Speaker 1: The ladies of Beverly Hills are still on their never
Speaker 1: ending Hong Kong trip, and the drama continues. The whole
Speaker 1: reason for the trip was to visit the dog rescue,
Speaker 1: but it looks like shopping and accusations were higher up
Speaker 1: on the priority list. Lisa Rinna defends her accusations about dRIT,
Speaker 1: but was she just to mean? Kathy Schwartz from The
Speaker 1: Golden Bachelor joins me to recap this episode. This is
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season seven, episode seventeen, From
Speaker 1: Dogs to Diamonds.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Hi.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Bethany.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet.
Speaker 3: You, to meet you as well.
Speaker 2: How is life?
Speaker 3: Life is great? I have a request of you.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, let's do it. Let's hear.
Speaker 3: I hate to shop. Next time I'm wherever you are,
Speaker 3: will you take me to Marshalls please?
Speaker 2: Oh yes? Or TJ. I know it's crazy, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: People are obsessed with this and it was like such
Speaker 1: a weird like, oh no, I.
Speaker 3: Watched the ones in your closet. I mean I'm just
Speaker 3: like that's so not in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: So what's going on? Like, what's how's your life change? Like,
Speaker 1: what's happening? What's the you know, what's the update?
Speaker 3: So the update is everyone seems to have a date
Speaker 3: but me. But you know, I'm getting used to that.
Speaker 3: Life is good. You know, I come home, the show
Speaker 3: was great fun. I come home to my three kids,
Speaker 3: two granddaughters, two geriatric cats, and life goes on?
Speaker 2: Does life go on? Though? How is life change? Like?
Speaker 2: What is now?
Speaker 3: So? You know, I've had some opportunities to do some
Speaker 3: fun things with iHeartRadio, and some fun things with the
Speaker 3: Bachelor franchise, and you know, a bunch of us are
Speaker 3: going to get together next week and wash from the
Speaker 3: Golden Batcheorette in DC. And I think it's just more
Speaker 3: having fun for me. I coming back from that show,
Speaker 3: I just realized that, you know, it sounds so tripe,
Speaker 3: but every day's precious and I just kind of like
Speaker 3: to have fun. So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: And how has the experience been and changed your life for?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you know? I mean, what do you think
Speaker 2: about the experience?
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I knew pretty pretty quickly that
Speaker 3: Gary and I were going to be in the friend zone.
Speaker 3: So for me, I was able to really quickly say Okay,
Speaker 3: this is going to be fun, this is going to
Speaker 3: be an adventure. And it was. I made great friends,
Speaker 3: and I loved watching the you know, watching the machinations
Speaker 3: of the show and how they do what they do.
Speaker 3: And I came home with a bunch of friends. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I didn't find the guide. But you know what,
Speaker 3: what were the other.
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I ask how old you are?
Speaker 3: Well, you're probably the only one in this country who
Speaker 3: doesn't know at this point, but I am seventy. They
Speaker 3: put it up on when you're on the show. It's
Speaker 3: you know, Kathy Austin, Texas, seventy years old.
Speaker 2: So what is dating like?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is that? Actually it does not exist?
Speaker 1: Or what is it?
Speaker 2: What's the real deal?
Speaker 3: The real deal? I only speak trust me, I'm such
Speaker 3: a I am a real reality person here. I haven't
Speaker 3: had a date since the show. I had been dating
Speaker 3: a guy up until about on a four or five
Speaker 3: months before the show began. It's been about a year
Speaker 3: since I've had a date. I've got a couple of
Speaker 3: guy friends we do stuff with.
Speaker 1: But do you feel like you have game? And what's
Speaker 1: your age range? When you were twenty three, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to be married by twenty five, And then
Speaker 1: you were thirty seven and you were breaking off an
Speaker 1: engagement or still single and hadn't had a kid yet,
Speaker 1: and then that you thought you were old, and then
Speaker 1: you get you know what I mean, It's like Charlie Brown,
Speaker 1: the football keeps moving and honestly speaking, I still feel young,
Speaker 1: and not in a way that's like vitamin.
Speaker 2: Commercial, just literally.
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes we're delusional because we're not aware
Speaker 1: of how you know what I'm saying, Like, it's great
Speaker 1: that we feel young, but like you look at guys
Speaker 1: or girls and you think they're like around your age
Speaker 1: because you feel young, but they're not.
Speaker 2: They're much younger. They're living a different experience.
Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, like what it really is, like,
Speaker 1: like who do you feel like you could date, and
Speaker 1: what are you looking for and what age range and
Speaker 1: like what is the real story with that?
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just by way of answering, let
Speaker 3: me just give you a little bit of my history.
Speaker 3: I was married at twenty years old, and my husband
Speaker 3: passed away by suicide almost five years ago, so I
Speaker 3: was married forty six years, just short of forty six years.
Speaker 3: So my situation wasn't that of dating in my twenties
Speaker 3: and thirties. You know, I have kids when I turn thirty,
Speaker 3: and so I'm sort of living life in reverse because
Speaker 3: now I am dating and meeting people, not today but
Speaker 3: in general. So my problem is, yes, I am seventy,
Speaker 3: but I am incredibly fit, and I do every sport
Speaker 3: I can do, and I love to travel, and I
Speaker 3: have tons of energy. And most of the men I've
Speaker 3: said it, I don't know if you've heard it, I
Speaker 3: call them used to guys. I'm tired of used to guys.
Speaker 3: They used to play tennis, they used to ski, they
Speaker 3: used to kayak, and now they sit on the sofa.
Speaker 3: So that's been my experience that culturally men want to
Speaker 3: date younger women. That's our culture seeming for the most part.
Speaker 3: And men who reach out to me are older and
Speaker 3: don't really have energy, and that just doesn't work. So
Speaker 3: what I get the younger guy, sure, but they're not
Speaker 3: reaching out to me. If they have any snap, they're
Speaker 3: looking at you.
Speaker 1: Right, It's a it's a slipper, it's a sliding scale.
Speaker 1: So I think though there's probably like seven to nine
Speaker 1: years in each direction. Like in other words, you could
Speaker 1: be with a young seventy eight, and I think you
Speaker 1: could be with a sixty three who's like confident and
Speaker 1: secure because they weren't looking at the number.
Speaker 2: They were looking at an app.
Speaker 1: They saw your picture and they just liked it and
Speaker 1: then they were like, Okay, let's try this.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's a it's a psychological game.
