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Speaker 1: Hello, beautiful people. It is La La Kent with my

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Speaker 1: right hand and my brain. Jessica Walter. Hello everybody, dude,

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Speaker 1: we got Brock on the podcast today.

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Speaker 2: Very exciting.

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Speaker 1: We're pre recording.

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Speaker 2: That's just a few days because when this airs, where

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Speaker 2: will you be.

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Speaker 1: Lalla, I'll be in Mexico. We're Brock and Sheena's wedding.

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Speaker 2: That's really exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's exciting. I'm so happy for them. You know, you

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Speaker 1: know how I feel about just marriage, and I did.

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Speaker 1: I did, But you know what, I am totally happy

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Speaker 1: to go and celebrate love. Yeah, so that is and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see Summer Moon. There's just nothing

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Speaker 1: sweeter than, you know, two people just acknowledging the love

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Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, and like making a commitment before. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in my mind it's going this way, making a commitment

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Speaker 1: before go in this little human being that's a part

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Speaker 1: of both of them, goose beautifully. I'm like, fuck marriage.

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Speaker 2: No, that's so exciting.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like, I'm gonna look at all the

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Speaker 2: stories and see what everyone wears. I'm dying to see

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Speaker 2: Sheena's dress.

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Speaker 1: I am too. Do you know what you're wearing. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna leave doing this podcast, and I need

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Speaker 1: to go shopping. I need to go shopping for Mexico. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you know how I took Ocean to

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Speaker 1: Newport Beach. Yes, So we were staying in a hotel

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Speaker 1: room and there was the pack and play that I

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Speaker 1: put her in, and you know, she's very easy, like

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Speaker 1: and have her in the same room as me and

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Speaker 1: she'll go to sleep, right. Yeah, But this night, Gigi

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Speaker 1: was getting her super highee and she was like putting

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Speaker 1: hats on, rolling around, and everybody in there commented and

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Speaker 1: they were like, you need a slumber pod. So I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what is this slumber pod? Yeah? I look it up.

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Speaker 1: It's like a full on like pod, like a tent,

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Speaker 2: That you take on trips. Yes, And it's just like

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Speaker 2: they sleep in there.

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Speaker 1: They sleep in there. I mean, I'm gonna show you

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Speaker 1: a picture, but I'm telling you what it was like,

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Speaker 1: one message after the other saying you need a slumber pod.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm going to look into just getting one,

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Speaker 1: because slumber pod, I mean I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: get in it. Let me say, oh, this is so cool.

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Speaker 2: It legit looks like a tent to google it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it looks like a tent.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at those those little things that bend. That's

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Speaker 2: probably hard to set up too, just like a tent.

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Speaker 2: Do you really think a tent setting up a tent?

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Speaker 2: I have tried so many times and failed every wee.

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Speaker 1: Well, it came highly recommended. So if any of my

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Speaker 1: moms out there have a slumber pod, just is saying,

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Speaker 1: it looks very complex.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a ten, you guys, it looks like

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Speaker 1: Look at what you do? You put it over the

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Speaker 1: pack and play.

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe it just folds then.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it does. I don't know, but I think I

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Speaker 1: that happened, And also a lot of people asking me

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Speaker 1: because I did sleep train, and.

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Speaker 2: She's so healthy. It seems every time I see her

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Speaker 2: she's had Because I've nanny before I've mentioned that on

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Speaker 2: And I bet it's cause I mean they woke up

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Speaker 1: You know, she had like a long day the day

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Speaker 1: before because she was elsewhere at the La Zoo, which

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Speaker 1: literally killed me. Everyone knows how I am with an

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Speaker 1: animals deep dive into certain zoos.

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Speaker 2: She went to the La Zoo, So the La Zoo

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Speaker 2: and hand over their animals to one of the good ones.

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Speaker 1: There's so much wrong with this world, like the you know,

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Speaker 2: And I regret now not saying something because in New

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Speaker 1: Like they're protesting right now. And we go to Bravocon

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll go with you and shame all of them,

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Speaker 2: Shame all them way up, y'all. I'll hold like, hold

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Speaker 2: pictures or hold posters of the facts how many horses

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Speaker 1: And that fucking like whatever they call the guy the loser,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll say, get the horse up. I wanted

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Speaker 1: I was like, you stupid piece of shit. Yep, this

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Speaker 2: Taking the whip, get up, get up, and I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Wiss his act.

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Speaker 2: He's discussed his and the horse was already skin and bones.

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Speaker 1: No, it makes me say, go to my Instagram, sign

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Speaker 1: the petitions that I'll be posting. Please. I will not

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Speaker 1: let up. I will continue to be the crazy person

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Speaker 1: that trolls anyone who goes to a zoo and doesn't

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Speaker 2: And I can't stress enough you guys, with the research

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Speaker 2: does it in Christmas. But it's okay, No, No, do

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Speaker 2: the research, your basic bitch ass wedding with your horse

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Speaker 2: because you want to be Disney princess.

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Speaker 1: For the day. God, none of it's okay. Judging you,

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Speaker 1: housewives because I have become addicted to Jersey Shore. I

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Speaker 1: also very invested in Ron Sammy and I'm like, they

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Speaker 1: I love Sammy.

