1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game of podcast with Ryan Kurdsky. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: I am your host. Thanks for being here again this week. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Lots of big news happening, especially in the podcasting world, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: and I just want to talk about something for a 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: second that it not political, just made me laugh. The 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Golden Globes announced that they are going to give an 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: award out now for best Podcasts starting next year. This 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: is the first major award show to give an award 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: out for podcasting, and it is a big bag of 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: bs in my opinion, because you know, when you think 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: of the biggest podcast hosts in the country. Obviously I'm 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: not the biggest podcast host in the country, but if 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: you think of the biggest podcast hosts in the countries, 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: the Joe Rogan's, the Theo Bonds, Megan Kelly, Crime Junkie, 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy, Ben Shapiro, you know, these massive, massive 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: shows that have been on for years and I've basically 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: built the platform. None of them, in my opinion, You're 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: probably get nominated like none of them, because if you 19 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: think about it, because Hollywood doesn't make a lot of 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: movies anymore, and TV shows are like ten episodes long, 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and it's just not what it used to be even 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, pre COVID. A lot of 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: celebrities have moved to the podcasting world, so you have 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: like Amy Poehler and Michelle Obama and Conan O'Brien and 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: John Stewart. That's who's going to be nominated. Not actual 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: podcasters who work really hard to make the platform and 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: do really really good work with it. It will be 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: people who are already famous and celebrities, and they'll just 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: find another way to reward them. I don't know. May 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: My I roll made me laugh. I thought it was 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: very funny and I wanted to share with my audience. Anyway. 32 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Lots of news happening in America, with discussions over the 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: tax bill, which I plan on covering hopefully later on 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: in the week, and the Trump trip to Saudi Arabia, 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: which I briefly covered last week. But something revolutionary is 36 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: happening overseas, like truly revolutionary that really needs to be 37 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: touched upon. And it's happening in the United Kingdom. Prime 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Minister Kerestarmer of the Labor Party that's the center left 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: party like our Democratic Party, has announced he's doing a 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: major crackdown immigration Okay. This is significant because as the 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Labor Party, like our Demo Democratic Party, has spent decades 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: being peddled to the medal for mass migration. Immigration in 43 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the UK was fairly stagnant for most of the twentieth century. 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: The form foreign born population from nineteen fifty one to 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one double from one point eight million to 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: three point six million over forty years. That's about forty 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: five thousand a year. That's a lot, but it's not 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's not unsustainable migration. Then came former Labor 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Tony Blair, same party as Keir Starmer from 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and seven when he 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: led the country. He was the prime minister during those years. 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: He fundamentally changed it. Remember it took forty years to 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: double a very small population of immigrants in the UK. 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: He managed to double a larger population in just twenty years, 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: from three point six million to seven point two million 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: under his leadership. After decades of having no more than 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand immigrants in a single year a net 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: immigration a single year, Blair increased into about a quarter 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: of a million a year by his final year in office. 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: And why he did that, Why did he make such 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: a dramatic transformation in a relatively small country with long 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: standing traditions longer than our countries even existed. Well, according 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: to people close to him, he said he wanted to 64 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: rub the rights noses and diversity. That's the entire reason 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: behind mass immigration. It was nothing to do with the 66 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: economy or labor shortages, or increasing the military or advancing technology. No, nothing, 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: It was just to make conservative people feel uncomfortable. That 68 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: was the entire plan. The Conservative Party often called the Tories. 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: So if you're hearing me say tourism referring to the 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: Conservative Party, they are the traditional center right part of 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: the UK, our version of the Republicans, and they campaign 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: on reducing immigration to historic levels. So after more than 73 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: ten years of the labor leadership, they finally won control 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: of Parliament in twenty ten under David Cameron. So what 75 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: did David Cameron do well two years? For two years 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: he kind of lowered them a little bit, immigration a 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: little bit, and then he rapidly increased it, even surpassing 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Tony Blair numbers. And that doesn't even go to the 79 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: increased level of illegal immigration that was coming to the country, 80 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: which spiked because of the Hour of Spring, when Angela 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: Merkel of Germany led the whole Third World into Germany. 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: A lot of them made their way to the UK 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: because they beautiful, generous welfare policies and it was a 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: wonderful place to live. So they managed to sit there 85 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and get there, and the British public was fed up 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of them blamed the European Union on this. 