Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, we're back. We're black, we're brown, ambish, ambitions,
Speaker 1: ambition and ambition.
Speaker 2: Why are we magic today? And we're wearing blue? Were
Speaker 2: never wear blue?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And we're all blue?
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, hey, beauty, helly, you always give me
Speaker 3: something new to giggle about it. And I was giggling
Speaker 3: because like, clearly you had your nails done, because there
Speaker 3: was a lot of fingerography, hand agraphy. They look great.
Speaker 2: They look at you right, not me becoming a whole
Speaker 2: lady at forty five. I'm like, it's late.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, you know, I'm just starting to
Speaker 1: get my last done, my nails done. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: this what that girl's based ufering through? I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't mind getting my nails done, but I'm like, it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of up.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mind it something much time.
Speaker 2: Someone someone's gonna fall. Here's the thing. I actually like
Speaker 2: the feet because you know, you just sit there, you know,
Speaker 2: scrolling your phone.
Speaker 3: You can do things.
Speaker 2: Yes, Hm, on nails, you'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: give you my handbag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you look gorge gosh. I hmm, how are
Speaker 3: listen where? I just went to therapy yesterday and I
Speaker 3: have the good news is that I always have so
Speaker 3: much material to work with, and there's some things that
Speaker 3: I could just leave in the back of the closet,
Speaker 3: you know, that are just kind of like that's something
Speaker 3: that we need to work, that we need to talk about,
Speaker 3: but we're just I'm just gonna like, look at this
Speaker 3: shiny drama over here. You leaving Brown Ambition is like
Speaker 3: one of those things. And now it's like I have
Speaker 3: been looking forward to this episode, these episodes and be
Speaker 3: a fan. This is a series that we're gonna be
Speaker 3: doing because I'm not letting Tiffany go, as uncomfortable as
Speaker 3: maybe it makes her feel. I don't know. I ain't
Speaker 3: let you go without a show. I'm not letting you
Speaker 3: go without an acknowledgment of the legacy that you are
Speaker 3: leaving us with. And so I guess I know how
Speaker 3: I'm feeling, which is like I pingbong between emotions all
Speaker 3: the time. But are you ready to be to look
Speaker 3: at what's next together and like really talk about the
Speaker 3: end and like face it with me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean someone actually asked me to like how's it going.
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I'm someone who when big
Speaker 1: things happen, I'm pretty chill, but.
Speaker 2: Then I get bursts of And I had that the
Speaker 2: other day. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw one of our clips
Speaker 1: and it was like hilarious or something like that, and
Speaker 1: it hit me like wait, you know, like my brain
Speaker 1: doesn't hold things like consistent. It'll just they come in
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, like you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't not explain it where I'm It's almost like this
Speaker 1: is how I manage. This is how I cope because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of big things that are like happening
Speaker 1: in general, right, and so if I hold them all
Speaker 1: like heavily, it can be very overwhelming emotionally.
Speaker 2: So I've learned to be like a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: They're not disassociating necessarily sometimes that but not necessarily, but
Speaker 1: like you know, like hold it lightly. But the other day,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a clip or something,
Speaker 1: and it hit me like a ton of bricks, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I got a little weep be like
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was like clip of us at
Speaker 1: the at the live show, and I was watching it
Speaker 1: and I was laughing, Oh my god, and I was
Speaker 1: like wait, So it hit me like a ton of bricks.
Speaker 2: So I'm okay. I just I'm sad about it, you know.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 1: I don't know it's it's a weird thing because yes,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving Brian and Mishap, but I'm leaving Mandy. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the part that like doesn't feel as
Speaker 1: weird because I think sometimes when you leave a thing,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I'm leaving all my work friends, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, but that's actually not what's happening here.
Speaker 2: So there's this weird it's the same but not the same,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a more normal friendship, I guess, not
Speaker 3: every friendship. It's like I'll see you on the internet,
Speaker 3: but thousands of people watching on Monday. Cool every Monday.
Speaker 3: Well ah yeah, ye. How am I feeling today? I'm
Speaker 3: feeling good. I woke up and it's not the thing
Speaker 3: is you know, I could talk about how I'm feeling,
Speaker 3: but it's never just one thing that's contributing to like
Speaker 3: the swirl. I actually wrote about it to my in
Speaker 3: a newsletter yesterday, and I was trying to describe the
Speaker 3: emotional like sort of not even a roller coaster, because
Speaker 3: that's sort of like one dip and then you're I'm
Speaker 3: just it's like I said, it's ever since I found
Speaker 3: out you were leaving, it just has felt like every
Speaker 3: emotion from inside out too, because they introduce some new
Speaker 3: fun ones like anxiety. Yes, it's like being put in
Speaker 3: a blender, and it's just like every like pulse, you know,
Speaker 3: not consistent, just like pulse pulse. So I get these
Speaker 3: like it really changes from time to time. But what
Speaker 3: I keep centering myself on is the goal. The point
Speaker 3: of everything is to go through this transition and still
Speaker 3: feel like me and tiff are exactly as strong as
Speaker 3: we've gotten. I feel like we've worked for our friendship
Speaker 3: and our business partnership. I think we've worked for it,
Speaker 3: and I just want to like protect that. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time on the
Speaker 3: future right now, because who even knows what kind of
Speaker 3: world we're going to be in. It's not just Tiffany leaving,
Speaker 3: it's like where is our democracy going to be? But
Speaker 3: I want to look back, and I think we have
Speaker 3: talked ad nauseum about the origin of brown Envision.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: And if you guys don't know the origin story, you
Speaker 3: know the cliff notes, cliff notes, spark notes, whatever version.
Speaker 3: As Tiffany and I met in person for the first
Speaker 3: time at finn Con, I was actually writing about this
Speaker 3: from my book. Tiffany and I went back and I like,
Speaker 3: I was looking at pictures, I was reading email chains,
Speaker 3: I was trying to find the blog post, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to find the article on Business Insider that
Speaker 3: I originally wrote, which is when I was first I
Speaker 3: discovered you, like to myself, but I didn't meet you
Speaker 3: in person until until finn Con. But anyway, it wasn't
Speaker 3: that finn Con that brand ambition was born, but our
Speaker 3: friendship was born. Ore like, I don't know, you just
Speaker 3: meet people, And this most recent FINCN just reminded me
Speaker 3: how you don't have that click with but just everybody.
Speaker 3: You really don't. It's magical and special and I definitely
Speaker 3: don't take it for granted. But we had that spark,
Speaker 3: that kindred spirit, kind of connection. And the next year
Speaker 3: is when I started to scheme in Charlotte and Charlotte
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, we were I saw this video
Speaker 3: of us on the Finance bar bus on Marsha's bus
Speaker 3: getting a tour I got to show you this clip
Speaker 3: of you and I think it was you, Tanya and Marsha,
Speaker 3: and you were just like so silly. You're you're making
Speaker 3: up some song, like hamming it up for the camera.
Speaker 3: But you weren't at the time, like the you know,
Speaker 3: the New York Times bestselling author like Budgetista was still
Speaker 3: in its couple of years infancy. Like if you can
Speaker 3: look back, what I'm curious about is back at that time,
Speaker 3: as a business owner and just exploring your own business
Speaker 3: or building your business at the time, why did you
Speaker 3: say yes to Brown Ambition? Do you remember?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You no, for real, like honestly, because what I
Speaker 2: didn't even know what a podcast was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even a little bit.
Speaker 2: No, not really. I mean I think i'd heard of it.
Speaker 1: I was like, honestly, it wasn't That wasn't the draw
Speaker 1: because like nobody knew podcasting is going to do what
Speaker 1: it's doing now.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the draw.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, I like her, she's fine, went
Speaker 1: to okay. It's almost like you say you want to
Speaker 1: come up to my house and hang out.
Speaker 2: It's like mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Literally, like that was the only qualifier. I was like,
Speaker 1: not really sure what this podcasting is a man, it
Speaker 1: seems really nice and cool.
Speaker 3: I like her and sure.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it was like, what a big and little.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're crazy.
Speaker 2: I can't believe literally had no research.
Speaker 3: I was like, sure, no business strategy.
Speaker 1: No, not literally, not at all, because I just honestly said,
Speaker 1: what I heard was this person that I think is
Speaker 1: really great and fun and cool and nice. She's like,
Speaker 1: do you want to do a project together? And I
Speaker 1: said okay. I said okay to you, not necessarily to
Speaker 1: the project, because we didn't have a name. We didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't know really what podcasting was. It was just
Speaker 1: you asked me to do a project, and I liked you,
Speaker 1: so I said okay. And that's literally and it's funny
Speaker 1: because that's the same now you know. I'm here, you know,
Speaker 1: because of Mandy. And I remember because my I had
Speaker 1: another friend asked before you asked me to do a
Speaker 1: podcast together?
