1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: I never told you a production of iHeart Radio. How 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: are you on the seas, Samantha, not surprising. I get 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: really sick, so not great motions like this is not 5 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: my friend. However, I do love looking at the ocean 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: and the endless waters. I'm also petrified of dark waters 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: where I can't see the bottom, So there's interesting. Okay, okay, yeah, 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I feel that we see I feel like I know 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: there's a specific fear like phobia word for this, but 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: when I look out and all I see us water, 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: that makes me panic, like if I'm swimming in it 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: just water. Yeah, that does make me nervous. And I 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: used to have I guess I still do this, but 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because I can't go anywhere. But it's 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: for the start of every summer. I would watch Jaws. Yeah, okay, 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I did that from like as a kid, which I 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: that just shows how much I love fear, because I 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: feel like this is gonna really mess with me when 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm in the water. So I would go to being 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: with my dad, who was a real wild boat driver, 21 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and he had this move called the figure eight, and 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: then he would sling shot you through it. The slingshot 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: is the worst. When the rope would go, it would 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: just go slacking, like oh, I'm gonna fall off, and 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: so I fall off, and I would think this is it. 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: The climb up on the tube as quickly as possible, 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: as if the tube is gonna help me, as Jaws 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: Too showed me, it's true. Oh gosh, that seems scared 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: me so badly. Although I've kind of deviated from my 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: original question where I feel like I don't I get 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: sea sick some time, like if the if I can't 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: see outside and the boat is rocking a lot, that 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: will get me sick. So I don't think I would 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: have necessarily been a great explorer back in the day. 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, I couldn't have made it. We wouldn't have 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: gout it. Oh no, just tossed me overboard. It's fine. 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Oh there's a lot you had to deal with back then, 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: like scurvy yourself right, Oh my goodness. Well, we wanted 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: to bring back this classic episode because we recently did 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: our our episode on women and pirates. Yes, yes, please 41 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: enjoy this classic on women explores. Welcome to stuff Mom 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: never told you from House Supports dot com. Hello and 43 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline or 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: should I say Caroline? Oh boy made ahoi ladies. Yes, 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: we are talking about women explorers on the high seas 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: because in our summer series on women and Exploration, we've 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: talked about overland explorers and Antarctic explorers, and now it's 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: time to explore the parts of the globe. But knit 49 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: all of these excursions together the seas, that's right. A 50 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of cross dressing on the ocean, that's right, because 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: women weren't allowed on big boats for a long time. 52 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: They were not women, and our lady parts were considered 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: bad luck for ships and sailors. That's right. Along with priests, pigs, flowers, 54 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: and leaving harbor on a Friday. Women aboard ships for 55 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: a long time, we're considered unlucky, probably because of the 56 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: whole thing about distracting sailors who would then think of 57 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: sex instead of thinking of you know, a sex stance, right, 58 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: because men only think about sex when women are around. Yeah. Well, 59 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: but you know where women were welcome naked on the 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: carvings of the ships, that's right, because the ocean, while 61 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: the sailors shouldn't look at or even think about women ever, 62 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: because it's bad luck and etcetera, etcetera. The ocean itself 63 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: needs to see naked women. And hint, the carvings of 64 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: like topless mermaids, And I guess, I don't know, would 65 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: you say a mermaid is just naked? I mean, I 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: guess you couldn't wear bottoms, that's true, topless, we would 67 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: call them topless mermaids. Topless mermaids. Yeah, that's why you 68 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: see them so commonly on ships, because they're sort of 69 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: offerings to the seas, which all of it doesn't make 70 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: a whole ton of sense, but then again, we're talking 71 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: about superstitions. Um. But then early in the seventeen hundreds, 72 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: speaking of cross dressing, we start to see some daring 73 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: seafaring women like Mary Ann Talbot and Bonnie and Mary 74 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Reid who in various ports of call disguise them selves 75 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: as men in order to join the ship's cruise. Yeah, 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and and Bonnie and Mary Read both hooked up with pirates, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 77 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: I think it was. Was it Anne Read? One of 78 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: them ended up marrying the pirate known as Calico Jack. 79 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was Anne. Bonnie Yeah. Yeah, so they're 80 