1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: There's so many possibilities, and there's no sense in getting 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: all stressed out about it going super wrong. I think 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: so many people care so deeply about it going right 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: that I feel good about our chances. 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: Today we're hanging out with Nico Moon. I love this guy. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: He has a song called good Time We're just trying 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: to have a good time. But there's a whole lot 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: more to him than just that song. Before he became 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: a solo star, he was behind some of the biggest 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: songs ever for Zach Brown Band just as a writer. 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: It's got a new record that we're going to talk 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: about called Roots that I think you will really like, 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: and it's personal project about his family growing up in 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Georgia and the people who shaped him. But again, he 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: has written so many massive songs. He's had songs for 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: himself that have been really big, and we're going to 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: talk about all of that. And this guy is such 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: a ball of energy. Here's my conversation with Nico Moon. Nico, 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: good to see you. 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Great to see you too. 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: Man. Do you ever write a song and then go 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: back once you've separated it from it and go I 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: don't know if I like if I love that as much. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: All the time. Really, yeah, a lot of times it'll 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: just be like a part of it, you know. In 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: the moment when we wrote it, I'm like, oh my god, 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: I love this verse that actually happened on one of 28 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: the songs, and I think it was on Lakeside summer, 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: And after like a week or two of listening listening 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: to it, I was like, I don't like this verse. 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: This is this melody is corny? What was I thinking? 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: You know? And it's so funny because in the moment 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was so great, but then after living 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: with it, So it's funny how time or hindsight can 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: sometimes be twenty twenty for sure with songwriting. If you 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: don't figure, I like to tweet, go back and twet 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: oh you big time. I'm a tweaker man. Yeah. 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: Is that? 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Do your other writer friends know you as that? Like 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: he likes it now, but he's probably gonna go back 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: into it like ten times. 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Man, If you were probably to ask, like other people 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: that write with me a lot, they would say that 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: I have a tendency to kind of like to grind. 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Like sometimes a writer may be like once an hour, 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, let's take five or ten and 47 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: just go outside get some coffee. And I'm always like 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: the one that's like, no, let's just like stick it 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: out till we get this, after this line, after this time, 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: we'll take a break, you know. And it turns into 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: like another hour and they're like, bro, let's get so much. 52 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm hungry. And I kind of like never want to 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: like give up on like an idea and stuff. So 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I just kind of try to like batter my way 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: through things. Sometimes everybody's kind of got their own way 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: of going about it, but I find my tendency to 57 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of like try to push through things like that. 58 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: Because this record definitely has a perspective. Yeah, did you 59 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 2: find yourself writing to that perspective or did you write 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: a bunch of songs that kind of fit where you were? 61 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you just kind of like look back 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: and say, wow, this. 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: Body of work reflects Yeah, Like what about this? 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: I captured a moment. It was a little bit and 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dodge it. I just felt like 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: it was a little bit of both. I felt like 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: I captured a moment because I made this album in 68 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: a way I never had before, which is that I 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: made it on the road. I've always like, when I'm home, 70 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: go over to somebody's studio at their house, or they'll 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: come over to my house and we'll write, you know. 72 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: But I did everything on the tour bus or in 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: green rooms, and so when I'm on the road, I'm 74 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: in like music mode. Like at home, I'm in fam time, 75 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: and then like I get on that bus and like 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: the flip switches and it's like music, music, music, music, music, right. 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: And so it was awesome because during the day, I'm like, 78 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm at the venue. I'm like, let's do this, 79 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: because I'm hanging out anyway, I'm just waiting for the 80 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: It's basically a bunch of hurry up and wait, we 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: sound check, and then we're just kind of like, oh, 82 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. So to be able to write 83 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: in that environment was really exciting for me. And I 84 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: wrote the whole album in two months, and so it 85 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: was this hyper concentrated, like capturing a moment in time. 86 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: While at the same time, I had a very clear 87 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: concept before the first song that I wanted to make 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: this an origin story album about all the things that 89 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: have kind of like made me who I am, the 90 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: roots of who I am, you know, so like who 91 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: I Love, you know, songs like rich Man, how I Live, 92 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, Lakeside Summer and things like that, Where I 93 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: come from Georgia, just all the kind of things that 94 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: make me the person I am. But most importantly, I 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: would say what I believe, you know, like somewhere, somehow, 96 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: some way, the mental health songs, you know, the power 97 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: positivity threads on the album, you know, I really just 98 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: wanted to get to the root of myself with this album. 