WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Insular Cases

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. Coming up on the show, we have an

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<v Speaker 1>episode about citizenship in the US and who is allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to become a citizen that has some connections to our

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<v Speaker 1>August fourteenth, twenty twenty three episode on the Insular Cases,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a set of Supreme Court cases related to

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<v Speaker 1>island territories claimed by the US, and that is today's

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday classic. In this episode, we mentioned the case of

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<v Speaker 1>Isabelle Gonzalez, and I mentioned wishing I had focused the

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<v Speaker 1>whole episode on her case before the Supreme Court. We

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<v Speaker 1>did do that episode not long after this when it

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<v Speaker 1>came out on September twentieth, twenty twenty three. And this

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<v Speaker 1>episode also briefly mentions the Philippines becoming independent from the

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<v Speaker 1>US after World War Two, and we talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>more in our episode on Marie Arosa on May eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. But enjoy Welcome to Stuff You Missed

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<v Speaker 1>in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to talk about some US Supreme Court cases,

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<v Speaker 1>although not comical ones like Nicks versus Headen, which we

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<v Speaker 1>covered recently and was about tomatoes. We are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking more about tariffs, though this time. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>collection of cases that followed the Spanish American War, and

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<v Speaker 1>these cases together limited the rights of people living in

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<v Speaker 1>certain US territories. These cases still stand today. They still

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<v Speaker 1>affect the lives and civil rights of people in places

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<v Speaker 1>like American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico,

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<v Speaker 1>and the US Virgin Islands. So people who were born

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these territories, with the exception of American Samoa,

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<v Speaker 1>are considered US citizens by birth, but while living on

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<v Speaker 1>any of these Annamese island ritories, they don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>same constitutional rights or representation in Congress as citizens who

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<v Speaker 1>live in one of the fifty States. Some of those

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<v Speaker 1>court cases involved the Philippines also, that was a US

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<v Speaker 1>territory at the time but has since become independent. So

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<v Speaker 1>together these cases are known as the Insular cases with

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<v Speaker 1>insular meaning related to islands, and they were in the

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<v Speaker 1>news last year because the US Supreme Court declined to

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<v Speaker 1>her case that was challenging them. Before we start with this,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to note there's a whole range of opinion

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these places about their relationships to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, Like, for example, there are American Samoans who

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<v Speaker 1>think that they should be considered US citizens from birth,

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<v Speaker 1>but then others who think that would erase their existing

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<v Speaker 1>culture and traditions. Or as another example, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>movement for Puerto Rican statehood that's been going on for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are also people who opposed that move met,

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the opponents advocating instead for an independent

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. So this episode is really focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>court cases and the context around them. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>about the lived experiences and opinions of the people living

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these territories. I don't think the two

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<v Speaker 1>of us are the best people to try to like

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<v Speaker 1>embody that no, and even if we were, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that is a podcast of its own and not

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<v Speaker 1>an episode of art, not an episode of ours. For sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Before we talk about these cases, we need to set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage on how the US had approached its territories

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<v Speaker 1>before the Spanish American War. The original borders of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States were set under the seventeen eighty three Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of Paris, which formally ended the Revolutionary War between Britain

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<v Speaker 1>and its North American colonies. This treaty did not acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>the indigenous nations and peoples who had been in North

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<v Speaker 1>America for thousands of years prior to europeans arrival, or

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<v Speaker 1>contain any reference to born of their own lands and territory.

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<v Speaker 1>For a time, the Articles of Confederation formed the basis

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<v Speaker 1>for the US government. These were ultimately replaced by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Constitution, which went into effect on March fourth, seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. The Constitution didn't include anything specifically about adding

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<v Speaker 1>new territory to the United States, but it did include

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<v Speaker 1>language about adding states an Article four, Section three quote,

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<v Speaker 1>New states may be admitted by the Congress into this Union.

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<v Speaker 1>But no new state shall be formed or erected within

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<v Speaker 1>the jurisdiction of any other state, nor any state be

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<v Speaker 1>formed by the junction of two or more states or

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<v Speaker 1>parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of

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<v Speaker 1>the states concerned, as well as of the Congress. Section

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<v Speaker 1>three also included language about territory that was not considered

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<v Speaker 1>part of a state. Quote, the Congress shall have power

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<v Speaker 1>to dispose of and make all needs needful rules and

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<v Speaker 1>regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and nothing in this Constitution shall be so

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<v Speaker 1>construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>or any particular state. Soon, new states were being added

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<v Speaker 1>to the Union. The first state that wasn't one of

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<v Speaker 1>the thirteen original colonies was Vermont in seventeen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky became a state in seventeen ninety two from land