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: they're a happy pirate family until they weren't, you know, 81 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: and their their ship was caught, and then they were 82 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: in prison and the men were hanged, and there's all 83 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: sorts of legends about maybe what happened to uh Anne 84 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: and Mary, but nobody really knows for sure. Yeah. Well, 85 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: and maybe we should do an episode on women in piracy, 86 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: as in ce piracy, not internet internet piracy. But then 87 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: when we moved into the eighteen hundreds, you start to 88 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: see more commonly the wives of say military officers, merchants, 89 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: and whaling captains joining their husbands on board more often. Yeah, 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: and these actually became known as him frigates. Yeah. If 91 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: you had ship with women on board, I think all 92 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: you needed was one woman to constitute a hen frigate. Yeah. 93 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: I feel like that's making a big deal out of nothing. 94 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: It also reminds me of how bachelorette parties in the 95 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: UK hen parties just ladies of clucking. Interesting. I wonder 96 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: if women are called hens and other capacities. I mean, 97 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: I guess they are, but I wonder if it's supposed 98 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: to be derogatory in the same way as chicks chicks, 99 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: or maybe we have We're hitting on so many other 100 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: potential podcast topics here. Let's just stopping our research right now. 101 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: But anyway, So, so Mary Anne Talbot and Bonnie and 102 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Mary Reid were all pretty impressive tough women. They were 103 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: obviously pretty tough to dresses. Men hang out with these 104 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: like big burly, scary pirate people. Obviously they were tough, 105 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: but they were not as tough as the first woman 106 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: who circumnavigated the Globe, who really only recently we found 107 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: out about. Yeah, we're talking about a French woman named 108 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: Jeane Beret, who once she completed the trip, it was 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: known that she was a woman, that she had done this. 110 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: She actually ended up receiving a commission from the French Navy. 111 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: But it seems like her story has only been told 112 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: in more recent years. She was sort of lost to 113 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: the history books. But her story is fascinating. Yeah, Glenny's Ridley. 114 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: You just read a book about her called The Discovery 115 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: of Jean Beret, And yeah, her life story is pretty incredible. 116 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: So she was born to peasants in France in seventeen 117 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: forty and I just as I'm reading her life story, 118 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm picturing the peasants from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, 119 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I would be unimpressed. Um. Anyway, 120 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: she became an herb woman, and this is basically part 121 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: of a feminine tradition surrounding the medicinal properties of plants 122 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: and the emerging field of taxonomy, which aimed to name 123 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: and classify the natural world. So basically, Beret was part 124 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: of this oral tradition because it's not like they could 125 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: read and they were at the library studying all these plants. 126 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: It was an oral tradition where these family has trained 127 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: each other on how to identify plants and their healing properties. Well. 128 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: And it's notable too that being an herb woman in 129 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: particular was considered this feminine folk loreic art because it 130 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: sort of ties into what we were talking about in 131 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: our Overland Explorers podcast about how a lot of the 132 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: wealthier Victorian women who went on all these explorations did 133 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: so as botanists because similar to the whole herb woman thing, 134 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: you have botany at the time being the one approved 135 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: science for women to be interested in because ladies love flowers, 136 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: that's right. I love flowers. I don't know what any 137 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: of the names are, but I love them anyway, so yeah, 138 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: botany during this time was an emerging field. So basically 139 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: what does that mean, Like herb woman versus botanists, you 140 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: have the professionalization of the field, which means that more 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: men are getting into it, while women are considered like improper, 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: you know, it's not appropriate for them to study it. 143 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, Beret is out out in the field one 144 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: day looking at some flowers and she ends up meeting 145 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: botanist Philibert Commerson. They they, I guess they They end 146 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: up talking quite a bit, getting to know each other 147 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: and talking about flowers and the birds and the bees 148 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and of course, you know, they grow to 149 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: like each other quite a bit. Yeah, And at first 150 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: it seems as though Commerson takes on Jean Beret as 151 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: a student of his, but as Glenni's Ridley talks about 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: in her book, she thinks that it's actually likelier that 153 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: Commerson ended up working with Beret because she had things 154 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: