Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdict to with Senator Ted Cruz Ben
Speaker 1: Ferguson with you. Donald Trump. He announced it. I've been
Speaker 1: indicted apparently. It's a seven count indictment that has rocked
Speaker 1: the media world, and really it is shocked to the
Speaker 1: country center your reaction to this at former president being
Speaker 1: indicted for a second time now by the special counsel
Speaker 1: Jack Smith.
Speaker 2: Well, Ben, you and I are talking. It is twelve
Speaker 2: oh one am Friday morning. I was on an airplane
Speaker 2: when this indictment happened. I was flying back to the
Speaker 2: great state of Texas. So I'm in Texas now. And
Speaker 2: when I landed, I discovered what had been heavily leaked,
Speaker 2: had been heavily foreshadowed that Donald Trump was going.
Speaker 3: To be indicted today.
Speaker 2: I have to say today is a very sad day
Speaker 2: in American history. It is a shameful day in American history.
Speaker 2: It is a disgraceful day in American history. Look, our
Speaker 2: constitution is bablish as a system of justice. Where number one,
Speaker 2: we have had for forty six presidents consistently a peaceful
Speaker 2: transfer of power, with each president leaving office on January twentieth,
Speaker 2: At least in the modern times, and each new president
Speaker 2: coming in on January twentieth. We have never in over
Speaker 2: two centuries of our nation's history had a new president
Speaker 2: who launched the entire Department of Justice, the entire machinery
Speaker 2: of Justice, on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate,
Speaker 2: to indict, to try to throw in jail the former president, who,
Speaker 2: it should be noted, is also currently the leading contender
Speaker 2: on the Republican side to run against the current president.
Speaker 2: That has never happened at any point, no matter how
Speaker 2: bad the vitriol is gotten. Nobody has tried to do that.
Speaker 2: And part of the reason nobody has tried to do
Speaker 2: that is for the vast majority of the history of
Speaker 2: our country, no Department of Justice would go along with it.
Speaker 2: No attorney general would countenance being turned into a political
Speaker 2: weapon to attack your political opponent. The result of today,
Speaker 2: Merrick Garland is going to go down in disgrace as
Speaker 2: the most partisan and political attorney general in our nation's history.
Speaker 2: And Joe Biden and the Biden White House has decided
Speaker 2: to hell with democracy. By the way, today is an
Speaker 2: assault on democracy. You know, one of the things about
Speaker 2: the left, the language they use. They inevitably accuse their
Speaker 2: opponents of doing what they are doing. So right now,
Speaker 2: democrats piously frame themselves as defenders of democracy. Today is
Speaker 2: a slap in the face of democracy, because what today
Speaker 2: the Biden administration is saying is to hell with you, voters.
Speaker 2: We're worried that the voters might decide they want to
Speaker 2: re elect Donald Trump, and so we're not going to
Speaker 2: let the voters do that. We're going to bring a prosecution.
Speaker 2: And let me be clear, Look, we don't know the
Speaker 2: details of the prosecution. This indictment is still sealed, but
Speaker 2: the Biden DOJ is nothing if not political, so they
Speaker 2: leak like crazy. So we have pretty good intel on
Speaker 2: what the claims are. Now, I will say this this
Speaker 2: podcast has said for a long time, over and over again.
Speaker 2: I've been telling Verdict listeners, Merrick Garland wants to indict
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He intends to indict Donald Trump. Came into
Speaker 2: office with the plan to indict Donald Trump. I'm going
Speaker 2: to point out those predictions.
Speaker 3: We're all entirely right.
Speaker 2: I also predicted on this podcast as we discussed that,
Speaker 2: I said, look, the indictment is not just going to
Speaker 2: be for possession of classified documents. After you're out of office.
Speaker 2: That I believe had been the plan. That I believe
Speaker 2: had been what Garland wanted to do, But then he
Speaker 2: ran into an enormous political complication. It's not as much
Speaker 2: a legal complication as it is a political complication, which
Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden was discovered having done the same
Speaker 2: thing over and over and over again, that he had
Speaker 2: classified documents it seems in every house he owns, and
Speaker 2: he owns houses all over the place, including most laughably
Speaker 2: classified documents just sitting in a box at his garage
Speaker 2: next to his corvette. Suddenly Merrit Garland had a problem,
Speaker 2: which is if he indicts Trump just on the possession
Speaker 2: of classified documents after he's out of office, well, Joe
Speaker 2: Biden has done the same thing. And so what we
Speaker 2: predicted on this podcast is that Garland would indict Trump
Speaker 2: for obstruction of justice instead that he would indict Trump
Speaker 2: for lying.
