1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Way, what's up? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: His way up with angela Ye, and I'm here with 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: doctor Christopher J. Allen aka Sleep Doctor Chris. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me, Thank you for having me here. 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: I got to ask you. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Because we were talking all things in Michigan behind the scenes. 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: You're from saganaw but you went to medical school at 8 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Wayne State University. 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: Wayne State University School of Medicine. 10 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: And you also went to Howard though before that. 11 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: Yep. So always yeah. You know, it's funny because I 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: have a lot of many second homes and Detroit will 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: always be my second home, but DC too, and so okay, 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: you know, shout out to you know hu. 15 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: You know now you have a sleep doctor Chris song. 16 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: Yes, I do, I do. 17 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Who did that song? 18 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: You know? It's just funny. It's a story behind that 19 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: because I've been doing, like you know, been a sleep 20 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: doctor for about almost a decade now, and last two 21 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: years I decided to go on to social media and 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: just put my platform out there. I love talking about sleep, 23 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: I love telling people how to get quality sleep, and 24 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you should just go out there and 25 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: do social media. And so I started this two years ago. 26 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 3: And so my birthday, which is June twenty seventh, so 27 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: it's coming up really and the gifts, y'all know, I 28 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 3: know my cash, no, no, but for my birthday, what 29 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: they did they went out and I don't know if 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: you know rapper Gmac Cash that's I. 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Knew it was Montgomery Bray it is. 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: I actually met him a couple of times. I was 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: at Parlay. 34 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: I think I saw him there. 35 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's funny. Yeah, And so they reached 36 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: out to him and said, you know, our friend is 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: doing this, and so they gifted me that song and 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: I was able to do that. So first of all, 39 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: shout out to gmat Cash from got Fire song Cash. Yeah. 40 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: I was like, this sounds like g mad Cash, but 41 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I want to make sure our first No. Yeah, definitely, 42 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: doctor Chris it is, I. 43 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: Know and everyone you know firs. It's funny because people 44 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: thought I was like, no, that is not me, like 45 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: my yeah, no, no, yeah. You know when people say like, 46 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: oh man, you wrote your own songs, like that is 47 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: not me. 48 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: But let's talk about what it is that you do 49 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: for a living and the importance of that, because you know, 50 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: I used to do morning. 51 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Radio for. 52 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: Sixteen, no eighteen years, right, I don't even know how long. Yeah, 53 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: eighteen years. I did morning radio right first as serious 54 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: then here at iHeart. It was really a blessing for me. 55 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: People always would ask me, like, what is the hardest part, 56 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: and I would always say waking up at that time 57 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: in the morning every day, waking up at four am 58 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: and having to be like on point, go to work 59 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: and then also do what I need to do in 60 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: the evening and get to sleep at a decent time. 61 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: I was a type of person if you wanted to 62 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: go to dinner at nine, I'm like, I can't make 63 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: it because I got to get some type of sleep. 64 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: But talk to us about the importance of sleep, because 65 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: we hear about it as it pertains to your weight, 66 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: as it pertains to your health. But you believe this 67 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: sleep is a cousin of death. But now people are like, no, 68 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: you gotta get some rest. 69 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: No, definitely, And it sounds very cliche, but it's true. 70 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: Sleep is important. And you know, I always tell people 71 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: mister Saman wants his money, and how do you pay 72 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: them by sleeping? And even if you don't get the 73 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: recommended amount of sleep, it's like you having a sleep disorder. 74 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: And so if you're not getting that, you know. They 75 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: literally call it sleep debt for a reason. And so 76 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: what I do well, first I'm a pediatric neurologist, but 77 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: I'm also a sleep medicine doctor for kids and adults, 78 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: and so any sleep disorders I look at and I 79 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: make sure that they're getting their quality sleep. So it 80 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: can be anywhere from sleeping too much, not sleeping enough, 81 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: having an insomnia, having a sleep disorder called obstructive sleep apnea. 82 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: That's the things that I look at. And because the 83 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: hardest part about my job, I got to talk to 84 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: people about things that happen with them when they're unconscious. 