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Speaker 2: Yeah, if anyone's watching right now, it might it looks light.

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Speaker 2: Email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com. That's what we do,

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Speaker 1: No, man, that was really good. I think Parker said

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Speaker 2: Hey Granger, have been a fan of your music for

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Speaker 2: over ten years and enjoy the podcast. Throughout the last

496
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497
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Speaker 2: where we intend to bring the message of Jesus to

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Speaker 2: those who haven't heard in unreached places. I saw that

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Speaker 2: you recently went to Southeast Asia, and what were your

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Speaker 2: my eyes to the importance of the Great Commission, especially

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Speaker 2: to those who have never heard. I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: see how the Lord uses you. Tyler from Mississippi. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I I would have the answer that you would think

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Speaker 2: all of us to get out of a bubble. I

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Speaker 2: just how well we have it here and that that

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Speaker 2: it is to live in a first world country, something

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Speaker 2: that none of us had a choice in. There are,

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Speaker 2: Most of us, most of us were just born here

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Speaker 2: and that was not in our own doing, and so

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Speaker 2: that's eye opening in itself. I know you've traveled, you've

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Speaker 2: seen third world stuff, so yeah, it's it's important to

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Speaker 2: see it, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll change you more than you think you're going

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Speaker 1: to change the people.

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Speaker 2: There boom, exactly exactly. Sometimes I get ones and I

526
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Speaker 2: think this is too long.

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Speaker 1: Have you been getting a lot about your book? Which

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Speaker 2: Right? Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sitting in a room with like an author,

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Speaker 1: a New York bestseller list author. Congrats, dude, it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man. Yeah, praise God that.

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Speaker 1: You know. It takes a long time for me to

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Speaker 1: get news like that. It just kind of trickles down

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Speaker 1: that just eventually Leslie tells.

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Speaker 2: Me like, oh, hey, no, that just happened recently. Okay,

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Speaker 2: than a week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I heard it on the podcast last week

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Speaker 1: from Amber.

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Speaker 2: Right there you go. Yeah. So to answer your question,

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Speaker 2: these are random and like right now I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: a couple from June. Okay, you know, so the book,

544
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Speaker 2: but this is interesting. I don't know what they's about

545
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Speaker 2: to say, but we're about to get We're about to

546
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Speaker 2: get into it says what is true all caps? What

547
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Speaker 2: is true worship? And what should we avoid when worshiping God? Hey,

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Speaker 2: Grangeerd liked to remain anonymous. I'll try to keep this

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Speaker 2: as short as I can. I'm fifteen years old. I

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Speaker 2: love that. Man, I'll just stop right there. What did

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Speaker 2: you say, I'm fifteen years old? That's pretty cool. I'm

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Speaker 2: a male living in Houston, Texas town. For a while,

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Speaker 2: I've had a strong, strong desire to play an instrument

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Speaker 2: and possibly be part of a worship team at my church.

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Speaker 2: Since I love singing and just praising God, I feel

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Speaker 2: like being on a worship team is something that I'd

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Speaker 2: love to be a part of and I would greatly enjoy.

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Speaker 2: I want to play an electric guitar possibly, But one

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Speaker 2: thing that comes to my mind is how can I

560
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Speaker 2: have the right motives? Also, how can I start? How

561
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Speaker 2: could I be part of a worship team but not

562
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Speaker 2: steal his quote show, but instead just use what I

563
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Speaker 2: am to praise God. So I guess what I'm trying

564
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Speaker 2: to say is how should I go about this in

565
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Speaker 2: the right way and not make it about me? How

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Speaker 2: do you know that this is something that I should

567
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Speaker 2: actually get into? And what are some things that we

568
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Speaker 2: need to avoid win worshiping in general? Any advice for

569
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Speaker 2: getting into musical instruments? Love your brother and thank you

570
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Speaker 2: for what you do. God bless. Yeah, that's cool. That's

571
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Speaker 2: a cool email. He leave his name, it's anonymous, honest. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he's asking those kind of questions at fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's step point. Step one wrote. Your art's in

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Speaker 2: the right place. And I know you're not gonna have

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Speaker 2: a problem with this because you're asking the right questions.

