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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People who burn Down London.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me this week

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Speaker 2: is a person who probably hasn't burned down London, but

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Speaker 2: I haven't either, So who am I to talk shit?

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Speaker 2: It's Io, I Io, it's.

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Speaker 1: Me, and I refuse to say anything on this public forum,

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Speaker 1: but it's me, Io, and Hi, I'm io.

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Speaker 2: See this only works when there's crimes that have actually

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Speaker 2: happened that you can be like, I don't know anything about.

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Speaker 1: That crimes that have happened quote unquote, No I don't.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: I haven't the foggist.

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Speaker 2: The other person I don't have the foggiest idea of

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Speaker 2: how to introduce is Sophie.

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Speaker 1: The person who burned down Brighton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sophie, did you burn down Brighton? Wait, don't answer that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not answering that question. How dare you accuse me

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Speaker 2: of such a thing? The promise that it's like a

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Speaker 2: lot of people live in these places are very nice anyway,

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Speaker 2: whatever crass as a whole whole lot of songs about

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Speaker 2: exactly this idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never burn down the Santa Cruz of

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Speaker 1: England Brighton.

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Speaker 2: You can't blow up a social relation.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's too late to do the crass episode again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just do the crass episode again. Let me

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Speaker 2: just pull up that script. We'll just do the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm really invested in this one. This fucking rocks.

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Speaker 2: Oh you want to hear part two about Boudica and

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Speaker 2: the ic and I revolt of sixty one a d.

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Speaker 1: Please Margaret, please tell me about Buddhika and the revolt

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Speaker 1: and et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Well you can, but first we all have to say

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Speaker 2: hi to Eva, who's our audio engineer, hi Eva, hi Eva,

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Speaker 2: And our theme isic Go was written for us by

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Speaker 2: own woman. And in part one we took a big

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Speaker 2: picture look at the revolt of the ICNI. And now

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Speaker 2: I want to get into what's been written about it,

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Speaker 2: because I'm doing a different format than usual. Usually on

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Speaker 2: the show, the whole first half is basically context and

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Speaker 2: the whole second half is, you know, the actual event.

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Speaker 2: But this one, we did the whole event and a

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Speaker 2: lot of the context in part one, because there's just

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Speaker 2: honestly not that much written about this thing, right besides

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Speaker 2: like endless papers talking about how Tacitus may or may

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Speaker 2: not have meant this one thing when he said this

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Speaker 2: one thing or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I was a little thrown off when our hero died

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Speaker 1: at the end of the first episodes, like you're doing

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Speaker 1: a memento.

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Speaker 2: I know. But it turns out the shit that got

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Speaker 2: written about this shit is really interesting and really revealing.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's enough year, so I want to

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Speaker 2: get into what's been written about the Icni revolt. Tacitus

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Speaker 2: wrote about it kind of at the time, like forty

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Speaker 2: years later, but like his dad was around for a

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Speaker 2: lot of it and he was alive during it. And

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Speaker 2: then Cassius Dio wrote a lot more about it one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty years later. Both were writing soiliciously. The

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Speaker 2: genre of barbarian queen is so old. It is a

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Speaker 2: two thousand year old basically fiction genre, and that rules.

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Speaker 1: It still captures the imagination to this day.

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Speaker 2: I know I want to write the barbarian queen novels now.

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Speaker 2: I whatever, It'll be fine. I just have to live

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Speaker 2: long enough to do the shit. When I was younger,

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Speaker 2: my bucket list was like, go to Antarctica, and now

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Speaker 2: my bucket list is like, but I haven't written a

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Speaker 2: Barbarian Queen novel yet. I'm still working on my Witch trilogy.

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Speaker 1: But with the Witch's Friends, with the Barbarian.

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Speaker 2: Queen, it's got to be a separate book because it's

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Speaker 2: a totally different vibe. You know, it's got to be

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Speaker 2: like like chain mail bikini shit, which is basically the

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Speaker 2: way that people are writing about. Okay, well, I'll get

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, let's get into the selasity of it all.

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Speaker 2: And it's more solasitaeusists than it is propagandistic in the end,

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Speaker 2: modern historians, I did read all those papers about what

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Speaker 2: it testin to mean abot blah blah blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: and you know, people are like, all, this is pro

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Speaker 2: this is meant to be enticing and say certain things

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Speaker 1: Every admission is a confession whatever they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, whatever the Yeah, we're smart, we all know

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Speaker 1: We quote stuff all the time. I read books.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got I. Actually it's so funny because for years

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Speaker 2: for work, and then now I read them for fun.

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Speaker 1: This bitch reads. Let me tell you. Yeah, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: come jump our motorcycles over some cars. It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm reading the universe and I'm nutshell, I'm briefing his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I feel like my time jumping over cars,

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Speaker 2: burning cars and motorcycles will come back. It's going to

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Speaker 2: come back around your best user ahead of you. The

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Speaker 2: Roman people couldn't get enough of these barbarian queens, and

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Speaker 2: so by focusing on how women joined and ruling in warfare,

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Speaker 2: alike were plundered. Like prizes of war, the one by

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Speaker 2: his widow Budokai, was flogged and their daughters raped. The

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Speaker 2: own relatives were treated like slaves, and Tacitus wrote that

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Speaker 2: Bhudico said, quote, if you weigh well the strength of

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Speaker 2: you must conquer or die. This is a woman's resolve.

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Speaker 2: As for the men, they may live and be slaves.