85 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: And so with that being said, I talk to them, 86 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: I examine and give them a comprehensive exam and making 87 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: sure that they know about sleep. And that's another reason 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: why I also do social media too, because there's a 89 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: lot of stuff that's like second nature to me, but 90 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: a lot of people don't know. 91 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: They don't know. 92 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because when I started doing, like 93 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: sleep Doctor Chris, the second we can my wife was 94 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: getting their hair done and the hairdresser was like looking 95 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: at her. It's like, look, I told my boyfriend, leave 96 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: me alone. You need that seven hours of sleep. So 97 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: so doc I was telling them I need that seven hours, 98 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: and so that made me realize that, you know, hey, 99 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: I affected that one person, and a lot of people 100 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: out there think that, Like when you are getting like 101 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: throughout the day, they start blaming themselves. They're like, well, 102 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: I'm lazy, I'm tired, I'm burnt out, and you can 103 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: just have a sleep disorder. 104 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: How do you know if you have a sleep disorder? 105 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: Well, well, when you see a sleep professional, we go 106 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: over a comprehensive exam to see if you do. But 107 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: it starts at home. You know. I always tell people 108 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: the bottom line, especially well for adults, you need anywhere 109 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: from seven to nine hours of sleep. And when I 110 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 3: say that, a lot of people start looking at themselves like, 111 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: oh no, I only get like five or six. First 112 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: you give yourself grace and then ask yourself, why am 113 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: I not getting that? You know, there's many reasons why 114 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: that can happen. But you if you're getting that recommended 115 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: amount of sleep and you're still waking up and you're 116 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: still tired, then that's when you should still that's just 117 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: just talk to your provider or sleep see a sleep professional. 118 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: For that okay. 119 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: And I always hear about the different types of sleep 120 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: that you get. You know, people talk a lot about 121 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: rim sleep, So can you break that down? 122 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Because I feel like. 123 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: I don't ever wake up and remember my dreams, and 124 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: so I don't know if that's a bad sign. 125 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not a bad sign because somebody do. 126 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: I not dream, but I know they say everybody's dreams. 127 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so everyone, well everyone does dream. And when you 128 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: talk about sleep, it's pretty much broken down into two areas. Well. 129 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: You have your light sleep and your deep sleep. And 130 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: you always hear people say, oh, that's deep sleep, and 131 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: it's broken down into stages, and so your light sleep 132 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: you have like your stage one and stage two. They 133 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: call it N one and N two right now, and 134 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: everyone knows about rem sleep. That's like the old name. 135 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: We call it stage R. Okay, and that's the I know, 136 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: but you know they get, you know, paid money to 137 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 3: change names. But everyone knows rum sleep. So I still 138 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: call it that, but still call it like stage art. 139 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: That's how you know you have a real doctor like this. 140 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: If a real sleep doctor says stage r's like, all right, 141 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: he's on his stuff. So you have your stage three, 142 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: which is deep sleep, and you have your room sleeper 143 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: stage R and those happen consistently throughout the night, and 144 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: so when you're getting your quality sleep, there's certain percentages 145 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: of that sleep that's happening. Now rem sleep or stage 146 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: are that's where they say that dreams are happening. And 147 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: realm are em stands for rapid eye movement. Literally on 148 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: your when you're sleeping, your eyes are rapidly moving, that's 149 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 3: what they call it. Really yeah, I know you hear realm. 150 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 151 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: And unfortunately that is normal, and it's also normal not 152 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: to remember your dreams. 153 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I was thinking, maybe I'm not getting to sleep. 154 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: I need to. 155 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: Well, the thing is is that sometimes like when you 156 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: wake up, you're like, oh, like it'll be later in 157 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: the day. It's like, wait a second, I was dreaming 158 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: about that. Now, with that being said, if you never 159 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: remember your dreams, it's always asking what's happening when you're sleeping. 160 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: And I always tell people talk to your bed partner 161 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: because the again the hardest part about my job. I 162 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: talk to people about things that happen with them when 163 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: they're unconscious. And so like if I'm in my office 164 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: and I'm seeing a patient and their bed partners there, 165 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm talking to them. I'm like, all right, well, how 166 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: do they sleep? Do they snore? Yes? And so it's like, okay, 167 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: figuring that out because then what I'll do will do 168 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: a sleep study, which is a polysymnogram just this fanch 169 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: way saying sleep study where we see if they have 170 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: a sleep disorder and not just seeing because there's a 171 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: sleep disorder. And I always tell people this. You know, 172 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: snoring is not normal, and a lot of people think that, 173 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: Like you used to watch cartoons and they see people, Yeah, 174 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: do you see them sleeping? See those little zas or 175 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: you might look at someone's like, oh man, they're deeply 176 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: sleeping because they're snoring. But snoring's not normal? 