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Speaker 1: The hair, Oh, the hair makes it him walking around

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Speaker 1: saying caves here, yeah, shirt time. The whole thing is

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Speaker 1: maneuver my way into family vacation, family vacation. Oh I

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Speaker 1: called it family reunion. Okay, maybe it is family. I

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Speaker 1: my boy where every time he arrives and go croiky.

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Speaker 1: We're good? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been good. It's been a good day.

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Speaker 3: A little stressed out with the timing of everything coming up,

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Speaker 3: but super excited. To be honest, we just had to

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Speaker 3: And then we were gone to Houston with a warning

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Speaker 3: hours about it works out better for summer. Everybody trying

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this a lot of people. Well,

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Speaker 1: it could very well be brought up on camera, and

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00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: we got to be prepared.

440
00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was definitely up. We didn't have that conversation

441
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 3: in detail, but it was more of like, I know,

442
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 3: you don't want to talk about your kids, so don't

443
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: talk about them. And I was like, okay, cool. And

444
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 3: then so here we are in Palm Springs and I'm like,

445
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I get it, and we talked about it,

446
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, look like I didn't

447
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 3: want to continue this conversation. But then obviously from that

448
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 3: it brought up concerns for yourself, it brought up other

449
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 3: people's concerns, and so I understand now looking back, people

450
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 3: still want to know that story. Regardless of how bad

451
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 3: it was or everyone's how it happened. People still now curious, like, Okay,

452
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 3: then what is that situation? Because they're invested into you guys,

453
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: and I didn't know that. I didn't realize the impact

454
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: you guys have on the world.

455
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: So do you feel comfortable in a cliff note version

456
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: talking about how old you were when you when you

457
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: had your first two kids and what led to where

458
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: you are today?

459
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could do it a cliff night version.

460
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 3: I was very young when we met. We were like

461
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 3: sixteen when we first met in the high school sixteen

462
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: seventeen sorry, and then and then through that we started dating.

463
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 3: Then we're off and nine we're doing the high school

464
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: breakup get back together stuff, and then we actually fully

465
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 3: split when I moved to Europe to play rugby. And

466
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: then when I was in Europe, I flew her over.

467
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: She had a boyfriend at the time. I was like, well,

468
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 3: here's a flight. She came over. We caught it quits.

469
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 3: I remember that day we said, look, we traveled around.

470
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 3: It was very a good breakup. Actually were like, we

471
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 3: traveled around the world and we're in front of the

472
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in France for the last week I was

473
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: playing in France and we're like, this doesn't work, Like

474
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: we're not happy with each other. And then the next

475
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 3: day was when we found out that she was pregnant.

476
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: That night we went out to dinner and we went

477
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 3: out to our friend's dinner and then she was like

478
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 3: across from us and she was like, oh, my boobs,

479
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: and then all the girls kind of screamed and all

480
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: the rugby boys we were like, okay, went home, did

481
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 3: a pregnancy test and we found out we were pregnant

482
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: with my boy Eli wow, and so we had a conversation,

483
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: We're going back to Australia that next week, and so

484
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: we went back to Australia and during that it was

485
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: kind of like step up to the plate. I was

486
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: raised the Mormon. I talked to my mom, you gotta

487
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: stay but and so we did. We ended up going

488
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 3: back to France for a complemel So I was nineteen

489
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 3: at the time.

490
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, baby baby.

491
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: So we did that. We went back to France together.

492
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: We lived there for half that season. Things were going

493
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: to well with the rugby club financially, they went under

494
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 3: and so then that kind of put a lot of

495
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: pressure on us and all the rugby players internationally. And

496
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: then we went back to Australia. I was in a

497
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 3: midlife crisis only at like twenty one at this time,

498
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: I had a professional career. I just lost it, have

499
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 3: a kid, and then we're in a very toxic relationship.

500
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: And it's not for that. She traveled the world and

501
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 3: gave it all up for me to live my dream.

502
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 3: And that was the bigger pressure was having my partner

503
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 3: there in a different country, just supporting one hundred percent.

504
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: So she didn't have her things, she didn't have her

505
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: time or anything like that, and that was kind of

506
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: a big pressure for both of us. Yeah, and then

507
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 3: so when we went back to Australia during that period,

508
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: of time. I moved, we broke up, we got back together,

509
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 3: we went to council and then the councilor was like,

510
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: you guys don't need to be together, right, He's like

511
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: you definitely, this is too far gone, Like there's so

512
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: much animosity towards each other that you're better off being apart.

513
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: So we separated. And then as we were separating, still

514
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: trying to like backwards and forwards, we found out we're

515
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: fourteen weeks pregnant with our little girl.

516
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: That can I tell you, that's when it happens because

517
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: passionate relationships will do a quote unquote passionate relationships which

518
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: are usually yes, yeah, but it's like the explosion of

519
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: a fight is so passionate that the makeup us yeah,

520
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, and people that's when a lot of babies

521
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: are can see.

522
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 3: It was, it was, it was. It was definitely a

523
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: surprise for both of us.

524
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: What's the age difference between them?

525
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: Just they're a year years and year close, so close. Yes,

526
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: we had you lie. We moved back to Australia and

527
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: then we had that situation pop up. And at that

528
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: point again it was like we went we got an ultrasound,

529
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: We saw a full lown baby. It wasn't like a

530
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: fetus anymore. She was fully developed in this growing her

531
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: best life. So we were at fourteen weeks. So that

532
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: was a point where we decide how did the stay separated?