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<v Speaker 1>that had previously been considered part of Virginia. Tennessee became

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<v Speaker 1>a state four years later, formed from the Southwest Territory

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<v Speaker 1>that was land that North Carolina had ceded to the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government. Ohio joined the Union in eighteen oh three

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<v Speaker 1>and was formed from part of the Northwest Territory. With

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<v Speaker 1>the exception of Vermont, which had considered itself an independent

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<v Speaker 1>republic before becoming a state, these newly added states had

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<v Speaker 1>all been formed from organized incorporated territory that it was

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<v Speaker 1>already considered to be within the US borders under the

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty of Paris. So incorporated in this case means that

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<v Speaker 1>the territory is considered to be fully part of the

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<v Speaker 1>US under the Constitution, and the only parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution that don't apply to incorporated territory are articles that

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<v Speaker 1>specifically apply to the states. Organized means that Congress had

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<v Speaker 1>passed an organic act or a body of laws establishing

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<v Speaker 1>a government, and usually a bill of rights for the territory. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the Northwest Territory was unorganized before Congress passed

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest Ordinances. The Northwest Ordinances of seventeen eighty seven

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<v Speaker 1>also outlined a process for the territory to be admitted

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<v Speaker 1>into the Union as no less than three and no

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<v Speaker 1>more than five states. When the United States started acquiring

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<v Speaker 1>new territory, that new territory was also incorporated. The first

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<v Speaker 1>big addition of land to the United States was the

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana Purchase in eighteen oh three. The Treaty of Session

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<v Speaker 1>that was part of the Louisiana Purchase agreement said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the inhabitants of the sated Territory shall be incorporated in

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<v Speaker 1>the Union of the United States, and admitted as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as possible according to the principles of the Federal Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>to the enjoyment of all these rights, advantages, and immunities

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<v Speaker 1>of citizens of the United States. Florida was also incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>when it became part of the United States under the

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Zonice Treaty, which took effect in eighteen twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>States formed from these territories were added to the Union,

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<v Speaker 1>following the same basic template that had been outlined in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest Ordinance of seventeen eighty seven. As the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century continued, the United States approach to expansion was described

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<v Speaker 1>as manifest destiny. That's a term first used in writing

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen forty five as part of an argument that

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<v Speaker 1>the United States should annex the Republic of Texas. This

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<v Speaker 1>came to mean the United States was destined to expand

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<v Speaker 1>across the whole of North America, and this idea framed

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<v Speaker 1>the United States expansion as necessary and inevitable, and as

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's duty. This also was connected to a series

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<v Speaker 1>of removals, wars, and genocidal policies against the indigenous nations

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<v Speaker 1>of North America, in which tens of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>were forced to leave their homelands and move to land

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<v Speaker 1>known as Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River, primarily

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<v Speaker 1>in what is now Oklahoma. Support for the philosophy of

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<v Speaker 1>manifest destiny was not as universal as it sometimes described.

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<v Speaker 1>There were people within and outside of the US government

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<v Speaker 1>who argued against such aggressive expansion, and there were people

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<v Speaker 1>of a range of backgrounds, races, ethnicities, and religions who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want the place they were already living to be

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<v Speaker 1>annexed or purchased by the United States for all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons. Thousands of indigenous people also died as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of the force removals that were involved in making

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<v Speaker 1>way for this expansion. But the underlying assumption was that

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<v Speaker 1>any territory the US was acquiring would become one or

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<v Speaker 1>more states. Assumption is not even a strong enough word.

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<v Speaker 1>It was obvious and unquestioned that newly acquired territory would

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<v Speaker 1>be admitted into the Union as states. There were debates

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<v Speaker 1>about whether slavery would be allowed in newly organized territory

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<v Speaker 1>and newly admitted states, and a number of compromises and

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<v Speaker 1>appeasements maintained a balance between slave states and free states

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress, but there was really no debate about whether

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<v Speaker 1>this new territory was on a path to statehood. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no sense at all that a territory could be unincorporated.

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<v Speaker 1>The only real exception to this pattern involved the islands

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<v Speaker 1>that were claimed under the Guano Islands Act of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six. This act allowed US citizens to claim uninhabited

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<v Speaker 1>islands as sources of guano or bird poop, so these

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<v Speaker 1>islands didn't need to be incorporated they did not have

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<v Speaker 1>a permanent human population. Alaska's status was also kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vague for a while after the US purchased it from

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<v Speaker 1>Russia in eighteen sixty seven. The US made this purchase

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<v Speaker 1>just two years after the end of the Civil War,

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<v Speaker 1>it was still in the middle of trying to rebuild itself.

