1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Go ahead and figure out the amount of money that 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: you're going to spend on your kid's travel sport for 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: the next eight to ten years, and go invest in 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: That is your best guarantee to have money for college. 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: It's not putting your kid through sport, because I don't 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: think it's fair to put that pressure on a kid 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: to say, hey, you're going to play a high level sport, 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna be committed to it so that we can 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: pay for your college. 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacor from the 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with Paul Jobson, professional 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: soccer coach, recruiting consultant, and sports parents coach. Jobson is 15 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: a National A licensed coach who finished his fourteenth and 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: final season at Baylor and his ninth as head coach 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. He led the Bears to back 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: to back NCAA Tournament Elite Eate appearances in twenty seventeen. 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, helped guide Baylor to three of four 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: Big twelve regular season and tournament titles in program history 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: and was named Big twelve Coach of the Year in 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. Paul is the co founder of Warrior Way 23 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: Soccer and his senior consultant at Sports Recruiting USA. Coach 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: Jobson and I discussed the value of working with a 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 2: paid organization to help with the college recruiting process, academic 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: and athletic scholarships, and the importance of balance in parenting 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: athletic kids. All right, back at it. This is a 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: guest from the past. I want to say guests from 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: the past, because we first connected had a conversation back 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: when reformed sports parent at the time was just starting. 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: He was gracious enough to really give me insight and 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: his background on the soccer side, and his playing and 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: coaching experience, and of course being a sports parent, but 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: really excited to have me set some things going on 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: that I think are going to be very insightful Coach 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Paul Jobson. Coach Jobson, thanks so much for hopping on. 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: Man, Nick Man. Good to talk to you again. 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: For sure, it touched us up to speed. You were 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: the head soccer coach at Baylor, so was your wife Marcy. 40 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: But now you're in a new get what's going to 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: kind of recap us where you were a year ago, 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: where you are now, and kind of what's going up? 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's crazy because time is flying by. We stepped 44 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: out of Baylor about two and a half years ago now, 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: so time is flying. But got to the point where, 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've got four young kids between seven and fourteen, 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: and just realized time was flying by and I was 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: missing more than I wanted to. Obviously, the requirements to 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: be a high level soccer coach are great, and it 50 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: was a wonderful time, and Baylor was great to me 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: and my family. When it came down to weigh and 52 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: you know what was most important, was it driving and 53 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: leading a soccer team or was it driving and leading 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: my family? And chose my family obviously. So stepped out 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: of that about two and a half years ago, and 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: Marcy and I are running a faith based soccer program 57 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: here in Waco as well as some partners in Latin America. 58 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: And then I'm also working with an organization called sr USA, 59 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: which is a soccer specific recruiting service here as well. 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: So amongst some other things, those are the basic things 61 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: that that we've stepped into. Right now, A. 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: Monk struggling four kids. I got your beat. I have six. 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: But either way, well, you know the old analogy, and 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: I heard it. It's like once you's once you have 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: more than two and you're playing zone, it don't matter. 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: I mean, you might as well have ten at that point. 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: It's insane. It's a blessing. But holy cow, they they 68 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: keep you young. But I feel like the days at times, 69 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm aging in dog years. At times 70 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: my youngest son, Talent, wears me out. 71 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 72 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, when we tried to when we played a three 73 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: B three basketball last night, the six of us in 74 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: the household, I tend to be the least mobile of 75 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: all of them. So it's kind of a scary realization. 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: It's awesome. But congrats on doing what you're doing. It's 77 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: like we talked about a little bit offline. I am 78 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: really fascinated, coach with your dive into and I had 79 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: Don Williams on right. He's uh with with s R 80 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: U s A. He gave us great insight. Love Don. 81 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I love the work he does, and I have a 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: little bit of expressions. I have an experience in this side, 83 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: but I from the baseball side, no firsthand that when 84 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: it comes to recruiting and recruiting services, and more importantly, 85 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: being able to maybe get a kid a look, you know, 86 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: a kid a look. Maybe you know from what I 87 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: have learned, because I've been able to do it just 88 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: not by soliciting, but just from relationships. It's like if 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: you know someone, like really know someone and have a 90 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: relationship and they trust you, that I know plays a role. 