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Speaker 2: It's the people that don't even think about a question

577
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Speaker 2: like that that could possibly get into trouble. And so

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Speaker 2: what Bernie and I would encourage you to do is,

579
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Speaker 2: don't drift from this. This is a great place. And

580
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Speaker 2: sometimes let me give you a warning. Actually, let me

581
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Speaker 2: give you a really strong warning. I was once fifteen

582
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Speaker 2: and really into this kind of stuff, really into God,

583
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of like church camps type stuff, and

584
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Speaker 2: I drifted. So it's definitely possible. Right now, I'm assuming

585
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Speaker 2: you're living at home and you know your life is

586
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Speaker 2: pretty focused. And as that as the distractions that come

587
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: and life expands and your world gets bigger and bigger

588
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: and bigger, and your responsibilities get greater, we have a

589
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Speaker 2: tendency to drift away from that. So remember this, and

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Speaker 2: remember these questions that you're asking at fifteen, and just

591
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Speaker 2: how special it is. Were you like that, did you drift?

592
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Speaker 1: Oh for sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty common that you would.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you can speak a little bit too, because

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Speaker 1: obviously you you have a platform that a lot of

596
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Speaker 1: people kind of look to you your musical talent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've done everything right writer, actor, singer, songwriter, if you

598
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Speaker 1: moving forward are trying to and this guy's doing the

599
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Speaker 1: same thing. Man, I just want to I want to

600
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Speaker 1: glorify God with the gifts he's given and him his

601
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Speaker 1: name be praised, not mine. How would you like give

602
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Speaker 1: this guy advice on because those things are gonna come

603
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Speaker 1: Like the enemy is going to try to like say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you could you could use this talent

605
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Speaker 1: this way and you make more money and you people

606
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Speaker 1: would like you and you could. How would you, you know,

607
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Speaker 1: kind of help him kind of stay true to what

608
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Speaker 1: he feels like, this is what I want to do.

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00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's are this is all going to end up

610
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Speaker 2: in the same place, but there's a lot of ways

611
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Speaker 2: to approach it. And one thing I'm seeing here is

612
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Speaker 2: he says, for a while, I've had a strong desire

613
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Speaker 2: to play an instrument and possibly be part of a

614
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Speaker 2: worship team. That means he doesn't play anything right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: The answer, my answer is going to be a little

617
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Speaker 2: bit different than if you were like, Man, I'm a

618
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Speaker 2: phenomenal guitar player. I've been playing for seven years and

619
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Speaker 2: I've everyone thinks I'm the best guitar player in the school.

620
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Speaker 2: How do I use this to glorify God? That's a

621
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Speaker 2: different question than Hey, but I just have a desire

622
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Speaker 2: to just help out with worship. That's kind of what

623
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Speaker 2: you're saying. So, yeah, sure, learn guitar, Learn piano. Twenty

624
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Speaker 2: twenty three is a fantastic time to learn the instrument

625
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: because of so many resources on YouTube. But where you

626
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Speaker 2: want to go is where you want to end up

627
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Speaker 2: is what is what is true worship. That's what you're

628
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Speaker 2: asking and to participate in that. From the instrument side

629
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Speaker 2: of things, what you want to do. The goal is

630
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Speaker 2: that you want everyone to worship together. It's a participation

631
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Speaker 2: with the assembly, with the gathering. So you want to

632
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Speaker 2: help as much as you can to facilitate the participation

633
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Speaker 2: of the gathering. That's the goal. Anything beyond that is

634
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Speaker 2: becoming a performance, and anything that's that's hindering anyone from

635
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: participating themselves. Is that's when it's becoming idolatry for the

636
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Speaker 2: instrument or the music or the band of the worship

637
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: team themselves. That's really easy to do and it happens

638
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: all the time. So you have to kind of recenter yourself.

