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Speaker 1: are just firing on all cylinders Robs, Rob Phillips. We
Speaker 1: did have one in person show last season. We did
Speaker 1: and r V show outside us at Costito's Plaza. Yes, Sir,
Speaker 1: Isaiah and heck actually met in person for the first
Speaker 1: time that day. That's how challenging this has been logistically,
Speaker 1: but hey, that's you know, that's life, and we're making
Speaker 1: it work. It's so refreshing to not only have it
Speaker 1: out there with FunTown RV and that was so much fun.
Speaker 1: But it was like for two days and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh man, we want more, and we had to go
Speaker 1: back to the you go back to the web ax,
Speaker 1: we had to go back to the virtual. But Isaiah,
Speaker 1: we're here. We are here, We're here in back in person.
Speaker 1: Glad to have Heckla back. I mean, Isaiah's been in
Speaker 1: a couple times hectually. You're the only one that hasn't
Speaker 1: been in here since COVID started, right, Yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: feeling like that's been something against me, right And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not sitting down. That's why I'm not sitting
Speaker 1: down because I don't know when they're gonna come through
Speaker 1: the door and say I don't like Oh man, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so looking forward to this and and of course
Speaker 1: we will hopefully have this for the rest of the
Speaker 1: off season and head into the twenty twenty one campaign
Speaker 1: as well. So super excited about that. So glad that
Speaker 1: everyone around Talking Cowboys that has listened to the show
Speaker 1: previously has stuck with us too, because we know it's
Speaker 1: hard to listen to some time times and we know
Speaker 1: that it's not necessarily the best quality, but now the
Speaker 1: quality is here and we're ready to roll. The happiest
Speaker 1: person about this is Chris Beam next time the question easy,
Speaker 1: so true, I'll be yeah, And he can talk now
Speaker 1: on the on the show, so true. I'm easily second
Speaker 1: in line for that, just having the host these shows.
Speaker 1: But man, we are pumped about this, but we do
Speaker 1: have some breaking news to go to right off the top,
Speaker 1: fitting that we're all in all in studio for this.
Speaker 1: But Rob tell us what this breaking news is and
Speaker 1: what just came down in Dallas Cowboys land as of
Speaker 1: about what three minutes ago, Yeah, Todd Archer VSPN has
Speaker 1: the scoop. Shawn Lee is set to retire after what
Speaker 1: ten seasons with the Cowboys and some questions about his
Speaker 1: future for what the second third straight off season. So
Speaker 1: you know, Cowboys haven't officially announced it. I would expect
Speaker 1: an announcement coming up here. If not today, then sometime
Speaker 1: this week and man end of a really good career
Speaker 1: that could have been, you know, it could have been
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame type career if he had just
Speaker 1: been able to stay on the field a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But still a really good career. And you talk about
Speaker 1: ten seasons, fourteen interceptions, You had the tackles, the leadership,
Speaker 1: the locker room presence. I mean, what was the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that you're going to remember about Seawan Lee's career, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: when you look at what he leaves behind in Dallas,
Speaker 1: off top is just the leadership, right, those are versations
Speaker 1: that you hear um. Obviously, he's a good player, but
Speaker 1: the main thing that you really hear when his name
Speaker 1: comes up is the fact that he led the team
Speaker 1: and everybody responded to him, and everybody respected him, and
Speaker 1: he was that voice in a locker room even when
Speaker 1: he was unable to be on the field, which I
Speaker 1: know all too well about being able to unable to
Speaker 1: be on the field. You mean, you still heard how
Speaker 1: important it was for him to have a presence even
Speaker 1: being on the sideline. And that's just not something that
Speaker 1: you hear about from every guy. Yeah, same for me, leadership,
Speaker 1: you know, leading by example, doing it the way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be done. Professional on the field and off
Speaker 1: the field. You know, I love guys like that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're all about their careers and making other people better.
Speaker 1: And even when he was hurt, you saw what he
Speaker 1: was doing on the sidelines making guys better end game.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm man Sean Lee is going to
Speaker 1: be someone one that will be remembered and probably a
Speaker 1: staple for years to come. As that's the word cornerstone,
Speaker 1: all right, that's the guy that you only reserved cornerstone
Speaker 1: for guys like Sean Lee and what he's done. You know,
Speaker 1: he said after the or late in the season and
Speaker 1: something to the effect of, I still feel like I
Speaker 1: have a lot left to give, So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he changed his mind. Cowboys have a new defensive staff
Speaker 1: coming in basically or an altar staff with dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: You know, they bring in Neil from Atlanta, who's more
Speaker 1: of a dan Quinn guy. Maybe that factored into it
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. They still need linebacker depth though.
Speaker 1: The week of the draft. I mean, that's that's stop
Speaker 1: without question, that's one of them. Yeahs, as we've talked
Speaker 1: about quite a bit of wo and debated quite a
Speaker 1: bit on this show, so you know, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens at one stat though Kyle wanted to point out,
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. He's eighth all time in
Speaker 1: Cowboys tackles all time. Darren Woodson's number one. He's got
Speaker 1: Darren's got about three hundred and eighty tackles on him
Speaker 1: all time. Sean I looked it up mostly by injury.
Speaker 1: He missed fifty seven games in his career, including an
Speaker 1: entire season in twenty fourteen, and he plays one eighteen
Speaker 1: out of those fifty seven games. I mean, he could
Speaker 1: have added fifty seven on top of one eighteen, probably
Speaker 1: would have been the all time leading tackler, you know,
Speaker 1: and probably you know, Ring of Honor, Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But he's still I think, got everything
Speaker 1: every ounceide of his career that he could. And he
Speaker 1: probably can rest easy knowing that. What is the biggest
Speaker 1: memory or the best memory you're gonna have of Sean
Speaker 1: Lee specifically because I mean, he had some of the
Speaker 1: big biggest stops I think in that in that time period.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to necessarily remember Sean Lee as
Speaker 1: a what if because he was a fantastic player. I mean,
Speaker 1: we that's one of the reasons why we're taking a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about breaking news on draft week about
Speaker 1: him retiring, because he's that good of a player. He
Speaker 1: just never was on the field as much as you
Speaker 1: would like. But what's your biggest memory, best memory when
Speaker 1: it comes to Shun Lee. I don't really have one specifically,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Um, I just I just
Speaker 1: respect the fact that he was so so highly regarded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not only on his team, but a round the league. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that that's a that's a testament
Speaker 1: to who he is, not only as a person, but
Speaker 1: as a player as well. So, UM, I don't have
Speaker 1: one specific thing. Um, but you know, you just you
Speaker 1: you you can feel how important he is to his
Speaker 1: entire organization and guys just don't have that impact. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so ticked off of myself after this
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm trying to think of a Sean Lee moment.
Speaker 1: I can't think of one. I mean, he's just tough
Speaker 1: as nails. I mean, you know, he's a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna bring it every time from his rookie season on
Speaker 1: and you talk about missing fifty seven games. You know,
Speaker 1: he did everything that he possibly could to get back
Speaker 1: on the field. I remember the times and he got
Speaker 1: hurt and I believe it was OTAs that he tores
Speaker 1: knee up and twenty fourteen. I mean that was a
Speaker 1: bummer because he was right there on the cusp, you
Speaker 1: could tell. And it's set him back that injury. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to want that to be the thing
Speaker 1: that I remember about him because he was so solid
Speaker 1: on the field. Two time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the twenty thirteen season before the injury,
Speaker 1: and they tore an ACL in twenty fourteen. Yet four
Speaker 1: interceptions as a linebacker, I mean four picks as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: If you put that kind of productivity on this Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense right now, we would explode with excitement. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a playmate, would be everything you've ever wanted. So, of
Speaker 1: course fifty is gonna be missed on the field. What's
Speaker 1: next for him? Rob? Do you think he's a coach? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know where. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys staff is what it is at this point.
Speaker 1: Sure an offer would come from this direction right. If
Speaker 1: not here, I could see him coaching high school. I
Speaker 1: could see him coaching Peewee Pop Warner College. You name
Speaker 1: it like to me, he it's it's a Jason Witten
Speaker 1: type thing. Like he's got to be around football in
Speaker 1: some capacity, and I think he will be at some point.
