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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is a wonderful Wednesday edition
Speaker 1: of Mick Shots says, we have officially begun Cardinals week.
Speaker 1: Here at the Star in Frisco. Bill Jones along with
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. Everson Walls in transit right now after a
Speaker 1: canceled flight this morning. So shocking, right, not that he's
Speaker 1: in transit, but the canceled flight portrait of that is
Speaker 1: not shocking. And so no Everson today. He will be
Speaker 1: back tomorrow. But the football team is on the football
Speaker 1: field and they just dallous. Football team is on the
Speaker 1: football field. And they just finished practice too, by the way,
Speaker 1: all right, And I did not notice any pads today,
Speaker 1: No pads. It was another light practice. McCarthy said that
Speaker 1: they would put on the helmets and shells tomorrow for
Speaker 1: their more extensive practice. But he's still trying to sort
Speaker 1: of restore energy or preserve energy this late in the season.
Speaker 1: And not try to wear his team out in practices.
Speaker 1: So they've been going light like this for the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and continuing virtual meetings. Well, they got
Speaker 1: plenty of exercise on Sunday night when you score fifty
Speaker 1: six points. Yeah, but they only had to play three
Speaker 1: quarters too, so they preserved more energy in that game too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think they got some good. So
Speaker 1: here's what I got here. We have a pool report
Speaker 1: because of the COVID protocols. Are you the pool reporter?
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman and Nick Eatman I think combined to do it?
Speaker 1: So how do we know? You and me know that
Speaker 1: they weren't in padgs today without having seen the pool
Speaker 1: room because the pool report says practice was outdoors, also overcast,
Speaker 1: with no shells or helmets, jerseys in caps, similar to
Speaker 1: last Wednesday's practice. Okay, and I'll pull back the curtain
Speaker 1: a little bit. Our s to BBC podcast studio happens
Speaker 1: to be about twenty feet from the practice field. Now
Speaker 1: we are not allowed to watch practice or go out
Speaker 1: to the practice field, but the windows are there there. Yes,
Speaker 1: we do see it. I purposely do not stop and
Speaker 1: watch practice. I'll say that, but I can't help but
Speaker 1: see that they didn't have pads on today. Yes, and
Speaker 1: as I said, it's a pool report, so hopefully nobody
Speaker 1: because I heard somebody say, well, Kelvin Watkins reported, well, no,
Speaker 1: he read the pool report, so he didn't have anything
Speaker 1: anybody else didn't have. So in order on the practice today,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard spent the first fifteen minutes of practice off
Speaker 1: to the side on the chords with trainer Britt Brown,
Speaker 1: and that's what he's been doing since he suffered the
Speaker 1: foot injury. Did it all last week for the first
Speaker 1: portion of practice and then went into practice and as
Speaker 1: we saw in the game, they seems to be handling
Speaker 1: the plantar fascida just fine. Also, Tyrann Smith was participating
Speaker 1: in individual drills. Both McCarthy, Jerry Jones Stephen Jones say
Speaker 1: they're very optimistic that he'll be ready to go in
Speaker 1: this game. And do you rely if indeed he starts
Speaker 1: with I think they're planning on it. It'll be the
Speaker 1: first time those five guys have all started in the
Speaker 1: same game. Interesting, and I went back. I doubted that
Speaker 1: when I first heard it, and so if you think
Speaker 1: about it, um Lele Collins, Zach Martin missed the first game, right,
Speaker 1: I thought the New Orleans game, they were there. Let
Speaker 1: me check, I mean checking, I'm checking out. Check. Don't
Speaker 1: think so, because they hadn't made the change at the
Speaker 1: guard position yet. I don't know. Oh yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: those five meaning Connor Williams in for Connor McGaugh. Right,
Speaker 1: that's right, And now Connor Williams was available. That was
Speaker 1: one game they had all of their guys available, right,
Speaker 1: And I think maybe Connor Williams in that game played
Speaker 1: a little fullback, I mean Connor, Yeah, Connor william played
Speaker 1: a little fullback I think, and then they went back.
Speaker 1: Actually he only played one play on offense in the
Speaker 1: New Orleans game. Well, in that game, Terr and Steel
Speaker 1: had COVID that game, and so it was the following
Speaker 1: week at Washington Is where they had everybody. Everybody and
Speaker 1: that was Connor Williams had thirteen snaps as a fullback
Speaker 1: in that game, as Connor McGovern was the starter at
Speaker 1: left guard. Right, So it looks good for those guys.
