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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast part of the Volume

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Speaker 1: podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome in my co host, my companion Mike, and

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Speaker 1: Padre might be a FF professional. Better signon Hunter, and

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Speaker 1: also I'm in Chad.

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Speaker 3: How are we doing, dude?

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Speaker 2: We are so close to having real football?

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Speaker 1: Two weeks from today is the kickoff for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five NFL season, which means that today is our

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Speaker 1: last division to preview. We are doing the n the

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Speaker 1: AFC North. We got the grittiest, most blue collar franchises

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and the Bengals. I don't boom reminder,

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Speaker 1: I'm letting everybody know which divisions everybody is playing in

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Speaker 1: their schedule so they get a sense of it. AFC North,

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Speaker 1: in its conference, plays the AFC East and they also

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Speaker 1: play the NFC North Baltimore Ravens. I doing my research

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Speaker 1: started falling more and more in love with this team.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to the Achilles Heel, which is

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Speaker 1: always the same division minus one sixty conference plus three

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Speaker 1: twenty five Super Bowl plus six point fifty win total

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Speaker 1: eleven and a half. Simon, do you want to hear

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Speaker 1: why I absolutely love the Ravens right now.

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Speaker 3: C It's Baltimore, gentlemen, the gods will not.

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Speaker 1: This is a team that you know, generationally has had

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Speaker 1: an incredible coaching staff and an incredible personnel department. Right

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Speaker 1: their front office has been legit. That's why there has

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Speaker 1: been no transition for them. In the first half of

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Speaker 1: last year. Clearly, their defense was terrible, right Zach Orr,

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Speaker 1: the new defensive coordinator, had Kyle Hamilton playing closer to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and this team was getting burned

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Speaker 1: so often.

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Speaker 2: They were giving up.

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Speaker 1: So many points, and as a better we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of chances. It was clear early on that they

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Speaker 1: were not able to maintain leads and we were able

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Speaker 1: to bet against them because they kept giving up the

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Speaker 1: back door and their spreads were so high. Like the

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Speaker 1: public is always on the Ravens. Then they made some

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Speaker 1: significant personnel adjustments in the middle of the years, specifically

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton moving back into a more traditional safety role

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Speaker 1: defending against sort of the long, bulsive plays that had

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Speaker 1: been killing them. After going five to five and one

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Speaker 1: the first eleven year eleven games against spread, they went

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Speaker 1: five to one in the final six amazing, Right, What

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Speaker 1: I love about the Ravens is they don't get complacent.

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Speaker 1: What did they do? Their secondary Kyle Hamilton masked some

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Speaker 1: of the weaknesses they had. So what did they do?

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Speaker 1: They added JayR Alexander from the Packers. They drafted Malachi

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Speaker 1: Starks from Georgia. They added Chuck Pegano as a secondary coach. Right,

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Speaker 1: they just got better defensively. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: they added DeAndre Hopkins for Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: So amazing. Love this team. And then none of it will.

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Speaker 1: Matter if they can't figure out how to lose Lamar

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Speaker 1: in the right way in a playoff game. Right, So, like,

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Speaker 1: I want to do everything with this team. I want

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Speaker 1: to bet them at every level. And I still worry

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Speaker 1: about Lamar and not being you know, the player that

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Speaker 1: he lived that he is during the regular season when

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Speaker 1: we get to a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the biggest thing jumped out. We had that

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Speaker 4: Bachelor part again. I'm not around just Joe Schmoe normal people.

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Speaker 4: That often was the Ravens hype. Everyone all these Joe

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Speaker 4: public people love the Ravens super Bowl bet right, That's

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Speaker 4: that's who these Eagles fans think they're gonna be playing

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Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl this upcoming season. I am just like,

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Speaker 4: where's that confidence come from? Why do you have more

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Speaker 4: confidence than little more than you do and josh Alla

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Speaker 4: Mahomes and I think it is because of what you

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Speaker 4: just talked about, Chad, that this team once again is

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Speaker 4: absolutely stacked. And you know, this is my pushback on

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Speaker 4: the Hurts disrespect was two years ago. You could argue

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Speaker 4: that Ravens team that lost at home to Kansas City

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Speaker 4: was one of the greatest teams ever in anyone's model,

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Speaker 4: Like I know DVLA had them as I think a

