1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stick, DJ and 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: Buck with you. Buck excited about this one man. We 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: got a chance to have a friend and a really 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: an awesome, awesome guest on the show today. He has 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: ESPN college football analyst Greg mcclroy. Really one of the 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: best in the business. That's someone we've been looking forward 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: to chat with about all that's going on in the 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: world of college football. So here's our conversation with Greg McElroy. Well, Greg, 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: appreciate you man, appreciate taking some time for us. I 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: want to hit you up on some landscape questions here, 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: just of how college football's changed from when we were 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: all going through it to where we are today. And 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: I was telling Bucky the day, I said, man, people 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: can argue. Some people say it's good, some people can 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: say it's bad. What we have to agree on, gosh, 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: it is kind of entertaining. I mean, we have no 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: idea what the heck is going to happen next. 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I don't know. I'm sure you 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: guys get the question all the time. It's like, how 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: much would you have made in the Nile, and I 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: always tell him, I'm like, I really don't. I don't care, 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: as much as that sounds crazy, because it'd be great 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: to go into the NFL and or go into your 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: professional life at that head started, it's amazing, But there 26 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: was some type of purity about when we played where 27 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: everyone in the locker room was the same. There was 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: no salary cap, there was no nothing, so you were 29 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: naive when you got to the league just how the 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: world worked. Frankly, we hang on a second. I don't 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: like that guy. He makes more than me, Why you 32 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, the league was just different 33 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: in that way. So I think it's actually it's consolidated rosters. 34 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: There's fewer holes you get young in a hurry when 35 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: you get hurt in some spots because rosters are thin, 36 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: and the parody across the board. It's like the NFL. 37 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: There was a point in the season. I don't know 38 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: if it held up, but there was a point in 39 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: the season in which the margin of victory in the 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: Southeastern Conference was actually tighter than that in the NFL. 41 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: And it was like Week nine or ten. So it's 42 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: crazy how it's changed, but it certainly has become a 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: lot of fun. 44 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: I got to ask you this because being a quarterback 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: of a team that won a title, I just want 46 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: to how do you feel like that impacts the team 47 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: dynamic in terms of like people talk about the money, 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: but getting the team on the same page, not only. 49 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Coach the player, but player the player. 50 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: People not worrying about what everyone is in everyone's pocket. 51 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: I think that's why these coaches make as much as 52 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: they do. You can tell me because of the competitive 53 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: landscape and the coaching world and Jimmy Sex and also stuff, 54 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: these coaches are gonna are going through a stress level 55 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: that you cannot imagine. Just and I'm telling you you 56 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: can talk to Lane Kiffin, you can talk to Mike 57 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Elko at Texas A and M you can to talk 58 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: to any coach in the sport right now. And their 59 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: biggest challenge is getting by it genuine, authentic buy it. 60 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: And it's adjusting. And there's a point in which it 61 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: was just an arms race. Everyone go get as much 62 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: as you can from who and this school's paying more 63 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: than this school, and also the stuff. Now it's come 64 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: back to the mean a little bit, and you're starting 65 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: to see a little bit more uniformity when it comes 66 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: to contracts, and a lot of the contracts with these 67 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: guys are now signing are incentive laden deals. So if 68 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: the school goes and wins and has success, you get 69 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: paid on the back end, which to me is genius. 70 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. And I think that's 71 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: where we're kind of heading. But they're in a little 72 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: bit of before anyone knew what they were doing in 73 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: this world. It took a while for us to get there, 74 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: but we're progressing in that. In that direction, I think 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: it will be helpful with buy in and with just 76 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: culture within the locker room. 77 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think all coaches would agree on that, like, hey, 78 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: the money's fine, but let's make it incentive. Let's give 79 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: it to guys once you've done something instead of on 80 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: the front the front door before you even. 81 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Got in here. 82 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: One of the things I was curious about having, you know, 83 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: called games and been to practices and been around programs. 84 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Curious if you've seen any of this shift when we 85 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: go back to the teams, when when we were scouting, 86 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: where it was the Miami teams, the USC era obviously 87 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 2: you know coach Sabans era, we saw it in Oklahoma. 