Speaker 2: Ooh, Danny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm not gonna say names because you know
Speaker 1: who she is. And I said sure because at the
Speaker 1: time I thought we were really close. And I said, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds cool, you know, and like she was like,
Speaker 1: it's like a radio show, da da da or and
Speaker 1: I said sure, and then maybe a week or so
Speaker 1: before you asked me, she dropped me, and I heard
Speaker 1: my feelings kind of because she said, I know, I said,
Speaker 1: ask she I for you, and to be honest, I mean,
Speaker 1: to be fair, she was honest.
Speaker 2: She said, I know.
Speaker 1: I said that we should do a podcast together, but
Speaker 1: one of her friends or one of her mentors or
Speaker 1: something like that said that she shouldn't do it with
Speaker 1: me because we do we're too similar in this space.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, she said, I don't even know,
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 1: Can't remember the exact words, but essentially that I'm you know,
Speaker 1: it's competition, you know that if we did something together.
Speaker 1: And I was like, but in my mind, I was
Speaker 1: like that that doesn't make sense because you're my friend
Speaker 1: and what what you know what I mean. I just
Speaker 1: remember being really like, well, okay, and so when you
Speaker 1: asked me, in my mind, I was like, is she
Speaker 1: gonna drop me too?
Speaker 2: Because I like this girl too.
Speaker 1: But when you asked me, I was like, I was
Speaker 1: really eager because I was like, okay, yes, and then
Speaker 1: we actually did it.
Speaker 2: So now I look back, I'm like, hey, this couldn't
Speaker 2: been you. It couldn't have been No, she's still cool,
Speaker 2: but I mean not to me.
Speaker 3: At the time. You know this, there was this dynamic
Speaker 3: of in terms of like social media platform and you
Speaker 3: had an audience baked in. Whereas I was a reporter,
Speaker 3: I wasn't the draw for the brands that I was
Speaker 3: working for for Yahoo, for Business Insider, I was doing
Speaker 3: articles underneath that brand. But like there was this element
Speaker 3: of being the Kelly Roland to Tiffany's Beyonce, and not
Speaker 3: everybody can be Kelly. Kelly is fucking phenomenal. Thank you,
Speaker 3: and I'm really proud to be a Kelly. Like I'm
Speaker 3: really proud. It's not like, you know, who's the difference
Speaker 3: between Kelly and Beyonce. It's not a question of like
Speaker 3: who's more talented, or who works harder, who dances better,
Speaker 3: who has the better voice. It's because Kelly has on
Speaker 3: paper everything that Beyonce has and so much strength. And
Speaker 3: it's just about feeling. It's about being able to step
Speaker 3: beside such a bright light and not feel like you
Speaker 3: are being cast in shadow. And I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: a saint there. I will not lie and say that
Speaker 3: there weren't times when I felt like, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: it's Brandon ambision with Tiffany and who and you know,
Speaker 3: like feeling like yeah, I mean I think that I
Speaker 3: have those human feelings sometimes, especially you know, we have
Speaker 3: a guest on and it's like who is she? Who? Hi, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: You're my friend? Like I like, you know, and but
Speaker 3: at the same time like not like learning how to
Speaker 3: I think it was one of the great lessons as
Speaker 3: a friend, as a sister, as a person, greatest lessons
Speaker 3: to be put in a position where you are side
Speaker 3: by side with someone who shines so brightly undeniably, you know,
Speaker 3: and then to be coming into my own light at
Speaker 3: the same time, but not letting your war light intimidate
Speaker 3: me that I has to seeing you like grow to
Speaker 3: this light that you know that you are now.
Speaker 1: I think like the first time when it was like yes,
Speaker 1: it was I don't know why, randomly, but we decided
Speaker 1: to go live, and I think our audience could like
Speaker 1: go live on like Instagram, Oh we did, yes.
Speaker 2: I think I think our.
Speaker 1: Normal like Arbha bisht I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we love Manday blah blah blah. But when we went
Speaker 1: live on IG I don't think people realize how freaking
Speaker 1: hilarious you were oh. I remember distinctly because I remember
Speaker 1: being shocked at how many people were like, oh my god, minute.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, do oh, y'all don't know, Mandy, because
Speaker 1: you were cracking all the jokes. Everyone thinks that I'm
Speaker 1: just a silly, funny one. I'm like, hey, no, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think it was like then it was like
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was I don't know when
Speaker 1: it was when we went live on IG together for
Speaker 1: the first time, but it cracked open this like, wow,
Speaker 1: Mandy is hilarious and funny.
Speaker 2: We knew she was smart, obviously she's reor but like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: And so I think that I love that because it
Speaker 1: allowed people who maybe didn't listen to the podcast to
Speaker 1: realize that, like, oh, there's two smart, hilarious, brilliant women
Speaker 1: on this podcast. And I feel like I can see
Speaker 1: it when people come up to us. I remember the
Speaker 1: first time someone came up to me, he was like,
Speaker 1: here's a huck for me, Andy.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was so geeked when you told
Speaker 3: me that. Oh my god. I would wait when you
Speaker 3: came back from any big event or like maybe like
Speaker 3: anybody mentioned because it was a sign I'm like, we're
Speaker 3: getting through. We're getting through.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That reminds me of like the earliest days of the podcast.
Speaker 3: One of the most iconic moments, and this is when
Speaker 3: if we were like the Save by the Bell throwback
Speaker 3: episode at the end of the season, this is when
Speaker 3: they would like do like the little string orchestral because
Speaker 3: I will be inserting clips, yes I will. The iconic
Speaker 3: pack Panny conversation, which was on episode two or three.
Speaker 3: I want to say that was one of the moments
Speaker 3: that in the beginning I didn't know what to do
Speaker 3: with that other than like just I was like, is
Speaker 3: this for brown ambition? Oh well, don't say wait, because no,
Speaker 3: I think it was you made it so safe, You
Speaker 3: made me feel so safe, just to bring that level
Speaker 3: because would always take it to one hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I remember asking me like, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think I was saying, like, I don't what do
Speaker 1: people do for like what do women do for underwear,
Speaker 1: because like mine just keep falling apart or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of my favorites because I realized because
Speaker 1: I didn't know what kind of show we were going
Speaker 1: to do, but I like it's a show. Obviously, this
Speaker 1: is a finance show, but it's a finance and friendship show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I took I took myself a little
Speaker 3: too seriously in the beginning. I really did see my
Speaker 3: position in the beginning. I thought of it as like,
Speaker 3: Tiffany is the the comedian, the sparkle, and I almost
Speaker 3: I would like tell myself, this is Tiffany. She's bringing
Speaker 3: the light and the fun and the joy and the
Speaker 3: you know, the key key and the comedic relief. And
Speaker 3: it's I looked at it as my position to like
Speaker 3: be the somber like fact finder. Well, Tiffany, let's check
Speaker 3: the let's go to the facts, because according to this
Speaker 3: study into and that side of me still comes out
Speaker 3: a little bit because I just like, I still consider
Speaker 3: myself a journalist. But it was it took me a minute,
Speaker 3: I think, to get comfortable, not necessarily like with you,
Speaker 3: but definitely with like not necessarily needing to like beat
Speaker 3: the audience over the head with like facts and data
Speaker 3: and statistics and news and Okay, so pack Panties is
Speaker 3: just one of those iconic moments. It's the moment that
Speaker 3: sticks in my mind when I think about Okay, this
Speaker 3: is not going to be the show that maybe I
Speaker 3: like my straight a journalism four point oh gpa, you
Speaker 3: know brain wanted it to be, but that it was
Speaker 3: going to be something quite different. Yes, this is brown break.
Speaker 2: Time because it is Brown Break.
Speaker 3: Do you want to go first?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: So I was walking here and I was walking here
Speaker 1: and my pack underwear was riding up my behind as
Speaker 1: I always us, and I was like.
Speaker 5: Great, you know what, and I say it again, your
Speaker 5: pack underwear. So I call it pack underwear because you
Speaker 5: buy it a pack some people. I'm like, people don't
Speaker 5: buy you know, Hanes.
Speaker 3: I didn't know people under the age of forty five
Speaker 3: bucks under pack.
Speaker 5: It's like past the age of thirteen and under the
Speaker 5: age of forty five you should not be buying your
Speaker 5: underwear and a pack I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And so like they never fit. So one, you either
Speaker 2: have the GRAMDMA fit.
Speaker 1: It goes up to your navel and just like you know,
Speaker 1: it almost looks like, you know, like the sixties bathing
Speaker 1: suits that are like really cute, highwaisted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it looks like over the belly, yes, And so.
Speaker 1: It either looks like that or or you look like
Speaker 1: a six year old because they're like, you know, they
Speaker 1: actually have like designs and stuff on them or unicorns,
Speaker 1: yes and so, and it just never fits my butt.