533
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: But we're going to figure out how we go the

534
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: next steps, but we're all broken up. I was in

535
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: a different state and then during that time, during that time,

536
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 3: I had an argument with her dad over the phone,

537
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: and that's when the domestic violence order got brought in.

538
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: And then they related back to our three four year

539
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 3: history of just angry fighting with each other. Two back

540
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 3: to when we were nineteen and we got into an

541
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: argument and I did slap her. Yeah, it wasn't the

542
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: cause of the domestic violence, but it should never have happened.

543
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: And so that way, when I speak about that, I

544
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 3: know I should never have done that, and it's the

545
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 3: one time I have. And then in the domestic violence order,

546
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: what was brought up was kind of my background of

547
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: being from New Zealand, my parents being split up, my

548
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: domestic violence when I was growing up, so they kind

549
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: of like leaned into all these things. And then I

550
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: wasn't in court to appeel it when they served me

551
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: with the papers. I wasn't present because I didn't get served.

552
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: The officer serving me, and this is ridiculous. The officer

553
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 3: serving me was out of the country on holiday, so

554
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: the papers sat on this table. He comes back, lets

555
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: me know that I didn't appear in court, so it's

556
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: been it's been upheld, so I need to apply for

557
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 3: a court appearance to get it dropped. We go to

558
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: the court four months later and it gets dropped. I

559
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: submit my evidence, He understands we got dropped, and then

560
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: we started talking again. I got to see my little girl,

561
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: I got to spend some time with Eli. And during

562
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: that four month breakup period we were I was already

563
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 3: transitioning to go what happens if I can get a

564
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: work out in the NFL? And so that was kind

565
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: of where I was like, I'm not I can't play

566
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: rugby this season. Where can I go play professional sports somewhere?

567
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: What can I do? And obviously she was in a

568
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: new relationship it still is with the same guy. And

569
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: this is a very important message that never got shown

570
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: or talked about because I didn't want to talk about

571
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: their relationship. Now that now that we've made up and

572
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: we're actually talking legend of a guy. And from the

573
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: beginning when they started dating and I was out of

574
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: the picture, he stepped up to the plate. He's always

575
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: been there for the two kids. And that was where

576
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: our period of time I'm not seeing him. Once I

577
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: moved to America, he stepped up to a point where

578
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: they don't They didn't need to have me or my

579
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 3: mom or my family sitting around going oh, how's the kids,

580
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: because it's kind of antagonizing to their parenting, right, And

581
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: so cliff note fast forward. As we went through that

582
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: period of the relationship where that kid I moved to America,

583
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: it just grew bigger and bigger apart because I wasn't

584
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: there and the kids had somebody there. And then never

585
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: let the conversation came up with his family. And then

586
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: where you're not stepping up, you say you are, but

587
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: you're not. And in my head, it's fun because it's

588
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: hard because when we've talked about it on the show

589
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: with everybody watching, I've never spoken about that period ever,

590
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: And in my head, I was like, yeah, I'm working

591
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: on it, I'm doing it, But I never internally processed

592
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: the damage I did, the damage that affected the kids

593
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: and what all of that. I never took that into account, you.

594
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: Know I have and obviously with my situation, and you

595
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: hear a story like that, and you want to say, like,

596
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: why didn't you fight harder? Why didn't you give more

597
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: of a damn? And what I'm hearing with this is

598
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: you made the best decision for those two kids. How

599
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: is their life going to be fulfilled with stability consistency

600
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: and that is very important for children. And if you

601
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: felt like it was the best decision, and the mom

602
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: their mom felt like that was the best decision, it

603
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: sounds like you two agreed on this.

604
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: I guess we agreed on it, But I took it

605
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: as like you're not going to you know, I took

606
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: it as the immature version of like, oh, you're gonna

607
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: take me, Like this guy's not going to rate, Like

608
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: I was really upset about not having access, but at

609
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: the same time, I knew deep down that that was

610
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: the best thing for the kids and it still is.

611
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 3: And say like that was the hardest thing for me

612
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: to kind of remind myself, like, Okay, I'm their dad,

613
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: but I'm not the right person to raise these kids.

614
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: They're in a good situation with somebody that is treating

615
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: them like their own kids. They have now a little sister,

616
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: and he's been around the whole time. He's taught and

617
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: it was just like it was. It wasn't an ego trip.

618
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: It was just it was just hard to get my

619
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: head wrapped around fact that, you know what, I did

620
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: have two kids, but I wasn't a good dad for them.

621
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: You know, I think that being being a dad or

622
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: a mom, that's not a right, that's a luxury. You

623
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: don't just get the title of a dad because you

624
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: shot some sperm. You don't get you don't just get

625
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: to be a father, you know. I agree, Yes, So

626
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: I think you saying that, you know, you were obviously

627
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: very young, and we can sit here and say this

628
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: is what you should have done, and we can go

629
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: back and forth all day long. The bottom line is

630
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: how are the two children doing? Right? Yes, it's about

631
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I think I think about this all the time because

632
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: obviously my world blew up and you want to think

633
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: that everything is cookie cutter. But at the end of

634
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: the day, take all the shit out of it with

635
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: both parents, what is going to benefit these kids so

636
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: they can go out into the world and not have

637
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, years and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

638
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: of fucking therapy to get over the traumas that the

639
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: parents have caused. And so I respect the decision that

640
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: you made. I respect their mom, and I am wondering

641
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: do they know like, do they know you?