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Speaker 1: This is the first direct quote we're getting from her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally made up, but like this is her battle

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Speaker 2: speech before everyone. It's part of her battle speech. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's almost certainly made up whole cloth, but it's like

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Speaker 1: getting into like the history I'm interested in is more

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Speaker 1: It's it's total like headcan and stuff, because the real

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Speaker 2: Some of the first Yeah that's what we wrote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stupid, boring bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you owe me fifty cows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy didn't make good copper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally bad yelp reviews.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we get to when people are talking about

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Speaker 1: barbarians and I'm sure that that you know, hit Roman

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Speaker 1: scum manifesto shit, like we're girls doing it for ourselves

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah about these strong women. It's like sometimes you

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Speaker 2: But like, no, you're right that that is the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like paging doctor Freud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And now Tacitus wrote about the battle, the big battle.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the story, he wrote, quote, our

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Speaker 2: It was like fucking cool. And then we like killed

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Speaker 1: Like they loved killing back then, Yeah, they love killing

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Speaker 2: But Cassius Dio wrote a whole lot more about what happened,

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Speaker 2: And when like pretty much the whole story is one source,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to read like this man knew how

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Speaker 2: to write a Barbarian queen adventure story. There are so

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Speaker 2: many battle speeches in this, and I love a battle speech,

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to I'm giving you the primary source here. Well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm locked in, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Dio wrote, A terrible disaster occurred in Britain. Two cities

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Speaker 2: and the island was lost to Rome. Moreover all, this

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Speaker 2: fact which in itself caused them the greatest shame. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: jargon mingled with laughter, and from the theater outcries and lamentations,

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Speaker 2: So it's like haunted, right, They like know that bad

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Speaker 2: shit's going to happen because they're haunted by like weird barbarians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in the theaters.

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Speaker 2: Houses were seen under the water in the River Thames,

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Speaker 2: and the ocean between the island and Gaul once grew

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Speaker 2: blood red at flood tide. An excuse for the war

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Speaker 2: Claudius had given to the foremost Britons. For these sums,

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Speaker 2: to be paid back. This was one reason for the uprising.

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Speaker 2: Another was found in the fact that Seneca, in the

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Speaker 2: hope of receiving a good rate of interest, had lent

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Speaker 2: and resorted to severe measures and exacting it like I

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Speaker 2: love that. He's just like straight up like ah. And

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Speaker 2: then we loaned them forty million rome bucks. But they

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Speaker 1: But we gave them money and they still wanted to

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Speaker 2: Cool like this, right yeah, and like genuinely like this

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Speaker 1: She fucking Jesus. Wow. That's like every so often, like

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm making patch.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if there were people in like the lowlands

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Speaker 1: What does influence everything? Margaret?

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Speaker 2: Tell me right now, whatever the next ad is, it

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Speaker 2: Actually that's probably not true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And in that we did not deal with them

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Speaker 2: how to secure gain. That's right, however, even at this

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Speaker 2: that we may leave to our children not only its

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like shit that Bobby Sands was yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know. I read this whole long ass academic paper

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Speaker 2: and they're not very accurate. Like someone from Britain would

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Speaker 1: It is like very interesting to think, like how far

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Speaker 2: Okay, so no, so okay, So that was Tacitus was

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Speaker 1: That also tells quite a tale of like maybe how

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Speaker 2: But he also this is the man who does the

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Speaker 1: This is why, yeah, good times create soft man exactly.

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Speaker 2: Have no fear whatever of the Romans, for they are

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Speaker 2: And here is the proof. They have protected themselves with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and further provided themselves with palisades and walls and

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Speaker 2: they shut themselves up as in a trap. But these

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00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: are not the only respects in which they are vastly

437
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: inferior to us. There is also the fact that they

438
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: cannot bear up under hunger, thirst, cold, or heat as

439
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: we can. They require shade and covering. They require kneaded

440
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: bread and wine and oil, and if any of these

441
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: things fails them, they perish. For us. On the other hand,

442
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: any grass or roots serves as bread. This is what

443
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: I was saying. They're just like, we eat dirt.

444
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: Fucking yeah, we eat dirt. This is our land. I

445
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 1: know this dirt better than you do. You fucking cowered,

446
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: you fucking nerd, you dorks. Yeah, you gotta have your

447
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: Oh I need my bread leavened. I need it at

448
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: a perfect temperature and with some Yeah me, I'm gonna

449
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: go eat some leaves.

450
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually, the juice of any plant as oil,

451
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: any water as wine, any tree as a house. I

452
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: like that one.

453
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that rocks. Eco anarchists get on this.

454
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, Like, yeah, be a different kind

455
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: of weird, fucked up yeah, but a very appealing one.

456
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: It's waiting there for you, Sam Cruse.

457
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: Furthermore, this region is familiar to us and is our

458
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: ally but to them it is unknown and hostile. As

459
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: for the rivers, we swim them naked, whereas they do

460
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: not accross them easily even with boats. Let us therefore

461
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: go against them, trusting boldly to good fortune. Let us

462
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: show them that they are hares and foxes trying to

463
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: rule over dogs and wolves.

464
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: Whoa bitchin that rocks? He's got it? This would like

465
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: if I heard this and I was in one of

466
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: the colonies, I would be like this bouta isn't making

467
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: some sense?

468
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: I know? Yeah, Like, ah, maybe I'm gonna go paint

469
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: myself blue. See what's up.

470
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: I might be a wolf and I might have to

471
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: go blue, and I might have to get on some

472
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: maroon shit and wait for them in the swamps.

473
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, realize that women can lead.