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<v Speaker 1>In Secretary of State William H. Seward's decision to buy

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska was widely criticized and lampooned. Alaska was organized as

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<v Speaker 1>the District of Alaska in eighteen eighty four, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the very end of the nineteenth century, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>acquired territory that it didn't necessarily want to incorporate. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to that after we have a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States approach to its territories really shifted during

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<v Speaker 1>and after the Spanish American War. This war evolved from

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba's struggle for independence from Spain, and it was also

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by sensationalized news reporting in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>the explosion of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor on

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<v Speaker 1>February fifteenth, eighteen ninety eight. The Treaty of Paris that

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<v Speaker 1>formally ended the Spanish American War was signed on December tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety eight. It recognized Cuba as an independent nation

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<v Speaker 1>while giving the United States control of Puerto Rico and Guam.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the treaty, the United States was also allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase the Philippines from Spain, which it did, although the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippines had declared its own independence, and the US takeover

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<v Speaker 1>of the Philippines sparked the two year Philippine American War.

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<v Speaker 1>There are many treaties of Paris. This is obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>different one than the one that formerly ended the Revolutionary War.

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<v Speaker 1>Paris is where all the cool treaties, where we always

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<v Speaker 1>go to negotiate a peace. I mean, yeah, any excuse

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Paris. While the Spanish American War was ongoing,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States had also annexed Hawaii. For some very

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<v Speaker 1>brief context on that, in eighteen seventy five, the US

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<v Speaker 1>and the Kingdom of Hawaii had signed a reciprocity treaty

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed Hawaii to freely export goods like sugar, to

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<v Speaker 1>the US. In exchange, the US took control of an

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<v Speaker 1>area known as Puuloa, now home to the Pearl Harbor

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<v Speaker 1>Naval Base. This treaty led to a huge explosion in

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<v Speaker 1>the sugar industry in Hawaii, driven by US business interests,

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<v Speaker 1>which made the Hawaiian economy increasingly dependent on these exports. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety three, Sandford Dole, a lawyer who was

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<v Speaker 1>born in Hawaii to American parents, led a committee of

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<v Speaker 1>sugar planters and other American businessmen to overthrow the Hawaiian

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<v Speaker 1>monarchy with the backing of the US military. Dole petitioned

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<v Speaker 1>the US to annex Hawaii in eighteen ninety four, and

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<v Speaker 1>one reason the US did so four years later was

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that it did not lose control of Pearl

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<v Speaker 1>Harbor while fighting a war with Spain. That is like

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<v Speaker 1>the most brief abridged synopsis, and we're about to have

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<v Speaker 1>another one, because then in eighteen ninety nine, the US

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<v Speaker 1>took control of part of the Samoan Archipelago, again incredibly briefly.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteenth century, Germany, Britain, and the US all

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<v Speaker 1>established business interests in Samoa and became heavily involved in

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<v Speaker 1>Samoan politics. Each of these nations backed different political factions,

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<v Speaker 1>and when a civil war began in eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>one side was backed by the US and the other

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<v Speaker 1>was backed by Germany. The first phase of fighting ended

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty nine, mostly because most of the Western

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<v Speaker 1>Powers ships were either damaged or destroyed in a cyclone.

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<v Speaker 1>Violence resumed in eighteen ninety three, continuing for about a year,

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<v Speaker 1>again with Germany and the US backing opposing factions. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>when maritoa lal Peppe, leader of Samoa died in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, the Chief Justice who issued the decision on

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<v Speaker 1>who his successor would be was an American citizen, so

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Samoans and Germans in Samoa opposed this decision.

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<v Speaker 1>This led to renewed hostilities. Ultimately, Britain, the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and Germany negotiated the Tripartite Convention without the involvement of Samoans,

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<v Speaker 1>and this partitioned the archipelago between the United States and Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a note, German Samoa was placed under control

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<v Speaker 1>of New Zealand after World War One. It became independent

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty two. The US portion still US territory,

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<v Speaker 1>so By eighteen ninety nine, the US had taken control

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<v Speaker 1>of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Philippines, and part of Samoa,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had a number of reasons to want access

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<v Speaker 1>to territory in the Caribbean and the Pacific. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>these islands had strategic military importance and could also serve

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<v Speaker 1>as refueling points for trading ships. Investors saw range of

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural and commercial opportunities. This was also happening as the

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<v Speaker 1>Panama Canal was being built, a project that the US

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<v Speaker 1>took over just a few years after taking control of

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<v Speaker 1>these new territories, so people were seeing new potential for

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<v Speaker 1>international shipping. There was also an argument for the US

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<v Speaker 1>to take over these islands that was explicitly racist, that

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<v Speaker 1>they were not capable of governing themselves, so the United

0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.480
<v Speaker 1>States needed to take them over. An argument not to

0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.000
<v Speaker 1>keep control of all of these islands was also racist.

