Giolito, nice guy, don't want him. Definitely,

744
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: don't want Merrill Kelly because he's just more of what

745
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: we have already and I'd rather just give it to

746
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: the young guys at that point. Brandon Woodroff injuries. Zach

747
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: Allen's the weird one. He's the weird one where I

748
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: could see him being better than Manaia, But the fastball

749
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: looks so bad, so so bad that I'm concerned. But

750
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's just a change of scenery.

751
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Guy who knows, Definitely, And I just want to throw

752
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: two other trade games out there.

753
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: Who I still like a lot both of these guys.

754
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: Edward Cabrera.

755
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: The malls are trading Sandy, you might as well trade Cabrera,

756
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: he only has a few more years leaps of control.

757
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: I think he.

758
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: Especially can throw out Mackenzie Gore.

759
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mackenzie Gore is much more of a project

760
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: net were Cabrera, which is funny to say, compared to

761
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: where these guys each wore last May.

762
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: But that's how quickly some of these things is.

763
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Or is it Mackenzie Gore could just be throwing the

764
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: fastball up in the zone. He might just become one

765
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: of the best pitchers in baseball.

766
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: It might take ten minutes with Mackenzie Gore. But again,

767
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: like maybe he's one of them. I just don't know

768
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: if that National's actually traded him. I think they just

769
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: rest that out. I think they're trying to modernize quickly,

770
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: and I think that he's they're going he's going to

771
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: be someone that they know. If you're trading him now,

772
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: you're not getting what he's worth. But Cabrera, he fits

773
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff. He has a lot of pitches.

774
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: He throws so fucking hard. Like he's someone where I

775
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: think that he might four years from now, he might

776
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: be the best pitcher in this entire list.

777
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's possible.

778
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with you, but I'll hear it

779
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: out of the of the free agent lists. Yeah, I

780
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: think I'll still take my chances on season Framber.

781
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I think that I think it's fair

782
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: to even put those guys in the same tier in

783
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: terms of all these pictures that we've mentioned. But I

784
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: still think that Ryan and Pablo are the best pitchers.

785
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: But the past three years be interesting. Sandy's awesome. I

786
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: think he's gonna cost a ton. And then I do

787
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: wonder if the Mariners shed anything.

788
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't thinking about it. I don't why would they?

789
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: I still I always go back to why why would

790
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: you do it?

791
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: You don't need to good reason, great, great point, and

792
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: sensational point you thank you, thank you. It's like it

793
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: always gets talked about.

794
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: So the fact that does get talked about is something

795
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: like their payroll this year is still only one hundred

796
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: and fifty million.

797
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: Dollars, Like where are they? Oh no, we saved seven

798
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: million dollars. I don't like the Mariners. I feel like

799
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: they've they've been cheap, but also like it's just hard

800
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: to get guys in Seattle. So that's also why they

801
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: lose out on free agency. A lot of times, it's

802
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: just nobody really wants to play out there.

803
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Mariners right now are kind of in

804
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: a soft spot with their player development where they had

805
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: a lot of these pictures come up quickly and they

806
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: were all nasty. They probably don't have that next group

807
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: of guys ready yet. So while Logan, Gilbert and George

808
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: Kirby are do for huge phrases over the next two seasons,

809
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: as Gilbert gets close to free agency, he's going to

810
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: be where's Gilbert on? So this year's going to be right, Yeah,

811
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: he has he's a super two guys. There's gonna be

812
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: his third year of arbitration. Nex should be his fourth

813
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: year of arbitration. But this is gonna be Kurby second year,

814
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: third year, and Kirby will have four years of arbitration

815
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: as well. So a team like the Mariners that stood

816
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: just below the luxury tax this year, Oh no, actually.

817
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: Way blow luxury tax.

818
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, it's disgusting, Oh my god, are awesome.

819
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: There's sixty million clear the luxury attack. That's pretty close again.

820
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, so again they can take those raises. But

821
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: I do wonder if they will.

822
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: He don't know.

823
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: I just those names get thrown out too much for

824
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: how good the pitchers they are and how much money

825
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: the team should have, so it's just worth mentioning. And

826
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: then the last guy who will get traded. I think

827
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: he's very divisive. I think he could be a good

828
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: middle rotation guy is Sonny Gray. He's I think he's

829
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: better than anything that we have besides McLean right now.