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: After all, Germany was the largest nation in the European 88 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: Union on the continent. They Angela Merkel was the face 89 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: of the European Union at the time, and there's a 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: lot of European regulations around migration that forbade them from 91 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: deporting people and accepting people. Cameron decided to try to 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: appease the British public. Prime Minister David Cameron tried to 93 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: appease the British public by offering a vote on the 94 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: country's membership to the EU. And to the shock of 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: David Cameron and most of the media and the British 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: public at large, the British voters voted to leave the EU. 97 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: They voted for Brexit and Breggs. It was about many things, 98 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: but immigration, sovereignty, and the ability to control one's borders 99 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: were the main reasons. That's why that happened. And once 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: breggs it was successful. The Tory shuffle leadership because Cameron 101 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: resigned because he campaigned to stay in the European Union 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: and he lost. And then they got Teresa May and 103 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: you don't really remember her much except she was an 104 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: awkward dancer. She would dance for some reason in public. 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: I kind of loved it, but it was it was 106 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: awkward anyway, and then ultimately end up with Boris Johnson. 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: Boris Johnson was oftentimes compared to Trump. He had a 108 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: really messy personal life. He said crazy things a lot, 109 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: and he had vibrant blonde hair that was always very unique. 110 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: And people call him Bojo, so I'm gonna say Bojo. 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: While Bojo campaigned on quote unquote getting bregsit done and 112 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: finalizing the agreement with the European Union, he quite blacked 113 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: away from his pledge to lower levels of immigration. And 114 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: despite having one of the largest parliamentary majorities in modern 115 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: British history, the largest for the Tories since Margaret Thatcher 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: in the eighties, he did nothing to promote a conservative agenda. Seriously, 117 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: if you want to feel good about the Republican Party, 118 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Look up the Tories while Bojo was in charge of them. 119 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Johnson increased legal immigration, passed anything that Tony Blair and 120 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: the Labor Party could have ever dreamed of net migration. 121 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: Remember it was historically forty five thousand, increased to over 122 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty thousand people per year. And remember 123 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: this is the country that is a fifth of the 124 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: population of the United States. It would be like the 125 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: US quadrupling our legal immigration. And this happened under the 126 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: Conservative Party, the center right party decades a promising reducing immigration, 127 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: and he blew it out of the water. Boris Johnson 128 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: ended up having to resign and his success was win 129 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: named Liz trust I remember her. She lasted for less 130 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: than I think it was ahead of Lettuce. I think 131 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: she lasted for seven weeks. And then there was Richie 132 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: Sunac who was the previous Prime minister Rishi Sunac as 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I call him Britain's modern day Lady Macbeth because he 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: sabotage and backstepped everybody to get the position of power, 135 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: only to lead the Tories to the largest defeat in 136 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: modern history, where they lost two thirds of all their seats. 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: But he's important and it's important to mention Sunak before 138 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned the current prime minister. Most important things Suonek 139 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: did at the end of his time in office is 140 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: once again, he also campaigned on reducing immigration and said 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: he was going to do it right, unlike the other 142 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: three Tory leaders and two Labor leaders. Was he was 143 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: going to crack down on illegal immigration by making a 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: deal with the nation of Rwanda to house illegal immigrants, 145 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: kind of like how Trump is doing with El Salvador. 146 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Because there was a mass problem with illegomgration. They were 147 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: a string of tax a string of crimes, some rooming gangs. 148 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: He was going to solve this. Well, the courts struck 149 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: him down almost immediately upon doing this, and they was 150 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: because he was in violation something called the ECCHR. This 151 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: is extremely important for anyone who likes to know about 152 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: European politics. The ECHR is the European Convention on Human Rights. 153 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: It was drafted back in the fifties, right after World 154 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: War Two, and it was basically to prevent countries from 155 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: refusing admission to you know, Jewish, prominently Jewish refugees, or 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: send them back to what would be like Nazi Germany 157 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: to a concentration camp. And basically it said if a migrant, 158 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: if a refugee would be harmed in their native country, 159 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: you cannot send them back. It's totally illegal to send 160 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: someone back if they would be harmed in their country 161 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: of origin. So let's say, let's say someone from Nigeria 162 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: came to the UK, had a family there and they 163 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: went on to rape a bunch of young girls. He 164 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: cannot be sent back to Nigeria if he states he'll 165 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: have a political persecution there. That's a real story that 166 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: really did happen. A Nigerian pedophile was not allowed to 167 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: be deported after raping young girls because he said he 168 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: would life would be too hard for him in Nigeria, 169 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: and the British courts agree with him. Now you could 170 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: obviously see how that would upset the British public. It 171 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: upsets me even talking about it. There's also thing called 172 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act. That's thing that Tony Blair put 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: in that also has a series of different regulations and rules. 