Speaker 1: So it's either way too big for my butt or
Speaker 1: it's literally like slicing my cheeks in half.
Speaker 2: And so I just never can find the white pack underwear.
Speaker 2: And then Annie told me that there's my problem right there.
Speaker 5: Stop buying your underwear and a pack, ladies.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, but what, so what I don't want? Necessarily?
Speaker 1: I feel like either I have pack underwear or I
Speaker 1: have like my Lacey numbers for what I want to
Speaker 1: get sassy, you know, So what's in between? And uh?
Speaker 2: Full coverage?
Speaker 5: Because I feel like there was a point in my
Speaker 5: life when I was in high school and I don't
Speaker 5: know why I was, but I would go to like
Speaker 5: Row twenty one and I'd buy the dollar thongs and
Speaker 5: then they would just sit in my drawer. I used
Speaker 5: to have this big wad, I like tangled up, never
Speaker 5: worn maybe, but once they had like little things dangling
Speaker 5: from them.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I was a virgin until like how long? No,
Speaker 3: I did not need to have dangling.
Speaker 5: Dollar signs for my undermind, like thongs. Nobody wanted to
Speaker 5: see me thought they always rode up the back. Yes,
Speaker 5: they made it like a line in your ass. You
Speaker 5: can see through your jeans and your dress.
Speaker 1: Never because I'm like, I'm gonna pay underwear to ride
Speaker 1: up the kind of but I have, you're paying for
Speaker 1: a wedgie basically.
Speaker 2: And so I had those same.
Speaker 1: Things because I would get it from Joyce Leslie. Did
Speaker 1: you love a Joyce Leslie? It's like rainbow, Okay, we
Speaker 1: like that kind of I get it. And so Joyce
Speaker 1: Leslie used to have, like for like a dollar, they
Speaker 1: would have like you know, like thongs, all this lace
Speaker 1: and like all this beating and stuff, and it just
Speaker 1: seemed like a good idea at the time until you
Speaker 1: put them on, You're like, but.
Speaker 2: Why because it's cute?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So the next part of the journey that I think
Speaker 3: really sticks out for me is our love relationships. I
Speaker 3: think I don't know if you've ever have you listened
Speaker 3: back to the very first episode of Brown Ambition. It
Speaker 3: will I don't know if it'll make you cringe, But
Speaker 3: my baby, my baby voice that still had a little
Speaker 3: bit of that southern twang.
Speaker 2: Oh I did.
Speaker 3: Hey everyone, I'm Mandy.
Speaker 2: Hey, It's Tiphany and this is Brown Ambition.
Speaker 5: I've been a reporter in New York City for five years.
Speaker 5: Right now, I'm a writer at Yahoo Finance. I write
Speaker 5: about money, business, career, basically anything to do with the
Speaker 5: world and how it impacts your wallet.
Speaker 1: And I am Tiffany but much better known as the
Speaker 1: Budget Lista and I'm a financial educator, best selling author, speaker, teacher,
Speaker 1: all things personal finance. Basically, on this podcast, we're we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about career, relationships, life and living
Speaker 1: in this brown skin.
Speaker 5: We work, we start businesses, we help one another. We
Speaker 5: do everything we can to make a better life for ourselves.
Speaker 5: And that's what Brown Ambition is all about. So here
Speaker 5: are some topics you might hear us talk about on
Speaker 5: the podcast.
Speaker 1: How to deal with office bulliefes and microaggressions, Coping with
Speaker 1: being the only one in the office, Yes, how to.
Speaker 2: Get money for a new business even when you have
Speaker 2: no idea what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Should you care if people think you have resting bitch
Speaker 1: base guilty? What to do when by earns less than
Speaker 1: you guilty guilty, Whether or not we should use the
Speaker 1: word bay in everyday conversations.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts about this, but the
Speaker 3: way that we were so green and young in love
Speaker 3: in our relationships, I wondered, if you can think I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously there's the I mean, it could be more different
Speaker 3: than it was ten years ago, nine years ago when
Speaker 3: we aired, when we recorded that episode, But I wanted
Speaker 3: to reflect on us as like, were you specifically and
Speaker 3: how you feel like you've grown as you know, someone
Speaker 3: in love someone, how you approach your romantic relationships, your
Speaker 3: your idea of partnership and how that changed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to think, how what year did
Speaker 2: we start Brandonbishing again?
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen?
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, So I was thirty.
Speaker 3: Five and when you said you said that on the
Speaker 3: show on the first episode, really I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I'm the exact same age as Tiffany.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, be grown not growl maybe being baby tipically, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that's so crazy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was thirty five and Jirelle and I
Speaker 1: had started dating again at thirty four, so we I
Speaker 1: met him in my mid twenties, early to mid twenties.
Speaker 2: We dated a little bit when we were thirty, but
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Really focused on Bujanisa and then at thirty four, we
Speaker 1: were like, okay, let's like, we'll we go for this.
Speaker 1: So by then we probably were dating for like, if
Speaker 1: not a year, nearly a year, so he wasn't new
Speaker 1: to me. You know, this is somebody who, like I
Speaker 1: cared about.
Speaker 3: For vera think you guys were living together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if we either, I had just moved in
Speaker 1: because like, because I remember he was because I lived
Speaker 1: around the corner.
Speaker 2: He was like, you always over here, which is something
Speaker 2: droll say, you might as well just move in. So
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know but then two years later we'd
Speaker 1: be married. But yeah, then I was My thoughts about
Speaker 1: love then were I was ready to settle down. I
Speaker 1: had been doing budget easta for a while and I
Speaker 1: hated coming home after something amazing happened. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it was just like me and I just realized that
Speaker 1: I wanted more than just whatever financial business success could bring.
Speaker 1: That I want a companionship. And you know, I had
Speaker 1: always really cared about Durell and he just was always
Speaker 1: kind and sweet and considerate. And I think by when
Speaker 1: by that time I knew I wanted to marry him,
Speaker 1: I think I probably already gave him a ultimatum, because
Speaker 1: I said, you got about one year, sir, It'll take
Speaker 1: a whole year to recognize sunshine. That's what I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, December thirty. First you either go and have
Speaker 1: a roommate or what did I tell him? I said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a fiance or a new roommate. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, by the next year, he'd asked me to
Speaker 1: marry him. And then we got married at thirty when
Speaker 1: I was thirty seven, so the year after that and yeah,
Speaker 1: so my approach to dating is still kind of the.
Speaker 3: Dating, but like a partnership. Like when you were you
Speaker 3: were literally like Darrell at the time, you were approaching
Speaker 3: the kind of partner that you wanted at the time,
Speaker 3: and you were such a different place blank slate, whereas
Speaker 3: now we know you gotta boy.
Speaker 1: So I'm a partner now, But it's different in that
Speaker 1: then I was very, very very focused on getting married,
Speaker 1: focus on getting married.
Speaker 2: I want to have kids, I want to get married.
Speaker 2: I won't have kids, wan't get married.
Speaker 1: So that is not the same That urgency is not
Speaker 1: there where if I were to get married again, okay,
Speaker 1: if not, Okay, Honestly, I'm literally like however, the wind blows,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to have children, so I don't
Speaker 1: have an urgency. I'm just in partnership now. I'm just seeking,
Speaker 1: like truly a partnership, somebody who is kind to who's considered,
Speaker 1: someone who I can trust. And but I'm not concerned
Speaker 1: if I get married or not. You know, if that happens,
Speaker 1: they'd have to be pretty amazing. I mean, like, my
Speaker 1: partner now is great, but there's a different level of
Speaker 1: great now. Doctor Green reminded me. She said, this is
Speaker 1: a different type of dating that happens before and after marriage, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: She said, because before marriage, you're guessing what kind of
Speaker 1: partner you need. You know, You're like, oh, I want this,
Speaker 1: I want that, I want this and that. And she said,
Speaker 1: after marriage, you're like, I kind of know, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's different. Like if so my partner now, for example,
Speaker 1: if I had never been married before, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'd marry him because he has all the
Speaker 1: fairy tale checklist things that you'd want. But Tiffany, who's
Speaker 1: been married, is like, girl, we need a little more.
Speaker 2: Of thistle or you know, the real deal, because.
Speaker 1: Child, I mean, you know, every married, one will tell
Speaker 1: you is not always easy. And so there's some components
Speaker 1: that you're just like aside from the checklist, a good
Speaker 1: person kind, but there's some other things and so like
Speaker 1: I am, you know, like if I don't have those things,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with not getting married because child, you know,
Speaker 1: marrying the wrong person. I didn't marry the wrong person.
