1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: It may be the best headline we've seen in about 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: a week. Ukraine and Russia CeaseFire's talks have actually started. Now. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: This could be a waste of time, or it actually 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: could be something that we could be excited and proud of. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine began their talks at the Belarus border 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: as the conflict between the two neighbors enters its fifth 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: day of war. The Ukrainian president to adviser told Reuters 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: via techs the face to face exchanges have begun the 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Ukrainian President's office. At earlier the talk's aim was an 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine. President 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Zelenski said sixteen Ukrainian children now have been killed in 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: another forty five have been injured in the Russian invasion. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: He also added that over four thousand, five hundred Russian 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: troops have been killed and urged Putin's troops to lay 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: down their guns and leave. He also added in a 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: video message that every crime, every shelling by the occupiers 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: referring to Russia, bring our partners and us even closer. 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: The Ukrainian delegation was the first to arrive for the 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: talks with Russia, saying they were unclear whether they'll lead 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: to any breakthrough. Now, the UN Security Council has also 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: voted to hold a rare emergency special session of the 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: General Assembly to debate the crisis engulf in Ukraine after 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: Russia's invasion. That meeting is set to begin in the 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: UN headquarters Monday after noon and could go on for days. 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: Now the UN and I want to move to more 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: context on that story. The UN is going to address 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: this crisis in their General Assembly, and this is the 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: UN Security Councils vote to hold a rare emergency special session. 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Any resolution agreed at the General Assemblie will be non binding, 30 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: which tells you kind of how worthless the UN really is. However, 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: the US is looking to build on the one hundred 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: now countries that have voted to condemn Russia over its 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: annexation of Crimea in twenty fourteen. Now there are one 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: hundred ninety three members of the global UN body and 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: they will be given the chance to speak. Now, you 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: got to think, and let's go back to what happened 37 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: in Crimea twenty fourteen. One hundred countries back then voted 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: to condemn Russia, which is barely over fifty percent. With 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: one hundred ninety three members of the global body, they'll 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: now all be given a chance to speak. You've got 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: to assume they're going to get well over one hundred 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: people saying this is wrong now. Any that choose to 43 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: do so will defy. Russia after it voted against the 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: resolution in the UN Security Council, but under UN regulations 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: it did not have veto power to rail the referral 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: of the war to the General Assembly, remember, and the 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Security Council, where again Russia is a member, they have 48 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: veto power and of course a vetoed than being censored 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: or sanctioned or anything negative towards them coming from the UN. 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: The procedure is allowed under UN Resolution nineteen fifty called 51 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Uniting for Peace and echoes growing international calls elsewhere for 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: action to be taken sooner not later against Russia's unprovoked aggression. 53 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: It also allows for members of the Security Council to 54 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: take over the General Assembly for a special session if 55 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the five permanent members which include Russia to the US, Britain, 56 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: France and China, failed to agree among themselves to act 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: together to maintain peace. It will just be the eleventh 58 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: such session that the General Assembly has ever held like this, 59 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: according to diplomats, Now, this day's long diplomatic exchange is 60 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: expected to highlight the extent of Russian isolation in the 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: international community over their deadly invasion of their neighbor. The 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Council members who supported this resolution recognize that this is 63 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: no ordinary moment. That's what the US ambassador said at 64 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: a press briefing earlier. Quote. These are issues that affect 65 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: all member states, and now in the General Assembly they 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: can all make their voices heard on Russia's war of choice. Now, 67 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: this is going to happen for at least a day, 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: this conversation, and this will be happening as Ukraine and 69 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: Russia are meeting. It will also happen as the fighting 70 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: continues across the number of fronts and the human cost 71 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: of Russia's aggression is exposed. Now, the session comes after 72 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: last week's United Nations Security Council meeting, where Ukraine made 73 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: an ambitious effort to have Russia ejected from the UN 74 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: entirely on that occasion and argued that Vladimir Putin's government 75 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: did not legally acquire the seat formerly held by the 76 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Soviet Union, which is a very interesting and a smart move. 