Speaker 1: And McCarthy, Mike McCarthy said late in the season, they've
Speaker 1: even kind of had those conversations, not necessarily here, but
Speaker 1: just you know, you're you're ripe for this type of
Speaker 1: of life if you want to do it, if you
Speaker 1: want to put in the hours, which it's a lot
Speaker 1: of hours, and he's made a lot of money. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do it if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: Jason Witten needs a defensive coordinator at our guy, Liberty Christian.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably hired one already, but that guy's
Speaker 1: not Sean Leey. So if he wanted to go coach
Speaker 1: in the area, are you taking people's positions? I'm sorry, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Sean Lee retiring after eleven seasons in the NFL,
Speaker 1: ten healthy ones with the Dallas Cowboys, and we of
Speaker 1: course wish Shan Lee the best, and it does present
Speaker 1: a bit of a need and put some magnifying glass
Speaker 1: on that linebacker spot. Isaiah's already perked up at closer luck.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to talk about linebacker now? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what does happening? So after the Cowboys take a corner
Speaker 1: a tenth overall, whenever we have a chance to get
Speaker 1: back into the top of the first round, go, let's
Speaker 1: talk about trades. How about that? Which is more likely
Speaker 1: whenever the NFL Draft comes up on Thursday, a trade
Speaker 1: up or a trade down? And We've mentioned this on
Speaker 1: a couple other shows, but I want to hear your
Speaker 1: thoughts because trading up would take draft capital, but it
Speaker 1: would put you in a better position to take maybe
Speaker 1: either one of those corners or maybe if you think
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is going to fly off the board beforehand.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that specifically for Isaiah standback, But do
Speaker 1: you think it's more likely for with a trade up
Speaker 1: or a trade down scenario? Trading down of course, taking
Speaker 1: those extra picks. I'm going with trade down. I think
Speaker 1: where we're at, I don't think financially we can really
Speaker 1: afford to me to me picks that are higher up
Speaker 1: than where we're already at. That's a good point talking
Speaker 1: about just even draft a lot men and salaries that
Speaker 1: are to those higher picks. Absolutely right, So I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna struggle even with the tenth pick we decided
Speaker 1: to stay there trying to fit that in there. But
Speaker 1: I think trading down obviously in getting that equity right,
Speaker 1: getting those getting that young talent. Obviously, we all recognize
Speaker 1: that we have a depth issue at a number of positions,
Speaker 1: and the best way to fill those depth issues is
Speaker 1: obviously getting some young talent that you can get down
Speaker 1: there in the second round things of that nature. So
Speaker 1: I think you give up a top ten pick, and
Speaker 1: you go down there and you pick up, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple a couple of second round picks and maybe
Speaker 1: even third round pick, you know, in addition to what
Speaker 1: you already have. Yeah, you know what. I just think
Speaker 1: that this is this draft is so hard to gauge
Speaker 1: because of COVID and and it's still it's going to
Speaker 1: be reacing habit on all the draft departments because of
Speaker 1: the whole evaluation process. But I would definitely trade back.
Speaker 1: There isn't a player that I can think of that
Speaker 1: I would trade that. He's just can't miss guy. But
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're not in the the back of
Speaker 1: market um and even for Kyle Pitts. And that's where
Speaker 1: everybody is thinking, like what if, what if? What if?
Speaker 1: What if? And if it's true that you know, mister
Speaker 1: Jones is enamored with Kyle Pitts and that does happen,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me, But that would be a thing
Speaker 1: I would be that would be heard about the draft
Speaker 1: capital that we'd have to give up because we need
Speaker 1: so many different things. What about Seul would you trade
Speaker 1: would you trade up to get him? Though? Because I
Speaker 1: know usually people don't trade up to get office alignment.
Speaker 1: But if you get a solid office alignment and add
Speaker 1: him to what you already have a healthy officer of
Speaker 1: Dalla dallas Ky Cowboys office align, you throw him in
Speaker 1: the mix. Not only do you protect your man number four,
Speaker 1: but you also accelerate the production of number twenty one
Speaker 1: behind there as well. So we're just bringing this up now,
Speaker 1: that's the first time we've ever heard anybody on this
Speaker 1: show talk about a tackle going. No what I'm saying
Speaker 1: if if we're talking about treating how later not soon?
Speaker 1: That's true? It's because Seuel seems a little out of
Speaker 1: reach and just just to go along with your point.
Speaker 1: And we did a mock draft, first round mock draft
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show this morning, and out of those
Speaker 1: top ten picks, Penney sol went number five overall, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons went number nine, and you had Slater available at ten.
Speaker 1: Of course, David Hellman, who made the pick for the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, picked Patrick's or Tan because he thinks that
Speaker 1: would be the selection. But Rob, if there is that,
Speaker 1: if Pinney soool is that high on the board and
Speaker 1: there is that player up there, could you go trade
Speaker 1: with somebody like Cincinnati or like Atlanta maybe to go
Speaker 1: and try and make that pick or what did you
Speaker 1: rather do that? For a generational type of talent like
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, Me and Hecker on the same board here,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is gonna go four to Atlanta and we
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about it anymore. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't wait for that. That's where we went in the
Speaker 1: mock draft as well. Yeah, I mean I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna make that move. I think they're in a perfect
Speaker 1: spot of just sit and wait and see what happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think tackle even though it is
Speaker 1: a need long term. I don't view tackle as they
Speaker 1: gotta go up to get one. If they were more
Speaker 1: concerned about Tyrn Smith than Lyle Collins, fine, but I
Speaker 1: think right now they can sit there and wait and see.
Speaker 1: Maybe the first defensive player off the board comes to
Speaker 1: them at ten. It's possible that it's that it's all
Speaker 1: offense one through nine, and even if one of the
Speaker 1: top two corners goes it, say eight, they could still
Speaker 1: have their pick there. If both are still there, maybe
Speaker 1: you trade back, which you know, and still get a
Speaker 1: guy that you really like. If they have kind of
Speaker 1: a cluster of guys they really like. I think trade
Speaker 1: back is probably the most logical possibility. And you're gonna
Speaker 1: have so many offers on draft day for that ten
Speaker 1: spot because things are gonna fall not I mean even
Speaker 1: all the mock drafts and everyone has someone different one
Speaker 1: through ten. Sure, but if some one of these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that say a New England wants or if someone wants
Speaker 1: to come up and get a future quarterback, we're in
Speaker 1: a prime position to give that up and get extra
Speaker 1: picks in this draft. Maybe you know, get you another
Speaker 1: get you another number one pick, get two number ones
Speaker 1: and How angry would you be though? In Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: how angry would you be if you trade it out
Speaker 1: of the top ten? I wouldn't be. It depends on
Speaker 1: who's there where you trade back. How far would you
Speaker 1: trade back? Yeah? How far you trading back? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to ask the question. Yeah, I mean it would
Speaker 1: probably most likely. How often do you have a top
Speaker 1: ten pick? Not a lot, not often, not often. I
Speaker 1: mean Zeke and was Mo top ten? Yeah, he was traded.
Speaker 1: They traded up to six. So yeah, it's only blaying
Speaker 1: a couple of times this last fifteen years. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: most likely trade back partners would be the Chargers at thirteen,
Speaker 1: Patriots at fifteen, maybe the Raiders at seventeen if they
Speaker 1: want to do something crazy, Washington at nineteen, and then
Speaker 1: Chicago at twenty. You're probably not gonna do Washington because
Speaker 1: you don't want to give them their franchise quarterback because
Speaker 1: that's what they would trade up for, and Gruten's not
Speaker 1: trading out of that position. Yeah, you would probably think
Speaker 1: somebody there. He ended up taking jam And Davis, the
Speaker 1: linebacker out of Kentucky, with that pick in our mock
Speaker 1: draft earlier at thirteen at seventeen seventeen okay, still very high,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but seventeen was where he ended up making
Speaker 1: that pick. But there were a player just some of
Speaker 1: the names that went after Jalen Waddle, Elijah Veritucker, Christian Derrisau,
Speaker 1: Davante Sman, Jasey Horne, jam and Davis Quitti Pay, Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Usu Cormoa, and Rashod Bateman. Those were ten through twenty
Speaker 1: in our picks. There's a lot of good players that
Speaker 1: Phil needs there. But it doesn't make you more comfortable
Speaker 1: moving back only if only if they don't care you
Speaker 1: know who they get at that point, if they if
Speaker 1: they've got like a list of five guys that they're like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. We love all these guys. If we
Speaker 1: dropped I saw one mock draft where you know which,
Speaker 1: where's the New England pick in fifteen, then they pick
Speaker 1: up New England second round pick, which is like number
Speaker 1: forty six or something like that there is and then okay,
Speaker 1: you dropped five spots and hey, they're still a great
Speaker 1: defensive player. We're very confident they're still gonna be somebody there.