Speaker 1: But marrying the wrong person, you know, is hell and
Speaker 1: a headache. And I'm not interested in that because you
Speaker 1: had the fairy tale thing. So that's where I am
Speaker 1: now where I'm really content with my love life and
Speaker 1: dating life now if it grows and matures into something
Speaker 1: more great, and if not, I'll never be alone. I
Speaker 1: got sisters and friends, Okay, I'll be right a man
Speaker 1: his house, Like, hey, hey Benbino, I'm yet t t.
Speaker 3: I would love that you have no idea the way
Speaker 3: that I get jealous when I think about like your
Speaker 3: you know, your friends, who are your neighbors just down
Speaker 3: the street. I'm like, oh, what would life be if
Speaker 3: Tiffany was just around the corner? I would never go
Speaker 3: home or you would never go home.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, tip my babies off.
Speaker 3: That's what it's really better this way the biggest thing
Speaker 3: for Oh and okay, I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 3: But I did want to be before we moved too
Speaker 3: far away from the pack panny thing. I went and
Speaker 3: found the name. I was like, what was the name
Speaker 3: of that episode? Do you know what the name of
Speaker 3: the episode was?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. We just went ahead and put
Speaker 3: it in the title no More Raggedy Underwear.
Speaker 2: Oh now, what's that? Wow?
Speaker 3: Episode twenty six Okay, it wasn't like episode two. You know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of life. We went through a
Speaker 3: lot to that first year of the podcast. Because I'm
Speaker 3: looking at these titles, I'm like, Tiffany makes a big
Speaker 3: baby decision. That's when I think you were talking about,
Speaker 3: like I'm going for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked.
Speaker 3: I mean we had to go through the election together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the twenty sixteen election. That was both of our engagements.
Speaker 3: Our episode fifteen put a ring on it when I
Speaker 3: say this title, what do you remember what this is about? Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe you will, maybe you won't. Episode fourteen, Gifted Hands,
Speaker 3: foolish mind. No, you know, remember think about the election cycle,
Speaker 3: think about a politician gifted hands.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say Gifted Hands is the name
Speaker 2: of the Oh Ben Carson.
Speaker 3: Ben Carson, remember he was like, wasn't he like running
Speaker 3: for office or something?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: He just yeah, it brings it back.
Speaker 2: Man, what a legacy burner.
Speaker 3: Some of our earliest guests, I mean we didn't have
Speaker 3: I mean, we were small. I mean I don't even
Speaker 3: think how could you compare our side to any other
Speaker 3: podcasts They were so new. But our earliest guest morgan
Speaker 3: to on a blavity that was our first like I
Speaker 3: thought it was a back yeah, and afrotech. Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be an afrotech. There was also Lovey was one
Speaker 3: of our very first guests. Oh my days. But we
Speaker 3: didn't we we I feel like we decided early on,
Speaker 3: like this magic of us being in the like road
Speaker 3: tripping together. It kind of felt like, you know, Thelma
Speaker 3: and Louise every time we started a show, like not
Speaker 3: to drive off a cliff, but to be side by side.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's fun looking at these Why every
Speaker 3: woman needs an FU fund No more raggedy underwear Wanda has.
Speaker 3: Wanda has zero FS to give.
Speaker 2: I wonder what happened there, but I know Wanda's what
Speaker 2: I call my eighty year.
Speaker 3: Old Wanda is what you call your eighty year old self. Okay, Now, friendship.
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about our friendship. You, I think,
Speaker 3: in small spurts have mentioned your shift as a friend
Speaker 3: and like the kind of friendship that you ten years
Speaker 3: ago started the show where we had patients for and like,
Speaker 3: how like what have you learned about like keeping certain
Speaker 3: people in your life and exercising certain people from your
Speaker 3: life over the past ten years, because that's definitely been
Speaker 3: a theme of your growth. If I think, excuse me, think.
Speaker 1: Back to well, remember like we had I don't know
Speaker 1: if we had an episode we talked about bully friends.
Speaker 3: Remember, oh yeah, I mean was that a whole We
Speaker 3: definitely talked about bully friends and that I got very
Speaker 3: afraid that I was your bully friend.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And so so I used to have
Speaker 1: I mean ever since I was little, you know, I
Speaker 1: just had this I don't know, this thought that brought
Speaker 1: on that I it was okay to mistreat me, you know,
Speaker 1: in friendship. And so I always had a bully friend
Speaker 1: and typically you know, she was it typically was a girl,
Speaker 1: and she probably was my best friend at the time.
Speaker 2: I think about my college in college.
Speaker 1: I think about certainly some of my elementary and middle
Speaker 1: school of friends, and even as a grown adult, I
Speaker 1: got rid of my last bully friend. I was like,
Speaker 1: thirty nine, I'm sure she's probably gonna be like because
Speaker 1: she's hyper.
Speaker 2: Sensitive, because anybody should see anything, girl, it's happening to
Speaker 2: blow it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because I'm like whatever, because the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is everybody around bullies knows, but bullies all,
Speaker 1: you know, especially like a sensitive bully who's like not me,
Speaker 1: but seically the people be knowing. Because I used to
Speaker 1: be an enabler too. When I saw her bullying, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, well, I know, but you know, I just
Speaker 1: she well, you know, I kind of would just but
Speaker 1: if someone would say something, I'd be like, we all know,
Speaker 1: you know so, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't tolerate that anymore.
Speaker 1: So, you know, i'd gotten rid of, I would say,
Speaker 1: the bulk of my bully friends after I graduated college,
Speaker 1: but I still had some remnants of a handful of
Speaker 1: people who you know, kind of just came into the
Speaker 1: future with me. And then finally my final one was Yeah,
Speaker 1: around thirty nine forty, I think I was saying I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go into forty with this kind of
Speaker 1: relationship anymore.
Speaker 2: And I cut it off.
Speaker 1: And you know when you've done the right thing about
Speaker 1: letting someone go. I mean, I didn't just cut it
Speaker 1: off like I stopped talking. I said, hey, it's not
Speaker 1: this is not happening anymore, and you can't have access
Speaker 1: to me, you can't be a part of my life.
Speaker 2: I just made that clear. So it wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't just ghost.
Speaker 3: And it was like, if you don't fix, like, here's
Speaker 3: the things you need to fix, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1: Like prior to that, we've had those conversations. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like it wasn't just out of the blue. It
Speaker 1: was like we had those conversations. We had to conversation. Honestly,
Speaker 1: she was really I look back and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wish I could go back and cuss her the hell out,
Speaker 1: like the Tiffany I am now, because there was some
Speaker 1: stuff like yeah, because honestly, there's some things. What I've
Speaker 1: learned now is that bullies, people bully friends like that
Speaker 1: don't treat everyone that way. They know kind of who
Speaker 1: will allow for the bad behavior, and they don't start
Speaker 1: off that way, but once they start to realize that,
Speaker 1: I would allow for the beast behave. You know, you
Speaker 1: say something slick and I don't correct it, you say
Speaker 1: something mean, I don't correct. I remember like she used
Speaker 1: to call me stupid, yes, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: What context like, So it was wild kind of like stupid,
Speaker 4: you know, because it would be like, girl, you know,
Speaker 4: you're just so stupid and I'd be like, because I'd
Speaker 4: be like it was borderline like you stupid but not quiet,
Speaker 4: and I'd be like, don't say that, you know, I
Speaker 4: told you I don't like when you say that, and
Speaker 4: she'd be like, oh gosh, girl, you just I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, I'd just be playing and things like that
Speaker 4: would come up where I'd be like, I feel like
Speaker 4: there's an undertone here, you know, like it's not given.
Speaker 2: Like girls stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like more like or I remember because
Speaker 1: low key, high key I know she was jealous of
Speaker 1: my business. I said it girl, you know you were,
Speaker 1: And I know someone's gonna show this to her and
Speaker 1: she's gonna listen and say this is what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't care honestly that it's happening.
Speaker 1: Because everyone everyone was so afraid to tell her about herself,
Speaker 1: and it's it's as a result, you know, she she
Speaker 1: morphed into a person that people did not want to
Speaker 1: be around.
Speaker 2: Certainly, it's not like she doesn't have any friends.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I knew that it was the
Speaker 1: right choice because after I stopped being her friend and
Speaker 1: I kind of let my friends know, everybody was like final,
Speaker 1: freakingly the hell, And literally there were people who had
Speaker 1: stopped coming around as much that I didn't realize. They
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I didn't want to come to your events.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to come to your parties. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to because I didn't you know, she's nasty, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow. So the place I am in now
Speaker 1: is that when I look at every single person, like
Speaker 1: you you came to my house for my birthday, the
Speaker 1: level of love and openness, like, I am inundated with love.
Speaker 2: You know, I over index in good kind people.
Speaker 1: There is not even a whiff of nastiness or bullingness
Speaker 1: or in any of the people that I surround myself with.
