Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up everybody? We have a very special episode
Speaker 3: for you today, and it's not just because I found
Speaker 3: out who's been catfishing me all this time. No, today
Speaker 3: we are joined by not one, but two of the
Speaker 3: founding fathers of One Tree Hill. Today we are lucky
Speaker 3: enough to have with us one Lee Michael Norris and
Speaker 3: Sir Antoine Tanner. Welcome, gentlemen. Yes, sir, hey, buddy, he twine?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 5: And I can't call it if I had your hand
Speaker 5: out though money and I got the poker ground.
Speaker 3: Today we do not have Soaf and Joy as they
Speaker 3: are no doubt out making the world a better and
Speaker 3: brighter place. So this is a bit of a boy's
Speaker 3: night in which is rather aprop sure given the episode
Speaker 3: we watched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just realized this is like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sad not to see the girls, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like Boytree Hill, but it's also like drama, Dad's drama,
Speaker 1: Daddy's We can't say that.
Speaker 3: Let's never call ourselves that. Yeah, it's it's great. I
Speaker 3: do wish soph and Joy were here because they were
Speaker 3: so freaking funny in this episode. Of course. Dude, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: before we get into it, let me just let the
Speaker 3: us know where we're at. We watched season eight, episode seven,
Speaker 3: Luck Be a Lady. It aired November two, twenty ten,
Speaker 3: and the summary reads, as the wedding approaches, Brooke tries
Speaker 3: to connect with Sylvia while Julian looks for his best
Speaker 3: man at a guy's poker night. Meanwhile, Nathan struggles in
Speaker 3: his new job, while Hayley's counseling abilities are challenged, and
Speaker 3: Skills returns to town with a new friend. It was
Speaker 3: directed by a less Butler and written by the incomparable
Speaker 3: David Strauss and Mike Harrow. That would explain the funny, Yes,
Speaker 3: for sure, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Every time we got a script with their names on
Speaker 1: the cover, I was always excited because you know, we
Speaker 1: always did the drama well, but I feel like that
Speaker 1: that energy in that comedy is kind of the unique
Speaker 1: balance that that kind of you know, helped us stand
Speaker 1: apart from some of the other shows. And they those
Speaker 1: guys are the best.
Speaker 3: And and everyone kills the comedy. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's just because there's so few opportunities for it, yeah,
Speaker 3: just proportionally the show is much more sort of melodramatic
Speaker 3: and drama heavy. But man, everyone when they get a
Speaker 3: moment to shine, I feel like all of it sings. Lee,
Speaker 3: you had some incredible stuff last episode where Julian comes
Speaker 3: over to record you and you like, tell me more.
Speaker 3: I don't remember any of it. Oh my gosh, it's hilarious.
Speaker 3: So it's when it's when mouth is ruggling, which just
Speaker 3: like he has nothing going on, and Julian's like, I'll yeah, lately,
Speaker 3: yes he is. And Julian comes over and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: record or I'll tape you for my documentary. And you're like, great,
Speaker 3: give me a moment. And you come out of your
Speaker 3: room with your hair slipped back like some wanna be
Speaker 3: nineteen eighties Wall Street guy, a suit that still has
Speaker 3: the tag on it and just oh, yes he is
Speaker 3: douche energy possible. Yes, like where you're on the phone
Speaker 3: chases finally.
Speaker 6: Really had to dig deep, really had to dig deep?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, clearly a far departure from you, but it
Speaker 3: ends the button of it is mouth feeling. He just
Speaker 3: like reaches into his pocket and then goes like oops
Speaker 3: in a roll of like twelve magnum condoms fall out,
Speaker 3: and he goes, oops, my magnums fall out? How'd that happen?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys, I have a six year
Speaker 1: old and it's going to be a long time before
Speaker 1: he can watch this show a long time as you're
Speaker 1: reminding me of of storylines that I've completely forgotten about.
Speaker 3: But no, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: And Twine, you always killed the comedy, like even if
Speaker 1: it wasn't there, you made comedy and found it, which was,
Speaker 1: you know, part of what makes you so great.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Buddy and Rob, what did.
Speaker 1: You think because this was still like you're still getting acclimated, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, were you surprised to see kind of like
Speaker 1: a funnier Did you know that that we did that
Speaker 1: or did you think it was.
Speaker 3: All drama coming in?
Speaker 5: Or no?
Speaker 3: I thought it was all drama. I thought it was
Speaker 3: pretty people staring out windows for forty two minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so anytime we got that because the thing is there's
Speaker 3: we had a really good writer, so like there was
Speaker 3: something like this one. Half of my notes for this
Speaker 3: episode are just quotes like. So when we got the stuff,
Speaker 3: it was a a treat because comedy is much more
Speaker 3: my preferred strike zone than drama. And then you got
Speaker 3: I got to see everyone work.
Speaker 5: Oh is it?
Speaker 3: Everyone was so good? You know what's funny? I didn't
Speaker 3: really realize until this episode twe when you do comedy,
Speaker 3: are you generally the straight man?
Speaker 5: Well? You know what is just the show was so
Speaker 5: full of drama and it was like, you know, I
Speaker 5: felt like I had to stand out. So it was
Speaker 5: just like it was like anytime we was on in scenes,
Speaker 5: I just did what felt right, what felt like, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So it was like and if
Speaker 5: it was it's something, a lot of it ended up
Speaker 5: just being funny because you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 5: found the funny in it. So it was like, but
Speaker 5: a lot of the comedy would always get cut, and
Speaker 5: we used to always make fun of that. We used
Speaker 5: to always be like I'll be like, well, skills, got
Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff, guess it, it get cut because
Speaker 5: they want to cry, because everybody wanted to cry. So
Speaker 5: it was like, okay, So I was always the guy
Speaker 5: that would you know, and like I said, a lot
Speaker 5: of times, I wasn't even wouldn't even try to do it.
Speaker 5: It just would. It would just be happening because that
Speaker 5: was our personalities because we all, you know, we always
Speaker 5: hung out and like you know, me and Lee, we
Speaker 5: didn't hung out so damn much. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like we'll go places and we'll be sitting back and
Speaker 5: just like what people really wanted to say, what they
Speaker 5: was thinking, I would just.
Speaker 3: Say that's all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think Rob's right, twe you're
Speaker 1: just naturally funny, so you don't even really have to try.
Speaker 1: Like the way that you just deliver stuff. You can
Speaker 1: just deliver it straight, but it's the look on your
Speaker 1: face and the dryness which you delivered is so just
Speaker 1: naturally funny that you don't, whereas some of us were
Speaker 1: having to ham it up or do dances.
Speaker 5: I won't, Yeah, you won't.
Speaker 3: Actually, Rob, you were dancing episode well, no, I was talking.
Speaker 3: I was talking about me.
Speaker 1: Normally I was the one doing the crazy dances, but
Speaker 1: but it was it was you and this how was
Speaker 1: that did you?
Speaker 3: I mean you know you were you were killing it
Speaker 3: in a way. Listen, stupid dancing is also my wheelhouse.
Speaker 3: That's how I got my sad card for a Ross commercial.
Speaker 3: They were they said, can you dance so bad? You
Speaker 3: make us laugh? And I was like, just just turn
Speaker 3: the turn the music on, and I just freestyled Ross commercial.
Speaker 1: I'm writing this down so I can google it and
Speaker 1: watch it uh later, Ross Okay.
Speaker 3: But yeah, to one, you're great at letting letting the
Speaker 3: funny come to you and then just reacting to it
Speaker 3: as opposed to reaching for it and the whole Lucas Dolphing. Well,
Speaker 3: first of all, it was so nice to have YouTube
Speaker 3: back together on the screen, and before we even get
Speaker 3: into that, because this became a real like hot button
Speaker 3: issue for me on the show because like I basically
Speaker 3: am watching the show for the first time, Like when
Speaker 3: we wrapped, I didn't rewatch it. I kind of shut
Speaker 3: the door on it was like cool later, So a
Speaker 3: lot of this I'm seeing with fresh eyes. I thought
Speaker 3: the Miss Lauren storyline was so interesting, and I was
Speaker 3: really lobbying hard for Mouth and Miss Lauren to work out,
Speaker 3: and I'm very and then obviously then things got a
Speaker 3: little crazy. I'm so curious to know what you two
Speaker 3: thought of that storyline.