Speaker 1: That's that's where I would feel comfortable going down to
Speaker 1: like twenty or something. I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because then you're missing out on it's too big of
Speaker 1: a gap. Yeah, I mean usually usually you have twenty
Speaker 1: first round grades on on guys or less, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to drop back too much. But a extra
Speaker 1: they do have extra EMO, they have an extra third
Speaker 1: round pick. They haven't won multiple fourth round picks, so
Speaker 1: it's not like they're having to trade up and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they don't even have a set
Speaker 1: around pick. They've got a lot of picks in this draft.
Speaker 1: I think if you trade to fifteen, and here's the
Speaker 1: full screen of what the picks were ten through twenty
Speaker 1: on the board. But if we trade back to fifteen
Speaker 1: and you go to where the Patriots were at least
Speaker 1: in the mock draft that we had earlier this morning,
Speaker 1: there's a chance this is the top nine picks you
Speaker 1: got them trade up to seven. There you go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Patriots did trade up to seven. But if that, if
Speaker 1: that trade didn't happen with Detroit and they're picking at
Speaker 1: fifteen and they wanted to come up and get a
Speaker 1: quarterback at ten, guess who's there that was picked at
Speaker 1: sixteen by Arizona Jase Horne, and if he may be
Speaker 1: your top corner, right, why not have that conversation with
Speaker 1: New England. Why not say, Okay, we have both Certana
Speaker 1: and Horn here. We like both of these guys. Let's
Speaker 1: drop back because New York Philadelphia very unlikely to pick
Speaker 1: a corner. Same thing with Los Angeles. Minnesota picked two
Speaker 1: in last year's draft, with Jeff Gladney and kid out
Speaker 1: of Mississippi State. I'm forgetting his name right now, but
Speaker 1: both of those guys were picked in last year's draft.
Speaker 1: You could get a corner at fifteen depending on where
Speaker 1: you ended up selecting. Now we have this conversation last
Speaker 1: show about guys playing, you know, being just solid man
Speaker 1: to man cover corners and coming into a zone system
Speaker 1: and finding a system that meets matches what they do.
Speaker 1: Jac Horne is a guy that is South Carolina played
Speaker 1: in a predominantly man system. Not to say that we
Speaker 1: won't play man on the outside, because we will, okay,
Speaker 1: but does he fit what we need right now? Jac
Speaker 1: Horne phenomenal player. I'm just saying when we talk, look
Speaker 1: at the defense and see all of the different things
Speaker 1: that we need. J. C. Horne and we're gonna double
Speaker 1: dip because I still believe we're going to continue to
Speaker 1: look for safety other corners and guys that are twinters
Speaker 1: are hybrid guys at that position. But why not look
Speaker 1: at moving back If you're gonna do that to say,
Speaker 1: get an edge rusher, why not get an edge? Why
Speaker 1: not get moved back into if you would have the
Speaker 1: top edge on your board. That's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then say at forty four or five wherever New England's
Speaker 1: if you pull off a trade like that and then
Speaker 1: go back and again get a one tech. These are
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what we need to fill out
Speaker 1: this defense to make it better. Because you're looking at
Speaker 1: the defense that and just say, the month of October
Speaker 1: gave up one hundred and forty nine points in October.
Speaker 1: That's it, one hundred forty nine. So wait a second. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: a corner is in that the month of October would
Speaker 1: have stopped some of that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the building blocks to put this defense together, that's where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to look. And I know Cowboy Nation
Speaker 1: and Twitter and everybody, they have their guys that they want.
Speaker 1: But come on, let's just think logically about this. How
Speaker 1: you build a defense and where our needs are. Where
Speaker 1: was Parsons in your mock draft nine? He went before
Speaker 1: the Cowboys heart Broncos picked him at nine. Bucky Brooks
Speaker 1: was on that made that selection, which I thought was
Speaker 1: interesting because before the draft process last season, before he
Speaker 1: opted out, he was a top five player on the
Speaker 1: board before the quarterbacks came into the came into the
Speaker 1: play before these quarterbacks, and by the way, five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: went in the top ten. Here's another look at the
Speaker 1: top nine pair to the Cowboys, but there you see
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons at the bottom. He was a top five player.
Speaker 1: Off the field concerns they opt out, maybe some of
Speaker 1: the discipline all kind of started coming into play. But
Speaker 1: that's all media thought. I mean, we don't know how
Speaker 1: the scouts still feel about Michael Parsons. They still might
Speaker 1: be very, very high, and it may not be in
Speaker 1: Cowboys Land, but it might be elsewhere. Maybe Denver does
Speaker 1: need a linebacker and they want to go and get
Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Parsons who would play in that
Speaker 1: system and fit in that system really really well. Is
Speaker 1: there any chance that Trevor Lawrence doesn't go number one.
Speaker 1: Not a chance that I would say nine off right,
Speaker 1: it would, Yeah, I mean because the Jets and the forty,
Speaker 1: they don't care. They'll just take whatever. Ye take whatever
Speaker 1: he falls, Yeah, just take a qview. Chances might set
Speaker 1: Cleveland on fire like Jets fans may just start rioting
Speaker 1: in the streets if Trevor Lawrence somehow was to pick
Speaker 1: it too and Jacksonville went with Justin Fields, And that
Speaker 1: would be the funny thing about it is urban Meyer
Speaker 1: goes and gets this guy who he recruited to Ohio
Speaker 1: State in Justin Fields, and Justin Fields has been the
Speaker 1: one guy that nobody has talked about in this draft process.
Speaker 1: That would just that would be a mind boggling moment.
Speaker 1: Let's our first break here on our in person edition
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Speaker 1: we're gonna hit a mailbag Monday. Could the Cowboys maybe
Speaker 1: draft a couple of corners in the first two rounds?
Speaker 1: Maybe one of those that was a top five corner
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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back as I'm Kyle Yeoman's and
Speaker 1: just wait for the bows. Read there's something immense. I
Speaker 1: have nothing. I have nothing for that. You should have something.
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Speaker 1: I don't. It's okay. I can't pull it off like Isai.
Speaker 1: That's fair. I could you there? Uh. Cowboys Mailbag Monday.
Speaker 1: This is a new segment we've done throughout the off
Speaker 1: season so far about taking a mailback question that you
Speaker 1: could go read on Dallas Cowboys dot com. This one
Speaker 1: specifically was this past week and it was answered by
Speaker 1: Dave and Johnny and they had great answers for this.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear y'all's thoughts. And this has
Speaker 1: to do with Patrick du Tan if he is the
Speaker 1: number ten pick in the NFL Draft with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: which at least at this moment, seems like little the
Speaker 1: likely choice. It shouldn't happen. But if Caleb Farley, the
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech corner, drops down to number forty four due
Speaker 1: to his injury concerns, but he's still rated in the
Speaker 1: top twenty by the Cowboys, do you think they would
Speaker 1: draft him as well? Or would they pass on him
Speaker 1: since they've already drafted Sir Tan in the first round.