174 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: But who you can deport when there's some thing called 175 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: like people have a right to a family, So if 176 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: you have a family, they are in Britain then that 177 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: would mean you probably can't be deported unless you commit 178 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: a very serious heinous act. Apparently rape is not one 179 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: of them. But Sunak was adamant that the ECHR had 180 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: to go. He's promised to sit there and campaign against 181 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: it and never did. And that leads us to our 182 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: current prime minister here, Starmer, the one is in office 183 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: right now, the Labor Party who was announcing he's doing 184 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: all these immigration policies. A lot of these immigration policies 185 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: seem common sense to the average person. He's going to 186 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: increase the wait time to declare citizenship. You have to 187 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: wait ten years now instead of five. He has restrictions 188 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: on visas. You have to know English fluently in order 189 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to live in England. Seems pretty obvious. And he announced 190 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: he wants to start to do a Rwanda plan. He 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: wants to do his own Rewanda plan, the same plan 192 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: he campaigned against the same plan in the courts, sat 193 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: there and said you can't do under the ECCHR, which 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: he said he's going to reform. I will hold my 195 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: breath for that. Why. I think that's the question that 196 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: leads you to sit there and say why, why would 197 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the Labor Party, why would Cure Starmer of the Labor 198 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Party the far Left sit there and be co signing 199 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: this now because on May first, a very important thing happened. 200 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: The Labor part Party got obliterated in local elections, but 201 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: they didn't lose to the Tories. They lost to Nigel Farage. 202 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure my audience know who Nigel Farage is. For 203 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: those who don't, he's very closely aligned to Trump. He's 204 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: been in America media a ton. He has a party 205 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: call Reform UK Party. It is hated by the British 206 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: establishment and the media, just like Trump was hated here, 207 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: and he was in the political wilderness for decades. Nigel 208 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: ran for Parliament seven times and lost all seven times. 209 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: He was considered a joke until the last election when 210 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: he finally won. He won along with four other Reform 211 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: UK parties, and they've won another seat since then in 212 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: a by election and a special election. Essentially, he is 213 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: now polling in first place at over thirty percent in 214 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: a country with seven political parties. He will be if 215 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: this election were held tomorrow, he would be the prime minister, 216 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: which was considered an impossibility just a few years ago. 217 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: It would be like going back in a time machine 218 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen and hearing Donald Trump will be your 219 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: president in the next few years, and you laughing at 220 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: the person anyone would have laughed at the person. I 221 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: would have laughed at the person like that seems like 222 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: it's impossible in twenty thirteen, and by twenty sixteen the 223 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: situation had changed so dramatically and so badly that anyone 224 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: with a compelling message like that obviously was going to win. 225 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: And to you know, to take from a British term, 226 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: Nigel Faraj is scaring the living piss out of Cure 227 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Starmer and the Labor Party. So that's why he's changing 228 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: his tune on immigration. Why does it matter to an 229 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: American audience? For the same reason that the transformational Labor 230 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: Party could indicate the transformation of the Democratic Party. The 231 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: Labor Party is so woke. England is so woke that 232 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: they still on certain soccer games. This is true as 233 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: like two weeks ago, at certain soccer games they still 234 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: kneel for George Floyd. In the UK, this is a 235 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: woke country, this is a woke elite, a woke established 236 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: a woke political party. And if they are sitting there 237 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: and saying we need to get right on immigration? Can 238 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party be next? My guest this week is 239 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: a brilliant professor from the UK who's going to tell 240 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: us what's happening there and what could happen here. Stay tuned. 241 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: Matthew Goodwin is a British academic, a writer. He is 242 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: a brilliant substect that I use to get all my 243 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: insights on the UK, their politics, their culture, what's going 244 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: on on our mother country. I cannot recommend a nothing 245 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: can be found at Matt Goodwin dot org. Matt, thank 246 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: you for being here. 247 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's great to connect. 248 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: Now, Matt, first question. Prime Minister Starmer has announced a 249 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: series of new restrictions on migration, from increasing the wait 250 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: time to apply for citizenship to closing loopholes in the 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: AChR and talking about even reopening the Rwanda deportations unders. 252 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: How much of this is sincere and how much is 253 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: just fear of the Nigel Farage and what are the 254 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: chance that the labor actually goes with it? 255 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: So I think there are a couple of things going 256 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: on here. That first is our political system has been 257 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: completely transformed by the rise of as you say, Nigel 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: Farage and the All Party, which is currently number one 259 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: in the opinion poll. This is the most significant political 260 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: insurgency since the rise of the Labor Party in the 261 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: early twentieth century. It's really really big. Nigel Ferrage and 262 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: this party just won the local elections local municipal council 263 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: elections in the country. They became the first party in 264 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: history to finish ahead of Labor and the Conservatives in 265 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: those elections. So look, this is a very very significant moment. 