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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck starts now.

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Speaker 2: I think this is really interesting, Clay, because I want

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Speaker 2: to do a little research on this on my own.

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Speaker 2: Last night, Trump spoke about not only is he a

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Speaker 2: taking a bow and yeah, I think if you help

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Speaker 2: negotiate the end of carnage that is taking human lives

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Speaker 2: and maiming people. And you know, war is a terrible thing.

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Speaker 2: It truly is a terrible thing. Sometimes a necessary thing,

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Speaker 2: but it is still a terrible thing. I think taking

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Speaker 2: a bow is fine, and I think that Trump deserves

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Speaker 2: that and then some. But it's not just on Israel

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Speaker 2: and the end of this conflict with Gaza. This has

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Speaker 2: cut thirty three. He lays out the whole. He gives

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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: He remember, we settled seven. This is number eight. We

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Speaker 4: settled seven wars or major conflicts, but wars, and this

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Speaker 4: is number eight. And the one that I thought would

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Speaker 4: be maybe the quickest of all would be Russia Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's going to happen too. But in

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Speaker 4: the meantime they're losing about seven thousand people a week,

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Speaker 4: and that seems pretty bad. And losing mostly soldiers, young soldiers.

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Speaker 4: They go out to war and they getting killed, and well,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't affect us in a lot of ways. We've

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Speaker 4: got a big ocean in between. You don't want to

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Speaker 4: see that happen. It was a big mistake that war

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Speaker 4: should have never happened. It would have never happened if

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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't want wars, which is a very good premise

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Speaker 2: to star wars. So Clay, can I give you the

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Speaker 2: list here and you can, yeah, the list of conflicts

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Speaker 2: that Trump was involved in bringing to either a ceasefire

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Speaker 2: or some kind of an agreement to end the fighting.

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Speaker 2: We have Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics. Trump

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Speaker 2: signed a peace agreement between them on the eighth of August.

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Speaker 2: That war have been going on for decades, and the

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Speaker 2: leaders of both countries were very much thankful to Trump

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Speaker 2: for helping to negotiate this. One democratic republic of the

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Speaker 2: Congo and Rwanda. That was June. Back in June of

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Speaker 2: this year, a ceasefire announced on June twenty third between

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Speaker 2: Iran and Israel after the bombing of the nuclear sites,

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Speaker 2: India and Pakistan on a border dispute. Cambodia and Thailand.

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Speaker 2: They had a ceasefire July twenty eighth. They fought for

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Speaker 2: five days but people were dying. And then from the

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Speaker 2: first administration, I think Clay he adds oh Serbia and Kosovo.

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Speaker 3: He helped get.

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Speaker 2: An agreement with them, and I think he did something.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Ethiopia and Egypt. Trump dealt with a

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Speaker 2: dispute between them over a hydro power dam. So it

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Speaker 2: was more of a conflict than it was a war.

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Speaker 2: But that is the list. That is quite a world

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Speaker 2: tour that he has put together.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and again it goes to the point that I had,

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Speaker 1: which is the criticism of Trump that would actually it's

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Speaker 1: not a good criticism in my opinion, But the one

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Speaker 1: He's too focused on world peace and many of these

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Speaker 1: criticism you could levy. It's the exact opposite criticism. They

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Speaker 1: day Hitler World War Iree is going to ensue. Let

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Speaker 1: I understand the lines of the battle and everything else,

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason that there's not a ceasefire in Russia Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: How much do you think this as cultural in that

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Speaker 2: Well, this is how Russians fight wars, just with throwing

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Speaker 3: A total joke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's already there, but it definitely would be

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Speaker 2: a total joke at that point.

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Speaker 1: Somebody just texted me or email me that once Obama

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Speaker 2: A reward for an award.

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Speaker 1: For what you actually accomplished. I do wonder if peace

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Speaker 1: still don't know exactly where that line is where if

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Speaker 1: your point, it seems quite clear that Vladimir Putin just

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Speaker 2: Well, see, this is what I meant by he doesn't

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Speaker 3: This is it's pure force. You know.

