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Speaker 1: ending Hong Kong trip, and the drama continues. The whole

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Speaker 1: reason for the trip was to visit the dog rescue,

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Speaker 1: but it looks like shopping and accusations were higher up

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Speaker 1: on the priority list. Lisa Rinna defends her accusations about dRIT,

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Speaker 1: but was she just to mean? Kathy Schwartz from The

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Speaker 1: Golden Bachelor joins me to recap this episode. This is

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season seven, episode seventeen, From

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Speaker 1: Dogs to Diamonds.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet.

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Speaker 3: You, to meet you as well.

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Speaker 2: How is life?

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Speaker 3: Life is great? I have a request of you.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, let's do it. Let's hear.

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Speaker 3: I hate to shop. Next time I'm wherever you are,

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Speaker 3: will you take me to Marshalls please?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes? Or TJ. I know it's crazy, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: People are obsessed with this and it was like such

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Speaker 1: a weird like, oh no, I.

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Speaker 3: Watched the ones in your closet. I mean I'm just

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Speaker 3: like that's so not in my wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: So what's going on? Like, what's how's your life change? Like,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? What's the you know, what's the update?

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Speaker 3: So the update is everyone seems to have a date

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Speaker 3: but me. But you know, I'm getting used to that.

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Speaker 3: Life is good. You know, I come home, the show

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Speaker 3: was great fun. I come home to my three kids,

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Speaker 3: two granddaughters, two geriatric cats, and life goes on?

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Speaker 2: Does life go on? Though? How is life change? Like?

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Speaker 2: What is now?

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Speaker 3: So? You know, I've had some opportunities to do some

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Speaker 3: fun things with iHeartRadio, and some fun things with the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor franchise, and you know, a bunch of us are

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Speaker 3: Golden Batcheorette in DC. And I think it's just more

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Speaker 3: having fun for me. I coming back from that show,

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Speaker 3: I just realized that, you know, it sounds so tripe,

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Speaker 3: to have fun. So that's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: And how has the experience been and changed your life for?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What do you know? I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I knew pretty pretty quickly that

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Speaker 3: and I loved watching the you know, watching the machinations

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Speaker 3: And I came home with a bunch of friends. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I just I didn't find the guide. But you know what,

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Speaker 2: Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

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Speaker 3: Well, you're probably the only one in this country who

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Speaker 3: you know, Kathy Austin, Texas, seventy years old.

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Speaker 2: So what is dating like?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is that? Actually it does not exist?

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Speaker 1: Or what is it?

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Speaker 2: What's the real deal?

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Speaker 3: The real deal? I only speak trust me, I'm such

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Speaker 3: a I am a real reality person here. I haven't

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Speaker 1: But do you feel like you have game? And what's

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Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, like what it really is, like,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let me just by way of answering, let

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Speaker 3: me just give you a little bit of my history.

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Speaker 3: I was married at twenty years old, and my husband

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Speaker 3: So my situation wasn't that of dating in my twenties

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Speaker 3: They used to play tennis, they used to ski, they

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Speaker 3: So that's been my experience that culturally men want to

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Speaker 3: what I get the younger guy, sure, but they're not

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Speaker 1: Right, It's a it's a slipper, it's a sliding scale.

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Speaker 1: They saw your picture and they just liked it and

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Speaker 3: Well, I would like to agree with you, but that

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Speaker 3: I never had younger men reach out to me unless

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Speaker 3: which is a whole different conversation. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean I get that that does track.

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Speaker 1: You're walking in insecure, are already thinking about it like

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Speaker 1: that's annoying too, feeling like there's like a chip on

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Speaker 3: Do what I will say. I'm a very confident, secure person,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also interesting because you said you were married

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Speaker 2: They're like, why would why get married again?

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Speaker 3: So it would have to be a really special guy

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Speaker 2: Them, Okay, all right, Well it's interesting. I just think.

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Speaker 2: And you're on the apps or you gave a break.

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Speaker 3: You haven't been on them since I came back.

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Speaker 2: You just don't it's depressed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, No, I think because of mingle my mocktail.

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Speaker 1: Actually this is mingle my mocktail. We're talking. I was

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Speaker 1: saying something for Valentine's Day, single and ready to mingle,

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Speaker 2: Business as a business.