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: That's why I took off the Hawaiian and the hat, 100 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of the imagery is just me, 101 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: either with like a tank top or just like no 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: shirt and shorts and stuf, because I wanted to just 103 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: kind of like strip all that off and kind of 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: like visually say to everybody, I'm kind of taking it 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: down to the bare bones here so that I can 106 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: tell you all the story. It's just me, like where 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: I come from, what I'm about, you know, and the 108 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: whys behind this album, behind my music in journal, the 109 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: whole passion for positivity, you know. I think we talked 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: touched on that a little bit when we were hanging 111 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: out a few months ago. Why do I care so 112 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: much about this sort of message, you know, Why do 113 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: you care so much? I care so much about it 114 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: because so much of my life has been a walk 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: with mental health. It's occupied a lot of my time 116 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to do life well, you know, 117 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: and I haven't always known how to navigate that territory, 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I think, in a healthy way, And so through throughout 119 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: my life, I've just kind of been picking it up 120 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: as I go, like we all do, right, But whenever 121 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: I would, you know, have moments of difficulty, moments of 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: tribulation that we all go through, you know, from time 123 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: to time, I would just kind of like really flounder 124 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: my way through it and picked up a lot of 125 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: scars along the way and a lot of bad habits, 126 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: and then I would medicate my way through it in 127 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: really unhealthy ways, you know, and eventually kind of come 128 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: into that self realization of the way I was going 129 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: about trying to trying to do life well and find 130 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: like the best version of myself and life and all 131 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: that good stuff. I was going about it in just 132 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: a really backwards way, and I needed to kind of 133 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: start all over and reevaluate things, and I really needed help. 134 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: I felt like I had like it had been so 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: much accumulation of bad decisions and wrong terms that I 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: had this not tangled up in my mind, and I 137 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: needed someone to help me untangle it, you know, and 138 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: because I didn't know to do it myself. And so 139 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: when I was able to sit down with somebody with 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: a therapist, they were able to help me do it myself. 141 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: I entangled it, not but they were kind of help 142 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: helping me along the way, giving me these tools, you know, 143 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: like visualization or like breathing techniques or all the you know, 144 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: this one thing called the worry chair, which you know, 145 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of my time in tomorrow. I'm 146 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a warr work and I got 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety in me, and so I'm always 148 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: concerned about what's coming, Is everything going to be all right? 149 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: And stuff like that. And you know, little practices like that, 150 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: like when you feel that feeling of warring, it's because 151 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: well you immediately dwell on it and ruminate on it 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: because you're not good at compartmentalizing. And we've always kind 153 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: of took that as like a bad word, but it's 154 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: not a bad word. You know, sometimes you need to 155 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: be able to put things in their place, you know, 156 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: so that you can be at your best in a 157 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: situation where you don't need to be worrying about that stuff, like, 158 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: for instance, when you're with your daughter and you're playing 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: with her, you know, you don't want to be stressing 160 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: about is everything gonna go good with the album? Or 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, how's this upcoming tour gonna do? 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: You know? 163 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: Or people gonna still show up because us artists, we're 164 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: so insecure about nature. Or speaking for myself, I know 165 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: I am, you know, And so I would just whenever 166 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: I'd have that thought, I would push it out and 167 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: save it for the warry chair. And the warr chair 168 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: would just be a thirty minute moment in my day 169 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: where I'd sit in a chair, preferably a highly uncomfortable one, 170 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: because you say, if you get comfortable in the chair, 171 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna help you with You're gonna want to start 172 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: ruminating suff cause you're gonna fel comftable, So sitting something 173 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and make that your time to worry about things, 174 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: and then when you're done, you're done. Because most people 175 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: they kind of think about what is going on that's 176 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: difficult in life and what moves they need to make, 177 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: and then you've kind of thought about it, You've decided 178 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: what you need to do, and now it's time to 179 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: move on. But a lot of us don't, I know, 180 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, even though I've kind of made 181 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: my plan, I said, still kind of like put it 182 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: on repeat, you know. And there's a million little tools 183 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: like that that I picked up along the way that 184 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: really helped me and through the process of kind of 185 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: finding myself again. I was doing some soul searching on 186 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: at the same time about really what I wanted my 187 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: music to be about. And because this was about the 188 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: time I wanted to start putting out my own music, 189 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: and I knew in a very very deep place that 190 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to make music that was therapeutic, you might say, 191 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 1: you know. And I knew that I couldn't have the 192 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: kind of conversations that my therapist was able to have 193 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: with me because I got my own unique set of skills, 194 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: you know. But I was like, maybe I can take 195 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: what I do in music and it can still be 196 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: like therapy in its own way, you know, it can 197 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: be musical therapy, you know. And so that's what I've 198 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: set my whole life out to be, you know, making 199 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: therapeutic music, and then when someone needs a little bit 200 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: more than a positive song, they need a positive conversation. 201 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: That's what the foundation's for, you know, the Happy Cowboy 202 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: Foundation that helps people get therapy who can't afford it. 203 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: Because for so long I couldn't afford it, man, and 204 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I really needed the conversation, and so when I got it, 205 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: I felt so much gratitude because as anyone who's listening 206 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: right now, you know what it's like when life feels 207 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: like super overwhelming, and when you're able to like lower 208 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: that pressure in the mind, it's like you just feel 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: so grateful that like you're back, you know, to living again, 210 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: and just wanting to give that to anybody who's feeling 211 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: that way, you know, bring that peace of mind back 212 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: to them. And so that's what it's about. Man. 213 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: My therapist has a different chair for me. It's funny. 214 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: They use chairs like they find what we need and 215 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: use it as a chair. Mine is an appreciation chair, 216 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: and because I oftentimes don't really appreciate the things even 217 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: that I've accomplished, because I'm worried that it's going to 218 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: all fall apart. And so I got to focus on 219 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: the next thing. I can never appreciate the moment that 220 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm in because I'm going if I don't use this 221 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: moment to capitalizing it to the next moment, I'm going 222 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: to lose it all. 223 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: It's going to be over. 224 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: And so anytime something good happens to me or I'm 225 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: in a moment where I'm like this is good, my 226 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: brain wants to run away from it and to go, 227 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: don't enjoy it because it's not gonna be here long. 228 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: You got to make sure. 229 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: So I have to have my appreciation share where I 230 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: go and just take a minute and go, this is 231 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: why this is awesome right now, and I just appreciate 232 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: the moment, yeah, and just acknowledge that it's okay to 233 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: feel good about it. 234 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's okay to celebrate. Yeah. 235 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: I remedially struggle with that. 