642
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? So that was the harder part because once we

643
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: started reconnecting and talking to them, Wins had no problem

644
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: coming up on the FaceTime and being like hey, like

645
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: how aya, But then Eli didn't want to, and he's

646
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: still it's still at a point where he does because

647
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: for him I was a big influence with them, and

648
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: when it wasn't around he was three, but he still

649
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: knew that and he still felt that. So we're still

650
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: working on that relationship. The rule is it's up to

651
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: the kids, and so me and their mother text backwards

652
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: and forwards. I just check in on them how they're doing.

653
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: And Trevor, their kids stepdad is this or their dad

654
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: is an absolute legend. He's like, well, grab a beer

655
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: when you're in town, Like not a problem, Like, let's

656
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: not make this a thing. Let's just move forward, which

657
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: is what I was doing. I was making it a thing,

658
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: wasn't I I was? I was avoiding the hard things.

659
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, younger to thought that out. And

660
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 3: then after this came out, and once it came out

661
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: on the show, it really just came at me with

662
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: like I was like, well, I just have to do it.

663
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: I can't just sit there and say I'm doing something.

664
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to take care of this. How do I

665
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: fix this? How do I step How do I solve

666
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: the problem that I close for myself instead of just

667
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: putting it off and prolonging that hortshit between me and

668
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: my ex And now we're at a better place. So

669
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: the fact that we're like, we're homies, but she respects

670
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: that I said sorry, She respects all of that. And

671
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: then at the same time, I just I'm so happy

672
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: that the kids have her.

673
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled about it, and I love where you are

674
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: right now. And you know, people can give you all

675
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: the advice in the world, but a situation like that,

676
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: every situation is so complex and there's so many little

677
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: nuances where it's like you can't even give advice or

678
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: say what you would have done because you really don't

679
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: fucking know. Right, Yeah, you do the best you can

680
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: with the situation that maybe you created for yourself that

681
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: was handed to you. And you know, Brock and I

682
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: have spoken about this a lot. In my mind, I

683
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: was coming from a place because I didn't know you well,

684
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: and I know Sheena and you know her picker just

685
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: like my picker has been off on many occasions and

686
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: where you're waving red flags in our faces and we're like,

687
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: what hit pink to me? Color blind as fuck? Yeah,

688
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to protect her because her heart

689
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: is so pure, right, My main goal in all of

690
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: it was just protection. In her mind, she's like, I

691
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: found the man of my dreams and now the father

692
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: of my child? What are you doing? Laala? Like, shut

693
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: your fucking mouth. Hindsight, maybe I should have shut my mouth,

694
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have approached it in a different way.

695
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: But again, you just do the best you can with

696
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: whatever situation you're in.

697
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: And this old perspective and all informational, right, that word perspected,

698
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: it's a killa. It's a real thing. Like we can

699
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: look at this newspaperodical in front of us, and we

700
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: can look at from different angles early times. Yeah, there's

701
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: only one hour and you to read this one right here,

702
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: that's right. But in a life and I think we

703
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: get offended by somebody else's perceptions. Sometimes we don't and

704
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: it's like wow, and it's like no one is, no

705
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: one's in it. They gets so crazy like America and

706
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: I love it here, but there's a different world outside

707
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: of America on top of that. So you add cultural

708
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: differences and all that, and it's like I love everyone

709
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: about in Australia, Like, oh, you could have had the

710
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: same in Australia, but I'm telling you, guys, you have

711
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: an accent and driving America, you're going places in Australia,

712
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm just like a trade that's digging holes and having

713
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: a chat and getting off of like that's it. I haven't.

714
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: It's iny at ten o'clock, like it's it right. But

715
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: over here you can have there's opportunities. And that was

716
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: a hard one for everyone. Well what about it's not

717
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: a cop out, bro come to America. I left my

718
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: family to try to get out of the hole, which

719
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: which was low income my mom was. We lived in projects,

720
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: we lived in low income areas, and the only reason

721
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 3: I got out of that was because my last two

722
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: years of school I got off at a bought scholarships.

723
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: So that was my way out, what would it be?

724
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: My education horrible case in point. I never was good

725
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: at school, suffered from it a lot, and so growing

726
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: up I thought I was either going to be a

727
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: dairy farm on my whole life, which is what my

728
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: stepdad did and still does, or that was it. There

729
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 3: was no other option for me. It was building, it

730
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: was construction. It was trade work, hard work, and to

731
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: get into it, and I'm a fan of hard work.

732
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: But then when I had the opportunity to play rugby

733
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: at nineteen or eighteen i started playing that, I was like, oh,

734
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: this could be a career to get my family out

735
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: of the projects, you know, And so that was the

736
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: driving force behind it. And since eighteen when I realized

737
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: like I could put my body and my skills. I

738
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: was never the talented, but I'd know i'd work hard

739
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: at it, and that was the vision I've always had.