Speaker 1: Also good news on the COVID front. Malik Hooker and
Speaker 1: Treston Hill were both activated from reserve. COVID were in
Speaker 1: practicing in the portion open that's regularly open to the media. Also,
Speaker 1: Chiquon Hardy and Brandon Smith were also participating after being restirreed, restored,
Speaker 1: restored to the practice squad, so they are off the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lists. Noah Brown, remember him, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: out with a groin He was practicing too, so they
Speaker 1: have moved him off of well, he was on IR
Speaker 1: now he's on IR designated to return. So that opens
Speaker 1: a twenty day window, twenty one day window along with
Speaker 1: Jay with Vasher and Josh Ball who already had been
Speaker 1: activated and because of Bernard Francis Bernard's injury. I believe
Speaker 1: it was a groin injury. Uh, they've added DeVante Bond
Speaker 1: to the practice squad, so they needed another linebacker to
Speaker 1: kind of help him out through practice on the designated
Speaker 1: to return rules. Because we talked about it last week
Speaker 1: on Ball and who's the other one that they activated
Speaker 1: or they well vashera and um, where was the other guy?
Speaker 1: It was Josh Ball. Josh Josh Ball was the main
Speaker 1: one I was talking about, right, and we surmise that
Speaker 1: were three weeks left in the season, that would be
Speaker 1: a three week window where that he could practice with
Speaker 1: the team exactly. So my question is how does that
Speaker 1: extend into the postseason or done? Part? I don't know that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm wondering, is with this he can continue practicing?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and because what they've done now with it
Speaker 1: was Noah Brown. All right, so your three week window
Speaker 1: obviously that takes you to the first week of the
Speaker 1: playoffs there. Yeah, So I'm wondering if do they have
Speaker 1: to then make a decision on Josh Ball after the
Speaker 1: end of the regular season whether he can still practice
Speaker 1: with the team in the postseason? Right, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you But the thing you can do on
Speaker 1: that too, you just the window expires and you can
Speaker 1: start it anew or has he gone done or I
Speaker 1: think you're just done? Is he done? Then you revert
Speaker 1: to injured reserve. Okay, he does, and he cannot and
Speaker 1: it cannot be exercised. Again, Let's say the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: a need two weeks into the postseason, they he would
Speaker 1: not be an option, I think, I think, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that's the way that one goes. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: your update. So Malie Cooker and Tristan Hill both back
Speaker 1: in practice or at least the portion that the pool
Speaker 1: reporter was able to watch. And just understand there was
Speaker 1: a pool reporter. The media is not being allowed into
Speaker 1: the building and various protocols going on. That came out
Speaker 1: yesterday and NFL sent out a notice that for those
Speaker 1: media members that want to cover playoff games, they have
Speaker 1: to have proofs proof of their booster shot by j
Speaker 1: January twelve, which is the Wednesday prior to the wild
Speaker 1: card games in the postseason as it stands right now,
Speaker 1: and I would assume it's going to continue into the postseason.
Speaker 1: And the reason there is a pool reporter is across
Speaker 1: the league, the NFL is not allowing reporters basically into
Speaker 1: the facility these unless you work for the team, and
Speaker 1: even if you work for the team something, you don't
Speaker 1: have access. Yeah, and you don't have access unless you're
Speaker 1: a pool reporter to the practice. So everybody understands. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's daily interview is now a WebEx interview and at
Speaker 1: least they've got him on camera and it kind of
Speaker 1: looks like he's talking to us and you could see
Speaker 1: us too, so that helps out. And the same thing's
Speaker 1: going to happen with the players and they're doing those
Speaker 1: right now, and those are going on right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: So anyway, that gives you an update of what sort
Speaker 1: of is going on around here. And I would imagine
Speaker 1: we have a heck of a lot to talk about, Yes,
Speaker 1: we do. And of course one of those things that
Speaker 1: we will talk about was the news that came down
Speaker 1: last night about the loss of John Madden. And we'll
Speaker 1: spend some time here talking about John Madden and his
Speaker 1: impact on Cowboys fans through the years here. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do that in our second segment. Okay, do that time
Speaker 1: to it. Yep. And of course passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of eighty five, and the NFL made that announcement
Speaker 1: around six o'clock last night, said he died unexpectedly yesterday morning,
Speaker 1: but he had the family he had been. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly was, but for the last three
Speaker 1: or four years, he's I think you've probably seen him
Speaker 1: sort of disappear from a public person. I should say,
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing interviews anymore. Um. And uh so he
Speaker 1: had been battling something for for quite some time. Um.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the family didn't expect the time to
Speaker 1: come when it did. Yeah, yesterday morning, which is and
Speaker 1: I know we're going to get into this, but to
Speaker 1: set it up, he ends up passing away two days
Speaker 1: after Fox Sports ninety minute documentary that showed on Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: I guess three days. I guess, I said two days.