177 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: What about sometimes? 178 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: Well the thing is is that all right, I'm going 179 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: to have you step into doctor Allen's office. You know 180 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: I always tell patients this. You know, when you fall asleep, 181 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: all the muscles in your body relax, your legs, your arms, 182 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: muscless in the back of your throat. So if that's 183 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: your mouth and it's the back of your throat when 184 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: you're awake, airways open. But when you fall asleep, muscles 185 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: relax and right in the back. It's small. So when 186 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: you're sleeping and breathing in this is the sound people here, 187 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: that's how snoring's happening. Because yeah, but the problem is, 188 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: and this is where it can come into a disorder 189 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: when your airway collapses and it relaxed more and then 190 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: there's no oxygen going to your heart, your lunger, your brain, 191 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: but they don't know what's happening back there. So your 192 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: heart's working harder, lung as they're breathing in deeper, your 193 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: brain's sending stress signals all over your body. Then all 194 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: of a sudden you wake up, well, not you, your body 195 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 3: sometimes you. Then you fall back asleep and happens over 196 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 3: and over again. That's obstructive sleep at me. So those 197 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: are one of this disorders. And to answer your question, now, 198 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: if you're snoring doesn't mean you have a sleep disorder, no, 199 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: But if you're snoring, then that makes me ask other 200 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: questions like, oh, are you going to bid the right 201 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: amount of time? Are you pausing and breathing? Are you 202 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: waking up and still feeling like you're not refreshed. Those 203 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: are those symptoms where you're like, okay, we need to 204 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: get a sleep study and see what's happening. 205 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: So you had sleep apnea? Correct. 206 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: I know it's funny. I always tell patients this, Like 207 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: I sound like a cheesy commercial when I say it. 208 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, not only my your doctor, I have obstructed 209 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: sleep atnea. I've been treated for twenty one years. And 210 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: it's funny because I found out in med school. So 211 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 3: I was in class and my girlfriend at the time, 212 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: we're sitting in class and they're talking about sleep apnea. 213 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: She starts laughing at me. My friends start laughing at me. 214 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: It's like you know that you I'm like, no, it's 215 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: not and yeah, and like, and I knew I snore 216 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: because I remember being a my mom like turn over 217 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: to your side. So I knew I snored on trips, 218 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: like people didn't want to share a room with me. 219 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: And I know it is it was. It was bad, 220 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: ye like and so and it's funny because you think 221 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: from there, it's like, I need to see a doctor. 222 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: I didn't what happened. You know, I'm in med school. 223 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: You're not making any money. There's this flyer that says, like, 224 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: are you a young male and snores? I'm like, yeah, 225 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: and I saw that you can get money. So I 226 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: did that research, like I was one of their test subjects, 227 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: and through that you had to do a sleep study. 228 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: And I remember going to bed and waking up at 229 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: that lab and they're all looking over me and they're like, yeah, 230 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: you got it, and I'm like oh. And so they 231 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: were able to give me a SEPAP therapy, because that's 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: one of the hard parts about a sleep disorder like 233 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: obstructive sleep apnia. There's many ways to treat it. A 234 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: lot of people know about sea pop therapy and that 235 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: those letters stand for continuous positive airway pressure and that 236 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: last words, the most important part pressure. You know, you 237 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: wear a mask and you keep your airway open where 238 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: air goes in and out. And so that's what I 239 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: started with. And I remember trying it and I'm like 240 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: what is this. 241 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to sleep with like a machine, a machine. 242 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: I had a coworker that had sleep apnea and he 243 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: had to like have this machine and he hated that 244 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: he had. 245 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: To do that. 246 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the hard part about it because everyone knows 247 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: about SEAPAP or like that that mask and even when 248 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: I see patient, it's like, Hi, my name is doctor. 249 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm not wearing that SEAPAP. I'm like, hold on, there's 250 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: other ways. And so I always tell people knowledge is power. 