474
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

475
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: When she had finished speaking, she employed a species of divination,

476
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: letting a hare escape from the fold of her dress

477
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: like an animal hair, and since it ran on what

478
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: they considered the auspicious side, the whole multitude shouted with pleasure,

479
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: and Boudica, raising her hand toward heaven, said, I thank

480
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: thee andraste, and call upon thee as women speaking to woman,

481
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: for I rule over no bird in bearing Egyptians as

482
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: did Nitocris, nor over trafficking Assyrians as did Semaramas. These

483
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: are other women leaders, But I don't know what's being

484
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: referenced here besides that, for we have by now gained

485
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: us much learning from the Romans, which is him being like,

486
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: this is why this lady knows this shit.

487
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Speaker 1: This is how she discovered feminism because of her shining

488
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: the influence, and she would have never known. I mean

489
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: she probably yeah, yeah, it just comes naturally to be like, actually,

490
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: fuck these guys.

491
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: Wait, but wait, we're gonna get to the good shit.

492
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: Oh here we go much less over the Romans themselves,

493
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: as did Messina once and afterwards Agripana and now which

494
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: are two women leaders. And now Nero, who, though in

495
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: a name of man, is in fact a woman, as

496
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Speaker 2: is proved by his singing lyre plane and beautification of

497
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Speaker 2: his person.

498
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: Kind of making Nero sound cool.

499
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 2: I know it just you're like, all of a sudden,

500
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh gosh, this deo doesn't like Nero.

501
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: Oh oh all right, yeah, it's presenting like the strongest,

502
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: most bad, like a Ripley of two thousand years ago,

503
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: and suddenly it's just like and you know why she's

504
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: fucked up because she's in the same lane as Nero,

505
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: but cooler than Nero. Wouldn't it be cool if we

506
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: had an effeminate war lord?

507
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, nay. Those over whom I rule are Britons, men

508
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: that know not how to till the soil or apply

509
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: a trade, but are thoroughly versed in the art of war,

510
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: and hold all things in common, even children and wives,

511
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: so that the latter possess the same valor as men

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: as the Queen. Then of such men and such women,

513
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: I supplicate and pray THEE for victory, preservation of life,

514
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: and liberty against men insolent, unjust, insatiable, impious, if indeed

515
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: we ought to term those people men who bathe in

516
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: warm water, eat artificial dainties, drink unmixed wine, annoint themselves

517
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: with mer sleep on soft couches with boys for bedfellows,

518
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: boys pass their prime at that.

519
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: Oh God, wow, I was a lot to take in.

520
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: Here is the thing. Women be one shopping two always

521
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: into comfort something men historically and forever like. And the

522
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: boys I just can't with because it's.

523
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Like, come on, they sleep with adult men Unlike it'd

524
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: be perfectly reasonable and not gay for them to sleep

525
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: with children. You fucking hate I hate this man so much.

526
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: You know, it really drew me in, and it got

527
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: my ass because now at the eleventh hour in this quote,

528
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, oh, oh, no.

529
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: I know, I don't agree. It's so messy. It's so messy,

530
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: and our slaves to a liar player, and a poor

531
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: one at that, like Nero doesn't even know how to

532
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: play liar right, even.

533
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Play steroid Evan. When Rome was burning it sounded like shit.

534
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, wherefore may this mistress demshia Nero basically being like

535
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: this fucking lady, Nero, rain no longer over me or

536
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: over you. Men. Let the wench sing and lord it

537
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: over Romans, for surely they deserve to be the slaves

538
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: of such a woman, after having submitted to her for

539
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: so long. But for us, Mistress, be thou alone ever

540
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: our leader, the goddess that she's talking about, having finished

541
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: an appeal to her people of this general Tenor Boudica

542
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 2: led her army against the Romans. For these chances to

543
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: be without a leader. Inasmuch as Paulinus, their commander, had

544
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: gone on an expedition to Mona an island near Britain.

545
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: Basically what happened is that part of the reason this

546
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: revolt happened, and we don't know whether it was coordinated

547
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: or not, but it's actually very likely. Mona is one

548
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: of the last strongholds of the Druids, and the Romans

549
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: are off to go fuck it up and like burn

550
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: down all the sacred groves and shit, and so while

551
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: the Roman army is away is when they launched their uprising.

552
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: This enabled her to sack and plunder two Roman cities

553
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: and as I have said, to wreak indescribable slaughter. Those

554
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: who were taken captive by the Britons, Oh, I'm gonna

555
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: say some grosshit, but this is the like now we're

556
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna get barbarian on this shit. Those who were taken

557
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: captive by the written were subjected to every known form

558
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: of outrage. The worst and most bestial atrocity committed by

559
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: their captors was the following. They hung up naked the

560
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: noblest and most distinguished women and then cut off their

561
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: breasts and sewed them to their mouths in order to

562
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: make the victims appear to be eating them. Goodness, that's

563
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: no good, No, it really isn't. Afterwards, they impaled the

564
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: women on sharp skewers, run lengthwise through the entire body.

565
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: All this they did on the accompaniment of sacrifices, banquets,

566
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: and wanton behavior, not only in all their other sacred places,

567
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: but particularly in the grove of Andante. This was their

568
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: name for victory, and they regarded her with the most

569
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: exceptional reverence. So like, there's no evidence of this, right,

570
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: But there's also like I don't I mean, there's like

571
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: no evidence against this. Yeah, it's it's the how evil

572
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: is the past? How spooky are these motherfuckers?

573
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't need heroes to be perfect.

574
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: No, it's like I don't even have a dog in

575
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: the fight, because it's like either either the passes metalist

576
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: fuck And that's interesting. More, it didn't happen, and that's

577
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: better for the people who were strung up, you know.

578
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie The Northmen. When that came out, huh.

579
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I went with some people who knew quite a lot

580
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: about history, who were fucking hyped about it because it

581
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: was like it shows that morality back then was a

582
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: completely you're immersed in the immorality. The hero is a

583
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: lunatic murderer, berserker.

