Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast. Fred Hey, and this is
Speaker 1: one moan about drama.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited, very special, very special episode for us.
Speaker 1: We were going to do it in a very refreshing
Speaker 1: new start in the show.
Speaker 2: But Freddy, expectively, you know, has started our episode officially,
Speaker 2: so because we're talking.
Speaker 1: Man, yes, I know he's dropping the jewels. Man, I
Speaker 1: gotta get it on camera.
Speaker 2: Well as you know, Uh, those Amigos is not technically
Speaker 2: a show where you know, it's like you know, it's
Speaker 2: not it's not it's not heavy relighting on on the
Speaker 2: stories of of our guests.
Speaker 1: We were kind of explored so much of our lives.
Speaker 2: But in the conversation of our lives, yes, certain individuals
Speaker 2: have popped up and we're like, I ever had someone
Speaker 2: on this show. I had to be Yeah, this man
Speaker 2: right here, know and I'm sorry. I want to you know,
Speaker 2: I want to introduce Lewis House, one of the most
Speaker 2: uh just a prolific voices of inspiration.
Speaker 1: You know, what are you going going to?
Speaker 3: How many years now twelve years.
Speaker 2: Of twelve years of podcasting?
Speaker 1: You know your lunch? I mean multiple books? How many
Speaker 1: books now?
Speaker 3: Five?
Speaker 1: Five books?
Speaker 2: And uh he he's someone that is very important to me.
Speaker 1: We've we've done a pretty.
Speaker 2: Uh, pretty intensive uh we've done our best with the
Speaker 2: lives that we've had to stay connected and soultly connected
Speaker 2: in the energy.
Speaker 1: We absolutely have to do better to the end person.
Speaker 2: But our lives have taken so many different place, you know,
Speaker 2: to so many different places. And I was just excited,
Speaker 2: you know, when I was talking New Freddy about about you,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to start by saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: you started out exploring some of the greatest minds that
Speaker 2: have inspired the plan on it have inspired different sectors
Speaker 2: of our worlds and interests, from sports to business, to
Speaker 2: entertainment to the spiritual world, you know, and all that.
Speaker 2: And and I was telling him many years ago that
Speaker 2: for me, the more I watched everything he did, the
Speaker 2: more I realized that the attention went from some of
Speaker 2: the amazing voices that he was carrying on his show
Speaker 2: to like, what does he think his perspective perspective because
Speaker 2: he's been able to really summerse himself in so many philosophies,
Speaker 2: and you know, we're very big in philosophy over here,
Speaker 2: you know, so for us was very excited to kind
Speaker 2: of explore that and to basically you know, in many ways.
Speaker 2: So it's give you, give you your flowers. You know,
Speaker 2: you Bob lifted. You've changed so many people's lives. You've
Speaker 2: inspired so many people to shade their own selves and
Speaker 2: become better versions of themselves. And you have had your
Speaker 2: own transformative process too, you know. And I think in
Speaker 2: the process of hearing all this wisdom, applying it to
Speaker 2: your life and understanding we're all going to make the mistakes,
Speaker 2: We're all gonna have an appeal battle with certain things
Speaker 2: that you know match or not match other people's journeys.
Speaker 1: You know, it's what you take from it. So I
Speaker 1: was excited.
Speaker 2: I literally texted him two seconds He says, yes, what time,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: Up, and I just uh so, first and foremost, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's a very informal conversation about inspiration and things like that,
Speaker 2: but also kind of like our.
Speaker 1: Way to, you know, to to say thank you.
Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate it for the stuff that you've
Speaker 2: done for so many communities.
Speaker 3: And Puppy can go yeah, almost that's the new podcast.
Speaker 4: One thing I appreciate about you, and hopefully we'll get
Speaker 4: to connect more for it in the future, buddy, even
Speaker 4: though you're so busy doing all the projects that you're
Speaker 4: doing and fatherhood, married, all these different things. We unfortunately
Speaker 4: we haven't seen each other that frequently, but when we do,
Speaker 4: we go really deep, so it feels like a strong
Speaker 4: bond and it feels like I just saw you, even
Speaker 4: though it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: We text, we call, but it's like seeing each other.
Speaker 4: It just feels like I just saw you because of
Speaker 4: that bond that we go deep.
Speaker 3: When we do talk and I do pick.
Speaker 2: Up or we left off, it's it's still just as
Speaker 2: you know, as as as profound you know, and uh
Speaker 2: and you know you you really and I and I
Speaker 2: don't say this often at all, and you know, many
Speaker 2: fifteen plus episodes so far and you know more, you
Speaker 2: haven't really said this, but there's very very few individuals
Speaker 2: at at the meeting have stayed with me in such
Speaker 2: a philosophical in such an insightful way. And your honesty,
Speaker 2: your energy, your way, your heart is open, and we're
Speaker 2: going to explore so many of those things today in
Speaker 2: this conversation and really understanding you know, the the where
Speaker 2: you came from, where you were, you know, and how
Speaker 2: you got here because it's so important for us to
Speaker 2: really humanize you know, you know that destination.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Freddy, you have any and to understand the journey.
Speaker 5: Well, but before we started the show, we realized that
Speaker 5: we're both too Midwest guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We were just kind of talking about the values Midwest
Speaker 5: values and the way that we roll speak.
Speaker 3: To everyone in line.
Speaker 5: It's a very specific thing, yes, yes, that time, Like
Speaker 5: you know, you got East Coast people, you got West
Speaker 5: Coast people, but there's something very specific about Midwest.
Speaker 1: And when when he said that, I was like, ah, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're speaking the same language. So you were born in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Small town, Delaware, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Delaware, Ohio.
Speaker 3: And so what I lived in the Northwest suburbs for
Speaker 3: a summer. Okay, in Chicago, you did.
Speaker 4: I lived in Northwest suburbs. Yeah, where about Arlington Heights Okay?
Speaker 4: And I played college football there a few Diman times
Speaker 4: where it was a Naperville.
Speaker 3: I played a playoff game there. So I've been around Chicago.
Speaker 4: I've been to Wrigley games and the bleachers, shirt off,
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Nice man and so.