Speaker 5: Oh, I was like, well, damn when I'm mightna have
Speaker 5: my own girlfriend, Like I was like, I I just
Speaker 5: can't have my own girlfriend. It took me forever to
Speaker 5: get one, and and it was always something happening when
Speaker 5: my girl would just go away. So we was like
Speaker 5: I was like right on the cusp with like because
Speaker 5: all the girlfriends that I had, all my storylines was funny.
Speaker 5: It was like never romantic, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The Mouth had Millie and they was you know, theirs
Speaker 5: was romantic, like you know what I'm saying. They could
Speaker 5: do things. Me and Lauren was kind of like we
Speaker 5: had our moments, but it wasn't like consistent because they
Speaker 5: just bounced me around. I went from bevn Bevin to
Speaker 5: Nanny deb to you know what I'm saying, and then
Speaker 5: to Miss Lauren. So it was like they just kept
Speaker 5: bouncing me around. I never had like one where it
Speaker 5: was just kind of stuck and we had like a
Speaker 5: you know, an ongoing storyline, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it was just like with me, it was just like, well,
Speaker 5: did we just gonna have fun?
Speaker 3: Did you bump it all on? When you do return
Speaker 3: to Tree Hill?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Like, because here was my issue? Like you just in
Speaker 3: this said there's nothing new with you. The way they
Speaker 3: wrote it was like Skills just basically dips without like
Speaker 3: including miss Lauren. He's not checking in, but he's playing
Speaker 3: video games with mouth and it's sort of it's this
Speaker 3: like main character energy where like he left and he
Speaker 3: came back and expected everyone to still like just be
Speaker 3: exactly as they were and like welcome him back. So
Speaker 3: when you excuse me, when Skills punch his mouth and
Speaker 3: he like the first time we see Skills puts his
Speaker 3: arm around Miss Lauren's waist, He's like, how's my girl?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what the hell You've been gone for
Speaker 3: like three months without calling anyone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's bro it's bro code, it's broke cod.
Speaker 5: You know, that's just what it is. It's like me,
Speaker 5: I always tell my boys, I'd be like, listen, if
Speaker 5: you ever told a girl that you loved her at
Speaker 5: any point in your life. That is cis for me, period.
Speaker 5: So I think they you know, that's just bro code.
Speaker 5: That's just how they wrote it because that was what
Speaker 5: they would you know, that's what they believed in, and
Speaker 5: that's that's what it was. But I mean that's how
Speaker 5: I am anyway, So.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll plead the fifth.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember the specifics of how they got
Speaker 1: together and all that. This was the first time I'd
Speaker 1: watched it in a couple of years, rob, but I
Speaker 1: just I have to say, like Alison Munn shout out
Speaker 1: like the best, the very best. We had so much
Speaker 1: fun with her in her real life husband Scott you know,
Speaker 1: who came on the show too, So just getting to
Speaker 1: play with her, like regardless of whatever the story was.
Speaker 1: I know, Twana and I both love that because there
Speaker 1: are people that come in as guest stars and it's
Speaker 1: a really hard as you know, coming in later to
Speaker 1: the show, it's hard to do that, and she came
Speaker 1: in seamlessly and was so much fun, like consummate professional,
Speaker 1: so easy, there was no awkwardness or weirdness at all.
Speaker 1: So to get to play with her for whatever reason
Speaker 1: was just the best.
Speaker 3: No, I love Ellen, You're so right, because now that
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it, I wonder how much of me
Speaker 3: lobbying four Mouth and miss Lauren was actually just about
Speaker 3: wanting to see more of Miss Lauren. Yeah, because the
Speaker 3: problem was when Skills left town. So did this absolutely
Speaker 3: for the viewers purposes at least, like she disappeared. So
Speaker 3: I wonder if part of what was wrapped up and
Speaker 3: that was just because, like you said, every time she
Speaker 3: came on the screen, I was like, oh, sure, she's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's just solid, yeah and funny and all the
Speaker 1: emotion is there and made our jobs way easier. So yeah,
Speaker 1: anything that brought her back I was always for.
Speaker 3: So yeah, what did you Having not watched these episodes
Speaker 3: a long time, what did you guys think of this?
Speaker 5: Up? I was cracking up up joy and self was
Speaker 5: so funny. I was cracking up. I was like, they
Speaker 5: were hilarious at the the damn wadding thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: they were hilarious. I was Craig. I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: they are so good. They was so funny. Though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was nervous, I'll be honest going into it.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to go back and watch yourself and when
Speaker 1: you have some distance from it for a little while,
Speaker 1: you're there's always this fear, at least for me, that
Speaker 1: when you dip back into it, you're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not how I remembered it, and oh god, why
Speaker 1: you know, why am I doing this? So I was
Speaker 1: a little anxious about it. But once we got back
Speaker 1: into it, and at first I was a little like
Speaker 1: I couldn't quite place what was happening. But then when
Speaker 1: I kind of got back into it and I realized
Speaker 1: what was happening, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in
Speaker 1: and then we can get to this maybe at the end.
Speaker 1: But like once the coda came, like one Tree Hill
Speaker 1: does a coda like nobody's business, and you know, for
Speaker 1: listeners at home, I'm sure they're savvy enough to know
Speaker 1: the code is the end of the episode with the
Speaker 1: big song, and you know, but by the end, Andrea
Speaker 1: was watching it with me, and we were on the
Speaker 1: couch and like at first, I would say, when the
Speaker 1: episode started, we were like snacking and just like whatever,
Speaker 1: and then by the time the coda came on, we
Speaker 1: were like what what.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't remember.
Speaker 6: What happens, Like I got to keep going, you know.
Speaker 6: So it was great.
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I love this episode too because
Speaker 1: we got to see I think pairings that didn't or
Speaker 1: groups of people that didn't always get to play together.
Speaker 1: Like Rob, I feel like we barely ever got to
Speaker 1: cross paths.
Speaker 5: You know, with you, we did with them, they kept us.
Speaker 3: Didn't we all do Tahoe together?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or Park City?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that's right, yes, yeah, yeah yes, and you know,
Speaker 1: same with them. I think we were always in couples
Speaker 1: a lot, right.
Speaker 6: And I love.
Speaker 1: Lisa gold scene, like I missed her in this desperately.
Speaker 1: But it was nice to be able to play with,
Speaker 1: you know, a group of people who I didn't always
Speaker 1: get to see. It was so great to see Junk
Speaker 1: and Fergie back with everybody at the poker table and
Speaker 1: those one liners between like Janna and and Junk where
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the Alex Duprey of it all. She is, dude,
Speaker 3: She is just like I've always said, like she's so manic,
Speaker 3: you know. And there was the perfect Alex moment when
Speaker 3: Julian starts he puts her on camp and she's she's like, Hi,
Speaker 3: I'm Alex Dupre. You might recognize me from tabloids. We
Speaker 3: have an internet porn, but I also do the occasional movie.
Speaker 3: And Julian's like, whoa, let's let's just grow serious, and
Speaker 3: she takes a beat and she goes, yeah, not long ago,
Speaker 3: I tried to alive myself and he's like.
Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3: So it's it's this funny mix of her. It's like
Speaker 3: it's either one far end of the extreme or it's
Speaker 3: all the way the other.
Speaker 5: Yea, Jenna was good.
Speaker 1: She was funny, and she is another one who's great
Speaker 1: at that comedy, like again that she she can do
Speaker 1: the drama obviously they're really really tumultuous storyline that she
Speaker 1: was referring to, and play that so well, but then
Speaker 1: come in and bring sort of a lot like Sophia
Speaker 1: and the Brook character kind of brings that energy and god,
Speaker 1: I love that. And I was just reminded too, you
Speaker 1: know Antoninia were talking about sof Brooke and the wedding expo,
Speaker 1: I mean, all of that stuff. And with Sharon Lawrence
Speaker 1: again another pairing that at that point we probably hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten to see a lot of.
