Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Today is Wednesday,
Speaker 1: April fifth, twenty twenty three, as we are twenty two
Speaker 1: days away from the NFL Draft in Kansas City, Missouri.
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Speaker 1: definitely draft time. Here from the Star in Frisco. We've
Speaker 1: got Bobby Belden Studio, Brian Bradis Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's Chris Beam running everything in the back. How are
Speaker 1: we doing? Everybody great? Never better, never better. Everything's up,
Speaker 1: nothing's down. That's awesome. Doro pointing up. Yeah. You guys
Speaker 1: getting to the point now where you're just trying to
Speaker 1: decide these last few guys. You're like trying to feel
Speaker 1: if they deserve to be on your board or not.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, you'll get to that point. I'm getting to
Speaker 1: that point, like I'm not going to add another guy
Speaker 1: here just because I'm looking at another guy, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit of that more just like the do
Speaker 1: I have a blind spot, like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if there's somewhere where I'm just I'm missing somebody that,
Speaker 1: like I remember, oddly enough, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I got started way too late on Kelvin Joseph because
Speaker 1: I just I didn't have him in the mix. Somehow
Speaker 1: I'd overlooked it. And so that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do right now. I was just just trying to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm not like overlooking somebody who's like really substantial. That
Speaker 1: was Duran Bland for me last year. Duran Bland. I
Speaker 1: didn't even have him on my board. I barely had
Speaker 1: him on even the draft magazine last year, and he
Speaker 1: showed up as a thirty visit and then I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we should go watch this guy and see
Speaker 1: what's going on here. And even when I watched him,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you would be what he was
Speaker 1: this year. I don't think any of us expected him
Speaker 1: to be the Dran Bland we saw as a rookie.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I really I missed him,
Speaker 1: I think last year, and so I'm doing the same thing, right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you know, it's one thing for
Speaker 1: us to miss somebody. Teams don't need to miss these guys,
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying this as long as you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the you know, when you when you have
Speaker 1: the really the guys and the gals that do this
Speaker 1: like full time, the media, you know, the Dame Bruglers
Speaker 1: of the world and those guys. They they start on
Speaker 1: this like on Memorial Day, you know, and so they
Speaker 1: they've got to handle on three hundred something guys, four
Speaker 1: hundred something guys, you know. And that's the thing I
Speaker 1: just my biggest fear was always doing this, the media stuff,
Speaker 1: is they draft somebody that I don't know. You know.
Speaker 1: That's when all of a sudden, like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyle announces, well they took so and so, so and
Speaker 1: so from Oregon State, and you go, I have no
Speaker 1: idea who they just took about Nishan, right well, not
Speaker 1: trying to do right now. Yeah, that's trying to avoid that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's no. That's the thing. You want to be able
Speaker 1: to have somewhat an opinion, Like people will send me
Speaker 1: these mock drafts. If you guys haven't muted me on
Speaker 1: Twitter by now I applaud you guys for you know,
Speaker 1: why have you Why have you not just unfollowed after
Speaker 1: the LA that's you know, I lost like I lost,
Speaker 1: like I lost like two hundred followers after that deal.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's fine, but anyway, the that's your
Speaker 1: that's your biggest fear that you get to a point where, man,
Speaker 1: you can look at one hundred ninety players, two hundred players,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, somebody comes off that
Speaker 1: board that they took that You're like, why did I
Speaker 1: not think about this? Now? Why did I look at
Speaker 1: this guy from sorry Coastal Carolina? But I didn't look
Speaker 1: at the guy that they brought in from Liberty? You know,
Speaker 1: why did it? What was my thought process along the
Speaker 1: way with that? But that's the advantage that the full
Speaker 1: time you know, scout guys and gals that cover the
Speaker 1: Scout cover the draft full time that they have they
Speaker 1: start and they can carry all those guys. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but man, it's it's getting to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 1: does this guy deserve to be on? Should I talk
Speaker 1: about you know, having notes? Should I have notes about
Speaker 1: this guy? And that's that's the tough. It's easy to
Speaker 1: watch be Jean Robertson and others, everybody that's on this
Speaker 1: draft magazine beautiful magazine by the way, Yeah, but everybody.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get you guys to sign this copy
Speaker 1: for me. But the but you know, it's easy to
Speaker 1: see those guys. But it's the guys, like I said,
Speaker 1: the guys from Liberty and Coastal Carolina and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: that you're this guy might be a sixth or seventh
Speaker 1: round guy, and you're kind of like, Okay, that's I
Speaker 1: think you're right about that. You know, That's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm kind of at. Also, too, are you
Speaker 1: ready for this thing to be going? Well, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: on the fifth I'm kind of like you, man, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to shore up loose ends. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people tag us on Twitter
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, look at this player, Hey this player.
Speaker 1: So what I do is screenshot that us rain shot it,
Speaker 1: and I'll go back at the end of the week
Speaker 1: and say, okay, because those are guys that probably a
Speaker 1: lot of time I've missed, Like one guy that's really
Speaker 1: really really circling right now, I'm saying what I'm to see.
Speaker 1: I looked at Tyree Stevenson because I've started hearing about him,
Speaker 1: but Corey Trice from Purdue back been hearing a lot
Speaker 1: about him and again, and he was one of the
Speaker 1: guys that I think that I just missed. And with
Speaker 1: his ball skills and some of the stuff he does,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's a guy that I feel like I
Speaker 1: missed week. And so that's you know, my followers helped
Speaker 1: me out as well. Well. I know I know this
Speaker 1: because John owning U and I know John listens to
Speaker 1: our program and John does a really nice job. And
Speaker 1: John's like, you've seen this Trice kid from Purdue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, should I? He goes, yeah, worth
Speaker 1: your time. And then he's like six three two h
Speaker 1: six and you watch him play and you're going, thanks, John,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that for me. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's like there there are some guys that I see.
Speaker 1: You just don't want to miss somebody that they said
Speaker 1: somebody drafts in the third round. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: thing if you miss a six or seventh round guy,
Speaker 1: you move on, But somebody drafts something in the third
Speaker 1: and you're like, I didn't see him. You know that
Speaker 1: that's the thing that scares you a little bit. He
Speaker 1: sent me that message too, He said, tell me more
Speaker 1: perdue corner, Corey Trice. This dude is press demon. I responded,
Speaker 1: it was the day I submitted my reports on the
Speaker 1: draft magazine. I said, I swear, John, I just submitted
Speaker 1: my Draft magazine rankings. If you make me go watch
Speaker 1: this guy and he's a stud, I'm gonna be upset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad. And he's good. He's real good.
Speaker 1: I put a fourth round grade on absolutely. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's a good player. Tell me more about about
Speaker 1: Corey Trice before we start getting into some of these
Speaker 1: thirty visit guys. I'll tell you what you know with Trice.
Speaker 1: I was surprised, man. I mean, this guy is a
Speaker 1: what we call a boundary corner. And when you say
Speaker 1: a boundary corner, he's a guy that plays to the
Speaker 1: side where the short side of the field, so you
Speaker 1: can watch him flip sides depending on what side the
Speaker 1: ball is on the hash he's to the short side
Speaker 1: of the field, so he's you can mention he's six
Speaker 1: three's two h six. This guy this is one of
Speaker 1: my lines, and it kind of I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: but it's one of those things when I was watching
Speaker 1: him play, and maybe you guys can help me on
Speaker 1: this one. I'm not sure if his anticipation is really
Speaker 1: good or he's just a great guesser. And I mean
Speaker 1: that in a way of like his anticipation it looks
Speaker 1: really good, or he's just really good at being right
Speaker 1: where he needs to be, you know, playing the ball
Speaker 1: and driving on the ball, you know, reading the quarterback,
Speaker 1: being right where he needs to be. But there's there's
Speaker 1: some snaps when you see him read and then drive
Speaker 1: and not I mean this guy knocks down passes the
Speaker 1: length the ball down the field. He plays, He's got
Speaker 1: a feel for how to play. John was talking about
Speaker 1: the press coverage stuff. He's a hard guy to get
Speaker 1: away with when he's in that mode because of that
Speaker 1: length and that ability to move, and I like the
Speaker 1: guy throws his body around and make plays. So again, John,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for talking about this guy. You know,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I think I put him in the
Speaker 1: third Yeah, okay, it's what I did, and do you Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially too because of the he's showing what he can
Speaker 1: do on special teams. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: league now, the league right now, one of the first
Speaker 1: things I'm looking at with corner is can they press?