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Speaker 1: Someone wanted me to invest and I I know someone

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Speaker 2: And I don't know. I think you should.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be on the I can't

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Speaker 1: You just have to like know how to play them.

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Speaker 3: And I think you have I think I think I

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Speaker 3: or haven't been able to, is age. And I will

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Speaker 3: say I've gone out with a few men who say,

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna dumb it down, I'm out of here,

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Speaker 2: of course. No, I'm not talking about that.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a game in who you are game

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Speaker 3: So you remember I saw I'm originally from the Northeast.

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Speaker 1: So have you are you a Housewives fan to begin

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Speaker 1: glad you have a fresh perspective. This is Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: It's currently the most popular and most successful of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: So these girls go to dinner in Hong Kong. They're

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Speaker 1: Always needs to be on the Housewives, some sort of

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Speaker 3: Well, I have to say, when I heard that, it

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Speaker 3: I loved it. Well, I certainly wasn't, which just me

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Speaker 1: So, so you thought something did go she did something

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Speaker 2: And by the way, people are.

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Speaker 1: So I could see that actually happening. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: Right because they all probably knew about this ahead of time.

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Speaker 3: questionable to me, why would you? Why would you? I

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Speaker 1: So one time Jill Zarren did a deal with Kodak,

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Speaker 1: People ruin their careers and no matter what, no matter

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Speaker 2: Well that's the price.

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Speaker 1: The price is you're going to come in and someone's

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I've had this reality reckoning that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, well, and that, you know, for for me,

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Speaker 3: You know what can I say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I just want their clothes and their shoes and their jewelry,

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Speaker 1: Well. The thing is that at this era it hadn't

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Speaker 1: But she came in really spending on the role and

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Speaker 3: And I can only say that is probably not well

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Speaker 1: It's not real either, That's the thing. It's not real.

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Speaker 1: It's costume. But they've created this world where this particular

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Speaker 1: It's more of a stage performance than like a gritty,

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Speaker 3: Golden Matcher. But I think there is such a place

439
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 3: for reality TV. I think a lot of my friends,

440
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 3: my daughter watches a lot of reality TV, and they

441
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 3: all say the same thing, that it's entertaining, it's fun.

442
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: They like you know, they like feeling and being a

443
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: part of someone's exciting quote unquote life. Right, you know

444
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? I don't really have a problem

445
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 3: with that.

446
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: No, I don't really have a problem with it either.

447
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: In less people are unless people are being exploited, and

448
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying before, But that's a separate, complete,

449
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: separate topic.

450
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: Everyone here wants.

451
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: To be here, and at this point in twenty twenty four, yes,

452
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: after all that's been discussed said, people are there because

453
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: they sign up for it.

454
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

455
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: You sign up for it, and that's what it is.

456
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: There's been enough knowledge about the fact that it could

457
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: go sideways or you could do really well, and that's

458
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: a risk you take. So whenever people ask me if

459
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: they should do it, I really don't even answer, because

460
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: it's really up to them. They've seen what it could

461
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: be or what it can't be? The woman Eden, Yeah,

462
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 1: she's the one who buys eric a ring. I didn't

463
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: hear her say a word the whole entire episode. I

464
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: don't even know how many episodes she was on or

465
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: how many seasons she could have been a mummy.

466
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Speaker 3: So that is so funny you say that because when

467
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: I watched the episode, and you know, they at the

468
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: beginning they show the women who they are, their names,

469
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: and then this woman eating shows up buying a ring

470
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: for her friend, and I'm like, wait, did I miss

471
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 3: something here? Because I don't know who she is.

472
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: I still don't either, so yeah, don't worry.

473
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: That's you know, okay, good, I feel little. It gives

474
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: me hope that I can pop it into an into

475
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: an episode and wait, what's she doing?

476
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea, no idea where she came from,

477
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: and I don't know how long she was on.

478
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: I assume one season.

479
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. The part that fascinated me was p K Dorri's

480
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: husband seemed so invested in talking about Lisa, you know,

481
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: just talking.

482
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: About love you exactly. We're going there, We're going there.

483
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: Do you think it was ghost to ask about the

484
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: price for the ring? Even within the constructs of a

485
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: television show, or it gave context.

