1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Com Radio. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: The Draft Prospect Review Podcast is your source for all 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: the latest news and information on the NFL Draft. The 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: New England Patriots like now here to preview the linebackers. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: The writers of Patriots dot Com. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: Time once again for another draft podcast review. We're going 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 3: to talk about linebackers today, and we have a full 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 3: house here at Jellette Stadium with Mike Dussau, Evan Lazar, 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: and Tisse Matisse Bauman in the house. I'm slacking a 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: little bit, taking a couple of positions off, but that's okay. 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: I know you were busy doing other stuff. So let's 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: jump right into it and we're going to talk more 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: traditional linebackers today. Earlier in one of our previous podcasts, 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: we discussed the edge guys, which in a lot of 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 3: cases are outside linebackers, you know, for lack of a 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: better term. Today it's strictly the off the ball, off 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: the ball inside kind of old school thumpers. Paul might say, 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: game has passed them by. Linebackers so much like running back, 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: it's a position that once in a while there's a 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: special prospect who comes out, he gets first round consideration. 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: A lot of years now you don't always see that. 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 3: This seems to be one of those years where you 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: don't really see first round talent at this position. Would 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: you guys agree with that? 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? I actually have a trivia question. 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: For the trivia question, I will not get when was 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: the last time? 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 4: When was the last time the Patriots took a linebacker, 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 4: an off ball linebacker in the first four rounds of 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: the draft? Bail not that far back. 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it depends on how qualified tower 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: right close. 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: One year off was Jamie Collins thirteen. So it's been 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: a decade almost since the Patriots have really invested in 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: an off ball, true inside mike linebacker or leon and 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: the draft in the first four rounds. Cameron mcgroen was 39 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: drafted in the fifth round, Bentley's sixth round, Robert's sixth round. 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 3: What Bentley was a sixth round pick? 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good one. 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 3: I would have had to look that up. 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: So the question that I have for the group is 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 4: is it I think it's twofold right one. I think 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: that they recognize that their specific skill set of the 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: thumping Juwan Bentley style linebacker can now be had in 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: the sixth round instead of taking that in the second round. 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 4: But I also think that it's like Paul was saying, 49 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: kind of like running backs now, they're just devalued and 50 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: they're really not seeing the I would say, mostly the 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: contract value of drafting a linebacker in the first round, 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 4: but in general, just the position. 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: It's such a flash point. 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say real quick, and it is 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: a little different than running back because I think also 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: the body type is changing and they're not for everybody. 57 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: So as an example of what Evan just talked about 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: with the history for Bill Belichick, you know the the 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: roal Kwan Smith's, you know that the smaller, speedy athletic sideline, 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: the sideline guys. Bill hasn't really embraced those guys yet. 61 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: No yet, And I think it's worth pointing out too that, 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: I mean, they resigned Julani Tavai in season. This offseason, 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: they've resigned mac Wilson again, They've re signed ray Qua McMillan. 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: I know, these aren't the things that move the needle. 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: This this position is such a flashpoint going into the 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: draft every year. Everybody wants them to go get Patrick 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Queen or you know, you just every year Kenneth what's 68 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: his name, Kenneth Murray from Oklahoma? You know every year 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: that mobile Now it's Simpson type. Hear people talk about them, 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: and I think for me personally, I've just kind of 71 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: resigned myself that they don't. They don't. Really, I think 72 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: they got their guys. I don't know if this is 73 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: going to be a high, high round pick. There's certainly 74 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: some guys I think that they could plug in that 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: fit that we'll get to, but I have trouble seeing 76 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: them doing anything more than maybe a Day three special 77 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: Teams developmental six feet two twenty. Uh, that kind of 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: guy is probably what I. 