Speaker 1: And I always thought that if I was overtly nice,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of energy you got back. But what
Speaker 1: I learned is that's not true, that clearest kind. And
Speaker 1: I am very clear with anyone who enters into my
Speaker 1: life newly that I will not tolerate, you know, mistreatment.
Speaker 1: I remember my bully friend used to say things like
Speaker 1: because she she had her own business, she would say
Speaker 1: things like we would be talking about somebody with a business, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that business does good, and they would have hit a
Speaker 1: milestone and I'll say, well, I hit that milestone. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like for real, like they hit that milestone for real.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, you know.
Speaker 1: But so there was a constant like devaluing of me
Speaker 1: as a person, but me as a business person. And
Speaker 1: that's when I realized, oh, that's just called jealousy because
Speaker 1: we had started our business around the same time and
Speaker 1: quite yeah, no, yeah, And here's the thing, you know, me,
Speaker 1: I'm always the alleyber. I mean, I'm gonna put you on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say your name, I'm gonna put you into rooms.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, and so so I was doing that.
Speaker 1: And I realized that like I was the only one
Speaker 1: doing that, and then my my act was being misused
Speaker 1: and people who I was giving folks giving her access
Speaker 1: to she was mistreating, and so they would come back
Speaker 1: to me and say, hey, you know, I wasn't treated right.
Speaker 1: And then that's when I realized that aside from the
Speaker 1: personal part, the professional part also had to disable and
Speaker 1: so old Tiffany would be like, oh, don't say all
Speaker 1: this stuff, Tiffany. Now, I'm okay with it because the
Speaker 1: truth is the truth. And maybe she's different now, but
Speaker 1: quite honestly, I don't care. I mean, I prayerfully, I
Speaker 1: hope all things are well, but there's no access here,
Speaker 1: like I don't you know, like I don't you know,
Speaker 1: there's no a day has not passed. I've missed that friendship,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit. That's how you knew it
Speaker 1: was really toxic. And I had participated in it. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you know, this is not don't cry
Speaker 1: for me, Argentina. I allowed, I did not correct, you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, I enabled the bad behavior. But I
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore. So my friendships now, like I
Speaker 1: just look for good kind people. If I am afraid
Speaker 1: to tell you how I feel, and if I'm afraid,
Speaker 1: you know, to show up fully as myself, then I
Speaker 1: know this is not a friendship. Or even a connection
Speaker 1: that I want to keep up with. And so when
Speaker 1: I look around now, like you know, I've never felt
Speaker 1: more blessed, which is so crazy.
Speaker 2: Because Darrell's not here, but I am in such a
Speaker 2: good place, like despite that great loss.
Speaker 1: And I have to really credit him because Darrell was
Speaker 1: not you know, he wasn't about that life anybody bullying him.
Speaker 2: So losing him, it's almost like I absorb some of
Speaker 2: his nerve and gall you know, because.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff to drug. Did not put
Speaker 1: up with the bullshit, you know, I w was tell
Speaker 1: him like, oh baby, people like what you want me
Speaker 1: to talk to her?
Speaker 2: Because you want you know, I'm like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: do you know?
Speaker 1: And so you know, so there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Darrell lived this like free, beautiful life.
Speaker 1: He was kind to people and he was honest, but
Speaker 1: he was also like, you know, like I'm all with
Speaker 1: you on and so I felt like I absorbed some
Speaker 1: of that, Like I'm not afraid of people anymore. You
Speaker 1: can't talk to me any kind of way. Be careful
Speaker 1: what you say about me in these streets, because I
Speaker 1: promise you the person that you you think you key
Speaker 1: key in with I probably helped them in the past,
Speaker 1: and they're really looking at you like you're crazy.
Speaker 2: The things have come back to me. I'm like, oh really, see.
Speaker 1: She was about to get the opportunity, didn't she fucking
Speaker 1: up herself thinking that she's gonna fuck it up for me?
Speaker 2: Not me, girl, Because the.
Speaker 1: Thing is, I try to move right and tight. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind to people, I'm honest, I don't take advantage.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just a different Tiffany, Like I am
Speaker 1: much tougher. I'm kinder, meaning I'm clearer, but I'm also
Speaker 1: much tougher. So yeah, my stance on friendship now is
Speaker 1: like like your reaction to me telling you that I
Speaker 1: think it's time for me to leave brand ambition is
Speaker 1: the type of friendship that I seek.
Speaker 2: Now, one where it is safe to say that I
Speaker 2: did not feel unsafe.
Speaker 1: I was I don't want to say worried, but like
Speaker 1: sad because I didn't want to make you feel sad
Speaker 1: or make you think that I was leaving because you
Speaker 1: did anything.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't scared to tell you yeah, because I thought.
Speaker 1: That you'd be like, well, that's well, you're not my friend,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean that it was just more
Speaker 1: so like, oh man, this is a sad feeling, and
Speaker 1: I know it's going to bring up feelings of sadness,
Speaker 1: but I'm not afraid of Mandy or think that Mandy's
Speaker 1: gonna weaponize this to hurt me. And so that's the
Speaker 1: kind of friendship that we should be able to say
Speaker 1: the hard things in a kind way in a safe space.
Speaker 1: And everybody who's close to me I have that with him. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: are you making new friends today? At some I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, you know, I don't open the
Speaker 1: doors quite as easily because when i'm your friend, girl,
Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: I like to go above and beyond.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't have a ton of capacity
Speaker 1: for like a bajillion folks. But obviously some people, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to make their way. I'm like, they're trying to
Speaker 1: making their way down to well get fast, and I say,
Speaker 1: we'll see because actions speak louder than words, and so
Speaker 1: you know, not that I get people tests or anything,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, you know, if this is truly
Speaker 1: going to develop into a friendship, then it will. So
Speaker 1: I'm open to friend and ships, but I'm certainly not
Speaker 1: chasing after.
Speaker 3: Them, gotcha. Yeah. My therapist reminded me after my big
Speaker 3: friendship breakup last year, was like, you know, and you
Speaker 3: can make new friends, and I was like, oh the work,
Speaker 3: but yeah, there's Yeah, I've learned a lot from from
Speaker 3: like your pro like the way that you've shared stories
Speaker 3: about your friendships over the years. I know we always
Speaker 3: talk about that one, but because obviously it was like
Speaker 3: it's like my one, I'll probably still be talking about
Speaker 3: her in ten years. But yeah, I think that kind
Speaker 3: of transparency is just it's just why everyone loves you,
Speaker 3: why this show is so different. Okay, so episode eighty seven,
Speaker 3: Tiffany is going to bring us into our next category,
Speaker 3: which is health. Because episode eighty seven was called you
Speaker 3: ready if you had to guess?
Speaker 2: No, that was later water.
Speaker 3: To get there. Why if I have to spend every hour,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find every clip of you talking about a
Speaker 3: new workout routine and how this is the best thing.
Speaker 3: It's my my brown boost this week, I'm walking that,
Speaker 3: I'm jumping rope, I always drinking water. I don't know
Speaker 3: how many trainers were the brown boost one a week
Speaker 3: and we never heard about them. Again.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just one Jeremiah, I Kana Jeremiah.
Speaker 3: There was vegan Tiffany. Oh yeah here in the beginning.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been through a day, Oh Tiffany.
Speaker 3: There was probably the meal kit delivery phase. I had
Speaker 3: one of those. Yes, there was the shopping at Whole
Speaker 3: Foods girls.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: But anyway, this episode is actually called Fibroids and Finances.
Speaker 3: So I I think you've been so transparent. The whole
Speaker 3: fibroid conversation came up because of your fertility journey.
Speaker 1: Speaking of bad things to you to do is this
Speaker 1: is a random but I went to the doctor today.
Speaker 2: Everybody shit gown.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys probably go I'm the worst. I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna lie. I am the absolute worst with
Speaker 1: going to the doctor.
Speaker 3: Like a physical.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to when men want to have a
Speaker 1: super well, we want to have a super baby. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I have to make sure that,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I've had like I've gone to the
Speaker 1: regular doctor. That's like, oh, that's pretty easy. You know
Speaker 1: I've done that.
Speaker 2: You know, I get my yearly physicals.
Speaker 1: But the Guiana for some reason, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just the weirdness of hey, there's my vagina.
Speaker 2: You're looking in there, you know, if that's why you know.
Speaker 2: But so I went and I found out that I
Speaker 2: have five boyds.
Speaker 1: I did not know, like even though it's probably the
Speaker 1: only thing, and I don't want to say it runs
Speaker 1: in my family, but I'm not the only one in
Speaker 1: my family. So but we're like, we don't there's no
Speaker 1: there's no history of like asthma or diabetes or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, like when you check off the list.
