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Speaker 1: Get Up, Get Up, Get Up?

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Speaker 2: What us Up?

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Speaker 3: Mets fans, Welcome back to a big episode Well I

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Speaker 3: guess milestone wise, episode number one fifty of the Mets

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Speaker 3: Up Podcast, the official podcast of the New York Mets.

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Speaker 3: Today we got some things to talk about. I wish

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Speaker 3: we had some bigger news. I wish we had some signings,

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Speaker 3: but as we know, the market has been moving ever

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Speaker 3: so slowly, so we're still going to talk about some

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Speaker 3: rumors and some news that has happened. There have been

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Speaker 3: some moves that the Mets have made, and of course,

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Speaker 3: you know me and James, we got to talk about

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Speaker 3: them as if they're most the most important moves have

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Speaker 3: ever happened for the New York Mets, because that's what

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Speaker 3: we do. Along with talking about a little bit of

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and some stuff that's been going on off the field,

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Speaker 3: this should be a pretty good episode, Episode one fifty.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, make sure you guys are following us

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Speaker 1: Download, download the podcast, and make sure you subscribe. We

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it. James, how you feeling. What's up? I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling okay, you know, ready for Thanksgiving, excited for that.

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Speaker 1: Sad about the Jets, but life is life. Big college

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Speaker 1: football team this weekend for both of us. Who's a

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Speaker 1: little bit bigger for you? Little a little bit bigger

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 3: South Carolina has beat more Top five teams than Ohio

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Speaker 3: State this year, So I mean, we.

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Speaker 1: Have a the most opportunity on Saturday, that soft big

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Speaker 1: ten schedule, your first opportunity. Come on, It's not true,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, that'd be a really fun game. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna watch. What woman to do for that?

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Speaker 1: I kind of just like, I just don't want to

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Speaker 1: think about it because it's like so massively important. It's

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Speaker 1: just Ohigo State vers Michigan. People don't know number two

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Speaker 1: verus number three. Third time in the history of the

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Speaker 1: series both team has been ranked in the top five

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Speaker 1: and all three of habits since two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really fun. The last time these two

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Speaker 1: teams were each top three, I was at the game

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. It was when Ohio State made the two

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Speaker 1: touchdown comeback Curtis Samuel in overtime against Michigan. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: that was That was one of the best best football

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Speaker 1: games I've ever seen live. But yeah, you got win

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Speaker 1: a game, win a game and buck Fichigan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, rivalry footballs is awesome. I love like South Carolina

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Speaker 3: has against Clemson. Just came off that big win against Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, so, I'd like to carry that and

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Speaker 3: really kill all of Clemson's hopes for possibly making the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: which would be really really nice. And uh, well, we

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Speaker 3: got Ole Miss and Missisippi State to the Egg Bowl

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Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving and then Friday, I believe we have un

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Speaker 1: C vers NC State, Florida the versus FLOORA the State.

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Speaker 1: It's just a great weekend of collgero. But we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Wisconsin versus Minnesota playing for the acts one of

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Speaker 3: You still have the NFL too on Thanksgiving, which is like,

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Speaker 3: I don't care what the game is, I'm ready to

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Speaker 3: go for Lions at eleven am whenever that game starts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just something fun to talk abay families

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Speaker 1: with possibly you know, put the money on, like guess

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Speaker 3: A producer John is saying, don't forget I you Purdue,

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Speaker 1: Which who cares about Indiana Purdue?

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Speaker 3: That's I know, that's the all time rivalry that we

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Speaker 3: should have been talking about. But I think Indiana's a

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Speaker 1: Indiana it's so bad at football. Shout out John for

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Speaker 1: actually willingly voluntarily attending that game. It's absolutely nuts. All right,

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Speaker 1: But I guess we got to talk about baseball now, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about baseball. I mean, I wish we did

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more important, big things to talk about.

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Speaker 3: All this stuff is kind of important in its own way.

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Speaker 3: It's not necessarily groundbreaking moves, like I wish we could

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Speaker 3: talk about, you know, the Mets making a big trade

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Speaker 3: Dom Smith. Of course, he was non tendered along with

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Speaker 1: Kind of crazy.

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Speaker 3: Never really expected this, especially after Dom had those hot

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Speaker 1: But I mean the writing was kind of on the wall. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I never expected this until like the beginning of this

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Speaker 3: two amazing hitting first basemen, and obviously it didn't end

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Speaker 3: he does end up. I'd see that there are teams

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're gonna look back at Tom Smith's twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Didn't Dom have like the season forty extra base hits,

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Speaker 1: twenty one doubles. That's an insane fifty games stretch. That's

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Speaker 1: nine ninety three ops in fifty games. It's disgusting. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the best stretches we've seen from a Mets hitter,

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Speaker 1: like ever in fifty games. And there's been so there

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Speaker 1: was so much talking when it happened on Twitter about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: That was years ago. And when we're in the window

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Speaker 1: of the trade dom is when we actually need him

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Speaker 1: as a player and first baseman, don't get traded for

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Speaker 1: the league's non tenders in Luke Weaver, who was traded

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Speaker 3: I want to stop, definitely, definitely, and then to just

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Speaker 3: talk about Sean reed Fully, the last piece of the

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Speaker 3: Steven Mattz trade that was with the Mets organization officially

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Speaker 3: wipe our hands clean of everything, Steven Matts, it's over.

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Speaker 1: We'll never forget the Sean Refolly run the beginning of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, where you're just tragging people out and

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Speaker 1: going crazy on the mound the mustache. It was a

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: That was the first year of the podcast too. It

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Speaker 3: was a fun, little little meme folk legend for the

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Speaker 3: New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: For about a week. It Mets of the podcast grew

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Speaker 1: with Sean Reefully exactly, That's how you would say.

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Speaker 3: But like you said, it was a non tender deadline,

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Speaker 3: so there was a lot of really good players that

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Speaker 1: And Tritch well, okay, fine players with players with potential value,

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Speaker 1: good if treated properly. Yeah, which I feel like I

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Speaker 1: want to start with Alex Reyes because I feel like

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Speaker 1: that is one that the met should definitely circle star

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, just because one New Jersey kid. I

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Speaker 3: In Elizabeth played for Full Count Baseball at one point,

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Speaker 3: shout out to Full Count because that's who I played

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Speaker 3: for as well. Never played with him. Caught a bullpen

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Speaker 3: this massive Dominican seventeen year old kids throwing ninety five.

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Speaker 3: What if he just lets one loose and it hits

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Speaker 1: Was terrifying. But this was a guy who just a

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Speaker 3: Even right, Yeah, he was like one of the best

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Speaker 1: First half of the year, he certainly was, and he

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Speaker 1: While he's a great pedigree, while he always has incredible

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Speaker 1: So if there's anyone to take a shot on, you

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Speaker 1: because he's still gonna be throwing high nineties with a

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Speaker 1: whiteout slider. No, definitely, definitely there was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like this this list does have players that

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Speaker 1: These are all notable guys. We're not giving to be

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Speaker 1: the Chad Cools of the world on this list today.

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Speaker 1: I don't think, No, not yet, but I mean Brian

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I've really liked Brian Anderson. Like when he

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Speaker 3: because Ops plus wise, he was never like even in

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Speaker 3: But like as as a guy who can play third

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Speaker 1: He also is kind of funny. I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: the closest thing. But the injuries, the injuries.

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Speaker 3: And saying on the field because every time he played

433
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Speaker 3: he still was good grady size more, he just couldn't

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Speaker 3: stay healthy. I'm sure there's an obvious guy that we're missing, and.

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Speaker 1: I mean obvious guys like pictures. This happens to pictures

436
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Speaker 1: all the time. But Ben Sheets but he got hurt

437
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Speaker 1: too all the time. Matt Harvey, Yeah, Matt Harvey, that's

438
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Speaker 1: probably the best comp there is. Here's a go one

439
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Speaker 1: maybe like Pablo Sandoval. Yeah, but that was that was.

440
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Speaker 3: A guy who got paid and just did not care anymore.

441
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Speaker 3: He's like, I got my money, I'm literally not gonna

442
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Speaker 3: try in the slightest Remember what was he texting during

443
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Speaker 3: games and drinking in the locker room?

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Speaker 1: Was he a part of that was having a good No?

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Speaker 1: I think that was after that. That was who I

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Speaker 1: think it was, like Lackey. I mean he also gave

447
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Speaker 1: us one of the greatest gifts in baseball history of

448
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Speaker 1: taking a swing in the belt popping off of his

449
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Speaker 1: his waist, which is if that tells you any think

450
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Speaker 1: about Pablo Sandoval. Oh, he's a good one. I just

451
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Speaker 1: found scrolling through some Twitter. Someone said, Carlos by Erga. Yeah, sure,

452
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Speaker 1: actually is actually not a bad one at all. I

453
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Speaker 1: mean he was good. I know, I'm not gonna pretend

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Speaker 1: like I remember watching that guy play, but no, I

455
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Speaker 1: know he had one of those like insane seasons that

456
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Speaker 1: like like like the old people talk about it was

457
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Speaker 1: a met, right, wasn't he a met? Probably only he

458
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Speaker 1: had one year. No, he's back. He had back to

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Speaker 1: back years ninety two ninety three. What I've got a

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Speaker 1: great name. Oh, Bobby Bonia a longer, a longer stretch

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Speaker 1: I was gonna throw, said Jason bay Is another good one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they are good. In nineteen ninety two and ninety

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Speaker 1: three with Cleveland, in two years, he had forty homers,

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Speaker 1: he had over two hundred runs two hundred RBIs almost

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Speaker 1: two hundred runs scored, and the ten war in two

466
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Speaker 1: years three hundred average each year. Okay, this is the

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Speaker 1: one and he just never can't it never happened again? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard. Usually when you're good, you stay

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Speaker 1: good for like a couple of years, you stay relevant

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. You know, he's while you're like

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Speaker 1: in your physical prime, and.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, outside of injuries and stuff, it's really

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Speaker 3: really hard to find out Brady Anderson.

