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Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. It is eleven thirty on Thursday, and
Speaker 1: that can mean only one thing. It is time for
Speaker 1: your favorite program, Hanging with the Boys. It is sixty
Speaker 1: degrees outside and cloudy feels like fifty eight. It's a
Speaker 1: high of sixty seven, low of fifty seven tonight. And
Speaker 1: no one in this room can hear? Can the people
Speaker 1: hear us out here? Because we here we go. I
Speaker 1: gotta yeah, I gotta skin hear us? Man, we were
Speaker 1: good Man's we got we got shot. You dressed like
Speaker 1: an fine on the billboys shopping in place. Hey Hey,
Speaker 1: hey a Kurt got on a night shirt. I'm the
Speaker 1: only one they did with the cowboy But cowboy man representative, Jesse,
Speaker 1: are you with us? I'm here? Man, all right? What
Speaker 1: do you got on the shirt today? Fellas? I can't
Speaker 1: see this far? Yeah? What you got on today? What
Speaker 1: you got on your shirt today, brother Jesse? It says
Speaker 1: at at from CD Lamb. Well, we can't hear. As
Speaker 1: we're getting into table. We'll take Jesse off and the
Speaker 1: rest of us as talk. You can't hear Jesse hear.
Speaker 1: His shirt says at at CD Lamb. Okay, at CD Lamb,
Speaker 1: all right, at all right, yeah, as we'll get a
Speaker 1: closer as we'll get a closer to the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: reminds me of what happened last year in the draft
Speaker 1: when CD got drafted by the Cowboys and the camera's
Speaker 1: panning to him and that second cell phone ray. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: your girlfriend picked it up and he snatched it. He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do that with the quickness. With the quickness there's shirt.
Speaker 1: Did you get that made? Jesse? I did? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I had to get this made. That's awesome, man, that
Speaker 1: is awesome. I love it. I love it. You have
Speaker 1: like a T shirt, guy, because you have a lot
Speaker 1: of like homemade T shirts. Right, I have a T
Speaker 1: shirt gal Gal, Okay, there you go. We need some
Speaker 1: hang with the Boys T shirt. Yeah, come, let's let's
Speaker 1: work on that. I'll pay for one. I'll support the calls.
Speaker 1: I'll support local owned business. Yeah, just tell them to
Speaker 1: what do? What do you want to get? Man? We
Speaker 1: can get it. We can get it done up. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We need to get with Chris and work
Speaker 1: on that. We'll figure that out. We'll get We'll get mad.
Speaker 1: I love Chris Man. He always take care of me. Man.
Speaker 1: Let me look at Chris. Just bounced and we had
Speaker 1: some technical difficulties and Chris ran in here. Yes we
Speaker 1: have he Yatt, Nate hooked up, got the fat man,
Speaker 1: hooked the big man. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: call you that the fat man. Well, you know what's
Speaker 1: one word like you said, one word word fat man
Speaker 1: gonna get me? Then me and Din Sounds will never
Speaker 1: be friends. No, he Hey, I'm Nate doing you Din Sound?
Speaker 1: He's like, now you fat man? I said you rat man? Okay,
Speaker 1: phat though right, he's a rat man. Yeah, rat man.
Speaker 1: You look like Mickey. Hey, Chris, let's get a let's
Speaker 1: get a look at the plaza. You got that plaza.
Speaker 1: Look since we missed it at the first of the show,
Speaker 1: because it's nice and nice and homey. Look live. Look
Speaker 1: at Tostito's Championship Plaza the Star here in Frisco. Sign
Speaker 1: work out there, little sign work going on, not a
Speaker 1: lot of not a lot of action. Is it raining
Speaker 1: out there? Just it's a little cloud. It's a look cool.
Speaker 1: They're cool, Chris, can you new choice? Chris? I gotta echo, man,
Speaker 1: We got all kinds of stuff going. Man, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. Man, If Jesse come back in the office,
Speaker 1: we can we can all get together on one of them,
Speaker 1: one of court. You have no no, no One's Jesse
Speaker 1: show is every Thursday. Please please come in Jesse next Thursday,
Speaker 1: April the twenty second at eleven thirty. Be here about
Speaker 1: eleven fifteen. Because we know how you like. See if
Speaker 1: it works. It would be good to get the game
Speaker 1: back to you. You know what, if you come out
Speaker 1: here next week, let's all go grab lunch after the show.
Speaker 1: We haven't we haven't broken bread in a long time.
Speaker 1: That would be nice. Since we can't see. You just
Speaker 1: messed the whole deal of what I do. What I do.
Speaker 1: We have a broken bread and broke break bread, man,
Speaker 1: just say break bread. Have a broken bread, dude. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to overcompensate my country hic accent with proper, proper grammar.
Speaker 1: So let me. You made my brain scramble extra to
Speaker 1: getting that in. You know, don't do that all right?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'll tell you what. Let's jump into the
Speaker 1: off season program. Yes, because we Jesse sent us a
Speaker 1: tweet from it was Ian Rappaport about the memo that
Speaker 1: came out from the league. What are they doing different?
Speaker 1: Is anything different this year than what they've done previously
Speaker 1: with all season stuff? Yes, big time pandemic. It is
Speaker 1: big time. It's like, well, the first month of it
Speaker 1: is virtual, so they're going to continue with some of
Speaker 1: the virtual stuff after that. In June, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: kind of go back to normal with OTA's Mini camp
Speaker 1: and then a break before training camp. But that the
Speaker 1: big issue I think is not really what's changing. It's
Speaker 1: the reaction to what's changing. Yes, yes, the reaction to reaction.
Speaker 1: You know what, what year did coach John's come in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine nine, And just think coach Johnson came
Speaker 1: in in eighty nine ninety and by ninety two this
Speaker 1: program that they're taking away is who where he instituted
Speaker 1: for the whole league. So he started he started that, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: he started official off season training and he said it
Speaker 1: was voluntary, and uh, it was never voluntary as Troy voluntary.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think how long he lasted. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's amazing how one guy come in with a concept
Speaker 1: and how the whole league jumped on it and take
Speaker 1: advantage of it, because this is how we used to
Speaker 1: do it before coach Johnson came in. Jesse, you're being quiet?
Speaker 1: What I know you gotta take on this. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest thing with this is is as fans, right,
Speaker 1: as media people, we're always looking for some sort of coverage.
Speaker 1: We're always looking for some sort of story, and we
Speaker 1: don't get that when people are doing things and an
Speaker 1: abnormal way, zoom call away from the facility because we've
Speaker 1: been so conditioned. I am on the same boat with
Speaker 1: with with Nate is this is how I've always been
Speaker 1: programmed that it would run. It would always run many
Speaker 1: camps ota and I never had the luxury to be
Speaker 1: able to like, well, I'm not showing up to offer
Speaker 1: the workouts for whatever reason. No, I had to be
Speaker 1: there for a moti of the reasons. One I was
Speaker 1: trying to make the team too. I ain't that a
Speaker 1: little bit of money that they give you when you
Speaker 1: come to those offers and workouts, and I'll take it.
Speaker 1: I needed all of it. I needed a yeah, I
Speaker 1: need is a little bit more for me, but I
Speaker 1: needed all of it. I needed all that money that
Speaker 1: they was going to try to give me for those
Speaker 1: officers and workouts, uh and three to get back in shape.