Speaker 1: I think I find that men who have more than
Speaker 1: one child and who have been through it don't want
Speaker 1: someone too much younger because the references are different than like,
Speaker 1: it's it seems like another bowl of aggravation.
Speaker 3: Well, I would like to agree with you, but that
Speaker 3: has not been my experience. When I was on the
Speaker 3: dating apps up until you're right before one of the show,
Speaker 3: I never had younger men reach out to me unless
Speaker 3: they were thirty five and they wanted to be my child,
Speaker 3: which is a whole different conversation. You know, I didn't
Speaker 3: have younger guys. Most of the men that reached out
Speaker 3: to me were sixty nine to eighty.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I get that that does track.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I'm a thinking and also, you know,
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like a sixty one year old reaches out to you.
Speaker 1: You're walking in insecure, are already thinking about it like
Speaker 1: that's annoying too, feeling like there's like a chip on
Speaker 1: the shoulder of it, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you're thinking.
Speaker 3: Do what I will say. I'm a very confident, secure person,
Speaker 3: so that really wouldn't bother me. What what I'm looking
Speaker 3: for may or may not be found, But I'm okay.
Speaker 3: I had to get okay. I wasn't okay when my
Speaker 3: husband first died. But I've gotten I've gotten good being
Speaker 3: by myself and living my life. And if you know,
Speaker 3: I live my life the way I want to, and
Speaker 3: if the right person comes into my life, that would
Speaker 3: be great. But I'm not. That's not that is not
Speaker 3: my life goal now to find a man.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also interesting because you said you were married
Speaker 1: for so many years and you're just used to relationship.
Speaker 1: If you were someone who had spent many years single,
Speaker 1: it would be challenging wanting to go back in and
Speaker 1: be bound to someone like in other words, you did that.
Speaker 1: Many friends that I have that are married say if
Speaker 1: they got divorced, they would never want to get married again,
Speaker 1: Like they don't understand why you're going to have kids
Speaker 1: or or there's some financial reason.
Speaker 2: They're like, why would why get married again?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't get married. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that I agreed to some extent. You know,
Speaker 3: I have my kids, I have my life, and really
Speaker 3: I don't want to cook, you know, do your own laundry,
Speaker 3: pick up your socks. You know, I've played that game.
Speaker 3: So it would have to be a really special guy
Speaker 3: that had had good energy and wanted to travel and
Speaker 3: and have fun, because there's enough misery in this world
Speaker 3: that if you get the chance to go and have
Speaker 3: fun and live life, why not. But I just haven't met.
Speaker 2: Them, Okay, all right, Well it's interesting. I just think.
Speaker 2: And you're on the apps or you gave a break.
Speaker 3: You haven't been on them since I came back.
Speaker 2: You just don't it's depressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I'm just kind of living
Speaker 3: my life and enjoying what I do for me. And
Speaker 3: if i've you know, I've met a few guys inadvertently,
Speaker 3: but nobody that I really wanted to much time with.
Speaker 1: I don't think, No, I think because of mingle my mocktail.
Speaker 1: Actually this is mingle my mocktail. We're talking. I was
Speaker 1: saying something for Valentine's Day, single and ready to mingle,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to a couple of people I
Speaker 1: know who are in the dating app.
Speaker 2: Business as a business.
Speaker 1: Someone wanted me to invest and I I know someone
Speaker 1: who runs one of the apps and is also a matchmaker.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I think you should.
Speaker 1: I think you have to be on the I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying this because years ago I was the
Speaker 1: last one to even contemplate this. It felt so I
Speaker 1: felt so exposed. But I think the apps are amazing.
Speaker 1: You just have to like know how to play them.
Speaker 1: I think it's like anything else. I think it's like
Speaker 1: being in a bar, and some people have game in
Speaker 1: a bar and some people don't. And some people have
Speaker 1: game on the apps and some people don't.
Speaker 3: And I think you have I think I think I
Speaker 3: have gained. But the one thing that I cannot surmount
Speaker 3: or haven't been able to, is age. And I will
Speaker 3: say I've gone out with a few men who say,
Speaker 3: you know, you're just too independent, You're too active for me.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna dumb it down, I'm out of here,
Speaker 2: of course. No, I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 1: You don't have a game in who you are game
Speaker 1: and how to play the apps too. I think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a necessary strategy in how to play the
Speaker 1: apps as a game. So I don't think everybody has
Speaker 1: that or the patience you get like full and grossed out,
Speaker 1: like you're like swiping and you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you remember I saw I'm originally from the Northeast.
Speaker 3: I'm from outside of Boston, and I don't have that
Speaker 3: personality that says, you know, bless your little heart. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty direct and straightforward and that doesn't necessarily play so
Speaker 3: well in Texas.
Speaker 2: But that's where you are now, Texas.
Speaker 3: I live in Austin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great, all right, well very interesting.
Speaker 1: I usually don't talk that much before rewives, but I
Speaker 1: just was interested in you.
Speaker 2: So thank you. Uh you're beautiful and.
Speaker 1: Less the journey take you where it's going to go,
Speaker 1: But I think it's I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So have you are you a Housewives fan to begin
Speaker 1: with or is this like a new foray into it.
Speaker 3: It has been a new foray into it for me
Speaker 3: and I have to tell you, I struggle a little
Speaker 3: bit because the episodes I've watched from previous years are
Speaker 3: previous seasons. The brunettes I can keep straight, but the
Speaker 3: blondes all kind of look the same to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's funny, and well, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I could see that in certain ways with some of
Speaker 1: these girls. Well, we're going to get into it. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you have a fresh perspective. This is Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: It's currently the most popular and most successful of the franchise.
Speaker 1: I think the one of the characters in Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: is the b roll and showing the wealth, or you know,
Speaker 1: at least the.
Speaker 2: Exhibited wealth.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not everybody has what they say that have,
Speaker 1: but they're showing whatever it is. And this is an
Speaker 1: episode that was season seven before everybody popped off in
Speaker 1: certain ways. And I was writing this down because in
Speaker 1: certain scenes, certain women here hadn't started their air mes era,
Speaker 1: hadn't started like their real like wealth showoff era and
Speaker 1: their glam era. So we'll get into that. But all right,
Speaker 1: So these girls go to dinner in Hong Kong. They're
Speaker 1: on a trip to Hong Kong because Lisa vander Pump
Speaker 1: is bringing them to see the rescue dogs, which is
Speaker 1: amazing because I mean, it's it's we don't really think
Speaker 1: about that that much. And the fact that they eat
Speaker 1: dog and there are pets, that's that's brutal.