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Speaker 1: But we know why. And then yeah, I get all

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Speaker 1: the steroid guys, Sean Green, Yeah, Louse, Gonzales. It comes.

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Speaker 1: Then we got There's a couple other guys who I

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Speaker 1: just want to talk about briefly because something we talk

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Speaker 1: about a lot on the show this we'd love to

479
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Speaker 1: see his mes Ross. They're really attack versatility, guys who

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Speaker 1: could do a lot of different things. Guys who you

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Speaker 1: know are athletes, and I think two guys who were released.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying these guys should ever start, or ever

483
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Speaker 1: be trusted, or I'm not gonna tell you guys ever

484
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Speaker 1: gonna make an All Star team. But Garrett Hampson, Willie Castro,

485
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Speaker 1: Harold Castro, the Castro brothers from Detroit, and Garrett Hampson,

486
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Speaker 1: the longtime darling of the fancy baseball community from Colorado.

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Speaker 1: All these guys at least can play the infield and

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Speaker 1: the outfield at an average level, yes, and are witch

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Speaker 1: faster than major league gaverage.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the mess roster, what do we need.

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Speaker 3: We need a little bit of that versatility, a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit, a little bit, little bit of speed, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of contact to be good. Just say they're

494
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Speaker 1: athletes at the absolute worst. Some guys that I like

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Speaker 1: just that are straight at outfielders. I'll never give up

496
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Speaker 1: on Franchie Cordero and Ari City's A Kino. They just

497
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Speaker 1: they do things too elite, like the way that they

498
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Speaker 1: hit a baseball harder than almost anybody. The only guys

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Speaker 1: that hit it harder really are Aaron Judge and John

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Speaker 1: Carlo Stanton, who are two of the largest humans to

501
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Speaker 1: play the game of baseball and strongest, and Franchie and

502
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Speaker 1: aircas A Kino continue to just mash baseball's The problem

503
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Speaker 1: is they don't hit the baseball very often, like almost never,

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Speaker 1: so that's where it becomes difficult.

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Speaker 3: But Akno, he's actually a sick outfielder too. He's an

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Speaker 3: incredible athlete with a hose and he plays a great

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Speaker 3: right field.

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Speaker 1: So for a guy that would be you gotta assume

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Speaker 1: both of these are gonna be spring training invite guys, right,

510
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Speaker 1: I would think sure, and Akino like we've actually seen

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Speaker 1: him do it, like he had like one of the

512
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Speaker 1: best month stretches we can remember him as in the

513
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Speaker 1: last five years, like literally for like why not just

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Speaker 1: take a shot, especially like the Reds. It just seems

515
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Speaker 1: like they've really they're really cutting costs in terms of

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Speaker 1: player development since they let Kyle Body and a lot

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Speaker 1: of the drive line guys go. So I mean, might

518
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Speaker 1: as well get him in with some real coaches see

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Speaker 1: what we could do.

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Speaker 3: And then the last guy I'll mention Adam Engle because

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Speaker 3: me and you, if you go back to the old days,

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Speaker 3: if you go back to pre you know, talk about

523
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Speaker 3: the first twenty five thirty episodes of this podcast. Adam

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Speaker 3: Engle is someone who we were like would fit so

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Speaker 3: well on this Mets team as a backup center fielder

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Speaker 3: for guy who actually has a ceiling two of like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I could hit a home run.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just a defensive replacement. And he's just again

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Speaker 1: he's an athlete, like love for this Mets scene to

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Speaker 1: get some get some speed in the club. Basse Angle

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Speaker 1: plays a good center field and like the White Sox

532
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Speaker 1: do almost everything wrong team from a team building perspective,

533
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Speaker 1: So like cutting a guy like Angle who like, while

534
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Speaker 1: he's thirty years old last year was still ninetieth percentile

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Speaker 1: speed ninetieth percentile and outfielder jump and eighty percentile and

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Speaker 1: out above average from center fielders. Definitely can't hit. No,

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Speaker 1: I know he can't hit. There's no power. He's got power,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think last year in the two home

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Speaker 1: runs and two hundred and fifty at bests. No, but you gotta look.

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Speaker 1: He hits the ball hard. Listen, all he needs is

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Speaker 1: the barrels are totally actually, the barrels totally fell apart.

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Speaker 1: Last year. He was a guy who was sitting like

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Speaker 1: five eight percent barrel rate twenty twenty one. Last year

544
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Speaker 1: he hit three barrels the whole season. That's a TLR effect.

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Speaker 1: Tony Lewis is sad. You're a fast guy. You hit

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Speaker 1: the ball on the ground, you don't put the ball

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Speaker 1: in the air. Ever, it doesn't matter how hard you

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Speaker 1: hit it or how far. Bringing out an Angle to

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Speaker 1: fill the whole bench with these guys, we can make it.

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Speaker 2: Do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, we can make a team.

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Speaker 3: And I mean Mets also did bring in some pieces

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Speaker 3: this week or in the past week since we last

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Speaker 3: talked to you that do help fill out this team

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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I know there's one guy in

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Speaker 3: particular who you, James Shana have been right talking about

557
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Speaker 3: Raven about forever ironically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the other guy in this deal that

559
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Speaker 1: was more exciting. Mes traded young prospect Franklin Sanchez to

560
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Speaker 1: the Marlins for two pitchers who were on their roster bubble,

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Speaker 1: Eliezer Hernandez and Jeff Brigham. Hernandez a guy who I

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Speaker 1: just kind of like fell in love with a few

563
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Speaker 1: years ago because he had such a weird He has

564
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Speaker 1: such a weird slider. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. It's like

565
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Speaker 1: a slider that acts like a change up, which is

566
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Speaker 1: hilariously similar to Edwin Diaz. He just throws everything significantly

567
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Speaker 1: less hard because it's Eliezer Hernandez. He's had tons of

568
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Speaker 1: arm troup problems, but he had a season in the PCL.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was in twenty nineteen, and that was

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Speaker 1: the year in the PCL, like like Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 1: the ball was really flying. He gave up like no

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Speaker 1: home runs in fifty innings like he was a depth

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Speaker 1: of keeping the ball in the yard, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of that was due to the fact that the hitters

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Speaker 1: could not score up a slytherer. It doesn't really slide

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Speaker 1: that much or drop that much. Again, it acts a

577
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Speaker 1: lot like a change up, but it just it's very

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Speaker 1: very it's very very easily confused with his fastball, the

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Speaker 1: way they spin off his hand. He has like one

580
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Speaker 1: of those very good like tunneled you know, vers marriage

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Speaker 1: spin axes, and he's very fun. One of the first

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Speaker 1: like long form articles I ever wrote years and years

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Speaker 1: ago by Eliezer Hernandez. Brigham is a guy who was

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Speaker 1: interesting because his sliders actually lights out. And he's been

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Speaker 1: someone who's bounced back and forth between the bullpen and

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Speaker 1: the rotation for the last few years because the Marlins

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Speaker 1: like always do that thing in August. But like, we're

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Speaker 1: out of pitchers. We don't have any left. I don't

589
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Speaker 1: know where they all went, but we have none left

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Speaker 1: besides Sandi al Contra, who congratulations to him on winning

591
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Speaker 1: the cy Young Award. But Brigham has an an absolute

592
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Speaker 1: lights out slider and if they just manicure that pitch

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Speaker 1: and just say you won't we want you to throw

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Speaker 1: this like fifty to fifty five sixty percent of the

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Speaker 1: time and then mix into the other stuff. I think

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Speaker 1: he can be a plus reliever for I do think

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Speaker 1: both these guys will be on the major league roster

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Speaker 1: for most of the year as well. Thirty K rate

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Speaker 1: relatively for Jeff Brigham last year, that's nothing. That's not

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Speaker 1: a slouch. Slider's really really good. I would do a

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Speaker 1: challenging to watch a video of the sliders. Go on

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Speaker 1: Savon search clicks Jeff Brigum and slider. It's a pitcher

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Speaker 1: we can move and it has some heat.

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Speaker 3: And then the last guy we got was William Woods,

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Speaker 3: who was in the Atlanta Brave system. Six foot three,

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Speaker 3: right handed pitcher, twenty three years old. He's still pretty young,

607
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Speaker 3: pretty good fastball. I think it's like sits in the

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Speaker 3: mid to high nineties ish, and I think he can

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Speaker 3: get it up higher at times, especially if they're gonna

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Speaker 3: use him as a reliever, which I think is probably

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Speaker 3: the best case scenario for him. He's really a two

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Speaker 3: pitch pitcher, fastball, slider.

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Speaker 1: He would only throw three pitches in the major leagues

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Speaker 1: last year, but and the fastball in the Slaughterer, they

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Speaker 1: both graded out as well above average the fastball, especially

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Speaker 1: which if you're seeing a fastball that has that kind

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Speaker 1: of physics, even if you see it five or six times,

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Speaker 1: you could probably just tell. So look, I mean this

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Speaker 1: is I mean, we've talked about this a lot. This

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Speaker 1: is like a really cool way that we see this

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Speaker 1: Met's front office building a bullpen where we know they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be push up against luxury tax threshold. We know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of superstars are looking at a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys who want resign, a lot of guys we

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Speaker 1: want signed. Getting guys through potentially three medium leverage relievers

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Speaker 1: basically for free just before Thanksgiving when no one's paying attention.