830
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: Truthfully, I don't know.

831
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray stunk this year, Dude, He's stunk in terms

832
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: of VR, but he still all the same strack guy

833
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: walk numbers that we love.

834
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's gonna be a year older. I don't know.

835
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: So again, Also Sonny Gray, I know the Mets are

836
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: not the Yankees, but the last time he pitched in

837
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: New York, he was like clinically depressed. I don't want

838
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: him here. Yeah, I think he has a no trade

839
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I think he has a no trade clause in his

840
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: contract too, and I think it is pretty much explicitly

841
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: so he never comes back to New York.

842
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: I think so too.

843
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: But I think the Yankes is different than Mets, and

844
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: I think the Yankee stadiums are different cities.

845
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: There's ninety one.

846
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: No, he'll be a Brave probably next year. Yeah, he's

847
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: like a ranger or something, but I just love to

848
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: bring his old ass.

849
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: And just trying to make.

850
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: An exhaustive list of the guys that are going to

851
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: be at least relatively available for the Mets of this offseason.

852
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: And real quick, I'm just throwing running through other teams. Yeah,

853
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Mitch Keller is going to be available, but I don't

854
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: want him.

855
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he's again, Mitch Keller's sprot in Mitch

856
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: Keller next year.

857
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares. It's rather take sprote That's the National

858
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: League because nobody out West is going to get moved

859
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: on those teams. You go to the American League, the

860
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Orioles have nobody that you'd be interested in. The Rays do,

861
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: but they're not.

862
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: Going to move them probably, I don't think so.

863
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Everybody else in that division's good. The Central stinks. You

864
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: don't really want anybody except the pitchers on the Twins. Weirdly,

865
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: if you take a flower on Bailey Ober. This has

866
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the conversation of ace. Just as

867
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: a might be a cheap guy, I would.

868
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: Definitely take a flyer at Baily Over, you know, coming

869
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: into the season, if you took a three year sample

870
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two three twenty twenty four, Baily opraht the

871
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: fifth lowest.

872
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: Whip in baseball.

873
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, he just really stunk it up this year.

874
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: He had a hip thing and that pushed down his

875
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Speaker 1: fastball velocity. At the same time he kind of lost

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Speaker 1: his change up and Baally Oprah doesn't have a great repertoire.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a good fastball, so going from ninety

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Speaker 1: two to ninety and a half bad.

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00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: That change of going.

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00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: From a forty percent whift to a thirty percent wift.

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00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: He didn't really have a slyde or anything else to

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Speaker 2: kind of get over that hump.

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00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Angels have nobody, Nope.

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Speaker 3: And they're not training Amy Angels are competing, ready to go,

885
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: They're always ready to go.

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00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: He's got rid of their one guy that I was

887
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: interested in. That's pretty much it. Yeah, not a lot.

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00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: So with this then comes comes back to again, this

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: is how we'll leave you guys right now under contract

890
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: for next season. The Mets have Nolan McLain, Brandon Sproke.

891
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: There's the play homes Sean and I and David Peterson.

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00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: What if Nolan McLain is just the ace. No again,

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00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: I think he actually is. Maybe that's how we said

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00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: that he's better than all of these pitchers that we've mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Feels like it. I feel more confident with him than

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Speaker 1: any of the guys outside of maybe like Pabolo Lopez,

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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan say, yeah, the free agent guys, not free

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Speaker 1: aging guys. I feel better with Noel McLain than anybody

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Speaker 1: A hundred probably Framber, but yeah, no, definitely, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: start of this offseason?

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Speaker 1: Do it? Take a shot?

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Speaker 3: This is our boy, Hunter Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Hunter Harvey. Really what this was?

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Speaker 3: He had a couple likes, He had like a half

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00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: a season from hell.

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Speaker 2: He got injured second half of last year right when

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00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: he got traded to the Royals, and this year he

934
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: kind of fo made spent the whole season fighting back,

935
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: but GotY. Hunter Harvey was always sitting at that same

936
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes range of like sixty ish innings a year

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00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: in the bullpen. So you kind of think he can

938
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: stand up to a full season. I think he just

939
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Speaker 2: turned thirty, so I think he's maybe he's like thirty

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Speaker 2: one now still sits ninety eight. Just turn thirty that

941
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: still sits over ninety six, gets up to ninety eight

942
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: ninety nine, and he's got the splither and the curve

943
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: ball and the slider.

