1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdict to with Senator Ted Cruz Ben 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Ferguson with you. Donald Trump. He announced it. I've been 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: indicted apparently. It's a seven count indictment that has rocked 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: the media world, and really it is shocked to the 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: country center your reaction to this at former president being 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: indicted for a second time now by the special counsel 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: Jack Smith. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: Well, Ben, you and I are talking. It is twelve 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: oh one am Friday morning. I was on an airplane 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: when this indictment happened. I was flying back to the 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: great state of Texas. So I'm in Texas now. And 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: when I landed, I discovered what had been heavily leaked, 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: had been heavily foreshadowed that Donald Trump was going. 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: To be indicted today. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: I have to say today is a very sad day 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: in American history. It is a shameful day in American history. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: It is a disgraceful day in American history. Look, our 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: constitution is bablish as a system of justice. Where number one, 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: we have had for forty six presidents consistently a peaceful 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: transfer of power, with each president leaving office on January twentieth, 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: At least in the modern times, and each new president 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: coming in on January twentieth. We have never in over 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: two centuries of our nation's history had a new president 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: who launched the entire Department of Justice, the entire machinery 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: of Justice, on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate, 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: to indict, to try to throw in jail the former president, who, 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: it should be noted, is also currently the leading contender 28 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: on the Republican side to run against the current president. 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: That has never happened at any point, no matter how 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: bad the vitriol is gotten. Nobody has tried to do that. 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: And part of the reason nobody has tried to do 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: that is for the vast majority of the history of 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: our country, no Department of Justice would go along with it. 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: No attorney general would countenance being turned into a political 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: weapon to attack your political opponent. The result of today, 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: Merrick Garland is going to go down in disgrace as 37 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: the most partisan and political attorney general in our nation's history. 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: And Joe Biden and the Biden White House has decided 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: to hell with democracy. By the way, today is an 40 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: assault on democracy. You know, one of the things about 41 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: the left, the language they use. They inevitably accuse their 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: opponents of doing what they are doing. So right now, 43 00:02:53,600 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: democrats piously frame themselves as defenders of democracy. Today is 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: a slap in the face of democracy, because what today 45 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: the Biden administration is saying is to hell with you, voters. 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: We're worried that the voters might decide they want to 47 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: re elect Donald Trump, and so we're not going to 48 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: let the voters do that. We're going to bring a prosecution. 49 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: And let me be clear, Look, we don't know the 50 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: details of the prosecution. This indictment is still sealed, but 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: the Biden DOJ is nothing if not political, so they 52 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: leak like crazy. So we have pretty good intel on 53 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: what the claims are. Now, I will say this this 54 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: podcast has said for a long time, over and over again. 55 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: I've been telling Verdict listeners, Merrick Garland wants to indict 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He intends to indict Donald Trump. Came into 57 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: office with the plan to indict Donald Trump. I'm going 58 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: to point out those predictions. 59 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: We're all entirely right. 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: I also predicted on this podcast as we discussed that, 61 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: I said, look, the indictment is not just going to 62 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: be for possession of classified documents. After you're out of office. 63 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: That I believe had been the plan. That I believe 64 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: had been what Garland wanted to do, But then he 65 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: ran into an enormous political complication. It's not as much 66 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,119 Speaker 2: a legal complication as it is a political complication, which 67 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: is that Joe Biden was discovered having done the same 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: thing over and over and over again, that he had 69 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: classified documents it seems in every house he owns, and 70 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: he owns houses all over the place, including most laughably 71 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: classified documents just sitting in a box at his garage 72 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: next to his corvette. Suddenly Merrit Garland had a problem, 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: which is if he indicts Trump just on the possession 74 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: of classified documents after he's out of office, well, Joe 75 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: Biden has done the same thing. And so what we 76 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: predicted on this podcast is that Garland would indict Trump 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: for obstruction of justice instead that he would indict Trump 78 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: for lying. 