266 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: But the reality is that I Steamer and the Labor 267 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: Party are also responding to a very different public mood 268 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: for the first time since the vote for Breakfit, which 269 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: Americans will remember because it was only a few months 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: before the election of Donald Trump, the first election of 271 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: Trump in twenty sixteen. For the first time since then, 272 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: migration is now the number one issue in British Southiety 273 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: according to you gov, which is a reliable Polster. Immigration 274 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: is now seen by voters as being more important than 275 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: the economy, and that is reflecting these unprecedented historic levels 276 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: of migration that we have had into the country, particularly 277 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: since the COVID pandemic. We've had about two to three 278 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: million people migrate into what is quite a small Island 279 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: in just a few years, mainly low skill, low wage migration. 280 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: So what Issimer and Labor are trying to do is 281 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: not just fend off the threat of Nigel Projen a 282 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: reform party who are doing particularly well in labor areas 283 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: in what you guys would call, you know, flyover country, 284 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: the roughs spelt, you know, all of that sort of 285 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: similar here in working clocks areas. That's the core for 286 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: this reform party. But I was also saying, well, we've 287 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: got a country here that is increasingly concerned about the 288 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: immigration Issho very anxious about the direction of the company, 289 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: and he's also trying to get his arms around back wide. 290 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: But I mean labor. Some Labor Party members have pushed 291 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: back and say they don't want to go forward with it. 292 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: They said, you can't out forage Farage. I mean, do 293 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: will they have? Will they be successful in pushing out 294 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, Starmer or pushing Starmar away from us? 295 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, I see a lot of parallels with the U 296 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: estimate to be frank right, Remember in the early days 297 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: of Trump, a lot of people's dead. You know, this 298 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: strategy isn't going to work. Going hard on border security, 299 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: going hard on immigration, you know, there are all kinds 300 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: of people polstered Democrats, even moderate Republicans who were staying 301 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: you know, the times had moved on. This is you know, 302 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: this is a strategy that will only win among angry, old, 303 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, white men and the past. Trump obviously outside 304 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: the whole system through that strategy and he realized there 305 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: was something else going on in the country. I see 306 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: a parallel with Britain because if you look at the 307 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: pro immigration attitude of the labor activists who are complaining 308 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: about kids Darma, both attitudes are basically ten to fifteen 309 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: percent of the country maximum if I'm being generous. You know, 310 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: we had one opinion poll this week that showed eighty 311 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: five percent of Brits eighty five percent want net migrate 312 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: and reduce from where it is now, so seven hundred 313 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: and thirty thousand people every year, meaning meaning nearly a 314 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: million more people coming into the country than leading every year. 315 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: The Brits want that reduced the low one hundred thousand 316 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: and a nearly halfable Brick want net migration reduced to 317 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: zero or net negative migration meaning more people leaving than 318 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: coming in. So if you basically are a labor activist, 319 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: thinking I'm comfortable with the state that's quote. In fact, 320 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: I want more immigration. According to that pole, you are 321 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: basically representing five percent of Britain. Just five percent of 322 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: Brits are basically comfortable with wettings are the VARs majority 323 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: one to dramatically reduced migration. So Farage is swimming in 324 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: some very very favorable warp that I would argue he's 325 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: got the biggest political market that he's had at any 326 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: point in his career. But for the Labor Party, you 327 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: can see the tensions because they're not really going to 328 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: win back reform voters because reform voters see through Karstarma, 329 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: they know that this is political rhetoric, it's not actually 330 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: supported by robust policy. But they're also alienating those pro 331 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: immigration fanatic who are going to start to go off 332 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: to the Greens and to the Liberal Democrats and to 333 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: parties on the left. So yeah, we're seeing real historic 334 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: change here. 335 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: Because while Starmer is made of this announcement, he also 336 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: had a free was a free migration policy with India 337 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: that he just announced to actually increase migration to India. 338 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: All these things in a crackdown and it's very we 339 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: see a lot of them in the States too. I 340 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: want to ask about Nigel Farage because he's probably the 341 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: most well known British politician in America. He's got a 342 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: ton of American media who's very close Donald Trump for 343 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: a while, and I don't think Americans understood he was 344 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: considered a joke by the British media and by the 345 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: British public. He ran I think for office seven times 346 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: and losing before join member of Parliament with the Reform 347 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: UK Party. Why has this moment launched him? A man 348 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: who's been around for decades and what are Labor and 349 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Tories toys trying to do. 350 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: To stop The first thing to say about Nigel Ferrage 351 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: is that he is going to go down as one 352 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: of the most consequential politicians in the modern era. Remember this. 353 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: There is a guy who has already won two nationwide 354 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: elections with two different political party. He won the twenty 355 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: fourteen European elections with his first party, the UK and 356 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: Debended Party. He maintained back after the Brexit referendum with 357 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: the Brexit Party to make sure that Brexit was implemented. 