740
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: And then within that big vision, there was sacrifices and

741
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: losses that I stepped out on. But I think it's

742
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: very perspective and unfair for people to be like, well

743
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: what about this when you people don't understand, People don't

744
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: really get. And even when I came at you and

745
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: I was ripping your head off. When I was pissed

746
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: off in the show, I was like, bloody rain drivers

747
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: and Beverly Hills is not normal because for me it

748
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: was a perspective of where I came from.

749
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, I do know. People can sit

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: there and it's like if you you can't weigh in

751
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: on if you if you were born and raised in

752
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the United States and you grew up a certain way,

753
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: it's hard for you to understand, like what Brock is saying,

754
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: if you've never been to Australia in the situation he

755
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: was placed in, you can't say you could have done

756
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: that in Australia. How the fuck do we know what

757
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: you could or couldn't do in Australia.

758
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's not ripping on ipswich And if

759
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: everyone's listening from back home from ipswitch, I love it, Pepe,

760
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: but listen, bro it's not that if you know where

761
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: are you? Yeah, if you know, you know. And I

762
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: think with time and just understanding that and learning, there's

763
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: no playbook in life. And I think that's the best

764
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: reason why podcasts are so great, because people want to

765
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: hear everyone else's experiences. They want to hear another perspective,

766
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: and then they're going to get go on to those

767
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: same perspectives around them so they can kind of find

768
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: similarities in it. Yeah, and reality is there's that many

769
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: and not going to always agree and look at look

770
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: at the world we're in right now.

771
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we just and I talk about that a lot,

772
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: like perspective and people coming from different areas, and just

773
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: we so often judge people just based off of what

774
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: you see in front of you, without thinking about what

775
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: that person has been through to get them to where

776
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: they are. And if we don't vibe with someone, we

777
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: have to at least respect the trials and tribulations they've

778
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: gone through to get to where they are. Let's find

779
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: common ground. I feel like we've done that. And by

780
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: the way, range Rovers and being in Beverly Hills, I mean,

781
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm not from anywhere that's you know, I grew up

782
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: in a very privileged area, but I certainly wasn't driving

783
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: around in range Rovers, you know, as a ghost ride

784
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: in the fucking Ford Expedition. You know, my friend's going

785
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: to private school and you had a car, you had wheels.

786
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, I used to love I used to love

787
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: my story, this one story of my mom is like, Mom,

788
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: can I go to the movie theater. She's like, yeah,

789
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: you can go to the movies. And the movie ticket

790
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 3: In Australia, a ticket to the movie is eight dollars.

791
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: Popcorn might be like two three dollars, and then like

792
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: a ticket, it's like three dollars, so to go to

793
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: the movies. But Mom, yeah, it's I get ten bucks

794
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: to go to the movies. She's like, hey, you go.

795
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: And then so I get given ten dollars to go

796
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: to the movies, but I still have to pay for

797
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: my train ride and figure it out. So this was

798
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: my thing. I used to go from Mipswich to injur Pilly,

799
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: jump on the train. If like the train inspector's gone on,

800
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 3: I got off and I got back on the next trainer.

801
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: I'd run off and then you jump on another carriage

802
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: and just get there to jump the train. And then

803
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: and then when I get to the get to the

804
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: movie theater, I'd buy my ticket. And then when people

805
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: would finish a movie, they would have their refill coupons

806
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: on their popcorn and they throw them away. So I

807
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: pull out of the trash, grab the refund copon, go

808
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: up to the front of it. Can I get a

809
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: fresh box and you get free popcorn? But that was

810
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: that was that was just like it is what I

811
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: wanted to go with my friends. I wanted to keep

812
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: the normal, normal things with my friends after school or

813
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: on weekends. But that was how I did movies.

814
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: Then this is fascinating trends going through garbage.

815
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what that's what it is. Trash is another

816
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: man's free pop ports.

817
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: Right.

818
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So then with your it sounds like you and

819
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: Sheena probably had different upbringings or grew up a bit

820
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: differently a little bit. Do you think that that plays

821
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: and how you raise summer?

822
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: Have you had to work that question?

823
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, this is this is the question. This is

824
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 3: out life.

825
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: By the way I've seen it, I've seen her.

826
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 3: Because we're both like we're doing it for the best

827
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: of the best, yes, and the ultimate outchemist to teach

828
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: her the best of us, to be honest. But yeah,

829
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: we definitely a conversation. You should definitely have more than

830
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: after six months of having a conversation with somebody dating.

831
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: You need to have those conversations because you're you're it's

832
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: so fun. We get to imprint on her, like we literally,

833
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: and I'm in a different situation when I was when

834
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: I was nineteen, Yes, I know for a fact I

835
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: still was doing good things. But now I'm in a

836
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: different position to actually just enjoy those moments. But it's

837
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: definitely hard.

838
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I know. Sheena Sheena like

839
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: baby baby, baby, Baby's her baby. Obviously, you know she's

840
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: she suffered a miscarriage. Summer is her. She has been

841
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: through what many women have been through. I can't relate,

842
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: but she is just that is her angel, right, not

843
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: saying it's not Brocks, but Brock is, like she's tough.

844
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lie. Parenting back in the day had some lady.