79 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: About the documents. 80 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: That because Garland wouldn't indict Biden over it, he was 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: not saying was a crime. Well, it turned out that 82 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: prediction was mostly right, but not entirely right. So what 83 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: it appears to be the case is the DOJ's indicting 84 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: Trump for everything. 85 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: They just threw the kitchen sink at him. 86 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: So they're indicting him for apparently eighteen USC. Section seven 87 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: ninety three E, which is obstructing an official proceeding, eighteen USC. 88 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: Section fifteen twelve C, which is conspiracy to obstruct justice 89 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: eighteen USC. Section fifteen nineteen, and also making a materrely 90 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: false statement pursuing to eighteen USC. Section one thousand and one. 91 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: And so they're throwing all of this. They're doing obstruction 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: of justice, but they are also focusing on the confidential 93 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: documents that are doing both. This indictment is garbage. This 94 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: is a political attack. It is a political attack from 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: a thoroughly corrupted and weaponized Department of Justice, and it's 96 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: a sad day for America. 97 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: I got to ask you about the timing of this, 98 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: and this is one of the questions that so many 99 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: people are asking, and I want to get your take. 100 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Center the very same day that the FBI agreed to 101 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: allow members of the Oversight Committee to review the documents 102 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that are allegedly tying Joe Biden to a five million 103 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: dollar bribery scheme with a foreign national, President Trump is 104 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: informed that he's going to be indicted by the Biden 105 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. I don't believe that's by accident. 106 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: Do you no? 107 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: And let me say the hypocrisy is massive. I'm sure 108 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: you've seen what Biden said when asked about that, and 109 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: and actually let's let let's play it right now, because 110 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: I want to point out what Biden's response was when 111 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: he was asked about the evidence that he was personally 112 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: implicated in a five million dollar bribery scheme. I'm supposed 113 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: to walk off the stage. 114 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait. 115 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: Wait issue Farmers flew and Nancy May says, there's damning. 116 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: Evidence that the outfile that you sold out the country. 117 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: Give response to the progression Republicans, where's the money to 118 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of momarke. 119 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of malarkey centater we. By the way, 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe he said that. The comms team, I'm 121 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: sure was freaking out the fact that he even asked 122 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: that question. Where's the money? We know where the damn 123 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: money is. We know where it is from the bank accounts, 124 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: we know where it is from the suspicious activity reports. 125 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: And now members of Congress have seen where the money 126 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: went to all the different Biden family accounts and shell companies. 127 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: Well, look, that is exactly right, But I want to 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: step back for a minute. I want to put that 129 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: exchange which played out today in context with this shameful 130 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: indictment that came down today. Now, we've gone over two 131 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: centuries of our nation's history without any president trying to 132 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: indict his predecessor, without any president trying to indict his 133 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: potential future opponent. So look, theoretically that ought to be 134 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: a possibility. Should you possibly prosecute a former president, Yes, 135 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: but the threshold should be incredibly high. Any rational person, 136 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: anyone who respects our democratic system, anyone who respects our constitutions, 137 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: should recognize that you shouldn't be prosecuting a former president 138 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: for little tiki tak offenses, for little, little nonsense offenses. 139 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: That the threshold should be really damn high. So what 140 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: sort of things? If a president sold nuclear secrets to 141 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: our enemies, I prosecute that for a president for that. 142 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: If a president was Benedict Arnold and conspired with our 143 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: enemies against us, i'd prosecuted for a president. 