Speaker 2: So that's the There.
Speaker 1: Always needs to be on the Housewives, some sort of
Speaker 1: foundation for why a trip is happening, even though production
Speaker 1: is paying for the trip and the hotel and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, or getting in integration.
Speaker 2: That's that's that part.
Speaker 1: So I didn't see the dinner, but Lisa rinna uh
Speaker 1: I guess had been accused of doing xanax or taking
Speaker 1: xanax cocktails smoothies, and she then point blank says to Dori,
Speaker 1: were people doing cocaine at your house? Because everyone left
Speaker 1: the table and went to the bathroom. So what do
Speaker 1: you think of this exchange?
Speaker 3: Well, I have to say, when I heard that, it
Speaker 3: sort of came out of in my mind, came out
Speaker 3: of nowhere, right. But I thought that Derek's answer was
Speaker 3: I loved it. Well, I certainly wasn't, which just me
Speaker 3: opened up a whole can of worms. You know, it's
Speaker 3: not always what you say, but sometimes what you don't
Speaker 3: say or how you say it.
Speaker 1: So, so you thought something did go she did something
Speaker 1: did go down? It is it is something I can't
Speaker 1: imagine Lisa Rinna saying if there wasn't any foundation, she
Speaker 1: is a resident shit sir. That's no longer on the show,
Speaker 1: but it still did when you looked at the thing
Speaker 1: from the table, where did everybody go?
Speaker 2: And by the way, people are.
Speaker 1: Stupid enough to do cocaine while shooting a housewife show
Speaker 1: the activation and you would know this and the there's
Speaker 1: an activation and like a nervous system and adrenaline of
Speaker 1: shooting reality TV that like people get excited about everything.
Speaker 1: So I could see that actually happening. I don't remember
Speaker 1: the scene or anything, but I could see that actually happening,
Speaker 1: and you're right.
Speaker 2: Her answer was good, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean so, so you know, I I think that I
Speaker 3: think you're right. In that moment, they're sort of forgetting that.
Speaker 3: I love I love the the you know, the face
Speaker 3: covering the head, and they're all sort of looking that.
Speaker 3: The dramatics were just great.
Speaker 1: Right because they all probably knew about this ahead of time.
Speaker 1: But everyone has everyone half the cast as an actress.
Speaker 1: So that's the other thing. So four out of six
Speaker 1: women there are actresses, so it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: it could be it's somebody asks.
Speaker 3: You if they if they want to be actresses. It's
Speaker 3: questionable to me, why would you? Why would you? I
Speaker 3: can think of a lot of conversations I might have
Speaker 3: with a group of women, some women I like better
Speaker 3: than others. But would you really want to have that
Speaker 3: conversation about cocaine in a bathroom if you were trying,
Speaker 3: if you weren't aspiring anything.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. Here's the thing about the housewives.
Speaker 1: So one time Jill Zarren did a deal with Kodak,
Speaker 1: and Ramona on camera said to her, why would you
Speaker 1: do a deal with Kodak? It's so archaic, which like
Speaker 1: ruined the relationship. And once it's out there, the producers
Speaker 1: love that anything bad the producers love, and so it's airing.
Speaker 1: So there's always going to be a risk of reputational risk.
Speaker 1: You could have a party for your amazing product, but
Speaker 1: if someone else says something shitty about it, which invariably happened.
Speaker 2: It's happened on Atlanta.
Speaker 1: If someone has their hair extensions, or someone has a
Speaker 1: fitness video or some so someone's going to say something
Speaker 1: crappy about your brand no matter what, and there's always
Speaker 1: going to be there's always going to.
Speaker 2: Be a risk. And that's the thing about being on
Speaker 2: the Housewives.
Speaker 1: People ruin their careers and no matter what, no matter
Speaker 1: whether it's Kyle, Eileen or Lisa, the same opportunities in
Speaker 1: acting don't come up or you have to work extra
Speaker 1: hard to get them because you've now gone onto a
Speaker 1: different type of reality TV and you're not taken as
Speaker 1: seriously as an actress.
Speaker 2: So you have to lean into this spot.
Speaker 3: And I think that, I mean, this show has been
Speaker 3: on you would know how many seasons, so clearly, clearly
Speaker 3: whatever is going on, the machinations, the families, the issues,
Speaker 3: the personal issues. If people love it it's entertaining.
Speaker 2: Well that's the price.
Speaker 1: The price is you're going to come in and someone's
Speaker 1: going to say you do cocaine, And that's what you
Speaker 1: have to give up to get paid and be relevant
Speaker 1: and famous. By the way, speaking of age, for many
Speaker 1: women in their fifties, where where are they getting a
Speaker 1: job to make this kind of money when they've already
Speaker 1: they've been married, they've spent their life on someone else
Speaker 1: or their kids, or they used to be to bring
Speaker 1: up your language, used to be a countess, used to
Speaker 1: be married to account, used to be married to a
Speaker 1: Morgan on JP Morgan, used to be married to Kelsey Grammar,
Speaker 1: who you know was? They were all the plus ones.
Speaker 1: So now they are the main characters. And at this age,
Speaker 1: the price to pay is someone's going to say you
Speaker 1: did cocaine. And if someone thinks something about you, they're
Speaker 1: always going to bring it out, no matter how salacious
Speaker 1: it is, because that's what keeps you alive as a
Speaker 1: cast member on the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't argue with what you're saying. I guess,
Speaker 3: but I don't think necessarily women who do that show
Speaker 3: think of it as a pejorative situation to be and
Speaker 3: they know they've been on the show many seasons, they
Speaker 3: make money from it, they have fun, they want to
Speaker 3: do it. No one's forcing them to do it.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I've had this reality reckoning that
Speaker 1: I brought up because of people who have left the show,
Speaker 1: and it's ruined their lives. Not really the people who
Speaker 1: have stayed on. It's more people who have left or
Speaker 1: have been fired or cast aside It's like many other things.
Speaker 1: Some people are crushing it and other people are really
Speaker 1: getting crushed and walking into it. You may not know
Speaker 1: which pile you're going to end up in. You may
Speaker 1: not have what it takes to say that somebody else
Speaker 1: was doing cocaine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, well, and that, you know, for for me,
Speaker 3: for my foray into reality TV obviously has been The
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, and that's a very different situation because our
Speaker 3: women were very supportive of each other. Our show was
Speaker 3: about finding love and friendship and it really was about that.