Speaker 1: Can they press well with these any video receivers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that jam in them is going to be
Speaker 1: incredibly important moving forward, and this guy is not afraid
Speaker 1: to do that. Also to you brought up, just how
Speaker 1: he the anticipation. He flows well within the zone like
Speaker 1: it's very natural for him. And he's gonna make you pay.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I like about him, and that's how
Speaker 1: that's what I want from every corner. I feel like,
Speaker 1: is if you're gonna throw the ball my way, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make you pay. And when he comes up and tackles,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make you pay. I liked. I also like
Speaker 1: how willing he is in the run games to come up,
Speaker 1: like you said, throws his body around. That's something that
Speaker 1: you know we talk about with corner now. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a requirement, but if your corner can do it,
Speaker 1: it will definitely change our offenses try to attack you,
Speaker 1: especially with all the screen game and all that stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: So ye had that was what I was impressed with
Speaker 1: He understands his length to like his arm length, and
Speaker 1: how to keep guys like keep guys outside of their
Speaker 1: route or just at the top of the route to
Speaker 1: just change up things. I was impressed with him. He
Speaker 1: was he was a fun watch. He was one of
Speaker 1: my most fun watches. Actually, That's why I was so
Speaker 1: excited about him. And he's the type of corner. He's
Speaker 1: my type of corner. He really is my type of corner.
Speaker 1: Some ball skills, can play obviously, can play men, can
Speaker 1: play in the zone. And he ain't afraid to tackle.
Speaker 1: And he got a little chip on a show to Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, Thanks Sean. And there have
Speaker 1: been reports that one of your other corners, mister Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Forbes of Mississippi State, was in the building this week,
Speaker 1: so that's been reported out there. It is thirty visit time.
Speaker 1: We had Dallas Day on Friday. I usualy needed to
Speaker 1: have lunch with him and made sure he had some
Speaker 1: of that good pizza they have here in this cap
Speaker 1: Bobby case. Then, because he feels like he did big,
Speaker 1: I mean he is he is that big. That's that
Speaker 1: that that when you do that, that's yeah, he is
Speaker 1: Bobby's skinniest owner. I can remember seeing yep period, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know how well that
Speaker 1: protects when you're talking about extreme outliers that we don't
Speaker 1: even have. Like you can point to Richard Robinson, he's
Speaker 1: a similar one, but we talk about a real extreme
Speaker 1: outlier that it's like this resets what we've really ever
Speaker 1: seen at the position. That's really hard for me to
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Can see him though, Did you see him
Speaker 1: at the combine? Did you see like a frame and everything?
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't know that that's a
Speaker 1: frame that puts on weight. If it's that long, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough when you're because the muscles and stuff that
Speaker 1: it's like those offensive linemen that have real long arms
Speaker 1: and they can't bench press very well because the travel
Speaker 1: of the bar is so far. Can I ask a
Speaker 1: question real quick, Kyle, if you don't mind, Yeah, are
Speaker 1: we seeing something different in the philosophy of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys when it comes to evaluate players because of Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers on a visit Smaller Forbes. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: all we've ever heard of even high it's slightly built
Speaker 1: that and I think. I think, yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: thing with Will McClay is just like Will likes big players,
Speaker 1: He's gonna draft big guy. But the fact that they
Speaker 1: got to say Flowers in here on a visit and
Speaker 1: then you talk about Forbes with the you know, how
Speaker 1: linear built he is. There is there a change in
Speaker 1: philosophy with what they're doing or is it just trying
Speaker 1: to evaluate a particular draft class that's got slight shorter players.
Speaker 1: It feels the fact that they've you know, brought in Flowers,
Speaker 1: they've had highatty, they have shown interest in Marvin Mems,
Speaker 1: who I think a lot of teams would view as
Speaker 1: a slot specific guy. I don't know that they would,
Speaker 1: but I mean there are a lot of teams that would. Um,
Speaker 1: it feels like a shift of some sort or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just an investigation, like you say, of a
Speaker 1: smaller it's just who the draft is. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean it it breaks what feel felt like a
Speaker 1: really hard and fast rule for that exactly, and so
Speaker 1: traits that they look now now, look, they've they've brought
Speaker 1: in guys on visits before that they really had no
Speaker 1: intention of ever picking. They had no intention of picking
Speaker 1: Widermeyer last year from Texas A and M, and they
Speaker 1: probably they wanted to investigate some things, and so I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe there are certain answers they're looking
Speaker 1: for or certain things that they want to see, or
Speaker 1: maybe they're just trying to figure out maybe they want
Speaker 1: to get them in here for a visit and trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a little bit better if they feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're smaller, but do we think you can still take
Speaker 1: some reps outside. Maybe they're just trying to get, you know,
Speaker 1: finished their homework on that to see that. But it
Speaker 1: does feel like a little bit of a shift when
Speaker 1: you see some of the receivers that they've been connected
Speaker 1: to Lordie. I would hope that they just see who
Speaker 1: the playmakers are and they're trying to explore the playmakers.
Speaker 1: And it's that simple. That's all I have. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of playmakers in the building, but there's different size
Speaker 1: to playmakers. And that's the thing is is just because
Speaker 1: there are a thirty visit doesn't mean they're going to
Speaker 1: be picked. I mean, that's that's fact of the matter.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they are bringing in multiple guys
Speaker 1: like that, I agree with Bobby. I think it's a
Speaker 1: tip of the toe in the water, like you're dipping
Speaker 1: the toe on the water a little bit, just to
Speaker 1: kind of test. Didn't see. Okay, maybe maybe there's something
Speaker 1: in this Jalen Hyatt prospect. Maybe there's something to Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 1: By the way you piqued my interest, I looked up
Speaker 1: smallest and by by smallest, I mean thin corners in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL combine. He is in the
Speaker 1: zero percentile at one sixty six. He might be the
Speaker 1: thinnest corner that has ever made its way to the combat.
Speaker 1: Really tall thin corners. I think of Cordell Flott, I
Speaker 1: think Chard Robinson, I think of Drake Kirkpatrick years ago,
Speaker 1: and he's smaller than all of them. Yes, And so
Speaker 1: can we ask you a question? Do we make this
Speaker 1: scounting too hard? No? Nah? And what way? What do
Speaker 1: you mean? I'm asking you this question because you were
Speaker 1: talking about just go take the best player the way
Speaker 1: the way you just said it, it seemed like we
Speaker 1: as a group, we as in like a draft community,
Speaker 1: as a draft community. Nah. I mean this is your
Speaker 1: first rodeo going through this, and I and you know
Speaker 1: what the way you said that, I think you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: because we we we put so much valuation and traits
Speaker 1: and this, and you just said, go get the best player,
Speaker 1: go go, go go look at the who the best
Speaker 1: players are, Go evaluate who those guys are. And I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to that. I think we get away.