144 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: Bennett Arnold wasn't a foreign president, but that's. 145 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: A great historical treason. If a president was receiving bribes 146 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: from foreign nations. That's the kind of thing you prosecuted 147 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: for a president for. 148 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Now. 149 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: What's astonishing is Joe Biden right now is currently facing 150 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: allegations that he was personally party to a five million 151 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: dollar bribe from a foreign nation. That's a big damn deal. 152 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: That's not a small little ticki tac allegation. That's the 153 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: sort of thing people go to prison for decades for. 154 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: And his response, the smarmy, smug response, where's the money now, 155 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: Number one? Where's the money? That's something al Capone said. 156 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: That's something John Dillinger, the bank robber said, you know, 157 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: when they asked him, why do you rob banks? He said, 158 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: that's where the money is. That's something criminals say, drug 159 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: dealers say. El Choppa probably said, where's the money? You 160 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: can't find the money. But as you noted, we actually 161 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: know quite a bit about where the money went. We 162 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: know that with respect to the Chinese, that there were 163 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: millions of dollars that were paid up to twelve different 164 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 2: Biden family members. We know that we're with respect to 165 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: the Ukrainians, that Barisma, the natural gas company, paid Joe 166 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Biden's son Hunter a million dollars a year, year after 167 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: year after year, eighty three thousand dollars a month. So 168 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: where's the money. That's one place the money. As we 169 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: also know that at least in the Chinese deals, that 170 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: the deals were structured with ten percent for the big 171 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: guy that would be Joe Biden, that would be the 172 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: current president. That's where the money is. And then this 173 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: five million dollar allegation. We don't know the details of it. 174 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: Why because the FBI won't make it public. The FBI 175 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: initially only showed it. Initially they said no one could 176 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: see it. Then Congress threatened to hold him in contempt. 177 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: Then the FBI said, we'll show it to James Comer 178 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: and Jamie Raskin, the chairman and ranking member. Then they 179 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: said we're not going to show it to everyone else. 180 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: Then Congress said we're going to hold you in contempt again. 181 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: Now where the FBI is, They said, we'll show it 182 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: to every member of the committee. Now, look, they're four 183 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five members of the House. Unless you're 184 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: on that committee, you haven't seen those documents. There are 185 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: a hundred members of the Senate. I haven't seen those documents, 186 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge. No member of the 187 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: Senate other than I guess Chuck Grassley may have seen 188 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: those documents. So there may be one senator who's seen them. 189 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: If there's another, I. 190 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 3: Don't know of it. But where we are right now 191 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: on the. 192 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: Day, there are allegations, serious allegations of the kind of 193 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: things for which presidents and former presidents might reasonably be 194 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: indicted and prosecuted, which is taking five million dollar bribes 195 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: from four nations. Joe Biden is simultaneously mocking the allegations 196 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: where's the money, because he knows that the Democrats in 197 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Congress don't want to figure out where it is. He 198 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: knows that his lackeys at the Department of Justice don't 199 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: want to figure out where it is, and he knows 200 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: that the lap dogs in the corporate media don't want 201 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: to figure out where it is. There are no Woodward 202 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: and Bernstein's. They don't exist anymore. You go back and 203 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: read all the president's men follow the money. If if 204 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: some reporter out there had a shred of integrity, he 205 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: would listen to Joe Biden saying where's the money, and 206 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: he would set his mission to say, I'm going to 207 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: find that money and let the American people know, and 208 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: none of them want to. 209 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: They don't care. 210 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to them if Joe Biden was receiving 211 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: bribes from foreign nations. Why, because it's all about power. 212 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: And on that same day they indict President Trump. And 213 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: are there any allegations in here that Trump received a 214 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: bribe from a foreign nation? 215 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: No? 216 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: Are there any allegations that he committed the kind of 217 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: offenses that rise the level of gravity that may maybe 218 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: maybe you'd consider indicting a foreign president. No, this is 219 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: about hatred. Merrick Garland hates Donald Trump. He blames him 220 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: because Garland wants to be on the Supreme Court. He 221 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: feels like he was robbed. And I got to say, 222 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: Garland spent twenty four years as a federal judge. 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I got to talk 257 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: about the politics of Garland. 