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Speaker 4: third best team ever record on their database. You know,

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Speaker 4: this is one of the best franchises at drafting ever,

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Speaker 4: Like they consistently draft so well, and Chad just talked

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Speaker 4: about they attacked free agency every year as well, So

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Speaker 4: you don't think they have the money and they cheat

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Speaker 4: in other areas, right, Like their d line, their detackles

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Speaker 4: might not be the best, but they're just so dominant

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Speaker 4: in other areas. Right they might have the arguably the

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Speaker 4: best safety and the best linebacker in all football. So

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Speaker 4: it's like when you have Roquan When you have someone

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Speaker 4: that dominant, someone who can tackle so well, it changes

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Speaker 4: the dynamic of the team, right, That makes teams have

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Speaker 4: to pass the ball. So that's what they went out,

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Speaker 4: Chad just talked with. They went out and try to

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Speaker 4: attack the secondary, something they viewed early in the year.

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Speaker 3: Last year that was a weakness.

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Speaker 4: Like Chad said, they were awful at defense first eight

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Speaker 4: weeks of the season. And you know, their head, their coordinator,

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Speaker 4: the DC, I think it was my age. I think

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Speaker 4: it was thirty four to thirty five years old.

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Speaker 3: So it makes sense. Okay, this guy is in over

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Speaker 3: his head.

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Speaker 4: He apparently reached out to other people and had people

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Speaker 4: come in and help him out.

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Speaker 3: And with that, that's a beautiful thing in life. You

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Speaker 3: can be humble and take.

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Speaker 4: Outside help and everything you have all the answers, it's

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Speaker 4: only gonna make you better as a person.

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Speaker 3: Grow and that's what happened with their defense. So grew,

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Speaker 3: it got better.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, towards end of the season, they were

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Speaker 4: probably the best defense left in the AFC. But this

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Speaker 4: year they ran into was you know Josh Allen, he

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Speaker 4: showed up and that was this year they ran into

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Speaker 4: it was like, okay, you guys are a great defense.

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Speaker 3: You're going against the MVP.

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Speaker 4: There never is a great defense to stop the MVP

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Speaker 4: right when the MVP is clicking. It doesn't matter how

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Speaker 4: great and dominant or defense was that year, just it's

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Speaker 4: not gonna live up to that moment.

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Speaker 3: And it sucked for them. They did. They got stops.

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Speaker 4: Into that game right, and it was all in Lamar's hands,

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Speaker 4: and yes, Mark Andrews dropped it, but it was a

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Speaker 4: little too late, like even if they scored, we talked

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Speaker 4: about there was too much time left. So you know,

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Speaker 4: me and Chad, this is a long winted answer that

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Speaker 4: I love this team as well as you do, but

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Speaker 4: this is another team that I'm happy to be patient

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Speaker 4: on because we're starting.

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Speaker 3: The NFL season starts in two weeks.

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Speaker 4: If you've already missed the boat on them divisional odds

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Speaker 4: and if you don't want to bet the win total,

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Speaker 4: I would honestly wait because.

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Speaker 3: Of the way their schedule starts.

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Speaker 4: I know if you look at this chat, but they

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Speaker 4: literally start at Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, at Kansas City, Houston

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Speaker 3: So to me, pretty simple position there.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, you're missing one game the Juggernaut

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Speaker 3: What after the bye week? I think so yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think they'll be prayer. I think they'll be prayed for

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Speaker 3: that one. But yeah, I just I look at their schedule.

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Speaker 3: It's like, why rush to the window right now?

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Speaker 4: Can't we be patient here and hope you know, Pittsburgh

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Speaker 4: has a great start. The Bengals, who we both don't

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Speaker 4: really believe, and come out on a hot start. So

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Speaker 4: it's like, you know, everyone in the world, every drill

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Speaker 4: public I talked to is drinking the Ravens school aid.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a nice team to step back from.

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Speaker 4: Let them hopefully start five hundred or you know, even

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Speaker 4: four and two. I think you could get potentially better

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Speaker 4: be patient on them, just because what an insane start

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Speaker 4: arguably the three best teams without not including the Eagles

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Speaker 4: in all football. So yeah, it's it's tough where I remember,

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Speaker 4: like months ago, I almost got sucked in right away

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Speaker 4: betting than Week one at the Buffalo Bills because it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's Lamar.