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<v Speaker 1>There were basically people who didn't want islands full of

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<v Speaker 1>people who were predominantly indigenous or Hispanic to suddenly become

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<v Speaker 1>US citizens. In some cases, religious prejudice was also a factor,

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<v Speaker 1>since some of these areas were predominantly Catholic. This can

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<v Speaker 1>seem like an odd argument considering that the US had

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<v Speaker 1>already incorporated a lot of territory in North America that

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<v Speaker 1>had previously been colonized by Spain and had some demographic

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<v Speaker 1>similarities to these islands, like under the Treaty of Guadalupe

0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Hidalgo that ended the Mexican American War in eighteen forty eight,

0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Mexico ceded more than half its territory to the US.

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<v Speaker 1>People living there had been given a year to decide

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<v Speaker 1>if they wanted to become US citizens, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>time the Spanish American War ended, multiple states had been

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<v Speaker 1>formed from that territory. But as an example, when California

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<v Speaker 1>became a state in eighteen fifty, formed from territory that

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<v Speaker 1>had been part of Mexico, it had a population of

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<v Speaker 1>about ninety two thousand people. Meanwhile, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Spanish American War, the population of Puerto Rico was

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<v Speaker 1>more than ten times that, and there were roughly seven

0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>million people living in the Philippines. The entire United States

0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.480
<v Speaker 1>population at this point was about seventy six million people,

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<v Speaker 1>So there were a lot of people who just completely

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out about the idea that if the Philippines became

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<v Speaker 1>a state, Filipinos would make up almost ten percent of

0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the population of the United States. Also, with the exception

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<v Speaker 1>of Puerto Rico, these newly acquired islands were geographically very

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<v Speaker 1>far from continental North America, and that added to the

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.760
<v Speaker 1>perception that they were more foreign than something like the

0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:39.159
<v Speaker 1>southwestern part of the continent. Was Also, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not suggesting that racism and prejudice were directed only

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<v Speaker 1>at the people in these newly acquired island territories, or

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone living in the continental US had the same

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional rights at this point. As examples after the US

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Civil War, the fourteenth Amendment had granted citizenship to anyone

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<v Speaker 1>born or naturalized in the United States and subject to

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<v Speaker 1>US jurisdiction, and the fifteenth Amendment had given black men

0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the right to vote, but in practice, many black men

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>could not freely exercise their right to vote, and women

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>did not have a constitutional right to vote at all.

0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans were not considered US citizens, and immigrants from

0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:23.240
<v Speaker 1>many Asian countries were banned from becoming citizens. So the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the US might apply constitutional rights and protections

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<v Speaker 1>only to some people also was not at all new.

0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.480
<v Speaker 1>What was new was the idea that the US could

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<v Speaker 1>acquire territory without that territory ultimately becoming a state. That

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<v Speaker 1>is where we get to these Supreme Court cases. On

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty seventh, nineteen oh one, the US Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>issued its decision in six cases that had all been

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<v Speaker 1>argued over the course of nineteen hundred and nineteen oh one.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these were related to Puerto Rico. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also one case relating to Hawaii and one related to

0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the Philippines. Some constitutional law scholars frame these six decisions

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<v Speaker 1>as the core insular cases. There are others who include

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.200
<v Speaker 1>two other cases that were decided in December of that

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<v Speaker 1>same year. There are others who include a lot more

0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.439
<v Speaker 1>cases that were decided over the next two decades, for

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<v Speaker 1>up to a total of thirty five cases. So like

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<v Speaker 1>the argument over which cases are the insular cases can

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<v Speaker 1>really vary depending on whose opinions you're reading. The idea

0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that at least some of these cases would be grouped

0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.320
<v Speaker 1>together as the insular cases was there right from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the Court's opinions collectively refer to the Insular

0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.879
<v Speaker 1>tariff cases. In February of nineteen oh one, after the

0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 1>cases had been argued, but before they were decided, the

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.560
<v Speaker 1>House of Representatives passed a resolution calling for the briefs

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<v Speaker 1>and arguments from five of the cases to be printed

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<v Speaker 1>together as a book called The Insular Cases. That book

0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 1>is one thousand and seventy five pages long, little light reading. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly we're not going to be talking about all of