to teach him about all of the herbal knowledge that 155 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: she had cultivated through this kind of folkloric medicine that 156 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: she practiced. That's right. And so basically Commerson was going 157 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: to go on this journey to identify plants and what not, etcetera, 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. He needed an assistant to go with him, 159 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: and who better to go than Jean Beret. But the 160 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: thing is, she's a lady. She can't go. Yeah, she 161 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: can't go because at the time the French Royal Navy 162 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: completely forbade women on ships. And this journey took place 163 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: from seventeen sixty six to seventeen sixty nine. And so 164 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Commerceing said, what are we gonna do? I love you, 165 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: you know so much about plants. I want you on 166 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: the ship. Hey, here we go. Why don't we just 167 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: dress you up like a man. Put on man's clothes, 168 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: bind your breast, deepen your voice at voila right, And 169 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: so she ends up getting to accompany him in this disguise, 170 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: dressed as a man on this journey, which was led 171 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: by French explorer Louis Antoine de Bougainvilla. And if that 172 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: sounds familiar, it should because while they were in Brazil, 173 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: they discovered a certain type of plant, which they then 174 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: named for the explorer bougan Vilia. Yeah, and it's thought 175 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: that it was Beret who discovered this now famous plant species. 176 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: But then the story takes a tragic turn because it's 177 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: it's not terribly surprising that on this three year jaunt, 178 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: at some point the crew started to suspect that Jean 179 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Beret was not in fact a man, and she was 180 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: found out. And there are a lot of conflicting stories 181 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: about how her outing happens. But what Glenny's Ridley thinks 182 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: happens comparing all these different primary sources that she used 183 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: to research her book, she thinks that Beret was actually 184 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: gang raped by the crew after she was outed at 185 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: one point and soon after that. Bougun Villa actually in 186 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty eight leaves Beret, who was then pregnant at 187 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: that point, possibly due to the gang rape in the 188 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: French colony of Mauritius where she then had the baby, 189 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: gave it up for adoption, and then Philip there dies 190 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: like rough time Jee, but Jean does not give up. 191 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: She certainly didn't. She remarried and went back to France 192 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy four seventy five about she ends up 193 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: receiving a pension from the French Navy, which is pretty 194 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: shocking considering the time she was living in the fact 195 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: that she was a woman and she wasn't even supposed 196 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: to be on that ship, but they they ended up 197 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: basically compensating her for her time that she spent looking 198 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: at plants and identifying plants and working on this ship. Yeah, 199 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: and they knew by that point obviously that she was 200 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: not a he and Ridley thinks that maybe this was 201 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: due to an affair with Bougunvilla that she received this pension. 202 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, there was this prince aboard the ship at 203 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: one point who was sailing with them, and in his 204 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: diary he wrote about Jean Beret quote, she dared to 205 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: confront the stress, the dangers, and everything that happened that 206 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: one could realistically expect on such a voyage. Her adventure 207 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: should I think be included in the history of famous women. 208 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: So that's what we're doing. Yeah, we're doing our part. 209 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: But I but I I love that that that somebody 210 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: of his stature would write something like that. But talk 211 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: about going to great lengths to explore I mean putting 212 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: herself in I mean direct danger. That's right now. I 213 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: want to see a movie about this. Yeah, that's what 214 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: I want to see next. But it would take a 215 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: while for other women to end up making and breaking 216 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: records of their own on the high seas. Yeah, we're 217 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: now going to leap forward in time to the twentieth century, 218 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: which is when we start seeing other women. I mean, 219 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: there have certainly been other women in the meantime who 220 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: had sailed around the globe, but once we get into 221 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, that's when we have a lot of 222 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: races of women trying to go around the world on 223 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: their own or sail across specific oceans. And so you 224 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: start out in nineteen fifty two with Anne Davison, who 225 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: becomes the first woman to sail across the Atlantic alone. Yeah, 226 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and her story of what really drove her was was 227 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: pretty interesting as well. In the nineteen thirties she actually 228 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: learned how to fly, which is how she met her 229 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: future husband, Frank, and after World War Two, the couple 230 