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Now there's another thing that's happened, and that is that 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin has become isolated. In fact, in many ways, 79 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: it's been isolated forever, and some are now even talking 80 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: about the prospect of a coup. I want you to 81 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: hear a conversation by the former Russian ambassador from the 82 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: US who is speaking with Joe Scarborough. Now, I want 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: you to understand, this is MSNBC. I'm gonna play for you. 84 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: And if MSNBC is reporting it and talking about this way, 85 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: then imagine how bad it actually could be for Vladimir 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Putin right now in Russia. Take a listen now. It 87 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: is frightening this t ambassador. I know that we are 88 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: looking through a glass starically and can't really see what's 89 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: happening on the other side. A lot of Americans, a 90 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: lot of people across the West, wondering what happens when 91 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: oligarchs are angered enough, insiders are deeply disturbed. We're hearing 92 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: reports repeatedly that the Russian middle class, Russians are scared 93 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: and horrified by what's going on here. We used to 94 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: be able to talk about the Pollit Bureau and try 95 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: to make our best guests about the Masha nations inside 96 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Pollit Bureau? What give us, give us your 97 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: best guess about what happens inside. Is there any check 98 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 1: to Vladimir Putin? And at what point when the pain 99 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: becomes tough enough for oligarchs, for the Russian middle class, 100 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: for the Russian military, at what point do they move 101 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: on him and try to get him to stop this 102 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: war or removing from power. It's the number one question. 103 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: Obviously I don't have a clear answer, but I can 104 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: tell you that in the last you know, seven days, 105 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: because I talked to Russians every single day, I talked 106 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: to Ukrainians every single day, just corresponding with one you know, 107 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: right before we got on here, who's close to mister Zelenski, 108 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: about just how they are standing firm and the fact 109 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: that he's standing firms. Zelenski's not leaving Kiev. Is driving 110 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: Putin nuts because the whole world is talking about his 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: heroism and the whole world is talking about how evil 112 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is. But to your question, Joe, he doesn't 113 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: have people around him that he listens to. He's been 114 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: isolated forever. He was isolated when I was ambassador eight 115 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: years ago. He would listen to anybody. He sat out 116 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: at his compound outside of town, rarely came to work, 117 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: does not have a feel for his own country. And 118 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: that was all okay as long as everybody's making money, 119 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: sending their kids abroad, you know, tracking down on the opposition, 120 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: everybody was fine. But now it's that that elite, that 121 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: the elite that has benefited from Putin's regime that has 122 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: now turned on him because they never thought that he 123 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: was going to do this, right, They never thought he 124 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: would be so crazy as to do this kind of attack. 125 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: And they are all in shock, by the way, not 126 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: without reason. A lot of Ukrainians, a lot of Americans 127 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: didn't think he would you do this, and so they 128 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: that is happening now. But the problem is they do 129 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: not have mechanisms to turn their discontent into stopping him. 130 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: But I can tell you there are people now, you know, 131 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: just discussing that talk about for the first time ever 132 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: since Putin's been in power for twenty two years, that 133 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: maybe we need, you know, hopefully they'll be a coup, 134 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully they'll stop him before it's too late. I'm not 135 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: predicting that. I want to be crystal clear about that 136 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: if I think that's a very low probability event, but 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: the fact that it's being discussed that is something new. 138 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: He's lost this country, including the people that are closest 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: to him. Now. There's something there that he mentioned that 140 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: I think is a really important point that we need 141 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: to expand on. And he talked about how those around 142 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin are not happy with him directly what he's 143 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: talking about when he said that, and this is I 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: think the real point that people need to understand is 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: that the oligarchs that are rich, the oligarchs that are 146 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: around him, those are the ones that are the most 147 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: upset right now. Those are the ones that are the 148 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: most angry right now. And the reason why they're angry 149 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: it really does make good sense. They're losing money, the 150 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: crashing of the markets, the crashing of the ruble, the 151 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: crashing of what they're invested in, and there are a 152 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: lot of things that they're invested in, and they are 153 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: absolutely those things are crashing, and that's what this is about. 