Speaker 3: I don't was this Sharon's first episode. I had to
Speaker 3: be one of.
Speaker 5: Her first, right, she had Thanksgiving one. Yeah, that's Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 6: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean again to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not appearing that we're used to sing a whole
Speaker 1: lot of at that point, and Sharon's obviously like a
Speaker 1: legend and so good. I mean when she's like passed
Speaker 1: out on the bench and and Brooke is like talking
Speaker 1: to herself wandering through the expo, I was just like
Speaker 1: I was. It made me remember, you know, all the
Speaker 1: things that I loved about this show, that these characters
Speaker 1: are so are just so rich, and that we've spent
Speaker 1: so much time with them. I mean I was looking
Speaker 1: at I was looking at the show and I was
Speaker 1: like season eight. I was like, this aired in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: You know, at this point there are kids who were
Speaker 1: probably freshmen in high school who started watching season one
Speaker 1: of One Tree Hill, and if they'd stayed at watching
Speaker 1: the whole time, by this point, they're like about to
Speaker 1: graduate from college. And you think about like the amount
Speaker 1: of life that happens in those eight years, and that
Speaker 1: people were invested in these characters for so long, And
Speaker 1: when I see sof doing what she was doing, in
Speaker 1: the expo, even though the dialogue is not you know,
Speaker 1: all of this is just kind of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing really super high brow. You really care about these characters,
Speaker 1: and it was just a great reminder of why I
Speaker 1: love the show so much.
Speaker 5: Lee. Is there a picture behind you downtown Wilmington?
Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
Speaker 5: Looking at it, I'm like, is that Marcus Street? Is
Speaker 5: that that's looking out out of the window from a
Speaker 5: liquor room? That's right, Okay, I just kept bothering me.
Speaker 6: I painted it just for you, Tuan.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I didn't paint that an artist.
Speaker 1: The local artist in Wilmington did that, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was fitting for today to have that as my backdrop.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Another person who we don't get all the time that
Speaker 3: I absolutely love seeing is Stephen Coletti, and he's been
Speaker 3: in so much more of the season, which I'm grateful
Speaker 3: for because he's just so funny. And then there's a
Speaker 3: moment in Red Bedroom Records when it's kind of his
Speaker 3: Maya Kolpa. He shows up and he's like coffee break,
Speaker 3: and it's funny because he's only brought coffee for Haley,
Speaker 3: excuse me, for me. But at the end of it,
Speaker 3: after it gets awkward. He goes Chase out and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this happened during this the Ryan Seacrest era,
Speaker 3: the man who pioneered seacrest out. Yes, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: know when this happened, right right, yeah, yes, yes, oh
Speaker 3: yeah it was. He was so good and and.
Speaker 1: He was you know, it was really fun to watch
Speaker 1: him in this episode because he's he I watched him
Speaker 1: grow a lot as an actor. I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: when he came on, he was nervous about coming from
Speaker 1: Laguna and and and coming from the reality show background,
Speaker 1: and like in this episode, I mean, he's got to
Speaker 1: meet with the girls and you know, this whole battle
Speaker 1: and he it was great to kind of watch him
Speaker 1: come into his own.
Speaker 3: So I have a bit of an issue with a
Speaker 3: later scene involving him and the women. So I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna Tarantino this. We're gonna start with the
Speaker 3: end of it. Chase. After the poker night, he goes
Speaker 3: back to Trick. Alex and Mia are there, and Alex
Speaker 3: comes to him sincerely and is like, hey, my bad.
Speaker 3: You know hat in hand. He's buzzed, he's pissed, and
Speaker 3: so he just he just turns and kisses Mia right
Speaker 3: in front of her and uh right, yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: as soon as they're done kissing. I think it's like
Speaker 3: Mia clocks what's happening and she slaps him. Here is
Speaker 3: my beef. Earlier in the episode, she literally says to Chase, Hey,
Speaker 3: if you ever want to make that be Ith jealous,
Speaker 3: I'm your girl, and I'm like you you literally told
Speaker 3: him I'd be happy to make her jealous. He actually
Speaker 3: takes you up on it and he gets slapped. Did
Speaker 3: either of you catch that or bump on that?
Speaker 5: I caught it? Yeah I did. I mean I want
Speaker 5: to jous I'm your girl, and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean it.
Speaker 1: And in her defense, sometimes we say things that we
Speaker 1: think we're okay with and then when it happens and
Speaker 1: you're faced with the reality of it, you're like, well maybe.
Speaker 6: Not so I get it, but you know, it was tough.
Speaker 6: It was tough. I felt I felt for him. Didn't
Speaker 6: he get slapped twice? Didn't they both slap with it?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: He did first. Alex slaps it well, because listen, he's
Speaker 3: an absolute jerk about it. He kisses me, which is
Speaker 3: bad enough, and then he like pulls back and goes
Speaker 3: the truth hurts, doesn't it. So he fully deserved the
Speaker 3: first slap. Yeah, just kind of felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: like listen boys were dumb, especially when we're drinking. So
Speaker 3: I felt like there was a certain amount of leeway
Speaker 3: he should have gotten in that situation that he didn't.
Speaker 3: He also had another great line. There was an amazing
Speaker 3: moment where when Julian shows up at poker Night and
Speaker 3: he walks in first, it's hilarious because he has his
Speaker 3: fantasy sequence of everyone being like jamn, what's up? And
Speaker 3: then he comes into just the coldest reception and it's, Uh,
Speaker 3: it's because everyone's pissed that Alex is there. And I
Speaker 3: think it's like junk Is saying like, hey, you brought
Speaker 3: a girl to poker Knight. Great, and then just from
Speaker 3: the back row, Chaseo's good going Julian and like cheers
Speaker 3: as him with his beer, and I was like, that's
Speaker 3: he had one line in that scene and that was
Speaker 3: the most memorable part for me. It was like, wait
Speaker 3: to steal a scene, Stevie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, Yeah, that was great and I love that too,
Speaker 1: Like the whole dream. I was watching the intro sequence
Speaker 1: and I'm like oh wait, this is he's dreaming, Like
Speaker 1: this is not you know, this can't be real.
Speaker 3: But then I was like, did we do stuff like that?
Speaker 6: And I was like, yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: And it reminded me again of one of the things,
Speaker 1: just again not having come to the show in a
Speaker 1: long time, Like I love that, especially in their episodes
Speaker 1: Tara and Strauss, that we didn't take ourselves too seriously
Speaker 1: all the time, Right, it'd be very easy to do that,
Speaker 1: And I love that we're in on the joke for
Speaker 1: you know, in a sense, it just made it that
Speaker 1: much more entertaining to me. Same thing with the mannequin.
Speaker 1: And I will say I called Mike Carro yesterday. I
Speaker 1: told him that I watched this episode and so I said,
Speaker 1: you got to tell me, like, what's the you know,
Speaker 1: what was going on with the manic? Like I don't
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't remember that, And I thought it
Speaker 1: was hysterical when I like, wake up and I scream
Speaker 1: when I'm in bed, when Mount's in bed with him
Speaker 1: a little Godfather homage, yes, yes, And then when twin
Speaker 1: when you scream and it overlaps with Jana's scream. I
Speaker 1: literally laughed out loud, which I probably haven't done in
Speaker 1: my own living room and in a long time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny and totally absurd, but
Speaker 1: Harrow said that, you know, I think they were kind
Speaker 1: of joking about it, as often happens in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: joking about like, well we need you know, the River
Speaker 1: Court guys. They missed their buddy, and so maybe Twan
Speaker 1: does something and brings this mankin.