486
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: It gave context like.

487
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I think to me, I I didn't even

488
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 3: go there where I was laughing. I picked up right

489
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 3: away that she was giving the foreign exchange. So it

490
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 3: was not eleven thousand whatever it was yen or wherever. So,

491
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 3: but to me it was comical that, oh, it was

492
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: only one hundred and seventy dollars, never mind buy me

493
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: something more expensive. I mean, because she did not pick

494
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: up on it right away that it was not US dollars.

495
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: Well, if it was seventeen thousand, she was gonna have

496
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: to be this girl's best friend.

497
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't be bought. Are you really good

498
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: at if someone buys me a seventeen thousand dollars ring,

499
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask, have you lost your mind? I mean,

500
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: that's just not He's not what friendship is.

501
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 2: I know.

502
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: It seems like that girl, because she doesn't have isn't

503
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: speaking a lot and probably can't find her way to

504
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: get in like the double Dutch game and jump in

505
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 1: she was buying to like, you know, I get it.

506
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: I see that it was only one hundred and seventy dollars.

507
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: But these women, many of these women can be bought,

508
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: so it's expensive to be Erica. And if it was

509
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand, Eric, I would have just had to, you know,

510
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: take a hit and be her best friend. So luckily

511
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: it was one hundred and seventy and we move on.

512
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: What did you think of the dogs?

513
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

514
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: My god, I thought it was so sweet and sad

515
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: and it broke my heart.

516
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: It did. My family's always had dogs. My daughter rescued

517
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: a dog. I rescue two kittens at five weeks old

518
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: from the pound. We're big rescue family. Hair. So yeah,

519
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: that's hard to watch seeing that. I mean, I love

520
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: that there is that message coming through. That's a good

521
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: message to come through that show. So yeah, I thought

522
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: that was great.

523
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great message to come through that show.

524
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: I totally agree. And Lisa vander Pump, who is you know,

525
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: running that dog charity, She's the one on the show

526
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: that's the most It's funny that I think the audience

527
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: either never totally caught onto it or really caught onto it.

528
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't care because she's like the is it Crystal Carrington.

529
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: She's the one who's like constantly working machinations in her mind,

530
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: Like every word she chooses it's like designed for some

531
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: strategic purpose, like she's moving the board around at all times.

532
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, although maybe, but I also think she's she seems

533
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: to be somewhat empathetic to to at certain times in

534
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: the show. I can't pull one up right now in

535
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: my head. But but the thing that stood out to

536
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: me about her, I want to go to one of

537
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: her parties. I want that guy to come and decorate

538
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: my house. I mean, or can I be one of

539
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: her ponies? I know, I want the glitter on my nails,

540
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 3: Come on.

541
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why she was a big loss on

542
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: the Housewives, Like they lost her and some housewives. I mean,

543
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: she was a good housewife to begin with, but then

544
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: also losing the character that like has the trappings, you

545
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

546
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: And yeah I do, But I just something just struck

547
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 3: me when you said she's a good housewife, the irony

548
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: of saying that, because traditionally, when you see someone's a

549
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: good housewife in my generation, you know, they keep a

550
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: clean house, they take care of the kids, they do

551
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: the long Being a good housewife in this series has

552
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: nothing to do with any of those things.

553
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: Nothing.

554
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: It has to do with entertaining and like I said,

555
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: being strategy and having a good backdrop, which she has,

556
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: and she's got some good lines.

557
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: But she's like, she's like a nice villain. I can't

558
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: explain it.

559
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: She's like a villain because you know, she's always like

560
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: plotting something, but it's landing.

561
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: That's why she's a good villain. It's landing.

562
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: It's landing and it's working. And and you know, to

563
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: your point, if you if you're smart enough to be

564
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: on that show, you better be smart enough to figure

565
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: out your next steps.

566
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was always playing the game, and other people

567
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: are pretending they're not playing the game and like it's

568
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: real when it isn't real. So at least she's like

569
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: fully coming out with it, but some people are. I mean,

570
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: people would say I was. I was certainly real if

571
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: nothing else.

572
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well my middle name is real. So I mean

573
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: they would get what they paid for with me, I

574
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: can assure.