0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:07.400
<v Speaker 1>these cases in detail to quickly tick through these nineteen

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>oh one cases. That's not just the first six, it's

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the other two as well. One outlier was Who's versus

0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.439
<v Speaker 1>New York and Puerto Rico Steamship Company. This looked at

0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the question of whether Puerto Rican ports were domestic or

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.400
<v Speaker 1>foreign ports in the context of US shipping law and

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>New York laws around the pilotage of nautical vessels. Most

0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of the other cases addressed the core question of whether

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico, Hawaii, or the Philippines should be considered a

0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:41.240
<v Speaker 1>foreign country in terms of tariff law. These cases were

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 1>de Lima versus Bidwell, Gutsa versus United States, Armstrong versus

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 1>United States, two different cases called Duly versus United States,

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:56.560
<v Speaker 1>and fourteen Diamond Rings versus United States. These cases all

0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.600
<v Speaker 1>involved similar scenarios. A person or business had been required

0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to pay a duty, or had something seized by customs,

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.480
<v Speaker 1>but they argued that no duties or fees should have

0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 1>been required or customs should not have seized the goods

0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.880
<v Speaker 1>since the goods had not come from a foreign country.

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<v Speaker 1>The Court issued decisions in these cases establishing that none

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.760
<v Speaker 1>of these places were foreign countries in the context of

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 1>tariff law, unless the duty had been imposed before the

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>United States annexed them. The last of these nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 1>one cases, not in terms of time, decided, just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of us talking about them, was Downs versus Bidwell,

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<v Speaker 1>and that looked at whether parts of the Forker Act

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<v Speaker 1>were constitutional. The Forker Act, also called the Puerto Rico

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Organic Act, had been passed in April of nineteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Among its many provisions, the Forker Act established a fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>percent tariff on goods that were imported into Puerto Rico

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:58.880
<v Speaker 1>from the United States and vice versa. But Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section eight, Clause one of the US Constitution, known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Uniformity Clause, requires that quote all duties, imports, and

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 1>excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. So if

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>throughout the United States included Puerto Rico, it was unconstitutional

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.159
<v Speaker 1>for it to have this separate tariff. The Supreme Court's

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>plurality decision was that no, the Foriker Act was not

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 1>unconstitutional because while Puerto Rico belonged to the United States,

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it was not part of the United States. Of all

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>these cases, Delima versus Bidwell and Downs versus Bidwell have

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.119
<v Speaker 1>gotten the most attention in terms of study and analysis,

0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 1>and Downs versus Bidwell in particular has become notorious for

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>its racist language. We're going to get into more on

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<v Speaker 1>that after a sponsor break. As we noted before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh one, the US Supreme Court issued a

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 1>decision in Downs versus Bidwell that described Puerto Rico as

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>belonging to the United States but not part of it.

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:21.959
<v Speaker 1>Downs versus Bidwell also established a distinction between incorporated and

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 1>unincorporated territory. As we talked about in the first part

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 1>of this shit like, this was a new idea. This

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>was not how the United States had been doing it before.

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<v Speaker 1>In the words of a concurring opinion by Justice Horace Gray, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>so long as Congress has not incorporated the territory into

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the United States, neither military occupation nor session by treaty

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>makes the conquered territory domestic territory in the sense of

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the revenue laws, but those laws concerning foreign countries remain

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 1>applicable to the conquered territory until changed by Congress. If

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<v Speaker 1>Congress is not to construct a complete government for the

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>conquered territory, it may establish a temporary government which is

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<v Speaker 1>not subject to all the restrictions of the Constitution. That

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like a fat loophole at all. In other words,

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico and by extension, the other island territories were

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>not foreign countries in terms of tariff law, but also

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>were not part of the United States in any way

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that would bring them under the Constitution's uniformity clause. This

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 1>decision sort of read into various parts of the Constitution

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and previous court decisions, arguing that you really couldn't infer

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 1>from the Constitution that territories were part of the United States,

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:50.200
<v Speaker 1>like the thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution abolished slavery quote

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>within the United States or in any place subject to

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>their jurisdiction. So, according to this argument, that had to

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 1>mean there were places that were subject to US jurisdiction

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>but were not part of the United States or in

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the Fourteenth Amendment. Quote, all persons born or naturalized in

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the Court's view that suggested that in the

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>United States and subject to US jurisdiction could be two

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>totally different things. To quote from the plurality opinion authored

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.679
<v Speaker 1>by Justice Henry Billings Brown quote, we are also of

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion that the power to acquire territory by treaty

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.719
<v Speaker 1>implies not only the power to govern such territory, but