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Speaker 3: As a dog. Me and Chad talk all the time.

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Speaker 4: If Lamar is under three, he's like twenty and three

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Speaker 4: against the spread something crazy when he's an underdog or

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Speaker 4: under three. So it's it's a tough start to the season.

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Speaker 4: But we just talked about there. I think they're number

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Speaker 4: two or number three in my model. They are insanely talented.

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Speaker 4: People want to bitch and moan that. You know, we

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Speaker 4: disrespect Lamar every year and we're too low on Lamar.

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Speaker 4: He ain't the number one guy, he ain't the number

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Speaker 4: guy because he just does not choping the playoffs and

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Speaker 4: he has these turnovers, which again last year he fixed it.

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Speaker 4: I think he only had four or five turnovers all season.

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Speaker 4: He has two inexplicable never happens Lamar turner against.

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Speaker 3: That Bills team. So that's that's the issue people.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys are all too much in denial

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Speaker 4: of shifting the blame where it has to be shifted

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Speaker 4: on the Lamar like he has the team around him.

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Speaker 4: They've supported him, they've gone out, they've gotten no weapons.

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Speaker 4: They went out and got Derrick Henry. Like Chet said,

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Speaker 4: we joked about Hopkins. Yes he's not a game changer,

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Speaker 4: but it's a cog in the machine.

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Speaker 3: Like you few of him.

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Speaker 4: As your third receiver, bying Zay Flowers. You know, Isaiah

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Speaker 4: likely should be backed by week two or three. Him

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Speaker 4: So yeah, people can tell I'm hyped up about this team.

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Speaker 4: It's just be patient. I just think that started the

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Speaker 4: season is so brutal. Super Bowl six plus six hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty, come on, there's no value in betting that

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Speaker 4: right now, So to me, I have no bet on

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Speaker 4: them when total wise, divisional wise, I would.

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Speaker 3: Say, just be patient.

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Speaker 4: If you want to throw their division and win the

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Speaker 4: other teams and parlays, I got an issue with that,

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Speaker 4: But betting it's straight. I just I can't do it

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Speaker 4: with this team in this division, just because it's it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be better value to me by the time it

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Speaker 2: You just mentioned the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: I have nothing more to say about the Ravens other

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Speaker 1: than what you said, like love them. My final note

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Speaker 1: schedule is fucking brutal, and so it's a hard way

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Speaker 1: to start the year. The Bengals, meanwhile, super interesting value

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Speaker 1: to me, probably not in the way people expect because

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Speaker 1: of how much I love Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: The Cincinnati Bengals ended their season the same way that

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Speaker 3: they started it, with a die hard commitment. The Bengals

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Speaker 3: battle tenaciously.

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Speaker 1: Division plus two, sixty, Conference plus eight fifty, Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: eighteen one win total nine and a half. You downgraded

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow out of your top four QBS entirely right

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Speaker 1: to me. The management continues to find ways to completely

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Speaker 1: kill any mojo and just put more more obstacles in

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Speaker 1: front of Joe Burrow, who it's very possible he goes

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Speaker 1: down as like Dan Marino, where he's got an incredible

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Speaker 1: career and has that early Super Bowl appearance and never

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Speaker 1: gets back because I think the franchise is so incompetent,

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Speaker 1: and we saw it on display this entire offseason. They

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Speaker 1: draft Shamar Stewart, then they put an unprecedented clause in

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Speaker 1: his contract that he cannot sign, which leads to acrimony

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Speaker 1: and a bad holdout for a guy, by the way,

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Speaker 2: So that's terrible. Simon. The last thing, their offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's bad when Chad goes and they

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Speaker 4: did out at Al Golden, Like who the fuck cares

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean, Like I got to have some talent.

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Speaker 3: Brutal, Yeah, brutal.

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Speaker 4: So it's like they're they're literally it's as if they

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Speaker 2: Like how did they how did they every? Like as

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Speaker 2: I did the research, and like we all have our biases.

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Speaker 1: Enamored with quarterbacks and think they can, to your point,

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Speaker 1: it's just not going to be enough to have Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: Like it's just not there.

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Speaker 4: And this team is the definition of wins or a

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Speaker 4: But to me, I have him at eight wins, so

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Speaker 4: I have him a full game.