358 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: He won the twenty nineteen European elections with the Brexit 359 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: Party and now He's just won the local municipal elections 360 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: with the Reform Party, so look, you know, and by 361 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: the way, he helped deliver the Brekdit vote, so he 362 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: is rans down the most consequential politician of I would 363 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 2: argue our generation. He's a sort of modern day wat Pilo, 364 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: the man who led peasants revolt against London many centuries 365 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: to go. And he is a very charismatic politician. The 366 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 2: reason he's back, let's be clear about this, is because 367 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: I know Nigel very well and he once told me 368 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: that he looked at politics like he used to look 369 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: at the stock market. Okay, he buys the stock when 370 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: they're cheap, and he tends to cash out when the 371 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 2: stock is thurging, you know. And I think what happened 372 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: a year ago, he looked around at the liberal landscape. 373 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: He looked at this big debate over immigration, the small 374 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: boat crisis, a legal migrating crisis on the border, which 375 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: is quite similar to your migration crisis on the southern border. 376 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: I think he looked at the Labor Party. I think 377 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: he looked at Kemmy bad Knock, the new leader of 378 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: the Tories, and I think he just thought, you know 379 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: this whole thing is wide open. I'm going to come back. 380 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to lead the perform Party and I'm going 381 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: to pull together a coalition that's bigger and better than 382 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: anything I've had previously. And everyone in Westminster always brutinely 383 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: they laugh at Nigel ay Mock, They insult, their dismissive. 384 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: But is he once said in the European Parliament. They're 385 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: not laughing now because he's number one in the Indian polls. 386 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: He has effectively rhy and replaced the Conservatives. Already, you 387 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: arouse me. They're scared the piss out of it speaking now? 388 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: Is you and I speaking now? In the national polls, 389 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: the former on thirty one percent, the Conservatives under Kemy 390 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: Badnock are on sixteen tense. So this is really an 391 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: important point. What we're witnessing is the depth of one 392 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: of the most successful and older political party than the 393 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: history of democracy. And Americans really should they'll know what's 394 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: going on here because what the Conservatives represent is that 395 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 2: kind of Romney old Republican coalictum that never moved with 396 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: the times, and what Nigel represents is that Trumpian manga 397 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: more only givety just you know, UNTI establishment and ti 398 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: immigration alternative. The Toys have refused to lean into or 399 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: deal with this realignment in the way that Trump did, 400 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: and now Nigel's the big beneficiary of that. So with 401 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: see English remarkable coalition coming together. 402 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so odd from an American who reads 403 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: and follows British politics, Boris Johnson in twenty twenty one 404 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: had a gigantic majority or twenty nineteen whenever the year 405 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: of the election was a majority Surgery support Biggish since 406 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher and had the wherewithal, had the ability to 407 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: really do whatever he wanted. Britain is not like the 408 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: America or we have a Senate in sixty votes. If 409 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: you have a majority of the Parliament, you can basically 410 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: do almost anything you want. And from two tier policing 411 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: to immigration to I mean, he didn't have even a 412 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: coherent policy where he demanded to be Singapore in the 413 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: teams of the idea of having like London be like Singapore, 414 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: have mass migration. He kind of had no central plan 415 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: and the Conservative Party withered in real time from almost 416 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: the apax of their political power since the eighties to 417 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: well to nothing in a matter of five years, six years. 418 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, absolutely I mean Boris Johnson, it's not quite fair 419 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: to say you didn't do anything. What he did do 420 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: with them a liberal agenda on the Conservative Party. That's 421 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: basically what Boris Johnson did. He liberally likely im the 422 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: Great Francisco. He opened the floodgate. I remember in twenty 423 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: nineteen he was very clear. He said, I will lower 424 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: overall numbers and now we gain control of the border. 425 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: He put the numbers to the highest level that we've 426 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: ever seen. We call it the Boris wave in the country, 427 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: a wave of loth skill and no wave migrating from 428 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: outside of Europe. But he also lost control of the borders. 429 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: At the same time, Boris Johnson basically reinvented Nigel faraja career. 430 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: Nigel Faraja is really representing the revenge of voters on 431 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: the Conservative Party that told them down the river. In fact, 432 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: many Americans don't know this, but if you think Boris 433 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: Johnson is like a Winston Churchill figure, you know, you're 434 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: you know, smoking something very strong. Let me put it 435 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 2: like that, because what Boris Johnson did, you know what 436 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 2: he did? He even removed the requirement for British company 437 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: to advertise jobs in Britain before they advertise for those jobs. Oversee, now, 438 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: Winston Churchill would have been a pool by Boris Johnson's 439 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: they've inclected Winston Churchill would around today a bit like 440 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: Margaret Thatcher. I suspect that they would be voting for 441 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: the Reform Party, not for the Tories. I mean, this 442 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: is the party that has really fundamentally lost touch with 443 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: the country because it's so far left on these culturally. 