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: took up sailing with plans to sail to the West 231 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Indies to start a new life. But soon after embarking 232 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine, a storm hit, the boat capsized 233 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: and Frank died. So and to sort of continue their 234 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: their goal. To reach their goal, she sets off in 235 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: May of nineteen fifty two across the Atlantic alone and 236 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: it was not easy. No, apparently she maintained a steady 237 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: diet of benz adrine and rum to keep on keeping 238 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: on because it was such an arduous journey. But she 239 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: made it, and she broke this record now has a 240 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: place in the history books. And and then in nineteen 241 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: sixty nine, you have a similar story actually with Sharon 242 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: sites Atoms becoming the first woman to sail the Pacific alone, 243 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: going from Japan to California because she discovered sailing after 244 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: the death of her husband. And in nineteen sixty four 245 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: she had already become the first woman to sail solo 246 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: from the mainland US to Hawaii. So in a pretty 247 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: short period of time she just started racking up all 248 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: of these records. Sailing back and forth across the Pacific 249 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: alone a big deal. And I mean these women were 250 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: not exactly using GPS systems, you know. This is this 251 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: is back in the fifties and sixties. And I mean, 252 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: I I imagine like the quiet and the birds and 253 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: the water sounds, and I'm like, god, that was so nice. 254 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: For like two hours, that would be really nice. And 255 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: then my Scottish skin would just like turn purple and 256 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: I would turn into like leather and shrivel up and 257 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: just throw myself overboard, would need a lot of bends, 258 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: a green and rum. Maybe just the rum. It's just 259 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: the um, maybe just the downers. But I think it's 260 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: so interesting, like these stories of perseverance through emotional turmoil 261 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: from Beret to women like Sharon sits atoms Um. But 262 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: then things start getting a little more competitive in the seventies, 263 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and apparently in ninety women had sailing fever. Sailing fever, 264 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: that's right. In June of nineteen seventy eight, Poland's Christina 265 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Chanoska Liskawitz, who was a shipbuilding engineer and yachting sea captain. 266 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: I hope she had a jaunty hat. She was the 267 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: first woman to single handedly circumnavigate the world singlehandedly, that's 268 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: the important part. She actually ended up getting dubbed the 269 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: first Lady of the Oceans and was admitted to the 270 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: very exclusive, gender exclusive Explorers Club. But obviously that wouldn't 271 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: be for another couple of years, because as we discussed 272 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: in a previous Explore episode, it wasn't at the Explorers 273 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: Club even started letting women in. Yeah, I did a 274 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: little digging on that, and I think it might have 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: been the Polish chapter of the Explorers Club. And I 276 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: was surprised too that there wasn't more information or celebration 277 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: regarding Liskowitz and her accomplishment. She just sort of a footnote, 278 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: even though it seems like a pretty huge accomplishment. And 279 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's simply because she was an 280 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: American so she didn't get quite as much fanfare, But yeah, 281 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean you would think, because I feel like for 282 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: a lot of these women who you know, we're the 283 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: first at something or or did something the best. Uh, 284 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: there's usually like an interview or an article somewhere. Yeah, 285 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: why don't we know more about someone called the first 286 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: Lady of the Oceans, Because it seems like Naomi James, 287 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: who completed a similar solo circumnavigation, say that five times 288 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: Fast has received more historical attention. She was just narrowly 289 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: be buy List Go It's for that title, but she 290 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: actually completed her trip one nine days faster, which is 291 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: especially impressive considering that James had barely two years of 292 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: training on a yacht before she was like, oh hey, 293 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sail around the world alone. And for 294 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of comparison with men's sailing, women weren't 295 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: terribly behind guys and doing these solo trips around the world. 296 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: Robin Knox Johnson had become the first man to solo 297 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: circumnavigate the globe in nine Interesting. I like hearing about 298 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: people who just kind of, whether it's smart or not, 299 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: just jump into something like this. I mean, after only 300 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: two years of training. She's like, Yeah, I'm gonna do this. 301 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: It's cool. I'm just gonna go like around the world 302 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and stuff and do it really fast on my boat. Yeah. 303 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I would need a lot 304 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: of bensdreen for that one. But more recently, in twelve, 305 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: Laura Decker became the youngest woman to sail around the world, 306 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: and she set out when she was fourteen, completing the 307 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: trip in two years. Yeah, listeners might be familiar with 308 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: her name a because there's a fantastic documentary about her 309 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: trip called Maiden Trip, because she actually took a camera 310 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: with her and filmed the entire thing, and it was 311 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: incredible to watch her on the boat taking care of things, 312 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: fixing things, sailing through storms, and generally just being by herself. 