944
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: I think that.

945
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: And he came back at the end of the season

946
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: and was completely fucking discussed. He's going to be a

947
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: free agent option. I think it'd be I think it'd

948
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: be a fun conversation to see if we can get

949
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: Hunter Harvey, if you could still just sit ninety four

950
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: with that fastball over the five innings, just do Clay

951
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: Holmes Part two.

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: It is kind of funny even looking at qualified pitchers

953
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: era wise, like there's like fifteen guys with an ACRA

954
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: even a year, so like.

955
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: And then how many of those guys do you trust

956
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Speaker 3: Game one of the playoffs?

957
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Almost none of that? Mom, this list, you want to

958
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: just hear the names real quick. Yeah, Paul Skeans, definitely

959
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: trust him.

960
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: Should we just talk about skis for a second, because

961
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: I think people are going to talk about the mess

962
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: training for Paul Skins. There is zero point zero percent

963
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: chance that Paul Skans is traded this year or next year,

964
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: two years from now, you'll get Paul Skans trade conversations and.

965
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: Whenever he starts getting paid, he's free. Right now, Why

966
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: in the world would the Pirates ever trade him? Right now?

967
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: That's the only reason. Again, the what is it nutting,

968
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: Bob nutting? Right, he's uh, the Pirates owner, he's cheap,

969
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: but he's like Paul Skins is the only way I

970
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: make any money every single season. We're not getting rid

971
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Speaker 1: of the guy who makes me any amount of money.

972
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Speaker 2: And again, like because I live down Post Pictures in

973
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Speaker 2: New York all the time, like Paul Skans was in

974
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Speaker 2: New York taking care oft, She's gonna be in.

975
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: New York City every chance she gets.

976
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pittsburgh, New York really easy, really easy on a

977
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: playing quick hour.

978
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: It's like, I think, it's like nothing.

979
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: She's making more than Paul Skans right now, she could

980
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: pay for the flocks. It's fine by a lot.

981
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Speaker 3: She making one than Paul Skans.

982
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: But again we're looking at like if anyone brings that up,

983
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: they're not serious.

984
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Speaker 3: Don't don't, don't even take that into consideration.

985
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Speaker 1: Until we do it this offseason because it's free views.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, until we put it on a thumbnail and we

987
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: just tell you, guys, no, but here's why.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if in a crazy in a fantasy world, here's

989
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Speaker 1: that we get Paul Skis and it's you don't. Yeah,

990
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: but again, like these guys this year, so this you're

991
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: just not hitting stinks you want to because the Dodgers

992
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: got all the good fun guys.

993
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: Was screaming for Blake Snell last year. I know it

994
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: was never realistic, but that was the guy. And yeah,

995
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, well, we'll think about Yamo forever. Well that

996
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: that that's a sliding doors moment. He was probably never

997
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: that serious about coming here. We gave it like the

998
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: greatest shot because it don't tried. Oh, they tried really hard.

999
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: I think they were in there until the very last moment.

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00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: There's a reason that all of these teams are so

1001
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: invested in him until again the very last moment, because

1002
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: he's so fucking good.

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Speaker 1: He's an easy top five or top ten.

1004
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: To me, he's top ten, top five. I just I'll

1005
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: still take easily Schoolbole, Skiings, Crochet Gilbert over him.

1006
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: Not even think about those four Gilbert over him.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I love Gilbert. Maybe maybe not Gilbert over him.

1008
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: Maybe that's me being too fantasy baseball brain because Almo's

1009
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: in a six day schedule, so I know he's pitched twenty.

1010
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Might be at fancy brain on you.

1011
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're both healthy, but I think that, Yeah,

1012
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: maybe I was top five things.

1013
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: He's just he's he is good.

1014
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Speaker 2: I might take Snell. I love Snell. Okay, oos sick

1015
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Speaker 2: christ this new version Christopher Sanchez. Yeah, it's ridiculously good.

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Speaker 2: Like there's just there's there's a lot of pictures the

1017
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Speaker 2: top of this league. But then it there's become such

1018
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Speaker 2: a huge middle class so quickly that at the end

1019
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Speaker 2: of this I think still think that's when the Mets

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Speaker 2: are best serve shopping.

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Speaker 1: I think we know what are one of our videos

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Speaker 1: Peace out guys.

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