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Speaker 3: And a half below it.

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Speaker 4: And you know, god damn, we're people mad that I

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Speaker 3: And I get it, like no.

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Speaker 4: One's doubting the talent level of Joe Burrow. But you

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Speaker 3: You need to go back and watch the games.

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Speaker 4: You need to go back and watch that Chiefs game

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Speaker 4: that falls onto Joe. So it's once again coming to

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Speaker 3: I get why.

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Speaker 4: People are so in love with Joe Burrow and the

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Speaker 4: The joke is this team is constructed by a thirteen

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Speaker 4: Chat just talk about letting Trey Hendricks walk. I can't

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Speaker 4: believe it's real. I really can't believe they didn't pay

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Speaker 4: he loves the Bengals. He grew up a Bengals fan,

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Speaker 4: He just wants guaranteed money, which you should pay them.

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Speaker 4: You should pay him that guaranteed money because the splits

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Speaker 4: your defense is so extreme.

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Speaker 3: But they're not.

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Speaker 4: They're just very stubborn and it's bad ownership. And their

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Speaker 4: and you let guys walk. You didn't pay certain players.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is to me a very don dumb

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Speaker 4: If you've taken any positive position on this Bengals teams,

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Speaker 4: you clearly never looked into what their defense was going

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Speaker 4: to be. You clearly overthought what their quarterback position is.

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Speaker 4: Where I just said it, like again, it doesn't sound

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Speaker 4: great to you. Joe Burrow is a top five, top

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Speaker 4: six quarterback to many people.

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Speaker 3: That is very impressive for this kid.

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Speaker 4: But we talk all the time, you have to build

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm on their under I'm on their plus

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Speaker 4: I be shocked if they can back toward the way

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Speaker 4: And no, because we just talked about Joe Burrows one

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Speaker 3: But how are they going to hold leads?

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Speaker 4: They won't I'm telling you people, they won't be able

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Speaker 3: So we saw it last year.

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Speaker 4: As long as they play bad teams below five hundred,

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Speaker 3: And that's just what it's going to be like this season.

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Speaker 3: So you know, they could get fluky.

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Speaker 4: Wins here and there, they could get to this win

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Speaker 3: Know, super Bowl winning their.

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Speaker 4: Conference, like they just they feel so far below the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: it sucks to be doom and gloom on them. We

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Speaker 3: So yeah, again, it's it's so negative right now.

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Speaker 4: But of all the teams's division, they feel like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're going to need to rebuild for three four years,

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Speaker 4: and that's that's exactly wh we don't want to be

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned the schedule, and I thought you you

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Speaker 1: pointed it out brilliantly.

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Speaker 2: They got bad teams.

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Speaker 1: They got the Browns, Yeah, they got the Jets, they

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Speaker 1: NFC North feels like a fifty to fifty proposition between

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Speaker 1: having to play each of their teams twice, especially the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: those are six really hard games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for this team, I can't find the wins.

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Speaker 2: I can't find.

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Speaker 3: I can't find. People are giving me about having no

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Speaker 3: eight wins, that's being nice.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I can't fight the guaranteed wins.

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Speaker 1: Like in every schedule elite teams, you can find the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Find the games where I'm like, oh, yeah, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: And the Jets. That's fair, that's it, But that's.

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Speaker 1: Not when you want to be betting on a team

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Speaker 1: to get to double digit wins.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're on the same side on that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know which way you were going to go

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Speaker 1: because I know you're a little down on Burrow, but

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Speaker 4: I never yeah me being down, Bros. I have them

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Speaker 2: The Pittsburg Stealers.

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Speaker 3: Ah I hit that horn, Babe, Let's day.

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Speaker 1: It Stealers plus five point fifty to win the Division

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Speaker 1: twenty to one to win the Conference super Bowl forty one.

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Speaker 1: Win total eight and a half. Feels like we're getting

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Speaker 1: a Mike Tomlin balance at the eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: Their defense is great if if everyone is fat and

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Speaker 1: Watt, who by the way, is thirty one years old,

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Speaker 1: has a new deal. Cam Hayward a hold in only

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just an interesting build team like you talk about

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Speaker 4: the defense. I think it's one hundred and six two

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Speaker 4: being an Eagles fan, I think we're at maybe seventy million.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, are they ninety million dollars better than

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Speaker 4: the Eagles defense? Probably not, But that's how it is

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Speaker 4: when Chad Tuckler, you're paying older guys big contracts, and

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Speaker 4: you know, Cam Hayward, I'd be ripping my fucking hair

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Speaker 3: Who the fuck does this guy think?