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Speaker 1: To get the hostages, which is what the HOSS has

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Speaker 2: Update here on the James Comy trial. I believe it

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Speaker 2: is going to be happening January fifth.

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Speaker 3: It is set for so that's pretty quick. They're moving pretty.

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Speaker 2: Fast on this one. And here is Fox News is

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Speaker 2: Bill Hammer. This is from this morning, just with that

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Speaker 1: Here is the breaking news.

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Speaker 3: The former FBI director.

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Speaker 3: And apparently that is the case.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not the only one warning you about this guy,

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Speaker 5: How many of you have heard or thought that James

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Speaker 5: I've always thought that James Comey was a lifelong Republican.

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Speaker 2: But we're not going to hold our breath on Comy.

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Speaker 2: New York State's Attorney General, Leticia James has been indicted

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Speaker 6: This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's

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Speaker 2: Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm

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Speaker 2: The charges aren't baseless.

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Speaker 2: for mortgage fraud, had no problem with it. Used statutes

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Speaker 2: in ways they never had been used before to try

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Speaker 2: to bankrupt Donald Trump. But let's just look at it

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Speaker 2: this way, Clay. She broke the law based on the allegations.

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Speaker 2: Unless the facts are in dispute here, which they don't

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Speaker 2: seem to be, she broke the law.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would go back to the same thing I

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Speaker 1: said when James Comey was indicted. This was a grand jury.

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Speaker 1: This was a grand jury in a northern Virginia I

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Speaker 1: believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask

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Speaker 1: Letitia James if she were on the radio with us

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Speaker 1: right now we played that clip, is why did the

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Speaker 1: grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires

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Speaker 1: that a grand jury agreed that there is a legitimate

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Speaker 1: basis for these charges to be brought. And that is

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Speaker 1: not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck,

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Speaker 1: this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area.

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Speaker 1: This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area.

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Speaker 1: This is among the best possible grand jury pools that

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Speaker 1: Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group

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Speaker 1: seventy thirty Biden, seventy thirty Kamala, And they are looking

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Speaker 1: at all this evidence and they are saying, we think

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Speaker 1: Letitia James broke the law. I will say this, it's

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Speaker 1: another one we got right. This is not a very

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Speaker 1: complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms.

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Speaker 1: And if you are a lawyer and you are in

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Speaker 1: charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: states in the country, I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: out there do not give you the benefit of the

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Speaker 1: doubt if there are parts of the mortgage application that

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Speaker 1: are wrong that are favorable to you. This is not

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Speaker 1: your average guy or gal out there who's running through

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Speaker 1: a mortgage form as fast as they can. When you

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Speaker 1: pass a bar exam, and when you are charged with

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Speaker 1: enforcing the law for again, one of the biggest states

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Speaker 1: in the country, I think that you have a higher

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Speaker 1: standard of expecting to understand what you are filling out

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Speaker 1: when it comes to mortgages. And so I think that

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Speaker 1: she's in a tough spot. And of course this is

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Speaker 1: a delicious irony as it were, because she went after

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Speaker 1: Trump for alleged fraud when it came to the loan

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Speaker 1: proceedings that he was able to get relating to his

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Speaker 1: assets and the loans that he had repaid. And so

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Speaker 1: this is based on a property that she owns in

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Speaker 1: Virginia that evidently she has lied about what it's being

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Speaker 1: used for.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences,

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Speaker 2: and the word primary is a problem for her there

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Speaker 2: everybody knows what that means. You can't have two primary residences.

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Speaker 2: And Clay beyond that. So there's the facts of this

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Speaker 2: which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if you're

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Speaker 2: the Attorney General of New York, to Clay's point, you

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Speaker 2: should understand the law really better than anybody and should

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Speaker 2: be held to a standard that you've held everyday Americans too.

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Speaker 2: It's a very straightforward question. Have people gone to prison

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Speaker 2: for mortgage fraud like this in New York State? With

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Speaker 2: Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial offices that do this because

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Speaker 2: it's all federal.