251 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: If you know you have a sleep disorder, then what 252 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: you could do is you get treated. But there's other 253 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: ways to treat it. And with me, I was three 254 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: months in using SEAPAP. I didn't notice the difference until 255 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: I went on a trip and I didn't take my 256 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: SEATPAP with me and I felt horrible. I'm like, what's 257 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: going on. I'm like, it was like a sixth sense 258 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: moment at the end. When I start looking back, I'm like, Okay, 259 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: there is something to the seapath therapy. So I'm really 260 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: big on people doing that. And that's why I'm really 261 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: passionate in sleep medicine. Like I said, I'm a neurologist. 262 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: I love neurology, but sleep is my passion. And you know, 263 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: there's a lot of women out there that like they 264 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 3: blame themselves. They're like, you know, I'm tired because I'm 265 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: a mom and I have this or I'm working hard, 266 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: but you should like, if you're getting to recommend it 267 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 3: amunt of sleep and you still feel tired, things should 268 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: figure that out. And if you feel like you know, 269 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: apprehensive where you're like, ah, but I don't know if 270 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: I can do SEAPAP. I don't want to wear a mask. 271 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: There's other ways to treat it too, And that's the 272 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: big part. 273 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: You know. Another thing that is an issue is people 274 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: who can't sleep right and people who are like, my 275 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: mind is racing, I have insomnia. I lay down and 276 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: I'm just up all night and then by the time 277 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: I finally fall asleep, it's time to get up. Yeah, 278 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: and so other than because sometimes people will take pills 279 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: for that to try to make sure they get some sleep. 280 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: But what would you say to some that's like I 281 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: have so. 282 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: Much stress, my mind is racing, or sometimes in not 283 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: I just can't even go to sleep. 284 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you asked that question, because you know, 285 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: one always you know, that's when you need to get 286 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: like a sleep professional involved. And I always tell them that, like, 287 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: my job is not for you to be on medication. 288 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: Whatever I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do what I can 289 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: to make sure that we don't have to put you 290 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: in any medication. Now, there's medications out there, and there's 291 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: things that people will take. It's like, well maybe I'll 292 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: take this and this, but I always tell people this. 293 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: You know, the bedroom, it's only for three things, and 294 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: they all start with the letter S. So if you're sick, 295 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: if you're sleeping, and we all know what that third. 296 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: S is for, I don't know, can you tell us? 297 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: And rhymes with the res. And so if you're not 298 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: doing any of those three things, you get out of bed. 299 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: And a lot of people stay in bed. And you 300 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: heard about bed rotten and there's this in bed, but 301 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: that can actually perpetuate making your sleep worse. So if 302 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: it's more than twenty minutes to get out of bed. 303 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: And usually when I tell my patients, if your mind 304 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: is racing and you have those thoughts going, going, going, 305 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: what I usually tell them, get a piece of paper 306 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: out and just write down what you're thinking. Not even journaling, 307 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: but you can journal and that's fine. But like words 308 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: like tired, husband, job, whatever it is, it's all related. 309 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: You take that piece of paper, you fold it, yes, 310 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: make sure you don't see that paper like what you're 311 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: talking about, and then you can put it under your 312 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: pillow or put it in your nightstand. That's telling your 313 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: body like, look, I know we're thinking about all of this, 314 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: but we're gonna save it for another day, and you 315 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: know that's the biggest thing. And so and consistency is key. 316 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: A lot of people feel like, well, I'm not going 317 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: to bed and I'm not going to bed. The most 318 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: important part about sleep consistency is the wake time. If 319 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: you wake up consistently at the same day, I mean 320 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: the same time, then that's going to help you fall 321 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: asleep at night. And if you're in some of those things, 322 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: because there's something that's called sleep hygen. That's when I 323 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: was like, the bids only for three things. Those that's 324 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: talking about sleep phigen and making sure. Now you know, 325 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: I said sleeping, I said being sick. I didn't say 326 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: looking at TV. I didn't say doom scrolling on your 327 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: phone And a lot of people do that. And the 328 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: sad part is is that you know a lot of people. Yeah, 329 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, and then the and I'm glad you brought 330 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: that up because the other part, give yourself grace because 331 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: you know, you always feel like you need to get 332 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: to this part. You can see where the goal is. 333 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: But then that's when you're like, Okay, I need to 334 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: do something about this. Because anyone that's listening, if you 335 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: had that problem, two things I've heard it before, I've 336 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: fixed it before, and so it can happen. And just 337 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: because it's happening before, it doesn't mean that you'll sleep 338 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: go this way. I've heard stories and I've had patience 339 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: where this is going on for like years, twenty five years, 340 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: and they're like, now they're sleeping much better when they 341 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: think they have insomnia. And it's unfortunate because sometimes people 342 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: think it's insomnia and it's not. It could be a 343 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: sleep so sort of like obstructive sleep apnea. There is 344 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: like a circadian rhythm disorder, meaning that your body is 345 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: in a different time zone, so you're naturally a night owl. 346 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: Like you know, you have a job where you got 347 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: to be up at seven o'clock, but your body wants 348 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: to go to bed at three o'clock in the morning. 