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<v Speaker 1>to prescribe upon what terms the United States will receive

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.159
<v Speaker 1>its inhabitants and what their status shall be in what

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Chief Justice Marshall termed the American Empire. There seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be no middle ground between this position and the doctrine

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that if their inhabitants do not become immediately upon annexation

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>citizens of the unit United States, their children thereafter born,

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 1>whether savages or civilized, are such and entitled to all

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the rights, privileges, and immunities of citizens. If such be

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 1>their status, the consequences will be extremely serious. Indeed, it

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>is doubtful if Congress would ever assent to the annexation

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>of territory upon the condition that its inhabitants, however foreign

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 1>they may be to our habits, traditions, and modes of life,

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<v Speaker 1>shall become at once citizens of the United States. Legal racism. Yeah,

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's straightforwardly racist. The Plurality opinion concluded, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>if those possessions are inhabited by alien races differing from

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 1>us in religion, customs, laws, methods of taxation, and modes

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of thought, the administration of government and justice according to

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 1>Anglo Saxon principles, may for a time be impossible, and

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the question at once arises whether large concessions ought not

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to be made for a time that ultimately our own

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>theories may be carried out, and the blessings of a

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 1>free government under the Constitution extended to them. We decline

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>to hold that there is anything in the Constitution to

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>forbid such action. It went on to say, quote, we

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<v Speaker 1>are therefore of opinion that the island of Puerto Rico

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>is a territory, a pertinent and belonging to the United States,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>but not a part of the United States. Within the

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>revenue clauses of the Constitution, that the foriker Act is

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>constitutional so far as it imposes duties upon imports from

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 1>such island, and that the plaintiff cannot recover back the

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>duties exacted in this case. So this was one of

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:55.239
<v Speaker 1>many five to four decisions among the insular cases, just

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>in case folks are not from the US, they don't

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>necessarily know how the Supreme Court is set up. There

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 1>are nine justices, and so in a lot of these

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>cases the decision was five to four. A dissent by

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Chief Justice Fuller included the statement quote great stress is

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>thrown upon the word incorporation, as if possessed of some

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>occult meaning. Justice John M. Harlan also penned a dissent

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of his own, which set, in part quote these are

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>words of weighty import. They involve consequences of the most

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>momentous character. I take leave to say that if the

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>majority of this Court, a radical and mischievous change in

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>our system of government will be the result. We will,

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>of legislative absolutism. Together these nineteen oh one cases establish

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Puerto Rico, Hawaii, the Phillippines, Samoa, and

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Guam were part of the United States in some ways

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>but not others, and could stay that way indefinitely. Cases

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>that followed later in the early twentieth century also outlined

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>limits on the constitutional rights of people living in these territories.

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.479
<v Speaker 1>As we said earlier, some scholars consider these later cases

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to be part of the insular cases, and some do not.

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>As a few examples, Door versus United States decided in

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh four looked at the question of whether residents

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Philippines had the right to a trial by jury.

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>The right to a jury trial is outlined in the

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>sixth Amendment to the Constitution, but the court ruled that

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>it would only apply in the Philippines if Congress enacted

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>legislation to establish that right. Hawaii versus. Mankiche was similar,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>finding that the right to a jury trial had not

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>existed in Hawaii in the window between when the US

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>annexed it and when Congress passed an act to provide

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a government for the ti territory of Hawaii in nineteen hundred.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>This act bestowed US citizenship on the people who had

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 1>been citizens of the Republic of Hawaii as of August twelfth,

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety eight. So once people in Hawaii were considered

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>to be US citizens, they were entitled to a trial

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>by jury, But when Hawaii was a US territory whose

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>residents were not citizens, they were not entitled to a

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>jury trial. Gonzales versus Williams was decided in nineteen oh four.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Although Puerto Ricans were not considered US citizens at that time,

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to be able to travel freely to

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Isabella Gonzalez had tried to join her

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>fiance in New York, but was turned away at port.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>She was pregnant, and authorities described her as an alien

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>who was likely to become a public charge. The court

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>found that she was not an alien and should not

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>have been denied entry into New York, but also did

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>not find that she was a citizen. This case is

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes cited as a factor in Puerto Rican's ultimately being

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>given citizenship as part of the Jones Schafroth Act in

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventeen. When I got to this part, I was like,

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish I had done a whole episode

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>on this one case. Which might happen at some point

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.719
<v Speaker 1>in the future. We still could. One of the last

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>cases that is sometimes grouped together with the insular cases

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>was Balzac versus Puerto Rico, decided in nineteen twenty two.

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>This was a case in which Jesus M. Baalzac, editor

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of a Puerto Rican daily newspaper, had been charged with libel.

