WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - Money Is Destroying American Politics + Illinois Primary Was Ground Zero For Dark Money

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Hello thereon, Welcome to the Thursday edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Chuck Podcast. I have today's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more domestic, a bit moreocused on that obviously. Look

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<v Speaker 1>that the most important story impacting American politics is and

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to be the Iran War until it is

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<v Speaker 1>not right because of the impact it has on our economy,

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of symbolic impact it has on the economy

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<v Speaker 1>with gas prices, things like that, but the actual war itself,

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<v Speaker 1>the conduct of this war will we end up escalating

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<v Speaker 1>all these questions securing the straight of horn moves. It

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<v Speaker 1>is going to continue to be essentially and I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you're like I said, it's similar I said yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a Republican running on the ballot in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, you just wish this war would end in

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<v Speaker 1>some form or another, that you could turn the page

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<v Speaker 1>on this. But it isn't going to happen very quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>very easily. This is going to continue to be I

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<v Speaker 1>think the biggest story that will impact the larger sort

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<v Speaker 1>of perception of the direction of the country, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will certainly impact what is campaigned on. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, whether the war was happening or not,

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of the economy and democracy issues would be

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways front and center. And my sub stack

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<v Speaker 1>theme this week is about how the only primary and

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's some important political follout from that that

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<v Speaker 1>I'll share with you in a few minutes. A huge

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<v Speaker 1>win for Juliana Stratton number one, but number two, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in the near term the bigger winner might be JB. Pritzker,

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<v Speaker 1>the governor of Illinois. I think those of us I'm

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's you know, I wasn't sure. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>him in my top tier of twenty twenty eight ers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say, you know, I'm paying a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>respect than to him now, and I see him as

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, you're the governor you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>take on You're a billionaire governor, and you're able to

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<v Speaker 1>take on these huge super packs from the crypto industry

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<v Speaker 1>and from the tech and AI industries, and you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to win. Although in this case, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>really more of the crypto folks that he was taking

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<v Speaker 1>on more than anybody else. It says something, and I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly have and I want to get to that in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. But I want to tackle this issue of

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<v Speaker 1>money in politics because it's all kind of tied in

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<v Speaker 1>together a little bit. And let's just say, for years

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't spend a lot of time on the issue

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<v Speaker 1>of campaign finance and money and politics, not because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think it was a problem. I just never really

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<v Speaker 1>believed it would ever really become a big issue in

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<v Speaker 1>American politics. Even as you hear, as I'll hear plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of you know, non professional in this space.

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<v Speaker 1>I E. Voters, I E. Those that pay attention going,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to do something about money in politics, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was a skeptic when that there was any reform

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<v Speaker 1>that was even possible, that there was no curbing of money,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't because I thought the system was healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>quite the opposite. I just assumed the problem was unbeatable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was too adaptive, it was too clever, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>And I had this working assumption. I used to do

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<v Speaker 1>this all the time. I'd quote Jeff Goldbloom's character in

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Park when the old man reassures the scientists that

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<v Speaker 1>he brings to show off his dinosaurs. Oh no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to pro create. I've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate their DNA so that they can't pro create. And

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<v Speaker 1>Goldblum's characters, you know, he's the guy who I guess

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<v Speaker 1>promotes chaos theory and mathematics, and he basically says life

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<v Speaker 1>finds a way and he turns out to be right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always felt that way about money in politics, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Money always finds a way. You try public financing, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets outgrown, you try to cap contribution. Well, then you

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<v Speaker 1>get bundling, which sort of a work around every reform

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<v Speaker 1>in in my adult lifetime, in franctly, my entire lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>has been has been turned against itself. Right, you ban

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<v Speaker 1>soft money from the major parties, then that money moves

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<v Speaker 1>outside the parties and you say, have less of an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to keep control of your of your party. Mcain

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<v Speaker 1>fine Gold was supposed to clean things up, and instead

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<v Speaker 1>it helped create the modern superPAC system that is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>destructive to the political campaign system as we know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Every single reform I've seen tried created a workaround that

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<v Speaker 1>became made the problem worse. So you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>point you're like, well, just go find your you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw there was no neither party would ever

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<v Speaker 1>have a permanent advantage on money, you know, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way markets work, right, When one one side's up,

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<v Speaker 1>the other side finds it finds disgruntled rich people to

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<v Speaker 1>help them, right, And and so there was an uneasy

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<v Speaker 1>balance that you would see in this, and so you thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least it's fair, it's ugly, it's gross, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least it's balanced between the two parties over time. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be messy, it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be imperfect, but ultimately it was probably unfixable, especially once

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<v Speaker 1>the courts decided that money was speech, so then you

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<v Speaker 1>had to have a constitutional moment, and what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>would that constitutional moment look like? But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>we missed something along the way, because when we pushed

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<v Speaker 1>big donors out of the parties, this was a I

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<v Speaker 1>think this, you know, I have you know, McCain fine gold.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were plenty of detractors of McCain fine gold

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<v Speaker 1>because they just simply wanted more big money in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were other detractors of McCain fine gold who

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<v Speaker 1>worried it would weaken them two political parties. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think those folks have proven to be right. And let

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<v Speaker 1>me explain, we didn't just move money when we got

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<v Speaker 1>rid of money big money checks being written to political

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<v Speaker 1>parties directly, he actually removed one of the only guard

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<v Speaker 1>rails in vetting candidates that we had. When you take

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<v Speaker 1>the parties out of the candidate vetting business, and you

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<v Speaker 1>do this when you no longer allow them to have

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<v Speaker 1>the financial resources to help candidates win, then you had

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<v Speaker 1>real consequences to what kinds of candidates would suddenly pop

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<v Speaker 1>up for all of their flaws, And there were plenty

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<v Speaker 1>with the party organizations. They did serve a kind as

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a filter. Wasn't a perfect filter and wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>always a fair filter, but they would ask basic questions

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<v Speaker 1>like is this person stable? Do they have good judgment?