349 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: Because that's how it's made. There's ways to fix that. 350 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: You can. 351 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: We said it, you can, okay, because I will say, 352 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: you know, get in that, like I told you before, 353 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: waking up early every day. I don't care what anybody says. 354 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: It has never People are like, oh, you get used 355 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: to it. 356 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: Oh, well, the thing is you're never bought it, like 357 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: your body, you have something this me put my nerve 358 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: capat on. Now there's two processes that help you fall asleep. 359 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: There is like something that's called process s, meaning the 360 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: later you stay up, the tire you just get. And 361 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: then there's process see which deals about the circadian rhythm, 362 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: which is your body internal clock and with the sun. 363 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: And so if you're working at night or you have 364 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: to wake up super early, you're going against what your 365 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: body want. And so some people can get used to 366 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: it and some people can't, and you know, it gets 367 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: to the point where it's like shift work disorder. There's 368 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: like our night nurses and our night doctors that like 369 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: go to work at seven and leave at seven o'clock 370 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: in the morning and sleeping when the sun is out. 371 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: So there's ways to fix it. 372 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: Though I've always heard that sleep and weight is related 373 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: to each other too. People say that if you're overweight 374 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: or you're having weight issues, get more sleep. 375 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: Well, the thing is is that if you're if you're 376 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: not getting quality sleep, your body's in chaos. If you 377 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: have a sleep disorder, so for example, have obstructive sleep apnea, 378 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: and with that, if you're getting like, your body's going 379 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: chaos overnight where oxygen is going up and down, up 380 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: and down, you're biding crisis modest Guess what it's doing. 381 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: It's holding on the calories. And so that's why I 382 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: have people look into that. Now, say, if you have 383 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: a sleep disorder and you started getting your sleep afnea 384 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 3: treated with the seapap, will you automatically lose weight? Not necessarily, 385 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: because if that was the case, you'd be like, you know, 386 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: SEAPAP would be sponsoring the show. 387 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 388 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's good to get quality sleep because that 389 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: helps facilitate weight loss. And then also so when you're 390 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: not getting the recommended amount of sleep, your body's going 391 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: in chaos where it's holding on to calories. And there's 392 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: this thing where you have in your brain where you 393 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: have this like cleaning system that happens at night where 394 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 3: your body's not only getting refreshed, it's getting rid of 395 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: all the toxic stuff away from us. So when you're 396 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: not getting that, it clears that away. 397 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: What about cat naps, I've heard that those are really 398 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: good for you, are taking naps, like during the day. 399 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: I honestly don't ever nap during the day. But we 400 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: have a guy who comes in here and works, ma know, 401 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: and he could really literally sit in the seat and 402 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: just fall asleep while he's sitting there, right, and then 403 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: wake back up. But people will say that cat naps. 404 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: I've seen articles about how cat naps are good for you, 405 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: but then I've also seen the opposite. 406 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what you're doing and how often 407 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: are you taking those naps. So for example, like if 408 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: you're not getting enough sleep, mister Sammon wants his money, 409 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: so he's going to try to fall asleep. But say, 410 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: if you are still getting that recommended amount of sleep, 411 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 3: like that anywhere from seven to nine I was asleep 412 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: and you're still tired, that means that could be something 413 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: happening at night, because night affects your daytime. Now, to 414 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: answer your question about napping, you know, napping's okay. You 415 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: don't want to nap too long because, as I was 416 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: saying earlier, you have those sleep cycles that you go through. 