584
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: He's a berserker. Yeah, he's a fighter. Yeah yeah, and

585
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: like which might not have been a real thing. It

586
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: probably was, but it might not have been.

587
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Probably was, but who knows. Like history is just a

588
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: tale that you can tell yourself unless you're combing through receipts. Yeah, totally,

589
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: who cares about receipts.

590
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: And I really like the It's like, okay, so Cassius

591
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: Dio really wants them to have been this because one,

592
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: it's sillacious, it's it's interesting, right, it's good entertainment. But

593
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: we just don't know. But that what's interesting. I found

594
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: this article. It's probably not sourced. I probably didn't include

595
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: this of my sources because I was like, this is

596
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: some dumb shit where like modern pro rome stands like

597
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: still say shit, Like it's the same kind of people

598
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: who will be like, it's good that the Catholics conquered

599
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: Mexico because they killed all the Aztecs, right, because the

600
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Aztecs were sacrificing people, So that's good that we killed

601
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: all of them, you know, and civilized them. So you'll

602
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: find this like article that's like, you know, Boutica isn't

603
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: actually a feminist hero because she did all this shit,

604
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: and like most people are like, yeah, but she probably

605
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: didn't do this shit. Like, if I had to bet,

606
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: I would say this is made up whole cloth, this

607
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: particular part of it, partly because there's just like not

608
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: really archaeological evidence of mass slaughter.

609
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm quite like fifty to fifty on

610
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: it where it's just like none of that is something

611
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, good they did any of this, but

612
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: it is like, yeah, they're like they got rid of

613
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: the Aztecs, and really what they did was getting rid

614
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: of people who did what is the death penalty but

615
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: a human sacrifice towards state. Like it's people who had

616
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: a bit of theater, who had a bit of fucking

617
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: pageantry about their human sacrifices that were horrifying public spectacles, nightmarish,

618
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: but like.

619
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a completely different moral world than our current world. Yeah,

620
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean it was immoral. It was to

621
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: a different morality.

622
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: And our current moral world is not so much different

623
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: than that. It's just, for lack of a better term,

624
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: like boring, let's theatrical. We have institutionalized, we have like

625
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: locked up the human sacrifices the like there's more suffering

626
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: or a lateral move suffering.

627
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: You can look at this really clearly, right, because like

628
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: when Caesar conquers gall he's like, oh, thank god, we

629
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: stop those druids from sacrificing people, and then kills somewhere

630
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: between and the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands

631
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: of people or millions of people and enslaves an equal number.

632
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, you would have to sacrifice so many people.

633
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: Institutionalized slaughter is worse than individual murder, yeah, you know,

634
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: And so that's what they bring. That's what Rome is.

635
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Rome is institution, yes, and to the institution, to the church,

636
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: to whatever, whether they you know, you're killing somebody according

637
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: to the Romans, to appease a sort of God, or

638
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, just for your own sort of you've been conquered,

639
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: you got some beef. I don't support the guillotine imagery, etcetera, etcetera,

640
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's a different conversation. But we get to

641
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: a point where it's just like the difference is in

642
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: how much of it is happening or the scale of suffering. Really,

643
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's the present.

644
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: I actually think the scale of suffering goes up with

645
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: the institutional practice. But I agree with this overall point.

646
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: But do you know what is institutional?

647
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: You know what's suffering.

648
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Anyone who doesn't buy these things. These things will alleviate

649
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: your suffering. If there's an emptiness inside you, fill it

650
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: with stuff. That's what they always say. Get stuffed, fill

651
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: your holes.

652
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Get stuff, fill your holes. Like what Margaret said.

653
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: Uh, here's ads, and we're back okay, and we're back

654
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: into the cashiers Dio description of Buddha's revolt. Now, it

655
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: chanced that Paulinis had already brought Mona to terms the island,

656
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: and so on learning of the disaster in Britain, he

657
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: sailed thither from Mona. However, he was not willing to

658
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: risk a conflict with the barbarians immediately, as he feared

659
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: their numbers and their desperation, but was inclined to postpone

660
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: battle to a more convenient season. This is the like

661
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: ditching London part. But as he grew short on food

662
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: and the barbarians pressed relentlessly upon him, he was compelled,

663
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: contrary to his judgment, to engage them. Boudica, at the

664
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: head of an army of two hundred and thirty thousand men,

665
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: which is like twice what we said before, rode in

666
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: a chariot herself, even though they had actually moved on

667
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: from chariots and were using cavalry at this point, and

668
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: assigned others to their several stations. Paulinis could not extend

669
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: his line the whole length of hers, for even if

670
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: the men had been drawn up only one deep, they

671
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: would have not reached far enough. So inferior were they

672
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: in numbers. Nor, on the other hand, did he dare

673
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: join battle in a single compact force, for fear of

674
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: being surrounded and cut to pieces. He therefore separated his

675
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: army into three divisions in order to fight them at

676
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: several points at one and the same time. And he

677
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: made each of the divisions so strong that it could

678
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: not easily be broken through. And gonna give three battle speeches.

679
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: This fucking author loves battle speeches. I might end up

680
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: abridging some. We'll see.

681
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: Were they just like guys, I'm so this is so scary,

682
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be cut to pieces. You go there, you

683
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: go over there.

684
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Oh this is he exhorts his men. While ordering and

685
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: arranging his men, he also exhorted them, saying up fellow

686
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: soldiers up romans, show these accursed wretches how far we

687
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: surpassed them, even in the midst of evil fortune. It

688
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: would be shameful, indeed, for you to lose ingloriously. Now,

689
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: what but a short time ago you won by your

690
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: valor many a time assuredly have both we, ourselves and

691
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: our fathers, with far fewer numbers than we have at present,

692
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: conquered far more numerous antagonists. Fear not than their numbers

693
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: or their spirit of rebellion, for their boldness rests on

694
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: nothing more than headlong rashness, unaided by arms or training.