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Speaker 1: They's be a huge winfall for the team's awesome, awesome,

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Speaker 1: And you guys know, whenever we've talked about these guys

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Speaker 1: before in the years past, and what do you know,

630
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Speaker 1: they ended up being pretty good. So I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: keep an eye out for the random relievers, especially that

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Speaker 1: James really takes a kin to Jeff. Breakup baby. I

633
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Speaker 1: mean again, Hernandez is my guy. I just having a

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Speaker 1: soft place in my heart for him. I think breakup

635
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Speaker 1: could be the start of that deal.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, And then there were some rumors flying around

637
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Speaker 3: two Mets and big name guys that you might be

638
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Speaker 3: a little bit more familiar with. Let's start off with

639
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Speaker 3: the one that I think everybody wants to talk about,

640
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Speaker 3: which is Justin Verlander. I saw a crazy NJ dot

641
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Speaker 3: com article, by the way, you bring this up, that

642
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Speaker 3: had a headline that said Mets losing Ace to Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Who's that Ace James? Who would you think by reading

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Speaker 1: that headline, I would assume that would be Jacob de Grom,

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Speaker 1: multiple Sy Young Award winner with the Mets, and who's

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Speaker 1: been with the team since he came up in you know,

647
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four I was fourteen. Yeah, I mean,

648
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Speaker 1: shout out to the NJ dot com writer, Well done.

649
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a great job in getting some clickbait

650
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Speaker 1: and getting some eyes and being like.

651
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, what's happening. No, it's about a player

652
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Speaker 3: that's never played for the New York Mets.

653
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Speaker 1: That'd be Justin Verlander, who this week the Mets have

654
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Speaker 1: definitely been tied to, and obviously coming off the World

655
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Speaker 1: Series in the Cy Young Award year, the name's got

656
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Speaker 1: some peede around it without doubt, and I think it's

657
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: pretty obviously still really really good, which is crazy because

658
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Speaker 1: there's like, remember when we're doing my rankings for the

659
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Speaker 1: pitching and I get your help a lot of the

660
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Speaker 1: time with this too. Verlander wasn't on the list, and

661
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Speaker 1: it was just like we didn't think he was gonna

662
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Speaker 1: be able to throw this many innings as he did

663
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Speaker 1: coming off of Tommy John as a forty year old,

664
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Speaker 1: But he really did look super strong last season. He did.

665
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Speaker 1: End the usage was almost the thing that was the

666
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Speaker 1: most impressive because he didn't really miss as many bats

667
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Speaker 1: as we're used to seeing Justin Verlander miss in a

668
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Speaker 1: major league season. As Krai trapped down twenty seven point

669
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Speaker 1: eight percent, that's the lowest business twenty seventeen, where it

670
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: looked like his entire career was falling apart. The thing

671
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Speaker 1: about it was so impressed about Verlander was just the innings,

672
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Speaker 1: Like he found a way through one hundred and seventy

673
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Speaker 1: five innings his first year off of Tommy John surgery

674
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Speaker 1: as a thirty nine year old. But with that, it

675
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Speaker 1: did seem like he did kind of run out of

676
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Speaker 1: gas towards the end. He had to take to two

677
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Speaker 1: or three weeks off in August because I think Dodgers,

678
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Speaker 1: just the Astros just knew what was going on. We're like,

679
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Speaker 1: we gotta get the injury out of the way right

680
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: now and get get ready for the postseason run. But

681
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Speaker 1: it is, it would be, it would it would be

682
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Speaker 1: interesting to have, you know, to forty year old aces

683
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Speaker 1: in the same staff.

684
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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, you know. I I think Jacob d gram

685
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Speaker 3: is still the guy that I want. I want Jack

686
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Speaker 3: de Gram over Verlin. And I think it's also a

687
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Speaker 3: little bit of you know, justin Verlanders.

688
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Speaker 1: People aren't dumb either. You gotta throw the Mets name

689
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: out into everything because that's the team with all the money,

690
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: and I think we've seen them now for multiple off

691
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Speaker 1: seasons with multiple multiple players. It's just and ever Like

692
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Speaker 1: remember like two weeks ago, for no good reason, free

693
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Speaker 1: agency just opened up Mets and Andrew Hey, is that true?

694
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Who knows Trey Turner? And to be fair to Mets,

695
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: I think all these guys are also interested in the

696
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: Mets too, Like I think this is a place. You

697
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Speaker 1: know Steve Collen, we know what he can do.

698
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Speaker 3: And the Mets were a good team last year, especially

699
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: it didn't end well, but they were a good team.

700
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Speaker 3: Like it's it's New York, it's a big market, it's

701
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Speaker 3: a winning environment.

702
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Speaker 1: I get it. It makes sense all all the dots

703
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: connect here, but same thing until you really until John

704
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Hayman starts putting out a tweet every five minutes about

705
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer and closer, these deals aren't actually

706
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: really that close yet. Well. I also think there is

707
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: a function of US fans not remembering what off seasons

708
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: have ever looked like because the last offseason was ruined

709
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Speaker 1: by the the off season before we were coming off

710
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Speaker 1: the COVID season, so we didn't really know what the

711
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: heck was actually gonna happen with the Major League Baseball season.

712
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: The off season before that, COVID hadn't happened yet, but

713
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Speaker 1: we had like Bryce Harper and May and Michildo completely

714
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: dominating the free agent space. No, that was that was

715
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: two before. So the the COVID offseason was Zach Wheeler

716
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: and Garrett Cole right right, Okay, So that was that

717
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Speaker 1: was normal off season.

718
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Speaker 3: I think that one though, if I remember correctly, kicked

719
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Speaker 3: off right after Thanksgiving. I think once Thanksgiving happened, everything

720
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Speaker 3: got hot with the Winter Meetings.

721
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Speaker 1: That's what my point was going to be, that these

722
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Speaker 1: off seasons moved cyclically because the people who are running

723
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: these teams are also like human beings, so like as

724
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: the season ends, everyone takes their takes their time, they relax.

725
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Speaker 1: The Winter meetings aren' until December seventh, I believe this year,

726
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Speaker 1: because that's day the Rule five draft that traditionally is

727
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Speaker 1: how they start the Witch meetings. Last year, all those

728
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: mets moves happened the Friday after Thanksgiving, that the Marte

729
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: Canada Escobar Night. But that was also because I think

730
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Speaker 1: people knew there was time. There was racing against the

731
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Speaker 1: clock with the lockout impending. So I don't I I

732
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Speaker 1: mean again, I'd love to jinx this and that's that's

733
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Speaker 1: kind of my my play in the show anyway. But

734
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: there probably will be a mover too next week. But

735
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like we're gonna get really anything until that

736
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Speaker 1: second week of December when the Winter Meetings kick off. Yeah,

737
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: when these guys are all in the same room, everyone's

738
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: talking little chatter, a little chit chat, and that's when

739
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: things are gonna start to move.

740
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Speaker 3: And relatively the market can't move until the dominoes fall

741
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: unless you're trying to like jump the market like some

742
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: guys have in the past. But until Jacob Degram and

743
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge move, it's really hard for these players, like

744
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: a Verlander, like a Carlos Rodan, like a trade turner

745
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: to figure out exactly what their value is and where

746
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: they can go.

747
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also just strange that in one off season

748
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: we have arguably the best position player in baseball and

749
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: arguably three of the seven eight best pitchers and the

750
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Speaker 1: whole thing right now for you agents at the same time.

751
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: So you kind of got to wait for the Giants

752
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: to move before everything else can fill in.

753
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Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, and I think once it starts, I think

754
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna be guns blazed.

755
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Speaker 1: That's how every offseason works. You know that you make

756
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Speaker 1: your video every single time a guy gets signed, and

757
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: there's always that one week you're like, okay, I can't

758
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Speaker 1: make in a videos now I'm done. I'm like I've

759
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Speaker 1: made three videos today. I'm sorry, You're gonna have to

760
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Speaker 1: wait on Who's Who's a player that's like good that

761
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Speaker 1: if it was a slow day, I'd make a video

762
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Speaker 1: on who would that be? Maybe Jamison ty Yeah, Jamison Tyne.

763
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Speaker 1: And that's pro segue. James, well done, well done, well done,

764
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Speaker 1: clapped hundred fifty episodes. We're experts, now we're pros. This

765
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: is our third year of doing a podcast actually technically,

766
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Speaker 1: which technically it feels a little bit weird. Yeah, I

767
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: don't like that at all. But James and ty owned

768
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Speaker 1: another name. Just like every other free agent who has

769
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Speaker 1: been linked with the Mets.

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Speaker 2: I think he is.

771
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Speaker 1: And we talk about this a couple of weeks ago.

772
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Speaker 1: He's a super realistic option because one, he's just trending

773
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Speaker 1: back in the right direction after two years of time

774
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Speaker 1: of John. He has obvious adjustments to make. Like we

775
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Speaker 1: said last time, I'm just thrown small than off speed stuff.