Speaker 1: And things have transitioned and they have changed over time.
Speaker 1: You have so many more like when thinking about when
Speaker 1: Nate played, right, when Nate played, there wasn't you know
Speaker 1: personal trainers like that and workout facilities and all the
Speaker 1: different programs. And as the years went on, you have
Speaker 1: guys now who if you don't have a personal trainer,
Speaker 1: if you don't have a trainer that you work with
Speaker 1: one on one, whether that be weight training or position
Speaker 1: specific training, then you're you're basically a dinosaur because everybody
Speaker 1: has that. All these guys have somewhere where they go
Speaker 1: and get that training done on a personal level, one
Speaker 1: on one level, or a small group level. And so
Speaker 1: the days of having to come in and wanting to
Speaker 1: do workouts in the facility are kind of non existent
Speaker 1: because of those factors, because of guys having off season
Speaker 1: homes and being in other cities. They can take their
Speaker 1: training with them whenever they go. They can go to
Speaker 1: Cabo or you know, and have a guy come out
Speaker 1: there and be with them for weeks. They can go
Speaker 1: to Miami or California. So that part has changed. But
Speaker 1: the thing for us is we get our stories and
Speaker 1: we get our juice, and we get all our stuff
Speaker 1: from people actually having to be in the building. We
Speaker 1: get to see guys, see their development, what are they doing,
Speaker 1: get little hints and clues about what's happening. But most importantly,
Speaker 1: when you see how this team played last year and
Speaker 1: you're saying, wait, we had communication issues, we had fundamental issues,
Speaker 1: we had alignment assignment issues, we had personnel issues, I
Speaker 1: want it and make It's been on this for at
Speaker 1: least three or four months. I want the guys in
Speaker 1: the building so I can get my hands on them,
Speaker 1: so I can work with them, whether that's in a
Speaker 1: walk through setting, a job through setting, a meeting setting,
Speaker 1: whatever type of setting. But I want to get away.
Speaker 1: I want to get away from this zoom because it
Speaker 1: is so difficult. And this might be the one thing
Speaker 1: I'll say negative against my guy freakie Mike for all
Speaker 1: the stuff that freakye Mike sett in the beginning and
Speaker 1: his whole you know documentary that he did about changing
Speaker 1: in technology. I find it hard to believe that he's
Speaker 1: figured out a way to do coaching football virtually. He
Speaker 1: just doesn't come from that school. He doesn't come from
Speaker 1: that world where coaching football players and football schemes and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He didn't come from a
Speaker 1: place where you do that virtually. He come from a
Speaker 1: place where you do that physically on the field, hands
Speaker 1: on the guys, moving them, seeing the move this whole
Speaker 1: virtual thing. He's not in that Psalm McVay mode of
Speaker 1: coaching where technology is something that is in the forefront
Speaker 1: of their mind. He's from the old school and he's
Speaker 1: won that way and his foundation is that way where
Speaker 1: you go and you get on the field doing it.
Speaker 1: And I think when every moment that you take him
Speaker 1: off of the field and make him have to do
Speaker 1: things virtually, I think more and more and more that
Speaker 1: is going to hurt this football team, and not only
Speaker 1: this team, but other coaches in the league who have
Speaker 1: to you know, who have to coach that way. You
Speaker 1: know what's amazing is handsOn b Yeah, there's some background. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't good and it' I'm gonna keep them trying
Speaker 1: to talk over my fat self. Anyway. You cannot have
Speaker 1: a team play as bad as we did last year
Speaker 1: and not more your hands on them. Our players. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say this in the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Over the last three or four years, our defensive players
Speaker 1: have not shown to be able to adjust to game
Speaker 1: situations because the coaches say we want them to play fast.
Speaker 1: And what it says in a kind of ugly way
Speaker 1: is that our guys when we make small adjustments to
Speaker 1: different formations and different movements, they ain't smart enough to
Speaker 1: catch you on. And I'm not saying every guys like that,
Speaker 1: but for your whole team now to back up two
Speaker 1: and three steps, even eight nine weeks into the season,
Speaker 1: that does not bowl as well. And as coach McCarthy
Speaker 1: said during his little quick press conference, is I'm still
Speaker 1: trying to get the guys in here that I like
Speaker 1: and that I want, and that is up here, and
Speaker 1: it's whether it's physically being smart. And I hate to
Speaker 1: say that about our players, and but that's obvious about
Speaker 1: the last coaching said that we had and they played
Speaker 1: basically one or two fronts, two or three coverages, and
Speaker 1: they played fast, but they wasn't good physically. Okay, we
Speaker 1: took these basically the same group of guys and trying
Speaker 1: to play fast again with multiple fronts, and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: So I would like for the guys to be here,
Speaker 1: especially guys that are on the bubble. Don't y'all fall
Speaker 1: for this, y'all. Make sure y'all over it up working out, y'all,
Speaker 1: make sure y'all come in here. What do you think?
Speaker 1: I guess what's behind this? I guess? I mean, in
Speaker 1: some ways, I feel like they're using COVID as an
Speaker 1: excuse to either, well, I guess, to not work out.
Speaker 1: And is it a fact that you know negatively or
Speaker 1: is it something where the players just don't don't care
Speaker 1: if they don't learn it soon enough. Or is it
Speaker 1: more like a long term thing where the union is
Speaker 1: like trying to negotiate, saying, if you want us there,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give us more money. They're going
Speaker 1: to give more money. The owners are not going to
Speaker 1: give more money because what what they what they have
Speaker 1: done is they conceded, They conceded things that was voluntary anyway,
Speaker 1: and that players were basically doing for free anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need you, we need you doing the mini camp,
Speaker 1: we need you doing OTAs. And as we talked off
Speaker 1: Aron Kurt, who this is gonna hurt. It's them bubble guys,
Speaker 1: the studs and the stars, like Jess talked about a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago last week, they're gonna get their money, yeah,
Speaker 1: and get the money. Yeah. So uh, they gonna you know,
Speaker 1: it ain't mandatory that they don't come in just you know,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna come in and do their thing. And
Speaker 1: those bubble guys, I'm telling you that a coach you're
Speaker 1: looking at like wow, you know this rookie seemed to
Speaker 1: be just the same guy because you ain't getting to
Speaker 1: look at them a long period of time. I was
Speaker 1: an overweight guy and I needed to be here. I
Speaker 1: had to be here, you know. I was one of
Speaker 1: the first guys people not to have a trainer to
Speaker 1: help me lose weight, to get help me stay in control.
Speaker 1: But when I wasn't here, there wasn't it wasn't there
Speaker 1: in Frauda, I was here. You have to be somewhere.
Speaker 1: That's structure a lot of these guys we see after
Speaker 1: their careers, they'll be like, wow, that's you. You know
Speaker 1: you look at the player like wow, man, you play dB.
Speaker 1: You look like they go one way or the other. Yes,
Speaker 1: they either up yet slim. Yeah, so well then why
Speaker 1: I guess the um? I mean? Nick even reported on
Speaker 1: the website that almost twenty Dallas players have bonuses built
Speaker 1: into being here in the off season working out. So
Speaker 1: if you've got and those are the top guys, obviously,
Speaker 1: So if you got your top guys making money, if
Speaker 1: they're here, and you got your bottom guys needing to
Speaker 1: be here, if they want a job, why are players not?