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: But then you see recruiting services out there pay X 92 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: amount of dollars a month and it's almost like I 93 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: hear college coaches tell me that there's sometimes spam email 94 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: that they're almost like pulling the wool over parents' eyes, 95 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: like they don't take certain organizations or companies emails or 96 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: information seriously while others they do. And Don Williams in 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: fact told me, you know specifically that his relationships have 98 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: gone for twenty plus years of being an NCAA coach. 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: So break it down, like, and I know you can 100 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: speak on soccer specifically, what is the value proposition for 101 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: a sports parent for their kid to pay for an 102 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: organization to help them in the recruiting and maybe like 103 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: what are signs to look out for those companies that 104 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: you might not want to get quote unquote in bed. 105 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: With Yeah, Nick, I mean, honestly, a little bit of 106 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: background when I was When I was a college soccer coach, 107 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: I did not talk to recruiting services forever. 108 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: You know. 109 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: I would delete the emails, I would ignore the phone 110 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: calls because everybody had the player that was perfect for me, 111 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: but knew nothing about my program, knew nothing about me, 112 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: had no relationship with me. So I did not use 113 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: them until I met Don Williams. To be quite honest 114 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: with you, and Don we built a relationship and it 115 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: got to the point where Don would call and just say, hey, 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I got a kid who I think might be a 117 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: kid you might be interested. Just take a look at 118 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: the video, let me know what you think. And I 119 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: did that and began to realize that Don knew what 120 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: he was talking about, and he never sent me a 121 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: video that was so far out of reach that, you know, 122 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: I was like, this guy's crazy. So when I got 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: out of coaching, Don and I still had a great relationship, 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: and after about a year and a half or so, 125 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: I was already kind of, like you said, people are 126 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: calling me for advice anyway, Hey, Paul, you're in the 127 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: game forever. You know, my kids this, or I have 128 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: this friend that needs this advice and I was giving 129 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: advice anyway, so it became about those relationships. So I 130 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: say that just to say there is a new recruiting service. 131 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: I feel like popping up every week, honestly, And there 132 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: are a million out there, and I can't speak to 133 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: every single one of them, but I think the things 134 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: that you're looking for as a family, I'll say this, 135 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: and this is what I say the people that I'm 136 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: talking to on a daily basis is, listen, you may 137 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: not need my service, but what we're gonna do is 138 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna figure out if 139 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you do or not. Because there are plenty of families 140 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: that can navigate this process by themselves plenty, but there's 141 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: others who are like, man, I just don't feel comfortable 142 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: navigating this huge decision that our family is going to 143 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: go through on my own. And I equate it to 144 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: things like, hey, listen, I have an accounting degree, I'm 145 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: pretty good with finances, but I have someone who manages 146 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: my finances for me. I have a financial person that 147 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: I that I call for advice before I make financial moves, 148 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: right like there's an expert. You want an expert, then 149 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: there are great companies out there that have experts that 150 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: have you know, twenty thirty. You know, as an organization, 151 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: we have over three hundred years of college coaching experience 152 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: that we can help with our families. So I say 153 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: that to say, listen, not everybody needs a recruiting service. 154 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: But I think what you need to do is you 155 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: need to make sure that if you're contacting these organizations 156 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: that they're having a real conversation with you. They're asking 157 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: you the right questions, and it's not just you asking 158 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: them questions as well. They're getting to know you. They're 159 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: getting to know kind of what your ideas are, what 160 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: your thoughts and processes are, and what relationships do these 161 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: services have. You know, like I said, s or USA, 162 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: our organization has a work three hundred years of college 163 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: coaching experience. Say most if not all, of our people 164 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: are former college coaches. Those are relationships. You know, I'm 165 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: one phone call away from just about every college coach 166 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: in the country, whether I have them in my phone 167 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: or somebody in our organization does, right, So it is 168 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: about relationships, so you