695
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: Neither fear them because they have burned a couple of cities,

696
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: For they did not capture them by force nor after

697
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: a battle, but one was betrayed and the others abandoned

698
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: to them. Exact from them now, therefore the proper penalty

699
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: for these deeds, and let them learn by actual experience

700
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: the difference between us whom they have wronged, and themselves. Yeah,

701
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: he's a.

702
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Victim, this fucking guy.

703
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: The reason that I was so interested in this and like, wow,

704
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna do this whole fucking thing.

705
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: This is the modern fascist.

706
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

707
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: This is the like we're so strong, but they were

708
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: mean to us, even though we're better than them.

709
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? We're mean to them and we're

710
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: doing everything we can to ruin their lives, and they

711
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: just don't see that they deserve it, and they should

712
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: integrate themselves into us. Yeah, exactly, the audacity of this Boudhica,

713
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: the audacity of these blue spiral people.

714
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: I know. After addressing these words to one division, he

715
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 2: came to another, and he said, now is the time,

716
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: fellow soldiers, Now is the time for daring for Rhodesia. No,

717
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: for if you show yourselves brave men today, you will

718
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: recover all that you have lost. If you overcome these foes,

719
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: no one else will any longer withstand us. By one

720
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: such battle, you will both make your present possession secure

721
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: and subdue whatever remains. For everywhere our soldiers, even though

722
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: they are in other lands, will emulate you, and foes

723
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: will be terror stricken. Therefore, since you have it within

724
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: your power, either to rule all mankind without a fear,

725
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: both the nations that your father's left to you and

726
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: those that you yourselves have gained an addition, or else

727
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: be deprived of them altogether, choose to be free to rule,

728
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: to live in wealth, and to enjoy prosperity, rather than

729
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: by avoiding the effort to suffer the opposite of all

730
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: of this. Whoa, oh my god, he it yeah yeah exactly.

731
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: Just comes out and says like the fascist crust crout

732
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: boys shit, yes, yeah, and grave that upon a bunch

733
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: of piss boy's graves.

734
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. After making an address of this sort to these men,

735
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: he went on to the third division. I think literally

736
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: the reason that this author was like, I'm gonna cut

737
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: up in three divisions is he wanted to give three

738
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: battle speeches, which should be fair is one of the

739
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: most fun things to write.

740
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: I would too. I kind of specialize in slogan earring,

741
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: which is, I know, a smaller battle speech.

742
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: And what's funny though, is that, like the battle speeches

743
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: probably didn't happen historically because you kind of can't talk

744
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: to one hundred thousand people in like fifty one sixty

745
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: one ad like, you just kind of can't. There's not

746
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: a method by which you would do it. You'd have

747
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: to fucking people's microphone that shit, and no one wants that.

748
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: No one wants the people's microphone. But wouldn't that be funny.

749
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: Mike check, Mic check and going down. Every time I

750
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: read loard of the Rings, I'm like, fuck, this rules, Bud.

751
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: He's so running his horse along this line of men.

752
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: It's got to be like death. Yeah, and you're like, what,

753
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: what the fuck? I was getting some.

754
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: Hype I'd die, which is funny because it's one of

755
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: the best battle speeches, both the Tolkien version and well

756
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: all three versions. The movie version is good, the Tolken

757
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: version is good, and then the original, which is I

758
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: think norse win time Wolf time.

759
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.

760
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's totally cribbed and it's a really good speech.

761
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: All of the versions are good. We use the original

762
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: one as lyrics and a feminosical song once. Anyway, okay,

763
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: third battle speech. You have heard what outrages these damnable

764
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: men have committed against us, Nay more, you have even

765
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: witnessed some of them. Choose then, whether you wish to

766
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: suffer the same treatment yourselves as our comrades have suffered,

767
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: and to be driven out of Britain entirely besides or

768
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: else by conquering to avenge those that have perished, and

769
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: at the same time furnish the rest of mankind and example,

770
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: not only of benevolent clemency towards the obedient, but also

771
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: the inevitable severity towards the rebellious. For my part, I

772
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: hope above all that victory will be ours. First, because

773
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: the gods are our allies, for they almost always side

774
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: with those who have been wronged. I love it. I

775
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: just love that we're the wronged ones.

776
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's what the gods are. I'm always saying this

777
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: about the gods.

778
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they totally care about us. Absolutely all.

779
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: You must do a cursory glance at the Odyssey. Yeah, wait,

780
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: was this Christian Rome by this point?

781
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: No, this is Pagan rom still Yeah, more so, Yeah, totally. Second,

782
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: because of the courage that is our heritage, since we

783
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: are Romans and have triumphed over all mankind by our valor. Next,

784
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: because our experience, for we have defeated and subdued these

785
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: very men who are now arrayed against us. And lastly,

786
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: because of our prestige, for those with whom we are

787
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: about to engage are not antagonists but our slaves, whom

788
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: we conquered even when they were free and independent. Yet,

789
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: if the outcome should prove contrary to our hope, For

790
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: I will not shrink from mentioning even the possibility it

791
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: would be better for us to fall fighting bravely than

792
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: to be captured and impaled, to look upon our own

793
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: entrails cut from our bodies, to be spitted on red

794
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: hot skewers, to perish by being melted and boiling water.

795
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Like now, I'm kind of okay with all that shit.

796
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: You are selling this. You're really bringing work to it.