845
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: You gotta yeah, Parenting back in the day was ruthless.

846
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: We were, and I think we're realizing now the impact

847
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: that that has on everybody, you know, especially with especially

848
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: with this like what's the word I'm trying to say,

849
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: just with kind of like the mind fuckery, the impact

850
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: that really has on us, right, And so we had

851
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: to we had a family argument slash open table, because

852
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: this is the best part about me is my family.

853
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm the youngest of five, my mom was with the

854
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: youngest with my dad. He had all five kids, and

855
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: when I was three two and a half, they split up,

856
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: and so that rocked my whole family. Were born into

857
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: the Mormon Church, born and raised in New Zealand and

858
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: good old Mormons, and say we're the family that has.

859
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: A split parent, definitely looked down upon.

860
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: And then so my eldest brother, at the age of

861
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: eighteen was an Olympic swimmer. He was doing water polo

862
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: for New Zealand. He was crushing it then and then

863
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: he found a girl and then started partying and then

864
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: ended up in gangs and ended up in jail for

865
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: doing the stupid things stealing cars and this guy down

866
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: the wrong track. And then my other brother underneath them,

867
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: when my parents split up, it affected him differently. He

868
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: ran away at home at fourteen and we're half moldy,

869
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 3: but he's running around with like gang members and doing

870
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: dumb things in and out of juvie, stealing and doing

871
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: dumb things. So and then my other sister that that

872
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: separation affected her because she ended up being an alcoholic

873
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: at like twelve or thirteen. Wow, and so now she's

874
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 3: like eighteen years sober.

875
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: Now, oh my god.

876
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: So that's why that's like like sobriety when James and

877
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 3: all that. For me, I'm just like, I don't want

878
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: to like overstep because I don't know that. But yeah,

879
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: my sister's eighteen years sober. Wow, and I think she

880
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 3: I think she might be nineteen coming up to twenty.

881
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: Like she's crushing it, crushing. And so then there was

882
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 3: me and my sister, the youngest two that just saw

883
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: a whole that I saw a whole family crumble from

884
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: all of that, and so I just learned from their mistakes.

885
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: I never touched a drug until I was like twenty,

886
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: till I end on America and finished football and that

887
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: was the end of that closure.

888
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: Like America's great.

889
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: Who what is this cannabis?

890
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: You know?

891
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: And even when I talk about it with my mom,

892
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: she gets she's like, oh, drugs, it's bad. It's like

893
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: it's better than pharmaceutical. But anyways, have.

894
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Your has your family met?

895
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Summer?

896
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: So my mom and my two sisters, have my two

897
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: older brothers. They're ones in New Zealand, ones in Australia.

898
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: They have not yet got. Hopefully at the end of

899
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: this year we're going to get back to Australia because

900
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: the pandemic was the real thing. But my mom and

901
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: the sister, they're actually at my house right now with summer.

902
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: They for the wedding. So they're here for the wedding.

903
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: And I picked my mom up two days ago, my

904
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: sister yesterday, and then my other sister comes in tomorrow

905
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: and then we've got the wedding and then yeah, that's

906
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: that's the best part. But that's my family, right, And

907
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: so like when I talk about perspective, like that's where

908
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: mine comes from. Like I don't want to and I

909
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: feel like I just want to retire my mom. I

910
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: needed her to stop working. She's a prison officer. I

911
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: don't know if I haven't bragged about that enough.

912
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: She is.

913
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: She's a prison officer still still is.

914
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: So she grew up and the inmates call her mom.

915
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

916
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: Is it in all women's prisoners prison.

917
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: Or men's men's max start. Yeah. So she grew up

918
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: with my dad. She was working in like retail for

919
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: her whole life, dude retail, worked at like a makeup artist,

920
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: like we go into like those norserooms, and that was

921
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: my mom. And then like and then she was like,

922
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 3: I want to change, So she applied for the police

923
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: force and that and then she ended up getting a

924
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: government job at the men's prison. She's been there for

925
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: like nearly twenty years now.

926
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: And she tough. Is she a tough woman?

927
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: She she's a strong woman. Yeah, she's strong. Like she's

928
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: like she's like she's strong and she just like she's

929
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: so much. I'm so proud of her, Like she just

930
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: carries her and then she just works her use off.

931
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: So I want to That's my goal is take care

932
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: of my family because I learned all my lessons from

933
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: them and if that meant maybe those sacrifices I thought up,

934
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: they were appropriate at the time I did that, and

935
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: that was with work, that was with football everything. So

936
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: but that's that's kind of like, that's my perspective of

937
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: life is because we did come from that. I remember,

938
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: you know, when we're growing up. My mom had to

939
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: buy our house and that was the first house she

940
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: brought by herself. And I had money in the bank

941
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: because I lost my finger when I was four. And

942
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: so every year I get I got, I get a

943
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: check because I'm sixteen percent whole body incompetent, Like my

944
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: limb is never going to grow back.

945
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: What wait, what is this? I don't know this story.

946
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: What what know?

947
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: No to wait, let me see you. I see okay, brock,

948
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: I had no idea you only had four fingers.

949
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I tell her when it was a crocodile.

950
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: But I guess I could tell everyone in the real.

951
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: Story that's here for anyone.

952
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: We do the crocodile story or the real story the

953
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 3: real store. So we grew up on the dairy farm.