Speaker 4: Waste of Chicago. Fourth of July, Taste of Chicago, all
Speaker 4: that stuff I lived.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm going to start this off by saying,
Speaker 5: I'm a fan. Okay, I've watched your stuff in the past,
Speaker 5: and I've been really intrigued about your trajectory and where
Speaker 5: you started and where you out now. I was just
Speaker 5: out right before we got here, I was watching some
Speaker 5: of your latest episodes and us being too Midwest. It's
Speaker 5: like you all of a sudden interviewing people like a monk,
Speaker 5: or like Billy Carson, or.
Speaker 1: Like, like, what's that trajectory?
Speaker 5: Like how do you go from being a kid like
Speaker 5: me from the Midwest, right with those particular values and
Speaker 5: those particular mindsets, right? And you know what I mean
Speaker 5: by sure, right to expanding your brain that way and
Speaker 5: interviewing people like that.
Speaker 4: I lived with a lot of insecurity and my first
Speaker 4: my first core memories. One of my earliest memory, I
Speaker 4: think I've told you this, I've told them to my
Speaker 4: show many times, was being sexually abused by a man
Speaker 4: that I didn't know.
Speaker 3: So that was where.
Speaker 4: My my brain developed with this is the world, you know,
Speaker 4: and this is something that happened to me.
Speaker 3: So therefore I'm unlovable.
Speaker 4: I'm abusable, I'm taken for granted, I'm used all these
Speaker 4: different things. So that's what like shaped in my brain
Speaker 4: when I was eight until I was five. When I
Speaker 4: was eight, my brother went to prison for selling drugs
Speaker 4: to an undercover cop small town, Ohio. This stuff didn't
Speaker 4: happen in like a small kind of middle class, mostly white,
Speaker 4: suburban neighborhood, and so I didn't know anyone that went
Speaker 4: to prison.
Speaker 3: So my brother's eleven years older than me.
Speaker 4: I was eight, he was nineteen, and it was an
Speaker 4: undercover cop that caught him asking him for LSD and
Speaker 4: he was like just kind of like buying a little
Speaker 4: weed back in the day in college. He was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know how to get it, but they kept
Speaker 4: pushing it, and so he was like, well, let me
Speaker 4: go ask someone and ask someone and then found it out.
Speaker 4: So he went to prison, sentenced six to twenty five
Speaker 4: years because it was the war against drugs back in
Speaker 4: the early nineties, and he got off for four and
Speaker 4: a half in good behavior. But it marked my brain,
Speaker 4: in my family's brains, and the emotions, the stress, the fear,
Speaker 4: the drama, the guilt, shame, all that stuff was mixed up,
Speaker 4: and my parents. They loved us kids. I was the
Speaker 4: youngest of four, but they didn't love each other, so
Speaker 4: they didn't show love. So I was telling you before,
Speaker 4: I was like, I never saw myself getting married because
Speaker 4: I never felt safe emotionally in a relationship. So that's
Speaker 4: then there's multiple instances where I just never felt enough.
Speaker 4: I was in the bottom of my class all through school,
Speaker 4: so I just felt very insecure for most of my
Speaker 4: childhood and very emotionally. My nervous system was always kind
Speaker 4: of in fire or flight. Yeah, and that just shaped
Speaker 4: a belief system in me, and that belief system, whatever
Speaker 4: we have, shapes and influences our behaviors. So I behaved
Speaker 4: in a way that was very anxious. I behaved in
Speaker 4: a way where I clinged on to people. I would
Speaker 4: change who I was to please people because I wanted
Speaker 4: to feel safe and secure, and I chased things to
Speaker 4: seek approval. I chased you know, being good in sports,
Speaker 4: making money, girls, whatever it was, because my belief system was, Okay,
Speaker 4: you're not good enough, you're unlovable, and people take advantage
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 3: So my behavior has just matched my beliefs. That's what
Speaker 3: we all do.
Speaker 4: Our beliefs influence our behaviors, and our beliefs are formed
Speaker 4: on our the meaning we give our memories. So the
Speaker 4: memories I had for twenty five years, I imagined myself
Speaker 4: being sexually abused.
Speaker 3: In a bathroom by a guy that I didn't know.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of like a movie playing that
Speaker 4: I would just try to block and then focus on
Speaker 4: something else, but it was always coming up, and that
Speaker 4: interpretation of the event, the memory created a sense of
Speaker 4: fear within my body. My nervous system was emotionally charged
Speaker 4: and not heightened. And again that interpretation. Until I mend
Speaker 4: or heal that memory, that's going to live inside of
Speaker 4: me and it's going to shape my beliefs, what's going
Speaker 4: to influence my behaviors, which is going to create.
Speaker 3: My environment in my reality.
Speaker 4: You have stuff from childhood, if you've healed it or
Speaker 4: you haven't, it shaped you from being married to the
Speaker 4: person you're married to, from moving to LA for whatever
Speaker 4: reason you moved to LA, and maybe it was because
Speaker 4: you had a dream, or maybe it's because you felt
Speaker 4: you need to prove something. Either way, it shaped you
Speaker 4: getting here. And it doesn't mean it's right or wrong,
Speaker 4: good or bad. It's just that's the result of our environment.
Speaker 4: You were talking about this before we started rolling. I
Speaker 4: was like, how are all the projects going? And you're like,
Speaker 4: it's good, but and you said, oh, I have to
Speaker 4: notice even just saying it's good, it's not where I
Speaker 4: want it to be.
Speaker 3: But I'm reflecting that.
Speaker 4: I'm just responding that it's good because I have an
Speaker 4: expectation that the amount of effort I put in should
Speaker 4: be getting me a certain type of result based on
Speaker 4: a comparison of what I've already had before, based on
Speaker 4: where I'm out of my career and how successful I am,
Speaker 4: or how people perceive me.
Speaker 3: I'm just making this no.
Speaker 2: But it's actually because you're right that question triggered the.
Speaker 4: This friend is doing this and it looks effortless and
Speaker 4: he's everywhere she's.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't. Definitely.