154 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: This is about that crash. They've lost maybe fifty percent 155 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: of their wealth overnight because of something that Vladimir Putin 156 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: is doing. That's isolating Russia, hurting the Russian people. You 157 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: can't get money out of the banks in Russia right now. 158 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: There's been a run on the bank and outside of 159 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: oil and gas exports, they got to import pretty much 160 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: everything they need in Russia. And your buying power just 161 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: dropped by half. So if you had a million dollars 162 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: in buying power a week ago, you have half of 163 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: that right now. If you're an oligarch right now, you're angry, 164 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: even if you're one of Putin's people that got rich 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: because of him, and you're sitting there going why are 166 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: we doing this, Vladimir, What is the point of doing this? 167 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: You're costing all of us money. Our assets are being 168 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: frozen around the world, Our banking is being frozen. We 169 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: can't do business, even if it's corrupt business anywhere in 170 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the world right now, because you have completely isolated us. 171 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: There's another part of this with these oligarchs that I 172 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: think is shocking, and that is that it's very clear 173 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: if Vladimir Putin did not think about any of this 174 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: before he did it, or if he did, he just 175 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: didn't care. And that has now brought up even conversations 176 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: and questions about could there be a co attempt on 177 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin? The people are angry, the oligarchs are angry. Financially, 178 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: they're insignificant trouble now in Russia. The world is isolating 179 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: them in condemning them even more than they were before, 180 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: which is another part of this that everybody has to 181 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: look at. And if you combine all this, if you 182 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: look at all of what I just described, this is 183 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: not good news for Vladimir Putin. Now he could argue, 184 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm Vladimir Putin. I kill people right, 185 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: you get in my way, you say anything, I'll end you. 186 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: Does he have that power? Still, there's a very good 187 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: chance that, yes, he does have that power. He very 188 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: well could have the power to continue to do this 189 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine and to double down and to try 190 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: to have another even you could argue a surge. There's 191 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: a very good chance that that can happen. But the 192 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: oligarchs are up because they're losing everything. And if you 193 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: think about if you've lost the people and you've lost 194 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: the rich that we're gaining by you being in charge, 195 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: there's not many people left around you, and the military 196 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: is getting beat and a lot of these skirmishes right now, 197 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: so that either they maybe they don't have the willpower 198 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: that they thought they had, maybe they realize how dumb 199 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: this is, or maybe they have so many connections with 200 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: the people in Ukraine that they don't really want to 201 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: go in and kill all of them the way that 202 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is warning them. Two. It's a very complicated situation. 203 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: But let's go back to the isolation for a moment. 204 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: Listen to the former ambassador Michael McFall and talking about 205 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: these oligarchs through the years to be very skeptical of 206 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: news reports that come out of the fog of war, 207 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: predictions on how one side is doing, how another side's doing. 208 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: It seemed to be particularly difficult in this case. But 209 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: did we not get a better understanding of just how 210 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: badly things were going for Russian troops when Vladimir Putin 211 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: started talking about nuclear preparedness yesterday morning? Exactly exactly. He's 212 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: not saying that if he's winning the war, right, I've 213 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: seen him when he's winning wars. He's a very snug guy. 214 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: You know, he sits with his legs all spread out, 215 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, you know how he talks, right, 216 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: You're not seeing that putin right now, you would not 217 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: be he would not be saying those things if the 218 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: war wasn't going badly. The other part of that, however, 219 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: is that he's moving on I think, to Plan B 220 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: right now. He thought Shakanaw he was going to attack cities, 221 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians were gonna fold, Zelenski was going to run 222 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: to Poland and he would put some of you know, 223 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: puppet in. That's not happening. And what I fear happening, 224 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: especially watching things on the ground in Kharkiv, is he's 225 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: moved to an old Russian his old strategy that he's 226 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: used in cities like a leppo throughout shits, Yeah, which 227 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: is much more civilian casualties to try to turn things around. 