know, and being able to evaluate talent, 169 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: not to find out who the most talent the kids are. 170 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: But where does that talent fit? And you know, if 171 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: you're talking to me, Nick, and you like, hey, my 172 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: kid's a d one uh soccer player, you know, And 173 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: I watched the video and I don't I don't think 174 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: so my job is to tell you that as the professional, 175 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: and if Nick, you and I can't agree on that, 176 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: I can't work with you. Right, So there's got to 177 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: be some give and take, right, Hey, I'm the expert 178 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: on where I think we're going to fight hard to 179 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: find the right fit for your kid academically, athletically, socially, 180 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: all of those things. And those are the things I 181 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: think that you're looking for for for an expert, not 182 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: someone who's just trying to take your money and move on, 183 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: but somebody that's willing to, you know, put the work 184 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: in and the time in quite honestly, to to to 185 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: help you help you find the right college fit. 186 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: You mentioned video, and actually, you know, I had a 187 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: couple of folks who I've passed a long video as 188 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: like as a friend, you know, like, hey, I have 189 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: relationships and coaches and but see, for me, I don't 190 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: consider myself an expert like, there's levels, right, So so 191 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: you mentioned is my kid a D oneccer player, whatever, 192 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: whatever the sport is. I sent a video or two 193 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: or three to two different coaches at different levels. I'm like, 194 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: what do you think of this? And it's a thirty 195 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: second clip. Coaches. Coaches can look at certain things, you know, 196 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: in baseball, they can look at a swing, they can 197 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: look at the way the body moves. They can look 198 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: at the way a kids throw these little things and determine, hey, 199 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: that's something that might be interesting. You know. Can you 200 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: have the kids send me their schedule or find out 201 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: when they play? And then there's certain levels like some 202 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: you know, a D three coach may say I love 203 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: that kid. Do you want to say, listen, it looks fine, 204 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: but it might not translate to our level. So I 205 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: feel like people get this misconception like coaches watch video 206 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: and there are things you can see. How objective as 207 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: a parent. I feel like it's not easy to be 208 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: objective as a parent. Do you need that somebody to 209 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: be honest? How often are people not honest and they 210 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: try to sell you up the river? Like everyone could 211 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: play at Division one? 212 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, parents cannot be objective, I really don't think so. 213 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: Even it was funny. I was laughing the other day. 214 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm out at a field and you know, my wife 215 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: and I are You'll probably you know, our soccer experiences 216 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: is pretty good, I'll say. And we're saying that they're 217 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: watching our seven year old. 218 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: That's putting it very humbly. By the way. 219 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm watching my seven year old play who I 220 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: think is a really good soccer player, and I'm talking 221 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: to the coach and I said, hey, listen, man, I'm 222 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: just going to stop talking because in this moment, I'm 223 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: absolutely the parent and I had to stop myself right 224 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: because I cannot be objective. I just can't. It's my kid. 225 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: I think the greatest things about my kids. So I 226 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: think that most parents are going to need some kind 227 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: of expertise. Now, I do think that his parents are 228 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: able to trust the process of putting their kids. If 229 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: they have the ability and the time to invest to 230 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: do the work to put their kids in front of coaches, 231 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: they can allow the coaches to make the determination of basically, 232 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: let the market determine your value, so to speak, if 233 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: they have the time and the energy to do that. 234 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: But I do think I'm an expert to look at 235 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: video and say, hey, listen, I think you're wasting your 236 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: time with these schools. I had a client one time said, 237 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: I said, send me your list of schools. I said, hey, 238 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: and you've got to take these four out because I 239 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: really don't think that you're going to be able to 240 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: play at that level. She questioned it. So I happen 241 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: to be friends with one of the coaches I sent her. 242 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: I sent her video to that coach. He responded back 243 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: kindly like, yes, I just don't think she's going to 244 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: be a great fit at this level for that under her. 245 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: And then obviously obviously there's some credibility, right, so sometimes 246 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: you have to do the extra work. But I don't 247 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: think that parents really can assess their children best because 248 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: another thing, too, is this, like you watch your kid 249 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: all day long, every day. You have an opinion. You 250 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: see every move and everything and every good and bad, 251 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: and you can make an excuse for every bad thing 252 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: that happens, and you can praise every good thing that happens. 