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I feel really healthy about is
Speaker 2: I've never compared myself to somebody else's success. But to
Speaker 2: your point, is I am comparing the success based on
Speaker 2: the image of what I feel that would be. And
Speaker 2: I think for entrepreneurs and people's way them vision, but
Speaker 2: am vision is is.
Speaker 1: Very hard to have a feel.
Speaker 2: We got there right, right, and I think the uh
Speaker 2: so when you ask the question, one of the things
Speaker 2: to your point, and very very intuitive by the way,
Speaker 2: that's louis housing if.
Speaker 1: You're tuning in right now.
Speaker 2: The it's is the ability to say, Okay, if I'm
Speaker 2: going to be honest, I'm not going to give someone
Speaker 2: that I respect and admire and love so much the
Speaker 2: answer is like.
Speaker 1: Everything's doing really good, really great.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like, it's good.
Speaker 2: You know, there is just a couple of imbalances, right,
Speaker 2: and I have to recognize those imbalances in order for
Speaker 2: me to more efficient about the next go around exactly.
Speaker 1: And so that's like, so that's why.
Speaker 2: And to your point, it does bring up things from
Speaker 2: the past, like where have I felt that I have
Speaker 2: not done enough?
Speaker 1: And now I'm doing all of it and more and
Speaker 1: it's still not enough.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, but it's but it's bringing up those negative imbalances.
Speaker 5: Is that projecting bad energy.
Speaker 3: Is what specifically projecting bad energy is.
Speaker 5: You know, we talk about manifestation and we talk about
Speaker 5: projecting good energy. I mean, it's it's not like lying,
Speaker 5: but it's like and this is it is me digging
Speaker 5: more into like what I've been seeing you do lately
Speaker 5: is is wie. We're being honest about what's not positive?
Speaker 5: Is that a good or a bad thing? Because by
Speaker 5: you projecting that it's bad, you are then projecting that
Speaker 5: bad energy, So.
Speaker 3: Is that bad?
Speaker 4: A lot of my yeah, a lot of my thinking
Speaker 4: is more around not is what is right or wrong,
Speaker 4: good or bad?
Speaker 3: Because that's a very judgmental way of thinking.
Speaker 4: And again even that is not right or wrong, good
Speaker 4: or bad, But it's not saying is what he's saying
Speaker 4: good or bad? By reflecting that way, I'm thinking more,
Speaker 4: is it serving him in this moment?
Speaker 3: Is that way of responding thinking serving him?
Speaker 4: And it sounds like he's being authentic and in alignment
Speaker 4: with how he's feeling, so saying it's good.
Speaker 3: It's not where I wanted to be, but it's good.
Speaker 4: It's serving because it's in alignment with who he is
Speaker 4: right now, just being honest. Now, some people in his
Speaker 4: position might be saying, I am the effort I'm putting
Speaker 4: out there is getting a certain type of results.
Speaker 3: Sure do, I wish it was bigger. I had a
Speaker 3: book that just came out.
Speaker 4: Sure do I wish I had tens of thousands more
Speaker 4: copies sold, of course, and I can still be grateful
Speaker 4: for the impact that I'm making with you out of
Speaker 4: sales that I've had and the success that the Scott
Speaker 4: and the people that came out of whatever it is.
Speaker 4: It's like the amount of people that are watching on TV.
Speaker 4: Sure we want it to be the number one show,
Speaker 4: but it's the number three show or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But still, man, I'm living my dreams. I live in
Speaker 4: a beautiful home. My daughter is a sleeping another room.
Speaker 4: I got my friends and family here. I'm having a
Speaker 4: conversation with dos Amigos so popp BEGINNINGO.
Speaker 3: And I'm healthy. I get to even though I wake
Speaker 3: up at five am. I get to train every single day.
Speaker 3: What a blessing.
Speaker 4: So I think it's perspective and it doesn't mean we
Speaker 4: can't be striving for more. But it's just striving for
Speaker 4: more because I'm not good enough, or I'm beating myself up,
Speaker 4: or I need to prove something wrong to the bullies
Speaker 4: that picked on me all through middle school or whatever,
Speaker 4: or the person who abused me or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: For so much in my life, I was driven to
Speaker 4: prove people wrong and to show people why I'm lovable,
Speaker 4: and it was just an unconscious like thing. It wasn't
Speaker 4: like I was consciously like, I'm gonna do this every
Speaker 4: single day and work my asshole, you know, and train
Speaker 4: and show up and do these things because of those
Speaker 4: four kids have made fun of me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like was.
Speaker 2: There a moment, a conversation or an instance where you saw, oh,
Speaker 2: I just cracked it and now I'm looking within and
Speaker 2: that's enough, Like is there you know, especially when you're
Speaker 2: saying like I'm seeking approval, I'm seeking you know, I'm
Speaker 2: going in my mind, I'm still going against the bully's Like,
Speaker 2: is there a moment that cracked the ice and you
Speaker 2: were like, oh, I think I can follow that correct.
Speaker 5: Because you were saying it's unconscious, So when when does
Speaker 5: it become conscious? When do you go, oh, man, I'm
Speaker 5: a I don't know, as people please you're the right
Speaker 5: terminology or like.
Speaker 4: Percent people pleaser yeah, or people prove her. It was
Speaker 4: like trying to prove people wrong or please people to
Speaker 4: like fit in right. So it was a combination of
Speaker 4: all the mixed up emotions and all the traumas, right,
Speaker 4: I think there was there was a number of different
Speaker 4: moments in my journey over the last ten twelve years
Speaker 4: of the healing journey, because it's not a moment. There's
Speaker 4: a moment of AHA, but there's usually a process of
Speaker 4: integration and then a follow through once you get the
Speaker 4: aha of your nervous system feeling relaxed when it's emotionally
Speaker 4: or psychologically triggered in the future, so we can be
Speaker 4: we're tested every day.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like the traffic I'm here.
Speaker 4: If I had anger inside of me, I would have
Speaker 4: been enraged, because I haven't inside of me still any
Speaker 4: in a little trigger, it's going to come out of me,
Speaker 4: but it's peaceful and I know I'm coming to see him,
Speaker 4: so I'm not upset about it. There was a moment
Speaker 4: four years ago where I was going through a challenging
Speaker 4: time and a breakup, where I was in a relationship
Speaker 4: trying to figure out how to navigate it, trying to
Speaker 4: figure out how.