Speaker 1: Why are they talking about not working out? The virtual thing?
Speaker 1: That's the nature of the beasts of America. You know
Speaker 1: you you think you get it. Oh oh man, I
Speaker 1: don't have to be there, and I'll just you know,
Speaker 1: I can work out on my own. And some guys
Speaker 1: are just driven like that. Jesse was driven like that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't driven like that. So guys like me, you
Speaker 1: need to be weary, uh, your posse or your or
Speaker 1: your wife or whoever you hang always Hey, hey man,
Speaker 1: we ain't got no off season of money. You need
Speaker 1: to get up in there and get get us some
Speaker 1: money because a lot of guys, I'm telling your coaches
Speaker 1: are funny. When they see guys, they trust guys. When
Speaker 1: they don't see guys in that scale go wrong or
Speaker 1: you're not moving as well. When you get back to them,
Speaker 1: like what what have you been doing? So now they
Speaker 1: got they mine got to go another place. You know,
Speaker 1: coaches were much like players. They got set things how
Speaker 1: they want things to do. And like, uh, Jesse said,
Speaker 1: that was new, that was it was new for everybody,
Speaker 1: but that was new for coach mccarth to come in
Speaker 1: from off the streets into virtual What are they what
Speaker 1: are they allowed to do? Now? Can they work out? Now?
Speaker 1: They can't coming together? Yeah, captain's workouts yea, where it's
Speaker 1: player run more or less. You know, you can't have
Speaker 1: coaches at Martin's running the offensive line and the strength
Speaker 1: guys I think can be on hand, but none of
Speaker 1: the one you know a football staff can be there.
Speaker 1: I bumped into a coach yesterday in the hall and
Speaker 1: I kind of floated what Nate, you and Jesse have said,
Speaker 1: how how much they missed being together last year and
Speaker 1: having offseason workouts, And they agreed one hundred percent they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I said, because you said, I said,
Speaker 1: you know you saw the defense starting to pick it
Speaker 1: up towards the end of the year, because, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they were starting to figure it out, you know, things
Speaker 1: started clicking. And he was like, yeah, like, we definitely
Speaker 1: missed not being together last year, and this year you're
Speaker 1: going to see a huge difference because they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to spend that time together. But it sounds
Speaker 1: like some of these teams Kurt you put on here, Seattle, Denver,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Detroit, New England have all said that they're
Speaker 1: not going to take part in Volutaria, at least some
Speaker 1: of their players have said they're not gonna. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: good and well man, but I'm telling you, coaches have
Speaker 1: a fun way on that. It's like from players twenty
Speaker 1: five on down, the coaches control totally. Players twenty five
Speaker 1: and up. You kind of got management sticking their hands
Speaker 1: on you because of the money, because of who they are.
Speaker 1: But that twenty five, twenty seven and thirty player on
Speaker 1: down coaches looking at you, Jesse, You've bet that'd be
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Yeah, Jesse, how much did these
Speaker 1: offseason workouts help you in terms of getting them a job.
Speaker 1: How did you hear that last part? Kurt said, again,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, how much did these offseason
Speaker 1: workouts help you in getting a job and getting noticed?
Speaker 1: Because when coach Wade or Coach care or coach Sherman
Speaker 1: look out their office window, who they see the dreadhead
Speaker 1: kid out there running sprints out there running routes um
Speaker 1: the weight room. Because all these coaches and you guys
Speaker 1: know you guys walk through the weight room and you'll
Speaker 1: see a coach on the staron Madison. You'll see a
Speaker 1: coach getting a lift, and you'll see a coach in
Speaker 1: the sign, and you'll see a coach in the hotel
Speaker 1: or the cotel or the training room. A lot of
Speaker 1: times they're doing that. But to Nate's point, they're walking
Speaker 1: around us saying, okay, who is serious about football? And
Speaker 1: coaches all want to know you here in the interview process.
Speaker 1: Now when it comes to the combine and the draft
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, they want football players
Speaker 1: who are serious about football. Now, those upper eche line dudes, yes,
Speaker 1: they want them serious about football as well. But because
Speaker 1: there's so much money into those guys, you gotta just
Speaker 1: deal with those guys and hope that you got you
Speaker 1: found good guys. But like Nate was saying from twenty
Speaker 1: eight twenty nine, thirty down, I need to know that
Speaker 1: these guys are here and are serious about football, because
Speaker 1: that rounds about my roster. Those are guys who complete
Speaker 1: my football team. Those are the glue pieces on my
Speaker 1: roster that keeps things together. And if I can get
Speaker 1: a majority, you're not going to get everybody. But if
Speaker 1: I can get majority of the guys who I know
Speaker 1: that are buying into the system, who are buying into
Speaker 1: the workouts to do what we're supposed to do. Now
Speaker 1: I'm a head of curve. And if I can get
Speaker 1: majority of the guys to buy in from that lower
Speaker 1: tier and some of the guys to buy in from
Speaker 1: that upper tier, I got a decent football team. And
Speaker 1: now would end up happening is those guys who aren't
Speaker 1: bought in, those guys who aren't who really aren't a
Speaker 1: part of the team, they now begin to stick out
Speaker 1: like a sore thumb, and they're easily to identify. Now
Speaker 1: when you identify, and what do you do with them?
Speaker 1: Do you just deal with them? Do you trade them?
Speaker 1: Do you cut them? Do you replace them, whatever that
Speaker 1: may be, but you you're able to identify. For a
Speaker 1: guy like me, it helped me tremendously because I came
Speaker 1: in I was in the best shape coaches saw me there.
Speaker 1: If I had questions, I would go into the coach's
Speaker 1: office and ask questions. And that's like you know they
Speaker 1: tell you in school, Hey, you want to get brandy
Speaker 1: points with your professor, go to his you know, his
Speaker 1: office hours, go to her office hours and ask questions
Speaker 1: and be and let them know that you're engaged in
Speaker 1: their class. When they're doing their grades and your grade
Speaker 1: might be a seventy five, you might just get that
Speaker 1: seventy eight or that eighty, or you're trying to move
Speaker 1: up two or three points. And it's the same thing
Speaker 1: for football. It's not brown nosing. It's really taking, you know,
Speaker 1: a serious concern about your craft and about a job.
Speaker 1: You ain't snitching nobody out, but you're showing them every
Speaker 1: single day that I am committed to this team, I
Speaker 1: am committed to work, I am committed to getting better.
Speaker 1: And that helps you find your way on a roster
Speaker 1: when you know when when it comes time to build
Speaker 1: out that fifty three all right, let's take our first break.
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Speaker 1: think they're allowed to be in the building this year.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what what capacity or anything, but
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he'll be be on hand. If I could
Speaker 1: do a draft from a yacht, I might. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: just choose that I would, But you know what, he
Speaker 1: can do anything he wants from that yacht. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he can take a break and come here for the draft.
Speaker 1: So can we can we ask Chris Beam a question?
Speaker 1: What was Beam? Was Chris Beam a part that team
Speaker 1: that had to set up all of the internet telephone
Speaker 1: type stuff from the yacht to whatever networks it was
Speaker 1: shooting at Chris Ban when you when you were part
Speaker 1: of that, that would be a negative. You didn't get
Speaker 1: that call, you didn't get the trip to the Bahamas
Speaker 1: or whatever. Oh man, I thought you. I thought you were.