Speaker 1: And they acted and that was the first thing I've
Speaker 1: seen him do, because they did a really neat thing.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, so for those of you
Speaker 1: who have not seen it, watch it. It is really riveting,
Speaker 1: really well done, one of the best I think I've
Speaker 1: seen in quite some time. But one of the elements
Speaker 1: they used was they allowed John to sit in front
Speaker 1: of a big screen and watch it, so he got
Speaker 1: to see the and you got to see his reaction
Speaker 1: to some of the things they had on the and
Speaker 1: that's how they used him in the In the video,
Speaker 1: you know, they had old interviews, old video stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but that's how they basically used him in the documentary,
Speaker 1: him watching what other people were saying about him, and
Speaker 1: he did make a few comments. All I'm telling you
Speaker 1: is you gotta watch it. It was John Madden, This
Speaker 1: is your Life, Yes basically. Yeah, all right, So we'll
Speaker 1: talk more about Madden coming up here in the next segment.
Speaker 1: You know, as I like to do, I like to
Speaker 1: go behind enemy lines and listen to talk radio in
Speaker 1: the opposing city each week. I've tuned in a little
Speaker 1: bit to Phoenix Radio in the last couple of days.
Speaker 1: And that is a team, the Arizona Cardinals that is
Speaker 1: reeling right now. As everyone knows, they've lost three in
Speaker 1: a row. They're three and five since starting the season
Speaker 1: seven and zero. It's going to be a motivated team
Speaker 1: coming in here on Sunday to play the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: they've wrapped up a playoff spot. They do want to
Speaker 1: win their division obviously, and they've got this game and
Speaker 1: then they close against Seattle and they got the Rams
Speaker 1: that are the division leaders right now. But more than anything,
Speaker 1: they need to get to play in football better again.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's their main motivation coming in here.
Speaker 1: And by the way, uh, this will be of interest
Speaker 1: to you. They're gonna go behind enemy lines because our
Speaker 1: former teammate and I was wondering, sat in with us
Speaker 1: many times on Mick Shots. Danny Sereku is now working
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals kind of running their production department,
Speaker 1: the video TV. She went their mid season yeah about
Speaker 1: the earl. It was I thought it was about the
Speaker 1: time they were seven, And oh, I was gonna blame
Speaker 1: Danny for I think she started. I think she started.
Speaker 1: All it was light at the beginning. All right, So
Speaker 1: we'll give her. We're gonna we're gonna do a little
Speaker 1: zoom things and she's going to interview me. How about that?
Speaker 1: All right? So uh, and she's doing well and loves it,
Speaker 1: so good for her. Of course, she's from right here
Speaker 1: in Dallas, and so I bet she can't wait to
Speaker 1: come back here and another great universe in Missouri. That's
Speaker 1: exactly right, that's right. And of course Kyler Murray, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at the Cardinals and we'll get into more
Speaker 1: of them in the next couple of days, but you
Speaker 1: look at where their season kind of went sideways here
Speaker 1: in the last couple of months. He got hurt, missed
Speaker 1: three games. Colt McCoy came in for him and actually
Speaker 1: was two and one as the starting quarterback, and so
Speaker 1: it's kind of been since then. It's you know, they
Speaker 1: lost DeAndre Hopkins to an injury, and so things have
Speaker 1: gone haywire for them. But when he looked back to
Speaker 1: last year, I think Kyler Murray continued his streak of
Speaker 1: being undefeated at AT and T Stadium. Yep, and here
Speaker 1: he comes again, yep. So it's well, it'll be even
Speaker 1: a newer year come right, That's right, And so it's
Speaker 1: time for the Cowboys to do to break that streak
Speaker 1: that he started not only at Alan High School, but
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma and then with the Cardinals. You know, he
Speaker 1: didn't play all that well against himself against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: last year. He was errant with some passes early, but
Speaker 1: he had a big bomb to Christian Kirk and you
Speaker 1: know that got the Cardinals going in that game, and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals had their way with the Cowboys. But that
Speaker 1: was a totally different Cowboys team of yeah, and a
Speaker 1: totally different defense too, by the way, and dan Quinn
Speaker 1: had done a wonderful job. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: probably I don't know if we had a chance to
Speaker 1: mention that yesterday that Jacksonville had contacted the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: permission to interview Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore for their
Speaker 1: vacant We did talk about the coaching job. I think
Speaker 1: what we didn't talk about was all the other guys
Speaker 1: that they are either have interviewed or will interview. They're
Speaker 1: interviewing six coordinators, so I gave you two. And then
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay's offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich who played for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Also Tampa Bay's defensive coordinator Todd Bowles. Again shows you
Speaker 1: when you win a Super Bowl, everybody's trying to poach
Speaker 1: guys that help you win that Super Bowl. Also former
Speaker 1: Cowboys linebacker coach now the Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus,
Speaker 1: and also Nathaniel Hackett, the Packers offensive coordinator. Paul Hackett's son,
Speaker 1: former Cowboy assistant offensive coordinator. He will be interviewing. And
Speaker 1: then they's also been reported that they have shown interest
Speaker 1: in Doug Peterson and Lyon's former head coach, Jim Caldwell.