Speaker 3: To make it work, and it wasn't working. For like
Speaker 3: a year year and a half.
Speaker 4: We started doing therapy individually and together, and we weren't
Speaker 4: getting breakthroughs. It was like six to eight hour sessions
Speaker 4: on the weekends and no breakthrough and I felt like
Speaker 4: I had changed and transformed and reinvented and people pleased
Speaker 4: to my limit. And that had been a pattern of
Speaker 4: mine in intimacy with multiple relationships, and it all stems
Speaker 4: from a belief around these core wounds from my parents
Speaker 4: getting divorced but just never really should have been together
Speaker 4: in the first place, and having these kind of psychological
Speaker 4: emotional wounds that I had from previous relationships.
Speaker 3: Not saying that I was perfect or anything, just my
Speaker 3: own beliefs.
Speaker 4: And there was a moment where I had this chest
Speaker 4: pain for years that would come and go and it
Speaker 4: was almost felt like someone was strangling me. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you ever held this just some life. It
Speaker 4: was almost like I couldn't speak, like someone had their
Speaker 4: arm around my throat. It was like a weight of
Speaker 4: ball in my chest that would come and go in relationships.
Speaker 4: And this was here during this couple year relationship. And
Speaker 4: at one point in a therapy session, it's like my
Speaker 4: coach said something to me. After six months of going
Speaker 4: through processing, she says something to me, and it was
Speaker 4: like I finally got it, and I never felt this
Speaker 4: before in my life, but this pain, it was a
Speaker 4: ball of pain in my chest it's almost like it
Speaker 4: exploded internally. It felt like a rush of fluid throughout
Speaker 4: my whole body. I thought I did something to hurt
Speaker 4: myself because it was a rush of fluid throughout my body.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it was and I had to
Speaker 4: really stop in the session. But I haven't felt that
Speaker 4: pain since. Wow, it's been four years, and I felt
Speaker 4: more peace within my body, and I feel like that's
Speaker 4: my nervous system feeling like the adult version of me
Speaker 4: finally said.
Speaker 3: To the young version of me, I got you.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to allow anyone to cross boundaries anymore.
Speaker 4: And it's like the littlest boundaries to the biggest boundaries.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean I need to react and be
Speaker 4: this big tough guy to create a boundary. It's just
Speaker 4: learning to say no, or learning to say I can't
Speaker 4: show up for you and do this, or just saying no,
Speaker 4: I can't promote whatever. It is just learning to say
Speaker 4: no and being okay with people reacting how they want
Speaker 4: to react.
Speaker 5: And can you share what the therapist said to you.
Speaker 1: That made you.
Speaker 4: I think I'm trying to remember the exact thing, but
Speaker 4: I was exercise it. There was multiple exercises, but there
Speaker 4: was there was a moment where I was like, I
Speaker 4: just want to be done with this relationship.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I just want to be done,
Speaker 3: and we were doing.
Speaker 4: Sessions and I remember saying like, I think I want
Speaker 4: to end it right now, and she said, you can
Speaker 4: do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: I'm not advising you what to do.
Speaker 4: But if you haven't felt peace within you and you
Speaker 4: just run away from the situation without creating that peace
Speaker 4: and safety within you, you're likely to reattract a similar
Speaker 4: experience and you're eventually going.
Speaker 3: To have to find a way to create peace within you.
Speaker 4: So I recommend being in the relationship and creating the
Speaker 4: boundaries in the real relationship. Then you'll know when the
Speaker 4: right time is if you're meant to be together or not.
Speaker 4: She wasn't trying to tell me what to do, and
Speaker 4: classic coach right, it's I'm giving.
Speaker 3: You the answers.
Speaker 4: And then so maybe a few weeks after that, I
Speaker 4: was creating all these boundaries in the relationship, and then
Speaker 4: I've talked to you about this stuff before and then
Speaker 4: getting the explosive reactions that I was used to and
Speaker 4: just saying I don't need to do anything I don't
Speaker 4: need to change who I am. Give me the silent
Speaker 4: treatment for three days. I'm not going to go in
Speaker 4: and fix it. I'm going to create MySpace and say
Speaker 4: I'm here to talk when you're ready to talk. All
Speaker 4: these different things, like I was creating these boundaries for
Speaker 4: the next few weeks to where I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm okay even if this person doesn't love me,
Speaker 4: because I'm learning to love myself. And intimacy was a
Speaker 4: challenging thing for me just because I didn't have the
Speaker 4: model or the tools on how to do that, because
Speaker 4: my belief system was shaped in a way that was
Speaker 4: very like just unstable, wasn't in alignment, and so I
Speaker 4: was always seeking love and then people please to keep
Speaker 4: the love because I.
Speaker 3: Didn't want them to be upset at me.
Speaker 4: Anytime you're upset to me, I was like, ah, don't
Speaker 4: leave me or don't be mad at me.
Speaker 3: So that I would cross my own boundary, I would
Speaker 3: not be there for me.
Speaker 4: And so the little boy inside of me was screaming
Speaker 4: at me through ezema, through your chest pain, through feeling stranged,
Speaker 4: like I'm not using my voice.
Speaker 5: So so the boundary you felt it was all me
Speaker 5: your decision to to.
Speaker 4: Make a boundary, boundaries you over and over again, and
Speaker 4: then she said something to me because I was just like,
Speaker 4: I just want peace in my life.
Speaker 3: And she looked at me and she said, you are peace.
Speaker 3: You have to you have to own peace.
Speaker 4: You can't you can't create, you can't give in to something.
Speaker 4: To have peace. You have to be piece, be peace.
Speaker 4: And she just kept saying, over and over again, you
Speaker 4: are piece.