Speaker 3: So so this has seems to have a different premise, yes,
Speaker 3: but there seems to be buy into it and certainly
Speaker 3: a great amount of financial remuneration for these women and
Speaker 3: success for the network. So you know what I can't
Speaker 3: You know what can I say?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing, We're just commenting on the episode.
Speaker 3: I just want their clothes and their shoes and their jewelry,
Speaker 3: and I want someone else to buy them for me.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well. The thing is that at this era it hadn't
Speaker 1: popped off yet. So Erica, the one who went to
Speaker 1: be on Young and the Restless, she came in and
Speaker 1: she changed the fashion and closing jewelry narrative on the
Speaker 1: show because she came in and she was in costume
Speaker 1: every scene, like she has a different hair, doing a
Speaker 1: different outfit, a different necklace, and she has a stylist crew.
Speaker 1: And she ended up getting into trouble because her husband
Speaker 1: was stealing money and they kind of she got caught
Speaker 1: in the crossfire. And then where did all this money
Speaker 1: come from? So there was a lot of her expense
Speaker 1: it's expensive to be me, and the planes she was
Speaker 1: flying on, and she was kind of a lot of show,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't a lot of go because he owed
Speaker 1: everybody money. So it was like a perfect Housewives thing,
Speaker 1: But she came in really spending on the role and
Speaker 1: it really raised everyone else's game. At this point, Dorie
Speaker 1: is doing her hair differently for events, but it's not
Speaker 1: like a full on costume. And now in twenty twenty four, Dorie,
Speaker 1: every single hair style moment is a moment. And Lisa
Speaker 1: Rinna used to wear the same sheath dress and the
Speaker 1: same haircut throughout an entire episode a season. Then later
Speaker 1: on she came in and became a fashionista and fought
Speaker 1: and copied Erica and like the different hairstyles, and even
Speaker 1: Kyle used to not like now her air mes bag
Speaker 1: is front and center, and like everyone stepped up their
Speaker 1: fashion game. I must give the credit to Erica Dorit
Speaker 1: kind of copied Erica a little, and then everybody copied
Speaker 1: Doriat and Erica. But I want to give the credit
Speaker 1: to the ones who started. It's really Erica and then
Speaker 1: Dori Eat, and then Lisa Renna and Kyle fell In.
Speaker 1: But now it's like a fashion show in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: of labels and logos at another level.
Speaker 3: And I can only say that is probably not well
Speaker 3: be hanging my hat next week, because I would just
Speaker 3: I'll be the one sweeping the floors and doing the
Speaker 3: dishes in the kitchen. I mean, I just I couldn't
Speaker 3: even imagine trying to keep up with that.
Speaker 1: I could, by the way, I couldn't either. It would
Speaker 1: not be enjoyable for me.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: It's not real either, That's the thing. It's not real.
Speaker 1: It's costume. But they've created this world where this particular
Speaker 1: show is more about the theatrics, and that's what the
Speaker 1: Housewise has evolved to be about in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: It's more of a stage performance than like a gritty,
Speaker 1: real performance.
Speaker 3: Okay, but let me ask you, do you think I
Speaker 3: think a lot. Again, my first foray into this was
Speaker 3: Golden Matcher. But I think there is such a place
Speaker 3: for reality TV. I think a lot of my friends,
Speaker 3: my daughter watches a lot of reality TV, and they
Speaker 3: all say the same thing, that it's entertaining, it's fun.
Speaker 3: They like you know, they like feeling and being a
Speaker 3: part of someone's exciting quote unquote life. Right, you know
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? I don't really have a problem
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: No, I don't really have a problem with it either.
Speaker 1: In less people are unless people are being exploited, and
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying before, But that's a separate, complete,
Speaker 1: separate topic.
Speaker 2: Everyone here wants.
Speaker 1: To be here, and at this point in twenty twenty four, yes,
Speaker 1: after all that's been discussed said, people are there because
Speaker 1: they sign up for it.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: You sign up for it, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1: There's been enough knowledge about the fact that it could
Speaker 1: go sideways or you could do really well, and that's
Speaker 1: a risk you take. So whenever people ask me if
Speaker 1: they should do it, I really don't even answer, because
Speaker 1: it's really up to them. They've seen what it could
Speaker 1: be or what it can't be? The woman Eden, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's the one who buys eric a ring. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear her say a word the whole entire episode. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how many episodes she was on or
Speaker 1: how many seasons she could have been a mummy.
Speaker 3: So that is so funny you say that because when
Speaker 3: I watched the episode, and you know, they at the
Speaker 3: beginning they show the women who they are, their names,
Speaker 3: and then this woman eating shows up buying a ring
Speaker 3: for her friend, and I'm like, wait, did I miss
Speaker 3: something here? Because I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2: I still don't either, so yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 3: That's you know, okay, good, I feel little. It gives
Speaker 3: me hope that I can pop it into an into
Speaker 3: an episode and wait, what's she doing?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, no idea where she came from,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how long she was on.
Speaker 2: I assume one season.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The part that fascinated me was p K Dorri's
Speaker 3: husband seemed so invested in talking about Lisa, you know,
Speaker 3: just talking.
Speaker 2: About love you exactly. We're going there, We're going there.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was ghost to ask about the
Speaker 1: price for the ring? Even within the constructs of a
Speaker 1: television show, or it gave context.
Speaker 2: It gave context like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think to me, I I didn't even
Speaker 3: go there where I was laughing. I picked up right
Speaker 3: away that she was giving the foreign exchange. So it
Speaker 3: was not eleven thousand whatever it was yen or wherever. So,
Speaker 3: but to me it was comical that, oh, it was
Speaker 3: only one hundred and seventy dollars, never mind buy me
Speaker 3: something more expensive. I mean, because she did not pick
Speaker 3: up on it right away that it was not US dollars.
Speaker 1: Well, if it was seventeen thousand, she was gonna have
Speaker 1: to be this girl's best friend.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't be bought. Are you really good
Speaker 3: at if someone buys me a seventeen thousand dollars ring,
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask, have you lost your mind? I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just not He's not what friendship is.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It seems like that girl, because she doesn't have isn't
Speaker 1: speaking a lot and probably can't find her way to
Speaker 1: get in like the double Dutch game and jump in
Speaker 1: she was buying to like, you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: I see that it was only one hundred and seventy dollars.