88 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: These were the most physical practices. Greg and I remember 89 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: talking to all these coaches and being like, how do 90 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: you guys bang like this? And like we got three 91 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: other five stars this guy. Something happens, you don't want it, 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: but man, we got another one we could roll in here. 93 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: And I'm watching to take it do it. Starting draft 94 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: prep and going through this, and I'm like, I haven't 95 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: seen a team where I'm like, oh, oh my gosh, 96 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: like the Georgia team of a couple of years ago, 97 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: were lines are coming on and off the field. It 98 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: seems like that talent has been dispersalb it has been 99 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: spread around a little bit more. Have you seen a 100 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: difference in the practice because of that. 101 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: It's funny that you asked that we visited with a program. 102 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: I won't say who. I don't want. I don't want 103 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: to to wear out the reputation of the head coach. 104 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: But the defensive coordinator they were missing tackles right and left, 105 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: and the defensive corners like guys, he goes to the 106 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: head coach. He goes, coach, can we please thud and practice? 107 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: We have to thud, like we don't need to tackle 108 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: to the ground but this whole tagging off stuff, like 109 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: our guys aren't in position they think they are because 110 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: it's blown dead and the good on good periods, but 111 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: we have to get nine on seven back in our 112 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: practice plan. We have to do something to just kind 113 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: of make sure that we're making the tackle. So they're 114 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: now thudding and in the last four weeks season it's 115 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: like wha the defense, you know they're playing good, you 116 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think that there's a 117 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of fear within the coaching staff because you lose 118 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: a guy, now you're dead. You're going with the freshman, 119 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: or you're going with the guy that in some cases 120 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: might be a walk on that is in year four 121 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: of his development. But it's it's a lot harder now 122 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: because one guy being out is just it completely changes 123 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: what you are. I mean, you look at a team Georgia, 124 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: I think it's the best. You guys just gouted and 125 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: watched Georgia forever. I'm not sure there's a better roster 126 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: on an annual basis, it's always elite. But you watch 127 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: it against Georgia Tech, they lose their center and they've 128 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: been without some offensive linemen this year. They lose one guy, 129 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: it's like the old line doesn't know how to block anymore. 130 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: In one game, it's like, you know, and I'm sure 131 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: they'll get it right in the event in which he 132 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: misses extra time. But in that game, in the Georgia 133 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: Tech game specifically, it was like, this is not the 134 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: Georgia offensive line we've seen forever. So I think there 135 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: is a fear there and we've seen a lot of 136 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: guys too be lost in practice this year and it's unfortunate. 137 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I think the coaches are now starting to realize, like, look, 138 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna get hurt in games, They're gonna get hurting price. 139 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: We have to at least know that we can play 140 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: at the physical level required to win games. So I 141 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 1: think we're starting to see a bit of a reversion 142 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: after we saw a lot of tagging off in the 143 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: last few years practice wise. 144 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because here and 145 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: Kirby you talk about physicality and toughness all the time. 146 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: When it comes to Georgia. I'm just so used to 147 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: them talking about Bloody Tuesday and the way they get 148 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: after it, and I think it has to be that. 149 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: One thing I want to ask you is because Sart 150 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: came out and talked about like the rankings and those things. 151 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: And one of the things that we love about college 152 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: football is those non conference matchups that are good on 153 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: good early to see where you are. But when you 154 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: don't get rewarded and the rankings for playing a tough schedule, 155 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: how much is that going to impact what we the 156 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: viewer loves is seeing these competitive matchups in September. 157 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's going to be an adjustment there, 158 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: and I think there needs to be. And I've had 159 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: conversations with higher ups in college football, is like, this 160 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: is a very easy solution. We want those games. It's 161 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: good for television, which we're all for most of us 162 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: more than others. It's good for the NFL, it's good 163 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: for scouting. I think it's also good for just figuring out, 164 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: all right, which conference can do what you know, I mean, 165 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: it's good for a lot of things. What I suggest 166 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: and what I've told people that are in places that 167 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: could maybe make adjustments is when we look at non 168 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: conference games. Non conference games, you're playing Texas against Ohio State. 169 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: So fast forward to the end of the year, Ohio 170 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: States records twelve and OHO Texas's record is nine and three. Correct. 