258 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: Uh. 259 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: There was a headline and I actually went back to 260 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: look in my Merit Garland file and when there is 261 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: important stories, sometimes I'll print them and I'll put them 262 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: in a file. There was a headline back in twenty 263 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: and eighteen by NPR and it said what happened with 264 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: Merritt Garland in twenty sixteen and why it matters now? 265 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: And they went into detail about how much it happened 266 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: to him in the past two years. Many have forgotten 267 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: what happened to Garland. In other words, saying like this 268 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: man has a right to be angry. This is the 269 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: man that was nominated to fill the twenty sixteen vacancy 270 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court created by the death of Justice Scaliam, 271 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: an icon of the conservative movement. You had President Barack 272 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: Obama that quickly named Garland. He was then sixty three 273 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: to fill the seat. Garland did not get a vote, 274 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: And this article written in twenty eighteen. You got to 275 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: go back to eighteen to see this article from NPR. 276 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: They basically justified Merrick Garland being angry at the world 277 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and knowing that he had missed his chance to be 278 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice because of his age since he 279 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: didn't get that time. You look at that article now, Senator, 280 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: and it is a very interesting connection to what he 281 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: seems to be doing now as the Attorney General. Is 282 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: this is there a very good chances could just be 283 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: him settling the score, saying you kept this from me, 284 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: and watch what I can do with the power I 285 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: have now. 286 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: No, No, this is not just Merrick Garland. 287 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: This is Joe Biden. This is the Democrats. Merrick Garland 288 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: is not. 289 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: Is this Merrick Garland's corrupt vendetta, personal vendetta? Yes, but 290 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: he's doing it with the explicit embrace of the Biden 291 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: White House. That's why Joe Biden put them there. And 292 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: by the way, Joe Biden publicly called for the Department 293 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: of Justice to investigate Donald Trump. You know, when he 294 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: was campaigning for president Joe Biden said, I'm going to 295 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 2: leave DOJ alone. I'm not going to try to influence 296 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: their decisions, and yet he violated that almost immediately after 297 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: he got sworn into office, where he called on them 298 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: to go after Trump is Listen, Garland is angry and 299 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: he's he's petty, and he keeps it as a personal grudge. 300 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: Look remember the many times and we played a lot 301 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: of them on this podcast. When Garland is testified before 302 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: the Senate and I and others question him the degree 303 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: of offense, he feels. 304 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 3: How dare you question me? 305 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: It's this self righteous entitlement that I don't report to anybody, 306 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't answer to anybody. I am the attorney general. 307 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 3: To hell with the law. 308 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: He picks which laws to follow, he ignores the laws 309 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't want to follow, and he has this absolute 310 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: view of on accountability and self righteousness. But it's not 311 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: just him. It is a mistake to think this is 312 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: just a rogue attorney general. By the way, if it 313 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: were a rogue attorney general, Joe Biden could fire him. 314 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: This was obvious. This was coming. 315 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: By the way, if it were also a rogue attorney 316 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: general and a rogue FBI director. You know what Joe 317 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: Biden could do, direct the FBI hand over the evidence 318 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 2: concerning the allegations that I was involved in bribery. If 319 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: Biden were innocent, he wouldn't say where's the money, This 320 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: is malarkey. He'd say, these allegations are false, these allegations 321 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: are serious, their lies, and I want all the information 322 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: made public to show that I'm innocent. That's what he 323 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: would say. He's not saying that because he knows that 324 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: his loyal partisan Democrat lackeys of the Department of Justice 325 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: will cover it up. They will stonewall, they will block it, 326 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: and at the same time they will go after Donald 327 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: Trump with everything they have. They were slowed down. They'd 328 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: hoped to indict him earlier, but then suddenly the unexpected 329 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: accident of Joe Biden storing classified documents all over the 330 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: place made that more complicated. But this, at the end 331 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: of the day, is a political attack. It is not legal, 332 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: It is not the rule of law. It is not 333 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: enforcing justice. It is DOJ acting as the opposition arm 334 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: of the DNC, attacking their opponent. And I got to say, 335 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: as someone who reveres our Department of Justice and the 336 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: role it is played in the history of our nation 337 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: for ensuring the fair and impartial administration of justice. Today 338 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: is a shocking and sad day if. 339 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: You're keeping score, Senator, and this is the part that 340 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: enrages so many people that are listening. You've got Hunter 341 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: Biden and everything that he's done. Zero indictments, the Big Guy, 342 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: zero indictments, the Quintons and everything that we now know 343 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: about the four investigations that were shut down into them, 344 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: and not only those investigations, but also her classified documents 345 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: and the email server. The list goes on and on. 346 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Zero indictments. You put all these together, and then you 347 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: see what they're doing to Donald J. Trump. There's a 348 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: question that you got to ask, is. 349 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: And by the way, there's one. There's one other I 350 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: want to mention, Ben Sure, So, who is the most 351 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: vulnerable Democrat in the US Senate right now in the ballot? 