Speaker 3: I don't know what your job was.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 3: He was doing coordinating stunts, so it was a stunt
Speaker 3: doll coordinating. It was a stunt doll.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: So he was saying, that's kind of where the idea
Speaker 1: came from. And I think he said they called it
Speaker 1: Chad Michael Mannikin when they were referred.
Speaker 3: To listen Chad Michael Manniquin. And then later in the episode,
Speaker 3: Brook goes, fine, it's best mannequin. Just make sure you
Speaker 3: get that Dummia tucks or something like that, that those
Speaker 3: are two terrific punts. Yes, yeah, I I'm glad that
Speaker 3: you did that bit of research because I was very
Speaker 3: curious about that because yeah, and I think it was
Speaker 3: in season seven there was a moment where our boss
Speaker 3: clearly took a shot at Chad. It's where like Dan
Speaker 3: is backstage at his show, yeah, and uh, Danil comes
Speaker 3: in and is like, hey, we got to figure out
Speaker 3: something for Sweeps week, and Dan just says, uh, why
Speaker 3: don't we Why don't we get Lucas to come? I
Speaker 3: know he's not doing anything, and and it was just
Speaker 3: so lame and uncool and obvious and heavy handed. And
Speaker 3: so when when I first saw the Chad Michael mannequin,
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, is this gonna turn into another
Speaker 3: And I was glad when it wasn't. It was just
Speaker 3: guys missing their buddy. And yeah, you two are hilarious
Speaker 3: with it. Twan you leaving the scene saying he needs
Speaker 3: a bath and then the look on Lee's face like
Speaker 3: I don't know whether I actually am expected to do
Speaker 3: that or not.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I would not have been okay if that,
Speaker 1: If it had turned into like a punching doll, so
Speaker 1: to speak for Chad, I wouldn't have been okay with that.
Speaker 3: I didn't read it that way.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, we were in this kind
Speaker 1: of weird position of we lost these central characters, you know,
Speaker 1: and that he you know, Lucas had been an integral
Speaker 1: part of Twine. You're of our dynamic right with the
Speaker 1: Rivercrek guys. And so there is this weird balance of
Speaker 1: like the show continues on and we can't just you know,
Speaker 1: pretend like these characters didn't exist, and you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have necessarily come up with this way to do it,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't acknowledgment there of this kind of this
Speaker 1: this friend that they missed, and if anything, it just
Speaker 1: made me miss Chad.
Speaker 3: Honestly, in the episode, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh I miss I miss I miss our buddy,
Speaker 1: you know. But so yeah, it was that was that.
Speaker 3: Was interesting to see for sure. But I wanted to
Speaker 3: let you know.
Speaker 1: I talked to Harrow and he was excited we were
Speaker 1: doing their episode and he sends as the best everybody.
Speaker 5: So he ro.
Speaker 3: And another thing that Heron Strauss did really well is
Speaker 3: that thing of the way one scene will end is
Speaker 3: how another scene begins, like you were saying with the
Speaker 3: screaming you know, or what is it? I think like
Speaker 3: James is coming back being like I'm an idiot and
Speaker 3: then like someone else has just said like, oh I'm
Speaker 3: an idiot.
Speaker 1: Great transitions, Yeah, yeah, very good transitions. You could see
Speaker 1: all of that through the episode, and yeah, it all
Speaker 1: did a great job of just tying it all together.
Speaker 1: And I sort of remembered, like what the style of
Speaker 1: the show was, right, it was those transitions with the
Speaker 1: music driving it all, and yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 6: It was really nice to see.
Speaker 5: I know what, I like that that I that I
Speaker 5: see from what we did as are like our original cast.
Speaker 5: We made all of the guest stars and co stars
Speaker 5: and the new the new people that came, we always
Speaker 5: made them feel they didn't feel like outsiders, like you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like I got to come in
Speaker 5: and prove myself on this show because they are already here.
Speaker 5: And I think we made everybody feel like family because
Speaker 5: we was in that little small town, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Everybody was kind of together and we just
Speaker 5: kind of welcomed everybody with open arms. So I think
Speaker 5: that gave them a lot of more, you know, confidence
Speaker 5: to come in and make the scenes like organic, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, because everybody was like, oh, they're cool,
Speaker 5: because you know how it might be you go to
Speaker 5: a show like you know what I'm saying, and you're
Speaker 5: just like, damn, I'm the guest I'm the guest star
Speaker 5: this week, and I'm just in my dressing room until
Speaker 5: they call me. And when I get there, it's like
Speaker 5: everybody's quiet, nobody's really you know. You do your singing
Speaker 5: and then it's like all right, then, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. It's like everybody's talking with you in the
Speaker 5: corner by yourself. I don't think we did that. Everybody
Speaker 5: was always kind of like you know, in a group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or at least we tried, I think as much as.
Speaker 5: We can think.
Speaker 3: You guys were great at that. I can say from
Speaker 3: my own experience, and I would say, Antoine, you are
Speaker 3: the leader of that parade like you were. You were
Speaker 3: definitely the social in terms of like, hey, everyone like
Speaker 3: you guys want to do this tonight, Like you would
Speaker 3: be the sort of the the initiator of the like
Speaker 3: group hang and you were great at that. And also
Speaker 3: it's that is not only is that just a great
Speaker 3: way to be as a human being, just to be
Speaker 3: welcoming and kind to people, but it's also such a
Speaker 3: smart thing to do because it is a big show.
Speaker 3: It was very successful. I can tell your firsthand. It
Speaker 3: is very stressful. I mean, all of us know, it's
Speaker 3: stressful to be guests on anything because you're a guest
Speaker 3: in someone else's home. You don't know the flow, the vibe,
Speaker 3: all of it. But like when I joined our show,
Speaker 3: I was so nervous, you know. And but when you
Speaker 3: are welcome with people like that, then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden they kind of like take a breath, they drop
Speaker 3: their shoulders, and as actors, like that's when they're that's
Speaker 3: when you're going to do better work, you know. So
Speaker 3: it was just it was a cool kind thing and
Speaker 3: it was also a very smart, sort of like beneficial
Speaker 3: thing to do for the show. Yeah, it benefits everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it makes this the fabric of the stronger show,
Speaker 1: and the relationships feel more real and you can do
Speaker 1: better work when you trust the people that you're opposite
Speaker 1: on camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I loved so. I really wish Joy and so
Speaker 3: for here because there was so many just gems from
Speaker 3: the bride Expo, the bridal Expo.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, where was that? I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out where that was?
Speaker 3: Where things were. James actually went to the Falcon Stadium
Speaker 3: right to it.
Speaker 6: I saw, I know, I was like, well, I guess James,
Speaker 6: got to go to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: That must have been fun.
Speaker 4: I don't know how.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but i'd same as you, Lee.
Speaker 3: I went back and rewound, I don't looking for like
Speaker 3: a green screen giveaway, and yes, it's like, no, he
Speaker 3: just got to go there. Which was odd because I
Speaker 3: thought you flew him in a crew to Atlanta and
Speaker 3: you shot one scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what if it was like just James and like
Speaker 1: a steady cam, like he's just like holding it and it's.
Speaker 3: Point on the escalator too. Yeah, what a cool thing
Speaker 3: for him. No, that was really cool.
Speaker 1: I had a moment too where I was like, because
Speaker 1: we did always feel sort of like this small show
Speaker 1: and we were, you know, we didn't have this big,
Speaker 1: grand budget. And then suddenly I was like, wait, he's
Speaker 1: in the in the stadium in Atlanta, Like that's incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did he do right? He went to the to
Speaker 5: the Panthers stadium too, Right, did he did he?
Speaker 1: Or he went to Charlotte for the or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bridal ex bo stuff. Yeah, like you had said, Lee,
Speaker 3: Sharon Lawrence, that is national treasure. Sharon Lawrence is just
Speaker 3: in assassage. Yeah, and she crushes the whole mom' Zillow thing.