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<v Speaker 1>Can they handle power? Can they handle stress? Sometimes just

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<v Speaker 1>the basic vetting process and an HR department would have

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<v Speaker 1>And because that's where you had to get your resources

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<v Speaker 1>and your money, you as the candidate sort of where

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of you had to apply to the parties,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, unofficially, and the parties had a stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the long term health of the coalition and they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't just get behind somebody that could win now if

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<v Speaker 1>they thought that person's reputation could end up harming the

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<v Speaker 1>overall reputation of the party itself. But now well, that

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<v Speaker 1>function has been entirely outsourced, and it's been outsourced to

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<v Speaker 1>donor networks, to ideological entrepreneurs, to outside groups, and those

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<v Speaker 1>actors aren't asking the same questions that leaders of the

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<v Speaker 1>two actual political parties used to ask of their candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't ask is this person fit? They're asking can

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<v Speaker 1>this person win? And will this person be useful, useful

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<v Speaker 1>to fund, useful to protect useful to stop something. They

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<v Speaker 1>have their own incentive. They're looking for somebody that aligns

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<v Speaker 1>with them on a specific issue, specific topic of issue focus. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that then Trump's character it, Trump's ethics, Trump's morals,

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump branding. Right. It's a completely different screening mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>and it produces a completely different kind of politics. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you lay around Citizens United, and now the system isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just adaptive, it's protected. Political spending becomes speech, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful restrictions are almost impossible without a constitutional fight. So

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time I thought this is it, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the system, until recently that is because something has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there's always a tipping point, right, there's always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything in moderation, But eventually you're not moderating your habits.

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<v Speaker 1>You've tipped. So let me give you a moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I clicked for me. And I keep coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>this and I bring it up in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my appearances now and I'm going to continue to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>When Chuck Schumer reportedly told fellow Democratic senators to ease

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<v Speaker 1>up on their opposition to the crypto industry, not because

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<v Speaker 1>they changed their minds and they saw that crypto was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be this incredible. Maybe this would be a

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<v Speaker 1>helpful tool in the financial sector. But because of the

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<v Speaker 1>political firepower of a singular super called fair shake, these

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<v Speaker 1>were huge players in Illinois, and by the way, they

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<v Speaker 1>get their ass kecked in Illinois, they did not have

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<v Speaker 1>a good night. For what it's worth, But think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials being told to soften their positions on a

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<v Speaker 1>specific issue because an industry simply has too much money

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge them. That's not influence, that's not persuasion, that's coersion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's policy extortion. And once you see that clearly, then

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff starts to look differently because what we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with now is not just a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>in politics. It is something bigger. It's the shift from

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<v Speaker 1>candidate centered politics to donor centered politics. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>what was so crystal clear about all of the Illinois

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<v Speaker 1>primaries that happened earlier this week. And it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senate race. It was also in these house

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<v Speaker 1>races where every single candidate came with a descriptor that

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<v Speaker 1>said the fairshake back candidate, the AI back candidate, the

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<v Speaker 1>A packed back candidate, this back candidate. Right, it was

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<v Speaker 1>never just about the candidate, even in Juliana Stratton's case,

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't have one big industry behind her, she had

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<v Speaker 1>a big billionaire governor behind her. She was Governor Pritzker's candidate, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it was not about the candidates. It was about

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<v Speaker 1>their supporters, about the donors. So now there was a

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<v Speaker 1>specific reason why Illinois became kind of ground zero for

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<v Speaker 1>this moment. Right. It's a very blue state, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had a bunch of elderly members of Congress who finally

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<v Speaker 1>decided to retire, the big one being Dick Durbin. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you got elected in ninety six. You know, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>for what it's worth, I think if you were elected

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<v Speaker 1>to office in the twentieth century, you probably shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>seeking reelection in twenty six. And if you do, don't

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised if you get primaried and you have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But I digress. So Dick Durbin retires, there's an open seat,

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<v Speaker 1>deep blue state, which means the primary becomes the election

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not just an election for six years. Dick

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<v Speaker 1>Derbin got elected in ninety six and was there for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, worked his way up in the leadership number

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<v Speaker 1>two in leadership. So this is a very I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you're investing in. You're not just investing in

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<v Speaker 1>one six year term. You're potentially investing in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the next leaders of the United States Senate over a generation.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're you've got interest before Congress, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a valuable asset to acquire, i e. Having a senator

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<v Speaker 1>that may feel beholden to your industry. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>that interest group and you think you can influence this primary,

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<v Speaker 1>you may be buying influence for a generation. So what

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<v Speaker 1>did voters get? Though? They didn't get a traditional campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't get a real debate between the candidates. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, if you didn't have one of these things yet,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really hard for the candidates. I never felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I got to know the candidates. I only knew

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<v Speaker 1>them through their donors and through who their supporters were.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turned into a proxy war. Right. You had

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<v Speaker 1>crypto money, AI money, a pack link money, billionaire money,

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<v Speaker 1>governor money front group, shell acts, you name it. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it, voters knew what these interests wanted, perhaps,

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<v Speaker 1>but that they really know what kind of candidate they

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<v Speaker 1>were getting. Now, I think in Stratton. She found a

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<v Speaker 1>way to break through, interestingly enough, because she went viral

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<v Speaker 1>with an ad that didn't air on mainstream television because

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<v Speaker 1>you'd had to bleep it out too much. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was the F Trump at and if you haven't seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>I encourage you to go see it. During our livestream,

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<v Speaker 1>we aired a vision of it, but it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of voters saying F Trump, and then Stratton says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it, but it was her way of

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<v Speaker 1>basically virtue signaling, Hey, she's going to be a fighter.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants to punch the bully in the nose. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it mattered. It also mattered that the governor,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is popular with rank and filed Democrats because

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<v Speaker 1>he's been fighting Trump and he's been you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom has gotten a lot more credit for arguably

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<v Speaker 1>Pritzker's been doing before. Newsom thought it was a cool

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<v Speaker 1>way to do. But we still had something odd take

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<v Speaker 1>place this week in Illinois in that voters again I think,

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<v Speaker 1>ended up having to to select candidates based on what

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<v Speaker 1>third party groups create. The character of third party groups

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<v Speaker 1>were created by them, So they were watching messages written

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<v Speaker 1>by people who may never actually have been on the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot and will never be on the ballot. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>the part that should bother everyone. These outside groups, they

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<v Speaker 1>often don't even campaign on the issue they actually care about.