Speaker 1: But these women, many of these women can be bought,
Speaker 1: so it's expensive to be Erica. And if it was
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand, Eric, I would have just had to, you know,
Speaker 1: take a hit and be her best friend. So luckily
Speaker 1: it was one hundred and seventy and we move on.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the dogs?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, I thought it was so sweet and sad
Speaker 1: and it broke my heart.
Speaker 3: It did. My family's always had dogs. My daughter rescued
Speaker 3: a dog. I rescue two kittens at five weeks old
Speaker 3: from the pound. We're big rescue family. Hair. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's hard to watch seeing that. I mean, I love
Speaker 3: that there is that message coming through. That's a good
Speaker 3: message to come through that show. So yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: that was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great message to come through that show.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. And Lisa vander Pump, who is you know,
Speaker 1: running that dog charity, She's the one on the show
Speaker 1: that's the most It's funny that I think the audience
Speaker 1: either never totally caught onto it or really caught onto it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't care because she's like the is it Crystal Carrington.
Speaker 1: She's the one who's like constantly working machinations in her mind,
Speaker 1: Like every word she chooses it's like designed for some
Speaker 1: strategic purpose, like she's moving the board around at all times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although maybe, but I also think she's she seems
Speaker 3: to be somewhat empathetic to to at certain times in
Speaker 3: the show. I can't pull one up right now in
Speaker 3: my head. But but the thing that stood out to
Speaker 3: me about her, I want to go to one of
Speaker 3: her parties. I want that guy to come and decorate
Speaker 3: my house. I mean, or can I be one of
Speaker 3: her ponies? I know, I want the glitter on my nails,
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why she was a big loss on
Speaker 1: the Housewives, Like they lost her and some housewives. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was a good housewife to begin with, but then
Speaker 1: also losing the character that like has the trappings, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And yeah I do, But I just something just struck
Speaker 3: me when you said she's a good housewife, the irony
Speaker 3: of saying that, because traditionally, when you see someone's a
Speaker 3: good housewife in my generation, you know, they keep a
Speaker 3: clean house, they take care of the kids, they do
Speaker 3: the long Being a good housewife in this series has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with any of those things.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: It has to do with entertaining and like I said,
Speaker 1: being strategy and having a good backdrop, which she has,
Speaker 1: and she's got some good lines.
Speaker 2: But she's like, she's like a nice villain. I can't
Speaker 2: explain it.
Speaker 1: She's like a villain because you know, she's always like
Speaker 1: plotting something, but it's landing.
Speaker 2: That's why she's a good villain. It's landing.
Speaker 3: It's landing and it's working. And and you know, to
Speaker 3: your point, if you if you're smart enough to be
Speaker 3: on that show, you better be smart enough to figure
Speaker 3: out your next steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was always playing the game, and other people
Speaker 1: are pretending they're not playing the game and like it's
Speaker 1: real when it isn't real. So at least she's like
Speaker 1: fully coming out with it, but some people are. I mean,
Speaker 1: people would say I was. I was certainly real if
Speaker 1: nothing else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well my middle name is real. So I mean
Speaker 3: they would get what they paid for with me, I
Speaker 3: can assure.
Speaker 1: You, yes, So Erica and Eileen. I liked that acting scene.
Speaker 1: I thought Erica was pretty good. I thought she was
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: I think you know, I think they I thought it
Speaker 3: was very sad that they ruined that pretty jacket to
Speaker 3: the coffee. But you know, that's just the.
Speaker 1: Price of that's the price, and it was buy a
Speaker 1: cheap o jacket, not a couture jacket, but.
Speaker 3: P K.
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting because he's like a housewife. Simon
Speaker 1: years ago was on our show, was Alex's husband. He
Speaker 1: was like in the drama. He was at women's events
Speaker 1: and he was in the drama and you were picking
Speaker 1: up you earlier were picking up that. It's like almost
Speaker 1: like they've given him the script ahead of time for
Speaker 1: the scene, and he knows the beats to hit. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to like take a few swipes at
Speaker 1: certain housewives. But you know, and there's also something admirable.
Speaker 1: He lives for his wife. He's loyal to her to
Speaker 1: a fault. He'll buy her anything, even if he probably
Speaker 1: can't even afford everything he's buying her because they live
Speaker 1: a life that's crazy. And you know, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation about that, but you know, it's endearing
Speaker 1: that he loves her so much. But every single word
Speaker 1: is another swipe and another housewife.
Speaker 3: Well you know, wait, can we just back up for
Speaker 3: a second. How many times I was trying to think,
Speaker 3: did my husband ever pick up the phone and call
Speaker 3: me in the house and say, honey, come down and
Speaker 3: have a drink with me. Oh right, let's start with that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then you know he stands across he's serving her.
Speaker 3: I just that whole scene was incredible. But I think
Speaker 3: that again, in my life, my husband would no more
Speaker 3: have wanted to be involved in that. So I was
Speaker 3: fascinated that he It seemed like they are a cocktail
Speaker 3: hour chat. Literally that's you know, how was your day, honey? Well,
Speaker 3: you know I had a business meeting and I nope,
Speaker 3: their day was about what Lisa Renna had to I mean,
Speaker 3: it just it just wouldn't happen in my.
Speaker 1: Word, by the way, it would never happen in my world.
Speaker 1: I would never I've never dated a man who would
Speaker 1: be interested in going deep on something like that, and
Speaker 1: like you said, so invested in a very nice, politically correct,
Speaker 1: diplomatic way.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a little.
Speaker 1: And I think it's gone on throughout the season because
Speaker 1: certain husbands want, like may want to be main character
Speaker 1: energy and like some husbands dissolve in the background, and
Speaker 1: some jump right in front of that camera and love it.
Speaker 1: Like there's a guy on Jersey Melissa Gorgo's husband. He
Speaker 1: jumps right in front and loves to be the star.
Speaker 1: Simon on our show used to some husbands really like
Speaker 1: the light. You could tell the p K likes the light,
Speaker 1: wants to be part of it, and the producers like
Speaker 1: him too. I'm sure and I'm sure you know and
Speaker 1: it but it does seem a little put on. This
Speaker 1: like cocktail hour and call it seems a little put
Speaker 1: on for the show.
Speaker 3: A vacuum in a vacuum, Yes, uh, because he's just
Speaker 3: there for that scene and and obviously it develops and
Speaker 3: there's and there's more going on. It was the same
Speaker 3: thing with Mauricio with when she's cutting the you know,
Speaker 3: with the pinking chairs, cutting the dress off, and he's
Speaker 3: kind of looking at the word on. We came to mind,
Speaker 3: like completely bored.