Speaker 3: Soph is so funny, so good, and there's so many
Speaker 3: great moments that, Like when she's walking down the hallway,
Speaker 3: it's I think it's right before she discovers Mama Baker
Speaker 3: passed out and she's like, yeah, she's she's referencing Diehard
Speaker 3: and she's like, come to the bridle ex boo. They'd say,
Speaker 3: have a few laughs. I said it'll be fun you
Speaker 3: be ka Mama Baker or something like that, and then.
Speaker 1: She's like, I've been hanging out. Yes, yes, yes, it
Speaker 1: was so good man. Yeah, she's so good. It reminds
Speaker 1: me why she is the star she is. I just
Speaker 1: love her and she's so good at that. And she's
Speaker 1: so good what what she's so good at is being
Speaker 1: funny and bringing that energy. But it all feels so grounded,
Speaker 1: like similarly to Utwine, it doesn't it feels grounded, It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel forced in any way. And I love that
Speaker 1: whole arc because, like you you were saying, Rob, Sharon
Speaker 1: is just masterful, like very fine line that you have
Speaker 1: to walk there like to because you're coming and playing
Speaker 1: this character right and she kind of has to be
Speaker 1: this mom and like it could be very easy for
Speaker 1: her to just come off as annoying and like not
Speaker 1: feel for her in any way, shape or form, because
Speaker 1: you're you're as a viewer, you're used to rooting and
Speaker 1: seeing brook right, and here's this new character and she's
Speaker 1: supposed to be this kind of like mom and getting
Speaker 1: on Brooks' nerves. But by the end of the arc,
Speaker 1: you know, you see more of where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: You see the humanities and the struggles that she's dealing with.
Speaker 1: And she just did such a great job of like
Speaker 1: playing the comedy but still having that depth to it.
Speaker 1: And then what I love is the unexpected middle of
Speaker 1: the arc where you know, Haley comes think and you think,
Speaker 1: you think you know what's gonna happen as a viewer,
Speaker 1: you think Haley's gonna, you know, say brook and then
Speaker 1: suddenly it's it's the opposite. She's on the mom's side
Speaker 1: with the pregnancy hormones, and it was just so it
Speaker 1: was joyful, like I I and Joy is so good,
Speaker 1: Like she's such a great just actress and always so
Speaker 1: natural and just like I would I remember just watching Joy,
Speaker 1: you know, on set, I'd stand a video village and
Speaker 1: just watch her and just I would just try to
Speaker 1: like absorb what she was doing because she was just
Speaker 1: so in it always and the choices she makes her
Speaker 1: always so interesting, you know, as an actress and real
Speaker 1: and she you know, I bought that she's on the
Speaker 1: mom's side and not on Brooks, but not meaning to
Speaker 1: do it intentionally. She just she she you know, sees
Speaker 1: a lot of what she wanted in a relationship with her.
Speaker 3: That's the best part is that she's not going in
Speaker 3: there to be like a jerk or thinking she's funny.
Speaker 3: She's in earnest trying to support her friend, but her
Speaker 3: hormones are getting the better of her, and she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, I'm aware I'm ruining this. What's interesting
Speaker 3: is that we had there was a moment, I think
Speaker 3: in last season where Julian basically explains that his mom,
Speaker 3: you know, he was worried about her and how she
Speaker 3: watched her go through a depression and how he couldn't
Speaker 3: save her. And then what's weird, right is at this
Speaker 3: season Sharon Lawrence shows up and she's Sharon Lawrence, so
Speaker 3: she's like floating through the room. She is quick on
Speaker 3: her feet, she's well spoken, and we were doing the
Speaker 3: episode covering, I was like, I'm a little confused. I
Speaker 3: don't see the woman I thought we were learning about.
Speaker 3: And at the end of this episode, yeah, it was
Speaker 3: great that she gets too hammered, passes out and then
Speaker 3: tells me to reveal Yeah, don't tell Julian. He worries
Speaker 3: And I thought, what would you guys do if that
Speaker 3: if you were in that spot? You're married, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean if we're in whose spot and who shoes?
Speaker 3: Like basically who who gets priority? Is it? Do you
Speaker 3: tell your partner or do you keep.
Speaker 1: I well, that's part of why I wanted to keep going.
Speaker 1: I was like, how is she going to handle this? Because,
Speaker 1: you know, you enter that delicate space of it was
Speaker 1: cleared by the end of the episode that she recognized
Speaker 1: that she could have just gone to Julian and been
Speaker 1: blatantly honest about how horrible it all was. And you
Speaker 1: can see her pulling back and realizing that that's a
Speaker 1: special relationship for him and it may not be a
Speaker 1: perfect one, and very obviously isn't, but she wants to
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to tear that down, and she wants,
Speaker 1: you know, to give the mom a chance. But it
Speaker 1: also lets her know that like, oh, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's more to this that we may have to
Speaker 1: deal with, you know, eventually as a family, and the
Speaker 1: repercussion of.
Speaker 3: This swan what would you do?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't snitch on her her. I would probably, That's
Speaker 5: what I meant to say. Yeah, I would probably you know,
Speaker 5: have my own conversation with her, and you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like on the side, like between us, then
Speaker 5: I think that would probably strengthen the relationship. But I
Speaker 5: definitely wouldn't. I wouldn't snitch on her to you know,
Speaker 5: give away our confidence, you know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 5: let her know like she could hope she could tell
Speaker 5: me things and I wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: And also Brooke has this very complicated dynamic with her
Speaker 1: own mother, right, and so I think she can recognize
Speaker 1: in a different way, you know, Victoria is not I
Speaker 1: don't think it, you know, battling alcoholism or anything, but
Speaker 1: she's got Victoria is a very unique, complicated mother. And
Speaker 1: so I think Brooke understands, you know, the tenuous relationship
Speaker 1: of that, and and maybe maybe she feels like that's
Speaker 1: you know, something she'll be able to help Julian with.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's it's that again.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to keep watching, and now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to we such you back in, you Dan, I'm
Speaker 1: back in guys.
Speaker 3: Like four episodes into doing this podcast, I I it
Speaker 3: was like I either was I missed a podcast, so
Speaker 3: there was one I was able to just watch without
Speaker 3: having to take notes and I was able to just
Speaker 3: be a viewer and dude, I enjoyed the heck out
Speaker 3: of it. So when I came on the next episode,
Speaker 3: I was, oh, good, I get it. I caught one
Speaker 3: tree hill feet Yeah, and I, I mean I already
Speaker 3: could tell, already knew why the show was such a success.
Speaker 3: But when you get to just be a viewer and
Speaker 3: just enjoy it, it's a great ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have you You haven't seen any of the
Speaker 1: earlier seasons, have you. You're gonna have to go back
Speaker 1: and do a deep dive with all your free time.
Speaker 3: Drum A queen's two point would just be me talking
Speaker 3: about seasons one through five maybe with you guys. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a great moment in that Bridal expo where
Speaker 3: uh there. I mean, of course, like, uh, Sharon just
Speaker 3: ruins every every plan of hers, like, oh, I was
Speaker 3: gonna have my friend Quinn take photos. She's like, who that.
Speaker 3: She goes, uh, yes, yeah, un yes, Quinn James. She
Speaker 3: just goes, never heard of it. Yes, And then when
Speaker 3: it comes to bridesmaids, she says, uh because I think
Speaker 3: Brooks like, I'm gonna design my own bridesmaid stuff, and
Speaker 3: she says, oh, honey, the whole point is for them
Speaker 3: to look ugly so that you look pretty. And I thought,
Speaker 3: what's so good?
Speaker 5: There's that?
Speaker 3: There's that works on two levels. One, I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but bridesmaids dresses usually are pretty horrible. But it's also
Speaker 3: such a hilarious backhanded insult, like you need them to
Speaker 3: look ugly, like you need you need that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: And I do have to shout out out another behind
Speaker 1: the scenes fact. At one point they I think she
Speaker 1: mentions Matt McGraw photography. She was like, oh, you should
Speaker 1: have Matt McGraw photography, and they show his booth. He's
Speaker 1: an actual real photographer in Wilmington. So I remember we
Speaker 1: used to see Matt out and about around town, and
Speaker 1: he's actually a real wedding photographer, so like a Wilmington local.