Speaker 1: I thought you were had more pull than that Chris.
Speaker 1: They probably sent Jay. I thought we're gonna be to
Speaker 1: give us some insight on what all it took to
Speaker 1: get that, to get all that production. Tell you what.
Speaker 1: That would have been fun to go to go be
Speaker 1: on the yacht. But can you imagine the stress of
Speaker 1: being the guy, yeah, to keep it that guy, to
Speaker 1: keep that connected and being on call twenty four seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I there's some jobs you just don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't think you want that, man, that would be great.
Speaker 1: I don't want that, yall at least five dude, even
Speaker 1: if you were on that yacht in the Bahamas or
Speaker 1: Italy or wherever it was at like I the stress
Speaker 1: from that, Yeah, you're right, that would aid you five years.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out. Probably a little bit of a draft moment.
Speaker 1: That probably aged you a little bit of a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, didn't you When we tweeted out the
Speaker 1: phone number to the to the draft war room phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean it happened so fast and we
Speaker 1: corrected it so quick. It really wasn't that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. But yeah, it could have It could have
Speaker 1: been really bad. It could have been really really bad.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. We have a great it staff that fixed
Speaker 1: the problem, changed the number, got the number new number
Speaker 1: to the league, all in time before our draft pick.
Speaker 1: If it would have happened closer to when we were picking,
Speaker 1: it would have been really bad. But yeah, it wound
Speaker 1: up not being quite that bad. So yeah, that's good times.
Speaker 1: I blame James Smith, our photographer, for sending us that picture.
Speaker 1: It wasn't our fault. What a million dollar blunder. That
Speaker 1: wasn't That's what might have been a career. And I
Speaker 1: heard though that it happened. It happened soon enough, So
Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know, I guess it
Speaker 1: was what three years ago, Kurt, Probably three years ago.
Speaker 1: We have a photographer in the war room and we
Speaker 1: always put out pictures of how it's set up, and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody that's in there, and James, our team photographer,
Speaker 1: does a really great job of making sure things don't
Speaker 1: go out that aren't supposed to that he doesn't get
Speaker 1: shots of the video board. Well, the last thing we're
Speaker 1: thinking is the phone number on the digital phone shows up,
Speaker 1: and some of course that our fans, you know, saluting everything,
Speaker 1: zoom in on the phone and you could read, you
Speaker 1: could vaguely read the number to the war room, and
Speaker 1: we tweeted it out in a little group of four
Speaker 1: pictures of the war room and that was one of them.
Speaker 1: And the phone starts ringing. Random guy called, random Guy calls,
Speaker 1: and then the phone starts ringing again, and then it
Speaker 1: rings again, and they said, I wasn't in there, but
Speaker 1: I that like Steven. Actually they kind of started laughing
Speaker 1: about Steven picked the phone up and was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Papa John's pizza, you know, Dallas Police Department. By making
Speaker 1: kind of jokes, which, thank goodness, we have a ownership
Speaker 1: group that understands we're going to make mistakes on social
Speaker 1: media and supports us and tells us to keep going.
Speaker 1: But that, yeah, that could have been really, really bad.
Speaker 1: So but it wasn't. Think it's all funny games. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Bradley Carter, he tweeted us, right, Kurt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tweeted us and what do you want to know, Kurt, Well,
Speaker 1: he just had some questions about the seventeen game schedule
Speaker 1: that he wanted to throw at us UM. First one,
Speaker 1: there's three I guess here. First one was will they
Speaker 1: bring in a second bye week? The second one is
Speaker 1: will they expand the roster and practice squad to make
Speaker 1: up for this extra game? And the last one is
Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna see more players like being
Speaker 1: pulled from games early to save them, Like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are blowing out somebody with Dak Prescott sit out the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, It wouldn't hurt nothing. I mean if they
Speaker 1: blow if they've blowing them out and we and we
Speaker 1: have the right team other not. You know, giving a
Speaker 1: guy break or rest that that that never hurts that
Speaker 1: that that never hurts it. Just like if you're good
Speaker 1: enough to be ahead in your division and you're resting
Speaker 1: the guy, but it ain't no difference in resting the
Speaker 1: guy at the end of the year. You know what
Speaker 1: you think, Jess, You may have a different opinion as
Speaker 1: a receiver, skill guy. No, I always think about numbers.
Speaker 1: Guys want their numbers, and if I'm blowing the team out,
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about coming off the field and a
Speaker 1: regular season game. I'm thinking about, let's keep padding my
Speaker 1: stats because you know, oddly enough, a seventeen game season,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have this year, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a lot of records broken. We're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of catches records broken, touchdown records, broken, Russian records, broken,
Speaker 1: receiving records broke. Someone will probably pass for six thousand
Speaker 1: yards this year when you had a whole other game
Speaker 1: at least fifty five hundred yards. So you know, when
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, I'm thinking about I want to
Speaker 1: be the first person to say, you know, hey, I
Speaker 1: passed for fifty five hundred yards, I passed for six
Speaker 1: thousand yards. I passed for fifty plus touchdowns. Oh, I
Speaker 1: had one hundred and whatever catches, or I had two
Speaker 1: thousand plus. You know, I beat Eric Dickerson's you know,
Speaker 1: rushing record for the season. Because now all that now
Speaker 1: is and you know, people may say, well the record
Speaker 1: doesn't stand because they did it in sixteen, you did
Speaker 1: it in seventeen. Whatever. I want that And at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, do I have some incentives that
Speaker 1: needed to be met right at the end of at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Does my contract we talked
Speaker 1: about all season workouts, what about my postseason contract. Does
Speaker 1: it say that if I make the playoffs, I get
Speaker 1: a bonus? Well, because it said that, you know, if
Speaker 1: I pass for forty touchdowns, I get a bug, you know,
Speaker 1: or if I catch ten touchdowns, or if I rush
Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred yards or whatever it may be. No,
Speaker 1: don't take me off the field. Let me go out
Speaker 1: there and get my number. Because at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, when we get to week seventeen, if we're
Speaker 1: if we have a substantial lead on a division, and
Speaker 1: we're up a few games, you're probably gonna sit me
Speaker 1: anyway then. And I would hate to be, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy yards away from it, eighty yards away from it,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns away from it, whatever it may be, and
Speaker 1: I have to sit the last game of the year. Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm taking everything right now up front. So I think
Speaker 1: a lot of guys gonna and they do, and we'll
Speaker 1: continue to think that way. Well, obvins a linement or
Speaker 1: have a choice. You're starting five or six guys, you
Speaker 1: you know, coaches don't trust you know, that's that's there
Speaker 1: there for the receiver, in for the change office, a linement.
Speaker 1: They just do not want those sacks and they do
Speaker 1: not want to hit so on the quarterback. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a startup, backups or we played through the whole game
Speaker 1: season anyway the majority of the time. Well, they need
Speaker 1: to expand the roster, you think, because we're just gonna
Speaker 1: be more wear and tear on the guys. Now, they
Speaker 1: took away a preseason game, and you see right here
Speaker 1: the union is making it where their owners gonna be
Speaker 1: giving up too much in nothing, you know, but they're
Speaker 1: trying to take the union. Okay, you're trying to take
Speaker 1: away this. Okay, we're gonna keep the rest. The NFL
Speaker 1: will trying to keep the rest. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: how strong our union think they are, but they may
Speaker 1: push right today to an only to stop pushing back.