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: I do too. That's funny you bring it up, because 237 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: I was wondering, like, do you think it's cuz you 238 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: grew up. 239 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: For sure broke it's all yeah, everybody, I think that's 240 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: why I do it. 241 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: Same. 242 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: Everybody has their own traumise, and mine just happens to 243 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: be that where I think, if I don't do everything 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: exactly right. And I don't continue pushing as hard as 245 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: I can, I'm gonna end up where I started. 246 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that feeling of being broke is so miserable, 247 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: it's almost like sickening. I remember, like the feeling of 248 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: like not have enough money to like, you know, pay 249 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: for the utilities, or like how we gonna how are 250 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: we gonna keep the food rocking? I guess we're just 251 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: going to be figuring out what some romen, you know. 252 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: And that feeling and not having no money was just 253 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: like not almost nauseating, you know. And there's this like 254 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: deep fear inside of me that like, yeah, it could 255 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: somehow go back to that, but now I got a 256 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: wife and kids, and so it's just like, oh no, 257 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, and just you know, it's illogical. It's that 258 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: fear part of the brain. I guess, you know, just 259 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: talking to you, you know that inner voice in the head, 260 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: you know that we just got a quiet. Now what 261 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: would we. 262 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: Talk about if we didn't talk about music? 263 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: Like what do you love? 264 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: That's not music? Because I feel like when we talk a. 265 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Lot, no one ever asked me that has it. I 266 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: don't know if anyone's ever asked me, Like what am 267 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: I into? 268 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: Like, that's not what you're known for. 269 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it might sound corny, but it is real. I 270 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: love to learn bro like big time. Like I'm constantly 271 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: listening to podcasts, watching documentaries. And it's funny because growing 272 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: up as a kid, I did not enjoy school. I 273 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: was always tired. I just remember like I could never 274 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: stay awake. Maybe it was just like, you know, the 275 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: cocoa pebbles or whatever that was in my system was 276 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: not giving me the nutrients and vitamins I needed to 277 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: learn what was happening at school, but I could just 278 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: not get interested in school very much at all. Every 279 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: once in a while I find a subject that I 280 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: found interesting, but for the most part I was kind 281 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: of checked out. And now I just am such a 282 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: curious person. I just love to learn it. Like right now, 283 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm listening to this Lex Friedman podcast interview on the 284 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: Byzantine Empire. It's like I don't know why, Like I 285 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: don't know why I want to know about it, but 286 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: I was just scrolling through. I was like, I don't 287 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: know nothing about that. Let's learn he wears a suit, right, Yeah, 288 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: he's always wearing a suit. Yeah. Some people kind of 289 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: find it a little dry, but I like it, man, 290 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: But it's only only like his podcast when I'm like 291 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: really in the mood to learn, Like I can't be 292 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: like about to go to bed or like halfway interested 293 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: in wanting to learn something, like I got to be 294 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: like all right, like I almost borderline want to go 295 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: to class right now. Yeah, because he's so heady and 296 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: those podcasts are so heady. But man, I listened to 297 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: like a lot of health and wellness ones or I 298 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: love Diary of a CEO. I think that one's great, 299 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: just like nice and conversational, and then of course like 300 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: music ones like this, and theo's podcast is great. So man, 301 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm rarely like turning on the TV these days. 302 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm more of like turning on the podcast. 303 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 304 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 305 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: We don't even watch television. It's not on demand, meaning 306 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: if it's anything, and especially with a new baby, we'll watch. 307 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: We'll try to watch something together, at least the first 308 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: half of something once the baby goes to sleep. But 309 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: I me too, I'm just always searching for like podcasts 310 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: to learn from it sometimes I go to sleep listening 311 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: to them, but I listen to podcasts a lot. 312 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I love that, man. I listen to are you interested 313 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: in like AI? And oh Man, all of that stuff. 314 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm super interested in it. And there's this one podcast 315 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: called Moonshots that that's the whole premise of the podcast 316 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: is kind of it's a once a week episode, kind 317 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: of like what happened in AI this past week, And 318 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: I love that one. 319 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: Man. 320 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: I'll put that one on at night sometimes and just 321 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: listen to what's coming next year and the year after that, 322 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: because I feel like every time I listen to one 323 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: of those episodes i'm listen, I might as well just 324 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: be watching Star Trek. With what they're talking about. 325 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: I'm really rooting for AI being net gain more positive 326 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: than negative, because I think it has the potential. 327 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: As it could go so good or so bad. It could. 328 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: It very much feels like what they were warning us 329 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: about the Internet way back in the day, because I 330 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: remember the conversations being man, if the Internet is everywhere, 331 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: people aren't even gonna read books, the Internet's gonna do everything. 332 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: The Internet's gonna have creeps and all. That's true, However, 333 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: but the Internet can also be used for really. 