797
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine this guy had a voice that

798
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: wasn't a Ben Shapiro type. And get our entrails out,

799
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: and if they put in some boiling water, I'll be like,

800
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: that's fine, I don't care.

801
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: I love pain, in a word, to suffer, as though

802
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: we have been thrown to lawless and impious wild beasts.

803
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Let us therefore either conquer them or die on the spot.

804
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Britain will be ye a noble monument for us, even

805
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: though all the other romans here should be driven out,

806
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: For in any case, our bodies shall forever possess this land.

807
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: After addressing these and like words to them, he raised

808
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: the signal for battle. Thereupon the armies approached each other

809
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: the barbarians with much shouting mingled with menacing battle songs,

810
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: but the Romans silently and in order until they came

811
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: within a javelin's throw the enemy. Then, while their foes

812
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: were still advancing against them at a walk, the Romans

813
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: rushed forward at a signal and charged them at full speed,

814
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: and when the clash came, easily broke through the opposing ranks.

815
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: But as they were surrounded by the great numbers of

816
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: the enemy, they had to be fighting everywhere at once.

817
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: Their struggle took many forms. Light armored troops exchanged missiles

818
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: with light armed. Heavily armed were opposed to heavy armed cavalry,

819
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: clashed with cavalry and against the chariots of the barbarians.

820
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: The Roman archers contended. The Barbarians would assail the Romans

821
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: with a rush of their chariots them helter skelter, but

822
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: since they fought with breastplates, would themselves be repulsed by

823
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: the arrows. Horsemen would overthrow foot soldiers, and foot soldiers

824
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: strike down the horsemen. A group of Romans forming in

825
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: close order, would advance and meet the chariots, and others

826
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: would be scattered by them. A band of Britons would

827
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: come to close quarters with the archers and rout them,

828
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: while others were content to dodge their shafts at a distance.

829
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: And all this was going on not only at one

830
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: spot only, but in all three divisions at once. They

831
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: contended for a long time, both parties being animated by

832
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 2: the same zeal and daring. But finally, late in the day,

833
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: the Romans prevailed, and they slew many in battle beside

834
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: the wagons and the forest, and captured many alike. Nevertheless,

835
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: not a few made their escape and were preparing to

836
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: fight again. In the meantime, however, Bruduka fell sick and died.

837
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: The Britons mourned her deeply and gave her a costly burial,

838
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: but feeling that now at last they were really defeated,

839
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: they scattered to their homes and like literally that section

840
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: ends with him being like thus ended the trouble in

841
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: Britain anyway over here and now it was.

842
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Roman Britain, and we loved it.

843
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: It's like sword and sorcery fiction.

844
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I do love it when they describe projectiles as missiles,

845
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, what am I gonna do? Not imagine

846
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: a magic missile? And I will say I'm a big

847
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: fan of hardcore history, and wow, you've chosen some really

848
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: bitching quotes that no shade to whatever that guy's name is,

849
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, you're crushing it.

850
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: Better, Thank you. I take them the high honor. Dan

851
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: Carlin is one of my favorite podcasters.

852
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: Dan Carlin really crushes it. But you found some really.

853
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I was honored that we had what between like two

854
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: commercial breaks, just like quote after quote of just like

855
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: probably stuff that never happened. But I'm like riveted. I

856
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: keep forgetting to like comments because I'm like, fuck, this rocks.

857
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: It's interesting too write, because like the description of this

858
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: battle versus the Last Battle Tacitus was like yeah, and

859
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: then we killed like eighty thousand of them and like

860
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: only four hundred of our dudes got rocked, well killed.

861
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: About a billion of them. No, that was before breakfast.

862
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ran away and they said.

863
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh please please please, Oh we're so sorry.

864
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: And this one is instead like no, we fought all day.

865
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: It was tooth and you know it was like, yeah

866
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: it was.

867
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: And I love that he made sure to be like no,

868
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: and we took like the all of our equally matched

869
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: people were against their equally matched people, and we won

870
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: against the peasant mud farmers, and.

871
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: It's like you could tell that he kind of likes

872
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: both sides, but his side is better, you know, because

873
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: they're being the real tough guys.

874
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: That's a deep thing about fascism, like where they kind

875
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: of want to have the barbarian spirit, but they want

876
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: to have the civilized mind of the barbarian.

877
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: They want to eat milk and flesh, but actually they're

878
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: pols are based on grain, and I say, this is

879
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: a vegan To be really clear, I am not trying

880
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: to be like, ah, effeminate people who don't eat milk

881
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: and flesh, you know, no.

882
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: But that's a good way of especially because they have

883
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: this like weird fetish about meat and milk. I don't

884
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: know if the Proud Boys are still on milk, but

885
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: that was a weird time out in the streets in

886
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to see them just drinking milk freely amongst

887
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: each other. It's just like, I mean, it was a

888
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: little like when they were trying to you know, conguer Scotland,

889
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: where they would like go into war naked. It's just like,

890
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? A little bit like

891
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: seeing them I always drink milk is like, what are

892
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: you this going on? Are you drinking fermented mare's milk?

893
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: And you're just gonna go fucking perserk on us, Like, no,

894
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: they were just doing some like psycho stuff that I.

895
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just tucking hazeing and shit.

896
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I figured out what it was up to,

897
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's neuro.

898
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: No, they're not being as cool as they wish they were. Okay,

899
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: So this big fire, old battle that possibly hundreds of

900
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: thousands of people were involved in never been found. No

901
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: one knows where this was. There's like hundreds of places

902
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: it could have been. Also, Boudica's tomb, who was like

903
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: buried and richly or whatever, never been found. But now

904
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: I promised you I was going to go wild out

905
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: on a limb about gender.