Speaker 3: About the documents.
Speaker 2: That because Garland wouldn't indict Biden over it, he was
Speaker 2: not saying was a crime. Well, it turned out that
Speaker 2: prediction was mostly right, but not entirely right. So what
Speaker 2: it appears to be the case is the DOJ's indicting
Speaker 2: Trump for everything.
Speaker 3: They just threw the kitchen sink at him.
Speaker 2: So they're indicting him for apparently eighteen USC. Section seven
Speaker 2: ninety three E, which is obstructing an official proceeding, eighteen USC.
Speaker 2: Section fifteen twelve C, which is conspiracy to obstruct justice
Speaker 2: eighteen USC. Section fifteen nineteen, and also making a materrely
Speaker 2: false statement pursuing to eighteen USC. Section one thousand and one.
Speaker 2: And so they're throwing all of this. They're doing obstruction
Speaker 2: of justice, but they are also focusing on the confidential
Speaker 2: documents that are doing both. This indictment is garbage. This
Speaker 2: is a political attack. It is a political attack from
Speaker 2: a thoroughly corrupted and weaponized Department of Justice, and it's
Speaker 2: a sad day for America.
Speaker 1: I got to ask you about the timing of this,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the questions that so many
Speaker 1: people are asking, and I want to get your take.
Speaker 1: Center the very same day that the FBI agreed to
Speaker 1: allow members of the Oversight Committee to review the documents
Speaker 1: that are allegedly tying Joe Biden to a five million
Speaker 1: dollar bribery scheme with a foreign national, President Trump is
Speaker 1: informed that he's going to be indicted by the Biden
Speaker 1: Department of Justice. I don't believe that's by accident.
Speaker 3: Do you no?
Speaker 2: And let me say the hypocrisy is massive. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've seen what Biden said when asked about that, and
Speaker 2: and actually let's let let's play it right now, because
Speaker 2: I want to point out what Biden's response was when
Speaker 2: he was asked about the evidence that he was personally
Speaker 2: implicated in a five million dollar bribery scheme. I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to walk off the stage.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait.
Speaker 2: Wait issue Farmers flew and Nancy May says, there's damning.
Speaker 1: Evidence that the outfile that you sold out the country.
Speaker 2: Give response to the progression Republicans, where's the money to
Speaker 2: a bunch of momarke.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of malarkey centater we. By the way,
Speaker 1: I can't believe he said that. The comms team, I'm
Speaker 1: sure was freaking out the fact that he even asked
Speaker 1: that question. Where's the money? We know where the damn
Speaker 1: money is. We know where it is from the bank accounts,
Speaker 1: we know where it is from the suspicious activity reports.
Speaker 1: And now members of Congress have seen where the money
Speaker 1: went to all the different Biden family accounts and shell companies.
Speaker 2: Well, look, that is exactly right, But I want to
Speaker 2: step back for a minute. I want to put that
Speaker 2: exchange which played out today in context with this shameful
Speaker 2: indictment that came down today. Now, we've gone over two
Speaker 2: centuries of our nation's history without any president trying to
Speaker 2: indict his predecessor, without any president trying to indict his
Speaker 2: potential future opponent. So look, theoretically that ought to be
Speaker 2: a possibility. Should you possibly prosecute a former president, Yes,
Speaker 2: but the threshold should be incredibly high. Any rational person,
Speaker 2: anyone who respects our democratic system, anyone who respects our constitutions,
Speaker 2: should recognize that you shouldn't be prosecuting a former president
Speaker 2: for little tiki tak offenses, for little, little nonsense offenses.
Speaker 2: That the threshold should be really damn high. So what
Speaker 2: sort of things? If a president sold nuclear secrets to
Speaker 2: our enemies, I prosecute that for a president for that.
Speaker 2: If a president was Benedict Arnold and conspired with our
Speaker 2: enemies against us, i'd prosecuted for a president.
Speaker 3: Bennett Arnold wasn't a foreign president, but that's.
Speaker 2: A great historical treason. If a president was receiving bribes
Speaker 2: from foreign nations. That's the kind of thing you prosecuted
Speaker 2: for a president for.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: What's astonishing is Joe Biden right now is currently facing
Speaker 2: allegations that he was personally party to a five million
Speaker 2: dollar bribe from a foreign nation. That's a big damn deal.
Speaker 2: That's not a small little ticki tac allegation. That's the
Speaker 2: sort of thing people go to prison for decades for.