Speaker 1: What do you think about a second bye week? You
Speaker 1: think eventually they'll institute a second bye way, don't check
Speaker 1: the revenue. If the revenue stay second bye week, they'll
Speaker 1: do it. And there's no what do yall guys think about?
Speaker 1: Do you think an eighteen game season is imminent? Because
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have every year you're gonna have either
Speaker 1: one extra home game or one extra way game. They've
Speaker 1: got it at some point even that out right where
Speaker 1: you have equal amount of home games. I don't think
Speaker 1: they can though, till the next CBA comes up, and
Speaker 1: the seventeen game one was I think negotiated into the
Speaker 1: last contract where the NFL had that opportunity. I don't
Speaker 1: think that right now. I mean, I guess they could
Speaker 1: go in earlier and figure something out, but I don't
Speaker 1: think they have the ability to just say, Okay, now
Speaker 1: we're doing eighteen. They know how to go back in
Speaker 1: and negotiate it on the next deal. So it may
Speaker 1: be we may be with this for that deal was
Speaker 1: ten years we maybe it's seventeen, didn't didn't I read
Speaker 1: something a week or two ago that said they're gonna
Speaker 1: start having a mandatory game outside of the US every
Speaker 1: team has to play one. Did I read that or
Speaker 1: did I dream that up? Now there's something. I don't
Speaker 1: know the exact rules of it, but every team is
Speaker 1: supposed to play um overseas or I guess it could
Speaker 1: be in Mexico or something. Maybe that's part of what
Speaker 1: this is. Everybody has a game out of the country,
Speaker 1: and then you still have equal amount home and away games,
Speaker 1: although one of them that game would have to be
Speaker 1: home and away for somebody. But the revenue, you know,
Speaker 1: the revenue as far as home versus away would still
Speaker 1: match ups. Yeah, I think that's a team like the Cowboys. Everything.
Speaker 1: You know, a team like a Cowboy makes Cowboys make
Speaker 1: so much money off their home revenue that you know
Speaker 1: they're they're hesitant to go overseason like that. But this
Speaker 1: this probably gives our friend Jamie and others in England
Speaker 1: a better chance to maybe see the England or I've
Speaker 1: heard great Britain, Brazil, Germany, Mexico would probably Mexico. Mexico
Speaker 1: would be a huge game for us. That's probably where
Speaker 1: we would go. If I had to guess us in
Speaker 1: the Raiders in Mexico, that would be huge, huge, although
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to play the Raiders in Vegas. Well you would, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I sure would? All right? Thanks? Every eight years, by
Speaker 1: the way, Shannon, every eight year, every yeah, Humbrey team
Speaker 1: has to play an international game every eight years. Game
Speaker 1: got you, okay? And I believe it also works for
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. If you want to host a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: you have to give up. You have to give up
Speaker 1: a home game to an international game if you want
Speaker 1: to host a Super Bowl, Now, got you? Okay? All right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you very much Bradley Carter for tweeting that to us.
Speaker 1: I think that was yesterday. So all right, where should
Speaker 1: we go with this? Let's go here, Kurt. This is
Speaker 1: a great question that Kurt posed in his pre game
Speaker 1: his pre show notes. What if we talked about if
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts was there at ten? And I think we
Speaker 1: all agreed that you gotta take that guy if he's
Speaker 1: there at ten? Right, I think we were all unanimous
Speaker 1: with that, because what you backing up up on that?
Speaker 1: I never said I would definitely draft Pitch, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: You know I got a draft for needs, you know.
Speaker 1: All right? Well, I thought we were unanimous. I guess
Speaker 1: we weren't. So three three to one. What if the
Speaker 1: best player on the Cowboys? What hell this? You just
Speaker 1: answered this question before I asked it. What if the
Speaker 1: best player on the Cowboys board still left at ten,
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver like Jamar Chase, would you trade down?
Speaker 1: Would you would you draft him even though he's a receiver,
Speaker 1: because he's the best player, has the best grade on
Speaker 1: your board or do you go with need because we
Speaker 1: we've been hearing, you know, the last few years, you
Speaker 1: draft the best player on your board, right, whatever his
Speaker 1: grade is, whoever he is, if he falls to you,
Speaker 1: whatever they did last year, right, But then there's the
Speaker 1: would you get another receiver even though Jamar Chase is
Speaker 1: supposed to be, you know, really good? What would Kurt
Speaker 1: wouldn't take a receiver? You trade back? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: I would try to trade back because you you would
Speaker 1: have some of those defensive guys available. Still, I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point there has to be a breakoff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just you can't draft a quarterback this year. You
Speaker 1: can't draft a receiver. You mean you Yes, it's nice
Speaker 1: to say best player available, but there are some you know,
Speaker 1: hit the brakes. We can't do that, you know, is there?
Speaker 1: I think so? I think quarterback obviously? Yeah, running back.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way in hell you draft
Speaker 1: a running back. No, And I think we're receiver falls
Speaker 1: into that group too. Okay, what do you think, Jesse
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase? You're taking him? Or are you trading back? No?
Speaker 1: If I'm at ten? Yeah, and no corners there and
Speaker 1: no offensive lineman is there, I trade back if I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think Jamar Chase is a game
Speaker 1: changer enough for me on this team to stay there
Speaker 1: and take him at ten. Kyle Pitts, that's a horse
Speaker 1: of a different color. I think he's generational talent um.