444 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: It refused to do whatever is necessary to regain control 445 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: of our boarder that Nigel frag has got this enormous 446 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 2: amount of space to move and operate in. And I 447 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: would predict that if you and I were to have 448 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: another conversation like this at the end of this year, 449 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: at the end of twenty twenty five, I would predict 450 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: with some confidence that not only will Reform be even 451 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: stronger in the national polls, but they will have a 452 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: number of prominent Conservative Party defectors. 453 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: I was going to ke you about that, because I've 454 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: heard rumors that Reese magg is considering and that other 455 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: people are considering joining the Reform Party from my friends overseas. 456 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: I I had that I've heard the same thing. I 457 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: know Suella Braverman's had many conversations, but that's been public anyway. 458 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: But I've heard private conversations existed as well, so I wouldn't. 459 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: There was a fantastic British show back in the day 460 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 2: before Kevin Spacey looked involved called House of Calm, and 461 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: as you know, one of the lines in that show 462 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: filmed down the road from where I'm speaking to you now, 463 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: and Weminster is you might think that I couldn't possibly comment. 464 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: Okay, it's very good you track you have tried. I 465 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: have your book actually right here. You've tracked national populism 466 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: throughout the globe. You wrote the first book before I 467 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: even wrote my book, and it was a big inspiration 468 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: for me. We have seen this narrative against of centrist 469 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: parties and politicians. They're paying lip service against mass migration. 470 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Before Angelo Miracle said multiculturalis was a failure. Before showpen 471 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: with the floodgates David Cameron so they would reduce the ration. 472 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: Kranton said that he was not Macroan before It's our 473 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Cozy said he was the inst immigration. None of it 474 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: ever happened, none of it ever did anything. And now 475 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing Mertz in Germany, we're seeing Macron and France. 476 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: We're seeing Starmer in the UK sit there and say 477 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: they're going to finally do something on immigration and multiculturalism. 478 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Is this is this exactly ten years ago or is 479 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: it has the center of the portable dynamics change such 480 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: because the rise of national pop isn't that they will 481 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: do something. 482 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: So my broad view of this is in twenty fifteen 483 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, the rise of Populace party was essentially an 484 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: invitation to the establishment to make the compromise on thee 485 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: around my great then they refused to do that. Past 486 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: forward ten years to where we are now, and those 487 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: parties have only become stronger everywhere Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Italy, 488 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: UK would reform Trumps back in the White House. I mean, basically, 489 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: if you look at the map of West and politics, 490 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: national populism is really it's turn of a jery and 491 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: I would suspect that that will continue so long as 492 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: we are dealing with the record rates of migration and 493 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: in the refusal of the liberal political class to make 494 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: a compromise with the party. I mean, if you look, 495 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: for example, at what's happening in Germany, it's nothing short 496 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: of remarkable the alternative for Germany at number one in 497 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: the opinion polls recently, and the establishment has basically done 498 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: whatever it can to refuse to allow the AfD into power. 499 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: It's already done a u turn on the promises to 500 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: clim down on migration, and again you see this refusal 501 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: to compromise with the voters who were saying, I'm not 502 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: going to. 503 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Live by this. 504 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 2: You know, I mean I've gone on a political journey 505 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: over the last nive years because I've been I guess, 506 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: like many voters out there, absolutely pulled the refusal of 507 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: people in the establishment just to do very simple things 508 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: like control who comes in and out of the country, 509 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: lower the overall rate of migration, clamp down on radical Islamism. 510 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: You know, Germany is now having almost weekly the tax 511 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: cars driving through market the neighborhood. You know, nobody wants 512 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: to live this way. And the public debate, I think 513 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: ryan is also shifting in that now. If you spend 514 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: any time online around the European political theme, there are 515 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: very many people now just calling for deportation or policies 516 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: like remigrate them. You know, I was speaking to the 517 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: Austrian freedom to yesterday. They canpaign openly on see of returning. 518 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: Like so, the public mood here is really changing quite 519 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: rapidly as well. And again that's a reflection. This is 520 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: all a reflection of the very deliberate political choices that 521 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: were taken by politician during the twentys and the twenty tens. 522 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago in the UK, it would 523 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: have seemed been thought of as you would have been 524 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: laughed at if you would have said, Nigel have Farage 525 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: was a real chance of ever being Prime minister. That 526 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: seems like it's a real, a real possibility in our 527 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: near future in the UK if things continue as they 528 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: are right now. Is there a world truly where we 529 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: wake up in five years from now? In twenty thirty, 530 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Bardella is the president of France. Farage is the 531 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: premise of the UK. The EFTY is the largest party 532 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: in Germany and Georgia. Maloney has the most stable government 533 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: in all of Europe and Italy. 