Speaker 2: And his response, the smarmy, smug response, where's the money now,
Speaker 2: Number one? Where's the money? That's something al Capone said.
Speaker 2: That's something John Dillinger, the bank robber said, you know,
Speaker 2: when they asked him, why do you rob banks? He said,
Speaker 2: that's where the money is. That's something criminals say, drug
Speaker 2: dealers say. El Choppa probably said, where's the money? You
Speaker 2: can't find the money. But as you noted, we actually
Speaker 2: know quite a bit about where the money went. We
Speaker 2: know that with respect to the Chinese, that there were
Speaker 2: millions of dollars that were paid up to twelve different
Speaker 2: Biden family members. We know that we're with respect to
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians, that Barisma, the natural gas company, paid Joe
Speaker 2: Biden's son Hunter a million dollars a year, year after
Speaker 2: year after year, eighty three thousand dollars a month. So
Speaker 2: where's the money. That's one place the money. As we
Speaker 2: also know that at least in the Chinese deals, that
Speaker 2: the deals were structured with ten percent for the big
Speaker 2: guy that would be Joe Biden, that would be the
Speaker 2: current president. That's where the money is. And then this
Speaker 2: five million dollar allegation. We don't know the details of it.
Speaker 2: Why because the FBI won't make it public. The FBI
Speaker 2: initially only showed it. Initially they said no one could
Speaker 2: see it. Then Congress threatened to hold him in contempt.
Speaker 2: Then the FBI said, we'll show it to James Comer
Speaker 2: and Jamie Raskin, the chairman and ranking member. Then they
Speaker 2: said we're not going to show it to everyone else.
Speaker 2: Then Congress said we're going to hold you in contempt again.
Speaker 2: Now where the FBI is, They said, we'll show it
Speaker 2: to every member of the committee. Now, look, they're four
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five members of the House. Unless you're
Speaker 2: on that committee, you haven't seen those documents. There are
Speaker 2: a hundred members of the Senate. I haven't seen those documents,
Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge. No member of the
Speaker 2: Senate other than I guess Chuck Grassley may have seen
Speaker 2: those documents. So there may be one senator who's seen them.
Speaker 2: If there's another, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know of it. But where we are right now
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 2: Day, there are allegations, serious allegations of the kind of
Speaker 2: things for which presidents and former presidents might reasonably be
Speaker 2: indicted and prosecuted, which is taking five million dollar bribes
Speaker 2: from four nations. Joe Biden is simultaneously mocking the allegations
Speaker 2: where's the money, because he knows that the Democrats in
Speaker 2: Congress don't want to figure out where it is. He
Speaker 2: knows that his lackeys at the Department of Justice don't
Speaker 2: want to figure out where it is, and he knows
Speaker 2: that the lap dogs in the corporate media don't want
Speaker 2: to figure out where it is. There are no Woodward
Speaker 2: and Bernstein's. They don't exist anymore. You go back and
Speaker 2: read all the president's men follow the money. If if
Speaker 2: some reporter out there had a shred of integrity, he
Speaker 2: would listen to Joe Biden saying where's the money, and
Speaker 2: he would set his mission to say, I'm going to
Speaker 2: find that money and let the American people know, and
Speaker 2: none of them want to.
Speaker 3: They don't care.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to them if Joe Biden was receiving
Speaker 2: bribes from foreign nations. Why, because it's all about power.
Speaker 2: And on that same day they indict President Trump. And
Speaker 2: are there any allegations in here that Trump received a
Speaker 2: bribe from a foreign nation?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Are there any allegations that he committed the kind of
Speaker 2: offenses that rise the level of gravity that may maybe
Speaker 2: maybe you'd consider indicting a foreign president. No, this is
Speaker 2: about hatred. Merrick Garland hates Donald Trump. He blames him
Speaker 2: because Garland wants to be on the Supreme Court. He
Speaker 2: feels like he was robbed. And I got to say,
Speaker 2: Garland spent twenty four years as a federal judge. He
Speaker 2: had built a reputation for integrity. And I am hard
Speaker 2: pressed to think of anyone in public life who has
Speaker 2: more lit their reputation on fire than Merrick Garland because
Speaker 2: he is happy to play political attack dog and Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: the Democrats are all perfectly content to see it.
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Speaker 1: There was a headline and I actually went back to
Speaker 1: look in my Merit Garland file and when there is
Speaker 1: important stories, sometimes I'll print them and I'll put them
Speaker 1: in a file. There was a headline back in twenty
Speaker 1: and eighteen by NPR and it said what happened with
Speaker 1: Merritt Garland in twenty sixteen and why it matters now?