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Speaker 3: The answers yes, So if somebody can go to prison

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Speaker 3: for this, she can go to prison for this. And

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Speaker 3: people might say, oh, that's harsh.

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Speaker 2: Well to that, I say, it is hard, but either

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Speaker 2: the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under the laws

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Speaker 2: they use against us, or we are in a tyranny,

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Speaker 2: my friends. The law either applies to everyone or should

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Speaker 2: apply to no one. And by the way, here she is,

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Speaker 2: this is cut fourteen, making that very point, Clay play it.

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Speaker 6: The president of these United States is not above the law.

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Speaker 6: No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are.

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Speaker 6: Everyone must play by the same rules.

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Speaker 1: Please see him for.

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Speaker 2: Us, she said, everyone has to played by the same rules.

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Speaker 2: Looks like she broke the rules according to this grand jury.

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Speaker 2: She certainly did.

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Speaker 3: I mean Clay.

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Speaker 2: Also, if she didn't do this, this wouldn't be where

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Speaker 2: it is. This is a very straightforward crime. This is

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Speaker 2: in fact the crime that they try to get the

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Speaker 2: corrupt congressman in the show The Wire On and they

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Speaker 2: and they call it at that time the quote headshot

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Speaker 2: because you can go away.

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Speaker 1: For years based on mortgage fraud. Yeah, she's facing up

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Speaker 1: to thirty years in prison now again, which is insane,

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Speaker 1: Which is insane. And we can all, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we can all agree that's insane. But change the laws.

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Speaker 1: Everybody does these some of these federal laws are absurd.

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Speaker 1: It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts systemic,

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Speaker 1: essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only

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Speaker 1: probably get if she's found guilty six months or something.

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Speaker 1: But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here. Comy

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Speaker 1: sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib that

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Speaker 1: didn't matter. Comy told a little fib too. Guess what

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Speaker 1: more significantly too. I don't know how she remains the

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Speaker 1: New York Attorney General. If you are the chief law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officer of a state and you are facing felony charges,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how you remain in that position. And

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Speaker 1: she's benefited because she's in a blue state. But there

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Speaker 1: have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump Relay officials who

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Speaker 1: have law degrees for far less than felony mortgage charges.

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Speaker 1: So my question would be for everybody out there listening

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Speaker 1: on war and all over the state of New York,

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Speaker 1: and this would be a question that I think Kathy

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Speaker 1: Hokele should have to answer. How can you have a

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Speaker 1: chief law enforcement officer of the State of New York

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Speaker 1: who is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud, executing the

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Speaker 1: executing the office of New York Attorney General. Because look, Buck,

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Speaker 1: she's prosecuting people right now for the crime that she

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Speaker 1: has been indicted for in Virginia. That feels to me

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Speaker 1: to be untenable. I think she's going to have to

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Speaker 1: step down. And I'm surprised that more people aren't already

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Speaker 1: raising this as an issue, because again, when you are

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Speaker 1: the chief law enforcement official of a state and you

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Speaker 1: are facing felony charges, how in the world can you

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Speaker 1: be expected to be a fair and impartial ruler of

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Speaker 1: the law when you're prosecuting people for felony charges that

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Speaker 1: you yourself face. That seems like a tough putt to say.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more

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Speaker 1: irony here. There's a lot of irony in this whole situation.

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Speaker 1: Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly,

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Speaker 1: but to bankrupt hundreds of millions of dollars worth of

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Speaker 1: this to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks

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Speaker 1: involved them said it was great, we would do it again.

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Speaker 1: There was no problem here, what do you taught? And

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Speaker 1: her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to say

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Speaker 1: that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars or something.

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Speaker 1: This is this is truly bonkers. Nobody would ever say that.

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Speaker 1: But beyond that, Clay She's gonna I mentioned Clay Davis,

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Speaker 1: who's actually the guy, a different Clay, the guy from

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Speaker 1: the wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud. That's how

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Speaker 1: they get the politician and what he's he do. He

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Speaker 1: appeals to the jury on sort of purely emotional political grounds.