253 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the coach on 254 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: the other side of this has to be able to 255 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: make a decision based on what they see, not based 256 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: on your ten years of knowledge about your child. Right, 257 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: So parents, sometimes you get frustrated, like I know how 258 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: good my kid is. I'm like, well, I'm sorry that 259 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: that has to somehow we have to be able to 260 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: communicate that to the other side of this coach who 261 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: has limited knowledge. And that's where an expert comes in 262 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: to say, hey, I've also watched the film, this is 263 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: what I think, or I've seen this player in person. 264 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: That's a lot what we do at That's for you 265 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: to say is we're at these events evaluating kids in 266 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: person for the most part, and that gives a lot 267 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: of credibility to say, you know, as a college coach, hey, hey, Nick, 268 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: thanks for calling me about this player. Have you seen 269 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: her play? And if you said yes, I'm like, oh, okay, great, 270 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. If not, then you know, I 271 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: can only go based on what I see on video 272 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: to see if I'm interested in seeing him or her 273 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: more in person. 274 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: I love how you said let the market determine. I mean, 275 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: I think that goes along with the old adage if 276 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: you're good enough, they'll find you at the end of 277 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: the day. If you're good enough to play the Division 278 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: one level, Division two, Division three, those coaches are going 279 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: to you know, they're they're going to weed themselves out. 280 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: And I think what gets lost in translation quite often 281 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: is the significance of the academic piece of it. I mean, 282 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: I know for me, and I'll never forget it. Miss 283 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: Jennings sacred our high school. Like nineteen ninety five or six, 284 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: I did not take school seriously, and quite frank, I 285 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: was very mature. I just did not care. I was like, 286 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: give me some c's, just let me get out of here. 287 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 2: I didn't like it, but she told me I was 288 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: a junior in high school. I wasn't the best athlete, 289 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: but I was able to play in college and she 290 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: knew I aspired to. And she was nick, you're literally 291 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: eliminating like a level of potential schools that you might 292 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: be interested in competing it, even if you won't be 293 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: able to get in there academically. And of course I probably, 294 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: like you know, laughed and told the joke. Afterwards. I'm like, 295 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: who cares? But I'm telling the story now because I 296 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: remember it. I don't know what it meant then, and 297 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: it's absolutely true, Like how significant, Like let's say a 298 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: kid wants to I think schools like the IVY league 299 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: speak for themselves. But there's tiers where like don't you 300 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: have to vet right away, Like, hey, you want to 301 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: go play at Columbia or whatever the school is, you 302 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: need to see the transcripts right away before you can 303 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: even approach about from the from the soccer standpoint, right. 304 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean your IVY is, like 305 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: you said, they speak for themselves, and that's going to 306 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: be the case, you know, no matter what. But then 307 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: you've got some schools that are high academic standard schools 308 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: that compete at the Division one level or any level. 309 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: But if you can't, if you can't get in on 310 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: your own merit, you know you're not gonna be a 311 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: play soccer. But the other side of it, too is 312 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: this stick. I know. I remember as a coach, if 313 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking at two kids and if I'm evaluating from 314 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: a soccer perspective and personality, they're the same, and I'm 315 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: trying to make a decision between the two, the one 316 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: that has the better grades, I'm going to go with 317 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: that one because that's just another another advantage that that 318 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: kid has. It brings to my program for a couple 319 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: of reasons. One, they're probably going to be able to 320 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: get some kind of merit aid, merit award or academic 321 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: money right, which which helps the family, right, which also 322 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: helps my team from springing out the scholarship a little 323 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: bit too. So you've got you've got that piece. I mean, 324 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: I I've had clients that you know at school is like, hey, listen, 325 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: like we do not have any scholarship available for their class. 