575
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: You, yes, So Erica and Eileen. I liked that acting scene.

576
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I thought Erica was pretty good. I thought she was

577
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: all right.

578
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: I think you know, I think they I thought it

579
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 3: was very sad that they ruined that pretty jacket to

580
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: the coffee. But you know, that's just the.

581
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: Price of that's the price, and it was buy a

582
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: cheap o jacket, not a couture jacket, but.

583
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: P K.

584
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting because he's like a housewife. Simon

585
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: years ago was on our show, was Alex's husband. He

586
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: was like in the drama. He was at women's events

587
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: and he was in the drama and you were picking

588
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: up you earlier were picking up that. It's like almost

589
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: like they've given him the script ahead of time for

590
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: the scene, and he knows the beats to hit. So

591
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to like take a few swipes at

592
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: certain housewives. But you know, and there's also something admirable.

593
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: He lives for his wife. He's loyal to her to

594
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: a fault. He'll buy her anything, even if he probably

595
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 1: can't even afford everything he's buying her because they live

596
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a life that's crazy. And you know, there's been a

597
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: lot of speculation about that, but you know, it's endearing

598
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: that he loves her so much. But every single word

599
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: is another swipe and another housewife.

600
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: Well you know, wait, can we just back up for

601
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: a second. How many times I was trying to think,

602
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: did my husband ever pick up the phone and call

603
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: me in the house and say, honey, come down and

604
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: have a drink with me. Oh right, let's start with that. Yeah,

605
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: And then you know he stands across he's serving her.

606
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: I just that whole scene was incredible. But I think

607
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: that again, in my life, my husband would no more

608
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: have wanted to be involved in that. So I was

609
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: fascinated that he It seemed like they are a cocktail

610
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: hour chat. Literally that's you know, how was your day, honey? Well,

611
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: you know I had a business meeting and I nope,

612
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: their day was about what Lisa Renna had to I mean,

613
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: it just it just wouldn't happen in my.

614
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: Word, by the way, it would never happen in my world.

615
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I would never I've never dated a man who would

616
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: be interested in going deep on something like that, and

617
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: like you said, so invested in a very nice, politically correct,

618
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: diplomatic way.

619
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: But it's it's a little.

620
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: And I think it's gone on throughout the season because

621
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: certain husbands want, like may want to be main character

622
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: energy and like some husbands dissolve in the background, and

623
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: some jump right in front of that camera and love it.

624
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: Like there's a guy on Jersey Melissa Gorgo's husband. He

625
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: jumps right in front and loves to be the star.

626
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: Simon on our show used to some husbands really like

627
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: the light. You could tell the p K likes the light,

628
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: wants to be part of it, and the producers like

629
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: him too. I'm sure and I'm sure you know and

630
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: it but it does seem a little put on. This

631
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: like cocktail hour and call it seems a little put

632
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: on for the show.

633
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: A vacuum in a vacuum, Yes, uh, because he's just

634
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: there for that scene and and obviously it develops and

635
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: there's and there's more going on. It was the same

636
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: thing with Mauricio with when she's cutting the you know,

637
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: with the pinking chairs, cutting the dress off, and he's

638
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: kind of looking at the word on. We came to mind,

639
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: like completely bored.

640
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: Right right, Like he gives a shit about a lace's

641
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: bottom dress exactly, and he's saying that's fair too.

642
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: Again I could again, I just went back thinking, you know,

643
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: my husband, would you know, take you know, get the

644
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: thing on. We got fifteen minutes, let's go. It would

645
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: not be lounging in a chair talking about the issues

646
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: around one leg longer than the other address. I found

647
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: that humorous for myself.

648
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the you listen, you're not watching to

649
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: watch everybody just like you.

650
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: You know, if I.

651
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: Have had Paul like carry my beach toe because it is

652
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: a little heavy because it's carrying both of us stuff

653
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to be wearing like a Chanell

654
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: beach tote.

655
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Isn't like the way and no one's even seeing it.

656
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: It's just like he would not be until like doing

657
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: a gaggle of gossip on the housewives either.

658
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: But let me say Bethany isn't part of this show again.

659
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: The people I know who are really invested in the show,

660
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: they love the labels and the looking at the homes

661
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 3: and all the quote unquote finery. That's part of what

662
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: makes this show so successful, I think.

