WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Draft Picks; Lee's Greatest Hits 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.040 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:18.000 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he is Talking Cowboys, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.840 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:27.440 Star in fris Joe Hellowing did they live? Says dot 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:35.400 and now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.920 and Kyle Yeoman's three hundred and seventy seven days ago 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.800 we embarked on a journey, a journey that included a 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.240 formal Super Bowl champion, a professional football analyst, and a 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:53.240 Dallas Cowboys insider along with myself. April fourteenth, twenty twenty 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.400 was that day. April twenty six, twenty twenty one is 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.000 the first day that all four make it in studio. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:05.920 It's a party on Talking Cowboys in the person, in 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.760 the flash. We are here and we are ready to 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.679 roll the time. It's about time. Goodness gracious, and it 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.000 sounds great. We're not gonna have anybody lag out of 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.959 the chat. We're not gonna have any technical issues. We 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.959 are just firing on all cylinders Robs, Rob Phillips. We 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.160 did have one in person show last season. We did 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:30.119 and r V show outside us at Costito's Plaza. Yes, Sir, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.720 Isaiah and heck actually met in person for the first 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.559 time that day. That's how challenging this has been logistically, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.440 but hey, that's you know, that's life, and we're making 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.840 it work. It's so refreshing to not only have it 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.800 out there with FunTown RV and that was so much fun. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.760 But it was like for two days and we were like, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.680 oh man, we want more, and we had to go 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.720 back to the you go back to the web ax, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.160 we had to go back to the virtual. But Isaiah, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.320 we're here. We are here, We're here in back in person. 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.680 Glad to have Heckla back. I mean, Isaiah's been in 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.600 a couple times hectually. You're the only one that hasn't 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.760 been in here since COVID started, right, Yeah, I've been 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.640 feeling like that's been something against me, right And that's 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.480 why I'm not sitting down. That's why I'm not sitting 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:08.960 down because I don't know when they're gonna come through 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:18.000 the door and say I don't like Oh man, I'm 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.320 I'm so looking forward to this and and of course 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.800 we will hopefully have this for the rest of the 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.320 off season and head into the twenty twenty one campaign 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.040 as well. So super excited about that. So glad that 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.760 everyone around Talking Cowboys that has listened to the show 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.280 previously has stuck with us too, because we know it's 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.560 hard to listen to some time times and we know 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.440 that it's not necessarily the best quality, but now the 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.000 quality is here and we're ready to roll. The happiest 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.960 person about this is Chris Beam next time the question easy, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.040 so true, I'll be yeah, And he can talk now 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.440 on the on the show, so true. I'm easily second 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.560 in line for that, just having the host these shows. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.480 But man, we are pumped about this, but we do 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.880 have some breaking news to go to right off the top, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.520 fitting that we're all in all in studio for this. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.160 But Rob tell us what this breaking news is and 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.680 what just came down in Dallas Cowboys land as of 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.280 about what three minutes ago, Yeah, Todd Archer VSPN has 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.960 the scoop. Shawn Lee is set to retire after what 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.600 ten seasons with the Cowboys and some questions about his 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.720 future for what the second third straight off season. So 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.000 you know, Cowboys haven't officially announced it. I would expect 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.720 an announcement coming up here. If not today, then sometime 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.799 this week and man end of a really good career 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.840 that could have been, you know, it could have been 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.280 a Hall of Fame type career if he had just 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.120 been able to stay on the field a little bit more. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.000 But still a really good career. And you talk about 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:48.040 ten seasons, fourteen interceptions, You had the tackles, the leadership, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.720 the locker room presence. I mean, what was the biggest 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.640 thing that you're going to remember about Seawan Lee's career, Isaiah, 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.040 when you look at what he leaves behind in Dallas, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.440 off top is just the leadership, right, those are versations 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.920 that you hear um. Obviously, he's a good player, but 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.040 the main thing that you really hear when his name 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.120 comes up is the fact that he led the team 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.520 and everybody responded to him, and everybody respected him, and 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.640 he was that voice in a locker room even when 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.440 he was unable to be on the field, which I 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.880 know all too well about being able to unable to 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.000 be on the field. You mean, you still heard how 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.839 important it was for him to have a presence even 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.680 being on the sideline. And that's just not something that 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.599 you hear about from every guy. Yeah, same for me, leadership, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.760 you know, leading by example, doing it the way it's 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.400 supposed to be done. Professional on the field and off 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.320 the field. You know, I love guys like that. You know, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.400 they're all about their careers and making other people better. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.039 And even when he was hurt, you saw what he 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.960 was doing on the sidelines making guys better end game. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.800 So I mean, I'm man Sean Lee is going to 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.240 be someone one that will be remembered and probably a 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.440 staple for years to come. As that's the word cornerstone, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.560 all right, that's the guy that you only reserved cornerstone 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.480 for guys like Sean Lee and what he's done. You know, 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.080 he said after the or late in the season and 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.520 something to the effect of, I still feel like I 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.839 have a lot left to give, So you know, maybe 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.000 he changed his mind. Cowboys have a new defensive staff 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.400 coming in basically or an altar staff with dan Quinn. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.720 You know, they bring in Neil from Atlanta, who's more 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.120 of a dan Quinn guy. Maybe that factored into it 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.560 to a certain degree. They still need linebacker depth though. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.200 The week of the draft. I mean, that's that's stop 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.760 without question, that's one of them. Yeahs, as we've talked 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.599 about quite a bit of wo and debated quite a 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.000 bit on this show, so you know, we'll see what 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.159 happens at one stat though Kyle wanted to point out, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.280 I just looked it up. He's eighth all time in 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.080 Cowboys tackles all time. Darren Woodson's number one. He's got 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.880 Darren's got about three hundred and eighty tackles on him 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.839 all time. Sean I looked it up mostly by injury. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.520 He missed fifty seven games in his career, including an 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.240 entire season in twenty fourteen, and he plays one eighteen 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.719 out of those fifty seven games. I mean, he could 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.520 have added fifty seven on top of one eighteen, probably 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.479 would have been the all time leading tackler, you know, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.360 and probably you know, Ring of Honor, Hall of Fame, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.880 all that stuff. But he's still I think, got everything 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.120 every ounceide of his career that he could. And he 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.640 probably can rest easy knowing that. What is the biggest 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.520 memory or the best memory you're gonna have of Sean 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.080 Lee specifically because I mean, he had some of the 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.760 big biggest stops I think in that in that time period. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.120 But I don't want to necessarily remember Sean Lee as 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.480 a what if because he was a fantastic player. I mean, 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.839 we that's one of the reasons why we're taking a 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.440 chance to talk about breaking news on draft week about 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.000 him retiring, because he's that good of a player. He 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.640 just never was on the field as much as you 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.880 would like. But what's your biggest memory, best memory when 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.720 it comes to Shun Lee. I don't really have one specifically, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.720 to be honest with you. Um, I just I just 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.640 respect the fact that he was so so highly regarded. Yeah, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.920 not only on his team, but a round the league. Um. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.880 And yeah, I think that that's a that's a testament 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.240 to who he is, not only as a person, but 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.200 as a player as well. So, UM, I don't have 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.800 one specific thing. Um, but you know, you just you 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:54.880 you you can feel how important he is to his 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.840 entire organization and guys just don't have that impact. You know. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.719 I'm gonna be so ticked off of myself after this 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.560 because I'm I'm trying to think of a Sean Lee moment. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.040 I can't think of one. I mean, he's just tough 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.760 as nails. I mean, you know, he's a guy that's 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.720 gonna bring it every time from his rookie season on 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.640 and you talk about missing fifty seven games. You know, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.280 he did everything that he possibly could to get back 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.680 on the field. I remember the times and he got 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.239 hurt and I believe it was OTAs that he tores 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.240 knee up and twenty fourteen. I mean that was a 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.640 bummer because he was right there on the cusp, you 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.040 could tell. And it's set him back that injury. So 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.000 I don't want to want that to be the thing 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.400 that I remember about him because he was so solid 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.080 on the field. Two time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.360 And you mentioned the twenty thirteen season before the injury, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.640 and they tore an ACL in twenty fourteen. Yet four 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.560 interceptions as a linebacker, I mean four picks as a linebacker. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.600 If you put that kind of productivity on this Cowboys 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.040 defense right now, we would explode with excitement. Yeah, that's 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.920 a playmate, would be everything you've ever wanted. So, of 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.880 course fifty is gonna be missed on the field. What's 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.600 next for him? Rob? Do you think he's a coach? Yeah? Yeah, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.800 I don't. I don't know where. I mean, you know, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.920 the Cowboys staff is what it is at this point. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.880 Sure an offer would come from this direction right. If 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.040 not here, I could see him coaching high school. I 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.760 could see him coaching Peewee Pop Warner College. You name 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.960 it like to me, he it's it's a Jason Witten 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.360 type thing. Like he's got to be around football in 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.760 some capacity, and I think he will be at some point. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.240 And McCarthy, Mike McCarthy said late in the season, they've 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.880 even kind of had those conversations, not necessarily here, but 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.200 just you know, you're you're ripe for this type of 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.720 of life if you want to do it, if you 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.240 want to put in the hours, which it's a lot 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.600 of hours, and he's made a lot of money. It 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.240 doesn't have to do it if you don't want to. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.280 Jason Witten needs a defensive coordinator at our guy, Liberty Christian. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.920 I'm sure he's probably hired one already, but that guy's 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.120 not Sean Leey. So if he wanted to go coach 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.880 in the area, are you taking people's positions? I'm sorry, man. Yeah, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:54.439 Sean Lee. Sean Lee retiring after eleven seasons in the NFL, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.320 ten healthy ones with the Dallas Cowboys, and we of 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.000 course wish Shan Lee the best, and it does present 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.120 a bit of a need and put some magnifying glass 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:08.760 on that linebacker spot. Isaiah's already perked up at closer luck. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.000 Oh you want to talk about linebacker now? Oh my god, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:18.080 what does happening? So after the Cowboys take a corner 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.600 a tenth overall, whenever we have a chance to get 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.920 back into the top of the first round, go, let's 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.800 talk about trades. How about that? Which is more likely 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.000 whenever the NFL Draft comes up on Thursday, a trade 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.920 up or a trade down? And We've mentioned this on 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.360 a couple other shows, but I want to hear your 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.319 thoughts because trading up would take draft capital, but it 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.480 would put you in a better position to take maybe 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.199 either one of those corners or maybe if you think 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.280 Michael Parsons is going to fly off the board beforehand. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.200 And I'm saying that specifically for Isaiah standback, But do 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.920 you think it's more likely for with a trade up 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.320 or a trade down scenario? Trading down of course, taking 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.160 those extra picks. I'm going with trade down. I think 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.480 where we're at, I don't think financially we can really 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.800 afford to me to me picks that are higher up 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.160 than where we're already at. That's a good point talking 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.439 about just even draft a lot men and salaries that 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.760 are to those higher picks. Absolutely right, So I think 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.920 we're gonna struggle even with the tenth pick we decided 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.160 to stay there trying to fit that in there. But 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.439 I think trading down obviously in getting that equity right, 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.720 getting those getting that young talent. Obviously, we all recognize 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.080 that we have a depth issue at a number of positions, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.440 and the best way to fill those depth issues is 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.559 obviously getting some young talent that you can get down 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.880 there in the second round things of that nature. So 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.760 I think you give up a top ten pick, and 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.120 you go down there and you pick up, you know, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:32.640 a couple a couple of second round picks and maybe 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.960 even third round pick, you know, in addition to what 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.959 you already have. Yeah, you know what. I just think 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.120 that this is this draft is so hard to gauge 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.600 because of COVID and and it's still it's going to 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.000 be reacing habit on all the draft departments because of 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.560 the whole evaluation process. But I would definitely trade back. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.800 There isn't a player that I can think of that 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.440 I would trade that. He's just can't miss guy. But 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.920 you know, obviously we're not in the the back of 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.320 market um and even for Kyle Pitts. And that's where 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.520 everybody is thinking, like what if, what if? What if? 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.520 What if? And if it's true that you know, mister 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.680 Jones is enamored with Kyle Pitts and that does happen, 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.920 it wouldn't surprise me, But that would be a thing 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.880 I would be that would be heard about the draft 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.560 capital that we'd have to give up because we need 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.800 so many different things. What about Seul would you trade 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.120 would you trade up to get him? Though? Because I 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.600 know usually people don't trade up to get office alignment. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.000 But if you get a solid office alignment and add 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.439 him to what you already have a healthy officer of 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.640 Dalla dallas Ky Cowboys office align, you throw him in 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.720 the mix. Not only do you protect your man number four, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.600 but you also accelerate the production of number twenty one 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.960 behind there as well. So we're just bringing this up now, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.719 that's the first time we've ever heard anybody on this 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.760 show talk about a tackle going. No what I'm saying 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.960 if if we're talking about treating how later not soon? 