Speaker 2: There's something there's something so empowering about saying I'm gonna
Speaker 2: meet you. I'm just not gonna meet you there, right right,
Speaker 2: most oftentimes we shake the inability for us to to
Speaker 2: act within our strengths. And when we perform or try
Speaker 2: to make reason within our weaknesses, that's where you open
Speaker 2: the door for control. Somebody can really control those emotions
Speaker 2: because they know they can get you up in that frequency.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So, in many friendships in the past, you know, you
Speaker 2: could tell that certain friendships of mine in the past.
Speaker 1: They wanted me to meet them here.
Speaker 2: You know, they wanted to bring me up to this
Speaker 2: level of frequency in which frankly, I didn't feel effective,
Speaker 2: I didn't feel strong, I didn't have clarity, right, So
Speaker 2: I so whatever would come out of my mouth, just
Speaker 2: could not solve it or could not enhance it or
Speaker 2: make it feel better.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying makes so much, and he tracks
Speaker 1: so much. But what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: You know, because in order for us to achieve, build,
Speaker 2: or create or just find that piece within us, Yes,
Speaker 2: you have to really understand where do you stand in
Speaker 2: strength and cultivate that because that's where you can tell
Speaker 2: that little.
Speaker 1: Boy, hey, yeah, I got it, you got you.
Speaker 4: So it was the first time where I felt like
Speaker 4: the adult was in the room, which was me, Like
Speaker 4: I showed up as my adult self within my own body,
Speaker 4: and I said, I got you.
Speaker 3: Whether this girl.
Speaker 4: Likes me or not, whether she gives me the silent
Speaker 4: treatment or not, whether we're together or not, like you're good.
Speaker 4: And I never knew I was going to be good
Speaker 4: with just me. So it was a lot of just
Speaker 4: healing the kind of wounded parts of me that never
Speaker 4: got healed. You break your arm and you never heal it.
Speaker 4: It's going to hurt every time you touch it. You know,
Speaker 4: it's gonna the wind blows, it's going to hurt your arm.
Speaker 4: It's like imagine the emotional and psychology wounds that we have,
Speaker 4: especially like you know, immigrants haven't even stronger wounds of
Speaker 4: just like I need to prove, I need to accelerate,
Speaker 4: I need to like do it for my parents.
Speaker 3: I need to get all these things. It's like men
Speaker 3: deeper levels for it.
Speaker 2: It was crazy, but by the way for it. For
Speaker 2: what's crazy for immigrants is that they may be not
Speaker 2: even a point in their lifetime where they can sit
Speaker 2: with their wounds and say, I'm going to heal that.
Speaker 1: You know, the time you don't have the time, you.
Speaker 5: Have the time or maybe or maybe schools, you know,
Speaker 5: or maybe not even understand the concept of healing.
Speaker 3: Because your parents not even talking about that.
Speaker 5: No, never, I didn't even understand the concept of healing.
Speaker 5: Just in the last like two three years, like like
Speaker 5: when did you as we were back to like the
Speaker 5: Midwest and us, right like like, at what point did
Speaker 5: you go healing is like a thing?
Speaker 3: Right, Well, it wasn't until I moved out of here.
Speaker 5: And I have to like heal these wounds in order
Speaker 5: for me to grow into and to It.
Speaker 3: Wasn't I got here.
Speaker 4: But really it wasn't until I had breakdown after breakdown
Speaker 4: after breakdown in my life about twelve years ago, and
Speaker 4: a relationship was going bad, a business partnership was going bad,
Speaker 4: and I was I was living in West Hollywood, and
Speaker 4: I was playing basketball a lot in the mean streets
Speaker 4: of West Hollywood, and I just started getting I just
Speaker 4: started getting in fights all the time to pick up basketball.
Speaker 4: But this is like, essentially in Beverly Hills. It's not
Speaker 4: like we're freaking comptent or something, you know, It's like we're.
Speaker 2: Do you think that in those moments you were trying
Speaker 2: to release something you didn't know what has.
Speaker 3: So much anger inside of me?
Speaker 4: And here's an analogy I've been talking about lately. Have
Speaker 4: you guys ever heard of someone named Wayne Dyer? You
Speaker 4: ever heard of this guy. He's written a lot of books.
Speaker 4: He's since passed, but he was used to be a
Speaker 4: big spiritual personal development guy and he has sold a
Speaker 4: ton of books, all these things.
Speaker 3: Me and Martha watch a lot of his content now.
Speaker 3: But he passed away I think seven years ago.
Speaker 4: Anyways, he used to give a speech with a great analogy,
Speaker 4: and when he would go on stage, he would take
Speaker 4: an orange out with him on stage and he'd say,
Speaker 4: look at this orange. When you squeeze this orange. What
Speaker 4: type of juice comes out of an orange? And you'd
Speaker 4: ask people what comes orange juice? So if you squeeze
Speaker 4: this orange, Freddy, does apple juice come out?
Speaker 3: Does it? Does apple just come out of an orange?
Speaker 3: It doesn't. Does grape juice come out of it?
Speaker 1: No? No?
Speaker 3: Does watermelon juice come out of an orange? No?
Speaker 1: No it doesn't.
Speaker 4: No, orange juice does. Because that's what's inside. And so
Speaker 4: when we as humans are applied pressure in life, when
Speaker 4: there's an audition and we've got to get ready for
Speaker 4: we get it or we don't get it. When there's
Speaker 4: someone calling me names, when there's traffic and someone cuts
Speaker 4: us off. Whatever, whatever comes out of us is what's
Speaker 4: inside of us. So if there's anger and resentment and
Speaker 4: jealousy and frustration when I'm applied pressure, that emotion is
Speaker 4: going to come out of me. If I'm filled with
Speaker 4: peace and love and harmony in alignment because I've done
Speaker 4: the healing work, then if I get the audition, I
Speaker 4: don't get the audition.
Speaker 3: I have a huge success. The show's number one. It's
Speaker 3: my bombs.