313 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine thinking back on when you were fourteen 314 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years old spending that much time alone, I feel 315 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: like there was I was in a state of constant 316 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: frenzy of wanting to be around other people and hang 317 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: out with friends and all of that kind of social stuff, 318 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: whereas she prefers that kind of solitary lifestyle. It takes 319 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: a strong person to be alone that much and too 320 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: and to buck what is normal for your social group 321 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: or your age group or whatever. But her name was 322 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: also in the news before she even set sail, because 323 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: the Dutch government was so opposed to her even embarking 324 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: on this trip that they initially took her away from 325 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: her dad, who has sole custody of her, and I 326 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: think she ended up having to legally like separate emancipate 327 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: herself in order to do this. It was just like 328 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: a whole I mean, she was making national news the 329 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: whole time, and you see in the documentary this process 330 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: of her and her dad having to deal with all 331 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: of this unwanted media attention because genuinely, all she wanted 332 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: to do was sail around the world. She grew up 333 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: on boats, her dad worked. She wanted to do all 334 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: she wanted. I mean, all a girl wants to do 335 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: is take two years out of her life and sail 336 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: around the world. But I mean, I think I think 337 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: that's a great gift. I mean, maybe not sailing around 338 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: the world, but I think that type of independence is 339 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: a great gift that a parent can give to a 340 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: daughter to let her do something on her own. Absolutely 341 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: kind of ambition and bravery, because I mean she would, 342 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: even you know, at certain ports, get off and you know, 343 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: hang out on land for a while and just explore 344 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: on her own and meet people and talk to people. 345 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I approaching thirty and brave 346 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: enough to do that. At sixteen, I was just meeting 347 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: from I was going by myself to Starbucks to meet friends. Yeah, 348 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: big move, big move. I'll take a Venti frappuccino, thank you. 349 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: But next up, we want to dive in to the 350 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: seas to talk about not just the women who have 351 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: explored the oceans by sailing on top of them, but 352 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: also the women who explored the sea by diving into 353 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: its deepest depths. And we'll get into that when we 354 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: come right back from a quick break. So far, we've 355 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: talked a lot about. Yes, Jean Beret was an explorer 356 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: in a literal definition of the term, she was going 357 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: out around the world doing science and research and all 358 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: that stuff. But we've talked a lot about adventurers, to 359 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: people like young Laura Decker, who became the youngest woman 360 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: to sail around the world. Now let's let's dive in, 361 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: as Kristen said, to some more of these explorer stem 362 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: Field types. Yeah, the women who are getting into the 363 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: oceans in order to learn about how that aquatic world works. 364 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: And just for a little bit of historical context, and 365 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 1: this is coming from National Geographic to understand what is 366 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: leading up to these notable women. In nineteen thirty four, 367 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: we have William Baby being lowered into a tethered bathosphere 368 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: to over three thousand feet into the ocean, and he 369 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and his partner Otis Barton pioneered manned exploration of the ocean. 370 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: So this is in the mid thirties. This is when 371 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: we're really starting to get into the depths, right. And 372 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: in ninety three, this name should be familiar to you. 373 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: Jacques Cousteau and his partner, engineer Emil Ganyon, modified a 374 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: demand breathing regulator to engineer the aqua lung forever, changing 375 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: how people interact with the ocean. In other words, they 376 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: made scuba diving possible. Yeah, and and so my panic 377 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: attack hyperventilation when I tried to go snooba diving in Mexico, 378 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: which is like a combination of scuba and snorkeling. Total 379 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: panic attack because my brain I have him to thank 380 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: for it, because my brain was like, you're underwater. Did 381 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: you not know you're underwater? You're not supposed to breathe? 