228 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Hearing from people from Kharkie, you know, just eight hours 229 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: ago they said they're going to fight to the end. 230 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: But I think he's pivoted to that and the other 231 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: thing I want to say, Joe, part of the reason 232 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: it's gone so bad as he's misjudged his own military. 233 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: I just listened to I don't know four dozen interviews 234 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: with Russians last night who were captured in Ukraine, and 235 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: they're asked, you know, why are you fighting? They can't 236 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: answer that question. The Ukrainians put them on with their 237 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: moms right on the phone and they say, tell your mom, 238 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: why are you here? Why are you here? And they say, 239 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know why. And I think we've undersked what Putin, 240 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: I think is underestimated that. I think maybe the world 241 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: is right. Is one thing to have capabilities, but you 242 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: have to have the will to fight. And that fifty 243 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: eight minute rambling speech that Putin gave I probably was 244 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the only one that listened to the end right is 245 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: I don't think many Russians did. He could not explain 246 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: what this war is about. And I think that affects 247 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: the morale of the Russians that he sent into Ukraine, 248 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: and that he's calling on the Belarussians to help him out. 249 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: That's another sign of desperation. That's another sign this war 250 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: is not going according to Plant. One of the other 251 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: things that's happening here is they are going after civilians, 252 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and they're going after apartment buildings and bombing and hitting 253 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: with missiles these places, and that is only making the 254 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: people in the Ukraine fight back even harder. They're not running, 255 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: the women and children are vacuating. The men are staying. 256 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: The men are staying, and they're saying, I'm not backing down. 257 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: They're saying, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not, I'm not. 258 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere. Voker also talked about something else 259 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: happening in Russia. Talked about the internally around Vladimir Putin. 260 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: Things right now he believes are starting to crack. Take 261 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: a listen, they could develop. So I think they're going 262 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: to try to keep the targets, but they've got to 263 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: get off the Russian spots. Well. Last one, if I 264 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: may miss from Basta, what happens to world opinion if 265 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: indeed the Russians do intend to demolish pots of Kiev 266 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: to take it. World opinion has been remarkable. Also, everyone 267 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: has come around now to see Putin the for the 268 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: brutal dictator and aggressor that he is, and to support Ukraine. 269 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: I think the Ukrainians have a good chance of surviving here. 270 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: I think they may actually hold off the Russians, and 271 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: I think this will be ultimately the end of Putin. 272 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't think the world will tolerate leading Russia anymore. 273 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: Who's going to take him down? Hopefully, internally, the military 274 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: and the intelligence services. I think they see that the 275 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: only threat to Russia today is Putin's leadership. Do you 276 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: question his sanity? I think so, to be honest, to 277 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: be going after civilian populations this way, waging a war 278 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: out straight out of the nineteenth century, and then threatening 279 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: nuclear use, this is These are the actions of a madman. 280 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: That's dramatic stuffness. Rumbassada. We're very glad to have you 281 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: on the show with those opinions. We appreciate it. Cult 282 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: vulgar there. Hopefully internally the military and the intelligence services 283 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: will take Putin down. Now, this is a conversation we 284 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: never could have imagined when this all started. But again 285 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: we go back to what these are. Two former vassadors 286 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: are now saying, one, since Putin has been isolated forever, 287 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: hopefully there will be a coup. Another ambassador says, hopefully 288 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: internally the military and the intelligence service will take Puttin down. 289 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: These are again two conversations we've never had before. Two 290 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: things that you know not part of this. And then 291 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: there's just the pure will of the Ukrainian people. The 292 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: Ukrainian people, despite Russia's overwhelming firepower, they were not able 293 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: to pass into many areas that they tried to get into. 294 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: Why is that because they're not leaving their homes and 295 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: they realize that they would rather die fighting for their 296 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: freedoms than live under the dictatorship under the rule of 297 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: Russia and Vladimir Putin because they've experienced it before, they've 298 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: experienced what it's like to live under Russian occupation, under 299 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: Russian rule, and they and they're like, we're not going 300 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: to leave and start all over it. This is our home. 301 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: We are going to defend it. What an amazing story. 