352 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: Who is it? 353 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: Joe Mantioned from West Virginia, unequivocally, clearly, indisputably Joe Manchin, 354 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: incumbent Democrat. Senator Trump carried West Virginia by thirty nine 355 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: points Manchin. Most handicappers believe he is likely to lose 356 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: now mansion right now is facing one of two opponents. 357 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: He's either facing Jim Justice, who's the incumbent governor. He 358 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: had been a Democrat, he shifted to Republican he's running, 359 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: or Alex Mooney. Alex Mooney is a congressman. He's a 360 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: strong conservative. I like Alex Mooney a lot. I've endorsed 361 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Alex Mooney. I think he's the stronger conservative in the 362 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: stronger candidate. I hope Alex wins. But what did doj 363 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: do in the last few days? In the last few days, 364 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice announced that it was bringing a 365 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: civil case again against Jim Justice's son and the companies 366 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: that he ran, the coal companies that he ran, bringing 367 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: the against the multiple cases targeting Jim Justice's son. It 368 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: was so you literally have DJ saying, who's the opponent 369 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: of the most vulnerable Democrat senator, Let's go bring a 370 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: case against their son, within hours of them saying, oh, 371 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: and let's indict for President Trump, who is also the 372 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: leading Republican candidate right now for president. Like, it is 373 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: a level of absolute shamelessness, I tweeted out. I said, look, 374 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: in related news, the DNC has closed down it's it's 375 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: headquarters in Washington, d C. And simply moved into the 376 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: fifth floor of the DOJ building because they had an 377 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: empty conference room and they figured they might as well 378 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: share administrative costs. 379 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: This is I don't. 380 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Understand an attorney general that that just says, I'm a Democrat. 381 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: I've got a bunch of prosecutors under my control, and 382 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: our job is to indict anyone who's a problem for 383 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: Democrats and to attack Republicans. The degree to which they 384 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: are lighting on fire the integrity of the Department of 385 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 2: Justice and the FBI is heartbreaking and it's dangerous. And 386 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Ben, there are thousands upon thousands of 387 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: men and women at DOJ and the FBI that are 388 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 2: horrified and angry, and many of them are coming as 389 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: whistleblowers to Congress right now because they don't like seeing 390 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: an institution that should be nonpartisan turned into a political 391 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 2: attack weapon. 392 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: Will this open the floodgates to more whistleblowers coming forward? 393 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: Number one and number two, Senator, is the Democratic Party 394 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: for all intentsive purposes dead? And I say that because 395 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe it exists anymore. I believe they're a 396 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: communist party, a socialist party. I think that the Democratic 397 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Party is dead as we know it. The days of 398 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: get part and O'Neill and others that could work together 399 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: for the other country that seems to be long gone. 400 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: They don't seem to be caring about what's right for 401 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: this nation. I believe that they the Democratic Party has 402 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: died and today is another tombstone for the Democratic movement. 403 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know who can answer that. 404 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: Each of the serving Democrats in Congress right now, if 405 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: there's even a single Democrat in the Senate, if there's 406 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: even a single Democrat in the House who cares about 407 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: the rule of law, he or she has a chance 408 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: to denounce this. I'm going to make a prediction none 409 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: of them will. To the best of my knowledge, they 410 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: have in so far. I serve on the Senate Judiciary Committee. 411 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: That's the place that has jurisdiction over all of these 412 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: issues we've seen in the last week. The House is 413 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: very interested in the credible allegations from an informant who 414 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: the FBI had relied on previously that Joe Biden, then 415 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: the Vice President of the United States, now the President 416 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: of the United States, was involved personally in a five 417 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: million dollar bribery scheme of the foreign nation. If we 418 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: had a functioning Senate Judiciary Committee, we'd be holding hearings. 