776
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Speaker 1: And this is just like a personal psychological thing. Like

777
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Speaker 1: he's now lived in New York for two years, so

778
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Speaker 1: I bet, and he's been East Coast guy through and through,

779
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Speaker 1: so I do bet that there is a I get Pittsburgh,

780
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Speaker 1: East coast. I should really say just east, yeah, east east,

781
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Speaker 1: east of the Mississippi. I should say what, well, oh wow,

782
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Speaker 1: he's from He's from the Woodlands. That's in Texas. I

783
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Speaker 1: didn't realize as a Texas boy, that makes sense. Texas boy,

784
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Speaker 1: that makes it. He I mean, the dudes built like

785
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: he's made to like Bail Hay, Like he just looks

786
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Speaker 1: like a guy who's like just he's got big shoulders.

787
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Speaker 1: Strong dude. If anybody could come back off of two

788
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Speaker 1: time with john surgeries and cancer, it is jameson ty

789
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Speaker 1: owned and and he. I think he's just a good

790
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Speaker 1: option and he's kind of exactly.

791
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Speaker 4: What we need. Yeah.

792
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Speaker 3: No, I mean he had a career low walk rate

793
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Speaker 3: or second lowest walk rate of his career at four percent,

794
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: which you gotta love. Like he didn't strike out the world.

795
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's ever probably gonna be his game necessarily.

796
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Speaker 3: But the guy who limits base runners and keeps the

797
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: games close and is probably gonna eat some innings for you,

798
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Speaker 3: I mean that'd be pretty good. And God would imagine

799
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: you'd benefit out of getting you know, getting out of

800
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Speaker 3: the American League East and pitching in city field as well.

801
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Speaker 1: You have a very bad home run rate this year,

802
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: so I think it would help him to leave Yankee

803
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Stadium and come to the city field a lot. And

804
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: he got curveball, slyer, forcing, fastball are all pretty pretty

805
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: good pitches. And again not coming here to be the Ace.

806
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: We still got Sures, and we still got whoever else

807
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: is gonna step into these roles as guys who take

808
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: in more of maybe the Taiwan Walker Chris Bassett roles.

809
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: Whether not those guys come back, you gotta look at

810
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: those similar type players as well.

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Speaker 1: Hey, just you gotta fill this out. And remember we

812
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: said it the first off season episode, nine hundred innings

813
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: left this team in one second, and they got some

814
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: of them back now with Carrasco and they brought a

815
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: couple of these relievers who could possibly end up being

816
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: swing men. But we need lots and lots of innings,

817
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Speaker 1: so we can't. You can't expect to get all the aces.

818
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna get Verlander, de Gram and Rodon the

819
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Speaker 1: same fation you probably get one. I would I would

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Speaker 1: love to. I would be cool, honestly. If if we're

821
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Speaker 1: going plan A, that's plan A. I know, we know

822
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Speaker 1: Steve Cohm wand listens to this show, so that's planet

823
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: and Billy Eler as well. They actually sit by the

824
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: speaker waiting for the midnight drop and they look their

825
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: first things listen to it, like, oh now we can

826
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Speaker 1: proceed a lot of big names. Listen to the show's

827
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Speaker 1: planet names. All the big names listen to the show.

828
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Speaker 4: So many.

829
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Speaker 1: Plan A, rodn for Lander, de Gram all three, Plan B.

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Speaker 1: Two of the three, pick any two you want playing

831
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Speaker 1: c get one of them and then get James and

832
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: there we go. And then you know what, if that's

833
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: our play and see, okay, fine, we'll be all right.

834
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Speaker 1: And you know that's I mean, that's that's that's the nature.

835
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Speaker 1: That's where we are in the off season right now.

836
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Speaker 1: Maybe next week there might be a signing, and the

837
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: week after that will be nearing GM meetings, and then

838
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Speaker 1: we'll be in the.

839
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Speaker 3: Think of it, and of course we will be talking

840
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Speaker 3: about everything that goes on. And if there is any

841
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: big move, we're dropping an emergency episode. Don't worry, it

842
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: will come if anything is officially happening that you guys

843
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: need to know about.

844
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Speaker 1: When we talked about this was it last week? Did

845
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Speaker 1: we make a prediction? Do we think the first free

846
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: agent's gonna sign?

847
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Speaker 2: You?

848
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: Still second with your predictions? Still, who's gonna be the

849
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: first big domino to fall? I think I said it

850
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: was either Tyane or Heiney, right, Yeah, No, well, no,

851
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: the big name, big name. I thought you, oh, first

852
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Speaker 3: big name, I said, I said, I think, I said.

853
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Speaker 1: To Grom, Yeah, and I think I said Judge right.

854
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think. I think I'm still

855
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: feeling that. I think that's gonna wake up one morning

856
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: and de Grom's either gonna be a mother arranger. Okay,

857
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna like three o'clock, three o'clock in the afternoon,

858
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Speaker 1: you're gonna phone's gonna buz and you'll be like, any

859
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: look at it. Let's gonna let's get a watch party again.

860
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind that. I wouldn't mind a little uh

861
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: a watch party over some big free agents attached to

862
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: the Mets. That'd be fun. No, But moving on now.

863
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: One other thing that we did want to talk about

864
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: with you guys this episode, and I'm sure we will

865
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: talk about it again when it is getting closer to

866
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: the time he's revealed. But the Hall of Fame ballots

867
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: just dropped. And one of the funny things about the

868
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ballot is just seeing the guys who

869
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: are on it, because yes, before guys drop off, which

870
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I think you need to believe, you need at least

871
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: ten percent of the vote to stay on your first

872
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: year of eligibility that first.

873
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: You can see that.

874
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: I think it might be five percent. I think it's

875
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: really low to stay on. Nevertheless, there are so many.

876
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: Guys who pop on the first year that they're eligible,

877
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: who will, of course never ever ever be on it again.

878
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: It's one of the most fun things to take keep

879
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: an eye on as a baseball fan.

880
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: It's like just being on the ballot is an honor

881
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: in and of itself, because you're good enough to even

882
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: possibly be considered to be one of the greatest players

883
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: to ever play, to be entrined in the Hall of Fame,

884
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: you know. The Hall of Fame's kind of some people

885
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: take it or leave it, especially with how it's been

886
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: handled recently and the players that do make it and don't.

887
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: But I don't know. To me as a baseball fan, like,

888
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: I still think it's a pretty cool and special event

889
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: and occasion kind of thing. Definitely. And one player who

890
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I think is very near and dear to the Mets

891
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: fans who's on this ballot this year for the first

892
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: time is Carlos Beltron. Yes, someone who who I know.

893
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: He's like right now, the projections have him kind of

894
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: close to the line, but probably not getting over as

895
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: the first ballot, which I agree he's not a first

896
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer, but it means he probably definitely

897
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: will get in. I think a lot of it too,

898
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: and this is unfortunate. I think the whole Astros cheating

899
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: scandal is really gonna make some people just think, make

900
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: him work it out a little bit longer than he

901
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: really has to. I don't know about that. I don't know.

902
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: I think so they're like, not that there's an example

903
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: that needs to be made, but we do know how

904
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: these riders get a lot of times, and there's a

905
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: lot of like, well, I'm the baseball rider. I get

906
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: to determine your faith, and now that you cheated and

907
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: we know about it, and that you weren't nice to

908
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 3: me when you gave me an interview, I'm not going

909
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: to vote for you for three years, even though I

910
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: think you are a Hall of Famer, which is the

911
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: most stupid thing about this whole process. I could rant

912
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: about it, but I do also know that John has

913
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: been dying to rant about this, and I.

914
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Would I'm he texted us earlier. I would love to

915
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: hear what John's rant is on the Hall of Fame

916
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: because he's had this one of his pocket for a

917
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: couple weeks.

918
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: I feel like, what's up, guys?

919
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: There he is, Johnny Stats. How you feeling.

920
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: I'm feeling good. I'm actually miraculously feeling a lot better.

921
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: Was kind of fighting a little bug the last couple

922
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: of days here, so just in time for Mets up.

923
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: A lot of rest, a lot of relaxation. Good to

924
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: be here with you, guys. James, I gotta say it,

925
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: go Blue, But I do have your boys on right now.

926
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: Are you watching your boys right now on the hardwood

927
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: or I guess it's the football season.

928
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: No, I'm not watching them right now. I'm in the studio, John,

929
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm focusing on the podcast of Sorry.

930
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: I to really a multitasking all right. So yes, Hall

931
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: of Fame ballot. First of all, Mark, I hope that

932
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: you're wrong about what you say. And here's why. With Beltran,

933
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: that was the end of his career. Beltram was like

934
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: a managerial figure at the time with the Astros at

935
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: that point, seventy war player in his career. You are

936
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: right about voters. They're human beings and we've seen, first

937
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: of all, there's multiple steroid guys in the Hall of Fame,

938
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna and there will be more. I'm

939
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: not gonna name names because I don't have evidence per

940
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: se on individual guys.

941
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: But I think it's a big boppy.

942
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say, and I think you

943
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: guys can both agree and listeners can agree as well,

944
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: that there are five to ten guys in the Hall

945
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: of Fame who used peds at some point and still

946
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: got in because they were popular with photers. And if

947
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: that's the case, and I'm gonna pull up the ballot

948
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: right now and then I'll get to my real point

949
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: I have for you guys. But okay, Manny Ramirez should

950
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: be a best, the best right handed hitter of our generation.