Speaker 1: I think we get away from that that we we
Speaker 1: look at the measurables and things like that, like the
Speaker 1: old krusty scouts like me, like we would have never
Speaker 1: we would have never taken a quarterback like Bryce Young,
Speaker 1: even though the tape with Bryce Young is beautiful to
Speaker 1: watch the way he plays, But we would have the
Speaker 1: measurables would have gotten our way, the measurables would have
Speaker 1: taken us. Well, he's not really this this is what
Speaker 1: he is. No, he's he's the guy that's playing. It
Speaker 1: just made me think about the way you said it,
Speaker 1: like don't don't make this hard. Yeah, Save Flowers to
Speaker 1: me is a guy that if you if you're not
Speaker 1: using a thirty visit for him like you're tripping, Like
Speaker 1: he's that dynamic. And also to just get in to
Speaker 1: meet him and just kind of understand him a little bit.
Speaker 1: At the combine, just dude is playing and for a lot,
Speaker 1: and he cares. His character is there, but you can
Speaker 1: see that in his play he cares about every ball
Speaker 1: that's not on his way, and I just, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can see that in his workouts. Every one of
Speaker 1: them has been good, a good workout, and we don't
Speaker 1: see that. I feel I just feel, like like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm just not overthinking it with a guy like him.
Speaker 1: Yet he's undeniable, like what you see on tape. So
Speaker 1: the size thing matters. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like what I see is what I know what I see,
Speaker 1: and I see a playmaker. I see a guy that
Speaker 1: can separate almost every time he gets the ball, and
Speaker 1: that's different, right, Yes, that's what you're looking for, right,
Speaker 1: So why why make it hard? Exactly? So that's just
Speaker 1: kind of why I'm man. No, I just the way
Speaker 1: you said it made me think, like she's right, no doubt,
Speaker 1: don't make it. Don't make this too hard. Now you're
Speaker 1: gonna there's certain measurables and certain traits and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: the outliers zero percentile things you're talking about it. It's
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a slot specific player, but I mean,
Speaker 1: just like it's nice to have a two down defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't like fill my team out enough. Well,
Speaker 1: so I do understand thement of like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you should write off everybody or whatever, but I do
Speaker 1: understand when people go, if you can only play in
Speaker 1: the slot, that limits what this value is supposed to
Speaker 1: mean in the first round. See, that's the same thing
Speaker 1: to that you get an argument with the people about
Speaker 1: the running back stuff. Taking a running back in the
Speaker 1: first round. Sure, you know, like we had on one
Speaker 1: oh five three, the fan we had we had a
Speaker 1: discussion about Bijean Robinson, you know, and there's there there's
Speaker 1: a side of me of the Dallas Cowboy fan base
Speaker 1: that absolutely is against a draft in Bijen Robinson at
Speaker 1: twenty six. And there's another side of the fan base
Speaker 1: it's like, why would you pass on this type of
Speaker 1: a player? And so you know, then you get into that,
Speaker 1: you get into that argument where I think there's people
Speaker 1: the guys that and galas that don't want Bijan Robinson
Speaker 1: are hoping, like hell he gets taken by Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: or Baltimore ahead. So you don't have to make these
Speaker 1: guys have to have a decision on it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the other side of the world
Speaker 1: that's going. Please let him get to us. Please let
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones have to stand in there and make that pick. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know I've never I mean, it's so strange how
Speaker 1: traits and running back to me, bij I saw Bijean
Speaker 1: Robinson the first of December. He hasn't changed for me.
Speaker 1: I've seen one hundred and ninety something players. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: it hasn't changed for me. But that's what I'm to
Speaker 1: your point, though, it's one of those things, it's like this,
Speaker 1: just take the best players, Just take that. Don't let
Speaker 1: things cloud your judgment about these players. And that's a
Speaker 1: different question though, Beijean. I think versus us, well, people
Speaker 1: will argue. People will argue about the running back that
Speaker 1: value now and maybe in this drap, maybe this drap
Speaker 1: because this thing. I don't know about your board, but
Speaker 1: my board I could take this thing like into the
Speaker 1: fifth round and feel good about running backs. I can't too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them, I think specifically to
Speaker 1: that course, that's a different discussion. That's a discussion about
Speaker 1: positional value things that because there's not weaknesses to be
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson, Like, what you're talking about with the slot
Speaker 1: specific players is not even positional value. It's a position
Speaker 1: people value a lot, and they're saying that you don't
Speaker 1: match up the way other people at this position do.
Speaker 1: There's no question Bjean Robinson's like can do everything right,
Speaker 1: and it's a question more about how much do you
Speaker 1: value the position of running back as a whole or
Speaker 1: whenever people talk about how much do you value strong
Speaker 1: side linebacker? Is that something that's worth enough to do
Speaker 1: that anymore? With the receiver angle, it's no. We all have,
Speaker 1: i think established the value of the position itself. That's
Speaker 1: probably why it's such an issue for people when you
Speaker 1: have a slot specific players. This is such a valuable
Speaker 1: position and we need you to do so many different
Speaker 1: things that if you only do one, it's it's like
Speaker 1: what if what if you're what if you're a great
Speaker 1: player as a slot player, what if you're a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl All Pro player as just a slot receiver? When
Speaker 1: there have been those yeah, I'm asking you're going to
Speaker 1: hit and miss on some of those guys because you can.
Speaker 1: For every guy that you can talk about that is
Speaker 1: Julio Jones and these big receivers that are on the outside.
Speaker 1: And I've been wrong about that Treadwall kid, but that's
Speaker 1: the churn. Yeah, you could turn, you turn things around.
Speaker 1: You can say okay, but there's also a Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: There's also of who can play. Jalen Waddle. There's also
Speaker 1: he could play. But he was still taken, but it
Speaker 1: was he was he's character issues. He would have gone
Speaker 1: higher for every one of those guys that have those matchups.
Speaker 1: There are guys that overcome their limitations and that they
Speaker 1: are going to be there. You could say the same
Speaker 1: thing about a quarterback too. I mean taking the best
Speaker 1: player quarterback. Let's use two guys that went to the
Speaker 1: same school and almost had the same results in college.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts he was an underrated prospect, but he's turned
Speaker 1: into a hell of an NFL quarterback. A couple of
Speaker 1: years prior, Baker Mayfield was an overrated prospect, and of
Speaker 1: course he had the Heisman trades. He was the first
Speaker 1: overall pick, but you'd look at maybe just taking the
Speaker 1: best player there. He didn't work out the same way either.
Speaker 1: So there's there's ways that it goes both directions. That's
Speaker 1: why you have such a split on this. It's no
Speaker 1: perfect answer from a draft community as a whole. I
Speaker 1: think you can and should look for exceptions to your rules.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should revise your rules based off exceptions.
Speaker 1: It's a great way to play, like I don't think
Speaker 1: that because exception you completely change your rules in the
Speaker 1: face of all the other day you can keep an
Speaker 1: eye out for those outliers and those sorts of people.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to then just throw
Speaker 1: my rules like, oh okay, I gotta trash these rules
Speaker 1: because this one guy breaks them. That's what Parcels used
Speaker 1: to say to us. He would say, you draft an exception,
Speaker 1: then you have a team full of exceptions that was
Speaker 1: then with an exception. But I wouldn't want to like
Speaker 1: restructure my rules because I had one. Yeah, yeah, now,
Speaker 1: that's a great way to put it in and teams,
Speaker 1: I think battle that every year because of what they
Speaker 1: did in the draft last year. Same thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could take a wide receiver in the third round
Speaker 1: right now, the first thought that's going to come in
Speaker 1: your head is Jalen Tolbert first round or a third
Speaker 1: round first year not working out the same way that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you shouldn't take one in the first round
Speaker 1: or in the third round as well. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go to the second or let's go to our first break.
Speaker 1: Second segment. We've got Twitter on the twenty coming up.