639
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Speaker 2: But just keep remembering the goal. My goal if you

640
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Speaker 2: even play guitar, but let's take the instrument out. If

641
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Speaker 2: you're just going to be on a worship team, your

642
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 2: goal in a worship team should be to help make

643
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Speaker 2: the assembly praise God, sing and worship their creator through

644
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Speaker 2: singing through music. Right, And so you want to look

645
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Speaker 2: at the room and you want this guy over here

646
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Speaker 2: in the wheelchair, and this elderly woman, and these teenagers

647
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Speaker 2: in the back, and this young couple with the baby.

648
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Speaker 2: You want everyone to be able to equally participate and

649
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: sing and giving thanks to their God. And what an

650
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: incredible opportunity that is for a worship team. And I

651
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: wish they all looked at it that way, like, man,

652
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: what an incredible opportunity that I get to stir up

653
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: these people so that we could all together sing and

654
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: praise God. It is not a worship is you're the

655
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: one performing to God. You're not absorbing it from the stage.

656
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: So worship should never be I'm sitting in a chair

657
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: my arms across, and I'm taking in the band and

658
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: hearing what they have to say about our God. Instead,

659
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: you are performing to God your thanks. So remember that's

660
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: a complicated way to say it. Remember that's the end goal.

661
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: However you get to that end goal, there's a million ways. Guitar,

662
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: you're the guy that puts the batteries in the microphones.

663
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: There's a lot of ways to do it. But just

664
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: don't forget the end goal.

665
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go this path and you step on

666
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: a stage, you do need to do that cautiously. I

667
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: think that people will have a gift of singing or playing,

668
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: and they really think that Sunday Mornings is like Christian karaoke, like, well,

669
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: this is my chance to just sing and use my gifts.

670
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: But really, what you're what you're doing is you're pastoring people.

671
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: And what Granger just said, when you've been in a

672
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: service where where there is a worship pastor, you feel

673
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: that is what they're doing. They're explicit. The language that

674
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: they use is very much hey, it is not here,

675
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: it's not me. We are here to glorify God together.

676
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: They are leading you in that and they want you

677
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: to follow in that. But you'll just as you grow up,

678
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, you'll probably sit in a lot of different

679
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: worship services, and I think that you'll kind of like sense, man,

680
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: this worship pastor really is drawing me into want to

681
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: praise Jesus. This one he's really just you know, kind

682
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: of singing all these crazy runs and the in the

683
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: vocal and looking at the lights, and it just you

684
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: don't really you feel more drawn to just watch than participate.

685
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: So true. So I'm looking at some notes that I

686
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: have about about this very question. And I know we

687
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: always say this podcast we don't even have notes, but

688
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: here's actually some notes because I have a lot of

689
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: stuff that I've just I have stored up on my

690
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: phone about worship itself. But I have a question here.

691
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: It says what is worship. Worship is truth based, spiritual focused,

692
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: It's focused on God's greatness. And I have I have

693
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: some scripture here to back it up. And this seclude

694
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: This includes active reverence and words of reverence. And it's

695
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: a posture that you have which is so many times

696
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: that it's a posture of submission. Or a posture of

697
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: raised hands. There's different postures that go along with this.

698
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Why does God want us to sing? There's a lot

699
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: of biblical references to that. In fact, God himself sings.

700
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: There's references to that having words of scriptural truth, that's

701
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: a big deal. Why is it important to have congregational

702
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: singing well? Jesus singing groups? And there's lots of biblical

703
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: references to this. I'm working fast through all these notes,

704
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: but generally, here's good. This is good for you. Generally,

705
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: there were groups of skilled singers and musicians leading others

706
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: and singing about God's greatness. Second Chronicles twenty nine, twenty

707
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: seventh or twenty eight says when the burnt offering began,

708
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: the song of the Lord also began with the trumpets

709
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: and the instruments of David, King of Israel. So all

710
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: the assembly worshiped, the singers saying, and the trumpets sounded.