Speaker 2: Like there's none of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but fiend seem to be like a semi reoccurring theme.
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to honestly speak with
Speaker 1: a woman doctor who this is her specialty, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to Russian and get something done and then I,
Speaker 1: you know, I take away the chance of me being
Speaker 1: able to have children. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like catch us up, I mean, if you
Speaker 3: don't mind, well, as far as it's up on what
Speaker 3: has happened and what the effect has been with your
Speaker 3: body and like what looking back now, I don't know
Speaker 3: what would you say to people who are maybe like
Speaker 3: on that similar journey or facing fibroids or something like
Speaker 3: that today.
Speaker 2: So well, first fib words, just for those who don't know.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like, there are tumors that are not
Speaker 1: that are benign, that live in and outside of a
Speaker 1: woman's uterus and can prevent you from having children because
Speaker 1: they take up the space in the uterus that a
Speaker 1: kid would grow. So some women will and typically the
Speaker 1: issue with fibroids is that as the baby grows, so
Speaker 1: does the fibroid, you know, or fibroids. I had like
Speaker 1: seventeen of them, and they.
Speaker 2: Were the sex.
Speaker 1: I used to always have this a little bit of
Speaker 1: a belly and I was like, word, but it was
Speaker 1: a weird belly because it wasn't like.
Speaker 2: I can't describe it. There was like the belly where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh no, that's a little fat.
Speaker 1: But it poked almost like you know how men have
Speaker 1: like a beer belly where it pokes in a weird way.
Speaker 1: So I look back at pictures and I just started saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just so greedy a girl.
Speaker 2: I got a belly.
Speaker 1: But I looked the belly said sat high, you know.
Speaker 1: And at the time I didn't know what it was,
Speaker 1: and I was full of fiveboids. And I didn't find
Speaker 1: out until I had gotten naturally pregnant with Darrell, like
Speaker 1: I I was thirty seven, it was like the year
Speaker 1: where he got married, or maybe thirty eight, and I
Speaker 1: was really excited but really nervous. And then I started
Speaker 1: spotting and I just got really nervous and we went
Speaker 1: to the emergency room and they.
Speaker 2: Were like, uh, I don't see a baby. All I
Speaker 2: see is five boids. And I was like, wait what?
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know if I fully eve knew
Speaker 1: what fireboards were then, and I ended up having a miscarriage.
Speaker 1: And so in large part because the fireboards were like
Speaker 1: your body knows there's no room here, so what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do?
Speaker 2: And so I went to.
Speaker 1: A gynecologist, and if I'm being honest, I'm until that
Speaker 1: I had not been going to a doctor regularly because
Speaker 1: I had no money and I didn't have health insurance
Speaker 1: because you know, business owner, and I had been largely
Speaker 1: celebrated for a while before I met Jarelle.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of like, well, my vagian is.
Speaker 3: Fine because fiberds like they don't have their asymptomatic I
Speaker 3: mean yeah, well like walk around with them and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean now with them going I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what that feeling was.
Speaker 1: Certainly there can be like pressure and uncomfortable, a feeling
Speaker 1: of being uncomfortable during sex, which I did have, but
Speaker 1: I just kind of was like, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: then like I felt like now like it was like
Speaker 1: a ball that I could especially one of them was
Speaker 1: pretty big because collectively they were the size of me
Speaker 1: being four months pregnant. So I imagine, man, that's what
Speaker 1: the kind of like stomach was. And so the doctors like,
Speaker 1: you don't feel like I hear them like I do,
Speaker 1: but I've never not felt it because they grow over time.
Speaker 1: So I just was like, that's just how it feels,
Speaker 1: you know, my tummy feels, and there's pressure on my bladder,
Speaker 1: and certainly they can cause for heavier periods. So I
Speaker 1: had all these things, but I didn't know these were simpsons.
Speaker 1: I just thought, I'm a woman, this is just woman life.
Speaker 1: And then so I had them taken out, like literally
Speaker 1: they cut you open like I have a the scar
Speaker 1: is largely faded for women who have sea sections.
Speaker 2: It's like the similar sea section bikini line scar.
Speaker 1: And they went in opened up my uterus, took took
Speaker 1: out the ones they could, and they left the ones
Speaker 1: on the outside, so I did, I still have some
Speaker 1: fibroyds because they didn't want to compromise the uterus. They
Speaker 1: wanted to leave it open and clear to have a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of women they go right back.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I became veacan, because
Speaker 1: I had read a lot of like literature that fibroids.
Speaker 1: They're not really sure of the cause, but they suspect.
Speaker 1: I mean, there that's very hormonal. And then the homones
Speaker 1: in the meat, and I stopped eating dairy and just
Speaker 1: like you know, and I have to say, as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, they haven't really grown back inside
Speaker 1: my uterus. You know, my period never went back to
Speaker 1: being heavy again. I don't have like the belly. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got the food belly, but not the vibral million.
Speaker 3: So you have to continue to be concerned about it.
Speaker 3: Like they you know, get them growing back.
Speaker 1: They can't, Yeah, for many women, for they grow back.
Speaker 1: So it depends what concern means, meaning like they can
Speaker 1: make like feel a little uncomfortable, but they're not you know,
Speaker 1: they're not.
Speaker 2: Deadly, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I know, like a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: who are who are older ended up just deciding, you know,
Speaker 1: like in their forties whatever, like if they had their
Speaker 1: kids already, just just say I am just gonna have
Speaker 1: a hysterectomy. Just get rid of them, get rid of
Speaker 1: my uterus. I'm not there yet, So I do have
Speaker 1: like a a guy, you know. I so I used
Speaker 1: to go to Ghana College's damn there every week when
Speaker 1: I was doing IVF for three years because I had
Speaker 1: you know, I used to go to the IVF center
Speaker 1: and you get checked every week. But when girl passed away,
Speaker 1: I just stopped going everywhere. So I'm just now getting
Speaker 1: back to the doctor. So I just found a new guy.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I've had my yeah, because I
Speaker 1: just was because if I'm being honest, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what's happening inside here because I haven't I haven't been
Speaker 1: to colleges in three years, just because I kind of
Speaker 1: just gave up on life.
Speaker 3: And so like, I know, I mean that kind of
Speaker 3: candor is like, yeah, it's real, that's real.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, well, what do I can't you know,
Speaker 1: I can have a baby, I can't, you know, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if I felt like it was kind
Speaker 1: of a reminder. But I remember even when I went
Speaker 1: back to the doctor doctor because I had my first
Speaker 1: doctor's appointment, you know, since he passed away, maybe like
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I see in.
Speaker 1: Your chart this speak gap. And then I just sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know when the tears are going to come up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm fine to say it. And I just told
Speaker 1: her like, oh, yeah, my husb, I've been died. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the hell. But she was so kind, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, that happens a lot, and I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you're taking care of yourself again. You know. I just
Speaker 1: give it a clean bill of health. Although so I
Speaker 1: have pre diabetes since I've be eating sugar a lot,
Speaker 1: I know, but other than that, and so like I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, the next are you really.
Speaker 3: Are you really pre diabetic?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Technically your A one C was like high at your
Speaker 3: last physicle, and she was like.
Speaker 1: Girl, yeah, She was like you need to you know,
Speaker 1: because she was like, you know, you're not necessarily overweight.
Speaker 1: Certainly I could like, you know, slow down and maybe
Speaker 1: lose five to ten pounds, but I think it's mostly
Speaker 1: just like my sugar like intake because I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a candy hole like.
Speaker 3: So, but yeah, so I have it's just like a
Speaker 3: genetic thing that your body just doesn't maybe so sugar.
Speaker 3: Yeah that well, So I got such a big scare
Speaker 3: during my most recent pregnancy with the whole diabetes thing.
Speaker 3: So that's a new challenge. Like looking ahead for you
Speaker 3: is like what's the plan there?
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 3: I think it was you had you had had a
Speaker 3: miscarriage and I was pregnant, and I think I told you.
Speaker 3: I forget which one of them came first, but I
Speaker 3: remember having it was off air. I remember having a
Speaker 3: conversation with you about those dual things, and like it
Speaker 3: was you know, it was just one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why I think our friendship is so specials like we
Speaker 3: were able to like acknowledge the fucked up initness of it,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and for you, I just wonder, was there
Speaker 3: anything in particular, like if there's people listening who are
Speaker 3: in that fertility struggle now that you could say to
Speaker 3: like coexist when other people in your life are having
Speaker 3: a different journey. Because I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you remember, but I do remember an episode where
Speaker 1: we talked about children and having kids. It might have
Speaker 1: been it was very early on, and I remember saying,
Speaker 1: and that was true, that I wasn't certain one hundred
Speaker 1: percent that I wanted to be a mom, but I
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent certain that I knew if I didn't.