Speaker 1: In just a couple of moments. We're going to answer
Speaker 1: your questions. Then we're gonna do some tell me more
Speaker 1: about some of these guys that are in the building
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Speaker 1: laughing at? Just that that I threw out a grenade,
Speaker 1: a player grenade right when we're coming back on I'm
Speaker 1: laughing at you and your comment about flowers. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at you, and then I looked
Speaker 1: across the table and I used to if she had
Speaker 1: the middle of an adverage, she couldn't talk if she
Speaker 1: if she had if she had the length of that
Speaker 1: corner we talked about from Purdue. She'd have grabbed your
Speaker 1: I gotta watch maybe I gotta watch Clinton, Johnson and you.
Speaker 1: So let's let's no I into it really quickly. What
Speaker 1: what was? What was it? I just said, I just
Speaker 1: like I thought you were talking about Flowers. I was.
Speaker 1: I said, Quintin Johnston is better than Zay Flowers. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Zay Flowers is going to be able
Speaker 1: to win the same way at the NFL the way
Speaker 1: he wins at college. You agree, I agree with the Johns,
Speaker 1: the Johnson Flowers. Yeah. I have Johnston is my number
Speaker 1: three wide receiver and have Flowers is number four. I'm
Speaker 1: watching McCain. I like Quinton Johnston a watch, which I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a bad I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: bad play And we're talking about because he's on the
Speaker 1: cover of this the Star magazine right here. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's good looking purple up on the front of the Star.
Speaker 1: I signed, I signed my name. Have you heard this?
Speaker 1: Have you have you heard this man talk? John? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on the radio with you. That's the voice
Speaker 1: of God. He's got great It is it is, it
Speaker 1: is wild how deep his voice is. Sean over at
Speaker 1: the station had him when we got him on the air,
Speaker 1: he had him say in a world because it's voice
Speaker 1: was so deep, and so it was great. He was good.
Speaker 1: So one of the guys he reminds me of when
Speaker 1: he talks is uh, Danny McCrae who works up stairs
Speaker 1: lu of course he Danny's got that real deep, raspy
Speaker 1: voice and he kind of talks like this. And then
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnston when he was on on with you guys,
Speaker 1: I was listening in and he had that deep yeah,
Speaker 1: go tigers. He had that deep voice in it as well.
Speaker 1: So I think he's got a future in broadcasting, hopefully
Speaker 1: twenty five years down the line when he's done with
Speaker 1: a great height. Felt people couldn't tell the difference. We
Speaker 1: had him and Kendra Miller on at the same time.
Speaker 1: People are like, I can't tell whose voices who? They're
Speaker 1: both just like these deep, bassy like voices, and it's
Speaker 1: like somebody would suggest there, like I think Quinton Johnson
Speaker 1: just did the interview for both of them and said
Speaker 1: he was Kendred. That's awesome. All right, Let's let's get
Speaker 1: into some twitter on the twenty Twitter on all right,
Speaker 1: this one starts with let's go with Chase Aglar. He says,
Speaker 1: right now, shout out Chase if the draft is to dinner,
Speaker 1: Oh did you really? Very nice? Shout out to Chase.
Speaker 1: What is my favorite pick for you right now at
Speaker 1: twenty six? What do you feel like is the pick
Speaker 1: if the draft were tonight? What would you go with?
Speaker 1: Brian the favorite? As who I would want or who
Speaker 1: the team is going to want to say, I think
Speaker 1: as the team is going to take Tea, I think
Speaker 1: they're leaning for offensive linemen here. Okay, I think that's
Speaker 1: I know it's a wide open situation, and you know,
Speaker 1: the if we're starting to kind of hear some of
Speaker 1: the things for the thirty visit guys. I know they're
Speaker 1: bringing in wide receivers and trying to kind of figure
Speaker 1: that out. But to me, this team is really good
Speaker 1: at drafting these offensive linemen late in a draft in
Speaker 1: the first round, and I kind of feel like they
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a hole there at left guard.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think they were looking at a
Speaker 1: one of those guards, Torrents Orla. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think you're kind of looking at that direction. If it
Speaker 1: was me or I would like to ruin Right from
Speaker 1: Tennessee by the way, Yeah, you're trying. You're trying to
Speaker 1: will that one. I'm trying to I think I like
Speaker 1: him a lot. I think right at Tennessee the offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: You could play him at guard, and I think he's
Speaker 1: a better prospect than the other two that are straight
Speaker 1: guards that I was going to ask you if you
Speaker 1: had a tackle. You guys had a tackle on the
Speaker 1: board in comparison to the guards that you have first
Speaker 1: round grounds for. Are you picking the tackle because he
Speaker 1: already said it, but I think I think Right does
Speaker 1: translate better to guard. I think he does too, and
Speaker 1: I think he has the flex So if you wanted
Speaker 1: to maybe put him out a tackle, you could, But
Speaker 1: you've done it already. You made the switch last year.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to do it again? That's my biggest pause.
Speaker 1: And it goes back to what Brian's talked about. And
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from you across the table through
Speaker 1: these last couple of years. But you always say, if
Speaker 1: you have an abundance at one position another one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is another guy that could do both things guard
Speaker 1: and tackle. Talking about Darnell Right, from Tennessee. If if
Speaker 1: he is the pick of twenty six, it's because he
Speaker 1: can start right now. It's because he can come in
Speaker 1: and play and make that sweat. My question is are
Speaker 1: they gonna they're tight ends going to be higher on
Speaker 1: their board than those guards When when you start to
Speaker 1: talk about the stack, when you look at like they go,
Speaker 1: if they have one hundred and fifty names and they
Speaker 1: stack them from one to one fifty, I wonder, is
Speaker 1: like Mayor going to be at twenty three, Kincaid at
Speaker 1: twenty five, Musgrave at thirty, and then say, for example,
Speaker 1: towards it thirty six, a v at forty. You know,
Speaker 1: how where's that going to be? Yeah? I wonder if
Speaker 1: they if they go, if they go with that they
Speaker 1: I mean they if they go with their stack that way.
Speaker 1: They had a higher graded player on the board last
Speaker 1: year when they took Tyler Smith, I mean the safety
Speaker 1: from Georgia, which they had him higher, and they ended
Speaker 1: up going Tyler Smith. So I mean, so you're saying
Speaker 1: the stack doesn't matter to them. Oh, No, I think
Speaker 1: it does. I just think it's a blend of you know,
Speaker 1: it is a blend of need and talent. Like I
Speaker 1: mean I think that when seeing I believe based off
Speaker 1: of the board that was put together by John Mashouda
Speaker 1: over the at the Athletic when when Jerry showed to everybody,
Speaker 1: Scene was fourteen I think, and Tyler Smith was sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they felt pretty good about Donovan Wilson and
Speaker 1: Jay Ronkers, so that it's like, these guys are close
Speaker 1: enough that will take the guy that we could really use,
Speaker 1: which is the offensive line. And so I mean similarly,
Speaker 1: I think if they were looking at it and they
Speaker 1: had maybe a tight end graded a little higher than
Speaker 1: one of the offensive lineman left, they would look at
Speaker 1: it and say, the offensive line might be more valuable
Speaker 1: to us. So they're close enough that we can justify this.
Speaker 1: I just think that tight end groups stretches a little
Speaker 1: better than the guards early, if that's the route they're
Speaker 1: gonna go. I agree with that because there's more there's
Speaker 1: more starting caliber tight ends in the second, third, fourth
Speaker 1: rounds than you probably would get at guard or even tackle. Right,
Speaker 1: do you guys have the first round grade for Skronsky? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he's way gone. I'd be thrilled. I Skronsky somehow ended
Speaker 1: to you myself to Kansas City, Kronsky got to seventeen,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, pick up the phone and trade up.
Speaker 1: I love Scornsky. We were talking about that, like if
Speaker 1: there were some guys I think we did on the
Speaker 1: show last week. We were talking about if one of
Speaker 1: those guys got to Detroit at eighteen, were willing to
Speaker 1: flip a two to go that direction Scnsky, I would.