951
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: The guy's a Hall of Famer. I watched it. You

952
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: guys watched it. It doesn't matter when anyone else has

953
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: to say what anyone's opinion was. Manielmers was incredible. How

954
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: about Gary Sheffield? And trust me, he was a Yankee,

955
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: He was a brave We have plenty of reason not

956
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: to like Gary Sheffield. Yes, Gary Sheffield was one of

957
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: the most intimidating hitters of his time. Did he throw

958
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: balls away to get traded? By the Brewers intentionally, That's

959
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: what I've been told. I don't know, but he was

960
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: one of the best hitters of the generation. The guys

961
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: should be in the Hall of Fame. Now Here is

962
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: my take on this ballot, because one of the names

963
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: on it we kind of forget. But he was really

964
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: one of the best at his time. That's Francisco Rodriguez's

965
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: very interesting.

966
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's it.

967
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: I know, uh because I remember looking at his stats recently,

968
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: within the last like two months or so, and in

969
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: terms of closures, and I think this is also a

970
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: little bit of the timing and the fact that the

971
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: closer position is still relatively new to the game of baseball.

972
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: But he's he's up there.

973
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: Not only is he up there, but he and Billy

974
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: Wagner are both on this ballot. Who It's insane, Yeah,

975
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: it's insane. So before the show, I use the Baseball

976
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: Reference Player comparison tool, which is a great tool, especially

977
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: for this time of year when these conversations are hot

978
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: and raging. And this is what I'm going to be

979
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: preaching at Thanksgiving dinner, is the following. If you compare

980
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: both Billy Waggon and Francisco Rodriguez to the man who

981
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: the Reliever of the Year award is named after, and

982
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: Trevor Hoffman in the National League. At least, both of

983
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: these guys had better adjusted e ras in their career.

984
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: And I know that's just one metric to go based off,

985
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: but they both had better adjusted the rays than Trevor Hoffman.

986
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: And Hoffman was Was he a first ballot guy? No,

987
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: what baut was he?

988
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll get that for you.

989
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: But I know for a fact he's not first ballot

990
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: because I believe they made him. I don't want to

991
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 3: say they made him sweat out because that means like

992
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: they don't.

993
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Like No, I think they did make him sweat out

994
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: because he was like the first closer closer closer, like.

995
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Year, third year he was okay out of ten. That's

996
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: pretty early on. That's pretty early on if you compare.

997
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, Billy Wagner is head and

998
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: shoulders better than Trevor Hoffman across the board, fip e R,

999
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: a plush strike at rate, walk right, you name it.

1000
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: Billy Wagner needs to be in the Hall of Fame,

1001
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: and he needs to be in the Hall of Fame

1002
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: right now. But my point is that if if Trevor

1003
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: hoffins in the Hall of Fame, k Rod has a

1004
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: riveting Hall of Fame case riveting and no one talks

1005
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: about it. No one remembers how good k Rod was,

1006
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: and especially us met fans because he came here and

1007
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: things didn't go so well and there was an incident

1008
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: or two and we don't have to get into that.

1009
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: But Francisco Rodriguez low key when you compare him Billy

1010
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: Wagner Trevor hoffmin is a Hall of Famer.

1011
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: I think the I think the thing that's gonna be

1012
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: tough with k Rod, and I fully agree that Billy

1013
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: Wagner should be. I'm not necessarily sold on k Rod.

1014
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: But this is also the weird thing where Baseball Hall

1015
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: of Fame gets into is you have compilers, and compilers

1016
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: get rewarded.

1017
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: In base offten was a compiler, correct, And it's like, I.

1018
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: Don't I don't like Trevor hoffin slander because he still

1019
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: is relatively one of the greatest closers ever because he

1020
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: was able to do it over that length of time

1021
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: more than anybody. But at the same time, like it

1022
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: gets into that weird argument of okay, so then are

1023
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: you giving guys the Hall of Fame vote because of

1024
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: a great prime or a great career, because I think

1025
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: that's really what the argument comes down to two. And

1026
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 3: that's a big thing with a guy like Scott Rowland,

1027
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: because like a guy who had like a great prime

1028
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: overall career was great still, but is he a Hall

1029
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: of Fame career player.

1030
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: I think the thing that really drives his Hall of

1031
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Fame vote, which is the most frustrating part, is almost

1032
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: totally about narrative unless the players like hend shoulders above everyone.

1033
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Hoffman spent almost his entire career bar of like what

1034
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: fifty one hundred innings with the San Diego Padres. He

1035
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: was synonymous with the organization at a time of relative success.

1036
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: He was squeaky clean, he was super cool, He was

1037
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: very nice. Like he he just had, He just was.

1038
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: He like was closed. He defined nationally closers for a

1039
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: period of time, and that was also when guys weren't

1040
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: throwing particularly hard. Yet he was able to mix up

1041
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: his speeds and his locations and do that. Then also, again,

1042
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Rowland, who I think is strongly should

1043
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. He was when he

1044
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: wasn't once he went to the Cardinals, which was I

1045
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: think the bulk of his prime. He did some of

1046
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: his best years early with the Phillies. He was very

1047
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: clearly never the best player in his team. That was

1048
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: a team that probably, which is kind of funny, just

1049
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: based on the talent they had underchieved. The underachieved a

1050
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: little bit in terms of World Series wins, and his

1051
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: prime was kind of one of the Like after one

1052
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: of the best years his entire career, he ripped up

1053
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: I believe it was his knee and like lost at

1054
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: and will have been another probably six seven or eight

1055
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: war season. And then you look at the guy like

1056
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Wagner who changed teams multiple times how arm issues was

1057
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more I want to say, like rugged,

1058
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: then a lot. And then a guy like Trevor Hoffman.

1059
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: He was a little, you know, a little tougher. But

1060
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we've met Billy Wagner. He's he's a genuine sweet,

1061
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: awesome Let's get him on the podcast. I'd love to

1062
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: get him on the podcast. Guy like k Rod, who

1063
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: John said had been of a checkered time. He also

1064
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: when you when you when you sign a big contract

1065
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: like k Rod, you just have that burthen Of. I

1066
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: only I don't know what's what's we're looking for, burthen Of,

1067
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: what burden of expectation? And it kind of hurts your

1068
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: narrative more so than a guy like Hoffman who just

1069
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: like he just kind of he he was always the same,

1070
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: just went right through it, just got up and went

1071
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: to put a hard had on and went to work.

1072
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: So that's fair, and I think this also brings the

1073
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: same thing.

1074
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: It's like, then you have a guy like Andrew Jones,

1075
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: whose prime is one of the craziest, like for a

1076
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: center fielder, but he's he is a Hall of Famer,

1077
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: Like I think he's fringy, and I think they're gonna

1078
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: let him in eventually, like at the end of the time.

1079
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 1: But then you also look at a guy like Andrew

1080
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: Jones and you compare him with a guy like Kenny Lofton,

1081
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: who while he didn't have as high of heights, he

1082
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: did it for longer and he still had a couple

1083
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: of those fantastic years. When you look at their careers

1084
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: next to each other in terms of full career accolades,

1085
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: very similar wars by the end of it, Like that

1086
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: is another guy who's he dropped off the ballot so quickly,

1087
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: and was so talented, was such a force for period

1088
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: of time, had great runs in the postseason. It's it's so,

1089
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: it's so not it's just not a meritocracy. How to

1090
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: figure this out? And that is the most frustrating part

1091
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: about this Hall of Fame stuff.

1092
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: Wait, you have guys that just fill out blank ballots

1093
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: because they're like, well, I'm boycotting this era, so then

1094
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: don't vote.

1095
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: Don't vote the people who get their systems. It's annoying.

1096
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the system needs to be cleaned up. And this

1097
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: is what I really hope happens as our generation, people,

1098
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: our age, you know, join the BBWAA. Like what was

1099
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: it twenty twelve or thirteen when Dan Levatard famously turned

1100
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: in an empty ballot and then bragged about it, and

1101
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: I think he had his vote actually taken away. It's

1102
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: it's those people. There are people that haven't covered this

1103
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: sport in a decade plus that still have votes. Yea.

1104
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: And and you know it's something against these people, these voters.

1105
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: But if you're not plugged in, you shouldn't have to

1106
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: say on this because what you're doing is you're just

1107
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: devaluing the Hall of Fame. Like my point with Manny Ramirez,

1108
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: I know Manny is one of the greatest hitters of

1109
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: all time, and if the voting body is going to

1110
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: tell me that he's not, I'm not going to pay

1111
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: attention to what the voting body has to say. I

1112
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: don't need them. Here's another one, here's another one, and

1113
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: this is his last year on the ballot, And if

1114
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't get in, it's veto you can bleep this.

1115
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: It's duck and it's Jeff Kent is the best hitting

1116
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: second basement since they lowered the pitching man barn On

1117
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: barn On. It's not debatable. How is this guy in

1118
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: your ten? He's not on the Hall of Fame.

1119
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: The funniest thing about Jeff Kent is that there's one

1120
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: writer who for the last three years I can't remember

1121
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: his name, but Mark remember made the meme by him

1122
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: last year, has the dumb hair, Oh yeah wow and something.

1123
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: It is.

1124
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: He for the last couple of years only voted the

1125
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Cannon's entire ballot. God easy, that's still the value

1126
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: of the whole thing. I don't know Ken Ken is

1127
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: that good. But Ken's also got he just he wasn't clean,

1128
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't nice, he didn't have it, He didn't have

1129
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: any kind of career narrative. People he did not like

1130
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: him at all. He reporters do not like Jeff Kenn.