534 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: Well cool, it's entirely wallsible, you just look at the 535 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: opinion poll at the moment. For Nigel Farage to get there, 536 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: he basically needs to maintain his current jactory. He needs 537 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: to follow Donald Trump and getting a team of people 538 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: around him. Trump was very collabor I think with the 539 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: light of art k Tossa, gad and jo Rebo Pelsa, 540 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Gabbadiela must just to sort of project a coalftin of people. 541 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: I think Nigel needs to do that and I think 542 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: that will happen. You know, there are a frank right, 543 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, there are question marks over you know, how 544 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: easy there for an insurgent outside a party to transition 545 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: to an insider party of government. There are some very 546 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: real challenges there that will need to behind out. But 547 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: everything you just pointed to is entirely possible. Look, if 548 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: you said for me that would essentially be controlling the 549 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: Netherlands or the Sweden, Democrats would essentially be controlling Sweden. 550 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: You know, ten years ago I would have laughed at you, 551 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: would have said that it's just not going to happen. 552 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: But such as the pace of demographic change in Europe, 553 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: And that's what it's about. It's not really the economy, 554 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: the pate of demographic change. It's the fact that you know, 555 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: sixty percent of young people in schools in the Austria 556 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: don't speak German. You know, it's the fact that one 557 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: in four kids in Britain's primary schools don't speak English 558 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: at their main language. You know, these kinds of things 559 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: that are making people sit up and say, rightly or wrongly, 560 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: I'm losing my country. I feel as though, actually the 561 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: civilizational it's not even about it's not about the detail 562 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: of policy anymore. It's this sense of, well, I'm losing 563 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: the thing that I recognize. I'm losing my identity, my community, 564 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: my sense of history. And I think obviously, you know, 565 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: we've had multiculturalism in Europe for twenty thirty years, but 566 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: already now fifteen years on from David Cameron say multiculturalism failed, 567 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: Nicola Farco, Angela Merkel, they've all come out and said 568 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: to play fifteen years on, no frontline politician has articulated 569 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: what is the successor what is the next policy framework 570 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: to multiculturalism. All they've given people is more migration with 571 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: no integration. And I don't think that's the same thing. 572 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: And at the same time you've had this immense demographic change, 573 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: you've had very prominent people on the left saying very 574 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: having very genocidal language about waits and saying that waits 575 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: don't bull basically anywhere. I mean, you have the conversation 576 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: right now on South Africans that they have no historical 577 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: representation the Afrikaners in South Africa. It's just it's it's insane. 578 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: I have one last question for you is are we 579 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: ever going to see a Matt Goodwin stand up for 580 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: a parliamentary seat. 581 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: You might think that I couldn't possibly comment, well, I'll say, 582 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: let me, let me, let me just say one thing. 583 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: It is quite an important point I did say recently 584 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: on X I said, you know, my, my my reaction 585 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: as I've pivoted away from academia into the public debate. 586 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: I think we probably have two national elections to save 587 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: the UK, to genuinely turn it around. And Elon Musk 588 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: actually was one of the people that popped up in 589 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 2: the replies and he'd said, no, you have one election 590 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: web to save the UK. And I think it's that 591 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: sort of sense of if we really don't tackle the 592 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: fundamental suit, leave the European Convention on Human Rights reformed 593 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: and you Blair legislative legacy, have an immediate freeze on 594 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: mass of controlled IMMI grape and our sense of identity agreement. 595 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: If we don't really get a government that it's going 596 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: to do a kind of Trump style, you know, shock 597 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: and all kind of political campaign. It's very, very difficult 598 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: to see how the country gets out of what we're 599 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: living in, which is it's fine. I mean I always 600 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: run into Americans in London always say the same thing, which, well, 601 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: I haven't been to the UK in many years, and 602 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I'm shocked by what I see. 603 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: I can't lave that the UK lost their last steal manufacturer. 604 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,239 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I don't know. I asked one 605 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: of my British friends the other day, James Johnson. I 606 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: asked him what does the UK produce? And he said, 607 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: we have really good universities. And I said, oh, that's 608 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: not a good sign. 609 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: That's not well. Absolutely, we've not only closed our own 610 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: field factory, but we're now importing and we've closed our 611 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: cold factories. We're now importing coal and else and other resources. 612 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: That twice surprised some other countrying that zero infanity in 613 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: the industrializing much of our working class community. Then often 614 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 2: that's happening under a labor government. I mean, that's what's 615 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 2: so absolutely outrageous about this, the labor government of smashing 616 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: the working clouds depart. I mean, that's why Nigel Barrage 617 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 2: is the most popular politician among the working class. It's 618 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: why many counterparts across the Europe are doing very well 619 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: among blue collar workers. So look, you and I both 620 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: know if we step back, we know that the political 621 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 2: RELI the political realignment that you and I talked about, 622 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: you know years ago, I remember that conversation while talking 623 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: about the ongoing reshaping of Wettern politics. This is now 624 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: really seeing that realignment going to televot. It's now fatally 625 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: moving in Parsley. There are of that. There are beneficiaries 626 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: of that, like Nigel Barrage, and there are losers of that, 627 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: like the British story. 