302 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin thought he could go in there, shock and 303 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: all Ukraine and just flat out beat them. He has 304 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: more planes, he has more tanks, he has a bigger military, 305 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: but an entire country is now sitting up for themselves. 306 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: You know, there's a viral story and I don't even 307 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: know if it's true or not. I don't care, it's 308 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: the principle of the matter. There was a posting of 309 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: an eighty year old man who showed up to join 310 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military. We believe the picture to be true 311 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: at this point, but there's a lot of pictures that 312 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: have been used that aren't even connected to Ukraine, right 313 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: now and what's happening right now. And that's why I say, 314 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, it's the principle of what 315 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: we're witnessing in the Ukraine. And this picture shows a 316 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: forty old man showed up to join the Ukrainian Army, 317 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: carrying with him a small case with two t shirts, 318 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: a pair of extra pants, a toothbrush, and a few 319 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: sounches for lunch. He said he was doing it for 320 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: his grandkids. There are grandmothers who are doing it. They're saying, 321 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: I'm okay to die. I've lived a full life. This 322 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: eighty year olds like, I'm okay, I'm doing this for 323 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: my grandkids because my grandkids are not going literally over 324 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: my dead body. Are they going to grow up under 325 00:19:55,320 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin's rule. I'm eighty years old. This is what 326 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: many of the grandmothers. Same thing with the grandmothers, right, 327 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: These grandmothers are the same behind. It's like that they're 328 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: they're basically saying, I'm okay with my life being over. 329 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: I've lived a great life. I am going to do 330 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: this for my grandkids and for my kids, and I'm 331 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: going to make sure that my kids and my grandkids 332 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: do not grow up under Vladimir Putin's rule and if 333 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: my life ends at the age of eighty or seventy 334 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: or sixty. Look at Zalinski. The world is totally shocked 335 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: that Americas said, you know, hey, will send a plane 336 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: get you out, and say no, no no, no, no no. 337 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't need to just send a plane to get 338 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: me out. I need just in a plane with munitions, 339 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: with AMMO. I need you to send a plane with 340 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: the things I need to be able to fight for 341 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: my country. I'm not asking you to send troops. All 342 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm asking you to do is send supplies. Don't send 343 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: an airplane to get me to safety. I will die 344 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: in my country defending it, for my kids, for my grandkids, 345 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: for the future of people in this nation. So don't 346 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: send me a plane empty for me to sit on 347 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: and leave. I'm not leaving. I'm willing to die. Look 348 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: at the former president of Ukraine, same exact thing. I'm 349 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: not leaving, not going to be captured either. I'm going 350 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: to fight to the death to defend this country and 351 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: defend our freedoms. It is inspiring, but it's also sad. 352 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: It is sad in Ukraine. I think the people there 353 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: understand how valuable freedom is, and we take it for 354 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: granted in this country. And look at all the freedoms 355 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: that we've given up just under COVID. For goodness sakes, 356 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: these people are dying for the freedoms that we've just 357 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: handed over left and right for the last two years. 358 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: It is a stark reminder of a compare and contrast. 359 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: So just how different and how lazy we are in 360 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: this country, and how we don't understand what's happening with 361 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: our freedoms. Many don't, I should say, what's happened under 362 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: just COVID. We're handing over our freedoms left and right, 363 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: and these people are dying for theirs. Even as these 364 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: peace talks are underway, we are now seeing a video 365 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: coming out that the war is still raging on. Ukraine's 366 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: second largest city is being bombarded with shelling during the 367 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: peace talks. It looks like Vladimir Putin during these peace talks, 368 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: is trying to make sure that they understand why they're 369 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: at that table, that we can just kill you from 370 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: the air, bomb you from the air, and obviously they 371 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: are trying to move this in a new direction. We 372 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: also know that Vladimir Putin is also talking about nuclear war, 373 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: nuclear explosions, And we just got word that BP has 374 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: just exited a fourteen billion dollars state in a Russian 375 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: oil giant, rush Neft. Now they can buy back in 376 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: at any point, I want to be clear about that. 377 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: But we are just getting this breaking news that British 378 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: oil company BP is pulling its fourteen billion dollars steak 379 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: from Russian oil giant rush Neft. This according to the 380 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Washington Posts, it's one of the most significant Western investments 381 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: in Russia ever in its history. Russia's attack on Ukraine 382 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: is an act of aggression which is having tragic consequences 383 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: across the region. The head of BP set in a statement. 