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>This case was connected to the rights of free speech,

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press, and trial by jury, which are

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>all considered basic constitutional rights in the United States. The

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>court found that Puerto Rico had not been incorporated into

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the United States, and that the sixth Amendment right to

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a jury trial did not apply, and that Ballzak's published

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:59.479
<v Speaker 1>work was not protected by the rights to free speech

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>or a free There are a lot of contradictions among

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>these cases and sometimes within the cases themselves. As we

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, many were decided five to four, and often

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>those five justices agreed on the outcome but not on

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the reasoning behind it. But together they established what's known

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>as the incorporation doctrine. They outlined differences between incorporated and

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 1>unincorporated territories and set the stage for the United States

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to be able to claim unincorporated territories in perpetuity without

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>allowing them to enter the Union as states or de

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>annexing them. While the US Constitution established the nation as

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a representative democracy, the insular cases set aside several territories

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>territories that were inhabited primarily by Hispanic and Indigenous people

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>as not entitled to full participation or representation in that democracy.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Whow as we said earlier, these cases still stand, there

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 1>have of course been some shifts and details over the

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>last century. The Philippines became independent from the United States

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty six after being occupied by Japan during

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>World War Two. Japan had actually declared the Philippines independent

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty three, sort of trying to get the

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>support of Filipinos during this occupation. As we said earlier,

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the people of Puerto Rico were granted statutory citizenship in

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventeen, and in nineteen fifty Public Law six hundred

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>authorized the people of Puerto Rico to draft their own constitution,

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>so Puerto Rico today is considered to be self governing.

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii became a state in nineteen fifty nine, a process

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that took more than fifty years, due in part to

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>racist attitudes against the archipelago's native Hawaiian and Asian residents.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>While voters in Hawaii overwhelmingly ratified at statehood, many Native

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Hawaiians have pushed instead for Hawaiian independence and sovereignty. Residents

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>of Guam gained US citizenship under the Guam Organic Act

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty after having been essentially abandoned by the

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>United States and left to a horrific occupation by Japan

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 1>during World War Two. Today, American Samoans are considered US nationals,

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>but not US citizens. You could say this of all

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.399
<v Speaker 1>of these places, but the United States has definitely been

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>most focused on them when it has been like the

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>most within US interests to do so so, Like there's

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 1>the most focused on the well being of Guam when

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a like strategic military reason to do so for

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>some reason, and like this abandonment of Guam during World

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>War two is kind of the US to basically just

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>like cut his losses. We mentioned the Northern Mariana Islands

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and the US Virgin Islands the top of the show.

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 1>They have not come up again because they were not

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>US territories when the first insular cases were decided. The

0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>US purchased the US Virgin Islands from Denmark and nineteen seventeen.

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>The Northern Mariana Islands became a US territory in nineteen

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>seventy five, even though neither was a US territory when

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 1>the original Insular cases were being argued and decided, they're

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>both considered unincorporated territories following this same model that the

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Insular case is established. The US Virgin Islands, American Samoa,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and Guam are all on the United Nations list of

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>non self governing territories. Broadly speaking, people living in these

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>territories are considered to be entitled to fundamental constitutional rights,

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily to others, and opinions can also differ

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>on which rights should be considered fundamental. The unincorporated territories

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 1>are not represented by the electoral College and presidential elections.

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>They are represented by one delegate each in the House

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:55.879
<v Speaker 1>of Representatives, who can serve on committees and can introduce legislation,

0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>but cannot vote. There are actually six total non voting

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>members of the House. The sixth one represents Washington d C. So,

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>as is the case with the unincorporated territories, residents of

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Washington D. C don't have the same representation in Congress

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>as people who live in what the states do. A

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>key difference here, though, is that the Constitution itself outlines

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the creation of a district to serve as the seat

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of the government. Washington d c. Did not come about

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>because the Supreme Court kind of made up but justification

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to do so. At this point, there's near unanimous agreement

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>among historians and constitutional law scholars that the insular cases

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>are rooted in racism and colonialism, but there's less agreement

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>about what the outcome would be if these cases were overturned,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and whether that outcome would ultimately be positive for people

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:51.840
<v Speaker 1>who would be affected. And in more recent years, there

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.439
<v Speaker 1>have been some attempts to use these decisions to try

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to protect the rights of people who are living in

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>these territories. For example, in the US, it would be

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>consider that are unconstitutional to pass laws tying property ownership

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to race. Theoretically, since the unincorporated territories don't have full

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>constitutional protection, it would be possible to pass laws giving