628 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: Well, I sure the media will handle it. 629 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: It will accelerate. 630 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure the media will handle this change X with 631 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: the most care and responsibility and not be hyperbolic at all. Matthew, 632 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: Where can people go to read your stuff? Aside your 633 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: backopn dot org, which is great, I highly recommend your substack. 634 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: Where else does reach your tough Yeah, that's that's the 635 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: main outlet we're obviously we're on all the social media 636 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: platform too, and likewise we learn a lot from your pizza. 637 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: So great to touch base with you, and I wish 638 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: you and all of your readers and listeners are really great, 639 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: a really great time. And you know, please open up 640 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 2: in the sylum of Brits fleeing kir Starmer's Britain. Do please. 641 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: I will be the first from the key. 642 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. 643 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: Thank Scott. 644 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be right back after this and now for 645 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: the Ask Me Anything segment of the show. If you 646 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: want to be part of the Ask Me Anything seg 647 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: when you could email me ryanat numbers Game dot com. Sorry, 648 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: that's wrong, you could email me I'm not even gonna 649 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: edit that. Just leave that in Ryan at numbers Game 650 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. Email me at ryanat numbers Game podcast 651 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: dot com. I'd love to get your questions. I'd love 652 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: to sit there and answer them. This one actually came 653 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: a guy and Fred, who said, Hey, would you think 654 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party would ever nominate a Jew, specifically 655 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: Governor Shapiro from Pennsylvania. That is a great question there 656 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: is especially Governor Shapiro is a very strong support of 657 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: the Nation of Israel. He's a Zionist. As far as 658 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: I could tell he's a Zionist. Don't if he's said 659 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: that word explicitly, but he is a big supporter of Israel, 660 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: and I think that he doesn't stand a chance hardly 661 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: because of it. I think there's a deep, deep seated 662 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: belief of anti Semitism, a deep trait of anti Semitism 663 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: going on the Democratic Party right now. I think it's 664 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: very real. I think it comes from the fact that 665 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: Democrats have been trained that whiteness is the enemy, and 666 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: they equate Jews with being white and Palasans with being brown, 667 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: and they understand only the oppress or oppressy complex. That's 668 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: the only thing that they truly understand. I don't have 669 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: a lot of strong feelings about the personal politics of 670 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: what goes on in Israel. I'm not extremely well read, 671 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: and I know a little bit, but I don't know 672 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: enough to sit there and speak on it publicly. That 673 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: being said October seventh was a terrorist attack and however 674 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: Israel wants to respond to massacre like that is essentially 675 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: pretty okay with me. I mean, within limits, but essentially 676 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: okay with me. And I think with most people follow 677 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: October seventh in the Democratic Party, they look at you know, 678 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: the retaliation October seventh as a war crime, and they 679 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: think of Benjamin now Who as a war criminal. And 680 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: I think that anyone who takes too fervent up stand 681 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: two on him will be a problem. And also, this 682 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 1: is the last point I want to make. I've talked 683 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: about this a number of times on television and on 684 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: this podcast we told Immigrations podcast. We bring in so 685 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: many Muslim immigrants into this country every year, and their 686 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: birth rate is high enough that we are probably within 687 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: the decade, maybe a decade and a half, will have 688 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: more Muslims living in this country than Jews, and their 689 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: political weight will matter more. They will be in states 690 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: like Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, swing states, swing states that matter, 691 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: and in order to win those votes, you will need 692 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: to appeal more to Palestine than to Israel. And I 693 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: think that it's a calculation in the minds of many 694 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: many Democrats. So I don't think that that's going to happen. 695 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't think this support Josh Bureau for that reason, 696 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: and I think going in the long term, in the 697 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: long term future, I think that progressive Jewish Democrats who 698 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: have spent their entire career bashing Christians and whites and 699 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: everything else. 700 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: Will. 701 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: Will look back at our mass migration that they have 702 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: supported endlessly and realize it is the undoing on a 703 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: lot of things that on the undoing of the strongest 704 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: support of Israel ever had. So but that's sad, but 705 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: that's what I believe will happen. It's a little bit 706 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: down earth to end the podcast, but it is what 707 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: I feel and what I believe, and I just give 708 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: you the truth as it is. So please be part 709 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: of the Numbers Game Podcast questionnaire. Email me on Ryan 710 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: at Numbers gamepodcast dot com, Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com, 711 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: or tweet me and I will try to answer your 712 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: questions next week. 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