Speaker 4: Sure, maybe I'm a little saddered, just it's not bypassing
Speaker 4: my emotions. But anger is not inside of me. If
Speaker 4: I've healed more, and okay, I have a little disappointment,
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, you know what, did I give
Speaker 4: my best? Did I show up my best today? That's
Speaker 4: what's inside of me, That's what should come out. So
Speaker 4: what I got in all these relationships and fights and
Speaker 4: I would just get triggered so easily. Now I had
Speaker 4: a lot of love and joy inside of me as well,
Speaker 4: So when good things happened, I was like the passion guy,
Speaker 4: fun guy. But you trigger that broken arm that wound
Speaker 4: inside of me. Boom, you hit that button. It's like,
Speaker 4: let's go and defend myself. And that came from feeling
Speaker 4: abused and taking advantage of and all that stuff, needing
Speaker 4: to like defend myself.
Speaker 2: So at some point you said, I want to explore more? Right,
Speaker 2: and how was school for grade news? Because you've built
Speaker 2: an empire out of the search for greatness?
Speaker 1: How how did that idea started?
Speaker 4: It started because I was broken during this time and
Speaker 4: I was like, I need answers. Let me go find
Speaker 4: the smartest people I know and start having these conversations.
Speaker 4: And I was already having these conversations and these kind
Speaker 4: of mentors or coaches were helping me, and I was
Speaker 4: just like, people need to hear.
Speaker 5: This, And did you feel like there was a correlation
Speaker 5: between what they were all saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean early the early days, I was more still
Speaker 4: driven by like how do I be successful?
Speaker 3: How do I be number one? How do you be
Speaker 3: the best?
Speaker 4: It was like learning from champions of sport or industry
Speaker 4: on like getting to the top. So I still driven
Speaker 4: to be number one, But then I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: being number one doesn't mean you're going to be happy, right,
Speaker 4: Look at Wilmer.
Speaker 3: I'm scared.
Speaker 6: Kidding you know, right, he's place doctor met podcast and
Speaker 6: hit TV show, and it's just it's going okay for me,
Speaker 6: it's very good.
Speaker 4: No, So it's it was a journey of like, let
Speaker 4: me learn about how to first be the best I
Speaker 4: can be to destroy people?
Speaker 3: That was like the initial thought.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I mean, like be the best of my industry
Speaker 4: and be number one and be looked at it as
Speaker 4: like cool or whatever. And you mean in competition, how
Speaker 4: can everyone talk about me all the time?
Speaker 3: How can everyone talk make me look good?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Because I was wounded.
Speaker 4: I came from a place of not having friends, being
Speaker 4: in the bottom of my class, being picked on, picked
Speaker 4: the last, sexually abused, all these things to Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna prove people wrong. Let me become the best version
Speaker 4: of me to prove people wrong and run away from
Speaker 4: the pain.
Speaker 3: So I didn't face the pain for twenty five years.
Speaker 4: So I was building a version of me to run
Speaker 4: away from pain, run away from bullying, sexual abuse, sadness,
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. And you can only run for
Speaker 4: so long until it catches up to you. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: can only chase success for so long. That thing is
Speaker 4: gonna keep coming out. There's a storm that's just trailing it.
Speaker 4: And I felt the storm constantly, like just touching the.
Speaker 3: Back of my neck.
Speaker 4: And then the storm hit and it broke in every
Speaker 4: relationship in my life at one point. And that's where
Speaker 4: I was like, something, I'm the common denominator of all
Speaker 4: these relationships and moments in life where I'm reacting. I
Speaker 4: can't blame everyone else anymore. I'm realizing it's me now.
Speaker 4: And that was a reflection moment where I said, let
Speaker 4: me do something.
Speaker 1: I think it was also a combination of.
Speaker 2: The confret you have in certain personalities, or did you
Speaker 2: really take all the blame yourself because that's a pattern, right,
Speaker 2: We all have patterns, and I think you have to
Speaker 2: want to appreciate that there is something you got to
Speaker 2: fix or you know, restructure.
Speaker 1: And the other one is that you have a pattern in.
Speaker 2: Exposing yourself to situations and environments in which triggers that
Speaker 2: other broken self of yourself.
Speaker 4: Yes, and no, I think you know, when we learn
Speaker 4: to love and accept ourselves and create the true boundaries
Speaker 4: we need, Like we can still have people in our
Speaker 4: lives and create a boundary, we don't have to eliminate
Speaker 4: them fully necessarily. There might be friends or family members
Speaker 4: where we're creating boundaries. With some people we might need
Speaker 4: to remove ourselves from completely or for out of alignment.
Speaker 3: But I've learned that, Like, you know, my mom.
Speaker 4: Triggers the crap out of me still, but I've learned
Speaker 4: to accept her more and not get triggered as much
Speaker 4: and just be like, Okay, that's just who she is,
Speaker 4: And I've learned to heal that relationship better as opposed
Speaker 4: to feeling like she's always trying to babe.
Speaker 3: Me as a forty two year old man. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like a grown man, stop babying me. But now
Speaker 3: I'm just like, Okay, it's my mom. I'm gonna accept
Speaker 3: I'm gonna accept it, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Love her for who she is as opposed to it
Speaker 4: like really like triggering me, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 4: learning how to create acceptance and boundaries at the same
Speaker 4: time and and really caring less about what people think.
Speaker 4: And I have a few you know, I care about
Speaker 4: what my wife thinks. But I'm also I create boundaries, right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's because I spoke up for the first time when
Speaker 4: we started a relationship, and I was just like, this
Speaker 4: is what I'm willing to do, and this is what
Speaker 4: I'm not willing to do.
Speaker 3: This is this is my this is I was like,
Speaker 3: no surprise is yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is everything about me, And here's
Speaker 4: what I believe my role should be in this relationship.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna step in one hundred percent into this role.
Speaker 4: I'm not going fifty percent over here, fifty here. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be one hundred percent this and this is what
Speaker 4: I can agree to.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't think I would have if I got married
Speaker 4: in my twenties. There's no way to be stayed married.
Speaker 4: It was like seven failed relationships and lots of therapy
Speaker 4: that got me to place of like creating boundaries and
Speaker 4: to be able to speak up and say, these are
Speaker 4: the agreements that I want to create with you, This
Speaker 4: is where my values are, and can we agree on
Speaker 4: these things. Those agreements, in my mind, create alignment where
Speaker 4: we both have an expectation based on shared values and alignment,
Speaker 4: and that alignment.
Speaker 3: Gives me peace.
