WEBVTT - Julia Beverly Interview 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:07.360 Real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast. Yeah, it's the 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.719 world most dangerous morning to show the Breakfast Club Charlomagne 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.920 and God Angelie. And he's still in Vegas. Yes he 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.960 is Jesus Christ. He's living a life God bless. I 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.520 want to see his check. We have a Julia Beverly Hill, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.480 a former publisher of Ozone. Now he was more than 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.360 a publisher of oz On Maga. Wasn't the publisher, he 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:27.680 was the owner of oz ONWN magazine. I was the owner, publisher, editor, photographer, money, 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.960 advertising director. Yeah, I mean we had for a minute. Yeah, 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.440 Charlomagne used to do a monthly column called the Chin Check. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.639 and it was very informative. Actually did he get paid? Man? 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.440 But it was good. Yeah, we hadn't arranged. I think 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.479 Olson was huge because there was no World Star and 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.200 all that stuff back then. The only way to get 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.880 to know about sovereign wrappers through Oldzone magazine. Even I 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.520 read Ozone magazine. I grew up in Brooklyn and I 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.800 was I was into it. But you know, my favorite 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.080 party was always group because fashions. I bet, I bet. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.959 I used to be some lip service. We did some 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.440 lip service interviews. Yeah, I was actually in those magazine 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.480 a couple of times lip service when I used to 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.360 do that. You know, Angelo was one of the first 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.960 people in New York really too. I don't want to 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.720 say embrace the South, but I just felt like she 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.160 treated us like people human, yeah, rather than you know, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.520 you'd always get good that attitude from people in New York, like, oh, 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.640 y'all are not part of us. Yeah. I think part 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.160 of it was being on satellite radio though, because satellite 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.840 radio wasn't just regional, it was you know, nationwide. Yeah, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.600 that's true too, so I got to hear a lot 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.200 of different things from all over. But I've always liked 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.560 music from other places besides New York too, Yeah, but 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.279 just in general, like you go all over the country. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:40.920 And I'm not just saying this because I'm on the show, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.720 but you were really one of the first people like 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.479 in New York to really like embrace people from other 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.160 parts of the country as far as a music business, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.680 and me and Julia was always cool. Now a lot 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.720 of people used to be like, oh, Julia is so dry. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.800 I try to be nice to her. She always acts 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.560 like she don't know me every time she sees me, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.920 you know how girls me, Yeah, we get very offendive. 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.920 I get that, you know, but it's it's funny because like, 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.000 once you get in a certain posh people expect you 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.480 to be very like outgoing and happy and friendly, and 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.800 that's never been my personality. Like I am very I 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.040 have like a drive since the humor. So when people, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.079 like somebody came to the in store the other day 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.520 that we did and she was like like literally crying 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.720 to like meet me, that she was excited to meet me, 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.240 and I was like, you're excited to meet me? Like 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.560 for real, like Julia Beverley, I'm like, I'm just now 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.519 where you're dressed at because you're dressed up today and 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.320 I'm not used to seeing you like this. Angela always 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.200 teases me because I'm always the one in the club 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.600 in the jeans and the sneakers, and you know, Angel's 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.480 got the shoe game on points, so she always wants 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.120 me to go shoe shopping and step it up. So actually, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.919 like what your camera taking pictures? Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.000 And you can't when you're in heels and a dress, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.360 like you can't maneuver the way you Like I'm at 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.440 a concert, I'm like taking pictures and I'm like hopping 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.280 on speakers, and you know you can't really maneuver the 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.919 way that you that you wouldn't will come to me close. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.840 What made you all want to do a magazine focused 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.200 solely on down South hip? Like? What made you say 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.400 this is what I want? It really wasn't a decision. Initially, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.480 I wanted to be a photographer, so I would look 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.360 in like Vibe and the Source and I'd be like, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.160 who how do they get these jobs? Like how do 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.119 you get a job going to a concert and taking 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.600 pictures that looks like fun? So at first Ozone was 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.880 going to be like my portfolio to take to other magazines. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.160 And at the time when I started doing Ozone, that's 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.760 when you had the Rick Rosses, the Thugs, the Jeezys, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.079 Like there was a real movement building. And I would 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.880 go to all these cities with the magazine and I'd 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.400 be like, how is nobody seeing this? Like? Why am 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:32.640 I the only everybody? Ozone? Yeah, we really had a 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.000 great run. We did eight years two thousand and two 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.880 to twenty ten. It was a monthly publication ozonemag dot 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.280 com and it just took off. I mean, we were 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.240 really just in the right place at the right time, because, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.320 like if you look back at the very first issues 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.600 we did were more like all genres of music we did, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.720 like reggaetone, Latino music because it Orlando's very heavily focused 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.480 on that. But um, as it grew, that's when the 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.640 South was really taking off. So we were just kind 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.960 of naturally covering what was that comes into play exactly exactly. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.200 I mean, people you actually knew were cool. Yeah, we 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.120 were friends. Um he told me one time. I was 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.720 I was the only journalist he talked to. I mean, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.760 he did some great interviews with a few other people, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.240 but he in general, he didn't really like doing interviews 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.720 because he felt like he had been you know, misquoted 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.320 or people didn't really understand him. And so we kind 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.360 of gave him like kind of how Charlotmagne did the column, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.159 like he was doing a month's column, Like we gave 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.440 him a platform to just say whatever he wanted to say, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.680 and we didn't edit it, we didn't censor it or 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.560 anything like that. So I think he appreciated that. And 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.200 this is Pimpsy's son right here by the way, shout 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:39.360 out the core just so you know, so you guys, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.159 it's not her security. I was like, damn, I knew 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:47.080 Julia like black guys, that are right, you can't tell 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 us Sonny he kind of a favor now. He definitely 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.000 looked like him. Now let's talk about this book though, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.800 because I posted a picture, I was excited to get 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.760 it early. And congratulations on you. I know this too. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.960 You're a long time to do. You couldn't even get 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.200 a publisher to do the But for you, you did 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.440 everything yourself. Why couldn't you get a publisher for a book? 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.320 That's a great question. I mean I I approached publishers. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.599 I talked to book agents when I first initially decided 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.880 to do the project, and they would just be like, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.320 who is pimp C Like maybe my book proposal wasn't 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.720 good enough. I don't know, but I didn't get much interest, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.880 if any, And I think they just don't understand, you know, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.280 the way that um, the way that a New Yorker 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.760 might react like to a jay Z. That's the way 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.040 someone in Texas would react to it, what I see, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.080 And but they don't know that if they're not there. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.719 So if you're not in Texas or you're not in 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.640 the South, like you may not understand. Like I knew 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.200 from doing Ozone, people love to read about Pimsel, like 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.719 even jay Z. I mean, I knew there was an 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.320 audience for it, but I wasn't finding anyone really who 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.600 understood that. So I got to a certain point in 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.480 the project and I said, I'm just gonna do it myself. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.960 I mean that's I said, what would pimp do? Pimp 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.720 would have just done Kim, Yeah, what would pimp do? Now? Why? 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.520 Seven hundred pages? And it's definitely on my last three 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.360 because I do enjoy reading. I'm glad you've seen it 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.800 to me early. But his seven Corey was born around 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.760 page you know. I tried to trim it down. I mean, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.360 it really is. I've had people say that they were 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.640 able to get through it quickly because it's an easy read. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.880 It's not like, yeah, it's not a hard it's not 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.960 a hard read. I tried to write it like almost 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.800 like a movie script, so you're going from like scene 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.120 to scene and you're kind of following the story. So 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.480 it's not a dry, you know, textbook. But um, at 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.040 first at the very beginning with his mom. Yeah, it's 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.120 really based around his mom basically narrated the book for me, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.520 and his mom was awesome. She she passed away unexpectedly 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.160 before we could actually put the book out, but we 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.000 had finished, you know, going through his whole life. And 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.200 what I found was that she was a major part 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.279 of his success and just you know, his the attitude 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.920 that he had and these these funny catchphrases that he had, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.440 like he got all that from his mom. Like so, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.480 so hanging out with her was basically like hanging out 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.280 with him. So I would just go to her house. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.560 She would just cook for me all day, tell me stories. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.080 He would be stealing my iPad running around the house, 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.840 and um so she you know, she really was, She 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.640 really was the story. Like that's ultimately. Ultimately, what I 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.960 found was that the story was him and his mom. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.360 You know, it's it's about rap, but I feel like 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.320 it's something that anybody could relate to because it's really 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.240 about family. And his mom was their manager, Ugk's manager 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.240 for ten fifteen years. Like she was very involved, like 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.040 not only in his life, within his rap career as well. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.160 Because people worp sat Now posted the picture of the 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.640 book and people started going in saying that his you know, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.640 his wife would have a problem with this book coming out. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.560 They didn't want it to come out, and how dare 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.880 you and so on and so forth. But you had 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:34.680 his mother's approval, right obviously, because she cooperated with it. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.239 So explain a little bit about what went on behind 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:38.840 the scenes and trying to put something like this out, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.400 because people don't understand you can still even without the 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.160 consent of the family, you can still put out a book. Yeah. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:45.600 I mean, you have a lot more freedom with a 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.720 you know, we have freedom of speech in Americas. You 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.960 have a lot more freedom with a book than maybe 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.760 say an album or something like that. But you know, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.720 it's complicated. There's there's division in Pemp's family. So when 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.280 you talk about Pimp's family, it's not like it's one entity. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:04.120 I have a great relationship with most of the family. Yeah, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.440 well he had. You know, he has two older sons 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.440 prior to him getting married, and so his his wife 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.920 and his mom never got along. So initially, when I 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.320 had the idea, you know, I called Bun, I called 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.160 his wife, I called his mom and said, you know, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.200 how would you feel about me doing this book? Everybody 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.560 said it was a good idea. I moved forward. This 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.880 was a four or five year process doing the research. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.120 So over that time, you know, as I got closer 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.520 to his mom, his wife just kind of stopped communicating, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.520 I think because of whatever issues they had, and um, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.200 and you got to think too. I mean, it would 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.360 be hard, I think, to read a book like this 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.800 because Pim pad he had other relationships with other women, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.080 you know, and so that might be hard to read. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.760 But it's still it's the truth, you know. It's not 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.240 like I made it up. I could be wrong, but 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.640 I remember, didn't Y'll start working on this before Pim died. No, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.360 I mean we did interviews. He would do interviews for 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.800 the magazine like pretty much every month, so we had 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.160 you know, anytime I needed anything, like any type of 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.400 content or I need a rapper to comment on this topic, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.520 like he would just always he would just always called 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.400 me anyway, and I'd be like, hey, we're doing If 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.959 I didn't ask him, yeah, well he would call me 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:06.440 at like three four in the morning all the time, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.200 which that was like his his mo. He would call 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.520 everybody at like four in the morning and just be like, hey, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.760 what are you doing and just start talking. So he 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.120 would just call me and say, hey, I want to 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.720 do a column. I want to put this in the book. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.679 So I had probably you know, twenty interviews with him, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.880 and I was able to use a lot of that content. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.920 So we had never actually talked about like doing a book. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.360 But um, when I approached his mom with the idea, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.040 like he had told her so much about me that 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.640 she was already like totally on board with it. You know, 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.079 she was like, Oh, he told me, you know, he 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:34.760 told me all about you, and he loved you and 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.679 your you know, your work ethic and all that. So 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.719 I feel like he would have wanted me to do it. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.440 Why pimp C specifically, because I mean you came up 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.800 around everybody, I mean from the cash Runnies too, you know, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.160 the Jezs Rosses. Whoever, Why t I? Why pimp C? 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:50.719 What drew to Pi? He has it? He has a 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.000 great story, and he was just such a character. And 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.439 he had so many other characters in his life, Like 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.800 even just sitting down with his friends and family, like 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.959 I got into their story. He's like, they're telling me 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.520 their story, and right, you should write a book. You know. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.839 He just had a lot of really interesting characters in 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.160 his life. And I almost called it. I was going 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.640 to call it the Six Degrees of Pempsley because in 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.319 throughout the book you have the Dungeon family story, you 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.640 have the No Limit story, the cash money story, the 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.319 Little Boosey story, the TI story, like all kind of 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.600 weave weaved into the book because he touched all those 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.839 people in one way or another. So I didn't actually 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.120 realize like just how connected he was to everybody. Now, Cray, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.360 did you read the whole book? Not check? I'm getting 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.880 through it. How is it difficult for you to read that? 