663
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: No, that's that it's performative, and people are cast now

664
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: more than ever for how wealthy they look to be.

665
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: There could be an amazing character, and there have been,

666
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: but their apartments aren't great and the producers are kind

667
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: of telling them they have to improve their their whereabouts.

668
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: And when I started, we didn't even have hair and makeup.

669
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: And you look at me right now, I have no

670
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: makeup on I'm sitting home in a card again, this

671
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: is what it was like in the beginning, because I

672
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: thought I was doing a reality show, and I do

673
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: think there are shows like that that are It's really

674
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: it's funny because no one calls it this. It's supposed

675
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: to be a docuseries, and they don't use that name

676
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: that much anymore because it really doesn't feel docused.

677
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: It supposed to be a docuseries.

678
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

679
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: That's what it's pitched as initially a docuseries, So that's

680
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: what that's We've never discussed this before, which is interesting.

681
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: Housewives was intended and sold in rooms to be a docuseries.

682
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: That's that's what the format is for Housewives, and a

683
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of these shows they don't really use that terminology

684
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: that much, presumably because it doesn't feel docu at all anymore.

685
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: But when and if you look at the first seasons

686
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: of Myself and Jill's Arn and Alex and Simon, the

687
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: houses weren't perfect, We weren't perfect, the backdrops weren't perfect,

688
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: there was no makeup or the glam wasn't perfect. It

689
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: was more docuseries because it wasn't so performative in such theatrics,

690
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: and there's something to be said for that as well.

691
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: That also is not like Golden Bachelor, but it was

692
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: very textured and very more like independent television show than

693
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: it is now.

694
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: So why do you think the evolution has brought it

695
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: to where it is today?

696
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Then because the success of it in watching people in

697
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: this fish bowl made other people watch how it's done,

698
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: how the sausage gets made. So you watch Teresa flip

699
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: a table, you're worried you're going to go on the

700
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: show and what are you going.

701
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: To do to top that?

702
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Or you saw Kyle and her arimez bag, or you

703
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: saw Erica in her closet. So you're going to come

704
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: on the show as a new person fifteen years later

705
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: and you're going to show your stylist and your house

706
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: and you're going to probably not even be able to

707
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: afford that house, but you're on the show, so you

708
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: think you have to show all of that. So it's

709
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: like the bar keeps getting raised. When we were on

710
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: it was a docu series about us, but then the

711
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: next season someone saw what we did and they had the.

712
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: Knowledge of the show.

713
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: They watched it. We'd never watched it. It never existed,

714
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: So so you're giving me.

715
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: A great idea. They should now just throw in occasionally

716
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: someone who was a really normal like me.

717
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: They can't, It doesn't They've tried. It's not normal. But

718
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: they tried to have Denise richards On and she did

719
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: do well. But the problem was she was showing up

720
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: on a vacation on a balcony wearing gene shorts, which

721
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: is what a normal human being would wear. They were

722
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: wearing ball gowns. She looks like shit compared to them.

723
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: The audience is then pressuring her. She was a bond girl.

724
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: She's stunning, but the audience is then pressuring her, pressuring

725
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: other people, get your teeth done, get you whatever, because

726
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: everybody's in high death, which we weren't inn HD and

727
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: everybody like so it's just like, you can't go in

728
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: there and be in an Ikea apartment like I was

729
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: when I started, and sit next to Erica the audience

730
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: or you are going to feel strange.

731
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Okay. So that's that just underscores what I'm saying that

732
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: the escapism, the the uh, the boy orism, if you will,

733
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: I imagine yourself in that life is what is popular

734
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: and what people love and that's that's.

735
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's changed, it's evolved, and many many people yes

736
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: agree with that. The ratings are not what they used

737
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: to be, partially because you know, how much too much

738
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: of a good thing is too much, Partially because of

739
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the whole landscape of entertainment has changed. And also many

740
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: people are turned off by it. They don't want you know,

741
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: they don't believe it's real. You know, the trips are

742
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: not really them. People used to think that we were

743
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: really I was really taking people on a trip or

744
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: some so, you know, it's just a different story now.

745
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't know why we got so into that.