711
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: All this continued until the bird offering was finished. So

712
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: we have the instruments and the people and the singers

713
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: then stirring up all the assembly to worship. So the

714
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: Second Chronicles thirty four to twelve says, all of whom

715
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: were skillful with instruments of music. So everything you're saying

716
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: it's right and biblical. You just got to remember what

717
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: the goal is. And we are servants. We're worshiping God,

718
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: and the focus is reverence, and it's it's about God's greatness,

719
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: and it's it's avoiding drawing attention to yourself. So everything

720
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: that you're saying is right, don't drift from that. Remember

721
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: the end goal and worship away. The next line, sorry,

722
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: I just flipped. I flipped the email and the next

723
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: one up says God and death metal. That's the Hey,

724
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: GRADU have been listening to your podcast about two months

725
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: now and your words have been really eye opening, though

726
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: I actually found out about you through Kentucky Ballistics. Some

727
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: background here. My name's Liam, I'm twenty six. I live

728
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: in Utah. I was raised in a very Christian household,

729
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: going to church since the age of two, and I

730
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: found a great church. Since moving here, my taste in

731
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: music has gotten heavier and heavier, to the point where

732
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: I'm listening to mostly death metal and I'm thinking about

733
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: becoming a vocalist for a death metal band. So my

734
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: question is this, is it possible to enjoy and create

735
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: something as harsh as death metal while still serving God.

736
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: And if not, do you have any advice? Thanks? Liam?

737
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: What a crazy email to come randomly right after that.

738
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: What do you think burns would you got?

739
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Liam? I think that, hey, redeem it, man. I don't

740
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: want to be as closed minded to say that, you know,

741
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: God only wants this form and this worship to look

742
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: like this. What I was going to tell the last

743
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: due that's fifteen piggybacking on the email before that was

744
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: travel around the world if you possibly can and see

745
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: how other cultures worship God's what their worship service is like,

746
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: because it changes, you know, somewhat dramatically and depending on

747
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: where you go. But I don't know, I don't want

748
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: to say that death metal can't be redeemed or I

749
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: don't need Maybe there's people out there that are just

750
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really my cup of tea.

751
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: But start with changing the name, how about that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, dude,

752
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot of look at it this way. There's

753
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: a lot of fans of death metal music that are

754
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: not going to respond very well yep to nineteen nineties

755
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: worship music, you know, like the pop nineteen nineties pop

756
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: worship music. So if you're if you want to spread

757
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: the gospel then and you have a feeling a calling,

758
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: we could use it a calling we have. You have

759
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: an aspiration to get into death metal music, and you

760
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: could you want to even you want to change the

761
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: name of that, and then I think you could reach

762
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are in that community. Absolutely.

763
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a dark place if you listen to it.

764
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: Just the chord structures, the the tones that they use

765
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: in that style of music are very dark and heavy.

766
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: But Liam, if you're feeling drawn to that place, maybe

767
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: it's for a reason, and just take Jesus with you

768
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: because it's it's probably going to be a dark place.

769
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't see any reason why God

770
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: couldn't redeem. Maybe, like I said, maybe there is some

771
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: death metal artists that are using that particular style to

772
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: worship Him and we don't even know about it because

773
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: we're not into it. True, that's right, LIAMI could already

774
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: be happening. Find those people, connect with them, and y'all

775
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: do your thing.

776
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: Man. Next question subject line says marriage. Hey Granger, my

777
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: name is Matt, twenty years old from Iowa and my

778
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: girlfriend and I've been dating four and a half years.