384 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: BP has operated in Russia for over thirty years, working 385 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: with brilliant Russian colleagues. However, the military action represents a 386 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: fundamental change. It has led the BP board to conclude, 387 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: after a thorough process, that our investment with rush Neev, 388 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: a state owned enterprise, simply cannot continue. The BP move 389 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: is one It is one more sign that Western public 390 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: opinion is swiftly moving against Russian President Vladimir Putin's unjustified 391 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine. Sovereign nation that gave up its nukes 392 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine four in exchange for the Russian government 393 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: security guarantee. A lot of people forget that in nineteen 394 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: ninety four, Ukraine was a nuclear power. They gave up 395 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: those nuclear weapons in nineteen ninety four, in those Kumbaya 396 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: years of Bill Clinton in exchange for the Russian government 397 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: security guarantee. That did not happen, as we now know. 398 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: You want to know why places like Ukraine should never 399 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: give up their nuclear weapons, This is exactly why. And 400 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: they did it in ninety four in exchange for the 401 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: Russian government security guarantee. And Bill Clinton was involved in that. 402 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: How did that work out? Not very well? In ways 403 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: large and small, from consumers to companies to governments, the 404 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: West is growing more determined by the day to take 405 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: a bite out of Russia's economic might, military aggression, with 406 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: a mixture of sanctions, boycotts, and even the denial of airspace. 407 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: More from this breaking news from the Washington Post. The 408 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: world's biggest computer chip companies have started halting sales to 409 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: Russia of vital electronic components to comply with the US 410 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: led sanctions, and the European Union is banning Russian flights 411 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: from its airspace, forcing Russian airline Aero Float Aeroflot excuse 412 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: me to cancel the majority of their international flights. Now, 413 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: hours after VP's announcement, Norway's state controlled oil companies set 414 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: It too, is quitting its investment in Russia, a group 415 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: of joint ventures is valued at one point two billion, 416 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: saying this, we are deeply troubled by the invasion of Ukraine, 417 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: which represents a terrible setback for the world, So the 418 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: president chief executive said in a statement quote in the 419 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: current situation, we regard our position as unattainable, saying that 420 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: the company will begin exiting our joint ventures in a 421 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: manner that is consistent with our values. So two very 422 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: significant moves that have just happened again, BP now exiting 423 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: their fourteen billion dollars stake in the Russian oil giant 424 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: owned by Russia. Now we're also being told that despite 425 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: Russia's overwhelming firepower, even as they're bombing cities as we speak, 426 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: the people are standing up and I want you to 427 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: hear part of this incredible story. The bridge here hasn't 428 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: been raised for as long as they can remember, but 429 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: neither has the sleepy port town of Micliave been invaded. 430 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: The clack claque is likely exchanges with Russian paratroopers who 431 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: were told landed nearby locals struggling to keep up with 432 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: their world here collapsing and soldiers edgy. The fear here 433 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Russian saboteurs like these two suspects thrown to the ground 434 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: by soldiers. Then the sirens go off and it is 435 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: back in the basement for mothers and cats. Here the 436 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: noise of what Russia would do to these towns in 437 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: the name of subjugation and gear political gain. Police trying 438 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: to turn lights off, it seems in businesses that closed 439 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: in a hurry, life persisting caught between hoping this is 440 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: short lived and wondering if it may go on forever. 