Speaker 1: Right right, Like he gives a shit about a lace's
Speaker 1: bottom dress exactly, and he's saying that's fair too.
Speaker 3: Again I could again, I just went back thinking, you know,
Speaker 3: my husband, would you know, take you know, get the
Speaker 3: thing on. We got fifteen minutes, let's go. It would
Speaker 3: not be lounging in a chair talking about the issues
Speaker 3: around one leg longer than the other address. I found
Speaker 3: that humorous for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the you listen, you're not watching to
Speaker 1: watch everybody just like you.
Speaker 2: You know, if I.
Speaker 1: Have had Paul like carry my beach toe because it is
Speaker 1: a little heavy because it's carrying both of us stuff
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to be wearing like a Chanell
Speaker 1: beach tote.
Speaker 2: Isn't like the way and no one's even seeing it.
Speaker 1: It's just like he would not be until like doing
Speaker 1: a gaggle of gossip on the housewives either.
Speaker 3: But let me say Bethany isn't part of this show again.
Speaker 3: The people I know who are really invested in the show,
Speaker 3: they love the labels and the looking at the homes
Speaker 3: and all the quote unquote finery. That's part of what
Speaker 3: makes this show so successful, I think.
Speaker 1: No, that's that it's performative, and people are cast now
Speaker 1: more than ever for how wealthy they look to be.
Speaker 1: There could be an amazing character, and there have been,
Speaker 1: but their apartments aren't great and the producers are kind
Speaker 1: of telling them they have to improve their their whereabouts.
Speaker 1: And when I started, we didn't even have hair and makeup.
Speaker 1: And you look at me right now, I have no
Speaker 1: makeup on I'm sitting home in a card again, this
Speaker 1: is what it was like in the beginning, because I
Speaker 1: thought I was doing a reality show, and I do
Speaker 1: think there are shows like that that are It's really
Speaker 1: it's funny because no one calls it this. It's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a docuseries, and they don't use that name
Speaker 1: that much anymore because it really doesn't feel docused.
Speaker 3: It supposed to be a docuseries.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: That's what it's pitched as initially a docuseries, So that's
Speaker 1: what that's We've never discussed this before, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Housewives was intended and sold in rooms to be a docuseries.
Speaker 1: That's that's what the format is for Housewives, and a
Speaker 1: lot of these shows they don't really use that terminology
Speaker 1: that much, presumably because it doesn't feel docu at all anymore.
Speaker 1: But when and if you look at the first seasons
Speaker 1: of Myself and Jill's Arn and Alex and Simon, the
Speaker 1: houses weren't perfect, We weren't perfect, the backdrops weren't perfect,
Speaker 1: there was no makeup or the glam wasn't perfect. It
Speaker 1: was more docuseries because it wasn't so performative in such theatrics,
Speaker 1: and there's something to be said for that as well.
Speaker 1: That also is not like Golden Bachelor, but it was
Speaker 1: very textured and very more like independent television show than
Speaker 1: it is now.
Speaker 3: So why do you think the evolution has brought it
Speaker 3: to where it is today?
Speaker 1: Then because the success of it in watching people in
Speaker 1: this fish bowl made other people watch how it's done,
Speaker 1: how the sausage gets made. So you watch Teresa flip
Speaker 1: a table, you're worried you're going to go on the
Speaker 1: show and what are you going.
Speaker 2: To do to top that?
Speaker 1: Or you saw Kyle and her arimez bag, or you
Speaker 1: saw Erica in her closet. So you're going to come
Speaker 1: on the show as a new person fifteen years later
Speaker 1: and you're going to show your stylist and your house
Speaker 1: and you're going to probably not even be able to
Speaker 1: afford that house, but you're on the show, so you
Speaker 1: think you have to show all of that. So it's
Speaker 1: like the bar keeps getting raised. When we were on
Speaker 1: it was a docu series about us, but then the
Speaker 1: next season someone saw what we did and they had the.
Speaker 2: Knowledge of the show.
Speaker 1: They watched it. We'd never watched it. It never existed,
Speaker 1: So so you're giving me.
Speaker 3: A great idea. They should now just throw in occasionally
Speaker 3: someone who was a really normal like me.
Speaker 1: They can't, It doesn't They've tried. It's not normal. But
Speaker 1: they tried to have Denise richards On and she did
Speaker 1: do well. But the problem was she was showing up
Speaker 1: on a vacation on a balcony wearing gene shorts, which
Speaker 1: is what a normal human being would wear. They were
Speaker 1: wearing ball gowns. She looks like shit compared to them.
Speaker 1: The audience is then pressuring her. She was a bond girl.
Speaker 1: She's stunning, but the audience is then pressuring her, pressuring
Speaker 1: other people, get your teeth done, get you whatever, because
Speaker 1: everybody's in high death, which we weren't inn HD and
Speaker 1: everybody like so it's just like, you can't go in
Speaker 1: there and be in an Ikea apartment like I was
Speaker 1: when I started, and sit next to Erica the audience
Speaker 1: or you are going to feel strange.
Speaker 3: Okay. So that's that just underscores what I'm saying that
Speaker 3: the escapism, the the uh, the boy orism, if you will,
Speaker 3: I imagine yourself in that life is what is popular
Speaker 3: and what people love and that's that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's changed, it's evolved, and many many people yes
Speaker 1: agree with that. The ratings are not what they used
Speaker 1: to be, partially because you know, how much too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing is too much, Partially because of
Speaker 1: the whole landscape of entertainment has changed. And also many
Speaker 1: people are turned off by it. They don't want you know,
Speaker 1: they don't believe it's real. You know, the trips are
Speaker 1: not really them. People used to think that we were
Speaker 1: really I was really taking people on a trip or
Speaker 1: some so, you know, it's just a different story now.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know why we got so into that.
Speaker 1: Who cares, But that's just an education on what it
Speaker 1: is and what it used to be. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: it bad, but it's just it has to constantly evolve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Kyle had a show.
Speaker 2: I liked to seeing her in that role.
Speaker 1: I think it was only one season, but I liked
Speaker 1: seeing her as a producer. And there was some drama
Speaker 1: about it because it was a show that was about
Speaker 1: her family and it kind of created a rift between
Speaker 1: her and her sister Kathy Hilton, and I was sort
Speaker 1: of kind of I don't know if I was glad
Speaker 1: that it didn't continue or not glad, but it caused
Speaker 1: a problem in her family.