Speaker 1: So just you know, fun fact, just bring in the
Speaker 1: Wilmington knowledge today.
Speaker 3: Totally off topic and unrelated, but I referenced this in
Speaker 3: an earlier episode. Lee. It's when you and Matt and
Speaker 3: Milly have just had like a one night stand, like
Speaker 3: it's their first time being back together. And I was like, Lee,
Speaker 3: looks like Captain America, Like, you look great. I think
Speaker 3: we even even became an Instagram clip that you commented on.
Speaker 3: So you're aware of what I'm talking about. Yeah, oh yes,
Speaker 3: thank god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, somehow, the magical the algorithm like knew
Speaker 1: that I needed a self esteem boos that day and
Speaker 1: it landed in my feed and I was like, thank you,
Speaker 1: Rob Buckley, you know, And I was it meant a
Speaker 1: lot that you that you noticed and that you, you know,
Speaker 1: made a point of it pointing it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I was working hard that season.
Speaker 5: I was just.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, when you go to set every
Speaker 1: day with James Lafferty and yourself and Antoine Tanner and
Speaker 1: Austin Nichols, you you got to set u up your
Speaker 1: game and you feel you feel some pressure there, but no,
Speaker 1: I mean I think the reality was I think maybe
Speaker 1: I was engaged around this point and the wedding. You know,
Speaker 1: we were starting to get to that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to feel good about myself, so I was
Speaker 1: putting in some extra reps and then you know, I
Speaker 1: noticed the shirt started to come off more on the show,
Speaker 1: so I thought they must be paying attention. But then
Speaker 1: that all went out the window next season when they
Speaker 1: made mouth gain a bunch.
Speaker 5: Of weight, So that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there is this weird thing that happens on
Speaker 3: our show where it's like the emasculation of Austin, where
Speaker 3: when he first came in he was like this slick,
Speaker 3: cool producer and then as soon as he becomes a
Speaker 3: love interest, it's at every turn that they can make
Speaker 3: him as unleading man as possible. They try, and it like,
Speaker 3: for example, he doesn't know how to high five that
Speaker 3: was in the episode prior, Like what thirty year old
Speaker 3: guy doesn't know how to high five? The thing is
Speaker 3: Austin is so immensely likable and charming that it never was.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't he's just so funny that I just
Speaker 1: I remember that as just being like a goof He's
Speaker 1: just laughing at it, because he was so goofy doing
Speaker 1: the like yeah, I can't even remember, you know. He
Speaker 1: just made it work to his credit, and I think
Speaker 1: we all had instances where we felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't quite know what to do, and we just
Speaker 1: had to commit and make it work. And he was
Speaker 1: always nobody better than him at doing that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I noticed that in this episode too. It was interesting
Speaker 1: to see the the kind of dynamic of him with
Speaker 1: all the guys right and not used to being with them.
Speaker 3: But I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love that the stereotype was kind of flipped on
Speaker 1: its head and then it's not you know, that he
Speaker 1: is sort of uncomfortable at a poker knight and that
Speaker 1: he'd done all the decorations in the back, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not your stereotypical guys guy who had
Speaker 1: like a poker knight, and so I could kind of
Speaker 1: relate to him in that sense of like wanting to
Speaker 1: win people over, and so I did find that interesting
Speaker 1: and likable in a way that he's not just your
Speaker 1: average bro but also, yeah, I'm not for it masculating anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't just to do it. But I thought in
Speaker 1: this instance, it was interesting to see you know, kind
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I say that because it wasn't until I watched,
Speaker 3: like I said, episode where Mouth and Millie hook back
Speaker 3: up and and then they started to kind of have
Speaker 3: you like being around in a tank top and and
Speaker 3: and you you were looking great. And then my brain went, oh,
Speaker 3: but next season is the fat Suit. And I just wondered,
Speaker 3: is there a chance that, like the the super glow up,
Speaker 3: the Captain America glow up inspired a random storyline because
Speaker 3: I remember at the time even being like, what like
Speaker 3: trying to politely ask you, like what the hell? And
Speaker 3: you and you're basically like, I don't know, dude, do
Speaker 3: you to this day do you know what that was about?
Speaker 6: I don't. I can speculate, but I mean calculating place.
Speaker 5: I think with some like I think they were saying
Speaker 5: some about how Lee, how your character or some lost
Speaker 5: a job or something. He was depressed. Yeah, that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you went away. You went away right and to some
Speaker 5: job and came back right. Maybe I know, I don't
Speaker 5: remember what this sad.
Speaker 3: Happened, and this happened like like now this has already happened.
Speaker 3: Is that at the start of season seven, yes, uh,
Speaker 3: Nathan is accused by this woman of getting her pregnant
Speaker 3: on a one night stand and it's about to make
Speaker 3: news and Nathan's like, hey, this is untrue, and Mouth,
Speaker 3: being the stand up guy he is, isn't reporting, and
Speaker 3: Mouth's boss is like, hey, man, report the story, and
Speaker 3: then Mouth bon Air is basically like, no, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to report this story because it's hearsay and that's
Speaker 3: a person's life and it costs his job, even though
Speaker 3: he ends up being right. So what you're seeing now
Speaker 3: is like, so he's already been unemployed. He's kind of right,
Speaker 3: which is which is why he's why he's working as
Speaker 3: the bar back at at Trick You. To Mouth's credit,
Speaker 3: he did start a podcast, which I was I was
Speaker 3: remarking that he was way before for his time. Where
Speaker 3: are my royalties guys?
Speaker 5: Come on?
Speaker 3: So again, it just like I said, the fatsuit of it.
Speaker 1: All, I kind of was like, was this just I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1: I do know that, you know, there was some notice
Speaker 1: that I've been working out more and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But and I think there was this kind of reminder
Speaker 1: of like, oh, yes you are. You're supposed to be
Speaker 1: the nice guy, the average guy, you know. But I
Speaker 1: never felt like any amount of working out was ever
Speaker 1: going to make me look like Chad or James or
Speaker 1: you know. I always felt like I was who I was.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where the plot line came from.
Speaker 1: I do remember being just extremely concerned obviously about wanting
Speaker 1: to get it right and tell it in a respectful way.
Speaker 1: And you know, we had a lot of problems with
Speaker 1: the makeup test for that. The makeup didn't end up
Speaker 1: looking right. I think they needed to spend more money
Speaker 1: on it, and you know, I just said a certain
Speaker 1: point felt like, gosh, I just my prayer is that
Speaker 1: people watch this and they see that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: honor what is a very real struggle for so many people,
Speaker 1: and that there is no trying to make a light
Speaker 1: of this. So that's the way that I approached it
Speaker 1: in every instance that I could. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things where I think season nine,
Speaker 1: they're listen. It is hard to spend yarn and stories
Speaker 1: for this many characters for that long, and I think
Speaker 1: this was just one of those things where they thought,
Speaker 1: we'll just put him in this situation and see what happens.
Speaker 1: But you know, I ultimately loved where it ended up
Speaker 1: at the end of that season the.
Speaker 3: Way the spoilers because I do not remember.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, but it goes back more
Speaker 1: into his reporting and Jimmy and all of that, which
Speaker 1: were the Jimmy Edwards, which you know, that whole relationship
Speaker 1: was just really a driving factor for my character and
Speaker 1: one of the things that I loved the most about
Speaker 1: his storylines.
Speaker 3: It all worked out.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, y'all lot the Bird part yet, And
Speaker 5: I was with when I was working at the at
Speaker 5: the network with Lee was when I was the Bird.
Speaker 3: That must have been right before season seven.
Speaker 5: I can't remember when it was.
Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, they always had you doing something silly, twine.