779
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: I want to ask her to marry me, but I

780
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: don't know if now it's the best time. I own

781
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: my house and she wants to move in with me

782
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: when she's done with college. But I want to do

783
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: the right thing in the eyes of the Lord and

784
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: get married first. For most of our relationship, we had

785
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: a normal teenage relationship, doing what teens shouldn't do. We've

786
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: both been recently starting to get in depth with studying

787
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: the Bible, both together and separate within the last year.

788
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: Both together, oh, okay, and separate together and separate within

789
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: the last year. I love her dearly and I want

790
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of my life with her, and

791
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: I have a mariage and also have a marriage that

792
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: honors God. I just don't know what to do ask her,

793
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: but I don't know if we're both spiritually ready. I've

794
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: been praying about it, and I just want to get

795
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: your two cents on it. Thank you. Yeah, we can

796
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: knock this out in a few minutes. Yeah. What was

797
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: his name? Matt? Twenty years old from Iowa and been

798
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: dating this girl four and a half years.

799
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: And regardless of the past, Matt, I think it's awesome

800
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: where you are right now, and that, Yeah, that can

801
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: definitely be something that you focus on, like, hey, this

802
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: maybe we've you know, dated too long, or we did

803
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: this stuff in our dating or whatever. But if this

804
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: is where you are now that you're wanting to study

805
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: the Bible, you're wanting to glorify guy with your marriage,

806
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: that's an awesome place to be great, you know, questions

807
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: to be asking and.

808
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: And you're about to say, just ask her. Yeah, yeah, bro, sure,

809
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: there is no reason. There's absolutely no reason why you

810
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: should drag this out while she's going to move in

811
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: with you, while y'all going to find it the right

812
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: venue and the right dress, and you could do that

813
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: all that by asking her right now.

814
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just asked her right now. Whenever you said I

815
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: just don't know if I should ask her and then

816
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: you went into I own my house, I have that,

817
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: it's almost like you were You're thinking, those were the

818
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: prerequisites in order for me to get married, but it's not. Yeah,

819
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: it's not the prerequisite for you to ask her to marry.

820
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: You is being still and asking God, hey, is this

821
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: the woman? And then walking in that relationship, in that

822
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: relationship and you see healthy signs and then you just.

823
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: You just know she Lord? Do you love the Lord?

824
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: Does she love the Lord? That's it. That's two questions.

825
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: She loved the Lord? You love the Lord? Are you

826
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: spiritually ready? What does that even mean? Am I spiritually

827
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: ready to be married? Probably not? I don't think so. Like, yeah,

828
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you'll You'll never be spiritually ready, You'll

829
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: never be financially ready. And these same questions are going

830
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: to come back up when you're looking to have a baby.

831
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna come back to this podcast and

832
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: you go, hey, we've been married three years. We don't

833
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: know if we're ready to have a baby. How do

834
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: we know if we're ready to have a baby. So

835
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: then you're gonna keep asking those same kind of questions,

836
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 2: and so don't over spiritualize it. Does she love the Lord?

837
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: You love the Lord? You got a house paid for, bro?

838
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: Do it. The thing to not do is either do

839
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: it or break up with it. Really those are your

840
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: two options, because the thing to not do is drag

841
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: it out. She moves in, you know, just get comfortable,

842
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: get you know, you start getting comfortable in life without

843
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: that marriage, then what it's it? Values the marriage less

844
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: and less and so either do it or you don't.

845
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: But those are your only two options and your time

846
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: frame is now do it now. Yeah, that's it. It's

847
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: the end of the podcast. It's funny. I actually thought

848
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: the podcast was over before this last break, but then

849
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: we were very excited to have one more.

850
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: Bring Now it's the real deal though. Hey man, this

851
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: is a treat for me to sit and talk with

852
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: you and hear all y'all's questions out there. So thanks

853
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: for having me back.

854
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, bro, love all y'all. See you next Monday.

855
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on the Granger Smith Podcast. I

856
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: appreciate all of you. Guys. You could help me out

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