906
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Let's go, Yes, here we go a Strappan audience.

907
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, a grave site from yeoldie Roman Britain

908
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: was uncovered in Gloucester, Gloster. The tombstone said Bodicia or Bodikia.

909
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: It said Bodica but just spelled different. But literally, her

910
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: name is spelled different in every single account anyway. Not

911
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: a written culture.

912
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: We love an incomprehensible queen.

913
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: So they dig up this tomb of Boudica twenty fifteen,

914
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: but the skeleton in the grave was male, yes, all right,

915
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: So everyone is like, couldn't be her? Fuck yeah no,

916
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: and they just literally just moved on. They were like, well,

917
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: that's not her, so I guess we haven't found her.

918
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: It's not as if Pagan gender dynamics were far more fluid,

919
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: and this fucking boot liquor king could have been married

920
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: to somebody and somebody else produced the children and they

921
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: just marry them.

922
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: Yep.

923
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if that's true, but I'm not

924
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: a historian. Fuck you, that's what I believe. And you

925
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: believe it now too, by merit of listening to me.

926
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and like there's no particular reason to believe it.

927
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: But I also don't know if Budica was a boy's

928
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: given name or not, and like I've only seen it

929
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: as a woman's given name. Also, like everyone's describing her

930
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: as this very tall woman with a like particularly interesting voice.

931
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: Tall girls with an interesting voice.

932
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna go out on the furthest limb possible.

933
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: And this is like almost more just like a magical level,

934
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: a synchronicity level. The reason I found out about Boudica

935
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: is talking about the Galley last week, and the galley

936
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: where the trans priestess is of ancient Roman who worshiped

937
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: the cult of Sibylly, and the galley had a specific

938
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: poetry meter, Galliambic meter, that was a specific like way

939
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: of balancing syllables and shit, a poem that was only

940
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: used by these trans priestesses for their goddess. Right, It's

941
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: called Galliambic meter. And the one English poem I could

942
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: find written in Galliambic meter is a Tennyson poem aha

943
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: about Boutika.

944
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, this rocks, so wow. I'm going back to

945
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: Greece in a month, and every trans person I hang

946
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: out with their has probably mentioned this. But it's just

947
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: like in America, you know, we trans people, We've got

948
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: all kinds of different naming conventions for what we like

949
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: to choose. There, they really do like to crib from

950
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: their mythology because it rocks. A lot of anarchists there

951
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: are just like no that represents nationalism, and a lot

952
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: of people are sort of reclaiming it a little bit. Yeah,

953
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring that up and I'm going to

954
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: look like I'm going to look so cool. Thank you

955
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: for bringing that to me.

956
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, the trans cult was absolutely in

957
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: Greece as well as Rome Sibylly's cult, although it is

958
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: Magna Matar. It's different in different countries in different times

959
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: since the name of the specific goddess and it comes

960
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: from Anatolia immediately over the sea, like Turkey. Basically, yeah, yeah, yeah,

961
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: they started getting ostracized once they were in Greece, like

962
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: the Trans cult, and they were still an important, powerful

963
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: part of like society, but then like no one would

964
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: fuck with them. They were like kind of untouchable. And

965
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: it's like interesting too, Rite because like Rome is so

966
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: confused by warrior women that they made up the Amazons.

967
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: Probably I said this last week too, probably as a

968
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: representation of the fact that the Step people who kept

969
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: kicking their asses to the east had a lot of

970
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: warrior queens and warrior women, and so they were like,

971
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: what women are fighting? These are a whole weird mythical

972
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: creature women who fight.

973
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Where's the factory where they make this?

974
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: And so Boudica. There is literally no archaeological evidence that

975
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: Buddhica existed except possibly this skeleton of a man male whatever,

976
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 2: and so I was kind of like, at the last minute,

977
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: I was like, why is everyone writing about her? Like

978
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: she's real? Her name means Victory, which happens to be

979
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: the name that all the Romans name their fucking gods

980
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: of victory. Like this feels too on the nose, But

981
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: the overall rough consensus from historians is that Budica is

982
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: a historical figure. And to summarize why, there's a historian

983
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: Barry Cunleaf, who I think doesn't like Barry Cunleaf is

984
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: probably alive. I'm gonna be careful of how I phrased this.

985
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: I read Barry Cunnleaf's book on druids and it didn't

986
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: mention the fact that women were druids, and it barely

987
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 2: mentioned women at all, and it like you, And partly

988
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: it's because like there wasn't like specific Roman sources being

989
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: like there were women druids, but instead there was just

990
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: a fuck ton of people doing druid things that happened

991
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: to be women.

992
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: Do some real history, Barry, that's me saying it, not Margaret.

993
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And so Barry cunleief I don't think is

994
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: biased towards believing in women. Is the way I will

995
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: phrase it.

996
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: I've always said they don't exist. I've seen a woman.

997
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: Show me a woman. I don't even know what one is.

998
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: What is a woman? I don't know.

999
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: Barry Cunleif believes that Buddhka is real and was a

1000
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: warrior queen and all that shit. To quote historian Barry

1001
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: Cunnleaf quote, it just wasn't the sort of thing Romans

1002
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: did to invent characters. It doesn't fit at all with

1003
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: what we know about Roman historical writing. And so that's

1004
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: kind of the primary argument about why Budhka is real,

1005
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: is it they would propagandize shit, but they kind of

1006
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: just didn't invent dudes, whole cloth or ladies.

1007
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: That is a like, yeah, I would. I would sort

1008
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: of assume that maybe they made somebody up maybe, but

1009
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: like I kind of trust him. Yeah, where that's concerned.