954
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: And then one afternoon I was in the yard and

955
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: it's a circular yard, and there's a pin in the

956
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: middle of a gate, just like a clockhand, and as

957
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: it rotates around, it pushes the cattle onto the table

958
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: to get milked. And when it gets to about seven o'clock,

959
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: there's a side gate and you take the bulls out

960
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: of the side because you don't want the bulls to

961
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: go onto the milking table because you can't milk a ball. Yeah, stupid,

962
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: my prospective. Everybody, there's me, four and a half years old,

963
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: walk past this big bull and I walked raight past

964
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: them to get him out to the side. So I

965
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: walked behind him and as every day I go kiss

966
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: and I kind of like clack my hands like come on,

967
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: get out, and instead of him getting up it started

968
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: at him and he kicked me, and so I fell

969
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: back onto the gate that was behind me, and it

970
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: just so happened that the cover was off, and then

971
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: I rolled my hand in and it rolled in like gears,

972
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: caught my hand and then it crushed crushed my first

973
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: finger okay, flangie number one, my pointer okay, and a

974
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: bit of the two. But then it actually crushed all

975
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: of my hand in. So they had to do like

976
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: bone graft, skin graft. It was hectic. That was wild.

977
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Do you wash your entire hand?

978
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? I went to the well, we're on the farm,

979
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: so we had to go to the vet in town. Well,

980
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: this is rural. I had to go to the vet

981
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: and then they wrapped it up in a bandage and

982
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: then I had to get airlifted to the hospital, which

983
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: was like two hours away.

984
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember feeling pain or were you in shock?

985
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: Never? Pain, but I remember talking about it over and

986
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: over at there was the widest white I've ever seen

987
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: in my life, which was my bone, and then there

988
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: was a point. Yeah, it's it's it's gnally.

989
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: What does it have to do with your liver though,

990
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: or is that different? Did you say liver?

991
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: No, just like just how I was raised.

992
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: No, I thought, limb okay, okay.

993
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back to how I was raised. So that

994
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: happened when I was four and a half, and then

995
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: since then, for the rest of my life, I get

996
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: like one thousand dollars a year. I was like, cool,

997
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: I'll take that whatever like that, I mean whatever, yeah,

998
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 3: And so that was going into my bank account for

999
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: like ten twelve years. So I had like, like, what

1000
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: was that ten to twelve thousand dollars? And so I

1001
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: remember my mom was buying her first house and she

1002
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: was short, and then she cried to me. She was like,

1003
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: I need to use your money to buy the house.

1004
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 3: I was like, it's fine, I owned these four bricks

1005
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: right here. But that was just that's just my mom,

1006
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: Like she deserves everything, and she's taking care of five

1007
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: of us, you know, and unfortunately for her, she wears

1008
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: her burdens through us our mistakes, she carries them as

1009
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: her own. And so like when this came out, I

1010
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: couldn't tell my mom to stay off social media because

1011
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: she cannot help herself, and I just destroyed her more.

1012
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: And so this made that kind of like, yeah, do you.

1013
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Do you regret asking or anything? Lala or is it

1014
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: just one of those things where you're like, we could

1015
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: only do what we could do. At the time, I

1016
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: thought it was I thought it was appropriate, and I

1017
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: thought I was trying to protect Sina.

1018
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I would have I would have done it very differently.

1019
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I would have I would have pulled her aside and

1020
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: asked her and, you know, said are you good? Do

1021
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: you know about this stuff? I just would have I

1022
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: would have done it very differently, just differently. I don't

1023
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: want to say that I wish I wouldn't have brought

1024
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: it up, especially now with the situation I'm in. I'm

1025
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: very like I used to be protective of women, I

1026
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: am like beyond protective of women now. So I think

1027
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: had it happened after my situation, I would have been

1028
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: much more delicate, got it. Yeah.

1029
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1030
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people, especially Sandoval, like to say that

1031
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm on my high horse. Everyone needs to get over it.

1032
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Me and the horse that's high are connected, right, I'm

1033
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: not falling off. I'm on doors. I enjoy it. I

1034
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: am fallen off. But I would have done it differently, Okay, Yes, yeah,

1035
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: And I probably would have had the I would have

1036
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: probably brought Brock into the situation as well, to say

1037
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about my friend, even though you don't owe

1038
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: me anything, just give me peace of mind for my friends.

1039
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Let's just talk it out. Instead, it was more aggressive.

1040
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: And unfortunately that's how that's how I feel like when

1041
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: the cameras are up, they kind of like encourage that

1042
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: they're not going to be like, hey, you should have

1043
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: like a side conversation. You know, you kind of feel like, well,

1044
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: I got to tell you how I feel because other

1045
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: people feel like this, and that's that's that's like the

1046
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: trouble when cameras go up sometimes not. And I realized

1047
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: that after watching you know, the worst thing to do

1048
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: was watch those last five episodes in twenty four hour

1049
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: span before the reunion, Yeah, because then I'm just sitting

1050
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 3: here just sezing, so you man on top of like

1051
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: the first half of like okay, oh here we go. Yeah,

1052
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: and it just hit me. So when I went into

1053
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: that reunion, I don't know what. First off, I should