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<v Speaker 1>A crypto group may never mention Crypto, an AI group

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<v Speaker 1>may never mention AI entirely. An Israel focused group may

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<v Speaker 1>decide that's too politically complicated to lead with. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do they do. They find another issue, immigration, crime, corruption, ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>and they use that as the delivery system. So voters

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<v Speaker 1>think they're watching one debate when they're actually being moved

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<v Speaker 1>onto another. And that's not persuasion. That becomes misdirection, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the candidates don't really feel accountable to it because

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways they can't control these outside groups, and

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<v Speaker 1>the outside groups have no accountability because none of us

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<v Speaker 1>about it, especially if you've got a growing family. So

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<v Speaker 1>as a candidate, you weirdly kind of stuck because you

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<v Speaker 1>can't coordinate with the groups, and so they get pulled

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<v Speaker 1>into campaigns they didn't design. They just sort of participate

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<v Speaker 1>into a campaign that was created by an outside group

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<v Speaker 1>on terrain. They didn't choose answering for messages. They didn't right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole idea of independent spending becomes part of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. And this is where the loss of party

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<v Speaker 1>control I think matters a lot, because parties used to

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about the entire electorate, the whole coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>long term consequences. Now we didn't just decentralize money, we

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized responsibility, and we hollowed out the institutions that had

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<v Speaker 1>to care about more than one donor's obsession, which brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to the core problem inanimity. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>vote in secret, you should. The secret ballot is sacred.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fundamental right. But if you want to spend

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<v Speaker 1>millions influencing everyone else's vote, sorry, you don't deserve secrecy.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to put your name on it immediately, not

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<v Speaker 1>on some tax reform through a LLC six months later,

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<v Speaker 1>in real time, in plain English. No shell companies, no

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<v Speaker 1>front groups, no hiding three layers deep, stand by your money.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, let me make it simple, take a page

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<v Speaker 1>from NASCAR. If you want to spend big money in politics,

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<v Speaker 1>but the donor on the hood every ad, every mail,

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<v Speaker 1>or every digital buy, because that's the tradeoff. Influence comes

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<v Speaker 1>with visibility. You want to have influence, everybody needs to

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<v Speaker 1>know it with her democracy. It's on the ballot and

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to be put on the ballot now. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if that doesn't solve the whole problem, because the deeper

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<v Speaker 1>issue is what this system does to candidates. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>just reward certain positions, it punishes others. So candidates learn,

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<v Speaker 1>They learn what fights are too expensive, like crypto apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>so they soften, they go quiet, they delay, or they

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<v Speaker 1>stand down entirely not because they've been persuaded, but because

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<v Speaker 1>they understand the cost that comes with dissent, which in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways is what they crypto. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what they've done. They've amassed such a financial juggernaut and

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<v Speaker 1>fair shape that they just want to intimidate politicians into

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<v Speaker 1>legalizing what is a questionable what many people find questionable

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<v Speaker 1>in its usefulness. But once that happens, the problem isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just money in politics. It's that money is defining the

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries of politics. What can be said, what can't be said,

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<v Speaker 1>what gets debated, what gets avoided. And here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this is no longer just a left wing complaint. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>now hearing it from Republicans, free market conservatives, people with

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<v Speaker 1>their own scars from dark money, starting to say this

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<v Speaker 1>out loud. And that's new. And this is why I

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<v Speaker 1>think why we might have hit a tipping point where

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the public is ready to do something about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe the politicians are going to grow a spine

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<v Speaker 1>and do something about it, because the scale here is undeniable.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that long ago, billionaire money was a rounding error.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding. I mean you've seen it. It was barely

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of campaign money came from billionaires pre Citizens United.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's approaching one out of every five dollars spent

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<v Speaker 1>on federal campaigns comes from a billionaire. We are moving

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<v Speaker 1>towards something new, but it looks like institutionalized billionaire politics, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a political gilded age. Now, to be clear, this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean every candidate backed by wealthy interest is corrupt. American

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<v Speaker 1>politics has always had patrons, but the structure of it matters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the structure we have now encourages voters to believe

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<v Speaker 1>candidates are simply stand ins for their donors, and that

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<v Speaker 1>perception alone is what is so corrosive, and it creates

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<v Speaker 1>a barrier to entry that should worry all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We got rid of poll taxes for a reason. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't charge people for access to a constitutional right. But

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<v Speaker 1>we've built something similar on the candidate side. A system

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<v Speaker 1>we're running for office seriously requires access to wealth, patrons

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<v Speaker 1>or donor networks. That's a shadow tax on a candidacy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>candidates will tell you fairly that they didn't write these rules,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're right, they didn't. Can be rational for the

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<v Speaker 1>participants and still be unacceptable for the public, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we're at. The reforms aren't mysterious, real time disclosure,

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<v Speaker 1>no anonymous money, clear donor identification. Maybe some structural fixes

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<v Speaker 1>like runoffs or ranked choice voting won't fix everything, but

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<v Speaker 1>it will store one basic idea that voters should know

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<v Speaker 1>who is trying to persuade them and why, because in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases it's not the candidates that are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>persuade voters anymore. It's some anonymous donor who's funding that candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>So the danger now isn't that money influences outcomes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that it defines the menu of choices itself, like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know there's an alternative because it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the funding to present itself on your menu of options before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like what happens in Iran? Right? You know, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a democracy, but the regime decides who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the ballot. So is it really a choice

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<v Speaker 1>in anybody that is, you know, any presential candidate that's

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<v Speaker 1>calling for actual, small de democratic reform, they somehow don't

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<v Speaker 1>make the ballot. That's essentially what we're seeing here, donors

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<v Speaker 1>deciding who's viable, who's not, what's debated, and what gets dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how democracy gets reshaped into a kleptocracy quietly before

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<v Speaker 1>a single vote has even cast. And that's why this

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<v Speaker 1>has finally potentially become a voting issue, not because reform

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<v Speaker 1>is easy, but because voters are starting to see the

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<v Speaker 1>system for what it is. In Illinois. It's not the exception.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a warning. And it's interesting because Illinois features

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire governor, a billionaire governor who's tried to fight

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<v Speaker 1>the some of these other billionaires. And you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>feeds into a notion. And this is why I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, hey, look we're going to look on

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<v Speaker 1>one primary does not make a presidential candidate, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is a data point that matters. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>f Trump at it's possible that you have a group

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<v Speaker 1>of Democrats who say, well, this system is so rigged

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe they've got to find their billionaire to fight

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<v Speaker 1>the other billionaires. And I'm not just making this up.