Speaker 1: And they went into detail about how much it happened
Speaker 1: to him in the past two years. Many have forgotten
Speaker 1: what happened to Garland. In other words, saying like this
Speaker 1: man has a right to be angry. This is the
Speaker 1: man that was nominated to fill the twenty sixteen vacancy
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court created by the death of Justice Scaliam,
Speaker 1: an icon of the conservative movement. You had President Barack
Speaker 1: Obama that quickly named Garland. He was then sixty three
Speaker 1: to fill the seat. Garland did not get a vote,
Speaker 1: And this article written in twenty eighteen. You got to
Speaker 1: go back to eighteen to see this article from NPR.
Speaker 1: They basically justified Merrick Garland being angry at the world
Speaker 1: and knowing that he had missed his chance to be
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice because of his age since he
Speaker 1: didn't get that time. You look at that article now, Senator,
Speaker 1: and it is a very interesting connection to what he
Speaker 1: seems to be doing now as the Attorney General. Is
Speaker 1: this is there a very good chances could just be
Speaker 1: him settling the score, saying you kept this from me,
Speaker 1: and watch what I can do with the power I
Speaker 1: have now.
Speaker 2: No, No, this is not just Merrick Garland.
Speaker 3: This is Joe Biden. This is the Democrats. Merrick Garland
Speaker 3: is not.
Speaker 2: Is this Merrick Garland's corrupt vendetta, personal vendetta? Yes, but
Speaker 2: he's doing it with the explicit embrace of the Biden
Speaker 2: White House. That's why Joe Biden put them there. And
Speaker 2: by the way, Joe Biden publicly called for the Department
Speaker 2: of Justice to investigate Donald Trump. You know, when he
Speaker 2: was campaigning for president Joe Biden said, I'm going to
Speaker 2: leave DOJ alone. I'm not going to try to influence
Speaker 2: their decisions, and yet he violated that almost immediately after
Speaker 2: he got sworn into office, where he called on them
Speaker 2: to go after Trump is Listen, Garland is angry and
Speaker 2: he's he's petty, and he keeps it as a personal grudge.
Speaker 2: Look remember the many times and we played a lot
Speaker 2: of them on this podcast. When Garland is testified before
Speaker 2: the Senate and I and others question him the degree
Speaker 2: of offense, he feels.
Speaker 3: How dare you question me?
Speaker 2: It's this self righteous entitlement that I don't report to anybody,
Speaker 2: I don't answer to anybody. I am the attorney general.
Speaker 3: To hell with the law.
Speaker 2: He picks which laws to follow, he ignores the laws
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to follow, and he has this absolute
Speaker 2: view of on accountability and self righteousness. But it's not
Speaker 2: just him. It is a mistake to think this is
Speaker 2: just a rogue attorney general. By the way, if it
Speaker 2: were a rogue attorney general, Joe Biden could fire him.
Speaker 3: This was obvious. This was coming.
Speaker 2: By the way, if it were also a rogue attorney
Speaker 2: general and a rogue FBI director. You know what Joe
Speaker 2: Biden could do, direct the FBI hand over the evidence
Speaker 2: concerning the allegations that I was involved in bribery. If
Speaker 2: Biden were innocent, he wouldn't say where's the money, This
Speaker 2: is malarkey. He'd say, these allegations are false, these allegations
Speaker 2: are serious, their lies, and I want all the information
Speaker 2: made public to show that I'm innocent. That's what he
Speaker 2: would say. He's not saying that because he knows that
Speaker 2: his loyal partisan Democrat lackeys of the Department of Justice
Speaker 2: will cover it up. They will stonewall, they will block it,
Speaker 2: and at the same time they will go after Donald
Speaker 2: Trump with everything they have. They were slowed down. They'd
Speaker 2: hoped to indict him earlier, but then suddenly the unexpected
Speaker 2: accident of Joe Biden storing classified documents all over the
Speaker 2: place made that more complicated. But this, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, is a political attack. It is not legal,
Speaker 2: It is not the rule of law. It is not
Speaker 2: enforcing justice. It is DOJ acting as the opposition arm
Speaker 2: of the DNC, attacking their opponent. And I got to say,
Speaker 2: as someone who reveres our Department of Justice and the
Speaker 2: role it is played in the history of our nation
Speaker 2: for ensuring the fair and impartial administration of justice. Today
Speaker 2: is a shocking and sad day if.