Speaker 1: I would to go get him that. Say, your board
Speaker 1: is wiped out, like your top guards, and Cody Malk
Speaker 1: is there. Do you think he's going to be there
Speaker 1: in a second at twenty six second? Yeah, she's not
Speaker 1: wrong about this. By the way, this is a really
Speaker 1: good thought asking just because of the wiped out like
Speaker 1: who like Torrance and a Vel aren't there at twenty
Speaker 1: six exactly? But but I don't think Cody. I don't
Speaker 1: know how far Cody malk is gonna go into the
Speaker 1: second just because of how the flex. I know, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at him at a left deck, well you
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, he can wait. But if you
Speaker 1: like I can push him in that guard right now,
Speaker 1: then maybe he is somebody I'm asking No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know I'm saying anything. I think. I think if
Speaker 1: Torrance and a Vila go in the first twenty five.
Speaker 1: Some really good players have been pushed down the board
Speaker 1: to you that you wouldn't have thought would have been
Speaker 1: there at twenty six. And so at that point I
Speaker 1: would not No, I would. I wouldn't take milk in
Speaker 1: the first And if you if you're talking about Avila,
Speaker 1: who Avila and Torrens who? I think are you talking
Speaker 1: about Dallas's ranges when people are going to start looking
Speaker 1: at them, if they were to go earlier, that means
Speaker 1: other players have not gone ahead of you that you
Speaker 1: were probably expecting. So maybe maybe be Jean does get
Speaker 1: pushed down the board further, Maybe all the receivers make
Speaker 1: it to you, maybe Jackson Smith and Jigba is there
Speaker 1: and Quinton Johnson. So I feel like you'd have a
Speaker 1: really strong value play if those guards went earlier than
Speaker 1: you're I don't think they're gonna get wiped out. I
Speaker 1: don't either, it would it would. It's a good question too,
Speaker 1: because you got to talk about that, because you know
Speaker 1: there was I remember I remember in the in the draft,
Speaker 1: the CD LAMB Draft, Diggs was a Diggs was being
Speaker 1: talked about at seventeen and they got him in the
Speaker 1: second round. You know, I mean the football gods that
Speaker 1: night were with you, but that that was something that
Speaker 1: we said, what, you're wiped out? You know, I think
Speaker 1: Chason was. We were talking about Chasons Melo Shoe and
Speaker 1: Jacksonville took him in. You know, like you're thinking, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's gone, well who then they pick
Speaker 1: Lamb and then all of a sudden, well, hey that
Speaker 1: was nice to had Digs in that holding area and
Speaker 1: then he turned around and get him in the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You don't know. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get wiped out. But I think you
Speaker 1: got to kind of talk about Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: they'll have somebody there um that not only is a
Speaker 1: fit value wise, but a fit forward something they could use.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they're going to have just
Speaker 1: a straight wipe out there. Doesn't make you uncomfortable now
Speaker 1: that now it feels like universally everyone feels like he's
Speaker 1: going to be guard doesn't make you feel weird. We
Speaker 1: knew that about Quit, we knew that about Layton Vanderish sure,
Speaker 1: but the first of April you started kind of getting
Speaker 1: a vibe you got Triston Hill. That was all the
Speaker 1: way in the second round. Yeah, you had, you had
Speaker 1: this feeling that they were going to do. I don't
Speaker 1: know today you can identify who the player is. I
Speaker 1: think you can identify the positions. I think it's that
Speaker 1: that heavy. I don't think it's it's that cut and dry,
Speaker 1: because I think, oh, no, depends on how the board's
Speaker 1: gonna fall in front. Yeah, but I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to answer my dinner partner's questions. Sure, you know,
Speaker 1: and I and you say, you say, okay, what what
Speaker 1: what player do you think or what position? You know?
Speaker 1: The one thing that we know is this team and
Speaker 1: they draft at the end of the first round, and
Speaker 1: it's an offensive lineman. It's generally a hit for them.
Speaker 1: They have a history of this, and I feel like
Speaker 1: they have a they have a need at left guard.
Speaker 1: I understand whatever he's talking about with Tyrn Smith. Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith to me is your left tackle. That's that's me.
Speaker 1: That's just how they might tell they You know, they
Speaker 1: stopped listening to me in two thousand and five. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the last time I got to say anything in
Speaker 1: a room, you know. So we actually based off of
Speaker 1: these questions. We actually knocked out four of the questions
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, by by hitting this conversation, so a bunch
Speaker 1: of people got their their questions. I do not think
Speaker 1: it is like slam dunk guard. I would agree that's
Speaker 1: the likeliest spot, but I don't think it's slammed up,
Speaker 1: like if you were to ask me to name players,
Speaker 1: like if you asked me to name players right now,
Speaker 1: like if I were to handicap it and try and
Speaker 1: put odds on it, just position versus player versus how
Speaker 1: I think they probably like some guys. The two names
Speaker 1: that I keep coming back to right now are probably
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid, the tight end from Utah, and Steve A. Villa,
Speaker 1: the guard from TC. Brian brought us on Twitter fires
Speaker 1: into question fight ta Morrison, who would you like to
Speaker 1: draft at twenty six? First of all, I would like
Speaker 1: to go on and say that a month ago on
Speaker 1: this show, I said that if you got a guard,
Speaker 1: you'd be cooking with gas. So I'm not opposed. Are
Speaker 1: you crawfishing element? That might be? It might be, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that's I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with guard. Don't do don't do me like that? Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you want? Who do you want? No? No? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no no. At twenty six, Ward is available. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're outside of the likely top ten. Somebody falls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're taking Forbes. Hi, you're taking Forbes at twenty six.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm conflicted because I really like DJ
Speaker 1: Turner that I've been looking at as a late Okay,
Speaker 1: DJ Turner's a damn good player at Michigan. How of
Speaker 1: an athlete. I think he might be one of the best,
Speaker 1: the better man corners of this this draft. Um, I
Speaker 1: thought he was really I said, really sticky. He's not
Speaker 1: afraid to tackle the ball. Skills are present and he has.
Speaker 1: They even brought him on some corner blitzes because he's
Speaker 1: so fast. They know he's going to get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's funny because he played for Michigan and he reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of how Jordan Lewis played, just that
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. I'm kind of I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge guy, but I throw my body around like I
Speaker 1: am like And he also has the special team's ability
Speaker 1: he can come in because that's something that's really important.
Speaker 1: I think for whatever corner they bring in is that
Speaker 1: you need special teams help right now, you honestly may
Speaker 1: be looking for whoever is there going to be the
Speaker 1: replacement for CJ. Good with moving forward, like you need
Speaker 1: to establish a new ace like or like another guy there.
Speaker 1: So I like what you're saying because I think that that,
Speaker 1: to me, Turner would be an option if you trade
Speaker 1: it out of the first round. Sure, early second, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: very early second, like forty. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: see this guy at the fortieth spot. That's kind of
Speaker 1: I would look at it. Yeah, he put on a
Speaker 1: little bit more way too, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds
Speaker 1: like he put on ten more pounds and then in
Speaker 1: this offseason after Combine he was won seventy eight, So
Speaker 1: do you put on some more from there? It's good player, man,
Speaker 1: I think that's when he put on the extra ten pounds.
Speaker 1: But you know, people are spoken well about him and
Speaker 1: what he's capable of, and I mean, I like Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna beat her though. Personally you
Speaker 1: think he's gone before twenty six, I think he's gone.
Speaker 1: Do you know what DJ Turner's birth name is? Say
Speaker 1: it this is the first time I've read it. Oh,
Speaker 1: wand Drago that's okay, that's Wan Drago Turner. Let's make
Speaker 1: the pick turn in the car. I see it was
Speaker 1: DJ and I like open it up and it's like
Speaker 1: one Drago DJ Turner. Geez, that's sick. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's an alpha name if I've ever heard name.