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.840 That's true? It's because Seuel seems a little out of 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.440 reach and just just to go along with your point. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.720 And we did a mock draft, first round mock draft 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.720 on the Draft Show this morning, and out of those 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.040 top ten picks, Penney sol went number five overall, Michael 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.640 Parsons went number nine, and you had Slater available at ten. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.040 Of course, David Hellman, who made the pick for the 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.240 Draft Show, picked Patrick's or Tan because he thinks that 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.480 would be the selection. But Rob, if there is that, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.080 if Pinney soool is that high on the board and 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.160 there is that player up there, could you go trade 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.360 with somebody like Cincinnati or like Atlanta maybe to go 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:28.840 and try and make that pick or what did you 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.720 rather do that? For a generational type of talent like 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.199 Kyle Pitts, Me and Hecker on the same board here, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.319 Kyle Pitts is gonna go four to Atlanta and we 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.520 don't have to talk about it anymore. I mean, I 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:41.520 can't wait for that. That's where we went in the 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.600 mock draft as well. Yeah, I mean I think they're 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.120 gonna make that move. I think they're in a perfect 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.840 spot of just sit and wait and see what happens. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.800 I mean, I don't think tackle even though it is 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.520 a need long term. I don't view tackle as they 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.640 gotta go up to get one. If they were more 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.680 concerned about Tyrn Smith than Lyle Collins, fine, but I 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.120 think right now they can sit there and wait and see. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.200 Maybe the first defensive player off the board comes to 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.600 them at ten. It's possible that it's that it's all 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.400 offense one through nine, and even if one of the 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.400 top two corners goes it, say eight, they could still 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.920 have their pick there. If both are still there, maybe 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.520 you trade back, which you know, and still get a 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.120 guy that you really like. If they have kind of 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.000 a cluster of guys they really like. I think trade 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.040 back is probably the most logical possibility. And you're gonna 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 have so many offers on draft day for that ten 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.520 spot because things are gonna fall not I mean even 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.920 all the mock drafts and everyone has someone different one 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.480 through ten. Sure, but if some one of these quarterbacks 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.440 that say a New England wants or if someone wants 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.080 to come up and get a future quarterback, we're in 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.280 a prime position to give that up and get extra 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.280 picks in this draft. Maybe you know, get you another 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.960 get you another number one pick, get two number ones 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.680 and How angry would you be though? In Cowboys Nation, 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.000 how angry would you be if you trade it out 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.600 of the top ten? I wouldn't be. It depends on 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.280 who's there where you trade back. How far would you 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.680 trade back? Yeah? How far you trading back? Yeah, I 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.320 want to ask the question. Yeah, I mean it would 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.400 probably most likely. How often do you have a top 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.640 ten pick? Not a lot, not often, not often. I 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.600 mean Zeke and was Mo top ten? Yeah, he was traded. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.680 They traded up to six. So yeah, it's only blaying 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.360 a couple of times this last fifteen years. Yeah. The 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.720 most likely trade back partners would be the Chargers at thirteen, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.520 Patriots at fifteen, maybe the Raiders at seventeen if they 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.760 want to do something crazy, Washington at nineteen, and then 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.240 Chicago at twenty. You're probably not gonna do Washington because 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.600 you don't want to give them their franchise quarterback because 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.400 that's what they would trade up for, and Gruten's not 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.280 trading out of that position. Yeah, you would probably think 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.080 somebody there. He ended up taking jam And Davis, the 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.280 linebacker out of Kentucky, with that pick in our mock 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.240 draft earlier at thirteen at seventeen seventeen okay, still very high, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.280 but yeah, but seventeen was where he ended up making 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.640 that pick. But there were a player just some of 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.120 the names that went after Jalen Waddle, Elijah Veritucker, Christian Derrisau, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.280 Davante Sman, Jasey Horne, jam and Davis Quitti Pay, Jeremiah 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.080 Usu Cormoa, and Rashod Bateman. Those were ten through twenty 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.320 in our picks. There's a lot of good players that 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.400 Phil needs there. But it doesn't make you more comfortable 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.600 moving back only if only if they don't care you 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.360 know who they get at that point, if they if 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.760 they've got like a list of five guys that they're like, 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.120 it doesn't matter. We love all these guys. If we 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.960 dropped I saw one mock draft where you know which, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.720 where's the New England pick in fifteen, then they pick 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.640 up New England second round pick, which is like number 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.480 forty six or something like that there is and then okay, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.720 you dropped five spots and hey, they're still a great 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.480 defensive player. We're very confident they're still gonna be somebody there. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.480 That's that's where I would feel comfortable going down to 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.520 like twenty or something. I don't know. I don't know, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.600 because then you're missing out on it's too big of 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.760 a gap. Yeah, I mean usually usually you have twenty 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.600 first round grades on on guys or less, so I 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.400 wouldn't want to drop back too much. But a extra 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.000 they do have extra EMO, they have an extra third 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.560 round pick. They haven't won multiple fourth round picks, so 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:58.880 it's not like they're having to trade up and then 0:15:58.880 --> 0:15:59.960 all of a sudden they don't even have a set 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.120 around pick. They've got a lot of picks in this draft. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.840 I think if you trade to fifteen, and here's the 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.920 full screen of what the picks were ten through twenty 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.440 on the board. But if we trade back to fifteen 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.240 and you go to where the Patriots were at least 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.240 in the mock draft that we had earlier this morning, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.200 there's a chance this is the top nine picks you 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.680 got them trade up to seven. There you go, Yeah, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.920 Patriots did trade up to seven. But if that, if 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.000 that trade didn't happen with Detroit and they're picking at 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.440 fifteen and they wanted to come up and get a 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.480 quarterback at ten, guess who's there that was picked at 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.280 sixteen by Arizona Jase Horne, and if he may be 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.440 your top corner, right, why not have that conversation with 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.520 New England. Why not say, Okay, we have both Certana 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.280 and Horn here. We like both of these guys. Let's 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.520 drop back because New York Philadelphia very unlikely to pick 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.160 a corner. Same thing with Los Angeles. Minnesota picked two 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.000 in last year's draft, with Jeff Gladney and kid out 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.640 of Mississippi State. I'm forgetting his name right now, but 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.480 both of those guys were picked in last year's draft. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.480 You could get a corner at fifteen depending on where 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.800 you ended up selecting. Now we have this conversation last 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:09.640 show about guys playing, you know, being just solid man 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.240 to man cover corners and coming into a zone system 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:17.080 and finding a system that meets matches what they do. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.960 Jac Horne is a guy that is South Carolina played 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.800 in a predominantly man system. Not to say that we 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.960 won't play man on the outside, because we will, okay, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.360 but does he fit what we need right now? Jac 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.760 Horne phenomenal player. I'm just saying when we talk, look 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.160 at the defense and see all of the different things 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.840 that we need. J. C. Horne and we're gonna double 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.800 dip because I still believe we're going to continue to 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.280 look for safety other corners and guys that are twinters 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.040 are hybrid guys at that position. But why not look 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.680 at moving back If you're gonna do that to say, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.440 get an edge rusher, why not get an edge? Why 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.720 not get moved back into if you would have the 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.080 top edge on your board. That's what I'm saying. And 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.439 then say at forty four or five wherever New England's 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.400 if you pull off a trade like that and then 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.240 go back and again get a one tech. These are 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.880 I mean, this is what we need to fill out 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.239 this defense to make it better. Because you're looking at 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.639 the defense that and just say, the month of October 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.080 gave up one hundred and forty nine points in October. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:24.280 That's it, one hundred forty nine. So wait a second. Now, 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.800 I don't know how much. I don't know how much 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.920 a corner is in that the month of October would 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.520 have stopped some of that. But at the same time, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.440 the building blocks to put this defense together, that's where 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.480 you're gonna have to look. And I know Cowboy Nation 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.639 and Twitter and everybody, they have their guys that they want. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.560 But come on, let's just think logically about this. How 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.480 you build a defense and where our needs are. Where 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.280 was Parsons in your mock draft nine? He went before 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.600 the Cowboys heart Broncos picked him at nine. Bucky Brooks 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.159 was on that made that selection, which I thought was 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:01.439 interesting because before the draft process last season, before he 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.399 opted out, he was a top five player on the 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.000 board before the quarterbacks came into the came into the 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.000 play before these quarterbacks, and by the way, five quarterbacks 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.520