Speaker 1: You're keeping score, Senator, and this is the part that
Speaker 1: enrages so many people that are listening. You've got Hunter
Speaker 1: Biden and everything that he's done. Zero indictments, the Big Guy,
Speaker 1: zero indictments, the Quintons and everything that we now know
Speaker 1: about the four investigations that were shut down into them,
Speaker 1: and not only those investigations, but also her classified documents
Speaker 1: and the email server. The list goes on and on.
Speaker 1: Zero indictments. You put all these together, and then you
Speaker 1: see what they're doing to Donald J. Trump. There's a
Speaker 1: question that you got to ask, is.
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's one. There's one other I
Speaker 2: want to mention, Ben Sure, So, who is the most
Speaker 2: vulnerable Democrat in the US Senate right now in the ballot?
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: Joe Mantioned from West Virginia, unequivocally, clearly, indisputably Joe Manchin,
Speaker 2: incumbent Democrat. Senator Trump carried West Virginia by thirty nine
Speaker 2: points Manchin. Most handicappers believe he is likely to lose
Speaker 2: now mansion right now is facing one of two opponents.
Speaker 2: He's either facing Jim Justice, who's the incumbent governor. He
Speaker 2: had been a Democrat, he shifted to Republican he's running,
Speaker 2: or Alex Mooney. Alex Mooney is a congressman. He's a
Speaker 2: strong conservative. I like Alex Mooney a lot. I've endorsed
Speaker 2: Alex Mooney. I think he's the stronger conservative in the
Speaker 2: stronger candidate. I hope Alex wins. But what did doj
Speaker 2: do in the last few days? In the last few days,
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice announced that it was bringing a
Speaker 2: civil case again against Jim Justice's son and the companies
Speaker 2: that he ran, the coal companies that he ran, bringing
Speaker 2: the against the multiple cases targeting Jim Justice's son. It
Speaker 2: was so you literally have DJ saying, who's the opponent
Speaker 2: of the most vulnerable Democrat senator, Let's go bring a
Speaker 2: case against their son, within hours of them saying, oh,
Speaker 2: and let's indict for President Trump, who is also the
Speaker 2: leading Republican candidate right now for president. Like, it is
Speaker 2: a level of absolute shamelessness, I tweeted out. I said, look,
Speaker 2: in related news, the DNC has closed down it's it's
Speaker 2: headquarters in Washington, d C. And simply moved into the
Speaker 2: fifth floor of the DOJ building because they had an
Speaker 2: empty conference room and they figured they might as well
Speaker 2: share administrative costs.
Speaker 3: This is I don't.
Speaker 2: Understand an attorney general that that just says, I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of prosecutors under my control, and
Speaker 2: our job is to indict anyone who's a problem for
Speaker 2: Democrats and to attack Republicans. The degree to which they
Speaker 2: are lighting on fire the integrity of the Department of
Speaker 2: Justice and the FBI is heartbreaking and it's dangerous. And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Ben, there are thousands upon thousands of
Speaker 2: men and women at DOJ and the FBI that are
Speaker 2: horrified and angry, and many of them are coming as
Speaker 2: whistleblowers to Congress right now because they don't like seeing
Speaker 2: an institution that should be nonpartisan turned into a political
Speaker 2: attack weapon.
Speaker 1: Will this open the floodgates to more whistleblowers coming forward?
Speaker 1: Number one and number two, Senator, is the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: for all intentsive purposes dead? And I say that because
Speaker 1: I don't believe it exists anymore. I believe they're a
Speaker 1: communist party, a socialist party. I think that the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party is dead as we know it. The days of
Speaker 1: get part and O'Neill and others that could work together
Speaker 1: for the other country that seems to be long gone.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to be caring about what's right for
Speaker 1: this nation. I believe that they the Democratic Party has
Speaker 1: died and today is another tombstone for the Democratic movement.
Speaker 3: Well, you know who can answer that.
Speaker 2: Each of the serving Democrats in Congress right now, if
Speaker 2: there's even a single Democrat in the Senate, if there's
Speaker 2: even a single Democrat in the House who cares about
Speaker 2: the rule of law, he or she has a chance
Speaker 2: to denounce this. I'm going to make a prediction none
Speaker 2: of them will. To the best of my knowledge, they
Speaker 2: have in so far. I serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Speaker 2: That's the place that has jurisdiction over all of these
Speaker 2: issues we've seen in the last week. The House is
Speaker 2: very interested in the credible allegations from an informant who
Speaker 2: the FBI had relied on previously that Joe Biden, then
Speaker 2: the Vice President of the United States, now the President
Speaker 2: of the United States, was involved personally in a five
Speaker 2: million dollar bribery scheme of the foreign nation. If we
Speaker 2: had a functioning Senate Judiciary Committee, we'd be holding hearings.