746
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: Who cares, But that's just an education on what it

747
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: is and what it used to be. It doesn't make

748
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: it bad, but it's just it has to constantly evolve. Yeah,

749
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: So Kyle had a show.

750
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: I liked to seeing her in that role.

751
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: I think it was only one season, but I liked

752
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: seeing her as a producer. And there was some drama

753
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: about it because it was a show that was about

754
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: her family and it kind of created a rift between

755
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: her and her sister Kathy Hilton, and I was sort

756
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: of kind of I don't know if I was glad

757
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: that it didn't continue or not glad, but it caused

758
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: a problem in her family.

759
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: It was like a sore spot.

760
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: So when that dissolved, it created a way for them

761
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: to get back together.

762
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: And I will say when I watched that scene, it

763
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: sort of just that just seemed inserted into the show

764
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: as well. That the production scene kind of there wasn't

765
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: any context for someone who hadn't balled it all the

766
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: way along.

767
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: That's fair.

768
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: It looked like a commercial for because that's a situation

769
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: where a housewife has really urged production to include something

770
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: that they're doing into the show, likely in exchange for

771
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: something else. I'll do this over here, but you have

772
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: to put that on. That happens a lot like Lisa

773
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: had to lobby to get the dog thing as the

774
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: trip up because five other people are lobbying for their

775
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: thing to be the trip or the finale, or the

776
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: scene or the dinner. So that's another thing that used

777
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: to not be the same. Now it's like a competition

778
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: kind of people really want their thing to be highlighted.

779
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: So when you did your show, when you did the

780
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: New York was it, it sounds like it's just completely

781
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: different from when you did it.

782
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: It's completely different, And to be honest, I am largely

783
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: responsible for I am entirely responsible for starting the model

784
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: of monetization of products through reality television. Even the Kardashians

785
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: followed me because we had the same agent, and agent

786
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: then followed me by inserting their Sears deal into E

787
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: So because I started the whole entire practice of inserting

788
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: a brand into reality television. I started that with my

789
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: Skinny Girl cocktail. The Kardashians followed with the Seers deal

790
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: in The Kardashian Show, and all the other housewive've seeing

791
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: my success really wanted to have something to market and

792
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: p K when he met me with Kyle and Boy

793
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: George said to me, dered is doing the show because

794
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: of what you did. And I've heard that from housewives

795
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: to this day. Who join they want to do what

796
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: I did with Skinny Girl.

797
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: So that's.

798
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Good because why else would they be on the show

799
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: and expose their lives? Bad because the audience wants it

800
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: to feel real, not like every scene is a commercial.

801
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I hear that, But I still, I mean,

802
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: I don't see the thing necessarily wrong with that. It's

803
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: just smart. You're smart marketing your you know it's smart,

804
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't think it really necessarily takes

805
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: away from the entertainment of the show. I think that

806
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: is the name of the game in reality TV. It's

807
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: it's entertainment. It's that it always has a bigger reason,

808
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: it always has a reason to exist. As I said

809
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, the bigger reason, of course it entertains, but

810
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: the bigger reason is people of a certain age being

811
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: able to find love and have a second chance at

812
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: love and making good friends. And that's the message.

813
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that you have to have a thread and

814
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: a foundation. But then you're entertaining exactly, but that was

815
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: a great threat, so.

816
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: You're so on the Housewives. I don't. I think it's

817
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: it's just smart. It's it's smart business figuring out how

818
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: you want to market whatever your brand is, whatever your

819
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: thing is, while you're entertaining people.

820
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: And it's now become you need all this content. You

821
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: have all these different shows and you need this content.

822
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: And it's become a circular reference because women go on

823
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: the show who are not famous, and then they're shooting

824
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: scenes with photo shoots because of the fame that the

825
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: show has generated. So that's evolved too. In the very beginning,

826
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: on shows like The Kardashians or Jersey Shore or you know,

827
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: even though they were instantaneously successful, they would never show

828
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: the paparazzi shooting you because the paparazzi was shooting you

829
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: because of this show that you're on show, which is

830
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: portraying you as a real person. So it's become a

831
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: circular reference if that means it's very meta.

832
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: Total sense. But I think I think my experience has

833
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: told me people are very willing to suspend judgment and

834
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 3: suspend reality if you will, or a reality show, and.