Speaker 2: It was like a sore spot.
Speaker 1: So when that dissolved, it created a way for them
Speaker 1: to get back together.
Speaker 3: And I will say when I watched that scene, it
Speaker 3: sort of just that just seemed inserted into the show
Speaker 3: as well. That the production scene kind of there wasn't
Speaker 3: any context for someone who hadn't balled it all the
Speaker 3: way along.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: It looked like a commercial for because that's a situation
Speaker 1: where a housewife has really urged production to include something
Speaker 1: that they're doing into the show, likely in exchange for
Speaker 1: something else. I'll do this over here, but you have
Speaker 1: to put that on. That happens a lot like Lisa
Speaker 1: had to lobby to get the dog thing as the
Speaker 1: trip up because five other people are lobbying for their
Speaker 1: thing to be the trip or the finale, or the
Speaker 1: scene or the dinner. So that's another thing that used
Speaker 1: to not be the same. Now it's like a competition
Speaker 1: kind of people really want their thing to be highlighted.
Speaker 3: So when you did your show, when you did the
Speaker 3: New York was it, it sounds like it's just completely
Speaker 3: different from when you did it.
Speaker 1: It's completely different, And to be honest, I am largely
Speaker 1: responsible for I am entirely responsible for starting the model
Speaker 1: of monetization of products through reality television. Even the Kardashians
Speaker 1: followed me because we had the same agent, and agent
Speaker 1: then followed me by inserting their Sears deal into E
Speaker 1: So because I started the whole entire practice of inserting
Speaker 1: a brand into reality television. I started that with my
Speaker 1: Skinny Girl cocktail. The Kardashians followed with the Seers deal
Speaker 1: in The Kardashian Show, and all the other housewive've seeing
Speaker 1: my success really wanted to have something to market and
Speaker 1: p K when he met me with Kyle and Boy
Speaker 1: George said to me, dered is doing the show because
Speaker 1: of what you did. And I've heard that from housewives
Speaker 1: to this day. Who join they want to do what
Speaker 1: I did with Skinny Girl.
Speaker 2: So that's.
Speaker 1: Good because why else would they be on the show
Speaker 1: and expose their lives? Bad because the audience wants it
Speaker 1: to feel real, not like every scene is a commercial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I hear that, But I still, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't see the thing necessarily wrong with that. It's
Speaker 3: just smart. You're smart marketing your you know it's smart,
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't think it really necessarily takes
Speaker 3: away from the entertainment of the show. I think that
Speaker 3: is the name of the game in reality TV. It's
Speaker 3: it's entertainment. It's that it always has a bigger reason,
Speaker 3: it always has a reason to exist. As I said
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, the bigger reason, of course it entertains, but
Speaker 3: the bigger reason is people of a certain age being
Speaker 3: able to find love and have a second chance at
Speaker 3: love and making good friends. And that's the message.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that you have to have a thread and
Speaker 1: a foundation. But then you're entertaining exactly, but that was
Speaker 1: a great threat, so.
Speaker 3: You're so on the Housewives. I don't. I think it's
Speaker 3: it's just smart. It's it's smart business figuring out how
Speaker 3: you want to market whatever your brand is, whatever your
Speaker 3: thing is, while you're entertaining people.
Speaker 1: And it's now become you need all this content. You
Speaker 1: have all these different shows and you need this content.
Speaker 1: And it's become a circular reference because women go on
Speaker 1: the show who are not famous, and then they're shooting
Speaker 1: scenes with photo shoots because of the fame that the
Speaker 1: show has generated. So that's evolved too. In the very beginning,
Speaker 1: on shows like The Kardashians or Jersey Shore or you know,
Speaker 1: even though they were instantaneously successful, they would never show
Speaker 1: the paparazzi shooting you because the paparazzi was shooting you
Speaker 1: because of this show that you're on show, which is
Speaker 1: portraying you as a real person. So it's become a
Speaker 1: circular reference if that means it's very meta.
Speaker 3: Total sense. But I think I think my experience has
Speaker 3: told me people are very willing to suspend judgment and
Speaker 3: suspend reality if you will, or a reality show, and.
Speaker 1: That could not be now they break the fourth wall, Yes,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. That's all evolved, and that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: think it's always been interesting. Like they'll show a camera
Speaker 1: guy in a fight with someone or something. They never
Speaker 1: used to show things like that. Now they'll show, you know,
Speaker 1: a girl yelling out production when she wants to see
Speaker 1: him to stop.
Speaker 2: That's new and evolving.
Speaker 1: Erica I recognize on the show making a meal out
Speaker 1: of the show early, like she came in and was
Speaker 1: like she had this pop career that she was sort
Speaker 1: of really going to start, and then she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be on Young and the Restless, and she
Speaker 1: later did I think like a shoe deal and you
Speaker 1: know Chicago as I think it's roxy Like I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that she came in and was like I'm going
Speaker 1: to devour the show and I'm putting on all the
Speaker 1: hair and makeup and doing it like she really devoured
Speaker 1: and ate the show. Was like I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a housewife's going to take every opportunity.
Speaker 3: And strong, a strong woman who's who has a plan,
Speaker 3: and she executed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yes exactly. I mean she just
Speaker 2: came in.
Speaker 1: She was like I'm saying yes to everything, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and she does I don't know overall, I don't know
Speaker 1: what she's doing now, but it just feels like she
Speaker 1: just came in and was like I'm making a meal
Speaker 1: out of the show, no matter what, I'm taking everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she definitely had a strong personality.
Speaker 3: I saw myself and her a little bit just in
Speaker 3: the know strength of personality. But I again, I have
Speaker 3: nothing but admiration for women who can who can look
Speaker 3: scan the scan the landscape and said this is what
Speaker 3: I'm going to do and this is how it's going
Speaker 3: to work for me, Yeah, the' wrong with that?
Speaker 2: And I think that exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that the Kyle situation is really interesting because
Speaker 1: that was years ago. This is the first time we
Speaker 1: see her allude to the she and again because of
Speaker 1: the show. You know, Mauricio's business was much more successful
Speaker 1: because of the show. He was a successful realtor, but
Speaker 1: this this popped him off. So they both popped off.
Speaker 1: This show benefited her career his career, and his career
Speaker 1: benefits her because you know, they're fifty to fifty down
Speaker 1: the middle of been married for one hundred years.
Speaker 2: But it was the first time you.