326 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: So if they're going to come, they're going to have 327 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: to come on their own merit at least the first year. Well, 328 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: then they start running their academics and realize, oh my gosh, 329 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: this kid's going to get like sixty percent academic aid 330 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: at our university all of a sudden. For the family, 331 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: it makes sense. For the team, it makes sense, and 332 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: a spot was basically created on the team because they 333 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: didn't need the athletic scholarship. Is that, hopefully that makes 334 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: sense to everybody, Is that, Hey, if this family needs 335 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: soccer soccer money or athletic aid, we don't have it 336 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: for that class right away. But if they can come 337 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: in with, you know, if it helps the family, we 338 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: can we can look at what the merit aid is 339 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: going to be from that academic standpoint and it opens 340 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: more doors. So absolutely, I mean the academic piece. Anytime 341 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I do a talk with any high school kids and 342 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: you're trying to catch them as early as you can 343 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: their freshman year to say, hey, this is important if 344 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: you want to play college athletics. This is going to 345 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: be something that makes a difference even in your freshman year. 346 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: You do not want to look back and go, man, 347 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I wish I had just not fluffed off that one 348 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: semester or two semesters, because it's really impacting my GPA, 349 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: my class rank, things like that. It can really affect 350 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, what you can what you can get from 351 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, and your your marketability. So to speak 352 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: to those schools. 353 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: When we return, Paul and I dive deeper into college scholarships. 354 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: Before we go to break. 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Where we left off, Paul and I were 372 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: about to discuss the challenges with college scholarships and his 373 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: approach as a sports parent. 374 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: I feel like I talk about this fairly often, but 375 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: I haven't really dug into it too too much here 376 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: recently in the episodes. It's that not every sport is 377 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: a you know, full rot right like basketball and football. 378 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: I think they're called headcount sports where if you I guess, 379 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: if you play for the team, you get a full scholarship. Well, 380 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: I know, in baseball and a fully funded Power five 381 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: school like the University of North Carolina or whatever the 382 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: heck it is. You get eleven point seven scholarships and 383 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: they carry thirty five players. I don't know exactly the 384 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: numbers in soccer, but you kind of just touched on 385 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: not having enough money. Like some people say, oh, that's 386 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: you know, that's not true. Well, let people understand, like 387 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: there aren't scholarships for every kid available. How do you 388 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: go about deeping that up? And I think, isn't it. 389 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: I think in baseball the minimum you could give out 390 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: is twenty five percent. What's it look like in soccer? 391 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: Is it similar to how many are are available per team? 392 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? On the soccer side. It's also was considered an 393 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: equivalence to sport, and you're right. You know your basketballs 394 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and your footballs are headcount. You're either on a full 395 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: scholarship or you're a walk for your equivalency sports you 396 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: can give uh, Well, obviously baseball is little bit diferent. 397 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: In soccer, you can give one percent to one hundred percent, 398 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: any percentage that you want. There's no limit on there's 399 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: not a minimum percentage you can give in soccer. In 400 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: the women's game, they're about every you know, fully funded 401 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: team is going to have fourteen with roster sizes of 402 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight give or take a few summer 403 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: up to thirty five, and on the men's side's a 404 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: little bit less as nine to nine and a half 405 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: something like that, I believe on the men's side, and 406 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: the roster sizes are the same. So yeah, the dollars 407 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: are limited for these coaches. So getting creative is something 408 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: that coaches usually pride themselves in of how they divvy 409 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: up their scholarships. And if you come in as an academic, 410 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: a high academic kid, and you you get academic aid. 411 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: You know, I had kids at Baylor that, you know, 412 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: their total package was a full scholarship, but maybe you know, 413 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: forty or fifty percent of that was academic. So for 414 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: my team, that freed up another forty or fifty percent 415 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: that could put into another player. So it extends your 416 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: dollars a little bit. So yeah, it's it's not cut 417 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: and dry, it's not easy. And then you've got things 418 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: like you know, the transfer portal, right, like our coaches 419 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: putting aside money, you know, every year so they can 420 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: get a transfer a more experienced kid to bring into 421 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: their roster. And you've got on the other side of it, 422 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: you're losing kids to the transfer portal. So you know, 423 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: obviously money gets freed up. You've got injuries that happen, 424 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: You've got you know, all kinds of different things that 425 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: fluctuate that number from year to year that you have 426 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: to be aware of as a coach. 