Speaker 2: Why is it that James Comer wants to see these
Speaker 2: documents but Dick Durbin doesn't because every Democrat on the
Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee they don't care if the president was receiving
Speaker 2: bribes from a foreign nation. And listen, I get partisan battles.
Speaker 2: Although this is the point I make Democrats all the time.
Speaker 2: It's not that hard to stand up to your own party.
Speaker 2: I stand up to my own party all the time.
Speaker 2: I battled Mitch McConnell. He and I have beaten each
Speaker 2: other bloody and bruised a thousand different times. Democrats put
Speaker 2: partisan loyalty above everything. And by the way, if you
Speaker 2: contrast this to Richard Nixon, as you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: a fan of Richard Nixon. I think he was corrupt.
Speaker 2: I think he abused power. I think when he resigned
Speaker 2: in disgrace it was because of incredibly bad conduct. I
Speaker 2: wrote about that at length in my last book, Justice Corrupted.
Speaker 2: But what tipped the balances was multiple Republican members of
Speaker 2: Congress said enough is enough. We can't defend this anymore.
Speaker 2: You know what's missing now? Even one Democrat not even
Speaker 2: willing to say, like Republicans did with Nixon, enough is enough.
Speaker 3: He's got to face accountability.
Speaker 2: But even one Democrat who says, I care, I want
Speaker 2: to know. What's amazing is there's not a Democrat member
Speaker 2: of Congress who even wants to know what is the
Speaker 2: evidence that Joe Biden took bribes? They don't care. And
Speaker 2: by the way, the mainstream media doesn't care and doesn't
Speaker 2: want to know what is the evidence Joe Biden took bribes? Instead,
Speaker 2: they want to shift to the indictment. You know, as
Speaker 2: I was heading over to do this podcast, I was
Speaker 2: talking with a couple of friends of mine in Dallas
Speaker 2: and we were talking about what the podcast was going
Speaker 2: to be about tonight, and I said, yeah, I'm getting
Speaker 2: ready to record it, and it's about, of course, the
Speaker 2: Trump indictment. And one of them said, well, which Trump indictment?
Speaker 2: And I left said, what an amazing comment that you
Speaker 2: have to say, which Trump indictment? You also have to
Speaker 2: say when you're concerning impeachments, which Trump impeachments? Trump was
Speaker 2: impeached twice, both of them failed, both of them were frivolous.
Speaker 2: Trump has now been indicted twice Alvin Bragg, which we
Speaker 2: talked about at length, which was an utterly frivolous and
Speaker 2: garbage prosecution, and now this one. And by the way,
Speaker 2: this may not be the last one. You've still gotten
Speaker 2: Fulton County, Georgia. On other potential indictment, we may see
Speaker 2: three indictments where this is Democrats gone wild. We will
Speaker 2: indict and indict and indict the man, not because of
Speaker 2: evidence of criminal conduct, but because we hate him and
Speaker 2: because they are angry at the American people that the
Speaker 2: voters might just might have the temerity to elect him,
Speaker 2: and their view is to hell with you, voters, to
Speaker 2: hell with democracy. We're going to do everything we can
Speaker 2: to burn him down because we hate him that much.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the timeline for this. Obviously, he's going
Speaker 1: to go to court in Miami, we're being told President
Speaker 1: Trump will. But let's talk about the timeline of what
Speaker 1: happens after that, so people kind of know how long
Speaker 1: this could linger. Could this be settled or thrown out
Speaker 1: of court? Is there a chance of that before the election,
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Speaker 1: election day? And if that happens, then what happens if
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Speaker 1: now center moving forward? After the President goes to court
Speaker 1: in Miami, and then and how does this play out?
Speaker 1: And will this take a long time? Could it move quickly?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: The President has been instructed to appear in a federal
Speaker 2: courthouse in Miami on Tuesday of next week at three pm,
Speaker 2: So he will go there, presumably to be arraigned. He
Speaker 2: will plead not guilty, and then the proceedings could take
Speaker 2: a long time. I think in all likelihood these proceedings
Speaker 2: will not be over by election day. I think they're
Speaker 2: certainly not going to be over by the time of
Speaker 2: the primaries, by the Iowa caucuses, by New Hampshire, by
Speaker 2: South Carolina, and I think they could easily extend for years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: There's a chance the court throws us out.