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Speaker 4: He is signing a new deal last year now coming

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Speaker 4: out played that contract the year before.

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Speaker 3: Not getting weird, right, bizarre?

440
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: There must be something else because everything you've ever read

441
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 4: about Cam is he's like the man. He's a football

442
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 4: guys team first, Yeah, just the man. But you know

443
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: what is he thirty six thirty seven? He gets it

444
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 4: where he's like, that was probably as good as it

445
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: gets last year, and if I can get one more payday,

446
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: I might as well try it and try to be

447
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 4: a piece of shit about it. Where it's everyone else

448
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 4: on that team is just like, dude, we just paid TJ.

449
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 4: We've signed all these guys, I mean even like even

450
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 4: their kickers having some drama about money. So it's like,

451
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: what is going on with Pittsburgh. They try to be

452
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 4: good and pay their guys, and now all these other

453
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: players are thrown on their face being like I want more,

454
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: want I deserve more.

455
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: It's tough.

456
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: And again, this is another team that I wanted to

457
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 4: be on them as a sneaky team in this division

458
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 4: where it's like, you know, everyone's talking Ravens.

459
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: Bengals, Steelers, if Rogers.

460
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 4: You know, again, as much as people left him for dead,

461
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 4: he did look so much better that second half of

462
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: the season. He looked confident, pushing the ball downfield, pushing

463
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 4: off his back foot, where.

464
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 3: For the first eight nine weeks he did not do that.

465
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: He was very timid. And you know, we know the deal.

466
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: This is not Brady going to the Bucks. Rogers is

467
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: not built that way. He doesn't play the same style.

468
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: And you know, this is the guy that relied a

469
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: lot on his athleticism and that's gone. So now we're

470
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: sitting with a watch at a bottom, you know, not

471
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: top twenty, but maybe top twenty five quarterback. Like I'm

472
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: trying to think where I even fit in Rogers now.

473
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: And when I model this team out, my model doesn't

474
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: get the Tomlin effect.

475
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: You just nailed it.

476
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: Like my model has him at seven wins, so I

477
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: have him at a game and a half below it.

478
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: But a computer doesn't understand that Tomlin. It's he's a glitch.

479
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: There's nothing like in coaching wise, like this guy just

480
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 4: wille So what's.

481
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: The value of that though, Like to me, I think

482
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Speaker 1: they're giving him. You say they're at seven. I had

483
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: it at seven and a half, and I think they're

484
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: getting an extra game just because of Tomlin.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you think Rabel's worth two and

486
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: a half, Tomlin should be worth three to you, then Chad, Like,

487
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: as much as I want to give respect of Rabel,

488
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 4: Tomlin's that dude. And I know he doesn't have the success,

489
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: but it's like, dude, every year they throw out trash

490
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: at the quarterback position and he makes it work because

491
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 4: he just wills this team special teams, defense.

492
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: Whatever it is. So we know the deal.

493
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 4: Like this team, I think you just nailed it too,

494
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 4: where it's like you want to take a position later

495
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 4: and take their under. That was the move last year

496
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 4: and I hate that I missed it where we all

497
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: kind of started drinking the kool aid on you know,

498
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson because he came in he was so dynamic

499
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: and they kept winning after Justin Fields got benched. But

500
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: we kept saying ourselves, the number doesn't back it up.

501
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 4: When you dive into Russell Wilson, it's not it's just luck.

502
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 4: Like his fifty to fifty balls deep downfield. Eventually it's

503
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 4: gonna go the other way. And I think they went.

504
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was five straight games. They

505
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 4: just got worked. At the end of the season, they

506
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 4: couldn't cover either. So I look at this team that

507
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 4: if they just have a stable position player and Aaron

508
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 4: Rodgers the quarterback position and he can get the ball

509
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: to DK and they can make it work offensively, and

510
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: you know this rookie of the draft can be the

511
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: number one running back. Great, But like I have so

512
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 4: many questions about their offensive line. I have so many

513
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: questions about their run block and all the offensive line.