417 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: You never want to nap any longer than like and 418 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: when it gets over ninety minutes, then you went to sleep. Yeah, 419 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: it's an actual sleep cycle, so you want to have 420 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: it like you know you're if you get a quick 421 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: thirty minutes and like, that's a good cat nap that 422 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: can be helpful. But it's like, why you're taking those 423 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: cat naps. And if you know, and the guy you 424 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: were talking about, if he's like doing that, you know, 425 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: tell him four words, you know a guy, so I 426 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: can talk to him. 427 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to have you talk to him. 428 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: What about that feeling when you can't get out of 429 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: bed where you physically feel like you can't move? 430 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, it's it's a it's something that 431 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: can be naturally happening, but if it's happening frequently, it 432 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: can be a pathway in too something else. And what 433 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: you brought up something's called paralysis, Like you wake up 434 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: and you're up and you're moving your eyes and you're 435 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: like what is going on and can't move your body 436 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you can start moving. 437 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: And that can normally happen, and sometimes we have a 438 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 3: sleep disorder that can make it worse. There is another 439 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: sleep disorder that's called narcolepsy, and sometimes that can be 440 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: a sign of it. So, for example, if you have 441 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: someone that's excessively tired and no matter and they're getting 442 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: that recommended amount of sleep, that's why you want them 443 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: to see a sleep professional because they can have that, 444 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: they can have that be diagnosed. And a lot of people, 445 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: you know, I remember having a friend in college and 446 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: she was just tired all the time. And you know, 447 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: it's funny again sixtyinth moment you think back on it 448 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: and come to find out later she had anarcolepsy. 449 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 450 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: And the thing is is that you know, you see 451 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: it in TV, but it's really you know, out there. 452 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: And this is for people that are listening, Like, if 453 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: you feel like you're just no matter what, like you 454 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: get good sleep and you still feel tired, because a 455 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: lot of people think that it might oh, this might 456 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: be depression, or this might be something else happening. It 457 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: could be a sleep disorder, and a lot of people 458 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: overlook that unfortunately. 459 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Okay, And lastly, temperature. 460 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 2: I've heard that you're supposed to sleep with like ten 461 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: degrees lower than what's comfortable, and that's what gets you 462 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: a better sleep. Some people like to sleep, you know, 463 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: nice and toasty. I want to know what your thoughts on. 464 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: Doesn't make a difference what the temperature is when you 465 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: go to sleep. 466 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: So you want a cool, dark room. With that being said, 467 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: if you're sleeping fine and it's like, look, I like 468 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 3: it high because my personally myself, I like it. I like, look, 469 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: if I'm at seventy one seventy two, I'm fine. But 470 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: normally you want to be anywhere from like sixty five 471 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: to sixty eight degrees. Okay, that's the recommended temperature to sleep. Now, 472 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: if you're not having any problems and you're sleeping warm, 473 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: then I tell people that if you're okay, I'm okay 474 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: now if they're having problems, and that's when I start 475 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: to look at it and. 476 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: Ask, okay, all right, good, all these great? What do 477 00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: you asking me? 478 00:21:59,760 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 4: Dad? 479 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: What does it mean when you wake up and you 480 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: feel like you are falling? Oh, you hit the ground. 481 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: When you hit the ground and you wake up like 482 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: WHOA did I just fall? Or when you well, I 483 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: guess there's also that where you wake up and it 484 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: feels like. 485 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: A teeth fell out. 486 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: You know what's funny? Yes, that does happen. I've never 487 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: I've never experienced that, but even on social media a 488 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 3: lot of people ask me about that too. 489 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, what if loose and you're like, 490 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: what happened in my teeth? Is my tooth loose? And 491 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: it really feels like that. 492 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a lot of people there that happens. 493 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 3: And so to answer that first question, when you're falling, 494 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes when people are falling asleep and you're 495 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: like within that drowsy state to almost in your light sleep, 496 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: you can sometimes you get that arousal period where like 497 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: you have that feeling and like you're falling and you're 498 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: going right between it because everything, yes, okay, well when 499 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: I you know, it's funny they're talking like a talk 500 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: and you're like, what, that's a real thing too. So yeah, 501 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: so when when your yeah, when your body arousal, when 502 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: your body is waking up between that transition. Hey, you know, 503 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: it's funny. You made me think about that. When I 504 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: talk to my patients now, it's like, yeah, I was 505 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: just looking at your