Speaker 1: And if you know one of the top corners aren't
Speaker 1: there a horn or certain isn't there at ten, then
Speaker 1: I try trading back, and you know, I pick up
Speaker 1: some picks and I may get a guy later on
Speaker 1: in the first round. Nate, Wow, Wow, what were two
Speaker 1: weeks away? What we talk about when you're talking a
Speaker 1: little bit more to tense about offensive player talk two
Speaker 1: weeks away? You said this two months ago. Then you
Speaker 1: let me tell you, tell us name, tell us. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it. It's guys good enough to
Speaker 1: be drafted at that tenth spot, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to draft. You probably have to fall back no more
Speaker 1: of that three or four spots to get a guy
Speaker 1: what you really want. And ain't nobody giving up a
Speaker 1: second or third, so you may get a fourth, mourth
Speaker 1: fifth for that pig. Maybe let's get the best guy
Speaker 1: defensively within with if they if they ain't more than
Speaker 1: two or three spots, but they just get that guy,
Speaker 1: because I would just hate to be sitting in five
Speaker 1: months from now, all of us without head now not
Speaker 1: only got a sixteen and old y'all got the team
Speaker 1: going eight and eight, and we've fallen apart because because
Speaker 1: you traded back three spots. That's a good thing. That's
Speaker 1: a good thing about that seventeen seventeen when you make
Speaker 1: you worse on the winning side. So whenever that record,
Speaker 1: maybe Brother Jess and the rest of y'all, we have
Speaker 1: to drift eight defensive player that can impact us. We
Speaker 1: have to sign guys that can impact us. And so
Speaker 1: last year taught me a valuable less. Unless I see
Speaker 1: film on one of these guys that we I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a number of highlight film all these guys we
Speaker 1: got in free agency. You know, until I see something
Speaker 1: on that field, I ain't making no moves draft some
Speaker 1: guys would draft some guys. What do you think mel
Speaker 1: Kiper's latest mock draft. He had the Dallas the Dallas
Speaker 1: they had. He had the Cowboys trading down to fifteen
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Patriots to jump up draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Cowboys would still get Jac Horne at fifteen and leave
Speaker 1: they would pick up twenty twenty two first round or
Speaker 1: this is mel Kipers. That ain't a bad move. But
Speaker 1: if you if you are sured of getting Jac Horner,
Speaker 1: you are the kid from from bound. If you are
Speaker 1: sured of getting there, that's one thing. But from the
Speaker 1: guy I talked to who kind of no corners, he's saying,
Speaker 1: even though we have some good corners in this draft,
Speaker 1: this ain't a year where it's just dominant corners. He
Speaker 1: don't think none of these guys are dominant. Jess, I
Speaker 1: wanted to get your opinion on that. Is anyone these
Speaker 1: guys that you've seen dominant. I probably need to check
Speaker 1: with some of my draft vuruos running. Are these guys
Speaker 1: game changing guys? Are they just guys that fall into
Speaker 1: that tenth and level the twelfth slot. I think after
Speaker 1: these two guys Certain and Horn that it's a kind
Speaker 1: of a drop off. You might see some safeties, you know,
Speaker 1: some some kind of free safeties that you know may
Speaker 1: still have some skills. But as far as the cornerback position, um,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about step in ready to go right now,
Speaker 1: these are the top two guys to do so. And
Speaker 1: if you're talking about just overall polished, Certain is a
Speaker 1: little bit more polished than Horn is. Horn is still
Speaker 1: a little bit of a working progress, has a ton
Speaker 1: of upside. Uh, Certan is more can step in, can
Speaker 1: you get ready to go? Can fit into the scheme
Speaker 1: right now. But I always just think about what is
Speaker 1: dan Quinn going to do? Like what is he wants
Speaker 1: to he wants to run a cover three defense, And
Speaker 1: the only way you're able to successfully run and cover
Speaker 1: three defense, and if you have the corner that will
Speaker 1: be able to be out there on that third and
Speaker 1: to be able to cover and come up and tackle,
Speaker 1: and so anything past that, you know you're now taking
Speaker 1: a gamble. I mean, it's a gamble anything, but your
Speaker 1: gamble becomes increasingly more higher the more that you have
Speaker 1: to go into the draft. And you know, when you
Speaker 1: start looking at guys later on in the draft, I
Speaker 1: always think guys in like twenty something plus, those guys
Speaker 1: could have really been second rounders or third rounders that
Speaker 1: was pushed up into the first round. So outside of
Speaker 1: j C. J C. Horne and Certain, I think the
Speaker 1: drop off is significant for guys to come in and
Speaker 1: play right now. You and the Cowboys are looking for
Speaker 1: guys to come in and complete what they want to
Speaker 1: do on defense so they can go out and compete
Speaker 1: right now for a championship. You know how I know
Speaker 1: I'm old when you grow up watching guys play in
Speaker 1: the league and their and their kids are getting drafted.
Speaker 1: Joe Horn and Patrick Certain I didn't know that that
Speaker 1: was their kids until about two weeks ago that their
Speaker 1: dads were because I grew up watching Joe Horn with
Speaker 1: the Saints, and then Patrick Curtain was you know, he
Speaker 1: was an elite. He was an elite dB in the
Speaker 1: league for several years and then I figured the curtain
Speaker 1: went out. But then I was researching you know JC Horn,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that's Joe Hornes kid. Man. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I realized this a few years ago when we picked
Speaker 1: up Taco Charlton on the Cowboys bus from the airport
Speaker 1: and his parents were my age, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, whoever the Cowboys kid, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be an impact defensively, man, because we
Speaker 1: we we got it once again. We went out and
Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys which we don't know who
Speaker 1: these guys are. You know, we know they've been rotation guys.
Speaker 1: You can't if you're gonna move back into draft. And
Speaker 1: it's just just stated. If we've heard from broad as
Speaker 1: we've heard from all our draft experts here on these shows,
Speaker 1: that when you drafted in second and third round, and
Speaker 1: even though we may be hyping on these guys, these
Speaker 1: be guys that pushed up from the third round, the
Speaker 1: guys that where they failed in these positions because other
Speaker 1: guys were drafted at other positions of kneeds where it
Speaker 1: was a run on lineman or it was a run
Speaker 1: on on linebackers, and all of a sudden, Okay, Bob,
Speaker 1: this is the next guy that falls there. And so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be this is gonna be, this science here
Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah. What if it's not exactly in the
Speaker 1: case of the Patriots or any team or whatever. What
Speaker 1: if part of the package of moving down included a
Speaker 1: starting cornerback like if you know, the Patriots are rumored
Speaker 1: to be, you know, shopping Stephen Gilmore somebody like that,
Speaker 1: if he got money left on his contract, let's get him,
Speaker 1: if you know, but if he if he free, if
Speaker 1: even if it's gonna be a money issue. Let's get
Speaker 1: him this one year and you know, all right, fellas,
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Speaker 1: All right, fellas, I'm not sure which direction you guys
Speaker 1: want to go here. Actually I'm gonna throw out one
Speaker 1: question too. This is kind of backing up to what
Speaker 1: something Jesse said earlier. This actually comes from Kate Clark upstairs.
Speaker 1: She's listening to us, and I actually don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do without Kay helping me out all the time.
Speaker 1: But Jesse, you had mentioned that McCarthy hasn't maybe figured
Speaker 1: out this virtual thing. He's an old school guy who
Speaker 1: is not used to it, and you know, so on
Speaker 1: and so on. But you know, if you look at
Speaker 1: last year's Super Bowl teams, you had Andy Reid in there,
Speaker 1: who's sixty three. You had Bruce Arians, who's sixty eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't get much more old school than
Speaker 1: those two, and those teams both had success. What do
Speaker 1: you think just a matter how low to answer to
Speaker 1: that with Jesse, Yeah, what do you think? What do
Speaker 1: you think's going on there? I know the answer to
Speaker 1: that would go ahead on my Fred riding. Well, well
Speaker 1: we'll start in Tampa. And you saw what Tom they
Speaker 1: were doing in Tampa, right. Tom Brady said, well, I
Speaker 1: hear what y'are saying about. We had to do things virtually,
Speaker 1: but I'm at this high school field with my guys
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get this work in. And they got
Speaker 1: in trouble for it initially, but Tom Brady was getting
Speaker 1: that work in. While Bruce Arians may not have been
Speaker 1: able to get their hands on, he was able to
Speaker 1: send a message through Tom Brady. Tom Brady was able
Speaker 1: to get these guys lined up and ready to go,
Speaker 1: So they had that leadership there. And then when you
Speaker 1: look at a team like Kansas City, that's a veteran team,
Speaker 1: so coming in, you know, those guys had a bunch
Speaker 1: of I think they had almost every start return that
Speaker 1: they had offensively and defensively last year and that team,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't much teaching them. They already knew the system.
Speaker 1: They already knew what they had to do, They already
Speaker 1: knew their placement, they already knew the play calling, They
Speaker 1: already knew everything that you needed to know about, you know,
Speaker 1: what was going on in that thing. And then you
Speaker 1: had you had two of the best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys would have fared a little bit
Speaker 1: better in the years had they had the starting back.