427 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: How old are your kids? 428 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: My kids are seven, ten, twelve, and fourteen, all. 429 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: Right, so a little spread out. But you fourteen? I 430 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: mean getting ready to go to high school or freshman 431 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: high school. 432 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: Currently, yeah, eighth grader all right. 433 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: So I would imagine you know, athletes in there, maybe 434 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: the soccer, but I have no idea. You could tell 435 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: me here in a second, But like, how are you 436 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: approaching this? Are you able to keep the hats differently? 437 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: Are you able to separate yourself? Because I know Marci 438 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: both of you are highly you know six, like you 439 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: put in mildly. I think she played for like the 440 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: USA women's national team, and and you're a stud in 441 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: your own right. So are you able to separate your 442 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: own competitiveness from your kids? How do you navigate it? 443 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: Are you just mom and dad coach all these things 444 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: as especially as they approach these years of you know, 445 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: where they may want to go play a quote unquote 446 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: the collegiate level a few years. 447 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. You know. We are a mom and 448 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: dad on the sideline, and we try really hard to 449 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: be a calm example of what I think parents should 450 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: be on the on the sideline. We're not always great 451 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: at it, but you know, I think I had a 452 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: parent tell me one time, like, oh wow, like, you know, 453 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: you're really calm. How do you how do you keep 454 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: so how do you keep so quiet? But I'm sure 455 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: you see things like this all the time, the craziness 456 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: of the sidelines. I said, listen, I've never never seen 457 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: anything so crazy on the sideline. It's it's crazy what 458 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: parents are yelling on the sidelines these days. But my 459 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: emotions are inside, you know. I'm trying to to coach 460 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: inside my own brain, inside my own heart, and if 461 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: my kid is open to some suggestions, I'm happy to 462 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: do that. But at the same time, like I'm like 463 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: any other parent, my kids don't don't always think that 464 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: mom and dad know anything about soccer, so we kind 465 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: of have to defer to the other coaches at times, 466 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: but we step in when we think it's appropriate our kids. 467 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: None of our kids currently play any type of travel sports. 468 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: The dynamic of our family is priority number one. If 469 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: our kid is showing that they absolutely love and desire 470 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: and feel like they've been given a gift from God 471 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: to do something really special and want to go after it. 472 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: We have certain criteria that we think have to be 473 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: filled to be on a travel squad, and the commitment 474 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: to that that our kids have to make is pretty 475 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: high level because the commitment it takes from a family 476 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: is very high level. So we're navigating that, and it'll 477 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: be different for every kid. Anyone has multiple children, know 478 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: that every personality is different and you have to approach 479 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: every kid somewhat differently, but your standards at home have 480 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: to be the same. So we are navigating parenting athletic kids. 481 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: I think in a unique way where I think if 482 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: you saw our dynamics, I don't think people from the 483 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: outside would go oh wow, like those are high level, 484 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: high achieving athletes and coaches. I just I don't. I'll 485 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: give this example, Nick, I've said this before at a 486 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: Q and A and got some funny looks. But I 487 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: had a parent ask they said, hey, you know, what 488 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: is the best way for us to guarantee that our 489 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: kids are going to get a college scholarship. They're going 490 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: to get money for college through through sports. I said, okay, 491 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: your goal is to pay for college. They said yes. 492 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: I said, okay, how was your kid? The kid was 493 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: pretty young. I said, go ahead and figure out the 494 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: amount of money that you're going to spend on your 495 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: kids travel sport for the next eight to ten years, 496 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: and go invest in. That is your best guarantee to 497 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: have money for college. It's not putting your kid through sport, 498 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: because I don't think it's fair to put that pressure 499 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: on a kid to say, hey, you're going to play 500 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: a high level support you're going to be committed to 501 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: it so that we can pay for your college. We 502 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: want you to play sport because it's fun. If you 503 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: end up being a high level player and it pays 504 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: for college, great, But I can't tell you any how 505 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: many conversations I've had from college athletes are like I 506 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: just realized, coach, and through my freshman year of college 507 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: and I realized I was playing because my parents love 508 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: game more than I did. 509 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: I heard that story all the time, man, and I 510 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: get you almost gave me goosebumps as you were telling it. 511 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: And is there any way that you know I think 512 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: it's fascinating that your kids don't play travel sport. You 513 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: would think in this in this era, it's like you 514 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: got to be there, so you're not racing. You're almost 515 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: like using your experience as we don't need to do that. 516 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: We don't, I mean, I don't. Listen again, I've got 517 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: younger kids, so my my seven and ten year old. 518 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: You know, they haven't decided if they want to play 519 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: basketball or soccer, or run track or play baseball like wrestle. 