419 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: Why is it that James Comer wants to see these 420 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: documents but Dick Durbin doesn't because every Democrat on the 421 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee they don't care if the president was receiving 422 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 2: bribes from a foreign nation. And listen, I get partisan battles. 423 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: Although this is the point I make Democrats all the time. 424 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: It's not that hard to stand up to your own party. 425 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: I stand up to my own party all the time. 426 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: I battled Mitch McConnell. He and I have beaten each 427 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: other bloody and bruised a thousand different times. Democrats put 428 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: partisan loyalty above everything. And by the way, if you 429 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: contrast this to Richard Nixon, as you know, I'm not 430 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 2: a fan of Richard Nixon. I think he was corrupt. 431 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: I think he abused power. I think when he resigned 432 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: in disgrace it was because of incredibly bad conduct. I 433 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: wrote about that at length in my last book, Justice Corrupted. 434 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: But what tipped the balances was multiple Republican members of 435 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: Congress said enough is enough. We can't defend this anymore. 436 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: You know what's missing now? Even one Democrat not even 437 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: willing to say, like Republicans did with Nixon, enough is enough. 438 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: He's got to face accountability. 439 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: But even one Democrat who says, I care, I want 440 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: to know. What's amazing is there's not a Democrat member 441 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: of Congress who even wants to know what is the 442 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: evidence that Joe Biden took bribes? They don't care. And 443 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: by the way, the mainstream media doesn't care and doesn't 444 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: want to know what is the evidence Joe Biden took bribes? Instead, 445 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: they want to shift to the indictment. You know, as 446 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: I was heading over to do this podcast, I was 447 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: talking with a couple of friends of mine in Dallas 448 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: and we were talking about what the podcast was going 449 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: to be about tonight, and I said, yeah, I'm getting 450 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: ready to record it, and it's about, of course, the 451 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: Trump indictment. And one of them said, well, which Trump indictment? 452 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: And I left said, what an amazing comment that you 453 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: have to say, which Trump indictment? You also have to 454 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: say when you're concerning impeachments, which Trump impeachments? Trump was 455 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: impeached twice, both of them failed, both of them were frivolous. 456 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: Trump has now been indicted twice Alvin Bragg, which we 457 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: talked about at length, which was an utterly frivolous and 458 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: garbage prosecution, and now this one. And by the way, 459 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: this may not be the last one. You've still gotten 460 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: Fulton County, Georgia. On other potential indictment, we may see 461 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: three indictments where this is Democrats gone wild. We will 462 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: indict and indict and indict the man, not because of 463 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: evidence of criminal conduct, but because we hate him and 464 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: because they are angry at the American people that the 465 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: voters might just might have the temerity to elect him, 466 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: and their view is to hell with you, voters, to 467 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: hell with democracy. We're going to do everything we can 468 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: to burn him down because we hate him that much. 469 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the timeline for this. Obviously, he's going 470 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: to go to court in Miami, we're being told President 471 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Trump will. 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He 508 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: will plead not guilty, and then the proceedings could take 509 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: a long time. I think in all likelihood these proceedings 510 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: will not be over by election day. I think they're 511 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 2: certainly not going to be over by the time of 512 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: the primaries, by the Iowa caucuses, by New Hampshire, by 513 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: South Carolina, and I think they could easily extend for years. 514 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: Now. 515 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: There's a chance the court throws us out. 516 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: That's possible. 517 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: But when you have this kind of Department of Justice prosecution, 518 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: with this kind of major resources, the likely outcome is 519 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: it will drag on for a long, long time and 520 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 2: a big part of why DOJ is doing this. I 521 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: don't think they really think they're going to convict the guy. 522 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: I don't think Alvin Braggs really thinks that he's going 523 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: to convict the guy. I think their objective is just 524 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: to drag him in the mud, to crap all over him, 525 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: and to attack him. It is an expression of hatred 526 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: rather than a prosecution based on the facts. But in 527 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: terms of timing, it could drag on potentially for years. 