Speaker 1: All right, Paul says, have you guys studied any traitsy
Speaker 1: late round corners that we could luck into, like a
Speaker 1: Duran Bland or of course a brown back in the day.
Speaker 1: Do you have any of those guys that are on
Speaker 1: your board that you've looked at you like later I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say day three, that's where we'll cut it off.
Speaker 1: Maybe like a fourth, fourth round or later guy that
Speaker 1: you liked the traits on him? How about okay, let
Speaker 1: me let me pull up my corners here too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and go real quick here. This is terrible radio. When
Speaker 1: you don't have it, you're not prepared for this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tee what it is. It's live radio. It's live radio.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you. As I'm scrolling through my
Speaker 1: list here, I know that I don't know what people
Speaker 1: really really think about about Eli Ricks. Okay, okay, now
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about Ricks before. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you another guy here. Maybe he looked at Cameron
Speaker 1: Mitchell from Northwestern. I've not seen him, but he's on
Speaker 1: my list. Five eleven one ninety one another boundary corner.
Speaker 1: The reactions, the the defense world of the inside routes.
Speaker 1: He attacks him. I see him getting you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he gets himself in position to make a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of those guys that's
Speaker 1: really smart because he has a good feel for what
Speaker 1: the receivers trying to do to him. You know, He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that can run the route with
Speaker 1: the receiver. And there was only a couple of times
Speaker 1: where like I saw separation, but man, he rallied back
Speaker 1: to coverage and he didn't give up any really big plays.
Speaker 1: Asia doesn't like him because he's a fifty fifty tackler,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame her for that. But he's not
Speaker 1: afraid the contact. He just doesn't do a very good
Speaker 1: job of that. So smart awareness or his best traits.
Speaker 1: Cameron Mitchell five eleven one cornerback at a Northwestern's kind
Speaker 1: of that fourth round guy. To me, he was All
Speaker 1: Big Ten in twenty twenty one. He did not have
Speaker 1: an All Big Ten honoree in twenty twenty two, so
Speaker 1: he's better. It looks like he had a bad team
Speaker 1: at Northwestern. That's fair, that's but they had a really
Speaker 1: good tackle guard on their Yeah, we really like Scronsky
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's about it. Uh finished second on
Speaker 1: the team in twenty twenty one, five PBUs. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean started all twelve games, and he came back and
Speaker 1: he started another twelve games as well, So I mean, overall,
Speaker 1: you really like what he's brought to the table. Actually,
Speaker 1: he was Honorable Mentioned in twenty two as well, so
Speaker 1: he actually he did get some Big ten honorees there,
Speaker 1: didn't Ebody watch the kid Bennett from Maryland, Jacorean Jakorean Bennett.
Speaker 1: He's down for me to watch. He's down. I saw
Speaker 1: him opposite, but it wasn't like I was studying him. Okay, see,
Speaker 1: and I saw him on the Senior Bowl tape a
Speaker 1: little bit. I've heard some good things about him, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta take a look myself. Well, okay, here's your
Speaker 1: trades guy. He's one of the fastest testers at the combine,
Speaker 1: and when you study his film, you could see the
Speaker 1: athletic ability. It kind of translates into his game. He
Speaker 1: is uh one of the leaders of the Big ten
Speaker 1: when it came to defending passes. So you see him
Speaker 1: cutting off routes. He's not gonna let receivers go inside.
Speaker 1: He tries to make every single ball a contested ball.
Speaker 1: Good body control, He'll stay you know, he'll stay in
Speaker 1: phase with the double move stuff. He's a loose hip guy,
Speaker 1: you know, flip go. That's when it's so. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though, you know, he had twenty seven
Speaker 1: passes defensed over the last two seasons. Wow, So you
Speaker 1: watch him. He's a downhill player. If he has a downsides,
Speaker 1: he gets penalized a lot four three even forty, a
Speaker 1: one four eight split. He had a forty and a
Speaker 1: half vertical and an eleven inch broad jump. That Trady,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in on the traits. Yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a good answer for our friend Paul. What is so?
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever you say traits, especially at corner,
Speaker 1: people are gonna wonder about Like it's hard for somebody
Speaker 1: to feel like somebody's a traitsy prospect without long speed,
Speaker 1: but like I really like Jaalen Jones from Texas say yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: And Jalen Jones is a guy who, like, if you
Speaker 1: look at the forty yard dash, you're in four to
Speaker 1: five to seven, which is not great. It's not great
Speaker 1: long speed, but the ten yards split on him is
Speaker 1: one four eight, which is elite. One four eight is
Speaker 1: an elite ten yards split. So he's got the short
Speaker 1: area quickness. It's the same one been at head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've you've got the in terms of I think you've
Speaker 1: got the physicality. The size is obviously great with him,
Speaker 1: he's six two. I kind of thought he might be
Speaker 1: a safety. I thought he might be a safe. I
Speaker 1: know you've you've thought about that because I remember we
Speaker 1: brought him up earlier. But I think that Jaalen Jones
Speaker 1: is one that stands out to me as a really
Speaker 1: tracy guy. And then somebody else that I know we've
Speaker 1: mentioned the best athlete I think when you look at
Speaker 1: at corner and he's not a guy that I think
Speaker 1: I would take in the first three rounds, maybe like
Speaker 1: the fourth, and it's somebody I know Wolchuck loves is
Speaker 1: Darius Rush. I haven't I have a lay third on him.
Speaker 1: Rush was about to talk talk about him as a
Speaker 1: former receiver, Yeah, former receiver has been playing or that long,
Speaker 1: really extinctive guy. I like the ball skills. I like
Speaker 1: how he's able to do there because in this class,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of guys can play, but
Speaker 1: but some of them don't have like go after the
Speaker 1: ball skills they have. They can play the position and
Speaker 1: they're where they're supposed to be, but they don't go
Speaker 1: after the ball. Um I think also too in man coverage,
Speaker 1: I thought he was impressive. He has the special team's ability,
Speaker 1: which again to me, is important for a lot of
Speaker 1: teams moving forward, specifically this team moving forward. This guy's
Speaker 1: a really good blitzer too. I think you got him
Speaker 1: dead on. This guy's are really good. He's got to
Speaker 1: feel for how to how to get in the backfield
Speaker 1: and be disruptive. So for six two we always talking
Speaker 1: about leggy guys, long guys. It doesn't take him much
Speaker 1: to turn. I mean he is not like you know,
Speaker 1: you see him, it's like he's laboring the turn. Nah,
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, he could do it. I liked.
Speaker 1: I like the player, I really do. And for somebody
Speaker 1: who just started playing defense just a couple of seasons ago,
Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty darned and tackler too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like his foundation that he's said as a tacklers is solid.
Speaker 1: The willingness is there. Oh yeah, Well, I issue was
Speaker 1: right about the special team stuff because I wrote down
Speaker 1: here specially played well special teams as a gunner. So
Speaker 1: that's at outside the flyer guy and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's not an easy position to play either. Especial gunners
Speaker 1: are now I do. I do like Riley Moss as
Speaker 1: well from Mayowa. Oh okay, that's a good one too,
Speaker 1: less corner at Iowa. That's a guy that I think,
Speaker 1: like when you talk about the one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think you see with Moss is where he'd
Speaker 1: be a really good fit is like that Fangio like
Speaker 1: man match scheme, because I think he's really really smart.