835
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: That could not be now they break the fourth wall, Yes,

836
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. That's all evolved, and that's interesting. I

837
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: think it's always been interesting. Like they'll show a camera

838
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: guy in a fight with someone or something. They never

839
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: used to show things like that. Now they'll show, you know,

840
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: a girl yelling out production when she wants to see

841
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: him to stop.

842
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: That's new and evolving.

843
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Erica I recognize on the show making a meal out

844
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of the show early, like she came in and was

845
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: like she had this pop career that she was sort

846
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: of really going to start, and then she's like, I'm

847
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: going to be on Young and the Restless, and she

848
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: later did I think like a shoe deal and you

849
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: know Chicago as I think it's roxy Like I really

850
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: appreciate that she came in and was like I'm going

851
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: to devour the show and I'm putting on all the

852
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: hair and makeup and doing it like she really devoured

853
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: and ate the show. Was like I'm going to be

854
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: a housewife's going to take every opportunity.

855
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: And strong, a strong woman who's who has a plan,

856
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: and she executed it.

857
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yes exactly. I mean she just

858
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: came in.

859
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: She was like I'm saying yes to everything, whatever it is,

860
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: and she does I don't know overall, I don't know

861
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: what she's doing now, but it just feels like she

862
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: just came in and was like I'm making a meal

863
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: out of the show, no matter what, I'm taking everything.

864
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she she definitely had a strong personality.

865
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: I saw myself and her a little bit just in

866
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: the know strength of personality. But I again, I have

867
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: nothing but admiration for women who can who can look

868
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 3: scan the scan the landscape and said this is what

869
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to do and this is how it's going

870
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: to work for me, Yeah, the' wrong with that?

871
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: And I think that exactly.

872
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: I think that the Kyle situation is really interesting because

873
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: that was years ago. This is the first time we

874
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: see her allude to the she and again because of

875
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: the show. You know, Mauricio's business was much more successful

876
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: because of the show. He was a successful realtor, but

877
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: this this popped him off. So they both popped off.

878
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: This show benefited her career his career, and his career

879
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: benefits her because you know, they're fifty to fifty down

880
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: the middle of been married for one hundred years.

881
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: But it was the first time you.

882
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Hear her say that, like, I'm really busy and he's

883
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: really busy, and so we have to make the time

884
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: and he came to visit her, and I did not

885
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: think of it at the time, but knowing what I

886
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: know now, you're thinking of it's going to be a struggle,

887
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: both of them having the careers and how are they

888
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: going to really connect and stay together.

889
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: And in life and in their marriage.

890
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: There's been a division now they both, you know, and

891
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of her turn. And this was a foreshadowing

892
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting this early on.

893
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, I don't you know. I know about

894
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: as much as what you just said that they're you know,

895
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: the marriage are separated. But I think people that part

896
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: is real for people. You know, how many women are

897
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: successful women successful men. That speaks I think speaks to

898
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: women who are going through that they can they feel validated.

899
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: They feel like she may be in the limelight, but

900
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: they're living the same kind of uh issues and the

901
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: same and I think people like that. People like that.

902
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: I feel that no, yeah it's been or it's been

903
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: all his heart turnout its supposed to be mine or yeah,

904
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree.

905
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: But the day, at the end of the day, you know,

906
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: he's been very successful. She has and that's the price

907
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: you pay.

908
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: Right Yeah? No, yeah, well no, And they live in

909
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: Beverly Beverly Hills, issu. You know what I'm saying.

910
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: They live in that world of fame and now they're

911
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: on reality television and he just did Dancing with the Stars,

912
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: and you know, there is a price. I couldn't do it.

913
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it with another person that was public.

914
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: It would annoy it would annoy me. Like I you met,

915
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: you were with someone who wasn't part of that. But

916
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: like she came in and really they just lived in

917
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: like Fame Central, and so it was inevitable. And I

918
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: don't know how anyone could sustain a relationship on that show,

919
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: much less in that business, much less in that town.

920
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: So I give them credit for all these years I'm

921
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: raising well adjusted girls and for you know, consciously uncoupling.

922
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: But it's a price, and you see it's been paid.