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: Would love that if we embrace the six feet two 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: twenty guy, But at the Day three one it's I 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: don't when you don't want Yeah, I don't care, but 82 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: I like those kinds of guys. I like the profile 83 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: of that kind of player. 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: Tease. 85 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: You know, we talked a lot about what the linebackers 86 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: are now, but how about specifically for this class anybody. 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: The highest guy like is Jack Campbell just because he 88 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: seems like a green dot guy, you know, old school thumper. 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 5: That's it. 90 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 3: And immediately we go to the two and fifty pounds. 91 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, to be fair, vegetables. 92 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 4: So Jack Campbell is my number one rated linebacker in 93 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: the draft, and to be fair, he had a great combine. 94 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: So he's not just a two hundred and fifty pounds thumper. 95 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: He's not a Jwan Bentley. This guy can move. But 96 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: when I saw him on film, I I don't think 97 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: that he moves quite as well as the athletic testing showed. 98 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: I think he's a little stiffer in the hips and 99 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 4: in his change of direction. Then, But does he play fast? 100 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. But what he does do is he goes 101 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 4: gap to gap as a you know, scraping at the 102 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: second level with his shoulders parallel and kind of you know, 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 4: that basketball stance and then meeting the line the running 104 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: back in the hole. He does that better than anybody 105 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: in the class. He is one of those guys that 106 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: I think, by the end of his rookie contract, health permitting, 107 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, it's gonna be one hundred 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 4: tackle guy in the league before it's all said and done. 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 4: He's got that type of POTENTI. 110 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Do you think he's just an inside guy or do 111 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: you think he has some flexibility, because that was to 112 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: me that that would make him like a real Patriots 113 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: kind of guy if he had that flexibility. 114 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: I think he's got some flexibility to play to rush 115 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 4: interior in the inside, sort of like what they used 116 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: to do with High Tower when they'd put him in 117 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: the B gap and have him rush from a two 118 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 4: point stance. 119 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: With those guys. 120 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know if he's really got the 121 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 4: juice on the edge to necessarily be a guy that 122 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 4: rushes off the edge. So that's my hesitation with him 123 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: is that I'm not sure if he's quite as athletic 124 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: in space as maybe the combine suggested, And is he 125 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 4: going to be somebody that they're gonna look at and 126 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 4: say we can keep him on the field on all 127 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: three downs because he's athletic enough to hold up in coverage, 128 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: or maybe they find a rush roll for him to 129 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: keep him on the field in third down. But I 130 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: don't know if I necessarily saw the coverage ability that 131 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: the combine suggests that he has. 132 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: So I know a couple of the guys that a 133 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: lot of these draft sites have highly rated at this 134 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: position are Jus Sanders, who is a little bit. It's 135 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: kind of a tweeter. He's big in terms of his height. 136 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 3: He's six four ish, but not like the two hundred 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: and fifty five pound you know, Brandon Spikes type, you know, 138 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: hammer in the middle. Trenton Simpson is a little bit 139 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: more of the athlete that we're talking about. I know 140 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: you've been talking a lot about the Alabama kid is 141 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 3: a toto. 142 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 4: Barth has been telling me about Totoe for like four years. 143 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I know the player, I just don't know 144 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: how to pronounce his name. But and he's another smaller 145 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: athletic guy, you know, so different kind of body types 146 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: for these guys that are mostly at the top of 147 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: these guys list. 148 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: I like Dr Sanders. I mean, I think in another 149 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: universe he would be a guy that you like and 150 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: you want to hear and that is enough of their 151 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: kind of guy. But enough athleticism and smaller and versatility. 152 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: You know. I asked Evan about Jack Campbell. I think 153 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Drew Sanders has some of that. I think he could be, 154 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of a pass rusher off 155 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: the edge in the NFL, But I just don't think 156 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: he's gonna match up with what they need second half 157 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: of the first round maybe where he's gonna go top out. 158 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: It's just that that seems like a little bit of reach. 