528 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of people that claim to be 529 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: conservatives who have been saying, over the last several hours, center, well, 530 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: this is the reason why we should, you know, move 531 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: on from Trump as fast as we can. In the primary, 532 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: he quote now has too much baggage. Your reaction that 533 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: because my thought is you are innocent until proven guilty 534 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: and everything. In the past they've accused Donald Trump up 535 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: and impeached him on not once but twice. None of 536 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: it was true, and still Dotsier wasn't true, the collusion 537 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: wasn't true. The list goes on and on, and when 538 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: people say, well, it's just too much baggage, that's exactly 539 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: what the Democrats these communists want, is for people to say, hey, 540 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: if we can bury a Republican, whether it's in West Virginia, 541 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: whether it's the presidential race, if we can take out 542 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: front runners running for governor or Senate in different races 543 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: by saying they quote have too much baggage, then we 544 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: win every election. 545 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think the voters are going to decide that. 546 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: But I think here's what Democrats believe. I think I 547 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 2: think Democrats believe these indictments help Donald Trump in the 548 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: primary and hurt him in the general election. 549 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 3: When Alvin Bragg brought. 550 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: His indictments, you and I did an emergency podcast. We 551 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: did it within hours of the indictment. We put it 552 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: out very very quickly, and that night, what I predicted 553 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: is that would be a ten point bump in the polls. 554 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: That proved exactly right. 555 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: Trump went up ten points. Prior to that, Trump and 556 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: DeSantis had been relatively close in the But when Alvin 557 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: Bragg brought. 558 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: That utterly frivolous. 559 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: Garbage indictment, my comment at the time is that may 560 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: have been the single greatest in kind contribution to the 561 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: Trump campaign into any political campaign in the history of 562 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: the Federal Elections Commission. I think Democrats believe that indictment 563 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: in this indictment will benefit Trump in the primary, but 564 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: I think Democrats also believe it will hurt Trump in 565 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: the general election. I think they believe that if they 566 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: throw so much mud at Trump that it may make 567 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: general election voters less likely to vote for him. And look, 568 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: you got to view this from the perspective of a 569 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: hardcore partisan Democrat. If you want Joe Biden to get reelected, 570 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 2: you can't. 571 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: Run on his record. 572 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: His record is terrible. You can't run on the economy, 573 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: you can't run an immigration, you can't run a foreign policy, 574 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: you can't run an Afghanistan, you can't run on crime. 575 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: Like everything Biden has touched substantively has gone to crap. 576 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: So your only hope, and I think this is the 577 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: entire Democrat political strategy, is to hide Joe Biden in 578 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: the basement. Because you certainly can't have him talk to 579 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: the American people because he's not up to it. But 580 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: your hope is to hide him in the basement and 581 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: run an entire campaign attacking Donald Trump. And I think 582 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 2: Democrats believe the more times they have partisan and biased 583 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: prosecutors indicting Trump, the more they'll be able to throw. 584 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: Mod at him. 585 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: I'm skeptical that that's going to work, but I think 586 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: that's what their strategy is. 587 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: I want to ask you one last question about some 588 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: breaking news it's come out of the Biden bribery allegations. 589 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: There is one thing here that we now know that 590 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: has been leaked, and apparently Joe Biden allegedly got paid 591 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: five million by a Barisma executive as part of the 592 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: bribery scheme, according to the FBI document. 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I think everybody knows that 618 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: he's also allegedly in on this scheme in this FBI document. 619 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: But now we know that President Joe Biden was allegedly 620 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: paid five million by an executive of the Ukrainian natural 621 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: gas firm Barisma Holdings, where his son Hunter Biden also 622 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: said on the board. This confidential human source, a highly 623 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: trusted source told the FBI, apparently during a June twenty 624 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: twenty interview. Sources familiar have now said to Fox News 625 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: the source brief Foxnews on the contents of the FBI 626 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: generated FD one zero two three form a judging a 627 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: criminal bribery scheme between then Vice President Joe Biden and 628 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: a foreign national that involved influence over US policy. What's 629 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: interesting about this coming out is Vice President Joe Biden 630 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: clearly was in a position, in his own words, to 631 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: influence natural gas positions and loans government a dollars going 632 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. This is extremely damning just on the face 633 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: of it. 634 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, if this is true, it is shocking. And this 635 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: is the first I'm hearing of it, Like as you're 636 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 2: reading it to me in the midst of this podcast, 637 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: I haven't read this article yet. I haven't seen this information. 