Speaker 4: I told you this was like when I came in here,
Speaker 4: I was like, I feel peaceful because I'm in alignment.
Speaker 3: I have harmony.
Speaker 4: But it was a year of having uncomfortable conversation after
Speaker 4: conversation to make sure we're in alignment. So it wasn't
Speaker 4: just hoping we saw eye to eye. It was like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: we need to see eyd eye hear it. If not,
Speaker 4: we need to make an agreement because we don't have
Speaker 4: an agreement, that means we are in disagreement. You're automatically
Speaker 4: you're automatically in disagreement if you do not speak about
Speaker 4: a shared agreement.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that therapy gave you those tools?
Speaker 4: I'm because I think two people alone only have a
Speaker 4: certain amount of tools to do everything. You know, it's
Speaker 4: hard to do everything in an intimate relationship on your own.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean you always need a third party, but
Speaker 4: I think when you can't do it on your own,
Speaker 4: I think it's important to have a third party that
Speaker 4: you both agree with. And when we started dating, within
Speaker 4: the first three months of just dating non exclusively, I said,
Speaker 4: I'm not getting into a committed relationship again unless the
Speaker 4: person I'm committing to will start the relationship in therapy.
Speaker 4: And that was that was the big move. What do
Speaker 4: you mean like a couple the couple's therapy.
Speaker 3: And it was the big move because I was soon
Speaker 3: in the dates within.
Speaker 4: Six months of dating, because I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: want to go down another two year relationship and then
Speaker 4: break up in therapy.
Speaker 3: I was like, let's start in therapy.
Speaker 2: So what you say is like, hey, we're going to
Speaker 2: go into therapy. Let's get the tools we need, accept.
Speaker 3: And make sure we're in alignment. Otherwise let's move on.
Speaker 4: Like I don't want to be in a two three
Speaker 4: four year relationship because we care about each other and
Speaker 4: we're good people and we'd try to make it work, but.
Speaker 3: It's not working.
Speaker 4: Like, let's figure this out in the first year if
Speaker 4: we have a shot, and that gave me a lot
Speaker 4: of peace because it was the first time I felt
Speaker 4: like I had a partner willing to invest in personal
Speaker 4: growth as well because I was always doing it. And
Speaker 4: all the girls that I dated before never wanted to
Speaker 4: do therapy together. When things were getting rough, they resisted it,
Speaker 4: And I was like, why.
Speaker 3: Do you think girls would die for this? You know,
Speaker 3: do you think they were resisting it?
Speaker 4: I chose women out of a wound, and I chose
Speaker 4: I think I chose nothing against these women, but I
Speaker 4: don't know any woman that wouldn't die for their man
Speaker 4: to wish they would go to therapy with them if
Speaker 4: something struggled. But none of the women I chose ever
Speaker 4: wanted to go because then they would have to face
Speaker 4: their own They would have to face around stuff, accountability
Speaker 4: to accountability. And I was choosing these women based on
Speaker 4: my own wounds. And again doesn't mean they're right or wrong.
Speaker 2: You were choosing them to fit the way you were
Speaker 2: molded to be at that moment exactly.
Speaker 4: And had I created, you know, had courageous conversations early on,
Speaker 4: I probably would never have been with any of these women.
Speaker 4: But I was more bonded by chemicals, by chemical pleasure
Speaker 4: rather than spiritual connection because I wasn't having those conscious
Speaker 4: conversations early on. There was intimacy and deep conversation, but
Speaker 4: if they didn't like something that I was saying, this
Speaker 4: is my vision or my value, I would kind of
Speaker 4: be like changed to make sure they liked me.
Speaker 3: So I was I'd be like, Okay.
Speaker 4: I won't do this if you don't want to do that,
Speaker 4: if that makes you uneasy, I'll just do what you
Speaker 4: want me to do. Because I was more chemically bonded
Speaker 4: rather than are we spiritually aligned? And that's why I
Speaker 4: feel peace because there's better alignments and better agreements, and
Speaker 4: if you don't have a greets, you're in disagreement.
Speaker 3: That doesn't feel good. That's out of alignment.
Speaker 5: You said earlier that a lot of your books and
Speaker 5: what you do is based.
Speaker 1: On the concept of healing.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, And as we were just talking about like immigrants,
Speaker 5: for example, you just said that earlier.
Speaker 1: You're like, can you imagine.
Speaker 5: What immigrants are going through and the trauma that they're facing,
Speaker 5: and the and the healing that needs to happen right
Speaker 5: in them? How did you come to the conclusion that
Speaker 5: you needed to just heal like what was like, how
Speaker 5: did that concept even come into your brain?
Speaker 1: And I as first you think about like how do
Speaker 1: I fix myself? You don't think like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: to heal, right, that that healing is even a concept.
Speaker 4: Here's why, because all three of us are driven guys. Right,
Speaker 4: we want to succeed. We want to be able to provide,
Speaker 4: We want to be able to make money. We want
Speaker 4: to be acknowledged for our skills and our talents. Right,
Speaker 4: you want to you want to do a good job,
Speaker 4: and you don't want it to just be good. You
Speaker 4: want it to be you know, the top. Right, you
Speaker 4: want to you know your effort is acknowledged. Right, you
Speaker 4: want to be We all but no, seriously, we all
Speaker 4: want them though, we all we all want we all
Speaker 4: want to be successful in whatever we're doing.
Speaker 3: However that looks like for us, whatever that that success
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 4: The challenge is when I accomp when I became a millionaire,
Speaker 4: when I was on the USA national team for an
Speaker 4: Olympic sport, when I had the beautiful girlfriend, when I
Speaker 4: had you know, people recognizing me, I still didn't love
Speaker 4: and accept myself.
Speaker 3: So I was chasing the success, the money, the rewards,
Speaker 3: the awards.