Speaker 3: That's possible.
Speaker 2: But when you have this kind of Department of Justice prosecution,
Speaker 2: with this kind of major resources, the likely outcome is
Speaker 2: it will drag on for a long, long time and
Speaker 2: a big part of why DOJ is doing this. I
Speaker 2: don't think they really think they're going to convict the guy.
Speaker 2: I don't think Alvin Braggs really thinks that he's going
Speaker 2: to convict the guy. I think their objective is just
Speaker 2: to drag him in the mud, to crap all over him,
Speaker 2: and to attack him. It is an expression of hatred
Speaker 2: rather than a prosecution based on the facts. But in
Speaker 2: terms of timing, it could drag on potentially for years.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of people that claim to be
Speaker 1: conservatives who have been saying, over the last several hours, center, well,
Speaker 1: this is the reason why we should, you know, move
Speaker 1: on from Trump as fast as we can. In the primary,
Speaker 1: he quote now has too much baggage. Your reaction that
Speaker 1: because my thought is you are innocent until proven guilty
Speaker 1: and everything. In the past they've accused Donald Trump up
Speaker 1: and impeached him on not once but twice. None of
Speaker 1: it was true, and still Dotsier wasn't true, the collusion
Speaker 1: wasn't true. The list goes on and on, and when
Speaker 1: people say, well, it's just too much baggage, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what the Democrats these communists want, is for people to say, hey,
Speaker 1: if we can bury a Republican, whether it's in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: whether it's the presidential race, if we can take out
Speaker 1: front runners running for governor or Senate in different races
Speaker 1: by saying they quote have too much baggage, then we
Speaker 1: win every election.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the voters are going to decide that.
Speaker 2: But I think here's what Democrats believe. I think I
Speaker 2: think Democrats believe these indictments help Donald Trump in the
Speaker 2: primary and hurt him in the general election.
Speaker 3: When Alvin Bragg brought.
Speaker 2: His indictments, you and I did an emergency podcast. We
Speaker 2: did it within hours of the indictment. We put it
Speaker 2: out very very quickly, and that night, what I predicted
Speaker 2: is that would be a ten point bump in the polls.
Speaker 3: That proved exactly right.
Speaker 2: Trump went up ten points. Prior to that, Trump and
Speaker 2: DeSantis had been relatively close in the But when Alvin
Speaker 2: Bragg brought.
Speaker 3: That utterly frivolous.
Speaker 2: Garbage indictment, my comment at the time is that may
Speaker 2: have been the single greatest in kind contribution to the
Speaker 2: Trump campaign into any political campaign in the history of
Speaker 2: the Federal Elections Commission. I think Democrats believe that indictment
Speaker 2: in this indictment will benefit Trump in the primary, but
Speaker 2: I think Democrats also believe it will hurt Trump in
Speaker 2: the general election. I think they believe that if they
Speaker 2: throw so much mud at Trump that it may make
Speaker 2: general election voters less likely to vote for him. And look,
Speaker 2: you got to view this from the perspective of a
Speaker 2: hardcore partisan Democrat. If you want Joe Biden to get reelected,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 3: Run on his record.
Speaker 2: His record is terrible. You can't run on the economy,
Speaker 2: you can't run an immigration, you can't run a foreign policy,
Speaker 2: you can't run an Afghanistan, you can't run on crime.
Speaker 2: Like everything Biden has touched substantively has gone to crap.
Speaker 2: So your only hope, and I think this is the
Speaker 2: entire Democrat political strategy, is to hide Joe Biden in
Speaker 2: the basement. Because you certainly can't have him talk to
Speaker 2: the American people because he's not up to it. But
Speaker 2: your hope is to hide him in the basement and
Speaker 2: run an entire campaign attacking Donald Trump. And I think
Speaker 2: Democrats believe the more times they have partisan and biased
Speaker 2: prosecutors indicting Trump, the more they'll be able to throw.
Speaker 3: Mod at him.
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical that that's going to work, but I think
Speaker 2: that's what their strategy is.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one last question about some
Speaker 1: breaking news it's come out of the Biden bribery allegations.
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Speaker 1: We got more information. Biden's son Hunter was obviously a
Speaker 1: board member Barisma pretty much. I think everybody knows that
Speaker 1: he's also allegedly in on this scheme in this FBI document.