arousal. Yeah, I literally says to 506 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: earlier this week for a patient. Yeah, you know, I 507 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: was looking at your arousals during the sleep studies. Like 508 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: what wait what that answers that question for me now. 509 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: But when you're in that transition of wake and of 510 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: sleep and like you're waking back up and you feel 511 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: that like falling, that's what usually happens, Like you know, 512 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: with it and and so like that. That's that's normal, 513 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 3: even the whole like when your teeth is falling out. 514 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: It's just that, like when you're going from like I'm 515 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,239 Speaker 3: drowsy now I'm asleep. There's somewhere things that happen when 516 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: it goes through that transition, just like when you're dreaming 517 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: and having those things happen as well. 518 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: Now they have one other question about wedding to bed. 519 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 3: Ah, Hey, it's normal. Look, I talked to patients about 520 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: that all the time. No shame here, This is a 521 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: judgment free zone. 522 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. Actually it's it's kind of like a weird scenario. 523 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 4: Like my alarm is set for six am every single day, 524 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 4: but I'll wake up naturally at like four forty seven 525 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 4: am on the dot, Like I'll roll over, look at 526 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 4: the clock, see it's four forty seven, be like weird, 527 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: and then roll back over and then wake up again 528 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 4: at six to my alarm. Does that like mean anything? 529 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: You know? Sometimes the hard part is that your body 530 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: does have natural times where it can wake up in 531 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 3: the middle of the night, So that's not uncommon to happen, 532 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: and most of the time you don't know that it's happening. 533 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: Like when I look out a sleep study, you can 534 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: see those arousal moments, meaning that they're waking up and yes, 535 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: and so when that's just one of the moments where 536 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: you see that it's happening. Yeah, And the thing and 537 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: the thing is is that your body has like a 538 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: certain circadian rhythms, so there's a moment where it could 539 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: wake up. And like you said, but you're able to 540 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: fall back sleep. Now if it's like I'm waking up 541 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: at this time and I can't go back to sleep, 542 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: then that's where your body clock is. But sometimes you'll 543 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: have that it's just coincidentally. Your body just knows like 544 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: the same time there happens, and the thing with your 545 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: body is going to do the same thing at the 546 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 3: same time. That's the funny thing about the brain. It's 547 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: it's habitual, like. 548 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: That is it okay to press news like three times 549 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: before you get up? 550 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 3: So my thing on snooze is that you know you 551 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: should put it at the time where you want to 552 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: wake up on that because if you're pressing it like 553 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: so many times, it's like you're jump starting your body again. 554 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: It's like, oh we're back to sleep. Nope, wake up, 555 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm back to sleep. And so I would say, look 556 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: at that clock. And I know I sound like a parrot, 557 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: but like seven to nine hours, like if you're forcing 558 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: yourself to wake up, your body's trying to tell you something. 559 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: It's like I gotta press news three times. It is 560 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: like I said it in times, and I do eight 561 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: minute like intervals in between. But I do have to. 562 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: Like set my alarm for like a half an hour 563 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: where I have to get up. 564 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. And the funny part about that is that when 565 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: you know, but you give yourself grace on that because 566 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: I do that. I did. I did that too, especially 567 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: during like med school. I'll have the alarm where like, okay, 568 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: it's time for you to wake up, and then alarm 569 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: is like okay, now you can sleep a little bit. 570 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: And then that final alarm is like, look, if you 571 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: don't wake up, this is gonna be some trouble. 572 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: Well listen, Thank you so much, Sleep Doctor Chris for 573 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: all of this information. 574 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: How can people find you? 575 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: So I'm a couple of things. You know, I'm out 576 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: on Instagram, TikTok LinkedIn. If you put in sleep doctor Christ, 577 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: sleep Dr Chris like and follow, and then I have 578 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: my own practice in Saginaw, Michigan, which is called Quality 579 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: Sleep and Neurology. So if you go to Quality Sleepineurology 580 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: dot com, that's my practice. And then there's another click 581 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: to sleep doctor Chris on there. 582 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: It's cuddling good while you're sleeping. 583 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: Definitely okay. 584 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: Home, Yeah, that's sad. Well, thank you so much. I 585 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: appreciate this conversation. It's going to help a lot of 586 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: people because I do feel like everybody has stories when 587 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: it comes to sleep. 588 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: Most definitely thank you for having me. 589 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: All right, bring the alarm on that it's way up.