Speaker 1: Like in terms of I think he's got a high IQ's,
Speaker 1: he's big, he's physical. Obviously some of the long speed
Speaker 1: I think is a question there, but I think he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a really good player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I first watched him, the first time I watched him,
Speaker 1: I thought about when the Cowboys used Jordan Lewis that
Speaker 1: one time against the Saints. Yeah, how they kind of
Speaker 1: were like al Kamara or yea, yeah there, like he
Speaker 1: gets nothing. It kind of felt like he could do
Speaker 1: something like that. In my opinion, That's what I first
Speaker 1: thought about him when I watched him. Very nice. All right,
Speaker 1: final question before we take our second break, Douglas ask.
Speaker 1: In your mock Draft show last week, Brian said that
Speaker 1: he has a first round grade on Jamir Gibbs. I
Speaker 1: also have a first round grade Jamir Gibbs. Would you
Speaker 1: take Gibbs at twenty six if there were no other
Speaker 1: first round grades left on your board, if you were
Speaker 1: in the draft room, you were in the war room,
Speaker 1: and you were able to put that, he would be
Speaker 1: the best player. He would be the best player on
Speaker 1: my board then, because I like, he's like if when
Speaker 1: you're going to put him in the stock, he's going
Speaker 1: to be He's going to be if if you have
Speaker 1: twenty first round grades, he's likely to be the twentieth player.
Speaker 1: So to me, I would that would be if if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not gonna window dress my board. If
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a first round talent and he's
Speaker 1: there at twenty six. I'll handle I'll hand that card in.
Speaker 1: I think I would too, I would hand that card
Speaker 1: in that This guy there is not a huge difference
Speaker 1: between him and Bijean Robinson. I mean, this guy is ald,
Speaker 1: this guy is a runner. This guy catches the ball well,
Speaker 1: and he blocks. I've seen him do some blitz pickup
Speaker 1: stuff that saved Bryce Young and allowed them to make
Speaker 1: big plays down the field because of awareness in the
Speaker 1: pocket of him crossing and picking up guys flying off
Speaker 1: the edge. That's a that's a skill that you have
Speaker 1: to have, I think to play in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: those three down players. That ability to be that type
Speaker 1: of guy, I think is big. I think he's a
Speaker 1: phenomenal player. I originally, I think I was with you
Speaker 1: up until about a month ago, where I didn't think
Speaker 1: there was a big gap between games and Bijon. Then
Speaker 1: I went back and watched Bijean again and just some
Speaker 1: of the things that he did kind of distance themselves
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think gives is a first
Speaker 1: round talent of a player because, like you said, pass
Speaker 1: protection at the NFL level is crucial it's not just
Speaker 1: a recommendation like it is in college. You can get
Speaker 1: away with being a good running back and not pass
Speaker 1: protecting with the best of them. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a starting running backstarting caliber running back, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do some sort of pass protection at a certain level.
Speaker 1: Gibbs can do that, and he's just a weapon. And
Speaker 1: the receivers games a weapon all the way through. And
Speaker 1: I mean the vision and the patience behind the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage is just phenomenal. So all right, that does
Speaker 1: it for Twitter. On the twenty. When we come back,
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Speaker 1: We got Bobby Belt, Brian brought us Aisha Boris and
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's time now to do some tell me more.
Speaker 1: How about mister Jacqueline Roy from LSU. I want to
Speaker 1: know more about this? Goat higus, Bryan. I guess you
Speaker 1: want to start with me. We'll start with you. He's
Speaker 1: one of the players that gives you everything he has.
Speaker 1: He's six three, he's three oh five. He was a
Speaker 1: highly recruited player at a high school in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1: There he's projected to be the next big thing. On
Speaker 1: the LSU defense, and he was kind of just an
Speaker 1: okay player. But the more you watch him, the more
Speaker 1: you like the way he plays. He's a little tight
Speaker 1: in that lower body, which prevents him from kind of
Speaker 1: like really you know, controlling the gap like he needs to.
Speaker 1: But he's got upper body power and energy. He's a
Speaker 1: I mean that if you play him on one gap
Speaker 1: where he just attacks that quickness, he could get up
Speaker 1: the field. He's got that two gap potential. When to
Speaker 1: talk about two gap, it's you control the blocker, you
Speaker 1: look inside, you look outside, and then you get rid
Speaker 1: of the guy and you go. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a reading type of a thing. He's capable
Speaker 1: of doing that. But you know, the thing I like
Speaker 1: about him the best is that he he plays a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps. You see defensive lineman that will play
Speaker 1: four or five plays and then they go out and
Speaker 1: they're tired and they don't see him for a while.
Speaker 1: This guy keeps playing and you never see him really
Speaker 1: come off the field. And LU likes to rotate their guys,
Speaker 1: but he plays a lot, a large number of snaps
Speaker 1: for a bigger guy. But I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: he's a better run player than he is a pass
Speaker 1: guy because they use him on twists and things and
Speaker 1: you don't see the success all the time there. Yeah
Speaker 1: you've seen him. Yeah, I watched him last night. Uh.
Speaker 1: The first thing I rolled down is said, I said,
Speaker 1: this is a thick human or his ankles even look thick.
Speaker 1: Man Like that's a big dude, Like I was just
Speaker 1: watching him. Uh, like you were talking about he is.
Speaker 1: I would I would. I would say that he's a
Speaker 1: true nose and that's where you should probably line him
Speaker 1: up at felt like, Um, he had a nice he
Speaker 1: had a nice explosion off the line of scrimmage at
Speaker 1: the ball. But he uh, there was some inconsistency in
Speaker 1: his in his rep winds. I feel like he can
Speaker 1: get pushed off the ball sometimes, like you were talking about.
Speaker 1: So having him just do one thing to start, or
Speaker 1: having him master doing that one thing to start would
Speaker 1: be good. So when you talk about we talk about
Speaker 1: what do you need? What do you want? Right? Do
Speaker 1: you want a guy to just come in and stop
Speaker 1: the run or just call oug up some space? This
Speaker 1: is to do right here. He's not a super He's
Speaker 1: not going to me. It doesn't look like he's going
Speaker 1: to give you a lot of like pass rush and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Nah, probably not Like I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he has the athleticism to do it. It's not
Speaker 1: anything that's been developed yet. He moves really well for
Speaker 1: how big he is. Um. But I think he's got
Speaker 1: the chance to be like a really really good run defender.
Speaker 1: In general, it's really difficult to like, he wins with
Speaker 1: leverage pretty consistently. I think it's difficult to get him
Speaker 1: on reach blocks. I think that his best chance to
Speaker 1: be a pass rusher is going to be on some
Speaker 1: of the twists and stunts that they like running here too. Um.
Speaker 1: And So I think he's a really intriguing player. I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd be interested in him in the fourth fifth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you got him right there. Y. Yes, I'm sorry, Jaquan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say these people's name right and Peel, I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. Oh, I was like, wait a second, so
Speaker 1: we got so we got Kyle for to say the name.
Speaker 1: What's her guards name again? Steve Avula Aula like the
Speaker 1: old Tiger's catcher Alex And yes, for those of you listening,
Speaker 1: Steve of Vila, it's Avula everybody. But it's to me,
Speaker 1: all those jerks, all right, tell me more about Braydon Willis,
Speaker 1: tight end out of Oklahoma. Good frame, good foundation as
Speaker 1: a blocker was the first thing I had written down.
Speaker 1: He's actually a local prospect too, Arlington Martin High School.
Speaker 1: Play in the shadow of AT and T. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: started off strong hands when packing a punch on a block,
Speaker 1: experience playing with some of the best quarterbacks of course
Speaker 1: in college football, and he worked well to all parts
Speaker 1: of the field. Because of that, he had some versatility,
Speaker 1: going back and forth to the sideline, to the interior
Speaker 1: of the field, going playing in between the hash marks.