1131
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. Wasn't he a villain on Survivor? Wasn't

1132
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: on Survivor and everybody? Yeah, Survivor, he was him? And

1133
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: David Sampson, he's he's one of the few second basement

1134
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: that's one of the m v P. Like he almost

1135
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: a four hundred grew home runs a second basement. Yeah,

1136
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: like that just doesn't really happen. The second last year

1137
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: of Jeff Kinn's career, the one hundred and twenty seven

1138
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: w RC plus with the Dodgers, two thy, seven hundred

1139
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: forty games, twenty homers, eighty runs, eighty RB eyes, ten

1140
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: percent walks, eleven percent strikeouts. Like that's he was thirty nine,

1141
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: thirty nine years old. He did that. He really, really,

1142
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: really good.

1143
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: And I think like that late nineties to early two

1144
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: thousands everything gets clouded, especially with the steroid era as

1145
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: it's now been deemed, But that was baseball and I

1146
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: don't feel like, especially especially for the guys who have

1147
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: physically never tested positive, there was never a physical test,

1148
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: there's never suspension. You can't punish them for what was

1149
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: happening because then you're just missing a whole era of baseball,

1150
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: which was when me and James and John all fell

1151
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: in love with the game.

1152
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: A couple of years apart.

1153
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: From John, but yeah, I'm not that much older than

1154
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: you guys. And there's also a fact of like there

1155
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: was still a best of the best. I believe the

1156
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: first guy that actually failed a steroid test after Baseball

1157
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: implemented its system was a slap hitting centerfielder named Alex

1158
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: Sanchez who played for at the time, the Devil Rays.

1159
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: He was the first guy. Like it was. It was

1160
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: kind of sinker swim at the time, especially in the

1161
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: mid nineties. I don't know how much you guys have

1162
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: read up on the topic. I've read a lot of

1163
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: these books that have come out about this topic over

1164
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: the years, and from what I've learned what I've read,

1165
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: seventy five I believe the seventy five eighty percent at

1166
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: a time of baseball was doing this stuff and there

1167
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: was still a cream rising to the top. And it's incredible,

1168
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: it's incredibly it's buffoonery. To try to punish these guys,

1169
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, I mean Todd Helton's another one. Yes, I

1170
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: texted this to you guys. I don't care that he

1171
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: played a chorus Field. He could have played on the

1172
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: Moon for all I care. Todd Helton was one of

1173
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: the best hitters that we all grew up watching. Do

1174
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: you guys agree with.

1175
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: That Todd Helton is Todd Helton. The only reason I

1176
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: won't say is one of the best is just because,

1177
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: like I have, like the Bonds like that. But Todd

1178
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: Helton is one of the least appreciated players of that era.

1179
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 3: He's he gets like Larry Walker got no respect. Todd

1180
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 3: Helton gets whatever's less than no respect. He gets absolutely nothing.

1181
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: And I think it just comes back to like a

1182
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: lot of people just do oh course narrative, bubbahu, like

1183
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: scoot right past it. But just like they did with

1184
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: Aaron Out and oh he shut that down real quick,

1185
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: the Cores narrative is so tired now. It's so tired.

1186
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: It's also because there's so much dayd now that as

1187
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: much as coors Field helps the players playing in at

1188
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: that moment, it dramatically hurts you the second you leave.

1189
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: And this happens to Rockies players on a weekly basis.

1190
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: Like you have to go from chorus out of course

1191
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: course at of course, pitches move differently, the ball flies

1192
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: off the bat differently, you have to think about the balls.

1193
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: It's all completely different. So while yeah, of course you

1194
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: you look at Nolan, you look at Todd Helton, you'll

1195
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: be like, well, he had like less than one hundred

1196
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: ops plus for his career outside of the courts field

1197
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: like I would. That's the way they tear the guy down.

1198
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: He still had. That's not that they can't define a

1199
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: guy's career. And he was literally one of the best

1200
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: baseball players like I saw ever when I was a kid.

1201
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: His road ops was eight fifty five for his career.

1202
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean it was, Oh, we're talking a massive sample

1203
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: like this guy. This guy was one of the best

1204
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: players of his time.

1205
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1206
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: And the fact that we are still having this debate

1207
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: about is Todd Helton a Hall of famer? Like get

1208
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: out of your course is a Hall of famer.

1209
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad we could get John riled up.

1210
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: We haven't seen John ryled up.

1211
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: In a while.

1212
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: It's it's just and it's this time every single year

1213
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 2: that this rolls around, we have the same stupid conversations.

1214
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: I I'll never I'll never get over this. And this

1215
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: is why, seriously, you know, I would love to go

1216
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame with you guys, and I

1217
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: think it would be a great trip and we can

1218
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: do a lot of great content there. But at the

1219
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: same time, a message to the Hall of Fame, get

1220
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: it together before you lose us all. We don't need

1221
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: you guys to tell us who the all time greats are.

1222
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't. We have our own brains to

1223
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: analyze and assess what we've watched for the last ten

1224
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: twenty years.

1225
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: And that's it.

1226
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: So put the best players in. Move the agendas out

1227
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: of the way, because you're playing favorites and you're you're saying,

1228
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick on this guy for his transgression. But

1229
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: I like this guy, like you said, James, he was

1230
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: nice to me. He talked to me after the game,

1231
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hold it against him.

1232
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: Another guy, one, another one who belongs in the Hall

1233
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: of Fame. Ready for this one, hit me Kurt Schilling.

1234
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: Kurt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame.

1235
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: As as trust and trust me, I did not see

1236
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: with many things that doing things.

1237
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: But as a player, one hundred percent, he was awesome.

1238
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: Now he's statistically speaking, he's one of the most dominant

1239
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: pitches his generation. It's just we I mean, I ranted

1240
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: about this last year, just when the Poppy thing happened,

1241
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: because I did the same thing a couple of years

1242
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: ago when when the gay Mariano the first ever. One

1243
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent, the way that they move the line so often,

1244
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: it's so stupid, it makes it so as backwards. There

1245
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: impossible to trust, there's no possible way to really take

1246
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: what they do or say seriously because just the goal

1247
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: line keeps moving around, keeps moving around. Big Poppy is

1248
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: a guy who's literally he has it. He has a

1249
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: positive test. It happened, and they were like, oh, we

1250
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: cursed that one time.

1251
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: And I think what gets lost, like you, like you

1252
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: said that, you know, like it's a lot of politics

1253
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of like stuff that really doesn't

1254
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: matter that gets taken into account. Like I feel like

1255
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: what gets lost too, is that the Hall of Fame

1256
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: is made for the fans. It's supposed to be like

1257
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: essentially like a time capsule to like be able to

1258
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: look back at baseball mark.

1259
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Did you see Tom Producci's self producer video a couple

1260
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: of years ago about him opening his palot but his

1261
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: personal size leather opener in his office and spinning around

1262
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: and taking him in.

1263
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying, is like the the way

1264
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: that or the you should like have pride in being

1265
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: a Baseball Hall of Fame voter. I think that's like

1266
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: a really cool thing to have, like I get to determine,

1267
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: but it shouldn't be like this thing that is like

1268
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: your whole personality and like you hold it against players.

1269
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: But that sentence is the most frustrating part of the process,

1270
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: because this should be something that like you have thought

1271
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: about since you were a literal child, Like I get

1272
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: to vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, Like I

1273
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: would love to be gets vote in the Hall. That

1274
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool, but like it should be something

1275
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: that you take so seriously and you want to do

1276
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: everything you can to make sure you put the best,

1277
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: like the best players in. Now, some people are like

1278
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: they go take a little too far, like there should

1279
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: be ten guys on your ballot every single year. That's

1280
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: probably only true recently because there's so many guys that

1281
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: consistently get left off. But you should really just be

1282
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: able to be completely objective, take away all bias, and

1283
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: just vote for the baseball players who deserve to be in.

1284
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: And the writers have failed to do that year after

1285
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: year in our life.

1286
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: It's so funny how we US three, US four can

1287
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: have a conversation and look at this list and we

1288
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: can probably come up with relatively eight guys that we

1289
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: all agree on. But yet the writers, for some reason,

1290
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: are so far off. I don't know how something like

1291
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: that happens, because, let's be honest, I don't know if

1292
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: they have any They can't possibly have much more knowledge

1293
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: than we know.

1294
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, it was in the fame, it was

1295
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: pretty overrated. I'll just say, right now, go for it.

1296
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: John Smaltz, there you go.

1297
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: God, how about Bill Mazeroski. I mean, look, way before

1298
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: our time, but you will get his numbers. The guy's

1299
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame for one reason. He hit

1300
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: a walk off home run against the Yeas to win

1301
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty World Series. Joe Carter's not in the

1302
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. He had a walk off home run

1303
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: to win the World series. You know, there's just so many.

1304
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: Like you said, the goal line is moving. Like I

1305
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: said before, it's it's the voting pool that needs to

1306
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: be cleaned up. That's the issue right here. They need

1307
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: to take away votes from people that just do not

1308
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: have business voting, and to expand a voting pool to

1309
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: younger people from our generation who have a different who

1310
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: view the game through a different lens. It's that simple

1311
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: viewing it through a different lens and being able to

1312
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: understand the steroid era and and digest it for what

1313
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: it was. Now. I have a question for you guys

1314
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: about one interesting name on this list who I've seen

1315
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: some chatter about, and it's Mark Burley, who chance, all right,

1316
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: I won two hundred games, and I know, you know,

1317
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: obviously the win is an antiquated statistic, five time All

1318
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: Star World Series champion through a perfect game, and I

1319
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: know that these are you know, kind of like cherry

1320
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: Cherry pig bullet points. But you don't see too many

1321
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: guys accomplishing the things that Burley did, so he was

1322
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: kind of interesting to me. Maybe the hall, maybe the

1323
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: Hall very good. What about Bobby Bray does he low

1324
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: key have a better case than people give him.