382 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: Panic attack. But anyway, speaking of Custo, because we're not 383 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,479 Speaker 1: here to just talk about these dudes, as impressive as 384 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: they are with their aqua lung, we have to talk 385 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: about Custo's wife, Simone Melchior Custo. So seven, she and 386 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: Jacques get married, and she actually sold family jewels and 387 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: furs initially to help and uh the Calypso, which was 388 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: the famous ship that they sailed on. And she became 389 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: known as the first Lady of the Ocean because of 390 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: all of the incredible work that she did alongside Jacques Cousteau. 391 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: For instance, she became the first woman scuba diver and 392 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: played an essential role in the development of scuba diving 393 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: technology as well as basic undersea operations because she was 394 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: helping test out the equipment, get dive into the ocean 395 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: with it on and see what there was to see 396 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: in the sea. Yeah. Yeah, and and looking fabulously French 397 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: while she with a with a little like short haircut 398 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: and striped shirt with the boatneck. Yeah, I kind of 399 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: want that to be my summer style. The Simone chic um. Well. 400 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty three she actually became the first 401 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: aquannot when she visited the con shelf to undersea habitat 402 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: in the Red Sea. But I do want to mention 403 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: too that there was a scandalous undercurrent to the Custo's 404 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: relationship because and this didn't come out until after Simone died, 405 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: but almost the entire time, or at least for a 406 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: good portion of their marriage, Jacques Coustou had a secret family, 407 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: and he ended up marrying the woman that he had been, 408 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, having this long term affair with and two 409 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: children with while he was married to Simone. He married 410 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: this other woman after Simone died. But I mean, it 411 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: just seems like, I don't know, I wonder if she 412 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: was how could she not have been aware of that? 413 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: And I think she just loved the exploration in life 414 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: on the Calypso so much that perhaps that overshadowed any 415 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: kind of you know, relationship turmoils. I mean maybe maybe. 416 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, after all, her son with Cousto, Jean Michelle 417 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: often said that she was the real captain of the 418 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: Calypso and that she spent more time on Calypso than 419 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: my father, brother, and myself combined. Yeah, and I hate 420 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: that I didn't even know about her accomplishments because everyone 421 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: knows about Jacques Gustau, but I don't think that that 422 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: many people know about the important Simon. Yeah that she Yeah, 423 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: that she was just as critical to these explorations as Jaquas. 424 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: But if first Lady of the Ocean, Simone's moniker isn't 425 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: impressive enough, here we go. Let's take this radness up 426 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: a notch with Sylvia Earle known as her Deepness. Yeah. 427 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: We we mentioned Sylvia Earl in our first introductory episode 428 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: and and talked about how her resume is incredible. Um. 429 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy, Earle led the first team of women 430 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: aqua Nuts, which I love that Aquanuts during the tech 431 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: Type project, and she set a record for solo diving 432 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to a depth of one thousand meters. And now the 433 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: first tech type project was all men, but then she 434 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: was part of a follow up project that brought all 435 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: women explorers down to the ocean, and that tech type 436 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: project in nineteen seventy was the first NASA mission to 437 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: include women and it's still the only all female NASA 438 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: mission ever conducted, right. And it's it's interesting too when 439 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: you think about the context of when this was happening. 440 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this tech Type two project that 441 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: Earle lead was happening during a time when women were, 442 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, more entering the workforce. They were entering jobs 443 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: that had traditionally been held by men, and so it 444 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: was really showing that women scientists and explorers could do 445 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: the same things that men could do and had a 446 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: lot to contribute to the field as well. Yeah, And 447 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: one of the engineers and assistant scientific director on that 448 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: Tech Type to all female mission under the Seas, Peggy 449 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: Lucas Bond, said about that expedition quote, one of the 450 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: things is probably true to any minority group. Ours was 451 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: bound and determined to do everything better than the men 452 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: could do. And she from there talked about how they 453 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: completed more projects and tried to bring back more data 454 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: than other projects had because This was the point in 455 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: which they had to prove themselves, and it actually paved 456 