Speaker 1: You're shaking your head them. You would do it anyway,
Speaker 1: grab them. If you've already made that commitment at that position,
Speaker 1: you might as well go all in. You might as
Speaker 1: well go all in if you're not gonna go get
Speaker 1: my guy Parsons, and you might as well go ahead
Speaker 1: and get curs In right and get you get him,
Speaker 1: and then if you have another opportunity to get another
Speaker 1: corner that you believe in but simply just have some
Speaker 1: health concerns, well, you have the best training staff in
Speaker 1: the league over here, so if they'll check them out,
Speaker 1: and if they feel like he's ready, he's ready to rumble,
Speaker 1: then go grab him. Then you have two you have
Speaker 1: three young corners. You have three young corners at that point, right,
Speaker 1: It gets me really excited. But but but you still
Speaker 1: have issues with the run, Yes, you do. Sure, So
Speaker 1: if you don't fix that there, if you don't fix
Speaker 1: that on the back end, doesn't matter. You can't. I
Speaker 1: can't heccet that too. Yeah, if you can't get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback and if you can't stop the run, you
Speaker 1: still have the same issues no matter how competitive you
Speaker 1: are on the outside. Because I don't want to take
Speaker 1: this away from the corners in the league. Corners are
Speaker 1: amazing in the league. However, we all know it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how good of a corner you are. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you're Daryl Reeves Island. If that quarterback has
Speaker 1: five secons to throw the ball, somebody's smoking. Yeah, somebody's
Speaker 1: getting open. So that's why I don't lead with corner now.
Speaker 1: But if you already made a commitment, then you might
Speaker 1: as well go ahead and round it out and solidify
Speaker 1: your solidify it for your future. Oh God, but though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Caleb Farley to me pre draft,
Speaker 1: and I guess all the writers and before we realize
Speaker 1: that he had the back injury, he was right up
Speaker 1: there with I mean, everyone was talking about him and
Speaker 1: Patrick certain in the same sentence. And now with the
Speaker 1: back injury, he's the back operations. He's an afterthought in
Speaker 1: this process. And then you know you talk about doubling
Speaker 1: down with him and Patrick certain. I mean, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what we have on the team already, right, So
Speaker 1: we have Trey Von Diggs, We've already signed Lewis, we
Speaker 1: have a b what you know, Look, we're getting young.
Speaker 1: I guess I understand you bring in more talent than
Speaker 1: these guys. Are definitely talented guys. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: double dip in anything, it's gonna be interior line, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be edge rusher, it's gonna be line back. Are
Speaker 1: you confident in Jordan Lewis and Antony or excuse me,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown almost said Antonio Brown and Treyvon Dix and
Speaker 1: Treyvon Dis I mean Diggs. I feel like we're all
Speaker 1: pretty confident in, right, But are you? Is it those
Speaker 1: other two? Do they give you any kind of hesitation whatsoever? No?
Speaker 1: And I think you're not. You're not giving credence to
Speaker 1: what dan Quinn is gonna do with those guys in
Speaker 1: this systems the case. No, you have the same hope
Speaker 1: you had to. That's what I was just about to say.
Speaker 1: You have the same hope with Mike Nolan. So you
Speaker 1: have to put it on the defensive coordinators and staff
Speaker 1: to make these guys that you've signed to these contracts better.
Speaker 1: You realize, like just what you just said, Isaiah, let's
Speaker 1: double dip. If you do that, we're gonna go all
Speaker 1: in on it. But you know what fixes this defense
Speaker 1: and this one techniques and three techniques and linebackers. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you on never regard. I'm just talking
Speaker 1: about what you have opportunity to get a dominant player
Speaker 1: at another position aside from corner in terms of addressing
Speaker 1: your interior linement or your second level linebacker. If you
Speaker 1: choose to pass on that opportunity, then you missed your
Speaker 1: big opportunity, right, So you might at least get lead
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be starters in the second round. I
Speaker 1: mean we knew that already at corner, at linebacker, at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, it could be anywhere you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: starter in the second round. Yeah, I agree. I think
Speaker 1: you can find it's easier to find competitive defensive alignment
Speaker 1: than I think it is to find impact corners. See,
Speaker 1: but I think that's the thing that makes Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: an intriguing case at forty four is because he could
Speaker 1: be an impact corner if if you were a select
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, but that's that's the message that would
Speaker 1: be sent by the Cowboys training staff if they selected
Speaker 1: him with that pick. That means one, they've seen it
Speaker 1: and they feel really good about how the back's gonna
Speaker 1: heal up. But just the things you hear is just
Speaker 1: league wide. The biggest challenge right now pre draft is
Speaker 1: the medical stuff because because you're just I mean, they
Speaker 1: did one hundred and fifty medical reachecks and he was
Speaker 1: one of us. He was one of them. Drew Rosenhals's agent,
Speaker 1: of course, came out and said, yeah, he's good. He's
Speaker 1: first round and you know what, he very well might.
Speaker 1: And Isaiah made a great point, like the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: so much trust in their medical staff, they're athletic training
Speaker 1: staff that this is they have a pattern of this
Speaker 1: in the second round. I mean, Jalen Smith, you can
Speaker 1: go back to Sean Lee, we just talked about him.
Speaker 1: Vanderesh that's a first round pick, first round, but premium
Speaker 1: pack Bruce Carter in the second round few years ago.
Speaker 1: They are not afraid to find value and take a
Speaker 1: guy that should have been a first round pick in
Speaker 1: the second round. Now it depends on their evaluation of
Speaker 1: the medical and whether he would be there. But I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if he's really highly rated on their board, yeah take
Speaker 1: you know, just get get your best value off of
Speaker 1: no matter what you do in the first And this
Speaker 1: draft is so crazy crazy, it is crazy and in
Speaker 1: years past and just knowing where guys are gonna fall
Speaker 1: based off of their performance in college, the opt out scene,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that are gonna end up following
Speaker 1: because they opted out. They're gonna be some teams that
Speaker 1: are gonna get some dogs that should have been in
Speaker 1: that top fifty that are gonna fall out of you know,
Speaker 1: top one hundred, just based off of evaluation because you
Speaker 1: hadn't seen this guy in the year. And you're seeing
Speaker 1: that at the top of this draft right now with
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna take five quarterbacks. These are like one
Speaker 1: and done guys. The only guy that has a resume
Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence. Ye, the only guy that has a
Speaker 1: resume out of those five that you can say, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he the guy that you've seen in those big game moments.
Speaker 1: Do it. Mac Jones I mean, come on, dude, he
Speaker 1: was played by Alabama. It was yeah somewhere you know,
Speaker 1: guys are just spending just saying, how is Mac Jones
Speaker 1: gonna go to San Francisco? And I don't believe that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But still even with the guy from North Dakota,
Speaker 1: even with Justin Fields, I just don't feel like they've
Speaker 1: put it on tape. Yeah, and I think you're right,
Speaker 1: and it comes to me. Pat Mahomes is the reason
Speaker 1: why I think everybody looks around and says, if we
Speaker 1: don't have an elite quarterback, then we don't have a chance.
Speaker 1: And see the exception or the rules. But if you
Speaker 1: can't match what he's doing on the field, you know,
Speaker 1: and even Tom Brady at this stage, you can still
Speaker 1: get it done. It's a quarterbacks league, so you're I mean,
Speaker 1: it just shows you how important that position is. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys think they have that guy so they don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about it, but don't. Yeah, yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: they're right. But you mentioned the opt out tech man.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because we just like we don't
Speaker 1: know how the scouts are feeling on specific prospects. How
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the first segment. We also don't know
Speaker 1: how front offices are going to weigh the opt outs,
Speaker 1: because when it comes to Jamar Chase, Rashad Bateman, players
Speaker 1: like that at the wide receiver position. I mean, you
Speaker 1: want to go to offensive tackle Pena Seul, Rashaan Slater,
Speaker 1: Quinn Miners out of Wisconsin, Whitewater at the guard spot.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many of these guys that were
Speaker 1: opt outs. Michael Parsons one of those. How are we
Speaker 1: going to weigh that as a front office and across
Speaker 1: the league, because some are going to weigh it higher
Speaker 1: than others. But you could see Penna Sul fall because
Speaker 1: heven an opt out. You could see Rashawn's later fall
Speaker 1: because he's an opt out. Michael Parsons. Indeed, if he
Speaker 1: played last year, I'm sure he'd probably be still in
Speaker 1: a conversation at least with the top ten pick. But they're,
Speaker 1: like Heckma said, there are going to be opt outs
Speaker 1: that fall further than others, just based off of the
Speaker 1: fact that the value is kind of an intriguing one
Speaker 1: For these front offices. I think those are more like
Speaker 1: second round guys and below. I would say it our
Speaker 1: front enter fall I don't see any first round guys
Speaker 1: really falling simply because of that. I think guys, the
Speaker 1: scouts pretty much they know who those guys are. And
Speaker 1: you started looking at some of the talent that's one
Speaker 1: step maybe unberneath them. That's when you start saying, oh,
Speaker 1: if they would have played, maybe they would have been higher,
Speaker 1: right or you know, we don't really know because we
Speaker 1: don't have any film, but those when you started talking
Speaker 1: about top twenty top twenty picks, you know what you're getting.