441 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: Behind it all in empty streets, the fear they may 442 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: be overrun, and whether each huge blast would be the 443 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: decisive strike that lets Putin's troop center. The shelling just 444 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: went on and on the next morning we saw where 445 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: it hit. It's likely a missile tore up these Ukrainian tanks, 446 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: but nobody left feels broken. How you feel good? Good? Good? Yeah? Yeah, 447 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: they tried to come into the town, but I see 448 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: Paia Nikolau funny. He's saying, the Russians tried to come 449 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: in last night, but the town of mikolaiav feat them 450 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: and you can see what it looks like here. Er saying, 451 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: look at look around here. I'm asking him, how do 452 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: you feel living here? Looking at all this? This is 453 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: where you live, right, He's I look at this, Look 454 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: at these windows that are blown out in spoil. Yeah. 455 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: So the words of Russian ministers who've been saying that 456 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: they're not going to hit civilian infrastructure here, he's repeating 457 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: them back to me, saying, look look at this. They 458 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: say they're not hitting civilian instructure. Look at this damage 459 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: around him. Putin's rockets may have shattered glass, but not 460 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: dented the anger here as they take stock. You have 461 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: to ask yourself why Moscow ever thought these towns would 462 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: gladly be occupied and what Russia's end goal is tempers 463 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: Frey Here, blood has been spilled, but despite Russia's overwhelming firepower, 464 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: they did not pass. You know, I think one of 465 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: the most incredible parts of this story is how all 466 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: that the Ukrainian people are asking for is the weaponry 467 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: needed to defend and protect themselves and They're clearly willing 468 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: to fight for their homes. They're not asking to be evacuated. 469 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Just like the president Zelinski has said, don't send me 470 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: a plane to get me out of here, Send me 471 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: a plane with munition, send me a plane with m O. 472 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: One of the incredible stories we heard earlier was the 473 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: story about the European Union and their foreign policy chief 474 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: has announced on Sunday that members the EU are going 475 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: to supply and I would say better late than never, 476 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: Ukrainian with actual fighter jets, with the technology they need 477 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: to go toe to toe with the Russians. The Wall 478 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: Street Journal is now putting this in and again this 479 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: is all public opinion. It's so frustrating, but at least 480 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: it's moving this way. The world is clearly saying we 481 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: stand with Ukraine and not with Russia. Clearly the world 482 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: is turning on Russia. Thank goodness, they are turning on Russia. 483 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: BP Oil and all these people have been making tons 484 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: of money off of Russia and making them rich are 485 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: now starting to realize that there's no way that you 486 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: can justify working with Russia right now. And this is 487 00:30:53,560 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: where it's obvious that Vladimir Putin totally overestimated his ability 488 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: to take over this country easily and totally overestimated his 489 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: power that the rest of the world would not respond 490 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: and the way that they are right now. But he 491 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: also thought at this point that it would be a 492 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: quick thing like we saw in Crimea, and that then 493 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: he could say, oh, I'm protecting all these people and 494 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: look at all the people that didn't die because we 495 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: took it over, and now there's law and order. Right, 496 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 1: That's what he was thinking here, that he could do 497 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: that in the rest of the world say Okay, no 498 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: one's dying right now and he's in charge, and all right, fine, 499 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: we'll move on, keep making our money. But the oligarchs 500 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: that that back him now have to be looking at 501 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: this thinging what has he done? What is happening here again? 502 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: What is happening now? Now? The White House has also 503 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: come over and said that we're not going to go 504 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: to war with the Ukraine or excuse me, with Russia. 505 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: We're not going to send our boys to fight. Listen 506 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: to what the White House Press secretary had to say 507 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: moments ago the White House military tactics here. I think 508 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: that the world has been so stunned by waking up 509 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: morning after morning to President Zelenski, who is defiant and 510 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: who reports that the Ukrainian forces are fending off Russia. 511 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Is it possible, Jen, do you think for them to 512 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: hold Russia off long enough for international forces to stop him, 513 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: or do you think it's a matter of time before 514 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: Russia overwhelms Ukraine? We still first, President Zelenski, the Ukrainian people, 515 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military. They've been incredibly courageous. They have stood 516 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: up to a one of the world's most powerful militaries 517 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: on the ground in Ukraine. But our assessment has not 518 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: changed that Russia, President Putin the military has every intention 519 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: of taking Kiev, and they're continuing to make progress. Given that, 520 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: was it a tactical error gen for the US not 521 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: to say it is possible we would send in military forces. 