171 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: What I would suggest is that we view on paper, 172 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: we view Ohio States record as twelve and a half 173 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: an oh we view Texas's record as nine and two, 174 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: and we removed that game. So you can only get 175 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: credit for that game, but you don't get penalized for 176 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that game. Does that make sense. There's only incentive to 177 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: play and it's not going to necessarily be held against you. So, 178 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: for example, the same can be said for Alabama. Alabama, 179 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: they're sitting there ten and two, Well, they lost to 180 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Florida State Week one, big high profile game. Well now 181 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: they're ten and one. In Florida State. On the other hand, 182 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: they would get a game and a half, so it 183 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: would be conference kind of like in the NFL world, 184 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: a division win is really worth one and a half 185 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: games as opposed to a conference win, which is about 186 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: one point twenty five. Against a non conference win on 187 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: NFC team, that's basically just one game. So I think 188 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: there's a way to weight the games a little heavier 189 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: so that we still incentivize those games getting played, but 190 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: it won't be held against you at the end of 191 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: the day when looking at your overall schedule. 192 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the cynic will soa yeah, and 193 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: don't lose to Florida. Uh, you know would be centics 194 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: answer because I was looking at it going well, usc 195 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: is a three loss team. If they don't go play 196 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: Notre Dame out of conference, they're in the same boat. 197 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: They got two losses. And then the answer would be, well, 198 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: you can't lose to Illinois. You can't go on the 199 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: road and lose to Illinois. 200 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: So and I think this, but you could also say, 201 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: like a team like Indiana, you don't get any credit 202 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: for your non conference wins. Yeah, because they play tennessa 203 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: they didn't play anybody, which is fine. We should evaluate 204 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: them through a lens of their nine to zero that's 205 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: what they are. Whereas Ohio eight. All right, they're nine 206 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: to zero against their conference, but they also get that 207 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: tent ten and a half wins because they won that 208 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: non conference game. So I think there's a way of 209 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: measuring it and adjusting it. And you, by the way, 210 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: if Texas is nine and two, SCS nine and two, 211 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: BAM is ten and one. We look at these other 212 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: teams that played games, well, Michigan played against Oklahoma Oklahoma 213 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: and then would get a win Michigan wouldn't. So that's 214 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: another three loss team that might be in the mix. 215 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: But would it even be enough to crack the argument? 216 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Maybe not, Maybe so, But I think that's a way 217 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: of kind of fixing it and still encouraging teams to 218 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: play those games, but not necessarily kill them for losing them. 219 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a child. It's a challenge trying to 220 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: figure that thing out. I think the the best way 221 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: to say it is just go win your conference. You know, 222 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: even even if you're in if you're in the big 223 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: ten in the SEC, just get to the conference game, 224 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: be one of those two teams, get in the conference 225 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: championship game. You're in the You're going to be in 226 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: the tournament here once. 227 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: We get there. 228 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: Is there a player you've seen this year? Maybe maybe 229 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: not the you know, the obvious one or whatever, but 230 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: there was a player where you left the stadium you're like, gosh, 231 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: id this guy was good on tape, but seeing him 232 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 2: live and in person, that's a different feel, and it's 233 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: like this is a this is a much better player 234 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: than I thought. 235 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the guy that I've told all the scouts 236 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: about that I've talked to is Reuben Bain at Miami. 237 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: Someone's going and is he your prototypical like where does 238 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: this fit world? No, he's kind of sought off, but 239 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: he plays with such power and he's got enough twitch 240 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: to where I think he can still be a very capable, 241 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: edge dependent I don't think he's ever going to be 242 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: a guy in the NFL that has it has twenty sacks, like, 243 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: that's not him. But he's a guy in the NFL 244 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna have eight and a half sacks and he's 245 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: going to be a problem every single week, and play 246 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: him inside and out. I just think Rubin Bain, if 247 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: you watch him on production and violence, there's very few 248 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: people I think that play better than him. Now does 249 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: it translate? I think it does, But it's not going 250 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: to be the same flash that he would anticipate for 251 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's coming off of the top five picks. 252 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: I got to hit you on this because I feel 253 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: like this is going to hit close to home. Just 254 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: give me a take on Ta Simpson and what you've 255 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: seen from him this year as a start at Alabama. 