Speaker 2: Try, I would regret it that I never had this.
Speaker 1: So it's different because there's some people who want to
Speaker 1: be a mom no matter what you know, and if
Speaker 1: you're in that fertility journey and you want to be
Speaker 1: a mom no matter what. I would be open to
Speaker 1: being a mom, no matter what, no matter what it
Speaker 1: might look like, you know, like if you're not able
Speaker 1: to give birth your own children, to consider beyond that.
Speaker 1: But I was never a mom, no matter what.
Speaker 2: Girl.
Speaker 1: I remember distinctly, there's an episode where I said this
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't sure, but I knew, like I
Speaker 1: was in this weird place where it's like you kind
Speaker 1: of make how to make a choice, Tiffany, because in
Speaker 1: your late thirties.
Speaker 2: But I remember I was like, if I was.
Speaker 1: Going to have a child with anyone, Darrell Drake which
Speaker 1: I could say his middle name now, which he hated.
Speaker 3: Sure, Mama, she really did it with those twins names
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: He said, why would you make up Jake because you
Speaker 2: want the name torelph to q Yo. Well, I say
Speaker 2: he hated. Right now, Darrell is like really looking down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, sorry, Jerke's out now.
Speaker 6: Torell and Jirell Terrell Treq and Jirell Jerree crazy work,
Speaker 6: miss Andy, you really did a number because he hated,
Speaker 6: because he was like, it's not even a real name.
Speaker 2: She's just made it up so she could have us
Speaker 2: rhyme clearly. So Jirell Jerique Smith was the only man.
Speaker 2: I told doctor Green, is it strange? I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sad that I don't have a baby right now,
Speaker 1: you know. And she said no, because one you tried.
Speaker 1: And I see now it's almost like there was a
Speaker 1: seed planted that if I had not done the three
Speaker 1: years of IVF almost back to back, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wasn't traveling, I was in this.
Speaker 2: I wasn't that I was.
Speaker 1: If I had not done that, I'll to be sitting
Speaker 1: with so much regret right now, because I know for
Speaker 1: a fact there is nothing more. Literally, the last thing
Speaker 1: the doctor told me, he said, because I think I
Speaker 1: did my last it was thirty nine or forty passed
Speaker 1: away in forty one, so I was like, forty or
Speaker 1: forty one, and he was like, this is the last
Speaker 1: viable embryo that you have to you have no more
Speaker 1: viable eggs, this.
Speaker 2: Is your last viable embryo. And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh.
Speaker 1: And they put that embryo in me in October and
Speaker 1: we prayed and we you know, we hoped that we
Speaker 1: wished and it didn't take, and then Jarrell died in November.
Speaker 1: So I literally did everything possible to have a baby,
Speaker 1: and so I don't live with regret, like, dang, if
Speaker 1: I just would have put the budget Eatha down for
Speaker 1: a little bit girl, you couldn't have worked.
Speaker 2: Let No, I did everything. I gave my last egg,
Speaker 2: I gave my leg, you know.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I realized that's what I needed,
Speaker 1: not necessarily that I for sure one hundred thousand percent
Speaker 1: wanted to be a mom, you know.
Speaker 3: So there's so much consistency in like what you're saying
Speaker 3: now and what you have said. Yeah, that's what I'm noticing,
Speaker 3: Like you've just really stayed true to the values and
Speaker 3: your version of the life that you wanted, and like
Speaker 3: the intention behind why you were making the choices you
Speaker 3: were making. I don't think this is like the kind
Speaker 3: of look back down memory lane where it's like I
Speaker 3: have fundamentally changed the way that I approach X y Z,
Speaker 3: because so much of your authenticity lies in the fact
Speaker 3: that you haven't like you will. You will go after
Speaker 3: those big business goals, but you will have those come
Speaker 3: down to earth moments where it's like wait a second,
Speaker 3: and then you won't wait. You will move forward, you know,
Speaker 3: with that intention. And we did talk about when you
Speaker 3: were like, I'm making getting pregnant like my job, not
Speaker 3: traveling all of that, And it was one of the
Speaker 3: first things I thought about after Durrell's passing was how
Speaker 3: I was like, she really did give it everything, like
Speaker 3: and I felt comforted in the same way you're talking
Speaker 3: about now, because I was like, she literally and it
Speaker 3: wasn't someone it was also it was also just about
Speaker 3: spending time with him. It wasn't just about the baby,
Speaker 3: like you were very intentional.
Speaker 1: You know this like voice you need to It was
Speaker 1: just this deep sense of you need to spend more
Speaker 1: time with your husband, so much so that I hired
Speaker 1: a business coach and a therapist to help me create
Speaker 1: the space, and.
Speaker 2: I just was like, okay.
Speaker 1: Even the same with Brian Ambition. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it was like, it's time to navigate it. It's
Speaker 1: time to leave branh Ambition. It was so crazy. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what, I'm not gonna lie. I was Mandy,
Speaker 1: I was when you called me. We were I was
Speaker 1: in Martha's been year. We was having this chit chat.
Speaker 1: I was just talking and laughing. I Mandy and I
Speaker 1: hung up.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I love Mandy. And the thing
Speaker 2: was like, it's time to leave brand Ambition. And I
Speaker 2: literally said what the hell? I literally said, and I
Speaker 2: said what happened?
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like I don't wait what and it
Speaker 1: was just like yeah, I'm like but nothing, nothing's happened.
Speaker 1: Like me and Mandy just had this great conversation. I
Speaker 1: was trying to like, is there some underlying thing? No,
Speaker 1: but I have learned to be obedient to the larger
Speaker 1: thing when it tells me to move, when it tells
Speaker 1: me to stay. You know, the thing that told me
Speaker 1: try everything you can to have a baby. Not that
Speaker 1: it was going to result in a baby, but it
Speaker 1: was going to result in the peace of trying with
Speaker 1: this man that you love so much that you would
Speaker 1: not have right now, you know. I remember distinctly when
Speaker 1: we Drell always said bye. He died when he was
Speaker 1: forty one, and he had told me I always wanted
Speaker 1: to have a house by age forty, and so we
Speaker 1: bought the house. I think, I want to say Druv
Speaker 1: was thirty eight thirty nine when we bought it, and
Speaker 1: we had finished renovating it, like when he was like forty,
Speaker 1: and I remember my mom was like, you guys are
Speaker 1: in such a rust to decorate, but I wanted everything
Speaker 1: to be perfect. I did not know he was only
Speaker 1: going to be able to enjoy it for like a
Speaker 1: year and a half. And he loved that house. And
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that this thing was like get the
Speaker 1: house together, you know. And so if you have that thing,
Speaker 1: that third man syndrome that's kind of whispering to you
Speaker 1: it's time to leave that job, or you should be
Speaker 1: considered this, or is that person really your friend, or
Speaker 1: spend more time with your kids, or like to be
Speaker 1: open to listening to whatever that thing is, because you
Speaker 1: don't know, like we all just assume we have time.
Speaker 3: And you just might not we don't really talk about
Speaker 3: religion a lot. But do you call that voice God? Like,
Speaker 3: how do you?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do, It doesn't even matter.
Speaker 3: It's just a voice, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I call it like the divine.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a greater source. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I sometimes for sure, honestly, sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is clearly God, because it'll be like it's you
Speaker 1: need to do this thing. And then sometimes it's a
Speaker 1: softer energy, you know. And I don't know if we
Speaker 1: have guardian angels.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, who knows.
Speaker 1: It could be an ancestor from the past. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: energy is softer and sometimes energy. There are there's times
Speaker 1: when I have no doubt that the energy to me
Speaker 1: is God when it you know, because it's so clear.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes when it's softer, sometimes honestly God.
Speaker 2: I mean. Durell will come to me in a dream.
Speaker 2: He used to tell me this.
Speaker 1: He us to say sometimes his mother visits him in dreams.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you know it's dream of her?
Speaker 1: And he said, no, I know when I'm dreaming about her.
Speaker 2: Awake up. I'm like, oh, I had a dream about
Speaker 2: my mom, he said.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I will literally sit with her in the
Speaker 1: dream and we'll talk and I'll ask her questions, and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, huh, I've never had that experience,
Speaker 1: but no one ever passed away in my life that
Speaker 1: was close enough. And there are moments now where there
Speaker 1: are times when I will dream about Jerrelle and there
Speaker 1: are times where he will visit me in a dream
Speaker 1: where it's so clear that like this is some other
Speaker 1: thing and I am talking to him and I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't know what this wife life hold and.
Speaker 2: The Divine God love, whatever you call it. I just
Speaker 2: know that there's something bigger than me.