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: the way for other female aquanats to be regularly included 457 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: in future missions, and also paved the way for women's 458 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: inclusion in NASA space missions. Yeah, exactly, You're you're either 459 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: floating under the water or you're floating in space. Yeah, 460 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: because this tech type project was meant to help simulate 461 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: how life in space would take place. Oh, and Peggy 462 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Lucas Bond also talked about the claustrophobia aspect of living 463 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: in that capsule underwater, and because it would be the 464 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: same kind of thing if you're in, say the space station, 465 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you can't leave. Nope, No thanks brave women, No, thank you. 466 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: But I'm glad other women did it. I said, no 467 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: desire well, and I thought Sylvia Earle's career lead up 468 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: to becoming her Deepness resonates a lot with the other 469 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: explorers that we've talked about, because she was introduced to 470 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: all of this through guess what botany Yeah, studying algae 471 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: for her thesis of all Things Algae. Yeah, and just 472 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: for another career note this was actually before tech Tight two. 473 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, she discovered undersea dunes off the 474 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: coast of the Bahamas. That would be nice, that would 475 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: be cool. I want to go there. Um. In nineteen 476 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: seventy nine, she actually set the world untethered diving record. 477 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: She descended twelve hundred and fifty feet beneath the surface 478 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: of the Pacific Ocean in one of these special diving 479 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: suits that maintain a constant interior pressure. Because holy goodness, 480 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: I cannot believe that she went so far down, just untethered. 481 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I with the painted attacks like I'm feeling one coming on. 482 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: I just I can't. She's she's so cool. Well and 483 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: for that, I think she got the name her deepness 484 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: because she went so deep into the ocean. Um. And 485 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety she became the first woman to become 486 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: the chief Scientists of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 487 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. And in she wrote a book 488 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: called Sea Change, A Message of the Oceans, which is 489 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: kind of considered the Silent Spring for the oceans. And 490 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: then in which seems a little too too recent for 491 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: this to be a first, but in she became the 492 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: National Geographic Society's first female explorer in residence. And she's 493 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: still working. She's still doing stuff. She's still diving and 494 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: learning about the ocean and conservation and spreading the gospel 495 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: thereof Yeah, I saw a picture of her with her son. 496 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: They were both in diving suits, And then I was 497 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: thinking about pictures of the Custos and their family, and 498 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I was like, can you imagine that that's your normal? 499 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: Like my parents worked for Delta Airlines and that's my normal. 500 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: And like other people, their parents are like teachers and 501 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: firefighters and the office people like, but no, your your 502 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: parents were just like super awesome underwater explorers. That's normal. Well, 503 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: it seems like with a lot of the seafaring women there, 504 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: there's usually a family tie of either growing up on 505 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: boats or around boats or by the water. Yeah. And 506 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: I one thing that I do wish as far as 507 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: inspiration is concerned, like I do wish we knew more 508 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: about what inspired those early women like an Bonnie to 509 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: dress like men and go out on the oceans. I mean, 510 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I know that they loved these pirates and they wanted 511 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: to have adventures for them selves, but it's like, oh, 512 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: I just want to kind of get inside their brains. Yeah. Absolutely, well, 513 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: and even today, I mean there are so many women 514 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: also in oceanography. There there are many other women doing 515 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: similar work to Sylvia Earle. There's even a website, Women 516 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: oceanographers dot org dedicated to highlighting all of the different 517 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: career paths that water loving women have taken. In its 518 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: similar stem oriented jobs that they're doing. Yeah, and I mean, 519 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: in in earlier episodes, we've we've hit on this over 520 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: and over again that you know, people are asking what 521 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: is left to explore, what is left to discover, And 522 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: the answer is only that it's everything. You know, people 523 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: who are whether you're on top of the water discovering 524 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: things or you're underneath the surface of the water discovering things. 