Speaker 1: One thing I had against him is he's not polished
Speaker 1: enough in contested situations. There were a lot of times
Speaker 1: when he's in traffic and he looked uncomfortable. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get tested by those physical defenders at the second level
Speaker 1: that you didn't see a whole lot at the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: and I think because of that, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a learning curve. But I think overall
Speaker 1: he's a he's a good receiver, he's a better blocker
Speaker 1: at the tight end position. I like him in the
Speaker 1: mid rounds. I think he's a fourth or a fifth
Speaker 1: round guy. But as an under the radar tight end prospect,
Speaker 1: I think he's somebody that can grow and be better
Speaker 1: for your football tie. I got issues with it. Feels
Speaker 1: he feels very tweener, like okay, like like I mean
Speaker 1: just in general though, like it's one of these things
Speaker 1: where he is smaller, so it's not like the prototypical
Speaker 1: like one by the way, but then he's not like
Speaker 1: this athletic threat that can you know, pressure defenses that
Speaker 1: way and that he can be more of the Evan
Speaker 1: Ingram type of tight end. And we're not talking about
Speaker 1: a first round player here, so that's not necessarily the
Speaker 1: skill set. I will say he's very tough. I like
Speaker 1: in general his willingness to make plays in traffic. I
Speaker 1: think he's got solid hands. But overall, I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't see a ton that thrilled me about him. He'd
Speaker 1: be very late on the board for him. I liked
Speaker 1: paying Durham from Purdue better. He's six six, two fifty three.
Speaker 1: I think I think you guys are talking about the
Speaker 1: size and stuff. Durham at eleven, I have Willis at twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the time I just if you gave me a
Speaker 1: choice between the two of those kind of those late guys.
Speaker 1: I think you both got the player right. I just
Speaker 1: I like paying Durham a little bit better from Purdue.
Speaker 1: What do you think about about Willis specifically? I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like though to me, like to say, Bobby's
Speaker 1: got him right with the tweener stuff. You know, I
Speaker 1: just you wonder if you're going to be a tweener guy,
Speaker 1: you got to make more of the plays down the
Speaker 1: field and stuff like that. And I you know that
Speaker 1: part of me worried me a little bit about him,
Speaker 1: you know, again, the separation to catching the ball and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He's got some yards after the catchability. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, though, to me, like
Speaker 1: I it was one of those things where he just
Speaker 1: didn't fit my eye when I was thinking about because
Speaker 1: there's so many of these guys. Okay, I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example two of another guy. I'll give you another
Speaker 1: guy that you know, we talk about Kincaide's six four
Speaker 1: two forty six. You know, but that's a first round
Speaker 1: potentially first round guy. I'll give you another guy, Dennis
Speaker 1: Davis Allen from Clemson. Yeah, Okay, there's like if you're
Speaker 1: going to go and and talk about a guy like
Speaker 1: we're just visiting on I have guys ahead at him
Speaker 1: that I would did. I would say, you know, if
Speaker 1: if it comes down to I think I would take
Speaker 1: somebody else as opposed to hand that tag in. I
Speaker 1: think that hender Shot and Ferguson are both better options
Speaker 1: coming out of school than Willis was. That's fair. What
Speaker 1: about Zach Kountz from Old Dominion? Okay, you go for it.
Speaker 1: I used you know this one. No, I talked about him,
Speaker 1: I talked about him, did bring him up, and I
Speaker 1: went and watched him, and I like it is, yes, Ruin.
Speaker 1: You don't want to say it the other way. You
Speaker 1: must see me on Twitter like I always say it
Speaker 1: like Koont's and everybody goes, sure you do. Wait, what
Speaker 1: does that mean Beamers about to catch her micro? No,
Speaker 1: we're about to get kicked off the air. I'm just
Speaker 1: staying that's how he says his name, right, I mean
Speaker 1: I just responded to Twitter question. No, No, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a dude. People are people. I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: good work here. I don't know what everybody great work, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't know what everybody I don't know what everybody
Speaker 1: else out there is trying to do. That doesn't for us.
Speaker 1: You're on the Draft show. Don't tell me about the player.
Speaker 1: Tell me about Old Dominion tight end. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna say his name again. Shout out to Old Dominion,
Speaker 1: by the way, Shout out to Old Dominion for the
Speaker 1: three cameras set up on their film. It is the
Speaker 1: best film in the entire country. Wow, you can see
Speaker 1: everything because their broadcast doesn't have a whole lot of
Speaker 1: put in quotes. Older guy, Okay, I'll know. What I
Speaker 1: was thinking, is he I don't have his birthday on
Speaker 1: here yet, barnacles. You know, well, I said, older guys,
Speaker 1: so he must be he's a trans penn State Yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, he's a Penn State transfer. Sorry, he got
Speaker 1: injured last season. He was dealing with a knee or
Speaker 1: something like that. I think that's why he's kind of
Speaker 1: been under the radar a little bit. But um uh,
Speaker 1: I was about to say, oh yeah, I sneakily said
Speaker 1: that I felt like he was one of the more
Speaker 1: athletic tight ends in this year. Not wrong. He can
Speaker 1: high point the ball. I thought I he was a
Speaker 1: red zone threat, and um, I think with the right coaching,
Speaker 1: he can definitely, you know, get better in the blocking game.
Speaker 1: I guess that would be the only like and I
Speaker 1: would even call it a knock because the willingness, like
Speaker 1: we talk about, is the willingness there is he trying?
Speaker 1: Is he trying to put hands on guys? I think
Speaker 1: he plays through traffic pretty well too. He's not afraid
Speaker 1: to play through traffic. And like we were just talking
Speaker 1: about with Willis, that's something he struggles with. That's something
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for with tight ends, especially because people
Speaker 1: are creating track man that that that athletic says, I
Speaker 1: don't even know that that's it's aggressive, Like I mean
Speaker 1: when seven he ran four or five five he jump? No,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just saying, it's when you look at
Speaker 1: the testing, it's absurd. How athletic this guy is six
Speaker 1: eight seven three cone at sixty seven, which you say,
Speaker 1: it's not something you always see. No, no, no, I know.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying when you look at it,
Speaker 1: like it's like, holy cow, what a freaking athlete. When
Speaker 1: you jumped forty inches, you got a broad of eleven
Speaker 1: almost you got the six eight three Cone. It's just
Speaker 1: wild how athletic this guy. It shows up on tape,
Speaker 1: the target in the red zone stuff. He could finish.
Speaker 1: This guy. He's got a lot of raw ability. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. He's a productive too, because I think
Speaker 1: he second in the in the league in receptions uh
Speaker 1: last year. So he um as a tight end. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the production. And Will McClay mentioned on
Speaker 1: the draft show with us is production? He said production
Speaker 1: with us, So I think that's important moving forward with
Speaker 1: these draftees. But I said sneakily because again I feel
Speaker 1: like people have he's fallen down people's boards because of
Speaker 1: the injury that he had last season, and I think
Speaker 1: that I would. That's why I was like, I think
Speaker 1: he for me. I was like, Oh, who's this dude
Speaker 1: that for me? Sneaky to find him. That's the way
Speaker 1: O keep in mind having mister what's his name again? Brian,
Speaker 1: y'all going to jail, old dominion, tight end, keep him
Speaker 1: on your I'm an old man. They can't throw me
Speaker 1: in JA. We'll be back tomorrow eleven am Central time.
Speaker 1: Damn right, we'll be back. We're gonna have some more
Speaker 1: fun tomorrow. I got a career day, but I'll see
Speaker 1: y'all next week. Career day. That's gonna be a fourth
Speaker 1: grade class. It's got a job better than making money
Speaker 1: on the radio. Daughter's fourth grade class. We gotta go
Speaker 1: do that. Tell them the stuff you talk about on
Speaker 1: the radia. Yeah, I'm going to tell him about Zach
Speaker 1: koontz Ysha. I'm gonna talk about that name. That's it for.
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