638 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: This is breaking literally this moment. But you know, I 639 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: will say, Joe Biden, by his own description and by 640 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 2: Obama's description, was the Obama administration's point person on Ukraine policy. 641 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 2: We know that Joe Biden ex size that authority. There's 642 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 2: the famous son of a Bitch Explain exchange which Biden 643 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: said describing how he went to Ukraine and demanded the 644 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: firing of the prosecutor who was going after the corrupt 645 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: oligarch who owned Barisma, and as he put it, he 646 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: he held a billion dollars of USA hostage, and in 647 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's words, son of a bitch, they fired the guy. Well, 648 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 2: if it is true that Joe Biden received five million 649 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: dollars from an executive at Barisma, that's stunning and on 650 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: its face, that screams of criminal bribery. That not only 651 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: screams of bribery. If that is true, that is an 652 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: undoubtedly impeachable offense, and it is a criminal offense for 653 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: which Joe Biden should serve a long jail term. No, 654 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's true, So I want to 655 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: be clear. This is a leaked discussion of an allegation 656 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: from an informant, so it may not be true. 657 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 3: But holy crap. 658 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: Contrasts this to Trump had some documents like Biden had, 659 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: like Pence had, like every foreign president had, that was 660 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: classified and he didn't have. 661 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 3: Them locked up all that Well, Like. 662 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: In terms of allegations, that's pretty mild stuff. Yeah, this 663 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: in terms of allegations that you got five million dollars from. 664 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: What Yeah, I was gonna say that this new information 665 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: and what it says to your point. It says this 666 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: FT one zero two three form dated June thirty of 667 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty is the FBI's interview with quote a highly 668 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: credible confidential source who detailed multiple meetings and conversation that 669 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: he or she had with a top Borism executive over 670 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: the course of several years starting in two thousand than 671 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: in fifteen. The form is used by the FBI agents 672 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: to record unverified reporting from confidential human sources. The form 673 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: is used to document informations told to an FBI agent. 674 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversations apparently here, Senator, that this 675 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: informant said, Hey, this wasn't just one time. There were 676 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: multiple detailed meetings and conversations that this informant had with 677 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: a top Barisma executive over the course of several years. 678 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: About this bribery with the Biden family. 679 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 2: Well, let me say this to quote Joe Biden. Where's 680 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 2: the money and if it can be proven that Joe 681 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 2: Biden received five million dollars from Avarisma executive for making 682 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 2: official decisions that benefited Maarisma and Ukraine, Joe Biden should 683 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 2: go to jail for a very long time. 684 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: Now. 685 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. But you know what, 686 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: we had to have this document public. Look, we ought 687 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: to have this informant testify public. The American people have 688 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 2: a right to know is it true? And if it's not, 689 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 2: you know who should be most angry about it. Joe Biden. 690 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 2: The person if it's false, the person who should most 691 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 2: want this information made public is Biden. And the fact 692 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 2: that he's stonewalling and dj is stonewalling, the FBI is stonewalling, 693 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: that raises a serious inference that they're covering something up. 694 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. This is going to be a very 695 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: interesting tough week obviously for Donald Trump. We're going to 696 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: be covering it. We'll give you updates on it. Will 697 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: also make sure that you know about all this news 698 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: that the media is not covering, especially with its bribery 699 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: scheme that they are accusing the President being involved in. 700 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: Now with a Barisma executive is what the reporting is saying. 701 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: So don't forget Hit that follow button if you're listening 702 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: on Apple, hit that subscribe or auto download button if 703 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: you're listening anywhere else, so you do not miss an episode. 704 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: If there is breaking news that happens, we will do 705 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: a special so you don't want to miss it. 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