514
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 4: I just I can't get it get there and be excited.

515
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: So I'll bet the over out of respect to Tomlin.

516
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, like as we sit here right now, this

517
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: is another game where It's like I have two other teams.

518
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 4: I rather bet heavier on their win total the Bango's

519
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 4: under much rather bet that, and then we're about to

520
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: talk Cleveland.

521
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm just I'm.

522
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: Uninspired by Pittsburgh and I feel bad for their fans

523
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: where it's just you're just stuck in this middle, floating

524
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: around position and they basically they burned the boats, Chad.

525
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 4: Like I just talked about the Bengals missed their window,

526
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 4: this is Pittsburgh's window. Like they have a very old,

527
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: expensive defense that maybe one or two years here left,

528
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 4: Like you literally went out and got Sleigh. You know,

529
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: I love Sleigh obviously him and Ramsey. Yes, that could

530
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 4: be good cornerbacks or could be two dudes way over

531
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: the hill that are about to get absolutely cooked by

532
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 4: almost every team in their divisions wide receivers. So that's

533
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: that's the fear here is They're just a very old

534
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: team with a lot of guys who could get a

535
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: lot of injuries. So I just I can't get excited again.

536
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 4: Four to one Super Bowl odds. Who's betting that? Who's

537
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: betting Pittsburgh at four to one thinking they're gonna hold

538
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 4: up through the whole year in the AFC. I just

539
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: it's very bizarre with their team. I feel like back

540
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: in the day they would have been sixty or fifty

541
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 4: five to one. The books are just giving U shit

542
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: odds in the Super Bowl, So yeah, no better e other

543
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: than the win total.

544
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: Here feels very.

545
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Washington team formerly known as Mid nineteen nineties late nineteen nineties,

546
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: signing big name players who have long track records, hoping

547
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: that is the key.

548
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: When does this ever work out?

549
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: When do you ever sign a forty plus year old quarterback,

550
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: give up draft picks for a always disgruntled, high maintenance receiver,

551
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: and then go all in on two cornerbacks who have

552
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: been bouncing around in the latter stages of their career

553
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: because they might be in the latter stages of their career.

554
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: This has never worked in the history of football.

555
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: This has never worked.

556
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: That's why they just got to hope on Tomlin, Like

557
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: that's the whole team is just built around Tomlin. It

558
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: feels like where it's just you need to make all

559
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: these personalities work, and it's tough.

560
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not a recipe for success in

561
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. Last I checked, you actually have to have

562
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: good players.

563
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just it's brutal.

564
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of good players, how about those Cleveland Browns, cleve.

565
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: Len Rots, cleveln Rocks, Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks.

566
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Thirty to one to win the division. I had to

567
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: check that three times. There are one hundred to one

568
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: to win the conference, two hundred to one to win

569
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl win total four and a half tied

570
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: with the Giants for the longest division odds in the NFL.

571
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: It's a tricky one.

572
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: It's actually similar to the Giants, right because their defense

573
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: is so good, especially the defensive line. When you and

574
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I talked about the Giants during the nfca's preview, like,

575
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: we talked about their defensive line and they're how good

576
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: it is, especially with Dexter Lawrence. The Browns obviously have

577
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. We have a bias to the defense, but

578
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: last year we did get caught a couple of times,

579
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: like believing their defense would be good enough to keep

580
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: games close, and then the offense was just so incompetent

581
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: there was no saving this team. So, like Joe Flacco

582
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: is going to be the starting quarterback, I don't know

583
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: that I have more confidence in this team. Because he's

584
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: doing that right, Like, can they beat the Jets and

585
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: the Titans? Those are the games that like would maybe

586
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: you can circle them as wins, But I don't know, man,

587
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: you seem to have a strong opinion here.

588
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: I fucking love this Browns team, give me that over

589
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: four and a half.

590
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: I love this team so much.

591
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: And it's another team that people just they're out on them, right,

592
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: it's a gross team.

593
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: They got the QB drama right. They drafted these two

594
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: young kids. Even Chad was.

595
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: Like, no, it'll be Shador starting where I knew all along,

596
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Joe fucking Flacco. Man, it's just what

597
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: he does. Baby, He's just the contonment pro doesn't say much.