Speaker 4: To feel good, and I still wasn't feeling good. Momentarily,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, like that feels good. They're acknowledging
Speaker 4: me or whatever. I have money, but I still had
Speaker 4: a lot of sadness. So I was like, what's the
Speaker 4: point of making this money or succeeding or being on
Speaker 4: magazine covers if I don't feel whole? And so for me,
Speaker 4: as I was studying greatness from all these individuals and
Speaker 4: studying how to manifest and how to create the life
Speaker 4: we want, I was realizing that without feeling whole, all
Speaker 4: the success is nice, but it doesn't fulfill me because
Speaker 4: I am still not whole. So what is the point
Speaker 4: of the success or the awards or the girl whatever
Speaker 4: if it still does not fulfill me?
Speaker 1: And if you're not fulfilled, then you cannot enjoy those
Speaker 1: achievements because.
Speaker 3: Then you're still like I need more. Right, I have
Speaker 3: this much money, it's not making me feel good. Let
Speaker 3: me go for more. I still feel like I'm in scarcity.
Speaker 4: Scarcity comes from a lack of wholeness out of alignment.
Speaker 4: We live in an emotional scarcity. Our nervous system feels disaligned,
Speaker 4: and so we feel stressed, anxious, not enough. I needed
Speaker 4: to be doing more. And it doesn't mean we can't
Speaker 4: work really hard at our craft every day and we're
Speaker 4: out of alignment or something. It doesn't mean we just
Speaker 4: sit around and do nothing. I'm still a believer in
Speaker 4: giving full energy, full effort, mastering your craft, being the
Speaker 4: best you can be, excelling to be the top, whatever
Speaker 4: that looks like for you.
Speaker 3: But not the top.
Speaker 4: Were the results giving us the benefit I'll give you.
Speaker 4: I'll give you a quick example that's recent for me
Speaker 4: with this book launch that I had. I just got
Speaker 4: married six weeks ago, right, and then I decided to
Speaker 4: do a wedding experience and then a book launch and
Speaker 4: a book tour within like the same month, which was crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't recommend it. And I remember thinking to myself
Speaker 4: during the book launch and the tour, I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm going to hit the New
Speaker 4: York Times bestseller list as an author. That's kind of
Speaker 4: like the mark of success, right, And I'd been on
Speaker 4: it twice before with other books.
Speaker 3: But I was like, did I do enough? Did I
Speaker 3: do enough marketing? Do I do enough touring? Did I
Speaker 3: do enough press?
Speaker 4: All these different things, and I was literally at the
Speaker 4: place where I was just like, I did enough for
Speaker 4: me to make an impact on people, and I did
Speaker 4: the best I could with the season of life I'm
Speaker 4: at and it's not worth getting sick over gaining weight,
Speaker 4: over feeling exhausted.
Speaker 3: It's not worth that for some list. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm at peace, even if if it happens or not.
Speaker 4: And if you hit the list in two books before
Speaker 4: and then you don't hit it again, Normally I'd be like, ah,
Speaker 4: I need to do it, because how is I gonna
Speaker 4: look what if no one shows up, or what if
Speaker 4: no one comes to my tour? What if I'm not
Speaker 4: on the list and I have to promote I didn't
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 3: What's that going to make me feel?
Speaker 4: But I was set so much peace, Like the day
Speaker 4: of the list coming out, I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: actually think it's gonna happen, and I'm okay with it.
Speaker 4: And it happened, and I was like that's cool too,
Speaker 4: And I was like, the awards are nice, but making
Speaker 4: an impact and doing something that I feel is meaningful
Speaker 4: for me, like I grew in the process of creating
Speaker 4: this art for me, and that is the real win
Speaker 4: at this level. So the whole key to manifesting what
Speaker 4: you want, the whole key to having the ultimate success
Speaker 4: is creating a sense of wholeness and alignment within you. First,
Speaker 4: not needing the thing to fulfill me and feeling better
Speaker 4: about me, but feeling good about me because I'm in
Speaker 4: the act. And you guys have probably heard this a
Speaker 4: million times. It's like, it's the daily pursuit, not the
Speaker 4: results that should bring us joy. Now, the success is
Speaker 4: always a nice bonus. The list, the number one show,
Speaker 4: the money is a great bonus because it's a sense
Speaker 4: of acknowledgment in your industry. But as you guys know,
Speaker 4: like this, I'm adjacent to the entertainment world. I'm like
Speaker 4: in it, but not really. It's like there's got to
Speaker 4: be a lot of pressure for actors and producers and
Speaker 4: writers of like. Oh, but it's so subjective and it's
Speaker 4: like a little committee with the New York Times list.
Speaker 4: It's a committee of people I don't know who they are,
Speaker 4: who knows how they actually decide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a weird numbers game in a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time, exactly. It's not even like the life
Speaker 2: of the Book.
Speaker 3: It's not just like that week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that week, You're like, well, what if like the
Speaker 2: press was delayed, what if like that article didn't go wide?
Speaker 2: You know, like there's so much stuff that really plays
Speaker 2: a factor and with how you're performing that week anyways,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, a lot of stuff was coming up
Speaker 2: as you were bringing up and speaking of your book.
Speaker 2: I want to actually talk a bit about your book
Speaker 2: because I know it definitely wasn't easy for me to
Speaker 2: make a book, and I will say this guy's had multiples.
Speaker 1: What I really want to do is really break down
Speaker 1: what this book really means. You know.
Speaker 2: This is part one of the two part conversation with
Speaker 2: my brother Lewis House. So this is part one, see
Speaker 2: you guys are part two. This is Those Amigos and
Speaker 2: my brother An. I'm Freddie Rodriguez and I'll see you
Speaker 2: in the next one.
Speaker 5: Those Amigos production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael through
Speaker 5: That podcast network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez and Wilmer Valdorama.
Speaker 2: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer Zabos.
Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Wilmer Valderama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,
Speaker 5: and Leo Klem at WV Sound.
Speaker 2: This episode was shot and edited it by Ryan Posts
Speaker 2: and mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by
Speaker 2: Madison Devenport and Halo boy Our.
Speaker 5: Cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed by
Speaker 5: Deny Holtzklau And.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being at Third Amigo today. I appreciate
Speaker 2: you guys always listening to those amigos.
Speaker 5: For more podcasts from my Heart, visit the I Heart
Speaker 5: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your
Speaker 5: favorite shows.
Speaker 1: See you next week.