Speaker 1: You always had a costume with a kind of.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's part of the frustration is listen,
Speaker 3: it's an ensemble show. It is so hard to do
Speaker 3: well because at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: you're given something like four and a half minutes of
Speaker 3: screen time. Per character, you know. And it's also because
Speaker 3: like I, everyone on the show is so good. Like
Speaker 3: everyone is, there's not a weak link. And so when
Speaker 3: you know someone's good and capable of so much, it's
Speaker 3: hard to watch them do a storyline that is just
Speaker 3: it's not it's not like it's not interesting or it's
Speaker 3: not capitalizing on any of their their superpowers.
Speaker 1: Well and two, you know, I was another just observation
Speaker 1: of coming back into this and looking at it. I
Speaker 1: pulled it up on you know, Hulu or HBO Max
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, and I saw all the seasons
Speaker 1: and I was like, god, twenty three episodes, like.
Speaker 3: There was so much to fill and it was.
Speaker 6: It made me kind of nostalgic for that time in
Speaker 6: a way.
Speaker 1: Where you had more room to breathe and kind of
Speaker 1: really dive in deep with characters. Now sometimes that resulted
Speaker 1: in episodes that were more filler episodes, but it was nice.
Speaker 1: It just made me a little bit nostalgic for that
Speaker 1: time where you really had time to sit and get
Speaker 1: invested in characters. And nowadays you get six seven episodes,
Speaker 1: and yes, each episode is jam packed with stuff and
Speaker 1: it keeps you sort of glued to it, but you
Speaker 1: just don't get that time to really sit with the.
Speaker 6: Characters as much.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's all different now. You know that twine
Speaker 1: it's a different it's a different rhythm now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's totally different. I just did you know, I
Speaker 5: just did those two movies on the East Coast when
Speaker 5: I went and worked with with the guys who did
Speaker 5: The Irishman, you know, yeah, yeah, and that was it
Speaker 5: was so different. It was like the industry has changed
Speaker 5: so much, so much, so different. I was like, wow,
Speaker 5: Like it was like shall shocking, how much like super
Speaker 5: shell shocking? How much has changed. So it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 5: but I get it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but I did miss that, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: it made me think back to when you used to
Speaker 1: have to wait a whole week in between shows, right,
Speaker 1: and so that's why that coda had to be so good.
Speaker 1: It was because you had to get people hooked and
Speaker 1: wait another six days to come back and find out
Speaker 1: what happened, you know.
Speaker 5: So I just ad it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our show's undefeated when it comes to music, so good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you guys find it odd that Julian didn't have
Speaker 3: a single friend from back home that he could.
Speaker 1: Have called you're overthinking it, Rob, You're overthinking it.
Speaker 3: Well, and apparently a behind the scenes thing was our
Speaker 3: boss did not want to have a bunch of like
Speaker 3: hot hot friends like show up, which is a whole
Speaker 3: other weird thing. But yeah, poor Julian, you know, he's
Speaker 3: trying in earnest. Alex kind of kind of bones him
Speaker 3: by cheating and rigging the game so that he wins
Speaker 3: because everyone leaves super pissed at him, which is why
Speaker 3: he's literally left with a mannequin as his best Man's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the one liners that were flying at that
Speaker 1: table where it got brutal and it was it was
Speaker 1: again the unexpected. You know, they did a great job
Speaker 1: of setting it up as like, oh, it's going to
Speaker 1: be this fun boys night and then it all just
Speaker 1: goes awry. But but I loved again that they brought
Speaker 1: Junk and Fergiando all of that. You know, two characters
Speaker 1: that are criminally underused, and then you know, suddenly they're
Speaker 1: trading barbs with Janna, And yeah, as far as the
Speaker 1: Austin and the best man thing of it all.
Speaker 3: I mean it just yeah, who ends up being his
Speaker 3: best man?
Speaker 4: Does he?
Speaker 3: I think? Is it Jamie. Ah, that would be great,
Speaker 3: that would be great.
Speaker 5: I think it was. Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3: I don't recall, but I just after seeing that I
Speaker 3: didn't remember it being one of us, and after seeing
Speaker 3: how terrible went tonight, it would make sense that it's Jamie,
Speaker 3: which would also be so incredibly endearing.
Speaker 1: I did love the through line of Jamie found a
Speaker 1: frog throughout the episode.
Speaker 3: That was great. That was so funny. That's one of
Speaker 3: my favorite runners that Clay is. Clay is talking to
Speaker 3: Nathan at his house and he goes, hey, I got
Speaker 3: an interesting call last night, and Nathan goes, yes, sorry,
Speaker 3: Jamie's been calling everyone about the about the frog that
Speaker 3: he found. And Clay's like, no, Jamie found a frog.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. And I was like, yes, that's a perfect
Speaker 3: moment of seeing like a grown dude just like he's
Speaker 3: still a little boy. Yeah, he found a frog. That's incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, and also now, like you know, going back and
Speaker 1: watching this as a dad now right at this stage
Speaker 1: of my life, Like it's funny because now as a dad,
Speaker 1: I identify with it so much more. And it's like
Speaker 1: when our kids do something anything that we find funny,
Speaker 1: Like we tell our friends about it and other Like
Speaker 1: if you were just dropping in on that conversation from no,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, a kid found a frog, But
Speaker 1: like when you're talking to your friends about your kids,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we found a frog, Like you're rooting
Speaker 1: for them and you're you're in that stage of life.
Speaker 1: And so to see that kind of evolution of these
Speaker 1: characters who we started with in high school and now
Speaker 1: their parents, and to be watching it now as a
Speaker 1: real parent myself, like I just approached this from a
Speaker 1: whole new lens. That made this show that much more interesting.
Speaker 1: And I will say too, like I loved at the
Speaker 1: end when Nathan and Hayley are in bed yes and
Speaker 1: crash and they're like you picked up Jamie right and
Speaker 1: they're like nope and got up, and like I really
Speaker 1: I was just I really laid into that so much more,
Speaker 1: Whereas I think at the time when we filmed it,
Speaker 1: I was like, gosh, it's their parents. That's so you know,
Speaker 1: I just wasn't at that stage in my life.
Speaker 3: Twan you were you you're old.
Speaker 5: Yeah I was deady I was dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah you knew all about it. But it's the truth.
Speaker 3: It's like parenting. It's you know, it's for trash Can's
Speaker 3: three lids, so it's like you never really have all
Speaker 3: of it taken care of. And so I love that.
Speaker 3: They're also like victory lapping themselves, where she's like, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I may have found a new client, and it's like
Speaker 3: I signed a new client. We're incredible. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: we forgot to pick up our only child. It's that perfect,
Speaker 3: that perfect turn.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the poker game was wild. Obviously, Nathan's mad
Speaker 3: at Clay rightfully, So I don't know why Clay would
Speaker 3: bury the lead and not tell him till the end
Speaker 3: of the night.
Speaker 6: I couldn't figure that out either.
Speaker 1: I was like, so he must have known that it
Speaker 1: was okay, right, And then in the like I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure and I was talking to Andrew about that,
Speaker 1: and they were like, he must have known, so why
Speaker 1: did he wait.
Speaker 3: That I didn't get because Clay, if and if anything,
Speaker 3: maybe I maybe I could have played it differently because
Speaker 3: it almost looks like some of the looks I'm giving
Speaker 3: him are a little contentious back like I couldn't. So
Speaker 3: that's why when I I had when Clay has good
Speaker 3: news f him, I was like, why wouldn't you have
Speaker 3: led with that? Your buddy was obviously genuinely upset, and
Speaker 3: that's a huge piece of great news. But I was
Speaker 3: also surprised by, uh the reveal that Alex had actually
Speaker 3: slept with Clay because we never saw that on camera.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was. I was shocked about that too. I
Speaker 5: was shocked. I was like, because what I caught it
Speaker 5: when she said, oh, why would you want to leave
Speaker 5: when you could see the ocean from your bed?
Speaker 1: And I was, Yeah, the looks that went around the table,
Speaker 1: somebody did something.