Speaker 1: You know what you getting. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna have any effect over those guys. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you hold it against somebody for
Speaker 1: opting out over the situation that we had a huge
Speaker 1: YEW months ago. I mean, it wasn't to me. That's
Speaker 1: not a character issue, you know. You just I don't
Speaker 1: want to play this year. We didn't know what the
Speaker 1: hell was going on with the virus back in July August,
Speaker 1: and guys made a decision to protect their safety. So
Speaker 1: I don't blame anybody from them that. Yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: it's just the evaluation process has changed this year, from
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl to the to Indianapolis and guys running
Speaker 1: the Pro day, everybody ran a four four four three,
Speaker 1: But you didn't have that guy from the Steelers and
Speaker 1: the action track telling I come back. They were giving
Speaker 1: out some pretty good numbers on everybody. I just look,
Speaker 1: I just feel like in those later rounds, teams are
Speaker 1: gonna miss because they hadn't had a fairy valuation of guys.
Speaker 1: Are they going to pass on a guy that it
Speaker 1: had he played or not opted out, he would have
Speaker 1: been on everybody's list. It's something to look forward to.
Speaker 1: And of course Kayla Farley is one of those opt outs.
Speaker 1: And Michael Anderson was the one who asked the question
Speaker 1: on the mail back Monday. By the way, I forgot
Speaker 1: to throw his name out there, But so yes or no?
Speaker 1: Would you double dip if the medical they feel good
Speaker 1: about it and it is back like Isaiah said, which
Speaker 1: I mean, is this somebody with a back issue that
Speaker 1: doesn't get better over time and a lot of instances yavity.
Speaker 1: But he's young, he's twenty two, Then yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: good about it. I think he has had other injuries,
Speaker 1: He's had an acl terror, he's had back issues. So
Speaker 1: you know, it comes down to how comfortable they are
Speaker 1: they've done it in the past. I wouldn't wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me did it again. It also wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 1: he goes late first round because he is such a
Speaker 1: talented prospect. Isaiah, Yes or no. I don't like backs. No,
Speaker 1: I don't like backs. I mean backs, they only take
Speaker 1: one bad little move to tweak, you know, especially in
Speaker 1: a position where you move so much somebody transverse rotational movements.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like backs, So I hate that
Speaker 1: transverse rotational movement. It sounds like a trainer he is. No, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not doing it. Yeah, not double dipping
Speaker 1: so well, because you're you're also assuming they take a
Speaker 1: corner first round. You're addressing one position with your top
Speaker 1: two picks, and you can instead of addressing something else,
Speaker 1: like in your defensive line, like linebacker, like something. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that leads me into my next question is what would
Speaker 1: be the first position that you think would be double
Speaker 1: DipEd on if you if you if you were in
Speaker 1: the spot of the cowboys. Not based off of what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will do, but do you think there's a
Speaker 1: specific spot that you would double dip on more so
Speaker 1: than others Whenever this draft comes around. Uh, well those
Speaker 1: two depending on what your board tells you. It's a
Speaker 1: corner and linebacker. Well, linebacker D defensive tackle D D
Speaker 1: N You know, I know Carlos Basham has been mocked
Speaker 1: a lot to the Cowboys at forty few in our
Speaker 1: first round, did they? Yeah? I mean offensive tackle too.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty deep tackle class even. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the top guys, you know, in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen or so, but there's guys a lot of
Speaker 1: tackles with first second round grades that you see. So
Speaker 1: I would any of those positions really? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I'm double dipping in that corner. I'm double
Speaker 1: depending the corner. I think that you can find some
Speaker 1: some defensive linement and some linebackers that are still a
Speaker 1: free agents right now. You're so hard to read, man,
Speaker 1: I just don't think. What is that going on? I'm saying,
Speaker 1: are you guys are asking a question about double dipping?
Speaker 1: So you're saying, so elite talent, you would pick a
Speaker 1: linebacker or the tackle, absolutely, but with the depth that
Speaker 1: you need at the corner spot. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: If you don't, if you if you say, for instance,
Speaker 1: like like, like I said, if you have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to grab that linebacker parsons, grab them. Yeah, right, But
Speaker 1: if you choose not to, if you choose not to,
Speaker 1: then get certain or whoever else you want in that position,
Speaker 1: and then get another one somewhere else. Might as well
Speaker 1: just keep building on it. You might as well build
Speaker 1: on it r because you're already there. You've already committed there,
Speaker 1: so you might as well go ahead and solidify that
Speaker 1: so you can say, hey, I'm done with that. What
Speaker 1: I don't like it again, maybe that's why I'm not
Speaker 1: a gem. But what I don't like is having one
Speaker 1: guy over there, one guy over there. I'd rather say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this position is good, right, I'd rather just put that aside.
Speaker 1: We're good. We don't have to look at that no more. Now,
Speaker 1: let's address this, right. I like to be able to
Speaker 1: put my eyes on one particular thing. And I get
Speaker 1: that you can start helping at certain areas. But I'm
Speaker 1: much rather if you're gonna say, if say, you know,
Speaker 1: we take a corner with number ten. If that happens,
Speaker 1: you have to grab another corner. You have to grab
Speaker 1: another corner, and now you put that away now you
Speaker 1: can say, okay, I have my corners situated, I have
Speaker 1: my safety someone situation. Maybe I get another young safety. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I can focus my attention on my front seven
Speaker 1: and you can focus all your attention on that instead
Speaker 1: of trying to put you know you, let me take
Speaker 1: you that one right there, kids, down right there. You're
Speaker 1: still gonna have gaps. Rather, I'd rather have gaps in
Speaker 1: one position than have multiple, you know, little seeping gaps
Speaker 1: in multiple positions. You gotta feel like this explanation just
Speaker 1: proves the point to draft a corner at ten. I
Speaker 1: mean everything. You could clip everything you just said, and
Speaker 1: it would be the perfect reason on the Patrick if
Speaker 1: we don't take ours, if we don't take our off
Speaker 1: season acquisitions into consideration. The reason why I say grab
Speaker 1: a linebacker at ten and grab Parsons at ten, not
Speaker 1: just a linebacker, grab Parsons at tens, is because with
Speaker 1: with the other offseason moves that we've already made, you
Speaker 1: can make a good case for it. That's a solid
Speaker 1: front seven with Neil with with guys coming off of
Speaker 1: coming off an injury, right and some young with Gallimore
Speaker 1: and all those guys that got they got their young
Speaker 1: rips reps already. We have competitive guys that we know
Speaker 1: on on the end. We got d Low, we got Gregory,
Speaker 1: we got some some guys that have some gold juice.
Speaker 1: I feel good about that front seven. You're not alone
Speaker 1: on this staff. Heck, you kind of feel that way.
Speaker 1: Nick Eaton feels that way. Mickey spack Nolan feels that way.
Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards corner, but you can talk me into
Speaker 1: any defensive position. If they tell me this guy is
Speaker 1: our best, he's gonna make an impact right away. I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. But I said that last week, like
Speaker 1: you draft a corner, you have to pay huge contract,
Speaker 1: second contract to a corner. If you hit on a
Speaker 1: corner in the first round, you're gonna have five year deal,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, you have that under contract. If it's
Speaker 1: a pull Bowl type player, I'm thinking more of there's
Speaker 1: your windows for five years right now. But there's no corner.