159 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: But I like him. I think he's a good fit 160 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: and he's a Patriots kind of guy to me. Experienced 161 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: at Alabama too. You can't you discount that as well. 162 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're looking for Deuce's versatility, like a guy 163 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: that can just line up in multiple spots and maybe 164 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: that makes it worth it for them to pick him 165 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: in the top fifty, then Drew Sanders is more of that, 166 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: I would say than Jack Campbell. He can line up inside, 167 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: he can line up on the ball, he can line 168 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: up over the slot at times at Arkansas and sort 169 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 4: of like an overhang roll, and he really does all 170 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 4: of that pretty well. And you look at his open 171 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 4: field pursuit speed just to go in a straight line 172 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: at somebody from sideline to sideline. It's a good, good 173 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: attribute of his as well. So you saw him in 174 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: the SEC sometimes playing some mobile quarterbacks and spying those 175 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: mobile quarterbacks and being somebody that could keep up with 176 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: those people. I had to really, you know, highlight real 177 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: type of tackle against Bryce Young where he you know, 178 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: Bryce Young broke the pocket and Drew Sanders was able 179 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: to go and get track him down and get him down. 180 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: So there is evidence on film of him being a 181 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: very explosive straight line can. 182 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: I just had one thing, like I think that I 183 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: just just generally that's an element that they need. That's 184 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: an element that they need. And I like Juwan Bentley, 185 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: and I understand why they like Jawan Bentley. I even 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: understand why they like Jolannie Tevai and I think Joelnnie 187 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: Devias turned some heads last year. We spent so much 188 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: time talking about Cameron mcgron, ray Qua McMillan, mack Wilson 189 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: was really I thought gal Jeelani to Vai that that 190 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: emerged as and I don't want to overstate how good 191 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: he was, but I thought he was solid. But the 192 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 2: ability to track down mobile quarterbacks, it's just something that 193 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: I don't think Joean Bentley is great at that. I 194 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: don't think that any of their sub linebackers. And I 195 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: remember I was talking about mac Wilson against Lamar Jackson 196 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: and just saying he looked like he was in a blunder. 197 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: They need one of those guys. And so if you 198 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: that's why we pound the table for these mobile middle 199 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: linebackers who can get these mobile quarterbacks down, chase them down, 200 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: get to him. So that element, I just I can't 201 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: ignore it. That's an important thing they need. 202 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 4: The one thing about him and Paul, you mentioned his height. 203 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: He's six foot four, he's high cut, and he's somebody 204 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: that if you're looking for him to take on a 205 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: guard and stand him up in the hole, it's the 206 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: wrong guy's not that's not your game. So that's gonna 207 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: be an interesting thing to them is how much do 208 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: they still prioritize that ability to just come down and 209 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: smack the guard in the face. Because Drew Sanders plays 210 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 4: a little bit taller, doesn't have that that that thick 211 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: butt in the lower half to really squat in a 212 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: gap and things like that. And I still don't think 213 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: they're gonna give up on that. I still can't believe 214 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 4: that they're gonna go completely away from that in a 215 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: big draft. I agree, if they draft a guy like 216 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 4: him in the top fifty, he's gonna play seventy five 217 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: eighty percent of the snap, So you're going away from it. 218 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 5: I got some late round guys I like. 219 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: I love the late round guys, you're still my question, 220 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: which is great. 221 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: I've in pace Cincinnati. I like the Dogs, and he 222 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: recorded two hundred and sixty two tackles in two seasons. 223 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 5: I mean, he's not afraid to get in there and 224 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 5: make some contacts. So I think that might be a 225 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 5: late round guy we could use. 226 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I would. I'd throw Isaiah Moore in there too, 227 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: who liked to me, is like Jawan Bentley, light like 228 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: not quite as much of a big, you know, two 229 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: forty two fifty, maybe more like two twenty five, two thirty, 230 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: but I feel like the same kind of player. He's 231 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: that downhill inside linebacker, you know, ready to meet the 232 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: fullback in the hole, that kind of guy. I believe. 233 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: Was he one of the Shrine Bowl guys. 234 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they loved him. Supposedly they told the broadcast 235 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: that they loved him. I don't know. They told the 236 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 4: broadcast they loved everybody, so I'm not sure, Captain, I'm 237 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: not sure how much they really loved one guy versus another. 