525 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: There's everything from microbes and habitats to the plant life, 526 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the animal life, I mean everything in between. Well, and 527 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: so much of us two deals with broader issues of 528 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: climate change and its repercussions down to our day to 529 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: day lives. So while it might seem rather exotic to 530 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, have a job that involves scuba diving, it 531 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: actually can have a trickle down impact into our day 532 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 1: to day cubicle bound existences. That's right. It can make 533 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: us better podcasters, that's right. Indeed, well, this wraps up 534 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: the portion of our summer series really highlighting the women 535 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: who are professional explorers and adventurers. And next up to 536 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: close things out, we're going to take a look at 537 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: women who are just traveling on their own just to 538 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: see the world today and what that's like. So in 539 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: the meantime, we want to hear from you. Do we 540 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: have any oceanographers, any marine biologists listening? Anyone who knows 541 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: Sylvia Earle her deepness? Are you listening? Let us know 542 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: moms Stuff at how stuff works dot Com is our 543 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: email address. You can also tweet us mom Stuff podcast 544 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: or messages on Facebook, and we have a couple of 545 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: messages to share with you right now. So I've got 546 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: a letter here from summer in response to our episode 547 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: on why a fiction. She writes. As a teacher in 548 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: New Zealand, teaching students eighteen years old, I try to 549 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: make sure that I teach something new with at least 550 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: one of my classes every year so that I don't 551 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: get bored. I get to choose what I teach and 552 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: can sometimes arrange for class sets of texts to be 553 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: purchased if I want to teach something that we don't 554 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: already have. I think the best part of my job 555 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: is seeing young people excited about literature and choosing the 556 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: right text for the class is so important. You touched 557 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: on the need for greater diversity and fiction, and in 558 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: New Zealand this is represented by the need to have 559 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: relevant New Zealand text rather than relying on American and 560 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: British fair and specifically Maori and Polynesian stories. My recollection 561 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: of New Zealand literature when I was in high school 562 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: was not entirely positive. Either it wasn't relevant to me, 563 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: or I often found it boring because New Zealand literature 564 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: is characteristically dark. That's surprising, and I liked more optimistic 565 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: fare at that stage in my life. Furthermore, as a 566 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: Maori living in the suburbs of Auckland, I was somewhat 567 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: disconnected from my heritage and so called Maori stories did 568 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: not apply to me is they tended to be set 569 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: in rural communities or in violent gang lands. That said, 570 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: as the market grows, there are more of our stories 571 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: being told and the students I teach are less likely 572 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: to experience cultural cringe than I did when I was 573 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: in school. My favorites include Guardian at the Dead, by 574 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: Karen Healy, a supernatural thriller that contains elements of Maori mythology, 575 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: and also Rangatira by Paul Morris, which is historical fiction 576 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: based on real events. So thanks for that insight, summer 577 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: and fun. Fact, my brother is also a teacher in 578 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: New Zealand, so hats off to you. I have a 579 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: letter here from Melissa. She says, I was so excited 580 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: to listen to your did world Ward Who Really help 581 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: Rosie the Riveter podcast? From my master's thesis in history, 582 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: I wrote about Millie Jeoffrey, who was the first woman 583 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: to have a department at the United Auto Workers. She 584 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: ran the Women's department from nineteen forty four to nineteen 585 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: forty nine. One problem she encountered during the end of 586 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: World War Two is the disregard of women's special seniority 587 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: that they accrued during the duration of the war. When 588 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: men left their auto factory jobs to serve in the military, 589 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: they continued to accrue seniority, while the women who replaced 590 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: them got special seniority. Women therefore wouldn't outrank returning veterans, 591 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: but they would out rank men who had never worked 592 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: in the factory. However, veterans who were new to the 593 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: auto industry were hired over women workers who had more 594 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: seniority than them. When the war ended, Unfortunately, million or 595 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: colleagues got little help from their union and the auto 596 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: companies on this matter. I hate that story, but I 597 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: love the story, and I'm glad you shared it. So 598 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: thank you, Melissa, and thanks to everybody who's shared their 599 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: stories with us. Moms stuff at how stuff works dot 600 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: com is our email address and for links to all 601 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: of our social media outlets, blogs, videos, and every single 602 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: one of our podcast head on over to stuff mom 603 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: Never Told You dot com for more on this and 604 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. Isn't how stuff works dot com