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<v Speaker 1>One of you was my substact reader, made a comment

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<v Speaker 1>on my substack column that was on the that was

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<v Speaker 1>similarly themed here, and I just want to read you

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<v Speaker 1>to hand in hand here because I think it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a it's illustrative of where I think there

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<v Speaker 1>is a faction of the Democratic Party. And I've, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I've heard other at a progressive consultant tell

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<v Speaker 1>me I'm looking for my own Trump right anyway, let

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<v Speaker 1>me read you to what one of my commenters too

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<v Speaker 1>on substack said, this is the most terrifying thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>read in a while, and I read a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>AI doomsday articles. What do we do about it? Writing

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.760
<v Speaker 1>or calling your congress person feels inadequate. I've known campaign

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 1>find answer was a problem for a long time, but

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it feels like the only way to change it is

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<v Speaker 1>to become a billionaire, win elections and then fight the

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<v Speaker 1>other billionaires. What do normal citizens do short of pulling

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<v Speaker 1>out the guillotines? This was just a simple question to him,

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<v Speaker 1>And what I want to say to Ryan asked who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this in is you may need to You may

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<v Speaker 1>need to show your guillotine. I'm not saying you use

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the guillotine, but you almost need to, Like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you walk t you walk quietly and carry a big

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<v Speaker 1>stick like you're guillotine. You're your stick. Or maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>hire a billionaire to do this right, And that's I

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<v Speaker 1>think the JB. Pritzker pitch. Hey, I'm a billionaire. I

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<v Speaker 1>know how these guys work, and in some ways it's

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror image of how Trump convinced a frustrated Republican

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<v Speaker 1>base that was tired of losing, tired of compromising, tired

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<v Speaker 1>of the mccains and the Romneys of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted somebody who made them feel better and expressed

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<v Speaker 1>what they thought they couldn't say anymore, right, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was Donald Trump. Well that's what the Juliana Stratton f

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<v Speaker 1>Trump ad. I think there's a there's it's somewhat analogous, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a group of Democrats who are tired of the shit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, screw it, give me my own billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>and let me punch this bully in the house. And

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<v Speaker 1>Pritzker has been playing this role for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've been skeptical that the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump eras for Democrats to go find their own billionaire. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why I've been a little skeptical of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Cuban idea, a little skeptical of the Pritzker idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But watching it in action and you seeing how much

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<v Speaker 1>money and how big these entities are. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>took a rich guy named Teddy Roosevelt to take on

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<v Speaker 1>the big rich guys, right, it took a rich guy

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<v Speaker 1>in FDR to build the social safety net for the

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<v Speaker 1>working class. It was a rich guy that working class

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<v Speaker 1>America the last ten years has turned to or want

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<v Speaker 1>to be rich guy, depending on your point of view

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<v Speaker 1>of when Trump actually acquired actual wealth. But it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Perceive Perception is reality in this case. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>know this, like you know, I always remind people I

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<v Speaker 1>cover politics as as it is, not as I wish

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<v Speaker 1>it were. I'm not sure this is a good long

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<v Speaker 1>term solution for where we're headed as a country. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also it's possible. This is a this is something,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that has to be tried first before

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing gets tried, right, And if you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I always like to put my shove in the shoes

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<v Speaker 1>of somebody fifty years from now looking back on this

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<v Speaker 1>era we're living through, and how will they see it,

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<v Speaker 1>what will it look like? And you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory that we're we're going to We're

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to have two or three more one term

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<v Speaker 1>presidents before we have a president that's able to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of solidify the country enough to earn a second term.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when you know, we'll have turned the page

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<v Speaker 1>on this era until we get there. So we've had

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<v Speaker 1>three in a row. You know, we didn't. We went

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<v Speaker 1>through the entire twentieth century without three one term presidents

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. So I kind of think we're you

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<v Speaker 1>got to go through these stages, right, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could see this right if if down the road

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<v Speaker 1>we get you know, the next Eisenhower becomes president, say

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirty six, but we have a one term

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<v Speaker 1>president in twenty eight, a one term president in thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Like okay, what you know, what what will

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<v Speaker 1>the explanation be? And it will be something like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the frustrated Americans they kept they kept voting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they kept looking for something different and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like it, and they voted out. You know, the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>they tried the conciliator candidate in Biden and that didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they tried you know, if they go with the

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<v Speaker 1>A Pritzker, let's say, then it was oh, they tried

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<v Speaker 1>the fighter, the billionaire fighter to fight back and that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work in the Culture War, and then you know

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, So you know it is it's possible. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just in a this is the next step, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before you get to whatever the whatever the solution is,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe this turns out to be the solution, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a leader sort of morphs into something bigger and

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<v Speaker 1>is able to rise above in a moment. You know. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's what we do. We find out sometimes after

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<v Speaker 1>we elect these presidents whether they're actually up to the job.

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<v Speaker 1>We never, let's be honest, we're never quite sure these

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<v Speaker 1>folks are up to the job until after they take office.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of skepticism about Bill Clinton, and then

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<v Speaker 1>after a while you understood why he was there. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>did it with w did it with Obama? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always a moment where these people fill the suit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just sort of see it, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Biden always struggled to fill the suit. I think Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is always acting. He's always playing a role,

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<v Speaker 1>so he struggles to fill the suit because it's never

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<v Speaker 1>a full it's never quite quite what he is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a performance of some sort. You just have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what that performance is at any given time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh, I'm always careful. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be definitive here. Right. We had one primary where the

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<v Speaker 1>candidate who was preaching love instead of a fighter one

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas. Now this one we got the fighter, the

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<v Speaker 1>F Trump candidate. Right. By the way, every time I

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<v Speaker 1>say F Trump, I'm channeling my old Chris Matthews. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>be saying, are you saying F troop? You know some

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>old TV show back in the sixties. So for some

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of my older viewers and listeners, that was a shout

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<v Speaker 1>out for F troop. Now I'm not saying F troop

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<v Speaker 1>when I say the F Trump had. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two data points does not make a trend, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>an intriguing data point. It's something I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>dismiss about Pritzker. And I think that Pritzker's proven to

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<v Speaker 1>be politically savving his own state, so we should be

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>taking him seriously as a presidential candidate. I wouldn't put

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<v Speaker 1>him at the bottom of the top tier anymore. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be putting him smack dab in the in the contender

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<v Speaker 1>section of this. As we go forward, all right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, coming up my conversation with somebody who leads

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>one of these super packs that I'm talking about, and

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>we get into whether this is a healthy system and

0:30:56.480 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>what should be and Rad Carson, longtime Oklahoma Democrat, also

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<v Speaker 1>gives his prescription of how Democrats could to could improve

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<v Speaker 1>their brand in red states like Oklahoma and elsewhere. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll find the conversation interesting, provocative and enlightening.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, let's sneak in a break and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, my conversation with about AI influencer politics

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<v Speaker 1>in Boston and he writes, Hey, Chuck, I started listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your podcast after hearing you on Jim and Marjorie