1054
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: never have been in this view, I should never have

1055
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: been at that reunion. I should never have been a

1056
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: main cast member season one. First off, because I mean,

1057
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: you got the best of me, you got all of

1058
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: there and that was raw, but like I didn't know

1059
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: how to handle myself. And so when I was in there,

1060
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: even Laa said she's like brocks someone because like I

1061
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: was just I did it and then she wasn't there

1062
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: you could be a person. So there I am just

1063
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: yelling at a TV because I'm hurt and it's just

1064
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: like he's crazy. Yeah, And that was like that was

1065
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: my downfall because obviously if I could have taken a

1066
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: second to understand that, you know what that happened. And

1067
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm angry at myself, but I'm taking it out on

1068
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: La La. I'm taking it out on everybody else. I

1069
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: wish I had that common sense because I know that's

1070
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: within me to have that kind of temper to slow

1071
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: down and be aware of that. But I didn't have

1072
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: it that day, and it did not come across it.

1073
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: You know the r I so I could tell you

1074
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: were on tang you had ever right to be on ten.

1075
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: I was going through my own ship. There was like

1076
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: the bigger things happening in my life than what this

1077
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: reunion was. I was kind of zoned down. Yeah, but

1078
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: I shake things off pretty quickly. When people say I'll

1079
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: forgive you, but I'll never forget. It's like, well, then

1080
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: what's the point of forgiving me, because if you're never

1081
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: going to forget, like that doesn't make much sense to me.

1082
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: I literally forgive, forget, move on clean slate. So during

1083
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: that moment, it was like, what, I may feel some

1084
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: type of way, but I'll shake it off pretty quickly,

1085
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: did you, guys, I'm no stranger to going.

1086
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 3: Off on because because I also say because my problem

1087
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: with that was like I never gave my I never

1088
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: gave myself time to understand what you were dealing with. Hey,

1089
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: because we also didn't realize what we were.

1090
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Dealing with, right, you know, until we read all times.

1091
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: You know. But yeah, so that was that was another one.

1092
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: We didn't realize that on top of it. But I

1093
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: didn't even I didn't even make it available in my

1094
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: thought process to be like what are you going through?

1095
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: Because I was so hurt, I was so pissed, and

1096
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: it was it was you know that I think the

1097
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: biggest lesson for me from that it is like when

1098
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 3: you feel like I'm in that, when I'm hurt, I

1099
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 3: needed people need to do better, and being like why

1100
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: are you really hurt? Because it's not for any of

1101
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 3: this it's because you're not happy with your actions from

1102
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: back and then, but just don't repeat it. So me

1103
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: being angry in that situation didn't help.

1104
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm the perfect person to go off on.

1105
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I mean you can. I feel

1106
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: like we have our moments, but at the same time,

1107
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: in real world we kind of like dustle off our

1108
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: shoulders because reality is, if there's a problem, you're the

1109
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 3: problem because it's not my problem. Because you're thinking it

1110
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 3: not me. It sounds like you have a problem. I'm

1111
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: walking this way right, But in that I had a

1112
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: problem and I should have just walked on from it

1113
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: and be like perfect, whatever, what's the problem.

1114
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: I think it's good to purge. I think it is true.

1115
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: Did either of you reach out to the other after,

1116
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: because obviously, like you said at the reunion, tensions were high.

1117
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: Was there a moment where one of you reached out

1118
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: to the other and we're like we have to talk.

1119
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I think, brog didn't you reach out to me? I

1120
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: believe you sent me a text that said that you

1121
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: were sorry, and right after that it was like we're good, bro.

1122
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, I think I think I did

1123
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: reach out just because like once I once you see yourself,

1124
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, yeah, and look and I get it.

1125
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: And the response I got on social media was valid.

1126
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: You know, our audience. And this is another thing you

1127
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: didn't even take ano account because I didn't think of

1128
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: it as a show. I literally I thought of it

1129
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: as she and a close friends and we get to

1130
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: have this opportunity to do these great things. And that's

1131
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: what I was was enjoying now. I was like, this

1132
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: is such a fun season. You know, the audience that

1133
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: watches it, the majority of them are females, you know,

1134
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: you know, and then they want to be represented properly,

1135
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: especially in twenty twenty two. And so that's like a

1136
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: big one to be aware of, you know, around the world,

1137
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 3: Like there is a change happening and it's a positive change.

1138
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: And so my ignorance didn't help that movement, you know,

1139
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: And I respect that and I understand that, and so

1140
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I can be more aware

1141
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: of that. You know.

1142
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I love that. We love growth. I love a good growth.

1143
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: Girlth it's also good for everyone else to learn these too.

1144
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: Don't make the same mistake card. It's hard to say

1145
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: that learn from all the people, but that's why we

1146
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: get to talk about it.

1147
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Yes, we're all out in these streets, just doing the best.

1148
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: We fund swing it.

1149
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: To survive. I love it, Rock. Thank you so much

1150
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: for being on the podcast being so open about your past.

1151
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: You're a fucking champion, dude.

1152
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 3: Love you, honey. It's been great. Thanks for talking. And uh,

1153
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: let's live on the summer. It's gonna be a good summer.

1154
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: I love it. We're headed to Mexico. I love you

1155
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: guys so much. I'll catch you next week.