334 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: Great things good. 335 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: And what I'm hoping, especially with AI, is that, yeah, 336 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: almost AI can right itself, like it understands because we 337 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: as humans are so flawed and we chase whatever selfishly 338 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: fulfills us. Hopefully, hopefully computers don't need that. 339 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: Or maybe it can help us with it, even in 340 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and I've been able to have figured 341 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: out all the way from the Byzantine times and now 342 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: we still you know, are struggling with you know, our 343 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: selfish nature and all that kind of stuff. And maybe 344 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: it can give us some advice or something. 345 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: And I don't know, she should kill all the bad ones. 346 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many possibilities, and there's no sense in 347 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: getting all stressed out about it going super wrong. I 348 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: think so many people care so deeply about it going 349 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: right that I feel good about our chances. But you know, 350 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: we are projecting here into the future on what's going 351 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: to happen, and I think, because it is we are 352 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: about to go to Star Trek, We're living in like 353 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: the most interesting time man. 354 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: I don't think there was ever a single part of 355 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: history where people didn't sit back and go we're living 356 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: in it. This is the craziest time ever. 357 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: Industrial Revolution. We got cars and railroads and all this stuff, 358 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: and I think the world's changing, you know, like you 359 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: said the Internet. 360 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: When John Henry's banging it out that we're doing a podcast, going, 361 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: can you believe it railroad versus John Henry, This is 362 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: the craziest time ever. 363 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, so true. 364 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: When the printing press is, you know, invented, they're going, 365 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, we're mask creating all these papers. We're 366 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: going to lose all these jobs. Whenever the Internet happens, 367 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: We're going to lose all Whenever the assembly line's created, 368 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: We're going to lose all these jobs. And I'm hoping 369 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: this is just another one of those dots. 370 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: Me too, that new jobs are are going to get 371 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: created from this new industry that's coming about, which I 372 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: definitely think is going to happen. 373 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: I agree, And then I also hope, like the sam 374 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: Altman's of the world are actually decent people. Yeah, I 375 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: don't know, they seem like such super villains if you 376 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: just believe the Internet, like they're just chasing the billions 377 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: and billions of dollars and they're creating you know, open 378 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: AI was originally supposed to be something that was for 379 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: the people and they weren't going to profit off of it, 380 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: and now it isn't. I mean, it definitely is. So 381 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: I'm just going in, are these are these super hugo 382 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: so much? 383 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: You know? 384 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: And they're building bunkers in New Zealand and Hawaii. Sam 385 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: Alma moved to freaking Argentina. He moved his family from 386 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: America down to Argentina. I saw that why is he 387 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: doing that? 388 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: Why you do it? What's what do you know that 389 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: that we don't know? Yeah, I think about that stuff too, 390 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: and I think about it a lot with music, you know, obviously, 391 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: and how it's going to impact our industry, and you know, 392 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: because now there's sooner, you know, and everybody's playing with it. 393 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, you'll hear something on Suno that 394 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: sounds pretty good and it's like the music is getting good, 395 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: but I feel like the lyrics and the melody are 396 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: still kind of behind. 397 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: Explain Soono though to people that are wanting. 398 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, So for anybody that doesn't know Sono, it's basically 399 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: where you can put in maybe some a lyrical idea 400 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: that you came up with, or if you just kind 401 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: of like, have this idea in your head of a 402 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: song and you can kind of just sing into the 403 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: app and it will literally create you a full on 404 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: track that has a professional sound and singer on it. 405 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds almost like a radio track. It's 406 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: still not there. There's still some things about it that 407 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: sound a little amateurist, I would say, you know, but man, 408 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: it's come a long way in the past few years, 409 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: and in a couple of years from now, I don't 410 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: know if it's if we're going to be able to 411 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: tell the difference. But the lyrics have always been the 412 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: thing that I've noticed that it struggles with. And then 413 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: when you ever like try to say, like, hey, give 414 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: me like the best lyrics you could possibly country lyrics 415 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: you could possibly do for a song into chatter Claude, 416 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: It's never at that level of like a pro songwriter. 417 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: But I've been noticing it getting better and better. 418 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: Because it's learning, right, Like the more you use it, 419 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: the more it learns. Yes, the better it gets the 420 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 2: more you use it, because it got better the more 421 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: it learns, right. 422 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: And I know everybody's saying that, yeah, but you can't 423 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: have taste a I can't have taste so it'll ever 424 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: be as good. And I'm just like, I don't know, man, 425 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: I really don't like, I don't know, in a couple 426 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: of years, it's gonna be able to write a song 427 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: that is as good as like a professional songwriter could 428 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: have wrote it. Am I. I feel like a little 429 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: egotistical saying that we'll always be able to beat it, 430 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's got me thinking a lot 431 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: about the music that I'm making and what makes us 432 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: specialist human beings, you know, in this sphere of music. 433 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: When ay I's going to be able to create so 434 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: much music that's so fantastic, I'm sure we're going to 435 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: be going on to our streaming platforms and there might 436 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: be two pasts we choose. We can click on human 437 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: artists or AI artists, you know, and far as what 438 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: we want to listen to. And maybe the next generation 439 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: that comes up, they're going to come up growing up 440 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: that being normal to have AI artists that they're a 441 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: fan of and human artists. It's just kind of like 442 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: both for them, you know, and maybe for us too 443 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: one day. And I think that the more more things 444 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: get digital and less human, you might say, the more 445 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: the human things of this world. Are we going to 446 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: become more valuable to us and more meaningful? You know, 447 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: knowing that a song came from a human being and 448 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: then maybe seeing a human being do it in person. 