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<v Speaker 1>Show and have not missed an episode since. Oh I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad to hear that Jim and Marjorie are fantastic. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a terrific daily program on BPR. Up there, Boston

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<v Speaker 1>Public Radio, and they're two of my favorite people. I

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<v Speaker 1>just adore them and it is probably my favorite guest

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<v Speaker 1>appearance I make on anything I do. It's just a

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>total joy with them, So thank you for giving them

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out. You continue. I devour the commentaries as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as they drop and then save the interviews for

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. So excellent. My niece has just graduated from

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<v Speaker 1>journalism school and is moving to DC to start her

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<v Speaker 1>career in the world of political journalism. I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of getting our membership at the National Press Club as

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<v Speaker 1>a graduation. Get is that still where the center of

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<v Speaker 1>gravity is for the DC press these days? Thanks Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and Boston actually isn't a National Press Club? Is really

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it's really a PR mechanism. Now more public relations firms

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>are members of the Press Club than actual journalists associations.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>It's still an if you're an international journalist, the Press

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<v Speaker 1>Club is a helpful tool, but it does not play

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<v Speaker 1>the role it once did, and it's interesting I might suggest,

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<v Speaker 1>I know this sounds I might suggest just getting her

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<v Speaker 1>a subscription to like punch Bowl, right, and some one

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of these insider newsletters that you really need to know,

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, that can really help drive you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>Congress that's punch Bowl, and that's not a cheap publication,

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>but you know, the DC publication world right, whether it's

0:34:55.440 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>your subscription, and it really is punchable for Congress. You know,

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>this is what gets really expensive in the world of journalism,

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 1>is being able to keep track of everybody else's work,

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>whether it's the Punch Bowl, Wall Street Journal, Politico, Axios.

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 1>None of this stuff is free, and in many cases

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>it's exuberant, it's uber expensive. But I think back on

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>what I needed as subscription to my old stomping grounds,

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the Hotline. You know, if you did punch Bowl, Wall

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Street Journal, Politico in the Hotline, that's probably what a

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>membership to the National Press Club would cost. And I

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>would dare say those publications if your niece doesn't end

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>up working at one of them, and she may end up,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, over time, if one of the not every

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>news organization, we'll spring for some of these subscriptions. So

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>anyway that I'm just thinking out loud, but that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where I would begin to sort of engrace,

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, to have help somebody sort of get used

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<v Speaker 1>to the rhythms of this town, you know, from an

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>internal cultural sense, and that's where punch Bowl and Politico

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Playbook in particular come come in. And then with this

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>particular White House axios in the Wall Street Journal, I

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>think I have the best access to the to the

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>west wing and have the probably the more consistent scoopages.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is no disrespect to the times in

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<v Speaker 1>the Post, but in this case, the times in the

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<v Speaker 1>Post are a bit cheaper, and one could argue she could,

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>she could, she could pay for those. Those other ones

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<v Speaker 1>are a little price here, So just a thought anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that helps, Bill, and congratulations and you know

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<v Speaker 1>I at some point we're going to be hiring interns

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>here at the Check Podcast, but we haven't fully fully

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>expanded there for now. Next up is Howard W. From

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. Any rates, when the Declaration of Independence was signed,

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<v Speaker 1>were we a country or thirteen colonies? Didn't we actually

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<v Speaker 1>become a country when the articles of confederation right fight

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<v Speaker 1>in seventeen eighty one. That is a fair point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>We we declared our independence and then we didn't really

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and we sort of formed an army, and you know,

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>there was a coalition and it was I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could call it a a you know, a coalition of

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<v Speaker 1>the willing, but it's a it's man, why do you

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>want to mess up a good myth? Right? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>telling us we have to put off the two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fiftieth birthday for at least another six years? But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a and we certainly have only been a constitutional republic,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is probably since since seventeen eighty one, so

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<v Speaker 1>the first time we attempted a constitution. But hey, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a that's a that's a fair it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fair argument. So I had a little fun. You'll appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I decided to tap. I typed your question into

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<v Speaker 1>chat gpt to see what our AI would say, When

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<v Speaker 1>did America become an actual country? So here's the response

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<v Speaker 1>that chat ChiPT gave and he goes, well, that depends

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<v Speaker 1>on what you mean by become a country, because the

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<v Speaker 1>United States didn't flip a switch over nine. It emerged

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<v Speaker 1>in stages and each one answers your question a little differently.

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<v Speaker 1>So the declaration of independence, chat chipet caused a symbolic

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<v Speaker 1>birth the thirteen Colony simply declared themselves independent from Great Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that. Seventeen eighty three the Treaty of Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is when the international world recognized America as

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<v Speaker 1>a country. The Treaty of Paris officially ended the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Britain had to formally recognize the United States as a

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<v Speaker 1>sovereign nation, and then other countries would acknowledge the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. So they argue that the legal

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>recognition recognized moment then would be seventeen eighty three, seventeen

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, our Constitution takes effect, so you know, and

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you can then make your argument about the articles iteration

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and that that being so, there you go, And arguably

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>we still have to wait until we may have to.

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>The two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Constitutional Republic

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>would be the next decade, and so our two hundred

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and fiftieth celebration for the Constitution I assume we'll all

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>be centered around Philadelphia in twenty thirty nine. So make

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>your reservations now. All right, that was a fun little exercise,

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and I love the provocative question. See, how are these

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>are my listeners? This is what I expect I expect

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>this kind of this kind of nuance in details, So

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 1>thank you. Next question comes from Brad Chuck. Greetings from

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Grand Rapids in Michigan's third District, and thanks for the

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>great podcast. You often say citizens should reach out to

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>their representatives, But what if you're a member of Congress

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 1>like my representative Hillary Schulton and Michigan senators already share

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 1>your concerns. Is it still worthwhile to contact them just

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to reinforce support, encourage them to push even harder in Washington?

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.240
<v Speaker 1>How much influence do constituents really have when they're asking

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>leaders who already agree with them to do more. I

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>think it's more of the tactical. You know, it's interesting.

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I am one of the fun pleasures I have in teaching.

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>As many of you know, I teach a class called

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>how Washington Works for USC and it's their DC program

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>USC University of Southern California, and I to be confused

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>with my friends in Columbia, South Carolina who believe the

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>University of South Carolina is the original USC as I

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>like to say to them, have a more successful program

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and you can reclaim USC is yours. Sorry couldn't help myself,

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but about half the class is interning on the hill.