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>these islands indigenous people's preference in terms of land ownership

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>based on their race, which could help protect their connections

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to their ancestral homelands and their traditional ways of life.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Having worked on this show for a decade, Tracy notes

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that she's not really optimistic about this working out. I

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>would agree with that, And she also read a lot

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>of arguments that basically kind of summed this up to,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>no matter what good end you try to put them to,

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.439
<v Speaker 1>these decisions are still racist and should still be overturned. Yeah,

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:46.439
<v Speaker 1>And to be very clear, the only reason I said

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>there is near unanimous agreement instead of just unanimous agreement

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>is because I know if we say unanimous, we're gonna

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>get an article somebody sends to us that's like, ah,

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>here's the one outlier who claims this was not about racism.

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>There have also been a number of Supreme Court cases

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in more recent years that have continued to uphold elements

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 1>of the insular cases and to outline ways in which

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 1>people living in these territories can be treated differently from

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>people in the Fifty States or Washington, d C. In

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>accept the context of congressional representation, we're talking about Washington DC. So,

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>for example, the US versus Valeo Madero was decided in

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Valeo Madero was a Puerto Rican living

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in New York who had been receiving supplemental security income

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 1>payments that's what we colloquially called social security or disability payments.

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>He moved to Puerto Rico, making him no longer eligible

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to receive these payments, and the government did not realize

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>he had moved and kept sending the payments. When they

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>realized what had happened, the government sued to try to

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>recoup that money. The argument in this case was that

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 1>excluding Puerto Ricans from the program violated the Constitution's Doe

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>process clause in the Fifth Amendment. In an eight to

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>one decision, the Supreme Court disagreed, ruling that the Constitution

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>did not require supplemental security income payments for people in

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. Justice Neil Gorsich wrote a scathing concurrence, agreeing

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>with the majority opinion but also arguing stridently against the

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>insular cases. He wrote, quote, flaws in the insular cases

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>are as fundamental as they are shameful. Nothing in the

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Constitution speaks of incorporated and unincorporated territories. Nothing in it

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>extends to the latter only certain supposedly fundamental constitutional guarantees.

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Nothing in it authorizes judges to engage in the sordid

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>business of segregating territories and the people who live in

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 1>them on the basis of race, ethnicity, or religion. The

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>insular cases can claim support in academic work of the period,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>ugly racial stereotypes and the theories of social Darwinists, but

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>they have no home in our Constitution or its original understanding.

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>The case that the Supreme Court declined to hear last

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>year was Fitisimanu versus United States that was brought by

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>three American Samoans living in Utah. They argued that the

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Fourteenth Amendment's birthright citizenship clause should apply to the people

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of American Samoa. While American Samoans who moved to the

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 1>United States can apply for citizenship, they're not guaranteed citizenship.

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>They are also denied various rights like voting and running

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>for office until they become citizens if those applications are successful.

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>As we said at the top of the show, people

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in American Samoa have varying opinions on these issues. In

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>this case, the government of American Samoa and Congresswoman al

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Mua Amada, who represents American Samoa, submitted a brief opposing

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>this idea. It read, in part quote, the citizenship clause

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>does not require imposing birthright citizenship on the people of

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>American Samoa over the objection of their elected representatives and government,

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and in violation of their basic right to self determination.

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>This brief stress the importance of FAA Samoa or the

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Samoan culture and way of life, arguing that FAA Samoa

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>is fundamentally important to the Samoan people and that imposing

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>birthright citizenship on American Samoa would undermine it. The Samoan

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Federation of America, which supports and advocates for Samoan Americans

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>living in the United States, was one of the organizations

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that submitted a brief supporting the petitioners. Yeah, so, as

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>we said earlier, people are not a monolith. There are

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 1>varying opinions on this. There were more briefs submitted in

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:48.919
<v Speaker 1>support of applying birthright citizenship to American Samoa, but also

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people currently living in American Samoa who

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>were like, that's not what we want though. Uh, a

0:41:55.680 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of these things are complicated and have not gotten

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.919
<v Speaker 1>into it here. But like these distinctions and which rights

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 1>apply and which don't, Like a lot of them just

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>trickle down to all kinds of things about people's everyday lives.

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of these places have disproportionately higher participation in

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>military service, so there are a lot of military veterans,

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>but you know, military veterans and returning to these places

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>aren't able to do things like vote president afterward. And

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in some cases the veterans services in their local areas

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>are a business. Not good. Yeah, I was reading. I

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>was reading one thing about people from Guam needing particular

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>veteran services and having to go to Hawaii to get them,

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>which is like four thousand miles away. Thanks so much

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:56.360
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