520 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna do all of it. You know, 521 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna see one it's gonna make my 522 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: better overall athlete, because I believe the different sports give 523 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: them different tools in their toolbox, so to speak. So 524 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna do all of it. But if they get 525 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: to a point like my fourteen year old, I think 526 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: he's pretty much decided he's gonna he's gonna play school sports. 527 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Hey that's fine. Hey he wants to play you know, 528 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: school football, almost to play school soccer and run school track. 529 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent before that if that's what he 530 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: wants to do. But if they want to take the 531 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: next level and do something higher level, they've got to 532 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: do want to put in the extra work, because I 533 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: think that if you're going to if you're going to 534 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: play travel sports, and you're going to put in the 535 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: finances to do that, I think the best thing for 536 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: your team to be the best is you've got to 537 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: do extra. You know, you don't play college athletics. Just 538 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: showing up for practice scheduled practice is not enough to 539 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: be a high level college athlete. It's just not. You've 540 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: got to do extra and you got to put in 541 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the work. You got to eat right, you got to 542 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: take care of your body, and those are things that 543 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: we're trying to navigate with our family to say, hey, listen, 544 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 1: we're going to support whatever sporting endever you want to, 545 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: but knowing that at every level there's a different type 546 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: of commitment to it. 547 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: Coach, I love it. It's refreshing to hear someone who's 548 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: been to your level, you and your wife like kind 549 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 2: of sitting back and not caught up in the and 550 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: I find the correlation man, people that have the experience 551 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: that have either competed their own self at the highest 552 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: levels or coach or whatever, they seem to have a 553 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: knack for taking their foot off the gas and going 554 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to let my kids kind of come into 555 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: their own. It's almost like it seems like the folks 556 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: who don't have experience are more susceptible to get caught 557 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: up in the in the foma that doesn't That's not 558 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: every example, but it's refreshing, and I think it's so 559 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: powerful to hear from someone of your caliber be able 560 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: to be an example and say, hey, I've been there, 561 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't need to do this. I don't feel because 562 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people fall for that and 563 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: they get nervous. And it's tough enough being a parent, 564 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: let alone when you're trying to keep up with everyone else. 565 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 2: So it's very refreshing. Coach, where could people connect with you? 566 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: What are your social handles content the sr USA like 567 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: let us know where they can connect and maybe reach out. 568 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that, Nick. I'm at Coach Jobson on 569 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: most social media basically Instagram is where I hover the most. 570 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take a step back from social media 571 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: a little bit, but at Coach Jobson is where I 572 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: am on social media. Martina and I. Our organization we've 573 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: run is called Warrior Way Soccer, So at Warriorway Soccer 574 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: as our social media and Warriorwaysoccer dot Com is our website, 575 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: and through that we're basically trying to teach kids how 576 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: to merge their faith in their sport because ultimately, we 577 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: feel like if we can can get the core things 578 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: right and foundation of who we are and we want 579 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: our children to be we think wants them to be, 580 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: then when soccer or sport disappears, we guests some core 581 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: values in place that help us be great people to 582 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: impact the world in a positive way. 583 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: I love it, coach. I can't thank you enough for 584 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: taking the time to come on. I really appreciate you. 585 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: I wish you nothing but continued success you and Marcy 586 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: and the kids, and I'm grateful for you. I know 587 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: you're busy. Thanks for coming on, Mannick. 588 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for what you're doing. Keep doing it, man, 589 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing me on. 590 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: That's Paul Johnson, former head coach of women's soccer at 591 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: Baylor University, co founder of Warrior Way Soccer, senior consolan 592 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: at SRUSA, and sports parent. 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