449 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: You know, that's something that I think is still probably 450 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: a ways away from a robot being able to sit 451 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: down and perform a live show and a human being 452 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: ever feeling deeply connected to that. 453 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: The live show is interesting because in the end, like 454 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: song creation, I feel like a consumer just wants whatever 455 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: is best. They don't The consumer doesn't really care. They 456 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: just want to have what makes them feel the most meaning. 457 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 2: If they don't know, I'm music interesting and they get 458 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: I would say that most people don't understand how songs 459 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: are written and recorded because unless you're in the space, 460 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 2: you really don't know. 461 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that because I remember before 462 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: I understood how it worked, before I knew how to 463 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: write a song, and I would just watch my dad 464 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: play the drums or play guitar and just felt like 465 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: I was watching magic happen. And when I would listen 466 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: to songs, I'm just feeling all of it at one time, 467 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: without understanding anything about how this was possibly constructed, it 468 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: made and now kind of like, you know, being a 469 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: recipe maker myself, you know, I can't help. But when 470 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: I listen to music. Whenever I turned on country radio, 471 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the first thing I'm doing is my producer songwriter mine 472 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: comes on, and I'm thinking about the lyrics and how 473 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: it was written, and Oh, I like that trump, So 474 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I wonder how they got that snare to sound like that. 475 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I wonder what compressor they're using on it or something 476 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: like that, you know, and like just I am analyzing 477 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: it basically. 478 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: You know. 479 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why when me and my 480 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: wife are at the house and we're just like cooking, 481 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I'll throw on some like, oh, jazz from like the 482 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: thirties or the forties, because I don't understand jazz music, 483 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, at all, and the way that they re 484 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: quarded back then was so different how we do it 485 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: now that when I listen to that music, my brain 486 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: shuts off the analyzing part and I'm listening back when 487 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: I was a kid and just hearing it like that, 488 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: you know. So I totally feel you that. I think 489 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: most people out there, they're just they're just going off 490 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: of the vibe of it. 491 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Right That Puerto Rico song wasn't that AI. 492 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: Oh really wasn't the. 493 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico song Full AI? And I don't think most 494 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: people know that, But I didn't know that. They're they're 495 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: not in the weeds of it, and they're not supposed 496 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: to know that, right. I think what we enjoy is 497 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: what makes us feel things, and AI are not. If 498 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: it makes us feel as a consumer, we want it, 499 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: we want it, we want to give it to us. 500 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: But I think about the live show. Oh, that's something 501 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: that really can't be replicated, because you can't really fake 502 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: a live performance of something. Yeah. 503 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could put some like some holograms up there, 504 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, dancing Michael Jackson's time or whatever, and do 505 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: some sort of things like that maybe, but man, yeah, 506 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: there's something uniquely special about a live show that's going 507 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: to be really hard to replicate. 508 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean it, eventually the little trick 509 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 2: is still scam us with a. 510 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: Well maybe even eventually, these like optimist robots and all 511 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: these things they'll have like chuck e cheese like rappers 512 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: for him, you know that look like so that they'll 513 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: look like real human beings, and then when they're performing 514 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: you won't be able to tell you know it looks 515 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: like a real human, But I don't know if like 516 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: that this next generation, maybe like the kids that are 517 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: five and ten years old now, if they'll even care, 518 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, if it's a human or not. You just 519 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: talked about it. I want to think that they do, 520 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: because I know that I do. We're all I think 521 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: thinking about it where they're consciously or subconsciously and so 522 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: writing songs that maybe deal with the humanity of all 523 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: of it and how the human experience is kind of 524 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: shifting now and what does that mean for us as 525 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: human beings? Like, you know, I think we're all kind 526 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: We're like, am I going to have a job ten 527 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: years from now? You know? What is the world going 528 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: to look like? All of these kind of like little 529 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: existential crisises that we're having because of this, you know, 530 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: impending new sort of reality that we're coming into. And 531 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: as storytellers, I think, you know, it's important for us 532 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: to talk about what's going on, you know, not you know, 533 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: not just maybe in maybe our romantic life or something, 534 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: but on the large scale of things, you know. And 535 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: so I've been trying to think about, like, how do 536 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: I talk about this, you know, and make it a 537 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: conversation in a song that feels engaging and connective and stimulating, 538 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe gets the listener thinking, you know about 539 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: these sort of questions, you know, because I think they're 540 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: important ones for us to ask, because we're kind of 541 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: creating this super thing that we don't even know if 542 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: we're going to be able to control, and it's going 543 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: to change, change the whole way that we live, and 544 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: we just start talking about it, you know. 545 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: I feel like when they started to print books, everyone 546 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: that was great at spoken word worried that they wouldn't 547 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: be able to do their job anymore. Well, no one's 548 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: gonna care about people doing spoken word, and that's what 549 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: we're so good at. We're going to lose all of 550 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: our jobs. My hope, my hope is that this is 551 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: just another one of those and it's happened over and 552 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: over again where something's always come into replace because technology 553 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: is always getting better. We are moving faster, but we've 554 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: always been moving faster, and so yeah, the next generation 555 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: that comes along, I think we'll just look at AI 556 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: as a tool. Yeah, And I think that's where we thrust. 557 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Till we've ever had in our toll and we can 558 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: pull up. 559 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, doctors are now using these humanoid robots for surgeries. 