256 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: You know it's I was having a conversation with the 257 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and he said, go watch Burrows first, year 258 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: as a starter, and then go watch his second year 259 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: as a starter, because while Tye yes fourth year in 260 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the program four years, these are only his making his 261 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: thirteenth start on Saturday, so it's still a pretty small 262 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: sample size of where he can grow. I think he's 263 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: learning every week. But there was a throw. I think 264 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: it was the South Carolina game. I was talking to 265 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback coach that had a bye week and 266 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: came to watch him. It was against Oklahoma, so this 267 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: pad week to go. But he threw a ball in 268 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: the air that's sixty eight yards in the air against 269 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: South Carolina, I believe, And it was like, quote, I 270 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: didn't know he had that. You know, I didn't know 271 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: he had that type of juice. The ball, I think 272 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: jumps off his hand better than you realize. I think 273 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: his ball placement can continue to improve. There was a 274 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: point early in the year where he was anticipating throws 275 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: across the middle. Like I always watch guys as they 276 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: translate to the next level, how comfortable are they working 277 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: between the hashes? How comfortable are they working, you know, 278 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: a yard or two outside the hashes, because that's where 279 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the trouble is. And in the league like you got. 280 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Everyone makes the downfield throws on the outside the numbers, 281 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: that's I can live with that. The back shoulder throws, 282 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: all this stuff, Everyone's got that, But who can challenge 283 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the middle and thread the needle in the windows. And 284 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: I feel like he was doing it better than anybody 285 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: the way he was layering balls or defenders and things 286 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: like that. So I love him. In a perfect world 287 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: for his development long term, I think would be for 288 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: him to come back and to have one more year 289 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: playing college football. Because this is another thing too about 290 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: Tye that I appreciate a lot of the guys that 291 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: come out after thirteen, fourteen, fifteen starts, they've never experienced adversity, 292 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: you know. They it was just smooth saling and ride 293 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: their way right into the pros and they'll be fine. 294 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: Tye has gotten hit and he has whether the storm, 295 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: and I think at times he has elevated his team 296 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: and has been clutch too. Fourth down execution has been imperative. 297 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: I look at fourth down an eight throw that he 298 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: made sliding to his left against Missouri. Man coverage recognized 299 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: and anticipated it, put it in a bucket twenty two 300 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: yards downfield. That was tight. I think he's a franchise quarterback. 301 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: I really do. I just think it would be beneficial 302 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: for him to have another year, or if he gets 303 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: to the pros, have a year where he's learning from 304 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: a guy that's kind of showing him how to be 305 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: a pro, and then in year two he takes over 306 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and becomes the guy. 307 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: I know, we're all in the same boat where you 308 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: get coaches calling you and asking you, you know, hey, 309 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out whether this guy should go, 310 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: whether he shouldn't. What do you think, you know, what 311 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 2: are the expectations of where he would get picked, how 312 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: successful he would be. I don't think it's ever been 313 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: easier to make a case for a kid to come 314 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: back to school, Like when you just look at the 315 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: data and you look at the man and you're up 316 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: against it. If you haven't started a lot of ballgames, 317 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: it's just that's not a great track record. The more 318 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: you play it seems to be the more beneficial because 319 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: even when you were playing the NFL, I don't I mean, 320 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 2: whatever developmental time they could put into you, it's even 321 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: less now of what they can put into these guys 322 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: if they're not playing. And now, on top of that, 323 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: the thing was, well, gosh, I don't want to turn 324 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: down the money. There's money waiting for me. Well, now 325 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: we give you a big chunk of money at these 326 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: big schools. Now, Like it seems like it should be 327 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: an easy sell for a guy like Ty Simpson to me, like, 328 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: hey man, this is all gonna help you. You come back, 329 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: you're going to play more, We're going to take care 330 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: of you financially, maybe go win a national championship, but 331 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: it's going to make you a better professional because we 332 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: can develop you here where you're not going to get 333 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: that same development in the NFL right now. 334 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: No, My first year in the league was eleven, and 335 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: that was off the lockout when they got rid of 336 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: two A days and basically killed the development of the 337 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of the young quarterback that needed it. And it was 338 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: all in an effort for the guys that were on 339 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: the NFLPA at that time to extend their career, which 340 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: I totally don't blame them. Hey, less practices, less contact. 341 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I would do the same thing if I were in 342 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: year nine. But I was a rookie, you know, and 343 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: I needed those reps and wanted those reps desperately. And 344 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: I agree with you completely. I think there's no better 345 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: way to improve than to actually play, and especially for 346 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: a guy at quarterback that you know, ball security, nuanced, 347 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: moving in the pocket, seeing things, making adjustments, pre snapped, 348 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: identifying a protection, identifying and sliding your protection to save yourself, understanding, hey, 349 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: I got to get the ball out as hot. I 350 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: can't block them all here, seeing your blitz adjustments and 351 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: covers zero take advantage of plays. I mean, I think 352 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: that all that stuff, and and it'd be one thing 353 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: if you're running gimmicky offense that doesn't translate. Yeah, if 354 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: you're in an offense that does translate an Oregon or 355 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: or an Alabama