1325
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: I think Bobby does low key have a better have

1326
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: a better chance people get the credit for because like

1327
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: his but he's more I'm going.

1328
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: To say this before i'm and maybe this will fit

1329
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: into what you're saying. Bobby bray You, I think is

1330
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: a guy that looks better now when we look at

1331
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: all the stats that he actually was as a player.

1332
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: And I think that's really important was how actually was

1333
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: he as a player in that time, because I know,

1334
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: like it was a loaded era of talent and maybe

1335
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 3: he did get lost in the shuffle, but I think

1336
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 3: that also speaks to that he's not one of those

1337
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: all time greats like I I can I can tell

1338
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: the story of baseball for centuries and not once mentioned

1339
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: Bobby a brau.

1340
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: Besides when he won the home run derby, like.

1341
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big rabbit, he did a ca America.

1342
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: So that's why I I don't see Bobby. I do

1343
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: agree with that. I just my point was that he

1344
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: has a case rather than being a guy who I'd

1345
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: be like yeah, slam dunkas I mean he was, he

1346
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: was really good in his prime. He just didn't he

1347
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: was never The thing about a bray You is that

1348
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: he was like very clearly never the best player in

1349
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: the league, is definitely never the best player in his position.

1350
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: He like he wasn't even on all the All Star teams,

1351
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: Like he like, that's you got it. Bib Bray was

1352
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: only a two time All Star. I feel like you

1353
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: really need to be a little bit. And that's also

1354
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: because the teams he was on, there was always a

1355
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: better guy. So that's also part of this whole Hall

1356
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: of Fame things. By the all start things. Always there's

1357
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: always so many weird little caveats that play into this

1358
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame debate, and why he gets so frustrating

1359
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: when the writers just go cavalier do something stupid.

1360
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the problem the problem with the Bray is

1361
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: that if we're going to say Manny Ramirez can't be

1362
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, and for most of their

1363
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: careers they'd been playing the same league. The letter safe

1364
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: argument sakes they did. Manny gets the All Star nod

1365
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: because he's the better appiuilt than Bobby Bray at the time.

1366
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: But now we're going to say that Manny can't be

1367
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame because he was doing steroids

1368
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: and cheating. So I have never heard a single accusation

1369
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 2: about Bobby Bray using peds. So if we're gonna penalize

1370
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: the guys that we are so convinced we're cheating the

1371
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: entire time, don't we then legit logically have to elevate

1372
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: the guys who were not cheating at the same time.

1373
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: I think logistically speaking, that does make sense as we

1374
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: as we know the baseball writers don't ever make sense.

1375
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: It's just like the fact that Billy Wagner, who was

1376
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: like an all time great reliever in terms of his

1377
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: right stats, he was very dominant, can't get in at

1378
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: all yet Marion Rivera, who was the first guy I

1379
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: ever got one hundred percent, the.

1380
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: Fact that August say it again, probably was a failed starter.

1381
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1382
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marion vera failed starter one hundred percent of the

1383
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame exactly. It's true. It's true.

1384
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got to a Yankee fan to be

1385
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: I know, we're uh, we're going off on the Hall

1386
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: of Fame and it's been great.

1387
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: But what's going to be more interesting?

1388
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think as we go with the podcast is

1389
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: like we're gonna start to see some ballots soon. We

1390
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 3: can start dissecting some people's ballots and really having some fun.

1391
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1392
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, that's how the show was built on,

1393
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: just making fun of writers.

1394
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, we did, We did are a fair

1395
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: share of that. As we're reminiscing on episode number one fifty.

1396
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: We got to bring Veto in now too, because we

1397
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: got we got some Thanksgiving stuff.

1398
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: We gotta.

1399
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: We got to talk about Thanksgiving the holidays coming up

1400
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: in just a few days, actually tomorrow for those of

1401
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: you who are listening to this, because you will hear

1402
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 3: it on Wednesday, and you know it's it's it's a

1403
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: good time to reflect and talk about.

1404
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 1: Some things you're thankful for. Bethough showing off the chest hair.

1405
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: Thanks for bringing me in, guys. I mean I had

1406
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: to open up my jacket a little. It was getting

1407
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 4: hot in here while I was down in the shadows.

1408
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 4: But I think I'm gonna keep it open for the

1409
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 4: rest of the episode, if that's okay with you, guys.

1410
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a good Italian name in Veto.

1411
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the Italian look to the unzippered quarter

1412
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: zip track jacket.

1413
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: Oh okay, track jacket. Even more so, as you guys know,

1414
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: we like to have some fun over here. We like

1415
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: to play some games, and we figured, let's do something

1416
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 3: with Thanksgiving. Since there's not really much baseball talk about.

1417
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna go around and say one thing that's overrated

1418
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: about Thanksgiving, one thing that's underrated about Thanksgiving. Do it

1419
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: all in the same time so that we have it.

1420
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: Uh, should I start? Since I was the one who

1421
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: introduced it, would you guys like me to start?

1422
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Sure?

1423
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: Overrated? It's it's it's so overrated that maybe it's underrated,

1424
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's overrated. And it's turkey. Turkey's trash. Turkey's awful.

1425
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: That's gonna that's gonna expand on this pekinka.

1426
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: Okay, doesn't matter how you cook. It doesn't matter if

1427
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: you're deep pried, if you season, if you do this

1428
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: or that. There's a reason only turkey once a year,

1429
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: it's for Thanksgiving.

1430
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: It's trash. Turkey is not good. Like, you shouldn't have

1431
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: turkey burgers, you shouldn't have anything else turkey Thanksgiving. Yeah, sure,

1432
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: irregular burger like a normal person.

1433
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: And then what about what about a turkey leg dk?

1434
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: I just I just I just prefer other meats. Turkey

1435
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: legs are fine. I was about to say my pick.

1436
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: Let's just all go around, give one and keep going

1437
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: around and give another one. My underrated thing is Thanksgiving

1438
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: is dark meat turkey. Dark mew turkey is quite good.

1439
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: It's succulent its. It's got me. As long as you're

1440
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: making the turkey right, I'll know everyone's family is making

1441
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: this turkey. But as long as it's not overcooked, it's

1442
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: gonna be very juicy, goes really well with the gravy

1443
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: and the stuffing and everything. I think dark met turkey

1444
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: is quite good.

1445
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: I want to say turkey. I'm team Mark, not a

1446
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 4: fan of turkey at Thanksgiving. I don't know about you, James,

1447
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: but every holiday I do with an Italian family, there's

1448
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: a full Italian spread and then whatever, like Thanksgiving, there's

1449
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 4: a turkey that's out that doesn't really get touched, but

1450
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: it's there. It's invited to the party.

1451
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: We That used to happen when I was younger, but

1452
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: now it's like the party that we do like half

1453
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: like a half Italian like. It will be a couple

1454
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Italian dishes mixed in, but it's mostly like the Thanksgiving

1455
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Americana stuff.

1456
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: Ours is a table setting at the most I mean,

1457
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 4: my my underrated though. I'm gonna go with the vegetables.

1458
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I am a big Brussels sprouts guy, and

1459
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: I think Brussels sprout's when prepared correctly on Thanksgiving pair

1460
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: so beautifully.

1461
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a big vegetables guy. There's not many

1462
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: vegetables in my diet.

1463
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: Probably should be. I'm twenty six years old now. Probably

1464
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: she eat a couple, but eh, I'm really I'm in

1465
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: on the mashed potatoes a little.

1466
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: When I could have mac and cheese that was a must,

1467
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: and stuffing and ham as always.

1468
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: The goat John all right, So, I mean, I'm gonna

1469
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: say something that's underrated in my opinion. But it might

1470
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: not be a very traditional Thanksgiving meal and many homes,

1471
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: but it's it's truffle mac and cheese. Actual trust I

1472
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: actual truffle.

1473
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: Actual truffle. You have a truffle mushroom that you're shaving

1474
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 4: off into this thing.

1475
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: John's shaving trus not me.

1476
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: It's not me, you you're you have somebody you're thinks

1477
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: he has a truffle mushroom. That's like a that's a

1478
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 4: that's a lot of money per Graham, expensive mac and.

1479
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: Cheese, No, I'm talking real truffles.

1480
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 4: Go to the baron.

1481
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Household for Thanksgiving? Yeah right, John's coming over to my

1482
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: house for New Years. Let's go to John's for Thanksgiving.

1483
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: Truffle mac and cheese. No, it's it was introduced on

1484
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: My father in law makes it every year, and yeah,

1485
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. He did it one year and then the

1486
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: next year he like kind of forgot about it. And

1487
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: I was like, Gary, what do you mean you forgot

1488
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: about it? It was the best thing I've ever eaten

1489
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: in my life. And you know, I'm not a big

1490
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: mac and cheese guy three hundred and sixty four days

1491
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: out of the year, but that's one. That's one day

1492
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: where I will absolutely splurge on it wholeheartedly.

1493
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: So I don't think you forgot about it. I think

1494
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 4: he couldn't take out a small business loan.

1495
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: John's like Will Ferrell and the other guy's like No.

1496
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Speaker 1: I was very much looking forward to the water.

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Speaker 3: I would say, my underrated thing and this is this

1498
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: gonna be really really niche. But I have good reasoning why.