560 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: And the great thing about that is that these humanoid 561 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: ros bots that are doing surgeries as a tool for 562 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: the doctors, they don't have bad days, they don't shake, 563 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: they they're way more precise. You're still using it. 564 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: May get good sleep the night before, and. 565 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 2: They've didn't fight with their husband or wife before they 566 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: went into surgery, and now they're having a bad day 567 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: and thinking about something like robots don't. They don't have 568 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: that problem. So if they're used as a tool alongside 569 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: what we can do as humans, I think it can 570 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: make life so much better across the board and hopefully 571 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: fix poverty, hopefully fix all of these things that we 572 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: have not been able to fix for generations. 573 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: I've been able to figure out. 574 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: So that's medicine. 575 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: Some of these AI labs are like starting to develop 576 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical divisions because they're supposedly going to be creating some 577 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: large language models that they're not going to release to 578 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: the public that they're going to create specifically for developing 579 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: new medicines and finding out what bringing on, like yes, 580 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: bring us the cure for cans, and yeah, heure for 581 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and all this stuff. 582 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: But then I figure it, well, they probably kept the 583 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: cure from cancer for us from us anyway, big farming 584 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: and so now that. 585 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: But man, everything's on the table these days. You know, 586 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: they take conspiracy theories used to be a bad word 587 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: now and it's like, if you don't at least believe 588 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: in one conspiracy theory, are you even paid attention anymore? 589 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, I think a lot of it. AI 590 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: now also they have AI that can do voices like 591 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: my voice. They can replicate my voice right on ninety 592 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 2: eight percent with how I talk, what I say, I 593 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: just read, you know, thirty six sounds into a microphone, 594 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: and they can replicate me doing anything and not even replicay. 595 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: They can create me doing something I've never even done before. 596 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: We're done, and that's odd. But if we run from it, 597 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: it's going to be like folks that ran from streaming 598 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: and napster. You know, those bands that said we don't 599 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: want digital, we're out. This is not for us. We're 600 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: fighting it with technology. You can either embrace it and 601 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: not think that it's totally good. I think there's some 602 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: good here, or you can fight it and be left behind. 603 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: Right and it's to. 604 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 2: That point now with AI. Yeah, as a creator. 605 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: And I understand that conflicting feeling of it all that 606 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people are feeling you know. 607 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: Fully, but you can either get on and use it 608 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: to make you better or you can get left behind. 609 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: By it totally. You're absolutely right, you know. And I 610 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: was thinking about when you were saying how your voice 611 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: can be replicated now and I've been hearing that here 612 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: in town with songs that are being pitched to artists, 613 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: that one of the guys in the room will sing 614 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: the demo and then they'll transfer it over into Jelly 615 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: Roller Morgan's voice or something, so that when they hear 616 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: that song pitch to them, they're actually. 617 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: Hearing themselves singing it. Yes, that's happened, happening more and 618 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: more like it's really happening. 619 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what a cool tool is. Yeah, but now 620 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: you can really hear yourself singing it. So if you're 621 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: an artist who's taking pit songs for you, you know, 622 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: now you're really able to hear like what you would 623 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: sound like singing it, you know, make probably make better 624 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: choices on what songs you want to cut. 625 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 3: Or the Bobby cast will be right back this is 626 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: the Bobby cast. 627 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: It's almost we we're gonna have to trust each other 628 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: to commit to not cheating by using it, but it 629 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: can also make us way better. Meaning if you get 630 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: a song and you're gonna someone pitches you at your songwriter. 631 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: Let's just say someone pitches you this song that you're 632 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: in love with, and like Nico, we put your voice 633 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: on this, listen to how you would sound. We're gonna 634 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: have to trust it. You don't go, that's so good, 635 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: just put that out right? 636 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because it's so true, because you're right. 637 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, at a certain point, artists will be like, 638 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: if the AI can maybe even sing better than me, 639 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: And then I go into the studio and I record 640 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: for like three hours this vocal and it's ninety percent 641 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: as good as the AI one. What does that mean 642 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: for music? 643 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: And I feel like this quote cheating is the same 644 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 2: thing in the same struggle that people had when like 645 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: auto tune happened. 646 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: Yeah going, oh, that's not real. 647 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: You're making somebody sound like they don't even sound. 648 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: They don't really can sing that one. 649 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: It's an elevated version of that. It's just another tool, 650 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: and everybody use everybody. I just use that across the board, 651 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: even though not everybody does. But it's some sort of 652 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: pitch too. I mean, who doesn't fix the little quirks. 653 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: It turned out it's just being this random thing that 654 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: a couple people were using, almost like as an effect, 655 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: like sharing t pain. 656 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: Share was the first one tell yeah, and now. 657 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: It's like yeah, it's like it's so common, you know. 658 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: And it's just dialed back really far to where does 659 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: and give that like really aggressive sound. It's just dialed 660 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: back so like if you slightly kind of go out 661 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: of tune, it kind of pulls it back in. You know. 662 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna have like chat gpt write a country song. 663 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: I think that's a funny like experiment that yeah I can. 664 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: I'll just give it a premise. So I'm gonna say, 665 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: write me a country song with the premise of what's 666 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: the prims? How about let's do so cliche. A guy 667 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: is sad because his girl left him and the only 668 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: thing he has is the shirt on his back and 669 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: the truck that he's driving. 670 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Let's call it the song cliche or so cliche. 