Speaker 1: There's no corner, name a corner in this league that
Speaker 1: could shut down a number one receiver in this league,
Speaker 1: not one, not one Ramsey. Ramsey's not even shutting down
Speaker 1: a risk the number one receiver. I mean what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like you put a who you put a Julio on Ramsey,
Speaker 1: Julio is gonna win. He didn't eliminate one side of
Speaker 1: the field. He doesn't shut down one side of the field.
Speaker 1: So that's where I started talking about if if you
Speaker 1: don't have somebody that could shut down one side of
Speaker 1: the field, then you're really just kind of putting the
Speaker 1: guy there that can make plays every so often. The closest,
Speaker 1: the closest thing to having a guy that could shut
Speaker 1: down a third of the field would be Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: And you had that here and you didn't value it.
Speaker 1: And now I feel like, so, how do you feel
Speaker 1: like you're gonna You're gonna value that now with Patrick
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I think you you
Speaker 1: would have to pay the price at that you you
Speaker 1: let Byron Jones walk, Which if you right now on
Speaker 1: this team this very situation, would you rather have Byron
Speaker 1: Jones or Amari Cooper I'd rather have in a passing league,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a Marii Cooper. Yeah, with the players
Speaker 1: you have around, yes, absolutely, you can out scheme a defense.
Speaker 1: You just can. You can outschem a defense if you
Speaker 1: have a great offensive coordinator and you say, hey, this guy,
Speaker 1: heck was a heck of a corner. Guess what motion
Speaker 1: I'm motioning across the field now, Heck, we can't guard
Speaker 1: me now, right, So most teams have at least at
Speaker 1: least a two hitted monster receiver, at least a two
Speaker 1: headed monster. I don't think there's one team in this
Speaker 1: league that doesn't have a two headed monsters in the league.
Speaker 1: So you would still have that with gallop and lamb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's no defense
Speaker 1: that you're gonna face that you said, oh man, we
Speaker 1: can't throw the ball. There's not one. There's not one
Speaker 1: defense in this league. Or you can't say I can't
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Now, there are defenses in this league
Speaker 1: where you say, we might not have that much time
Speaker 1: to throw the ball, or we gotta get the ball
Speaker 1: out quicker, or guess what, our offensive line can't really
Speaker 1: hold up against these guys. There's a lot there's there's
Speaker 1: teams like that. Yeah, but there's no teams where you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't throw the ball. So with
Speaker 1: that said, there's a cornerback is not dominant enough of
Speaker 1: a player in this league. Right to go out there
Speaker 1: and grabbing at number ten. That's for me. And Byron
Speaker 1: Jones wasn't that dominant of cornerback for you? He was.
Speaker 1: He was an actute and I'll go with that. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, based off of our experience it with
Speaker 1: cornerback corner in the league. But there's other guys I
Speaker 1: can throw too, say, don't say. That's the same reason
Speaker 1: why I made the case for the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: picking up pits, because it's like, you pick your poison.
Speaker 1: If you want to stick him cool, I'm going over here.
Speaker 1: You can't stop me, right, So if you can't stop
Speaker 1: me at that receiver position, you almost I don't want
Speaker 1: to say you wasted a pick, but your guy can't
Speaker 1: affect my ability to move the ball. It is the
Speaker 1: it is. It shows you it's a team game. And
Speaker 1: so the perception of a shutdown corner depends on who
Speaker 1: you're playing, who's playing in front of you. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you know, if if Ramsey, I mean he plays
Speaker 1: on a good defense in LA, if he plays in Washington,
Speaker 1: shut down corner because because the guy's right, you know,
Speaker 1: it makes his job so much easier. But Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: what he he does, ramsay everything exactly, everything exactly. So
Speaker 1: who did he have in Jacksonville? Whenever he was being
Speaker 1: really Campbell and what's his name? I can't get guys,
Speaker 1: Saxonville was seven? Come on, come thing? We got something else?
Speaker 1: Front seven, quarterback side from our quarterback. The front seven
Speaker 1: is the most dominant grouping on the field and we
Speaker 1: do not have that, not in Dallas almost you can.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's another can I love that you just
Speaker 1: crossed that up. What makes you think one player is
Speaker 1: going to change this. It's not gonna be just one
Speaker 1: one player at any spot, doesn't Just like Isaiah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it. You're all we're set, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this draft or this offseason can
Speaker 1: totally do that. It might take two years to do it,
Speaker 1: but you can start, you know. And that's just by
Speaker 1: taking the best guys you think can help you. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can debate on which positions help you more,
Speaker 1: and I do lean to you guys with the front seven,
Speaker 1: but the value seems to be with the cornerback position
Speaker 1: in the top ten. And maybe that's you know, maybe
Speaker 1: if you had a dominant edge rusher. And if you
Speaker 1: had somebody that I was not worried about off the
Speaker 1: field coming into this draft, I would throw him into
Speaker 1: that kneed Parsons. Parsons. Yeah, but if you're telling me,
Speaker 1: ranking on my board, Parsons is not as high as
Speaker 1: JC Horne or patrickshr ten. Okay, I mean, and that's
Speaker 1: just kind of how I feel. Maybe I'm just different.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to I'm not grabbing an edge
Speaker 1: rusher at top ten and I'm just not I could
Speaker 1: scheme to him, I can scheme. That's what you would
Speaker 1: do with the Russens, though, is he would run downhill
Speaker 1: for you? No? No, no, no, But but but I imagine
Speaker 1: if you had those three guys at that level. You
Speaker 1: have those three guys at that level, who are you
Speaker 1: going at? Who are you going at? You can't scheme linebackers.
Speaker 1: You could scheme defensive ends, you could scheme corners. You
Speaker 1: can't scheme linebackers because they're free floating as long as
Speaker 1: you put guys in front of them that don't allow
Speaker 1: those officers a line. We get up to the second level,
Speaker 1: you can't stop a linebacker. That was the problem last year.
Speaker 1: You think about a guy like Ray Lewis. That was
Speaker 1: a Titan. That's a giant on the field. Paul, he
Speaker 1: had dudes in front Sam Adams, but think about the
Speaker 1: years when he didn't have those guys all up on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the difference in what we're talking about
Speaker 1: with building a team and getting better at that level.
Speaker 1: But I just look at guys that are playing right now,
Speaker 1: like Zadarius Smith from Green Bay. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that they move all over the field. So if you
Speaker 1: want to scheme up for him in one position, he
Speaker 1: gets a stand up linebacker, he can go down to
Speaker 1: the three to five. He could do it all. And
Speaker 1: you have players like this in the draft. You got
Speaker 1: a playmaker, you gotta have him. You don't pass on
Speaker 1: that and put Patrick Sutan on one side of the field. Yeah. Still,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about some of our opponents this year. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about some of our opponents this year. There's not
Speaker 1: when Kenna, we play Kansas City, we play n Z.
Speaker 1: I promise you track me great track meet, Sure, how
Speaker 1: do you stop that? You get homes? How Tampa beat them?
Speaker 1: You get you get home? But you face you face
Speaker 1: a team like that right racetrack, how do you beat them,
Speaker 1: you get home. What if they have an amazing running game,
Speaker 1: how do you beat them? Shut them down? Stuff? And
Speaker 1: where it is worst the common denominated with both of
Speaker 1: those sequences up front, Thank you very much. You could
Speaker 1: argue that the reason that Tampa Bay got to Kansas
Speaker 1: City though, in the first place, was because both of
Speaker 1: their tackles were out. And we know but just like that, yes,
Speaker 1: very much like both of those starting tackles that the're
Speaker 1: gonna be a problem though that was still going to
Speaker 1: be a problem for them. That was going to be
Speaker 1: an issue. So name one defense in this league where
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't think we could throw the ball
Speaker 1: against them. Boom crickets um. But yeah, but you but
Speaker 1: you gotta have you gotta feel good. You gotta have
Speaker 1: competitive guys. Yeah, you gotta have competitive guys. That's what
Speaker 1: you have to have, because there's not bum that. We
Speaker 1: don't have bums in this league at cornerback position. No,
Speaker 1: but what you're asking your guys to do, just like
Speaker 1: he just like we, just like Quinn didn't Seattle come
Speaker 1: up here. I need you to be competitive. If Heckam
Speaker 1: was lining up against you, I need you to come
Speaker 1: up and put your hands in his dog on chest
Speaker 1: and make a hard him to get off the ball
Speaker 1: right and guess what you do that long enough you
Speaker 1: stopped him for half a second. That's what we need
Speaker 1: because our guys are gonna get home. We're more dominant
Speaker 1: up fry. I just I understand what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I get the persuasion that is happening here. But that
Speaker 1: isn't that just like the fundamentals of football is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could get to the quarterback, it's not just
Speaker 1: a fundament it's going to be conventional wisdom. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's it's proven. The test of time is show.