923
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: But you know what, maybe I'm maybe I told you

924
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: I live in the real world. Maybe I think it's

925
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: the price people pay in marriages when they when they

926
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: consciously uncouple, or when they when it's just hell and

927
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: brimstone and fire. I mean, that's just those are relationships,

928
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: and that's real life. And this has played out obviously

929
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: more publicly, but I just think that is we talk

930
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: about reality shows not being real, but that's real life.

931
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, that's that's real life. And also

932
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: they could have easily been out of the line light

933
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: and broken up after twenty seven years in marriage.

934
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean.

935
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: And also they were on the same page in doing

936
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: this journey, like making this money for this business together

937
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: in a public way. If you're not on the same

938
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: page or someone else, that would be hard to if

939
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: you had somebody who did not want the linlight, you

940
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: wanted it. You wanted to go blow your business up

941
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: on television. So they were on the same page, and

942
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: they're still on the same page with their kids. It's

943
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: just interesting that this showed up so early about having

944
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: to find a way to support each other, and twenty

945
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: seven years is a success.

946
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: It's an accomplishment.

947
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: Sure.

948
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was the show. That was the Beverly

949
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: Hills Housewives. You your lost your virginity.

950
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: I just really wanted to go to that party. I

951
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: really wanted and the gold Foil hair. We didn't even

952
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: talk about the gold Foyle hair.

953
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't a big fan of it, but I like

954
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: the commitment to it.

955
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: I you took the words around. I thought I couldn't

956
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: have done it. But she wore it well. She committed

957
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 3: to it for sure.

958
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: She's the resident fashionista and she really loves it, and

959
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: she takes the time, and you know, she really makes

960
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: an effort. Like it's each It's again something that you

961
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: every time you talk. It's something that used to not happen.

962
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: It used to not be. It used to be the

963
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: people just like it was real, so that you're just

964
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: doing wearing whatever you normally would wear, and you know,

965
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: doing your own makeup. And that's how Lisa Rinna came

966
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: into the show, and she came out of the show

967
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: a full fashionista that now goes to fast Weeks and

968
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: has her daughters and her models and like a different game.

969
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: She's a different visual person than when she entered, as

970
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: is Kyle in some ways, as is do eat in

971
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: some ways, they like made it a show. And when

972
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: we were on I remember when I left for three seasons,

973
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I came back and it had just started. And it

974
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: used to bother me when people would have glam squads

975
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: come with them to the Berkshires, because to me, it

976
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: didn't seem real.

977
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 2: It felt for the show.

978
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: And to your point, it's a different show now, and

979
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: that's part of the performative theatrics. That wasn't the show

980
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: that I signed up to do. I signed up for

981
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: the docu series. I didn't sign up for the circus,

982
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: So it's just a different thing.

983
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. One thing you've clarified for me now,

984
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: I know why all these women are, you know, size

985
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: zero is they don't have time, they don't have time

986
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: to eat.

987
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: They're too busy end ozempic.

988
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, really, yeah, I believe you. Yeah, you know,

989
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 3: I hope it's I hope we don't find out down

990
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: the road that there's some uh pathological problem to using

991
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: ozembic if you don't really need it. That would not

992
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: be that would not be.

993
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: Uh looking good and looking riches what matters on the Housewives.

994
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: And that mission has been accomplished.

995
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know I'm I have something to work towards.

996
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: Now, absolutely something to aspire.

997
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: So all right, Well, it was so nice to meet

998
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: you and talk to you and get to know you.

999
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: So nice to meet you. You know, you can send

1000
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: all those single men my way, okay, as well as

1001
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: long as they're not used to guys.

1002
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: All right, And anybody listening, if you know anybody, uh

1003
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: that would be right.

1004
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: Please message us at the show. We'll pass it along.

1005
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: Awesome to meet you.

1006
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: And uh someday I want to go shopping with you.

1007
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Perfect and one of the women on who's listening to

1008
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: the show, their father or husband's friend or somebody will

1009
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: be interested in you.

1010
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: So let's see what happens.

1011
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, your lip to their ears.

1012
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: And right around the block is Valentine's day, so in

1013
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: the name of love, let's see if we've got any ideas.

1014
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: Folks, Thank you so much, thank you, Good day you too.