671 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: And okay, and make it as cliche as possible. 672 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 1: Now, which one are you asking? Well? 673 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: I'm asking chat GiB chat. First, let's see, all right, 674 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: here is she left, so I left too. She took 675 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: the dog, the truck, the coffee pot, left half a 676 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: note that just said I guess I'm not. She left 677 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: her picture, but she took my heart. Now, this little 678 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: town's got me falling apart. My buddies say, boysh'll come around, 679 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: but that's what everybody says in this town. So I'm 680 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: sitting on tailgate, staring at the sky, counting every tear 681 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: that's in this whiskey dried eye. Now every country song 682 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: ever made fun of It's true, it's corny, but it's corny. 683 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: But also put this out with a good melody, and 684 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 2: people go like, I felt that. 685 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely some corn in there for sure, But 686 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: it's like, what is it She left the half written 687 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: note but took my heart or something like. There's moments 688 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: of like something there, you know what I mean. And 689 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: compared to one year ago, that's way better. It was 690 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: so bad a year ago. So it's fun to always 691 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: like check in and see how it's going because you 692 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: can see, man, it's it's on its way. You know 693 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: it's not there, but it's on its way. 694 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: When you do a record, this record has fifteen songs 695 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: on it, How many, though did you write? How many 696 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: did you record? 697 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: Fifteen songs? I've done basically that with every album I've 698 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: ever made. 699 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: But you didn't record nineteen and only put fifteen on 700 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 2: the record. 701 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: I recorded, I wrote fifteen songs, and we put all 702 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: fifteen on the record, And on last album it was 703 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: the same way and the album before. I don't know 704 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: if I've written a song since I've started putting out 705 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: my own music, like with Good Time as an artist 706 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: myself now as a songwriter, yes, I've written so many songs. 707 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: As a songwriter, I've never seen a lot day. But 708 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: for myself as an artist, I don't know. I really 709 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: have to think here, if I've ever written a song 710 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: and not released it, I know that's why. But the 711 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: reason why is because when I get started on one 712 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: and we're writing a song and I'm feeling like this 713 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: just just is not hidden. I'm not getting the I'm 714 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: not getting the body chills, you know, then I have 715 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: no problem a quarter of the way in saying let's 716 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: just scrap it, y'all, and let's just let's let's let's 717 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: go to another idea, you know, because everyone's throwing out 718 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: ideas before we start, and there's always a few mulling around. 719 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: It's like, what about that other idea yet had, Let's 720 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: let's let's try that one, because this don't seem to 721 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: be working, or I love this idea, but the direction 722 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: we're taking it like lyrically and melodically and musically, it's 723 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'm just not getting that that 724 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: that feeling, that gut feeling of like whoa, you know. 725 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: So that's why, you know, I'll kind of like see 726 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: the writing on the wall and just stop it. 727 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: You know. Are you still writing songs for other people? 728 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Rarely? Rarely? When I first came out as an artist, 729 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: I was still doing it. But as time's gone on, 730 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: the family's grown, and time has just gotten a little smaller, 731 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: and I'm also wanting to really focus on the balance 732 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: in my life. I can sometimes overload myself, and I 733 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: think in the first few years of my career, I 734 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: put a lot on my plate, and now I'm kind 735 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: of in this process of simplifying my life a little 736 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: more and making sure that the things that I most 737 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: most most care about, which is my family and my 738 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: music career. You know that that those things are well 739 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: nurtured and taken care of. 740 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: It's out. Now do you do the thing where you 741 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: do you do you stay up? 742 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: Do you know? You know? It's like you were talking 743 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: about celebrating the moments and everything. For the first time 744 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: in my whole career, I had to see an album 745 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: release party, and I've never done it because I just 746 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to make such a thing out of like 747 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: myself in that way. Is funny because people, I think 748 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: would think of me as I being on stage and 749 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you probably just love being on stage 750 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: with the lights and stuff. It's like, man, I love 751 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: connecting to everybody with music, you know, and I love 752 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: live music and all that, and I love entertaining and performing. 753 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know, like as a little kid, I 754 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: didn't want everyone's singing happy birthday to me just kind 755 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 1: of sitting there like I'm not the kind of person 756 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: that's like, please shine the light on me. So I've 757 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: just never had an album release party. But I've been 758 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: thinking more recently, like what you were saying, I need 759 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: to celebrate like the moments in my life, you know 760 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: that are important to me. How to go it? Was awesome. Yeah, 761 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: we had it at Maggie's here in town. It's like 762 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: this new spot and it was so much. It's fun. 763 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: We had like a music industry release party and then 764 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: a couple of hours later a fan release party, so 765 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: all the all the good timers were able to come 766 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: and celebrate with them too, and it was great. And 767 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: like all the producers and the songwriters that were a 768 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: part of the album, and everybody from Empire Records, my label, 769 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: and Range Management and CIA and just everybody on my team, 770 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: they all came out and it was fun. It was 771 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: like I was like, I should have been doing this 772 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: the whole time. I've been taking life too serious, you know, 773 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: and I got to make sure to take my own 774 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: medicine and enjoy life more, you know. 775 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: Because people take that from you, so you want to 776 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: make sure you're doing I'm. 777 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: Doing the very thing I'm like encouraging everybody else to do. 778 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: It's funny, man, people think I'm just like Perma happy man. 779 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: It's you know, I get it. A lot of people 780 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: are like will come up to me at shows and 781 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: be like, you give me so much encouragement, and I 782 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: just feel so happy with when I listen to your 783 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: music and just thank you for just always bean in 784 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: a good mood. And I feel a little bit like 785 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, and I always feel this urge to tell 786 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: them I'm not always happy all the time. Please don't 787 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: think that, you know, because I don't want them putting 788 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: me on some like unrealistic pedestal, because then I'm afraid 789 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: that they're gonna want to try to like aim for 790 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: that or like achieve that in life, and like it's 791 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: just not it's just not real, you know what I mean. 792 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: And that's not me. 793 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: You know. 794 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: The reason I'm so passionate about it is because I 795 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: struggle with it myself. You know. I wake up every 796 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: day and it's proactive, like concentrated effort to wake up 797 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: and be like, all right, I'm going to find the 798 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: beauty in life today. I'm going to work on my gratitude. 