and and an Ohio state, which I 356 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: think is an offense that now translates with how it 357 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: made tweaks. I think there's a there's a handful of 358 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: offenses that are still little gimmicky. I think you guys, 359 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: you guys know the ones, but they're that where they're 360 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: basically like, all right, throw to this guy, throw it 361 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: to your X, you know, throw it to your throw 362 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: it to your Why. I would have loved to have 363 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: played in one, Unfortunately I didn't. But I think splits are. 364 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: Wide enough where the coach can shake your hand on 365 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: the sideline before the. 366 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Shake your hand, poke you in the ear. Yeah, I 367 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: mean the ones that you know, those are not real. 368 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: Those those don't translate quite as well. So I think 369 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: if you're an offense that translates, I think it makes 370 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: a lot of sense to come back and play. But 371 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: then again, I also get it. Everyone's dream is to 372 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: be a top five pick, and there are those. There 373 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: are those horror stories, if you will, if you want 374 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: to call him that. Carson Becks an example where Carson 375 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: Beck was a top five pick. Was he ever? I 376 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: don't know, And then he comes back, doesn't have a 377 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: great year, hurts his elbow, and then starts from the ground, 378 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: and now I think we're just way back up a 379 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: little bit in the eyes of many. So there are 380 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: horror stories there too. But I always think coming back 381 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: and playing is the way i'd lean if I were 382 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: on the on the bubble of be in the top 383 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: fifteen pick, I'd rather be a top five pick, would 384 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: come back next year and establish a legacy in college. 385 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: Last one, I know, I know you got to run. 386 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna bug I know he's got to catch a 387 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: flight here. Last thing. Then we'll get you out here? 388 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: Are we You're not tell me you're not to bring 389 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: food on the plane? Guy? 390 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: Are you No? No, that's no we were. 391 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: We were having to hear this episode. There's nothing worse, man, 392 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: There's nothing you want to hear. 393 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: You want to hear a true. 394 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 2: Story real quick. So I'm on a plane and some 395 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: person sits down next to me and then they're eating 396 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: a real smelly burrito. 397 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: So I tweet. 398 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: I tweet out, I kid you not. I tweet out, like, uh, 399 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: the person next to me is just gross. It smells. 400 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: So anyways, you're sitting there. Halfway through the flight, she goes, 401 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: are you are you Daniel Jeremiah? Oh no, I went 402 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: to high school. I went to high school with the person. 403 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: What are the odds? Is that the one? 404 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 2: And so I'm talking to her why I'm trying to 405 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: delete a tweet so that sees this thing? I mean what, 406 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: it's an all time jerk move on my part. 407 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: Yea, when's your next reunion? When is your next because 408 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: that is going up on the Where are they now? 409 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah and ridiculing his high school friend unbelievable? 410 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, you know, they're just like, oh, 411 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: this guy, you know, this guy's the radio color commentator, 412 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 2: really thinks he's made it in life. Sure. 413 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: I will say this though, I will say this, if 414 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you were to bring food on the plate, there are 415 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: certain food items that are appropriate. A burrito, frankly inappropriate 416 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: food item. Bring the plate. That's just that's an aggressive 417 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: play anything the flight, no food? What airports serving it? 418 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: To go? 419 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Phillips, there's like a Phillips. There's a Phillips. 420 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Uh. And to go Chicago? 421 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you go and there people will get it 422 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: to go. 423 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 424 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: I've been on the plane whre people have busted out 425 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: some salmon next to me. Oh well, I wish you 426 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: best of luck on your flight, Greg, I hope you. 427 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: I hope you have nothing but crackers next. 428 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: To you on this Yeah. Yeah, crackers and those little 429 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: tasty bars bestro bars or whatever they're called. So yeah, 430 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys, enjoyed the show always. 431 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: You're the best man. We'll see you last. There he 432 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: goes Greg Michailroy, ESPN analyst college football analysts who does 433 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: a great job, does a great job calling games. It's 434 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: a lot harder than you think, by the way, to 435 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: call those games. Buck and someone who I think when 436 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: you watch and I always go can you explain it? 437 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: Can you make you smarter? And he does both those things. 438 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, he's so good at what he's done. 439 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: He's been able to take his career and what he's 440 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: been able to learn as a college quarterback as a 441 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: pro quarterback and really explain it. I love watching this 442 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 3: telecast and even his own podcast. He's really good at 443 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: what he does. 444 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, a really nice job. 445 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: All Right, that was a fun conversation. Hope you guys 446 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: enjoyed it, and we'll see you next time. Right here on, 447 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 2: Move the sticks.