Speaker 1: And I'm just open to like receiving messages because I
Speaker 1: realize now that, like you know, we're not out here
Speaker 1: by ourselves, and oftentimes those messages come from just a
Speaker 1: higher vantage point of more wisdom than I'm just open
Speaker 1: to being like, Okay, if you say it's time, then
Speaker 1: it's time. And when I haven't listened, like it's recathock.
Speaker 1: I got one of those lessons when it told me
Speaker 1: the time to leave preschool teaching preschool and I love
Speaker 1: teaching preschool, and I refuse.
Speaker 2: Actually I said, nah. It was like again time to leave.
Speaker 1: No no, no, and it then preached my preschool closed
Speaker 1: and left me with nothing, and I lost my condo
Speaker 1: and I lost my car, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, damn, I should have left, one said, because
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: Have left with money saved and things, you know, And
Speaker 1: so that was kind of like my first lesson of
Speaker 1: listening and obedience and alignment.
Speaker 3: You know that you know that you're never even to
Speaker 3: like slow down and then to share it and to
Speaker 3: a lot of times, at least for me, that's one
Speaker 3: of the reasons I journal is because it slows my
Speaker 3: brain down and I can kind of get to a
Speaker 3: feeling or a clarity. But you have to be in
Speaker 3: a headspace, like you have to be willing just to
Speaker 3: just to sort of like surrender almost surrender to the
Speaker 3: fact that the answer may not be what you thought
Speaker 3: it would be yes or wanted it.
Speaker 1: Why nothing's wrong, everything's good this person of the day,
Speaker 1: you're like, because not realizing that, like there's a bigger
Speaker 1: thing happening that you need to be positioned for. It's
Speaker 1: not the loss of something, it's to being able to
Speaker 1: have the space to receive this other thing.
Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, so yeah, wow, Okay, I I
Speaker 3: know that. I know if I'm looking at the clock
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't care, I'm taking every last minute.
Speaker 3: It's funny how you just answer the questions I was
Speaker 3: going to ask anyway. I was going to like, what
Speaker 3: would you say to someone building that personal brand today
Speaker 3: and any advice, And it feels like it's like that
Speaker 3: can be a huge asset if leveraged the right way.
Speaker 3: And I also hear that to get to that nine
Speaker 3: those steps, it's like every step beneath that builds you
Speaker 3: up to the stage where networking can be so powerful. Yes,
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily happen unless you are like building strategically,
Speaker 3: but the budget.
Speaker 1: Let's me go into those rooms to be clear that
Speaker 1: if I had not started, you know, in that way,
Speaker 1: it's like who you you know?
Speaker 2: So no I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that Tiffany using her personality, you
Speaker 1: know that I am allowed to go into these rooms because.
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, yes, yes, yes, i know I've
Speaker 2: heard of you. And then it allows you to to
Speaker 2: do that work.
Speaker 3: But you know, literally just got an email today, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: I was gonna afford it too. It was like from
Speaker 3: a sponsor that my manager was reaching out to in anyway. Literally,
Speaker 3: the email was Mandy's smaller than most of the influences
Speaker 3: we work with, so we're going to pass for now.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's true, that your platform is an asset,
Speaker 3: and it's like, that's the drive to build Bill Bilder.
Speaker 2: Please let me tell you something. People still be hitting
Speaker 2: up with it. We got fifteen hundred dollars. We ain't
Speaker 2: got no money like I think. I just let's let's
Speaker 2: be clear. I love you. I just did a post
Speaker 2: about this the other day.
Speaker 1: She was like, Uh, if you want to speak at
Speaker 1: your conference and you talk about you got five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: please don't reach out.
Speaker 2: That is very common. I get reached out to four
Speaker 2: or five times a.
Speaker 1: Week, and I would say eighty percent of the budgets
Speaker 1: are under five thousand dollars. So the audacity is still brewery,
Speaker 1: Like it's the girls are like, just saw you in
Speaker 1: today's show, So for two dollars it's of peanuts.
Speaker 2: Could you come out? And so don't. I don't want
Speaker 2: anybody to feel bad that that still happens. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, obviously, well, even with the massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, I don't you know. And I will say
Speaker 1: this because I have a mentee. He has a mass.
Speaker 1: She has a massive, massive, probably like ten times the
Speaker 1: size of my platform.
Speaker 2: And guess what she is.
Speaker 1: And I had told her this when I met her
Speaker 1: two years ago. I said, girl, I know right now
Speaker 1: you have it a good time. I can see you
Speaker 1: have it a good time. Slow down, slow down and
Speaker 1: build the thing that's going to take over when you
Speaker 1: don't want to dance for a dollar anymore, because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna want it. She's like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to get to twenty million dollars. I said,
Speaker 1: before you get there, I promise you you're going to
Speaker 1: burn out, and if you don't have that thing in place,
Speaker 1: then you're going to have to build that thing during burnout.
Speaker 1: She didn't listen because she's young, in her twenties, and
Speaker 1: so now she's building during burnout, of building thing that
Speaker 1: will take the place to make the money because she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to dance for a dollar. And so if
Speaker 1: there is one big piece of advice I can tell
Speaker 1: to business owners who building personality brands is to you know,
Speaker 1: build your personality brand, but save twenty percent of your
Speaker 1: energy to build the thing, build your tool, your product,
Speaker 1: your resources that you're going to have in place when
Speaker 1: you want to take a step back. So you are
Speaker 1: exactly where you're supposed to be and further along than
Speaker 1: most I told you that you are. It took me
Speaker 1: years to get to where you're getting now, you know,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know, like, oh, I should be building something.
Speaker 1: I didn't build the literature Academy till like year seven
Speaker 1: of the Budgetista. You're seven, you know you started building
Speaker 1: both simultaneously.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well I had a bit of a I
Speaker 3: had a bit of a benefit getting to get warmed
Speaker 3: by your glow and.
Speaker 2: Your life all these years make it like I pe
Speaker 2: on you warmed by my glove.
Speaker 3: This is not at all what anyone was thinking about.
Speaker 3: I was going to go back to the seedling. I'm
Speaker 3: a seedling, and I wasn't your light helped me grow?
Speaker 3: My God, I thought I was gonna like cry during
Speaker 3: this episode, But it's just been so fun.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: I love walking down. I love you too. I forgot
Speaker 3: to be sex. I was having so much fun. That's
Speaker 3: brown ambition in a nutshell, But I'm glad this was
Speaker 3: fun to look back and to just like walk down
Speaker 3: and you know, I know you did most of the
Speaker 3: enlightening and sharing, but really I just wanted to acknowledge how,
Speaker 3: for how many years you have been gracing us with
Speaker 3: this wit and wisdom and honesty and candor and transparency,
Speaker 3: and how it's going to be so different without you.
Speaker 3: And I'm just so grateful for the time that we
Speaker 3: have had together. And I'm like, oh, did I really
Speaker 3: take it? Did I really like, you know, enjoy it
Speaker 3: and live in the moment and recognize what how special
Speaker 3: was at the time. And I'm like, yeah, I knew
Speaker 3: it was special all along, but still it's nice to
Speaker 3: go back. I can reflect, Yeah, that wasn't too painful
Speaker 3: for you, No, it was great, honestly, like raggedy underwear,
Speaker 3: you know me, I don't talk about to mention the pandemic,
Speaker 3: the Black Lives Matter movement, like the life we have lived.
Speaker 2: I know, we have really lived.
Speaker 1: Like one day when the aliens come and they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, hmmm, a snapshot of black brown life and
Speaker 1: say like, oh yeah, for real, Like we literally we
Speaker 1: have this amazing cross section where you can just see growth.
Speaker 1: So I'm just really grateful and I have enjoyed it
Speaker 1: here and it was not my intention. It just was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's time, because i can feel it
Speaker 1: like it's time, and I'm not really sure why there's
Speaker 1: like nothing cued up. I'm just kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm just listening and I've learned not to listen.
Speaker 3: It's way worse.
Speaker 2: And so but I'm excited because it's also the Broada
Speaker 2: mission continues. That part was very clear to me. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like I'm leaving and it closed.
Speaker 1: That was always like no, no, no, that I'm transitioning
Speaker 1: and brown and mission transitions forward, and so I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: Like what you do with it.
Speaker 3: Not a perfect segue into our next episode, you guys,
Speaker 3: stay tuned because part two of the series, Tiffany's eras
Speaker 3: Tiffany's Legacy, We're going to be looking forward and actually
Speaker 3: taking some time to think about what could be next
Speaker 3: and answer some of y'all's questions even if we can't
Speaker 3: answer it fully and just talk about the future. But
Speaker 3: this was fun looking backward and how it'll inform our
Speaker 3: next steps together. So Ba fam, we love you so much.
Speaker 3: Take some time to leave a review if you've already
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Speaker 2: I'm glat Expedia.
Speaker 3: Never like sue us. Alright, the a VM Bye bye