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 1>And when you intern on the hill, what does that mean? Yeah,

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>answer the phones. But answering the phones in a congressional

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>office is fascinating, especially when you're a young intern, because

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>usually it's calls from constituents, not always, you know, sometimes

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 1>they're planned campaign sometimes they're genuine locals. But here's what

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you I've learned from these conversations I've

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>had with these with with people that answer phones over

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the years. It's all offices want to keep track. They

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>want to know what issues are coming up, what's being

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>called in it because a lot of times it is

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 1>an early warning system. All of a sudden, you get

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>some there might be some local thing that's happening that

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the congressional office is getting a lot of calls on.

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It actually is something that a local mayor ought to

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>deal with. Maybe it's something the mayor of Grand Rapids

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>has to deal with, and they're able to say, hey,

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:47.439
<v Speaker 1>we're getting calls about this, are you aware of this? Right?

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>So it can be just sort of an early warning system, right,

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>But they but the members care and it's it's I

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 1>think there's more power in numbers, right, But you don't

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>want to look like you're manufacturing and you're reading from

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a script. So the point is is that sometimes it's

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>not You may your representatives may support you generally, but

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 1>are they doing something specifically? You know, you might you

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 1>might want to say, how come you're not doing this?

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I know you share the same concerns I

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>do about X. So explain to me why you're not

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>doing why. You know. Maybe let's say you're you're skeptical

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of this around war, Well, maybe you might want to

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 1>encourage them. Look, don't just vote symbolically, know against funding

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>this war. What are you going to do to actually

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>try to bring this to an end? You know, maybe

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>force an answer out of them, force a response out

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of them. But I you know, or you can call

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>other you know, these these these members of Congress. You

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 1>won't for some of them, you won't be is impactful,

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 1>but they do log complaints that come in from constituents

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that don't live in their district or state and just say, look,

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm and you should be honest about it, and I'm

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 1>calling you. You know, my senator's already believe in this,

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but I'm concerned, you know, and maybe find a way

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to connect with that senator. I you know, I thought

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Senator X really was worried about why so why aren't

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they also standing up on this issue? But there's all

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>sorts of ways to I think, influence a senator that

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you think already shares some of your values. Maybe it's

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>more in what are they doing about it? How are

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.439
<v Speaker 1>they expressing themselves? You know, it's one thing to share

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>your concerns. It's another things to do some action. So

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that'd be another way to look at it. Next question

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.919
<v Speaker 1>comes from David and he writes, Chuck, I'm a twenty

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>nine year old living in California now, but previously a

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.479
<v Speaker 1>federal worker in DC before being cut during last year's

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>doze terminations. You've often mentioned Mississippi as a state to watch,

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>even though most analysts don't see it as viable for Democrats.

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 1>What can we learn from the Sippy primaries past Tuesday

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in terms of turnout, in enthusiasm, and do you see

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the same potential for competitiveness there that we've seen in

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>southern races like Alabama in twenty seventeen, in Georgia in

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Well, look, I've had this Mississippi conversation with

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>quite a few people, and I'm trying to remember recently.

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can't remember if I did it

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>in this podcast or it was a Newsfair episode, but

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about different states, or it may have been.

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>It may have been a conversation I had with when

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I was moderating a panel up at Harvard in Jamie Harrison,

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 1>who was the former DNC chair and candidate for office

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.839
<v Speaker 1>in South Carolina, and it was in this you know,

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole point of pointing out of Mississippi, for one thing,

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>is is looking at what the electoral map could look

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like in twenty thirty two. When we have reapportionment in

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the electoral college, numbers shift again and the power continues

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to grow in the sun Beat and in the South.

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 1>So Democrats have to make inroads in the sun Belt, right,

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>You've got to make inroads where the people live. Texas

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and Florida are two obvious targets. They're big, they're huge,

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and they're very difficult. Georgia is a success story. It's

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>an organizational success story. And the point is when you

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>look at the population in Mississippi and you look at

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>look at go look at those general election results, they're

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 1>always you know, Sydney Hyde Smith versus Mike Esipe in

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen fifty four to forty six race, that's not

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 1>a blowout. That does not mean Mississippi is not competitive.

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Tate Reeves and the Presley cousin was also somebody that

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 1>was also one of the closest governor's races in thirty

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>years or in the last twenty years. Excuse me, but

0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 1>what you have is an under investment in the state

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>part and there's a there's an under voter, there's an

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>under there's basically a lot of unregistered African American voters

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi who've kind of given up on the system.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>It was a similar phenomenon in Alabama, and you had

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Doug Jones will tell you it was black women in

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>particular that you know, helped organize for his campaign and

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>that upset over Roy Moore. Now, there's nothing like having

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>an opponent who's an accused pedophile in order to assist

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.040
<v Speaker 1>you in a in a very deeply religious state like Alabama.

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think we should we should overlook that

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>factoid on that one success in Alabama. But Mississippi there's

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 1>more consistent. You see it, right, there's a lower ceiling

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>for Republicans than there is in an Alabama or but

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not a one cycle investment, right, And I

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 1>think the problem, the difference between the Democrats and the

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Republicans in my adult lifetime is that Republicans have always

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>taken a longer view in trying to flip a state

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>and Democrats are always looking for a shortcut, and they've

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>not take that longer. One of the few exceptions to

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the longer views has been Arizona in Georgia, and now

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that is paid necessary dividends, right, it's kept them in

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>the game. Without Georgie and Arizona, the downfall of the

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Midwestern swing states and of Florida and Ohio in particular

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>would be catastrophic for the party. But it's not because

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of a concerted twenty year effort to essentially get competitive

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia and Arizona. And you had look the losing

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Stacey Abrams campaigns did a lot, made a lot of

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 1>progress for george Democrats, and that's what you need. You

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 1>need somebody that sort of you know, makes progress in

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 1>losing and sticks to it. And in Mississippi you've had

0:47:55.000 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 1>too many examples of well funded singular campaign that have

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 1>never sort of stayed engaged after they've lost, and until

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you do, that's that's the moment. But it's if you

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 1>look at the population numbers and you look at the

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>voter registration numbers, that's why you see. If you ever

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 1>could maximize African American voter registration in Mississippi, you suddenly

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>are in a different place competitively in that day. Next

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 1>question comes from JR. JR. Rights. Hey, second time asker,

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Thanks again for taking questions. Virginia's led Governor Spamberger signature

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>bringing the electoral vote count for it's triggering up to

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>two twenty two, still a ways off from the required

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 1>two to seventy. But what do you think the odds

0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:47.320
<v Speaker 1>are that the MPV will gain momentum and get the

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 1>requisite numbers to go into effect. Do you think Trump's

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 1>popular vote win in twenty twenty four may jostle free

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 1>some reticent red states to join. Thanks interesting in your

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on the MPV compact as a whole as well. Well. Look,

0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I've i dug into the compact quite a bit about

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>fifteen or twenty years ago when it first started up.