Speaker 3: And I loved the junken Fergie throwing the the Lauren
Speaker 3: barb at both of you guys, just throwing the awkward
Speaker 3: bomb in the middle of the table and watching you
Speaker 3: guys just have to deal with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your character has some had some what he didn't like,
Speaker 5: you didn't like skills and he didn't like forty two.
Speaker 5: He was like, oh yeah, he got four two. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So one more one more fun fact from Harrow.
Speaker 1: He said, the conversation about the naming of the agency
Speaker 1: Adobe and forty two, that actually was a real conversation
Speaker 1: that happened in the writer's room when they were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what to name the agency. So that
Speaker 1: was literally verbatim he said, almost a real conversation that
Speaker 1: happened between several writers and then they just decided to
Speaker 1: put it in uh the episode.
Speaker 3: See, that's fascinating to me because I got to say
Speaker 3: when she said that, I thought, that's actually genius, Like
Speaker 3: because fortitude. The inception inception of that was actually the
Speaker 3: first time Dan Scott drowns Clay at the beach and
Speaker 3: he's like you, you're responsible for your own life. You're
Speaker 3: the one who has to like fix it, and he says,
Speaker 3: you got to have fortitude, and then it's like that
Speaker 3: that's sort of the inception of it.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: But I love that that was a real because it
Speaker 1: did sound so like real and conversational in it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a real thought, you know, like debate we
Speaker 1: were having about how to do it.
Speaker 3: So I love that. Yeah, buddy, nice peak behind the curtain. Norris.
Speaker 3: All right, before we do wrap this up, I need
Speaker 3: to get honorable mentions from you guys. This can be
Speaker 3: a line, a moment, anything from the episode that stood
Speaker 3: out to you that you really liked.
Speaker 5: Okay, I liked the part when he said I think
Speaker 5: Lucas needs a bath, but I was still wondering who
Speaker 5: the hell was gonna give him the bath? Was it
Speaker 5: me or you Lee? Who was to give Lucas de bath?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 3: The way you played it, I thought you were saying
Speaker 3: it was had to be mouth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought. I was like, Okay, well
Speaker 5: Lucas needs a bath, and he's like, uh nah, So
Speaker 5: I didn't know who the hell was supposed to give
Speaker 5: him a bath.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honorable mention goes to my friend Vaughn aka Fergie.
Speaker 1: He got to talk about his nickname and explain that
Speaker 1: his real name is Ferguson.
Speaker 3: So shout out to Vaughan.
Speaker 1: Shout out also to Colin Moss are intrepid junk who
Speaker 1: was explains his name his nickname was from his parents
Speaker 1: owned a junkyard. So, you know, these are characters that
Speaker 1: have been around since the pilot, and they were faithful
Speaker 1: actors and friends to us and showed up, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever they were called, and they didn't always get as
Speaker 1: much of the love as the rest of us got,
Speaker 1: and so I just was so happy to see those
Speaker 1: guys and get to hear more about their characters, and
Speaker 1: you know, they're both such great guys and I just loved,
Speaker 1: love that that moment for them.
Speaker 6: So they're they're my honorable mention.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, those guys are great. I've got a
Speaker 3: three way honorable mention. Chad Michael Manniquin would be my first.
Speaker 3: That that name is so freaking funny. I'm so glad
Speaker 3: that that you you knew that. And then there was
Speaker 3: two one liners that were so so good. One was
Speaker 3: it's when Alex goes to trick and she sees Chase
Speaker 3: and Mia talking and she says, excuse me, bar manager,
Speaker 3: when they're done helping that little boy, can I get
Speaker 3: a drink? That cracks me up? And then shortly thereafter,
Speaker 3: when Alex is trying to get Julian's trying, she's helping
Speaker 3: him organize the card Night's He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's late, it's last minute, and she says, just organize
Speaker 3: it and say it's for Clay, who turned that guy
Speaker 3: down he almost died, and he goes in Austin's perfect way,
Speaker 3: so sincerely, he goes, that's you're really good at trapping people.
Speaker 3: Get what a compliment?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 3: Our listener question this actually dovetails perfectly into it. Karina
Speaker 3: asks who do you think is a better match for Chase,
Speaker 3: Alex or Mia? Do either of you remember enough to
Speaker 3: even answer?
Speaker 5: Oh No, I don't remember. They love story like Dick.
Speaker 5: You know, I knew how I went, you know, I
Speaker 5: was busy doing my own thing, trying to trying to
Speaker 5: figure out my love life on the show, because and
Speaker 5: I was all over the place, I was scattered.
Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to say that Mia
Speaker 1: and Chase, for me, I think felt like a natural fit.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like actually seeing it play out,
Speaker 1: like you know, Alex is just so entertaining and fun
Speaker 1: that that kind of banter between them two was always
Speaker 1: so great. So it's a win win for me either way,
Speaker 1: because either I'm getting to watch like this great Alex
Speaker 1: Chase manter, but then also I think from a real
Speaker 1: life point of view, Mia feels like a better fit
Speaker 1: for him. What do you think, Rob, what's your what's
Speaker 1: your take on that? We need COLLETTI to hear to
Speaker 1: here to do a deep dive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the question is who do we think
Speaker 3: is a better So I would say better match is Mia?
Speaker 3: More interesting to watch is Alex? Because she is like
Speaker 3: a firecracker. You just don't know what's gonna happen next.
Speaker 3: I mean it's super high high, super low.
Speaker 1: Lows exactly, So better for him, Mia, better for us.
Speaker 1: Alex solved, Yes, agreed.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say I'm I'm sad that Sof and
Speaker 3: Joy couldn't be here to hang with you guys, but selfishly,
Speaker 3: I loved getting to have you all to myself. I've
Speaker 3: said before on this podcast that if there was one
Speaker 3: job I could go back and do over again, it
Speaker 3: would be this one. And a large reason for that
Speaker 3: is because I felt like I didn't really get to
Speaker 3: know so many of you guys while we were doing it,
Speaker 3: And it's not until we kind of all grew up
Speaker 3: and started doing these conventions and seeing each other that
Speaker 3: I've like discovered how awesome you are and like you
Speaker 3: Both of you like are big examples of that where
Speaker 3: it's like I just sort of knew you when we
Speaker 3: were doing it, but now I'm like, oh, like every
Speaker 3: time I see you guys at a convention, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to give you hug because you're just
Speaker 3: you're such great guys and you're good friends and I
Speaker 3: really I got a lot of love for you, and
Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the time out of your day
Speaker 3: to come and uh and join me in the drama dojo.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it's nothing.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you having me so does that same. I
Speaker 5: saw the request, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm dead,
Speaker 5: what's good? What time? At eight thirty? That was usually
Speaker 5: my gym time. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: I'll do it at ten thirty. I'll just sleep in
Speaker 5: the day and.
Speaker 3: And thank you Buddy and Robi.
Speaker 1: You know, I know I told you this when you
Speaker 1: when you joined the Queens, But you're doing a great job,
Speaker 1: and you're you're repping for us guys, and you're bringing
Speaker 1: a great perspective to it. So thanks for you know,
Speaker 1: being a voice for us and for having us on
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see you both, hopefully soon
Speaker 1: at one of these you know reunions that we're doing somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, March and June, there's some, so hopefully I'll see
Speaker 3: you guys there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To to lease credit, this is what eventually is. After
Speaker 3: my first episode aired, Lee sent me a text out
Speaker 3: of the blue, and we text each other about a
Speaker 3: little bitiness every several years just to say yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we got our dad hands full, just to say like, hey, buddy,
Speaker 3: that was great. You did a good job. And much
Speaker 3: like when I started on One Tree Hill and I
Speaker 3: was the new kid on an already successful thing that
Speaker 3: can be stressful and worrisome, and getting that message from
Speaker 3: you man was being so kind. It meant so much
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 6: Well, tell the girls we miss him and we love them.
Speaker 3: And we'll see you all very soon. Yes, sounds like
Speaker 3: a planned boys next episode we have season eight, Episode eight,
Speaker 3: Mouthful of Diamonds. Thanks for joining us, gang, have a
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for listening.
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