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Speaker 1: He really goes for jury nullification. Here is Latsia James.

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Speaker 1: This is just a quick on in this cut fifteen,

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Speaker 1: she told everybody she was going after Trump for political reasons.

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Speaker 3: Play it.

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Speaker 6: It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump are coming to an end.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, okay, correct,

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Speaker 2: especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played

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Speaker 2: with fire and now she's seeing that can go both ways.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, And again I would love team see if

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Speaker 1: there's been any questioning. Of course there probably hasn't because

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Speaker 1: the New York media is mostly left wing, but I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised there hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James

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Speaker 1: can stay in office given that she has felony charges

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Speaker 1: against her. I mean, judges would typically have to recuse

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Speaker 1: themselves from any sort of judicial proceeding if they were

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Speaker 1: facing felony charges. How can Leticia James stay in the

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Speaker 1: office of New York AG? Now, the answer is politically,

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Speaker 1: this might actually be good for right because it elevates

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Speaker 1: her profile and in the left, if you're fighting Trump.

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Speaker 1: I was laughing when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB.

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Speaker 1: Pritzker that Gavin Newsom has to be so mad. You know,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's.

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Speaker 3: Like, why won't he say he has to arrest me?

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Speaker 1: You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wine

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Speaker 1: glass against the wall when he saw the JB. Pritzker

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Speaker 1: and Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over Euston,

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Speaker 1: not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking

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Speaker 1: that question. It feels like a no brainer that she

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Speaker 1: would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General.

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Speaker 1: You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones

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Speaker 1: that you are facing from a fellow. Here's here's where

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Speaker 1: my guest, Clay, I have to look at the New

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Speaker 1: York State laws about this, but my guess is that,

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Speaker 1: like a judge recusing himself for herself, there's some degree

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Speaker 1: of it's like up to the person unless they get

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Speaker 1: maybe pressured from the legislature in New York State that hey, look,

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Speaker 1: you either can step aside or will remove you.

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Speaker 2: And I just think that she'll be able to again,

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Speaker 2: and I'm totally spitballing here, but my sense is she

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Speaker 2: will be able to rely on the anti Trump lunacy

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Speaker 2: of any Democrats. Of course, the New York State Assembly

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Speaker 2: is Democrat and the governor is a Democrat, so there

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Speaker 2: won't be pressure on her, I think from her own

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Speaker 2: party in New York State two step aside. So unless

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Speaker 2: there's clear, you know, written out law that you must,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think there is, or we would have

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Speaker 2: already heard about it, she'll be able to ride this

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Speaker 2: out in office until the actual trial happens. That's my

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that or you see that going

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Speaker 2: a different way?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm working through in my head

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Speaker 1: the legal ethics morass, for lack of a better way

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Speaker 1: to describe it, on who lawyers can represent. Is enough

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Speaker 1: to make your eyeballs roll back into your head, the

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Speaker 1: conflicts and the withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things.

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Speaker 3: But do you think she stays in office or not?

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Speaker 1: I think that she has to. I'm going to send

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Speaker 1: this sweet out, but I think she has to st

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Speaker 1: up down. I don't you will, well, I understand and

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Speaker 1: again pull. This is political versus legal, which is too

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Speaker 1: different from told.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: There's probably a good faith Oh, you should recuse yourself

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00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: in the in the ethics, uh, you know they're written

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Speaker 2: ethics about the attorney genteral from New York. But my

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00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: guess is it's not an automatic. And if it's not

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Speaker 2: an automatic, then it relies on pressure from other Democrats

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Speaker 2: who can I'm sure you know she could be fired

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00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: by the UH, by the governor, she could be removed

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Speaker 2: from office. I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes

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00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: in place usually for things like that. Clay, I don't

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Speaker 2: think they're going to do that. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: let her fight this thing out and see how it

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Speaker 2: goes with a jury.

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Speaker 3: That's my guess. We'll see