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>The guy who founded the university of Phoenix was sort

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of the initial brainchild of this, by the way, for

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>what it's worth, and this goes back to two thousand

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and three, two thousand and four, two thousand and five,

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>memory serves, I have this vision. I remember packing my

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>office at the Hotline to move to NBC, and I

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>remember this guy's the voter Compact pamphlet wasn't a pamphlet.

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.719
<v Speaker 1>It was this massive if you remember the remember the

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>old chain Kinkos, It was like a Kinko's put together

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>book if you will, and I you know, just to

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 1>if people are going to wonder how this works. So

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that states, would you know, which is

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>do the thanks to the commerce clause reveralily where states

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>will agree that if if there are that the minute

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 1>there's enough states that add up to two hundred and

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 1>seventy electoral votes, then the states agree that their lectoral

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>votes will go to the winner of the popular vote.

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't trigger until there are enough states that

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>add up to two hundred and seventy electoral votes. And

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so it is, as you noted, we're up to two

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, so there's still there's still forty eight electoral

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 1>votes away. I haven't seen the latest list of states,

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>but I think a lot of the big states haven't

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:39.319
<v Speaker 1>done it yet, if I'm not mistaken, So I'm a

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 1>skeptic that it will be accepted by the public. I

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>think you would have. I mean, look at all of

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:51.839
<v Speaker 1>the rage you see among Nebraska Republicans Loan the loan

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>electoral vote that continues to nag at Republicans right with

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 1>oma sort of almost no consistently voting voting against the

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>state's interest, and the calls and demands for change, And

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the minute this compact has agreed to, the second estate

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>feels as if their votes cost their guy an election,

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>then there's going to be right. So I'm skeptical that

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this will ever even when it hits the requisite number,

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that it will ever be implemented. That essentially, this is

0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>an easy thing to say you're willing to do before

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you get to the number itself. Now on once you

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 1>catch the once you're the dog that catches the proverbial car,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 1>what actually happens here? What do you plan to do

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 1>with this? You know? I I'm I think we need

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a constitutional amendment to change this if you want to

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>change it. My work around these days is doubling the

0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 1>size of the house. If you did that, then you

0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 1>would write and the electoral college would follow the popular

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>vote in ninety eight percent of the circumstances, rather than

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>in the situation we're in now, which is only about

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:10.919
<v Speaker 1>something like eighty five to ninety percent of the time,

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>will the popular vote in the in the electoral vote

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 1>be the same winner, and that that GAP's a big deal.

0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 1>That's a big you know, as I like to say,

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, would you get on a plane that had

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 1>a ninety percent chance of landing safely? Would you get

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>on a plane that had a ninety nine percent chance

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of landing safely? Right? You do that all the time.

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Nothing's one hundred percent, But once you hear that it's

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>ninety how about eighty five? Right? Right? Then it's suddenly

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, I know, plenty of one in fifteen

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm fifteen percent chance things happen. There's a

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>ten percent chance of something happened. And wait a minute,

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:58.360
<v Speaker 1>that's that that could actually happen. So you know, I'm

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm so, I'm I'm skeptical that this would ever successfully

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 1>be implemented because I think there's states that have agreed

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to do it. You'll see, especially since we've become so

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>one party. I mean, look at a state like Virginia

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 1>suddenly as a one party controlled state. It's still kind

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of a I would argue, it's a fifty five to

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:20.440
<v Speaker 1>forty five dem lean overall, right, but it behaves like

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it's an eighty twenty state these days with its legislature

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and its democratic governance. Right, It's just like Mississippi's really

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>like a fifty five to forty five state, but it

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.879
<v Speaker 1>behaves in governance if it's an eighty twenty Republican state.

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And so that's where I you know, So I'm I needed,

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I needed a better analysis of how

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>many which states in there. But I just have a

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 1>feeling a bunch of them will chicken out when this starts,

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and just when it looks like they're getting to somebody,

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody will, you know, it'll be it'll be like Lucy

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in the football. You know, she'll pull it away. Some

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 1>state will withdraw from the compact, and all of a

0:53:55.440 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>sudden they're short again. So you know that it's my guess,

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.239
<v Speaker 1>And again I go back to the the easiest way

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to fix this is just expanding the House, then you

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>don't even need a constitutional amendment after that a constitutional amendment.

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 1>But I do think you're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get the constitutional amendment until you convince both parties

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.919
<v Speaker 1>that this will be helpful to that. And I think

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.760
<v Speaker 1>repealing the electoral college won't get you there, but expanding

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the House in theory benefits. You can make a case

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that it can strengthen both parties depending on how you

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 1>look at it. You know, shouldn't you have more voting

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 1>power in Congress than Wyoming has? Right? Shouldn't you have

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.239
<v Speaker 1>more voting power in Congress than Delaware has? Right? You

0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:44.880
<v Speaker 1>can make that case to a Republican state or a

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>democratic state. So that's why I sort of lean more

0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>in that territory. But thanks for asking about that. The

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:58.120
<v Speaker 1>MPV is always I got into it until I didn't.

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Kenny from Massapequa. Thank you for

0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>letting me say massive pequod approve that I can say it. Hey, Chuck,

0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I share your dad's love of coin collecting, and while

0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the bi centennial coins may not be worth much more

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:13.280
<v Speaker 1>than face value, sometimes the memories attached to them are priceless.