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.640 How you learn any things you didn't know about your dad? 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.520 I'm learning a lot of stuff that I didn't know. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.480 But it's not really difficult. But at some part, so 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.160 you know, like you said, I put it down, but 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.520 I think it back up, like get through it. So, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.360 but it's some things that you learned that you didn't 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:52.319 know that you were surprised a lot, like like some 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.360 of his day you know, he had a pocket full 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.480 of do you know that used to be my favorite song? 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.760 And I was little still mine mind? Now right? You said, 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.040 you said you found out a lot of dirt, But 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:09.240 what about personality wise? Here was a character? No, but 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.760 my mama always Tim, I'm just like him. Now see 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:17.040 what she's talking about? Just know not how I let yet, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:24.920 but let So what's your relationship like with Bombing? Who 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.440 we talked? I mean if we see each other, we speak, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.160 but in that we don't really communicate. Okay, but you 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.280 know it's not how it feelings and nothing, but just 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.480 how it is. Were you excited for this book to 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.959 come out? Yes? What about so other family members besides Corey? 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.559 And um, his mom was on board? Who else do 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.800 you feel like was really? Because I'm sure with the 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.880 other artists that you interviewed in this book. When his 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.320 wife then had a change of heart, did that make 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.600 other people have a change of heart too? I mean, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.440 some people definitely are putting a hard position, I feel like, Um, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.560 but all I can say, you know, as a writer, 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.080 what I what I always try to do is get 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.720 everyone's input. So I definitely gave his wife plenty of opportunities. Hey, 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.200 if you want to, you know, I'm not I'm not biased. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.000 I'm not on anybody's side. If you want to give input, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.600 that's fine. But you know, if I interview two hundred 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.640 and fifty people, and two hundred and forty of them 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.240 say negative things about you. I don't really have too 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.400 much of a choice of what to write. So um, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:26.679 I could see why maybe she would be, you know, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.679 concerned about the way that she would come across in 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.120 the book. But if I if I'm just repeating what 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.000 I'm told, you know, a couple of stories that are 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.960 in the book for people who haven't gotten yet, because 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.400 it is gonna be quite a readism a million stories 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.679 in here. It's over seven hundred pages, so just give 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.360 us like a couple of highlights situation in that it 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:51.280 is like the details of that that actually started that 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.520 was partly my fault. Um Pimple would just call me, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.200 you know, as I said, like at four or five 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.400 in the morning. So he calls me one time and 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.240 he says, uh, I want to do a call him, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.040 So okay, cool. So he was like, call me tonight, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.560 you know, we'll do the interview whatever. So I finally 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.600 get him on the phone and it's like five six 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.719 in the morning or whatever. He was just on one 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.640 like he was just going off. He said he had 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.199 just seen the little Troy had made a video like 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.400 talking about rap a lot or something. He was mad 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.679 about something he had seen, so he just started going 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.760 off and he said something about he was like dissing somebody, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.840 but didn't say a name, and I think I had 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.200 asked him, like, was he talking about Jeez. He was like, oh, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.000 I didn't say Jeezy's name or whatever, So I didn't 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.079 think he was actually dissing Jeezy. But then when the 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.920 article came out, you know, the hot one oh seven 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.600 in Atlanta called him. He did that crazy radio interview 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.520 that a lot of people heard, and Jeez, I guess, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.760 found out that he was dissing him, or you know, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.679 took it, took offense to it, and that's kind of 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.120 how that started. But I think he was upset because 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.360 he had done a verse for Jeez for free, and 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.839 then Jeez's label like sent him an invoice when he 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.199 wanted to get the favor reciprocated. So it was kind 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.640 of he was upset with a few artists over similar 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.520 ludicrous and you know, sometimes it's it's like record label business. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.760 Now the label might send an invoice and maybe it's 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.880 not coming from the artists directly. But when he came 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.120 out of prison, it was like a huge transition had 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.480 taken place in the music industry because prior to him 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.520 going in, It was like, Okay, you're my friend, we're 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.000 gonna get in the studio, we're gonna work. And it 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.680 wasn't like a money you know, financial transaction um type 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.040 of thing. And then when he came out, you know, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.320 hip hop is a huge, like billion dollar industry and 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.920 it's all about you know, the labels sending this person 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.640 an invoice and there's clearances and stuff like that. So 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.080 I think he took offense to that in a number 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.480 of situations, did a reconcile before His mom told me 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.240 that he had intended to Like one of their last conversations, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:39.760 he said, I want to reach out to him and 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.160 make it right. So she said that he intended to 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.440 smooth things over with Jez and he kind of regretted 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.320 that he had made those comments, and um, Jess actually 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.400 shouted pimp out on stage the other night he did 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.960 his tenure anniversary concert in Atlanta. So I think that 0:14:54.120 --> 0:15:00.240 situation probably would have been fixed had he not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, love, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.440 I think they're they're they're good. You going with his 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.280 relationship with master P as well, Yeah that. I mean 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.840 a lot of people have heard there was always like 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.480 rumors of you know, Masterp, like pistol whipping him and 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.480 kidnapping him, and so I really wanted to get to 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.360 the bottom of like what actually happened. So I actually 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.160 talked to the people who were at the hotel that night, 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.360 is what actually did happen. So yeah, that actually I 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.560 don't know if i'd say kidnapped, but yeah, master P 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.840 ran up in his hotel room with four people held 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:32.000 him down, pistol whipped him. Yeah, yeah, you might want 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.880 to read this. Well, Pimp had kind of and then 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.440 Pimp kind of fell back because he said, well, I 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.880 kind of started it because I was I was talking crazy. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.320 What what spark that was? You know, they had some 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.440 issues to begin with. There was a dispute over like 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.760 some some money or some equipment that was supposed to 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.520 take place, and um, he had master Pa cussed out 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.160 see his mom on the phone, but she was the manager, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.120 you know, she she had a mouth on her too, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.720 So I guess they had gotten into some kind of 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.600 spat and Masterp said, you know, said something crazy to her, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.960 And so Pim got on stage that night and he said, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.720 had the crowd say, you know, a limit and just 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:09.480 went off. So, um, master he eventually found him, and 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.480 I guess somebody said it was it was a love whipping, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.040 like he you know, wanted to let him know he 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.280 could be touched, but not you know her. But his 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:19.960 mom said that that really that was part of the 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.920 reason that Dirty Money took so long to take out 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.640 to come out, because it kind of threw off his whole, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.760 Like she said, he was just very upset for like 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.440 a couple of months after that, like it just killed 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:35.480 his whole like creative, yeah, yeah, yeah, um. And then 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.720 of course there are other scenarios in here of him 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.880 his relationship with other women and everything. So yeah, I 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.160 try not to get I tried not to be messy, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.040 you know, I try not to get to the book. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.880 You might as well put in getting some poo poom too. Well, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.200 it's not it's not a salacious it's not, um right, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.360 not like graphic. But yeah, he had other women in 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.160 his life. Um, there's an interesting story. He went to 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.960 a psychic about a couple of months before he passed, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.919 and the psychic was his like one of his girlfriend's sisters, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.560 and um, their stories was was interesting. He was just 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.760 asking it was it was weird. He was asking questions 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.600 about like different people around him like trying to. You 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.440 could sense that he was maybe he was, um not 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.280 trusting some of the people around him, so he was 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.720 he went to a psychic actually asking about these people, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.840 like what do you see when you when I say 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.680 this name? And that was like his girlfriend's sister. She 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:26.879 could have been like, I think you need to be 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.880 with my sister. All right, Well the book is available 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.840 rap at chapter Yeah. Um, well that was very interesting 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.160 to me because I didn't get into hip hop until 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.880 two thousand and two, so I didn't know that there 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.320 had been this huge like the DA was really trying 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.159 for like a decade to get rab A Lot, you know, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.119 get j Prince On under federal indictment basically. And so 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.640 what they tried to do was set up a lot 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.840 of people that worked for rap a Lot or were 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.280 affiliated with rap a Lot. They would they would set 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.479 up situations where they have somebody calling and say, hey, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.320 there's a cooler in a hotel with with ninety thousand 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.000 dollars in it, and I'll leave the room key for you. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.119