598
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: He's my favorite line he had where they were like, yeah,

599
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna mentor these guys and help.

600
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: Them out, and he goes, no, I'm this is my job.

601
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm here to win.

602
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: They want to copy me and watch how I go

603
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: about my business. That's how I mentor them. I'll show

604
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: on what it's like to be a professional quarterback. Was

605
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: he thirty nine years old? Thirty eight years old?

606
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's crazy that Joe is still in

607
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: the league, still a.

608
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: Starter, and the disrespect of this team is getting because

609
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: last year they had nothing at the quarterback position.

610
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: Joe is not nothing like.

611
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: Yes, you could say he was bad last year with

612
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: that Colts team, that to me was so much dysfunction

613
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: within the organization, where the Browns you could say they

614
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: had this sicks function.

615
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: I look at this. Fanski is a great coach.

616
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 4: I think he plays within a system that when a

617
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: quarterback can run his system, it's a good functioning system.

618
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: And their their offensive line isn't as bad as people

619
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: think it is. And Jerry Judy to me, is a

620
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: great super receiver, especially fantasy football this year.

621
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: This is a deep threat.

622
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: Think he might have fourteen hundred yards last year when

623
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: they again they had nothing at the quarterback.

624
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: Position last year.

625
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: So Jerry Judy a guy who was a number one

626
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: pick that Denver up offloaded and he went to the

627
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: Browns and you've seen the talent spark. You've not heard

628
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: a single thing about Jerry ju this offseeas you know why,

629
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: because he doesn't fuck around and do stupid shit in

630
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: the offseason. He just does work. And he's coming to

631
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: training camp and he's put in work and apparently him

632
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: in Flacco had a great connection. So to me, you know,

633
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: they've had a lot of the legal issues with this

634
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 4: rookie running.

635
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: Back they drafted.

636
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: It looks like it worked out that this kid is

637
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: going to be okay and be able to play football. Sure,

638
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: it might get suspended four games because you know, he

639
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: did some horrible shit in the NFL. Even though he's

640
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: not legally getting charged, the NFL might still punish him.

641
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: They still have other guys they drafted. There's other kids.

642
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: Sampson as a rookie. They have Ford, another running back

643
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: they could put in there. Okay, so there's our weapons there.

644
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: And now you think about their defense, Chad just nailed it,

645
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: like this defense might.

646
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: Be really good.

647
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: Like their question for their secondary, they've added pieces of

648
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: this offseason to the secondary to try to improve it.

649
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: And my favorite thing of reading about Eagles joint practice

650
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: with the Browns was you literally can't practice when Miles

651
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: Garrett's on the field because he ruined every single play.

652
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: You can never run a play with him on the field.

653
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: And didn't matter when they had Lane Johnson out there

654
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: in Malata, he was beating those guys And a lot

655
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 4: of joke they were like, hey, Lota, can you take

656
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: anything away from playing against a guy like Miles Garrett

657
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: goes no, because he does think that no other human

658
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Speaker 4: on this planet can do that. Plays football like no

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Speaker 4: one else can throw me back five feet with one

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Speaker 4: arm while spinning the other way and going around me.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, you have the guys up front again.

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Speaker 4: In the draft, they went out and tried to draft

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Speaker 4: guys on the front line again. They traded down to

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Speaker 4: get more equity for next year because they're they're what

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Speaker 4: the general public things, right. Their a team that views

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Speaker 4: them as being a bad team. The front office doesn't

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Speaker 4: have high hopes for this team. But to me, that's

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Speaker 4: the type teams I like. Were inside guys like Flack

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Speaker 4: when other guys they believe in this team.

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Speaker 3: So there's another team.

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Speaker 4: Where it's like, Okay, if you want to bet the

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Speaker 4: win total, I get it, but it's four and a half.

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Speaker 4: Like they can find four and a half wins with

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Speaker 4: a veteran quarterback and a veteran defense like this and

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Speaker 4: a good head coach. Like they're even Week one against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 4: I think they're five and a half or six point dog.

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Speaker 4: We've seen Cincinnati come out slow, and I know they've

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Speaker 4: tried to be playing guys in spring training and so

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Speaker 4: they're up to speed.

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Speaker 3: Joe Flackoll might throw for.