1010
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: At the very least, Fantastitas was alive when this happened,

1011
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: and his dad was like one of the governors.

1012
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like there's plenty of evidence of warrior queens

1013
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: out there, oh yeah, especially among the like Dagan tribes

1014
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: that they were like yeah, fucking with among the Gauls,

1015
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Like they were all over the fucking place. Like, there's

1016
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: really no reason to question it.

1017
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: There's a chance that she was like either already a

1018
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: queen or just some fucking nobody who was like, I'm

1019
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: a warrior queen now, and they were like, what's your name?

1020
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: She was like, my name is fucking Victory. Let's fucking go.

1021
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1022
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: And so if it's like a CONTI trans woman's name,

1023
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: I'm like eight times here for it.

1024
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go ahead and just think that.

1025
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just headcan and that shit. Yeah, that's what's so

1026
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: fascinating about doing ancient history versus like mostly I do

1027
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: kind of recent ish history by my standards, where I

1028
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: constantly think that the nineteenth century is more important than

1029
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: the twenty first century because my brain is broken. But

1030
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: it's impossible to do the ancient shit without head cannoning everything,

1031
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: because you can't tell a story without playing connect the dots,

1032
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: and you can connect the dots so many ways.

1033
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: It's where the original hero's journey came from. And it's like,

1034
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: fucking before patriarchy laid itself flat across like most of

1035
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: the globe, some interesting shit was happening, and it was

1036
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: from people who didn't concern themselves with being remembered in

1037
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: this narcissistic way that people who were concerned with empires did. Yeah,

1038
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, history's written by the winners anyway, how how

1039
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: much more true is the stuff that was recorded rather

1040
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: than the stuff that we're kind of like picking up.

1041
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: And actually, the thing that you talked about, I was

1042
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: really struck earlier in the first episode. You talked about

1043
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: being like, oh, this oral culture didn't care about legacy

1044
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: in a permanent way, the way that these like I

1045
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: must write my name on everything people were that really

1046
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: stuck with me. And I think it's less that history

1047
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: is written by the winners. History is written by the writers.

1048
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: And I think about like even like and again, I'm

1049
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: just going to throw in, like why I haven't talked

1050
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: shit on Marx this entire episode. The fact that like

1051
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: Marx kind of took over the First International, or rather

1052
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: Marxism became a dominant ideology within it was because he

1053
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: was the guy who showed up and took notes Like.

1054
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: God damn, you're right, quite right. Bakunan was in there

1055
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: arguing Marx was in his book may be writing.

1056
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, history is written by the writers. That's my pithy slogan.

1057
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean it is why, like and I do like

1058
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: defer a lot to like Marxist analysis of history, but

1059
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: like because they Marxist analysis of history.

1060
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, So that's the story of Budica. And it's

1061
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: so funny that she's like literally people loved her partly

1062
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: because like her name means victory and Queen Victoria's name

1063
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: means victory. Fuck. Yeah, British pride as if it wasn't

1064
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: like clearly this anti colonial struggle, Like clearly you're the

1065
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: Rome in this story.

1066
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: But to Rome. Yeah, like Britain is very like one

1067
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: to one is sort of just like oh a fucking pale,

1068
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: sickly imitation of the Roman Empire.

1069
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas they used to fucking live off a dirt, used.

1070
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: To be able to eat dirt and burn down London

1071
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: look at you.

1072
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Speaker 2: Yeah, set people in Wickerman's and be like, don't come

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Speaker 2: investigating crimes in our town.

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Speaker 1: Cop, You're not even a peaky blinders. Now that's a

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Speaker 1: Scottish island. I don't even put them into Britain. Scotland

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Speaker 1: you're off the hook. Whales, you're off the hook. Ireland,

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Speaker 1: of course you're off the hook. Yeah, you're on notice

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Speaker 1: you already got rid of Prince Andrew the rest. It's

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Speaker 1: up to you.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's the end of our episode. You guys

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Speaker 2: think you want to plug.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the Internet. I guess I'm on Blue

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Speaker 1: Sky and Instagram at Bumlung. Maybe Blue Sky's citizen Io

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Speaker 1: I forget, but go ahead and look for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the Are you talking about the fact that

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Speaker 2: we're doing a six part table top adventure called Donna

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Speaker 2: Frogs with Jason Bowman, who's basically the pathfinder man.

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Speaker 1: Mister Pathfinder.

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Speaker 2: All of your favorite podcasters are on it, Well, not

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Speaker 2: all of them, but many of them are on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have Scott Ackerman or Paul F. Tompkins yet,

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Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. Listen and maybe we'll do more. I want

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Speaker 1: to do more. Please listen to it. I do the spectacle. Also, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got comics, I got writings. I probably got a

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Speaker 1: Patreon I do. I just rediscovered I have a Patreon.

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Speaker 2: Oh congrats, thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it took some Internet digging to remember that it

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Speaker 1: was pre pandemic times.

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Speaker 2: I have. I'm on the internet, Markyo Kiljoy. I have

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Speaker 2: a substack. I often talk about kind of things like

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Speaker 2: what I talk about in this Like my recent post,

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Speaker 2: all the posts that kind of matter are free on

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Speaker 2: that you don't have to pay me for it. But

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Speaker 2: if you want to do the weird parasocial thing where

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Speaker 2: you hear more about like my personal stuff, I also

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Speaker 2: post those behind a paywall, but I have like posts

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Speaker 2: like how metal is the Past, where it's just me

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Speaker 2: trying to figure this shit out because no one knows

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Speaker 2: and it confuses me.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff after dark

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Speaker 1: on Margaret's substaff.

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Speaker 2: Zobey, I think you want to plug cool Zone Media

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