522 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: Should the President not have taken that off the table, 523 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: at least in terms of what he was saying, we 524 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: haven't for Taiwan, for example. Well, the President wants to 525 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: be direct, has always wanted to be direct about with 526 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: the American people about what he will do and what 527 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: he will not do. He is not sending US forces, 528 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: men and women who fight for our military into Ukraine 529 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: to fight a war with Russia. We are not going 530 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: to have a military war with Russia with US troops, 531 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: and he thinks it's vitally important and first and foremost 532 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: important to be direct with the public about that. I 533 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: want to ask you quickly about the refugee crisis, that 534 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: we want to get to the state of the Union, 535 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: but the un Let me just also, and you mentioned 536 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: you heard him mentioned the state of the Union. I'm 537 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna wrap up by saying this. The President's 538 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: State of the Union is going to be one of 539 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: the most important State of the Unions for any Democratic 540 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: Party leader in a very long time. He's going to 541 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: have to deal with what's happening in Ukraine and it failed. 542 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: Foreign policy, he's going to have to deal with an 543 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: American public that is very very frustrated right now over 544 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: inflation and very very frustrated right now not just over inflation, 545 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: but the rising price of oil and game as he's 546 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: going to have to deal with an American people that 547 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: are very frustrated and exhausted from COVID restrictions in lockdowns, 548 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: all of this while he's going to have to deal 549 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: with a foreign policy. The president has got a stay 550 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: of the union and addressed, and I'm not sure he's 551 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: going to be even capable of delivering the message the 552 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: way they needs to deliver the message. I'm talking about cognitively. 553 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: But the rest of the world is going to be 554 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 1: watching and they're gonna see how he responds, and they're 555 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna see how he responds to see how 556 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: they feel about him. And the rest of the world's 557 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: gonna look at him and they're gonna say, is he weak? 558 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: Is he incompetent, is he incoherent? And from a national 559 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: security standpoint, I do want the president to look competent. 560 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: I want Vladimir Putin to see a present that is 561 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: not incapacitated or isolated. I want him to see a 562 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: leader that at least can have conversations with the rest 563 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: of the world on these issues and that people don't 564 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: try to take advantage of us. Because there's also what's 565 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Taiwan right now. In China, they're making a decision right now, 566 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: is this their time to go in and can America 567 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: or would Americans stand up and would Americas stop them? 568 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: While they're distracted with what's happening in Ukraine, while they're 569 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: distracted with their economy. The American people are going to 570 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: be looking. And I also think judging this president, who 571 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: has the lowest approval rating of any time in his history, 572 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: lower than any point in the history of George Bush, 573 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: or any point in the history of Barack Obama, lower 574 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: than any point in the Trump administration, his approval rating 575 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: is a disaster right now in the thirties. So not 576 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: only does Joe Biden need to hit a political home 577 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: run message with the American people, he's gonna have to 578 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: hit a home run with the world. And I don't 579 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: know if he's up to it. I don't know if 580 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: he has the capacity to deliver that speech. Now, let 581 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: me go back to Ukraine. I don't think Vladimir Putin 582 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: is going to just stop overnight. I don't think these 583 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: peace talks are gonna stop everything right away. I don't 584 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: believe that he has an appetite to kind of say, okay, 585 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: let's agree to disagree and let's end this thing. Yet 586 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: I think there's going to be more bloodshed. I really do. Unfortunately, 587 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: because I think he's a psychotic man. It's gonna take 588 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: more isolation. Now. I do believe that we should stop 589 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: all imports of Russian oil. I think we should open 590 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: up that Keystone pipeline again, and I don't think the 591 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: president has a willpower to do that either, which is 592 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: a huge problem. Let me just tell you these people 593 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, I want to shake every one of their hands. 594 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: These people are brave, They're willing to die for freedom. 595 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: And in this country, what have we been doing. We've 596 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: been giving away our rights and our freedoms for the 597 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: last two years in the name of COVID. If you 598 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: want to know what to teach your kids, this is 599 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: what you talk to your kids about right now. 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