799 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to make sure that today's a 800 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: great day. You know, if I just kind of like 801 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: blah bla blah blah blah blah through through my days, 802 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: It'll be a couple of weeks and I'm like waking 803 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: up and I'm just like, alright, man, just grab my 804 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: phone checked whatever. To my emails and I'm just like 805 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: but with a bup and through life, you know, if 806 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: I let myself get that way, you know. So yeah, 807 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: I always want to keep it real with everybody. 808 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 2: Are Do you have any ballads on this record? 809 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: I do. I got a couple of ballads somewhere, somehow, 810 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: some way. It is probably the most tender song on 811 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: the album. And you know, I've gotten so much encouragement 812 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: from positive music in my life, you know, by Marley Man. 813 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: He's He's someone I've always leaned on, you know. His 814 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: music is always been there to remind me that every 815 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: little thing was gonna be all right, you know. And 816 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: there's been so many times I've needed that word, and 817 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: it's inspired me to take up that, you know, that 818 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: path myself and following those footsteps like so many other 819 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: people do, you know, and become a part of that 820 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: community of folks that really like speak up for that message, 821 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: you know. And on this album, I really wanted a 822 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: song of encouragement myself, you know, and so somewhere, somehow, 823 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: someway is that song. And it's really tender. It's just 824 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: me an acoustic guitar and a little pedal still in 825 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: the background. It's real broken down, it's real intimate, because 826 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure, like the words really come 827 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: through that if someone out there is going through something, 828 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: some difficulty in that moment in their life and they 829 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: hear that, it gives them encouragement that somewhere, somehow, some way, 830 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through this. I got this. 831 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 2: The record is out now, it's called Roots, And I 832 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 2: was looking at toward dates. You got you're doing a 833 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 2: lot of shows to the rest of the year. 834 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I play on average one hundred shows a year, 835 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: so counting travel days, it's about one hundred and eighty days, 836 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: so right at half the year, I'm on the road 837 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: and now family with you No, and so one of 838 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: my biggest goals right now because even though like we've 839 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: gotten the amazing blessing and gift of checking off so 840 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: many cold boxes, we still got these. That's what makes 841 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 1: life fun. Getting up the chase dreams. My big dream 842 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: right now. One of them is to get our second 843 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: tour bus on the road so that that can be 844 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: the family bus. It will make such a difference in 845 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: my reality. I will go from seeing my wife and 846 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: kids half of the year to every day. That's a 847 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,479 Speaker 1: dramatic shift in my reality, you know. And I can't 848 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: bring them on the bus now because there's twelve guys 849 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: on one bus. We're literally a rolling locker room going 850 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: down the road, you know. And you know, when we 851 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: finally get all packed up and we get head into 852 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: the next city, it's usually around one am, and that's 853 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: when we're all kind of like we'll hang out for 854 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: like an hour or so, and then we'll crash and 855 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, you know how the baby is. You know, 856 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: it's like they're crying in the middle of the night, 857 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: and I don't want to do that to the boys. 858 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: They need their rest. They been working their ass off 859 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: all day long, all night long, you know, and so 860 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: it's just unfortunately, like not the most ideal environment to 861 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: have the fam out on. So that's what my goal is. 862 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 2: Man. I never got to bed times until now. If 863 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: they don't get their sleep at the right time, it's 864 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: it's miserable for everybody. 865 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: Me and Anna. I'm just gonna put on for this 866 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: book because I have no relation to it or anything. 867 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: It's only that I just it's worked so good for us. 868 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 1: But it's called Mom's on Call, and it's this book 869 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: that these two ladies wrote that is like a scheduling 870 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: book on like when to feed and when you sleep. 871 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we use it too. 872 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you use it too. Awesome, all right, So. 873 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 2: It's how our baby sleeps for eleven hours right now 874 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 2: and she's four months old. Yeah, it's how. It's that 875 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 2: we stuck to it. 876 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, we stick to it too. Man, We're like, we're 877 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: really strict about it. And so that's why we don't 878 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: mess with her sleep time, you know, because even if 879 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: it's just a couple of hours, it's gonna mess her 880 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: up for the whole next day and then she's gonna 881 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: be in a bad mood, you know, and it's just 882 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a whole thing. You know. It's different for kids, right, So. 883 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate the time. I hope you get everything out 884 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 2: of this record that you know you set out to do, 885 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 2: and plus thank you. And then for those that are 886 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: listening or watching, you can go to Nico Moon dot 887 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 2: com and he's all over the place all the way 888 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 2: up to the end of the year. So I always 889 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 2: appreciate spending time with you. You too, good luck with 890 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: the record, and there he is, the great Nico Moon. 891 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: Great to be here, y'all love you Peace. 892 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.