Speaker 1: Hear her say that, like, I'm really busy and he's
Speaker 1: really busy, and so we have to make the time
Speaker 1: and he came to visit her, and I did not
Speaker 1: think of it at the time, but knowing what I
Speaker 1: know now, you're thinking of it's going to be a struggle,
Speaker 1: both of them having the careers and how are they
Speaker 1: going to really connect and stay together.
Speaker 2: And in life and in their marriage.
Speaker 1: There's been a division now they both, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of her turn. And this was a foreshadowing
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting this early on.
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, I don't you know. I know about
Speaker 3: as much as what you just said that they're you know,
Speaker 3: the marriage are separated. But I think people that part
Speaker 3: is real for people. You know, how many women are
Speaker 3: successful women successful men. That speaks I think speaks to
Speaker 3: women who are going through that they can they feel validated.
Speaker 3: They feel like she may be in the limelight, but
Speaker 3: they're living the same kind of uh issues and the
Speaker 3: same and I think people like that. People like that.
Speaker 1: I feel that no, yeah it's been or it's been
Speaker 1: all his heart turnout its supposed to be mine or yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3: But the day, at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: he's been very successful. She has and that's the price
Speaker 3: you pay.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah? No, yeah, well no, And they live in
Speaker 2: Beverly Beverly Hills, issu. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They live in that world of fame and now they're
Speaker 1: on reality television and he just did Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: and you know, there is a price. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it with another person that was public.
Speaker 1: It would annoy it would annoy me. Like I you met,
Speaker 1: you were with someone who wasn't part of that. But
Speaker 1: like she came in and really they just lived in
Speaker 1: like Fame Central, and so it was inevitable. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how anyone could sustain a relationship on that show,
Speaker 1: much less in that business, much less in that town.
Speaker 1: So I give them credit for all these years I'm
Speaker 1: raising well adjusted girls and for you know, consciously uncoupling.
Speaker 2: But it's a price, and you see it's been paid.
Speaker 3: But you know what, maybe I'm maybe I told you
Speaker 3: I live in the real world. Maybe I think it's
Speaker 3: the price people pay in marriages when they when they
Speaker 3: consciously uncouple, or when they when it's just hell and
Speaker 3: brimstone and fire. I mean, that's just those are relationships,
Speaker 3: and that's real life. And this has played out obviously
Speaker 3: more publicly, but I just think that is we talk
Speaker 3: about reality shows not being real, but that's real life.
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, that's that's real life. And also
Speaker 1: they could have easily been out of the line light
Speaker 1: and broken up after twenty seven years in marriage.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: And also they were on the same page in doing
Speaker 1: this journey, like making this money for this business together
Speaker 1: in a public way. If you're not on the same
Speaker 1: page or someone else, that would be hard to if
Speaker 1: you had somebody who did not want the linlight, you
Speaker 1: wanted it. You wanted to go blow your business up
Speaker 1: on television. So they were on the same page, and
Speaker 1: they're still on the same page with their kids. It's
Speaker 1: just interesting that this showed up so early about having
Speaker 1: to find a way to support each other, and twenty
Speaker 1: seven years is a success.
Speaker 2: It's an accomplishment.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was the show. That was the Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Housewives. You your lost your virginity.
Speaker 3: I just really wanted to go to that party. I
Speaker 3: really wanted and the gold Foil hair. We didn't even
Speaker 3: talk about the gold Foyle hair.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a big fan of it, but I like
Speaker 2: the commitment to it.
Speaker 3: I you took the words around. I thought I couldn't
Speaker 3: have done it. But she wore it well. She committed
Speaker 3: to it for sure.
Speaker 1: She's the resident fashionista and she really loves it, and
Speaker 1: she takes the time, and you know, she really makes
Speaker 1: an effort. Like it's each It's again something that you
Speaker 1: every time you talk. It's something that used to not happen.
Speaker 1: It used to not be. It used to be the
Speaker 1: people just like it was real, so that you're just
Speaker 1: doing wearing whatever you normally would wear, and you know,
Speaker 1: doing your own makeup. And that's how Lisa Rinna came
Speaker 1: into the show, and she came out of the show
Speaker 1: a full fashionista that now goes to fast Weeks and
Speaker 1: has her daughters and her models and like a different game.
Speaker 1: She's a different visual person than when she entered, as
Speaker 1: is Kyle in some ways, as is do eat in
Speaker 1: some ways, they like made it a show. And when
Speaker 1: we were on I remember when I left for three seasons,
Speaker 1: I came back and it had just started. And it
Speaker 1: used to bother me when people would have glam squads
Speaker 1: come with them to the Berkshires, because to me, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem real.
Speaker 2: It felt for the show.
Speaker 1: And to your point, it's a different show now, and
Speaker 1: that's part of the performative theatrics. That wasn't the show
Speaker 1: that I signed up to do. I signed up for
Speaker 1: the docu series. I didn't sign up for the circus,
Speaker 1: So it's just a different thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. One thing you've clarified for me now,
Speaker 3: I know why all these women are, you know, size
Speaker 3: zero is they don't have time, they don't have time
Speaker 3: to eat.
Speaker 2: They're too busy end ozempic.
Speaker 3: Oh no, really, yeah, I believe you. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I hope it's I hope we don't find out down
Speaker 3: the road that there's some uh pathological problem to using
Speaker 3: ozembic if you don't really need it. That would not
Speaker 3: be that would not be.
Speaker 1: Uh looking good and looking riches what matters on the Housewives.
Speaker 1: And that mission has been accomplished.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know I'm I have something to work towards.
Speaker 2: Now, absolutely something to aspire.
Speaker 1: So all right, Well, it was so nice to meet
Speaker 1: you and talk to you and get to know you.
Speaker 3: So nice to meet you. You know, you can send
Speaker 3: all those single men my way, okay, as well as
Speaker 3: long as they're not used to guys.
Speaker 1: All right, And anybody listening, if you know anybody, uh
Speaker 1: that would be right.
Speaker 2: Please message us at the show. We'll pass it along.
Speaker 2: Awesome to meet you.
Speaker 3: And uh someday I want to go shopping with you.
Speaker 1: Perfect and one of the women on who's listening to
Speaker 1: the show, their father or husband's friend or somebody will
Speaker 1: be interested in you.
Speaker 2: So let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, your lip to their ears.
Speaker 1: And right around the block is Valentine's day, so in
Speaker 1: the name of love, let's see if we've got any ideas.
Speaker 2: Folks, Thank you so much, thank you, Good day you too.