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>My wife and I also have a question, what's the

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>deal with daylight saving time? With Senator Rubio no longer

0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.319
<v Speaker 1>championing the issue in the Senate, is there anyone likely

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to take up the push to either keep it permanent

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 1>or in the clock changes together twice a year of

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the timeship disrupts sleep, commuting, and families. So is there

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:30.560
<v Speaker 1>any real chance Congress funally fixes it? Kenny from Massapequa Kenny,

0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I hope you heard my time Machine segment earlier this

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:37.760
<v Speaker 1>week on this very issue, the initial creation of time zones,

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>daylight saving and how often we've the problem is there

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 1>is no solution because the solution for you becomes a

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:50.280
<v Speaker 1>problem for somebody else. And I went through three different

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 1>periods of time where we had sort of permanent versions

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of you know, temporary permanent versions of our time and

0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the big the most recent attempt that we did this

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.920
<v Speaker 1>in seventy four to conserve energy during the energy crisis,

0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 1>where a year long daylight saving time is you basically

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.360
<v Speaker 1>had a hope. You know, there's a bunch of we

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 1>had actual accidents, Kids were killed at bus stops because

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>of traffic accidents before the sun came up, So you know,

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I think this is one of those cases where. And

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>this is why I enjoyed that time machine. You know,

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>before the Railroad's you know, every town noon was slightly

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 1>different and everybody used the sun to decide while it's

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>noon in Massapequa, which means it's eleven fifty nine some

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in the next town over, and it's eleven fifty eight

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 1>two towns from there. Right. So anyway, I encourage you

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>go check my last time Machine episode from the Monday episode.

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think that after you listen to that,

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.799
<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, oh, this is why it'll never change,

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:59.920
<v Speaker 1>because it's too complicated. There's no good answer because every

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 1>every you know, now, when we were in a grarian economy,

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 1>we just adjust it, you know. When living in this

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 1>fixed time zone, this is going to be this is

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be the challenge here. And I think everybody

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:18.479
<v Speaker 1>has different interests, right if you're you know, I remember

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.520
<v Speaker 1>as a little kid, I couldn't wait for daylight saving time,

0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and the older I've gotten, I resent daylight saving time, right,

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's another issue here, is that there's

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 1>just not a there's no clean there's no clean answer,

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and in some ways, going through the motions of trying

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how we took control of time as

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it is as a country and as a government. I

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>now feel I feel satisfied with my unsat with this unsatisfactory,

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable way that we've done this. Now, I do wish

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 1>we would at least, you know, we keep we keep

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 1>moving when we do daylight saving time more than the

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:00.920
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world does. I wish we would synchronize

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit better with other countries so that it went,

0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 1>all right, we're all going to move our we're all

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>going to move up an hour early here, but we

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 1>keep doing the mission creep and I think it also

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of messes things up there. All right, take one

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 1>more question. No, Actually, I got to end it there.

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to wrap things up here. Though. It is

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the best weekend of one of the best sports weekends

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 1>of the year. It's the first and second round of

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the NCAA Tournament. I will tell you I'm such an

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 1>addict about the NCAA Tournament that I instituted no hotline

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Fridays for in celebration of the NCAA Tournament. We would

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>literally put everybody we stop. We made Friday a holiday.

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 1>We published right before noon the twelve fifteen tip off

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:52.520
<v Speaker 1>on Thursday and everybody scattered. It was one of my

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:58.480
<v Speaker 1>prouder managerial decisions that I made. And that's how much

0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I love the NCAA tournament. I have a couple of

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 1>fun pools that I do want my favorite, and I've

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 1>been doing it with a group of friends probably almost

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 1>thirty years now, where there's eight of us and we

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>do a draft. You know, we all throw two hundred

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:15.760
<v Speaker 1>bucks in and we do a draft, and we'd do

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.000
<v Speaker 1>eight teams and randomized pick. So then you go through

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know you you basically have. So I thought

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 1>i'd have some fun and share with you quickly what

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 1>those what those picks are. It is so I and

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the draft, I had the fourth pick, so I got Florida.

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>They were the remaining number one seed, and I came

0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 1>really close to drafting Houston, but I didn't want to

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 1>leave a one seed on board, said Florida. And then

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 1>when it came back to me in the Snake draft,

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I got Arkansas. Then I have Wisconsin, Miami, Saint Louis,

0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>South Florida, Wright State, and Howard you get for every

0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:59.200
<v Speaker 1>win your team gets, you you get and everybody throws

0:59:59.240 --> 1:00:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a pile of money into the pool. So you know,

1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.720
<v Speaker 1>there have been years where people have gotten two Final

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:06.960
<v Speaker 1>four teams with their team, and there are years they

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:12.240
<v Speaker 1>are limited after the first weekend. Sometimes it's a bit random,

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:14.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's one of my favorite pools that I do.

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But like, you end up with teams you don't necessarily

1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.400
<v Speaker 1>want to root for, Like I'm like, really Florida, but

1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't gonna leave them on the board. I

1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>don't enjoy rooting for them, but at least now if

1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:27.160
<v Speaker 1>they win, I might win something. But I do. I

1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:29.400
<v Speaker 1>am happy, Like I went out of my way to

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:30.920
<v Speaker 1>draft Miami, and I went out of my way to

1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:34.720
<v Speaker 1>draft Saint Louis An A ten team for Chocolate up

1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:38.919
<v Speaker 1>GW SO. But my in case you're wondering the final

1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.440
<v Speaker 1>four that I read to Tony Kornheiser, my participation in

1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 1>their bracket challenge Arizona Duke Houston, and I have Houston

1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>beating Florida there in Arizona, I have Houston winning the

1:00:54.600 --> 1:01:02.640
<v Speaker 1>whole thing over I think I've Houston beating Michigan in

1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the final game. I believe that's what I ended up doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So and if you're wondering what my first early round

1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 1>upsets are. I will say the only twelve seeds that

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<v Speaker 1>intrigued me Akron Akron is one that I put in

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<v Speaker 1>my pool to go a couple of rounds. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that one of the eleven seeds will do

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<v Speaker 1>a little something for me. That's South Florida. I have

1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:33.720
<v Speaker 1>them going around or too on that front. But mostly

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I think this is going to be chalky, chalky, chalky chalky,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of ones and twos in the Elite eight, with

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<v Speaker 1>maybe only Saint John's blowing up that party and being

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<v Speaker 1>the highest seed remaining in come the Elite eight. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess is the johnnies at five. If anybody over a

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<v Speaker 1>five seed gets to the Elite eight, my guess is

1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that it would be boy I struggle. You know two

1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:07.920
<v Speaker 1>A month ago, I might have said Saint Louis, I

1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.400
<v Speaker 1>don't buy it now. And a month ago I might

1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:15.120
<v Speaker 1>have said Miami, but I don't think we're deep enough

1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to make that type of run. But I like Miami's path.

1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't hate Miami's path. I think they can knock

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<v Speaker 1>Purdue off in the second round, and obviously they pull

1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that off, then hey, then anything is possible. So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. Enjoy the weekend, enjoy college basketball. It's a

1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:37.560
<v Speaker 1>good way to distract yourself from the craziness that is

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<v Speaker 1>the world and this country in politics. Thanks for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll see them on that