Speaker 1: That would have made up for some of the laughs
Speaker 1: they had in other places. But Bruce Arians he had
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, he had a bunch of other veterans. Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: he had Patrick Mahomes and a roster of twenty two
Speaker 1: guys on the starting defense and offensive side of the
Speaker 1: ball that was already in his system. So these guys
Speaker 1: knew what to do already. So not having them in
Speaker 1: the offseason and being able to put your hands on
Speaker 1: it was different for a guy like Mike McCarthy who
Speaker 1: didn't know this team, didn't know this roster out of
Speaker 1: a couple guys of his own, was coming from another system,
Speaker 1: didn't know how where players fitting, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: So he was coming with the with the with the
Speaker 1: magnitude of different circumstances, opposed to Tom Brady saying, here's
Speaker 1: the offense that we're gonna run. Hey, meet me out
Speaker 1: at this high school football field. Let's get all this
Speaker 1: stuff done. And I'm not saying that the other guys
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys didn't do so, but they were learning
Speaker 1: everything new. And you know, in Kansas City was Kansas City.
Speaker 1: That team was built, ready to go. They just needed
Speaker 1: to start dating. I agreed, I got new the answer
Speaker 1: to that one. But friend, you know, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying other coaches in the league didn't look at other teams,
Speaker 1: but coach McCarthy, believe it or not, he came right
Speaker 1: off the street. He came right off the street. And
Speaker 1: the main thing we were talking about it at the
Speaker 1: end of the year was culture. Can we get a
Speaker 1: culture change? And the biggest way to getting the cultures change.
Speaker 1: This guys seeing their success by what they're doing on
Speaker 1: the field. These guys like, yeah, I got it, Yeah
Speaker 1: I got it. On paper, they got it. They drawing
Speaker 1: the lines, but they need to go on the field
Speaker 1: wide open second decisions. A lot of guys weren't making them, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were blowing coverages, they were blowing assignments, and
Speaker 1: so they needed to have their hands on these guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I would think going it now into this second year
Speaker 1: of potential virtual offseason workouts, that you would think the
Speaker 1: offense would be pretty said. You've got Kellen Moore back again,
Speaker 1: most of the major players are back, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But on defense, you now have another new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: third third one in three years, I think you've signed
Speaker 1: ten free agents and what like seven or eight of
Speaker 1: them or defensive guys. Are they going to run into
Speaker 1: the same problems, Well, well, this year differently, they will
Speaker 1: have some time to kind of you know, get on
Speaker 1: the field, get around some guys. At least guys can
Speaker 1: be in the building. You can sit down and kind
Speaker 1: of talk to some guys showing and so forth, and
Speaker 1: you have a little bit better handle of virtual learning.
Speaker 1: You know again, like Nate was saying, he can't right
Speaker 1: off the street. All these guys this is the first
Speaker 1: time they had to deal with technology and this way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. So they got a little bit under
Speaker 1: their belt. But when you look at the way that
Speaker 1: the the CBA has, you know, has written it out
Speaker 1: and the league has written it out for off of
Speaker 1: the program to go, you'll have some time where you
Speaker 1: get a chance. Remember there was there was literally no
Speaker 1: ot age. There were no anything, no mini camps, nothing
Speaker 1: last year. You will at least get some of that
Speaker 1: this off season so that you can look at guys
Speaker 1: and get on the feeling, work with guys and see
Speaker 1: how guys fit in your system. So it helps a
Speaker 1: little bit that you gotta gear under your belt, learning
Speaker 1: virtually players and coaches, and then not you'll able you'll
Speaker 1: be able to get back on the field and do
Speaker 1: something physically at some point in time in the spring
Speaker 1: because I unlike last year, Okay, they have a week
Speaker 1: on the field on May seventeenth, and they had come
Speaker 1: back again, they have four weeks of OTAs in many camps.
Speaker 1: That's from May twenty fourth of June eighteenth. They didn't
Speaker 1: have none of that last year, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: none of it man. And so even though the players,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm saying, guys like me, I need
Speaker 1: I needed those off season to work and to get
Speaker 1: in shape, Jess just explained that he needed and he
Speaker 1: saw the benefit you know a lot of these guys. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you turn this thing back into a veteran thing because
Speaker 1: coach is gonna trust veterans more than they do young guys,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's back into the into their court
Speaker 1: now for its veteran players. Nice. Well, other question I
Speaker 1: wanted to throwout you and Jesse. This might be directed
Speaker 1: more to towards Ju, but Nate you would know as well.
Speaker 1: Listen to one of our local radio stations here the
Speaker 1: other day and they had kind of interesting theory that
Speaker 1: today's game, you're starting to see more impact from smaller
Speaker 1: wide receivers. They're becoming more valuable than these you know,
Speaker 1: gigantic six foot four guys. Maybe not more valuable than them,
Speaker 1: but they're, in their own writer, creating more value based
Speaker 1: on mainland because some of the rule changes in such
Speaker 1: that speed and quickness be able to move in and
Speaker 1: out is maybe becoming a bigger, bigger, asset than just
Speaker 1: pure size. I went and looked at Kyle Yeoman, who
Speaker 1: did our draft rankings for our Draft Guide this year.
Speaker 1: He had thirty of his thirty top wide receivers thirteen
Speaker 1: or under six foot which is forty three percent. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty good, pretty good amount there. And then of
Speaker 1: that thirty also six were only five foot nine and
Speaker 1: three of those were in his top ten, which is
Speaker 1: pretty shocked by I mean that that's a that's a
Speaker 1: pretty small player. Do you do you think wide receivers
Speaker 1: is changing some and in how they're using them and
Speaker 1: then in the size needed. Yeah, the league is always changing.
Speaker 1: Remember least have to where it was always twelfth personnel, right, Nate, Right,
Speaker 1: it's always you know, twenty one personnel, or you know
Speaker 1: there's always two tight ends, a fullback. We don't have
Speaker 1: fullbacks anymore. I remember when ninety percent of the time
Speaker 1: you were you were under center. Now you're predominantly a
Speaker 1: shot none um. I remember when the wave of tall
Speaker 1: wide receivers were kind of coming into that Liar Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: two thousand and five sixtis you know era where the
Speaker 1: tall receivers were coming in. I remember when everybody had
Speaker 1: to go get a dominant running back. Now they're saying
Speaker 1: running backs are dinosaurs. Don't pick one in the first round,
Speaker 1: don't pick one in the second round. You can get
Speaker 1: you know, two later in the fifth round. So it's
Speaker 1: just the league doing what it does. It changes, it changes,
Speaker 1: and I remember when you didn't go for on third
Speaker 1: downs and you punt it, and you know, all these
Speaker 1: different things that the league is forever evolving and changing,
Speaker 1: and this is this is the new wave. The small
Speaker 1: slot receiver has emerged and is becoming a more valuable
Speaker 1: asset in the team's offense because now you want to
Speaker 1: have that guy control the middle of the football field
Speaker 1: because defensive guys they're getting bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletics.
Speaker 1: So you have to be able to match that. You
Speaker 1: have to be one step ahead. You know. Now you
Speaker 1: got lineman running, you know, three hundred pound defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: offensive linemen running forties and five seconds. You got linebackers
Speaker 1: running forties and four four four three, you got dbs.