Speaker 1: That's how you need it. If you're telling me right
Speaker 1: now that if you're gonna spend a pick on an
Speaker 1: edge rusher or a defensive tackle in the first round
Speaker 1: and try and get somebody there, and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons as an edge rusher there, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about that's gonna make your front seven that much better
Speaker 1: over Randy Gregory, DeMarcus Lawrence, Tristan Hill, Neville Gallimore. Those
Speaker 1: are four guys. I feel pretty good about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel decent about those four guys. And somebody behind them.
Speaker 1: That couldn't think other people don't think that could. I
Speaker 1: don't think that would make that big of a difference though,
Speaker 1: I really don't. Five three, Okay, you can get that
Speaker 1: guy off the street. You're a big guy. You cannot
Speaker 1: get that off the street. Kyle, that Kyle off the field.
Speaker 1: Does he love football? There's a lot of things. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves football. His job. Have you watched a lot
Speaker 1: of his tape and coverage he can't cover, can't can't, cannot,
Speaker 1: cannot cover. Well, no, I don't there's a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't believe. I don't believe that that is something that
Speaker 1: you could just that's a staple for Michael Parsons. It's
Speaker 1: the staple he can run downhill. You're just getting a
Speaker 1: healthy version of tris or excuse me, of Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: That's what you would draft with Michael Parsons. You're getting
Speaker 1: a health out like that of Jalen Smith. I like that.
Speaker 1: But let's go back to last season. Lamar Jackson on
Speaker 1: the h OV lane drag racing on us had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with our cornerback play and had everything to
Speaker 1: do with what we wop in the run because you
Speaker 1: had Dantari Poe upfront and or I guess Poe was
Speaker 1: gone by that the only reason why. But but I'm
Speaker 1: saying good there still not good. It does come down
Speaker 1: to though, if you don't draft a corner high, then
Speaker 1: are you comfortable with what they got and maybe with
Speaker 1: a veteran addition in May and you can can you
Speaker 1: roll with it? I think you still grab yourself a
Speaker 1: corner or two in the draft. It just doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be a ten. To be ten is you're to
Speaker 1: be ten? You grabbed one or two corners. Say you
Speaker 1: grab one corner and you Queenn picks up the phone
Speaker 1: and says, Sherman, get your butt here. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because otherwise, if you wait, you're drafting Reggie
Speaker 1: Robinson type. And you know, in the fourth round, I thought,
Speaker 1: we love Reggie Robinson. I'm not getting enough Regie. But
Speaker 1: you can't count on in the we're pegging a round hole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can't count on a player in the fourth
Speaker 1: round to come in and start for you. So you
Speaker 1: gotta do something after the draft if you're not a
Speaker 1: dressing this No, I agree. Let's take our second break
Speaker 1: when we come back our final predictions and a little
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Speaker 1: Not in defence. That happened. That's gonna go here for us?
Speaker 1: I'm talking to so good Finally that was that was good?
Speaker 1: Well done, my friend, good job, he brought it. He
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Speaker 1: those all right. Final predictions for the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. I feel like we have just done everything
Speaker 1: but throw hands in this studio. What's gonna happen? It
Speaker 1: will at some point, But Michael Parsons is on one side.
Speaker 1: But what do you think the Cowboys will do? We
Speaker 1: talked about what we will do. What do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will do? Robb will start with you first dip,
Speaker 1: first position to double dip on. What do you think
Speaker 1: will happen? I think, though, I predict they sit and
Speaker 1: pick it ten and let all the offensive guys go
Speaker 1: and take the best guy defensively on their board, I'll
Speaker 1: go Sirtain. I don't know their board, but I think Sirtain. Well,
Speaker 1: I asked, I asked the first position to double dip.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do ten first. Oh, I'm so
Speaker 1: want to do it in a minute. I'm sorry, it's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm distracted by Sean Lee breaking. Yeah, ok yeah,
Speaker 1: Shan Lee. That's a that's a good excuse. First position
Speaker 1: to double, first position to double dip. About linebacker, Mmm,
Speaker 1: how about get you a linebacker that I mean you
Speaker 1: talk about consecutive rounds or just just in general. I
Speaker 1: think maybe you take a linebacker in the first three rounds.
Speaker 1: I mean, you come back in the mid rounds for
Speaker 1: somebody that can help you play special teams and maybe
Speaker 1: compete to take Francis Bernard's job, Blue Gifford's job. I'll
Speaker 1: say linebacker, Okay, Corner, it's gonna be a corner. First corner, probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it could be exactly what we saw last year.
Speaker 1: Second and fourth round. It's the sweet spot for both
Speaker 1: not to take yours because that's where I was going.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go edge. I always do that. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go edge. Okay, I can see that as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, this defense needs a ton of health. We've
Speaker 1: already established that over under one and a half trades
Speaker 1: involving the Cowboys. So do you think there will be
Speaker 1: trades involving the Cowboys or not? Heck? Am I what
Speaker 1: you got? No under under? Okay, so one trade, no trade?
Speaker 1: Think about it. There's ten picks. They got a lot
Speaker 1: of picks, so well over then, because they will how
Speaker 1: many you think they'll make? Maybe two? Two trades? Okay?
Speaker 1: I gave it one and no draft for the future picks, Okay,
Speaker 1: i'd say at least, well I'll go with heck too,
Speaker 1: you know, try to package, bundle, move up. I kind
Speaker 1: of like to be oddish last year. Yeah, find a
Speaker 1: guy you like in the mid rounds that maybe dropped
Speaker 1: a little bit. I would love for that to happen,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of mid round talent here that
Speaker 1: you could go and get. But yeah, you would have
Speaker 1: to take probably trading some of those later ten picks
Speaker 1: to do so, and I think that would be something.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say over, I'm gonna be with you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say there's at least two trades that involved
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this weekend. What skills positions? Do you think
Speaker 1: Dallas uses a pick on Isaiah? This is great radio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured that that's a tough one man out of quarterback,
Speaker 1: running back, wide receiver. Which one do you think I'll
Speaker 1: even throw tight end in there? Yeah? I don't see
Speaker 1: them getting another receiver. Um, I think they might grab
Speaker 1: another running back. They might grab another running back, just
Speaker 1: get some debt purposes and for the future, just for
Speaker 1: the future. Two years left on both Pollard and Zeke's deals. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you think you know what? And I'm gonna say wide
Speaker 1: receiver because I'm Jalen Darden. I'm hoping that a guy
Speaker 1: like Jalen Darden, for unt, gets a shot, just saying
Speaker 1: and special teams. I think he'll be able to contribute
Speaker 1: on special teams. That would be the only place a
Speaker 1: wide receiver would be able to contribute to. See, there
Speaker 1: are a couple of those guys late in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Jalen Camp, the other day in a mock
Speaker 1: draft that I did. Georgia Tech wide receiver. I like
Speaker 1: him a lot as a guy who you could bring
Speaker 1: in as a special team's ace. And I'm looking up. Okay,
Speaker 1: combined record twenty seven reps on bench from a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He had thirty reps on a bench. He played wide receiver,
Speaker 1: all I mean, excuse me, played special teams with Georgia
Speaker 1: Tech for the last couple of years. Here's a couple
Speaker 1: of looks at the beam with the footage Beam was
Speaker 1: on that quick. Yeah, he played wide receiver, played out
Speaker 1: of the slot a lot, and he can sure go
Speaker 1: and play that big He's a big guy. Bench press
Speaker 1: or he had thirty reps on bench as a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's unreal. I could maybe see receiver
Speaker 1: later in the draft. Just I mean, your your fourth
Speaker 1: and fifth receivers are on one year deals, right, Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. He brings somebody in and to compete, you know.