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Speaker 3: So everyone talks about football. You love football on Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: I do, But you know what I love about the

1501
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: football games on Thanksgiving, the halftime shows. The halftime show

1502
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 3: is electric, and there's one in particular that always comes

1503
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 3: to mind, and it's Creed.

1504
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: When Creed was flying across Cowboys field. That is one

1505
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: of the best gifts of all time.

1506
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: And you only get moments like that during the fifteen

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: minute halftime show at Thanksgiving.

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 4: You know what I think is underrated on Thanksgiving? It's again,

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: it's not a food thing. I like the lane that

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 4: you just took this into. I like when I go

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01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 4: somewhere and they have the Friends Thanksgiving Marathon on TV.

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Friends guy. Friends put out a

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 4: great Oh dude, they put out a great They put

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 4: out a great Thanksgiving thing. They invented the Friends Giving era.

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: That part is actually true. I'll give you credit for

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: their cultural impact, but to say it's good content, I think.

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 4: There's Thanksgiving episodes where I mean, you got a head,

1518
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: you got a turkey on somebody's head dancing around? How

1519
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: can you? How can you not have a ball when

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 4: you're watching that? But Friend, I don't even like Friends.

1521
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: James Be Good because that that like, that catalog pales

1522
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: in comparison to the Office's Christmas catalog. Every single Office

1523
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: Christmas episode is a complete banger. They get one gets

1524
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: better than the next. It's incredible. I I this direct

1525
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: shot John, but it's like different because I'm not, like

1526
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm not super wealthy with the truffles and everything. My

1527
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: overrated Thanksgiving thing is mac and cheese. It's just I

1528
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel I just feel no desire for

1529
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: them Thanksgiving at all. I'm never been a big mac

1530
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: and cheese guy anyway, and now I can't eat either

1531
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: of the things that make up mac and cheese. But

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01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: there was always just like maybe as a function of

1533
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: my body not being able to digest, it made me

1534
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: tied then more full than I probably ever would could

1535
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: possibly be. But it's just like, I don't know, if

1536
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: you get the I mac and cheese is like two softs,

1537
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: It's like it's just ruined the whole meal. Like give me,

1538
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: give me the fun stuff.

1539
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: You gotta have the baked mac and cheese, so you

1540
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: put it in the get some bread that's not on,

1541
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: you know, But to hate mac and cheese to call

1542
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: it over I think it's at overrated.

1543
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: Well. The thing is that there's there's so many variations

1544
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: of mac and cheese that it's it's a tough it's

1545
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 2: a tough thing to call overrated underrated really, because there's

1546
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: so many different Like I said, ways.

1547
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: To I've got gold in your mac and cheese.

1548
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: You can have a lot of different things. I've got

1549
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: a good one. I've got a good one. Obviously football

1550
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: owns today, right, But what I think is underrated at

1551
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 2: that Thanksgiving is all the other sports that are going

1552
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 2: on on Thanksgiving. And I say that in a little

1553
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: bit of a degenerative way.

1554
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: I have I have a guess. I have a guess.

1555
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: Is hockey on during Thanksgiving.

1556
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 4: And one Giving?

1557
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay?

1558
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: No, no, So usually every team plays on Wednesday and

1559
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: then there might be one game between a couple of

1560
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: Canadian teams on Thursday night, but it's very rare. Sometimes

1561
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: the league goes dark. Usually Europe, the league has games

1562
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: all day. Now this Thanksgiving, we are blessed and it

1563
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: hasn't hasn't come up once, and I don't know how,

1564
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: but we are blessed with World Cup action. That's incredible

1565
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: and it's a heck of a lot better than the

1566
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: Lions football, although the Lions are an entertaining team this season,

1567
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: but on top of the Europa League football each and

1568
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: every Thanksgiving. There's also low key good college basketball games

1569
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving. There's always the tournament going what is it?

1570
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: The Place Now Invitational and the Atlantis Battle for Atlantis,

1571
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: and you always have a couple of matchups between ranked teams.

1572
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: There aren't great sports like parlaying. The football games is boring.

1573
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: You know, you have usually the Lions stink, the Cowboys

1574
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: are always going to let you down the Sunday night

1575
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: or the night game, who knows. But when you get

1576
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: the college hoops involved, now we're cooking up parlays, cooking

1577
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: with gas. So it's all the other sports Thanksgiving that

1578
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: I actually think is underrated doesn't get enough love. The

1579
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: football is the overrated part. How about that?

1580
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, yeah, I mean we did.

1581
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 3: We didn't talk much about the World Cup. This is

1582
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: a baseball podcast. I got to assume that the ven

1583
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 3: diagram of baseball fans and soccer fans is maybe about

1584
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: ten people that listen to this.

1585
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: Podcast, so it might be tough, but I will say

1586
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: World Cup is awesome. You should watch it. Yeah, World

1587
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 1: Cup's electric and the time difference with is a guitar color?

1588
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: Do we know guitar.

1589
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: No, no, it's refine. People say cutter a right truffle.

1590
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: Johnny truffles, Johnny truffles. Y truffle is actually a good one.

1591
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: But the time is great.

1592
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: Here's the trouble man, Just do your father.

1593
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: In law, Gary Truffles. You can't gotta believe that one

1594
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: be though well, I mean, unfortunately.

1595
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: We'll be able to spend Thanksgiving with the Mets up boys,

1596
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 3: will be with the family. But of course, I hope

1597
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: you guys have a happy Thanksgiving. Hope everyone enjoys it.

1598
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: Same thing with the Mets up listeners. Hope you guys

1599
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: have a good time. Everybody stay safe. Be careful with

1600
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: frying the turkeys, of course is very dangerous.

1601
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: And be careful. Wednesday night, of course, always be careful.

1602
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: Wednesday night amateur.

1603
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: Night, and Friday and Friday morning. Black Friday shopping, yes,

1604
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: definitely be careful.

1605
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: Black Friend, the minefield, the store that might be Black

1606
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: Friday shopping is the most overrated thing.

1607
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 4: It's now like.

1608
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: Us. It's it's not the right okay, it's the rock.

1609
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: The competition.

1610
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: I just love the smell of a Best Buy on

1611
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: a Friday after Thanksgiving. God, that's just nothing.

1612
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 3: Better you Annie Mole's shopping in store at in person

1613
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: at stores when you could just.

1614
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: Buy things online. My my aunts will go out like

1615
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: after dinner and like start get ready. It's crazy.

1616
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 4: Eight years.

1617
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: You gotta go, Vito, it's great, it's great, you're missing out.

1618
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: You'll love again. The mad Black Friday into into Thanksgiving Thursday.

1619
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: That was that was that was a bridge too far

1620
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: for me. All Right, I'm gone.

1621
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could have John go on about that. John.

1622
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: You guys saw him rant today for the first time

1623
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: in a while, so I'm sure he could go on

1624
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: about Black Friday shopping forever. But let's go ahead and

1625
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: wrap this episode up with just a few quick things here.

1626
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: Want to talk about something cool that happened in baseball,

1627
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: especially because it has to do with the Mets. Uh

1628
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: the first ever.

1629
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: Girl woman female to be active on a woman yeah

1630
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: d one roster for baseball uh at University of Brown.

1631
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: Shout out to Olivia. I hope I'm pronouncing your last

1632
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: name right, Pichardo, Olivia Pichardo.

1633
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: I also believe that she.

1634
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: Has interned with the New York Mets, which is really cool.

1635
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: So I mean breaking breaking barriers here, first ever woman

1636
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: to be on an active D one roster in men's baseball.

1637
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: That's pretty sick. That's awesome. Yes, and then one more

1638
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: piece of Thanksgiving newskeeping mister met will have a float

1639
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, which it's hilarious and

1640
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: shocking at the same time. Nice, that's true. Wow, that's crazy.

1641
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And I guess last piece of news breaking

1642
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, as droublel Cabrera lifts

1643
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: him by the up rounding first base in the Winter Yeah.

1644
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: Let me tell you that gave me flashbacks when Gabby

1645
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: Sanchez clotheslined Niger Morgan after Chris Volsat throughout him. Those

1646
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: are three extremely niche names.

1647
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: That I had just dropped. But it's a fight. I'll

1648
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: never forget.

1649
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: One of the best ever, as Drouble did not take

1650
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 3: well to the bat flip in the Winter League whichever

1651
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 3: league he's in, and lit this guy up. It was

1652
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 3: it must watch if if you're watching the YouTube video,

1653
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 3: I think it might maybe pop up on here.

1654
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: If not, go search for it on Twitter. We tweeted

1655
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: out on Mets up it was awesome, all right. So

1656
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: that's where we'll wrap up. The episode.

1657
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: Guys, thank you so much for listening and watching. However

1658
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 3: you did it, Make sure you follow us on all

1659
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 3: our social media at metst up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok.

1660
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: YouTube video will be on the New York Mets channel.

1661
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: Go subscribe over there, and if you're listening to us

1662
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,360
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1663
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Speaker 3: a rating, drop us a review.

1664
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: We really do appreciate it. Follow James on Twitter at

1665
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: James Underscore Siana. We're talking some on Twitter. We're trying

1666
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: to get James Sheianas back there. We go.

1667
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: All right, good moves, good moves, and me at your

1668
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: raffneck mark with the cite. Thank you guys for listening

1669
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: and watching, and we'll catch you after the holidays for

1670
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 3: our next episode.

1671
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: Peace Out, Go Blue, Peace Out, guys, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Go Bucks, Get up, Get up, Get up,