Speaker 1: Everybody's running the four to three now, so I have
Speaker 1: to try to find advantages. And now the slot receiver
Speaker 1: is just the new wave of things that are happening
Speaker 1: for you know, the National Football League, and and it'll it'll, it'll,
Speaker 1: there'll be another change coming soon. You know, we're adding
Speaker 1: seventeen games. Who else know what, you know, they're another
Speaker 1: position may come about and and things may be different
Speaker 1: in the next you know, another five years. So that
Speaker 1: just the way the game goes. You evolve when you die.
Speaker 1: And so now the NFL is evolving, and slot receivers
Speaker 1: have become a hot commodity in team's offenses. I guess
Speaker 1: we'll see that counteracted. We talked about it some last week,
Speaker 1: how big the slot corners all be coming in there?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know Jesse. Jesse said, well, Kurt,
Speaker 1: the thing, the thing is this, get the best player
Speaker 1: that fits your system and understands what you want. It
Speaker 1: still comes down to that, you know, it still comes
Speaker 1: down it's this five nine guy equal or you see
Speaker 1: potential that you see in this guy in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: That's who started it till Yeah. But see this is
Speaker 1: where everybody forgets. This is what everybody forgets. Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: can catch. We used to see speed guys that couldn't
Speaker 1: hold on to that ball. It, see Tyreek all he's
Speaker 1: worried about now is let's he get off the line,
Speaker 1: he just run wherever he won't. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're a great route runner, but sometimes I just like,
Speaker 1: does that have a route? Just take off and go
Speaker 1: through a space. So I'm actually you just low as
Speaker 1: a guy could catch you get to his proper space.
Speaker 1: He all right, huh, let's speak killed speak killed man
Speaker 1: can catch it. And you got a guy like Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes who can throw the ball seventy yards on the
Speaker 1: drop of a dime, You're gonna have a place in
Speaker 1: this league. And it kind of even goes back to
Speaker 1: Wes Welker, you know, he was kind of really the
Speaker 1: ones who really kind of put a stamp on those
Speaker 1: small slot receivers, him and Tom Brady starting that wave
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And then now you just
Speaker 1: see it again, Dad E volves West was a slow
Speaker 1: white guy who can move great quick you know, quick spaces.
Speaker 1: And then now you just said that the you know, evolve, evolve, evolve, evolve, evolving.
Speaker 1: Now you got guys like Tyreek Hill, and you got
Speaker 1: guys um like like Cole Beasley who could play the
Speaker 1: slot you know, exclusively and just just tear you up.
Speaker 1: Julian Llelman, he just retired, comes from that West Welker
Speaker 1: kind of you know, underling. And there's a guy right
Speaker 1: at unt didn't who will be coming out who will
Speaker 1: probably be another guy and five nine guys, Devantage Smith
Speaker 1: and guys like that. Man, they're gonna just keep coming
Speaker 1: and keep coming and keep coming, and the skill set's
Speaker 1: gonna get greater and greater and greater, and it'll be
Speaker 1: tougher and tougher to defend them and all that. Dude,
Speaker 1: Now all that will down, Now, dude, is birth the
Speaker 1: next level of guys who will be specific slot corners.
Speaker 1: You know you always wanted your Deans or your darrelle
Speaker 1: Revis is to shut down the outside. Right. Dean used
Speaker 1: to say, seventy five percent of the world is covered
Speaker 1: by water. The other twenty five is covered by me.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna need somebody's gonna be specifically able to
Speaker 1: stay in front of a guy like Tyreek Hill in
Speaker 1: the slot, to stay in front of a guy like
Speaker 1: Devontae Smith in the slot, Ceedee Lamb in the slot.
Speaker 1: These guys are gonna have to now become position specific
Speaker 1: slot shut down corners, because that's going to become a
Speaker 1: part of the game where teams quarterbacks offense according is
Speaker 1: used much more. When I when I when I'm serious, man,
Speaker 1: when I when I look at Kansas City, as sharp
Speaker 1: as their quarterback is and as and as great as
Speaker 1: their system is, I see thirty percent of the time
Speaker 1: in a game when he's broken, broken contained or broken
Speaker 1: the pocket, he he just look around, man, and he
Speaker 1: go receivers just running everywhere. Well, yeah, it just turned
Speaker 1: into hey man, I'm opening. He got the strengthened the
Speaker 1: accuracy though, and it hits you, bro, and and when
Speaker 1: you got to do that. I don't know how tall
Speaker 1: as kid is, but I've seen him one time get
Speaker 1: jammed stopped on the line, but three seconds later he
Speaker 1: was going seven yards with the ball. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: he just got a jammed on the line. So a
Speaker 1: speed always and always will kill. One night, when Jimmy
Speaker 1: came in, that was his big thing about the defense.
Speaker 1: It was too slow, and he was a pastor defense.
Speaker 1: I remember when Jimmy told a bunch of media guys,
Speaker 1: he say, I am shocked. We did an overall team
Speaker 1: workout where he had us doing these specific drifts almost
Speaker 1: like uh, what they do at the combine and we're
Speaker 1: all out there running. And he told the guy as
Speaker 1: soon as he walked up the field they had about
Speaker 1: twenty reports. He said, my college team, my college defense
Speaker 1: as a whole, was faster than my pro defense. He said,
Speaker 1: that ain't happening. He said, no, this ain't nah. I
Speaker 1: think we had an average with like four eight nine.
Speaker 1: And he's like, man, we were four seven his college
Speaker 1: guys with all the line with all the cornerback like, nah,
Speaker 1: this is too slow. Yeah, And he changed us, man,
Speaker 1: he changed us quick. Maybe this, you know, moving a
Speaker 1: can O'Neil from safety down to linebacker. Maybe that's the
Speaker 1: want to see, I really do. I ain't trusting no
Speaker 1: more and and and and my instinct because they were
Speaker 1: wrong last year. They were totally wrong. And I had
Speaker 1: people believing that we had automatic to stop the ring game,
Speaker 1: and nobody hadn't put on any pads. And so I
Speaker 1: just want to see. If we don't stop the ring game,
Speaker 1: you can get all the corners you want. I'm just
Speaker 1: being on it. You can get all the corners and
Speaker 1: Saints as you want. If you don't stop the ring game,
Speaker 1: you can forget it. Bro can't be all a little
Speaker 1: and fast. You gotta have some big boys up front there.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I think we've hit our time, actually
Speaker 1: went over our time limit here. Thank you guys today
Speaker 1: for hanging out. Jesse, Oh you're looking good, looking good. Nate,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Chris, you're the MVP of this
Speaker 1: show today. You got us on the are before and
Speaker 1: during the middle, she said Channing as well. Always sorry
Speaker 1: you had to run off and leave us. But so
Speaker 1: you think he in the restaurant this long guys, man,
Speaker 1: he was hurting when he left here. I hope he
Speaker 1: washed his hands. He better. We might need to take
Speaker 1: that fabreeze into that bathroom. All right, we'll be back
Speaker 1: out of next Thursday. Maybe we can talk j Jesse
Speaker 1: and joining us in the studio's eleven thirty. Be here
Speaker 1: by eleven o'clock today at eleven fifteen next Thursday, Jesse,
Speaker 1: so we can see if I can't work that in.
Speaker 1: Jesse is a busy man. All right, Thank you all
Speaker 1: for tuning in once again. We will be back next Thursday,
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