Speaker 1: But now we know that President Joe Biden was allegedly
Speaker 1: paid five million by an executive of the Ukrainian natural
Speaker 1: gas firm Barisma Holdings, where his son Hunter Biden also
Speaker 1: said on the board. This confidential human source, a highly
Speaker 1: trusted source told the FBI, apparently during a June twenty
Speaker 1: twenty interview. Sources familiar have now said to Fox News
Speaker 1: the source brief Foxnews on the contents of the FBI
Speaker 1: generated FD one zero two three form a judging a
Speaker 1: criminal bribery scheme between then Vice President Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: a foreign national that involved influence over US policy. What's
Speaker 1: interesting about this coming out is Vice President Joe Biden
Speaker 1: clearly was in a position, in his own words, to
Speaker 1: influence natural gas positions and loans government a dollars going
Speaker 1: to Ukraine. This is extremely damning just on the face
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this is true, it is shocking. And this
Speaker 2: is the first I'm hearing of it, Like as you're
Speaker 2: reading it to me in the midst of this podcast,
Speaker 2: I haven't read this article yet. I haven't seen this information.
Speaker 2: This is breaking literally this moment. But you know, I
Speaker 2: will say, Joe Biden, by his own description and by
Speaker 2: Obama's description, was the Obama administration's point person on Ukraine policy.
Speaker 2: We know that Joe Biden ex size that authority. There's
Speaker 2: the famous son of a Bitch Explain exchange which Biden
Speaker 2: said describing how he went to Ukraine and demanded the
Speaker 2: firing of the prosecutor who was going after the corrupt
Speaker 2: oligarch who owned Barisma, and as he put it, he
Speaker 2: he held a billion dollars of USA hostage, and in
Speaker 2: Joe Biden's words, son of a bitch, they fired the guy. Well,
Speaker 2: if it is true that Joe Biden received five million
Speaker 2: dollars from an executive at Barisma, that's stunning and on
Speaker 2: its face, that screams of criminal bribery. That not only
Speaker 2: screams of bribery. If that is true, that is an
Speaker 2: undoubtedly impeachable offense, and it is a criminal offense for
Speaker 2: which Joe Biden should serve a long jail term. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's true, So I want to
Speaker 2: be clear. This is a leaked discussion of an allegation
Speaker 2: from an informant, so it may not be true.
Speaker 3: But holy crap.
Speaker 2: Contrasts this to Trump had some documents like Biden had,
Speaker 2: like Pence had, like every foreign president had, that was
Speaker 2: classified and he didn't have.
Speaker 3: Them locked up all that Well, Like.
Speaker 2: In terms of allegations, that's pretty mild stuff. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: in terms of allegations that you got five million dollars from.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, I was gonna say that this new information
Speaker 1: and what it says to your point. It says this
Speaker 1: FT one zero two three form dated June thirty of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is the FBI's interview with quote a highly
Speaker 1: credible confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversation that
Speaker 1: he or she had with a top Borism executive over
Speaker 1: the course of several years starting in two thousand than
Speaker 1: in fifteen. The form is used by the FBI agents
Speaker 1: to record unverified reporting from confidential human sources. The form
Speaker 1: is used to document informations told to an FBI agent.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversations apparently here, Senator, that this
Speaker 1: informant said, Hey, this wasn't just one time. There were
Speaker 1: multiple detailed meetings and conversations that this informant had with
Speaker 1: a top Barisma executive over the course of several years.
Speaker 1: About this bribery with the Biden family.
Speaker 2: Well, let me say this to quote Joe Biden. Where's
Speaker 2: the money and if it can be proven that Joe
Speaker 2: Biden received five million dollars from Avarisma executive for making
Speaker 2: official decisions that benefited Maarisma and Ukraine, Joe Biden should
Speaker 2: go to jail for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. But you know what,
Speaker 2: we had to have this document public. Look, we ought
Speaker 2: to have this informant testify public. The American people have
Speaker 2: a right to know is it true? And if it's not,
Speaker 2: you know who should be most angry about it. Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: The person if it's false, the person who should most
Speaker 2: want this information made public is Biden. And the fact
Speaker 2: that he's stonewalling and dj is stonewalling, the FBI is stonewalling,
Speaker 2: that raises a serious inference that they're covering something up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. This is going to be a very
Speaker 1: interesting tough week obviously for Donald Trump. We're going to
Speaker 1: be covering it. We'll give you updates on it. Will
Speaker 1: also make sure that you know about all this news
Speaker 1: that the media is not covering, especially with its bribery
Speaker 1: scheme that they are accusing the President being involved in.
Speaker 1: Now with a Barisma executive is what the reporting is saying.
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