238 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: But Isaiah Moore was one of those guys that the 239 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 4: broadcast that the coaching staff was gushing about. So I 240 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: think he's certainly on everybody's radar. Just going back up 241 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: to the some of the top one hundred guys though, 242 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: really quickly. I just want to mention Noah Sewell from Oregon, 243 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 4: who's Penny Sewell's brother. He's more of like that throwback 244 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: six one, two forty five, two fifty. 245 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 5: Uh. 246 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: He's a throwback linebacker, and maybe in today's NFL he 247 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: gets to the fourth round because you know, teams don't 248 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: prioritize that skill set as much anymore. The one guy 249 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: that really excites me for them that they won't draft 250 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: because he's too small is Dion Henley from Washington State. 251 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: If you really want that sideline to sideline athlete, the 252 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: guy that he gets compared to a lot is Fred Warner. 253 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: And I don't want any of those. 254 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if he's gonna be as good of 255 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: a pro as Fred Warner, but Fred Warner was drafted 256 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: in the third round. Fred Warner wasn't one of these 257 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 4: guys that was, you know, a top ten picker or 258 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: anything like that, so the league didn't necessarily see it 259 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: with Fred Warner becoming an All Pro linebacker coming in, 260 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: and I think Henley's got the same type of jacked 261 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: up safety playmaking ability in space and and coverage. And 262 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: he's everybody's Fred Warner in this draft. So he's someone 263 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: that I think that they're gonna go away from it 264 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: then know his name. 265 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I mean I like that idea of getting 266 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: you know that maybe a middle round, third round, you know, 267 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: fourth round. I like the idea of getting an athlete. 268 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: So maybe it's a compromise. Maybe Bill Belichick can't quite 269 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: embrace the fact that it's going away from those old 270 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: school thumpers, but is not necessarily willing to say, well, 271 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 3: I'm so sure that it's gone, you know, away from 272 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: what I what I feel, I'm gonna take somebody really 273 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: high in the draft. Yeah, make a compromise and get 274 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: one in the middle rounds. 275 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: Like mcgroon kind of. I mean that's what we were 276 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: thinking one macron. He's not even here anymore. But you 277 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: know that was the idea or what people wanted it 278 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: you projected onto Cameron mcgron. 279 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: Oh. 280 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 2: You know last year at this time, we were saying 281 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: we got him coming in as you know, an unknown. 282 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: But I think that's so I'm gonna. 283 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: Keep my my eyes on that Noah Soul just for 284 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: that reason. When you know, with the way Evan described, 285 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: because I think that's a good mix of those kinds 286 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: of abilities, and you wouldn't have to take him in 287 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: the you know, in the first first day or two, 288 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 3: and maybe not even in the first two days. 289 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: And you don't really need to thrust somebody into the fire. 290 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: And that's why with some of these positions, you know, 291 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: you probably would love to get a cornerback that you 292 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: can thrust into the fire, or you know, maybe an 293 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: offensive lineman that can be the swing tackle into the 294 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: fire kind of thing. So wide receiver, love a guy, 295 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: you know, those kind of positions. It feels like, get 296 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: somebody early. But it's just this is a Bill Belichick 297 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: linebackers day three. It feels like a lot they're going 298 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: to take one of these. 299 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: He's also a duck, So if he walks like a duck, 300 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: if that's going to put a rap on the the 301 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: off the ball linebackers and also guys is gonna put 302 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: a rap on the defense. Because I believe that's our 303 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: last position to discuss on the defensive side of the ball. 304 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: But we're not done. We still have some more offensive 305 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: positions to get to and we will do that on 306 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 3: our next podcast. 307 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 5: Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, 308 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 5: and everywhere else you listen. 309 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: Like the show, please rate and review us. 310 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: Listener comments and ratings help keep us high in the 311 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 5: rankings so new listeners can find us. Be sure to 312 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: checkpatriots dot com for more news and more podcasts.