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Speaker 4: Three hundred and fifty yards against this defense, like they're

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Speaker 4: this might end up being a shootout, and who has

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00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: the better defense by far, it's going to be this

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Speaker 4: Brown team even get stops, and I feel like a

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00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: lot of games this year they will be able to

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Speaker 4: get stops defensively and be able to move the ball offensively.

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Speaker 4: So I know it's gross and it's ugly looking, but

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Speaker 4: I really like the four and a half And I

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Speaker 4: can't be what I'm saying to do it, but you

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Speaker 4: have to because it's thirty to one.

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Speaker 3: You have to throw a dollar on this division A

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Speaker 3: lots like you have to do.

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Speaker 4: It where there is a world where Lamar, who plays

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Speaker 4: a very aggressive style, does get banged up. And there

695
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: is a world where we talked about the Bengals are

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00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: just not that good of a team in Pittsburgh is

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Speaker 4: maybe a nine win team. The Browns could get there.

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Speaker 4: Like I know, people just don't believe them. It's just

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Speaker 4: hard to squinch your eye and see it. But it's

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Speaker 4: like if you have a good defense. If you have

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Speaker 4: a good offensive line and everyone's healthy, that has such

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Speaker 4: a huge advantage end of the season where so many

703
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: teams are dealing with injuries and injuries to important positions

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: heading into the season, where the Browns really don't have that,

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: Like all the dramas kind of media made up where

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00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel and Shador they were never gonna be the starters.

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00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: They're fighting for that number two jobs. So I just

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Speaker 4: love how it's lined up in position for this Browns team.

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00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: And you know, it's the fact that it's four and

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Speaker 4: a half. This is a team I'll bet the adjusted total.

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Speaker 4: I'll adjust to take the six and a half and

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00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: plus two hundred over, Like that's just a fun bet

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Speaker 4: to make where if I think this team's gonna pop,

714
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: I think they'll pop to that over. So yeah, this

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00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: is a team that was five and a half. The

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Speaker 4: pros the general public for the most part of bet

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: this down because I think most of them thought it

718
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: was gonna be Shador or Dylan Gabriel to be the starter.

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Speaker 4: And now that it's Flacco. How can you not love

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: this team at four and a half win total, I

721
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: love the value. So again, I don't have them grated

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00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: at like ten wins. I have them five and a

723
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: half wins, so it's not crazy. But I don't think

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00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: my computer really understands how important is I have a

725
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: veteran quarterback like Flaco, with a great offensive mind like Stefanski,

726
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: and again two years ago, this is a duo that

727
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: made the playoffs.

728
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: Like this is a.

729
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: Taantum that works, and we've seen it work before. So

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Speaker 4: I just think people are too low on this team

731
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Speaker 4: for all the scars they had last year, where it's

732
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: a new year and they're not as bad as people perceive.

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Speaker 1: Strong opinion on the Cleveland Browns very strong. It seems

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Speaker 1: like our best bets are clearly Cleveland Brown's over four

735
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: and a half the Bengals under nine and a half.

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Speaker 2: I also like a Ravens Super Bowl matchup.

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Speaker 1: I think probably like Ravens Lions super Bowl matchup. Bet

738
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to bet Ravens Lions, Ravens Eagles,

739
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: probably Ravens Niners as part of my Super Bowl matchup

740
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: round robin. Do you have a specific team you would

741
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: match them with?

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Speaker 3: Don't hate it, you just you know my feeling about

743
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: playoff golf. Yeah, I know, but I don't mind it.

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00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: Like again, I've I have done Ravens Eagles, I've done

745
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Ravens forty nine ers, I've done Ravens Rams. So I'm

746
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: with you where it's like as much shit as I

747
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: like talking about Lamar, it's like paying Manning, payon Manning

748
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: for seven years, couldn't get out of the shadow of

749
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: Brady and eventually he breaks through. And it's just it's

750
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: only a matter of time for josh Alla Lamar as

751
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: they're in their prime, the talent's there. Can they show

752
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: up in the playoffs and the biggest moments and live

753
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: up to it. So I'm with you on bet and

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00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: Ravens futures. It's like, don't bet them, you know, just

755
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: to win the Super Bowl's plus six fifty.

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Speaker 3: That's a stupid bet. Bet the matchups people.

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