Speaker 1: But to me, you just don't need a lot at
Speaker 1: your skill position. So it may just come down to, hey,
Speaker 1: if there's a guy sitting there at any running back,
Speaker 1: tight end, receiver lea six, you feel like dropped. Take
Speaker 1: him later on you, I say how many? How many
Speaker 1: reps you get on bench? I think I messed up,
Speaker 1: but I think I hit twenty three. I think by
Speaker 1: thirty three I mes stuff. I was really angry about
Speaker 1: that because that was the only test that I could
Speaker 1: really do because I was hurt. I was hurt. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna bench this thing out. They're
Speaker 1: gonna say my name and freaking freaking g I Joe
Speaker 1: Brady Quinn got me about one rep. Get out of town. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: my grip was wrong. So that we have they have
Speaker 1: they have a warm up bench. Have a warm up bench, right,
Speaker 1: and then you hit that and then you go over
Speaker 1: to the regular bench. Well, the bars were different, right,
Speaker 1: so the bench press bar it was. It was a
Speaker 1: clean bar. So I went out and I put my
Speaker 1: fingers on a little line. You know, you're hyped up,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about anything. Put your finger there, Put
Speaker 1: your finger there. And I came down to my first rep.
Speaker 1: Of my hands were way out here, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding. And at that point you just
Speaker 1: gotta go right. And when you fatigue, there is no
Speaker 1: get me a two or three or four more. It's
Speaker 1: like you'll pull you it, you know, so I could.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of reps left at me, but
Speaker 1: that was all I had. What could you do? Now?
Speaker 1: You think that's what I was going to ask? Now
Speaker 1: I'm old and busted. Now from Conda, you can do thirty.
Speaker 1: I could probably hit about twenty two. Oh I'm old
Speaker 1: and busted. I can always do one. What I did
Speaker 1: when I was actually a prospect, the wide grill. I
Speaker 1: could probably hit one or two. See more, do more more?
Speaker 1: You know? Uh goodness, that's terrible. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do this. I've got a Cowboys fit membership. Let's get
Speaker 1: you up. Can I race you? I want to race
Speaker 1: you out? You want to race me? Please freaking please raise?
Speaker 1: Do it? Terrible? No? But you? But you said if
Speaker 1: I said, let's raise Cole, he like God right now?
Speaker 1: Let's that would be fun? Man. I wish we would
Speaker 1: have thought of this earlier. Maybe non COVID would be easier.
Speaker 1: But do like a talking cowboys combine? That would be mean.
Speaker 1: I'm come on, you can't check it out. I physically
Speaker 1: can't do a damn thing. So I'm just gonna put
Speaker 1: a headset on a commentation, Rob, will be that you
Speaker 1: got comin across all of our podcasts. Take one representative.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting really good. Let whoever wants to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to get Mickey Spacknol in a forty yard dash.
Speaker 1: You're calling it out very church right now, and Jesse Holly, Okay,
Speaker 1: I call Spacknola. Then I'm calling out a sixty seven
Speaker 1: year old man I would take on I'm back out
Speaker 1: of retirement. I thought about the Derek or Shannon as
Speaker 1: the other host, but both of them are in great shape,
Speaker 1: so I feel like I would still lose that. Okay,
Speaker 1: final couple minutes. Who's the pick at tan, Rob, since
Speaker 1: you already kind of started your your aspiration, what is
Speaker 1: your pick? Who's the final? Who's your prediction in at ten?
Speaker 1: I mos certen in my mocks months weeks ago. I'll
Speaker 1: just stick with that. I think whoever they think is
Speaker 1: the best defensive guy at ten, I'm okay with. But
Speaker 1: I think Certain is gonna be a guy that plays
Speaker 1: twelve years in the league, maybe makes a couple of
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. I think he's gonna be a really good player.
Speaker 1: So I think you said it last week The floor.
Speaker 1: He's got a great floor. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a bust at ten, so I'll go
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, I don't like that they're gonna pick,
Speaker 1: sir saying in my eyes, but I think they're gonna go.
Speaker 1: That's gonna they're gonna go. Yeah, come on, give me
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, you know else, here we go.
Speaker 1: That is quote I'm going, Michael Parsons, I'm staying with
Speaker 1: my Pig's Cowboys are one. That's who I want. No, no,
Speaker 1: I want to that's what. That's not what we're doing.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What you think the Cowboys will do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, I can't say that. Guys, this is like
Speaker 1: heckma picking Dallas to beat Philadelphia two to nothing on
Speaker 1: the tostitos. You went too. This is just fine? Patrick,
Speaker 1: You like that what I'm saying. Do you really think
Speaker 1: that they would pick I really? I really? Do they
Speaker 1: know what they need? Yeah? You know, I think they
Speaker 1: can't ignore the conventional wisdoms of football. I think they
Speaker 1: know where they're weak. I'm just saying everything I know
Speaker 1: they do. But why not get you a playmaker? Why
Speaker 1: a guy that can affect Hand is just as much
Speaker 1: of a playmaker on the outside. It's almost heard a
Speaker 1: voice crack. There's a whole lot of field third, He's
Speaker 1: gonna be out there on the third. Um. I would
Speaker 1: normally say Patrick's rtan, But over the last couple of days,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like you, Rob, I've mocked Patrick's utan
Speaker 1: to Dallas a lot, a lot, including on the Blitz
Speaker 1: like three days ago. But the more I'm hearing about
Speaker 1: how these teams are lining up in front of you,
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily sure sure Hands even gonna be on
Speaker 1: the board. I'm scared the Broncos might pick them. Am,
Speaker 1: I'm scared the Panthers might pick them. There's a chance
Speaker 1: that the Lions might pick them. Yeah, I'm scared. Patrick
Speaker 1: Churtan's not even gonna be there. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with jac Horn, sticking with a cornerback spot a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a dog, has that that extra mentality,
Speaker 1: and he's a little grabby at times, but his physicality
Speaker 1: is there, and I think jac Horne. And also this
Speaker 1: could be the trade down scenario if they end up
Speaker 1: trading to fifteen, jac Horn could be the pick there too,
Speaker 1: So you could couldn't pick here with jac Horne. He
Speaker 1: could be at ten, he could be at fifteen. Who
Speaker 1: knows where where he ends up going. But I just
Speaker 1: I'm growingly getting more concerned that Certan's not going to
Speaker 1: be available. Stephen Jella said on the Fan on Friday,
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of great debate internally about Horn
Speaker 1: and Certain. I think obviously they like both, but be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens. And you're right, like, he
Speaker 1: could go, Horn might go at eight or nine, who's true,
Speaker 1: who knows, whoever knows what it is. Yeah, And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that do this for a living
Speaker 1: that are on top of the draft that really like
Speaker 1: Horn more than Certain, which is especially in a Quinn scheme.
Speaker 1: Horn is a Quinn type guy. He would be, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think the coaching staff is kind of rooting
Speaker 1: for Horn, and the scouting department might be looking more
Speaker 1: towards Patrick Chutan because it's a high ceiling with Horn
Speaker 1: versus a high floor with Certain, And that's the pick
Speaker 1: You're gonna end up having a make. Whatever happens this weekend,
Speaker 1: we will be back on Monday to talk about it here. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. Goodness, gracious gentlemen, it's been so
Speaker 1: much fun being in has man if it's refreshing, this
Speaker 1: feels real. It's almost like Opening Day, like it just
Speaker 1: feels special. Maybe it's because it's Draft week, but I
Speaker 1: think it's because you guys are in studio and my
Speaker 1: heart is so full and talking cowboys as it is,
Speaker 1: and I'm all I've had it up to here with
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, all right, with Chris be even the back
Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, isaiahs stand back and hack My Harrison.
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