Speaker 1: And I understand. I think I saw on Twitter just
Speaker 1: here within the last hour that they are interviewing Peterson tomorrow. Tomorrow,
Speaker 1: that's when his Have you heard anything about the timeline
Speaker 1: on when they might interview more so, and any clarification
Speaker 1: on does that need to happen prior to the end
Speaker 1: of the regular It? Does that need to happen prior
Speaker 1: to the end of the regular It can happen, Yes,
Speaker 1: just because it opened yesterday to at grant permission, and
Speaker 1: just listening to McCarthy, I got the idea that you know,
Speaker 1: Friday Saturday once basically, as they say in the business,
Speaker 1: the haze in the barn, that they would have time
Speaker 1: to be able to do that and still take care
Speaker 1: of whatever business they have with the Cowboys. But if
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all those candidates, I don't know Byron
Speaker 1: Leftwich's name comes out to me. Yeah, played there, people
Speaker 1: know him. It's done a really good job in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Although I don't know that he could bring Tom Brady
Speaker 1: with him, but he's got a young quarterback that you
Speaker 1: know you could work with, and you bring in a
Speaker 1: good another good quarterback coach, and you've got an offensive
Speaker 1: quordinator who played in the league that certainly would help
Speaker 1: him out. And they should have a whole lot of
Speaker 1: draft talent capital capital. That's what I was looking for,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine still have a bunch of free
Speaker 1: agency capital too to spend. They always seem to have
Speaker 1: a lot of money, so um, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: a bad situation when you think you have your franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback and uh, there's an Ian Rappaport report. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: see that. Just getting this from Chris Beam, it sounds
Speaker 1: sounds like Quinn will interview after the regular season. He
Speaker 1: turned down during the season. During an interview than these
Speaker 1: two weeks, he says he'll do it after the season
Speaker 1: is over. And he does that mean after the season's
Speaker 1: over or after the regular season's over? I bet at
Speaker 1: him after the regular season is over, Okay, not during
Speaker 1: the during the byeway. Yeah, yeah, very good. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I would do it during the byeway. All right.
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Speaker 1: on the Dan Quinn talk that we were and the
Speaker 1: possibility that he would interview with Jacksonville. They've requested permission
Speaker 1: and he has indicated, according to reports, that he will
Speaker 1: not interview with them until the season is over, and
Speaker 1: that means the season is over, not the regular season
Speaker 1: is over. It is a two week window that leads
Speaker 1: that gives teams that have a head coach vacancy here
Speaker 1: but prior to the start of the playoffs opportunity to
Speaker 1: talk with an assistant coach with other teams with permission.
Speaker 1: So the other thing to point out is just because
Speaker 1: you're getting interviewed doesn't mean you know you're dead set
Speaker 1: on getting the job. I can remember when Sean Payton
Speaker 1: was interviewed by Al Davis for the Raiders' head coaching
Speaker 1: job when he was with the Cowboys, and that would
Speaker 1: have been two thousand and five, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: think he just had a few misgivings of taking over
Speaker 1: the Raiders at that time, not knowing who the quarterback
Speaker 1: was going to be. And I remember he turned the
Speaker 1: job down and somebody in the national media said he
Speaker 1: just committed professional suicide because if you turn down Al Davis,
Speaker 1: you know who else is going to come after you. Well,
Speaker 1: the next year, the Saints came knocking at the door.
Speaker 1: And how that turn out. He's still there. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: I think so and uh. And then Mike Zimmer had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to become the head coach at the University
Speaker 1: of Nebraska and went through the Inner forty practice and
Speaker 1: US process, and he's he ended up turning that down
Speaker 1: and ended up being coming defensive coordinator and then a
Speaker 1: head coach, So you know what and and sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: from from Zim's standpoint, he just didn't want to go
Speaker 1: back and recruit, you know, go on the road and
Speaker 1: deal with eighteen year old kids and um, you know
Speaker 1: it's one thing to recruit free agent. That does not
Speaker 1: seem like something that he would enjoy, no, right, because
Speaker 1: it was he was at Washington State nineteen ninety four
Speaker 1: ninety five US when he came here. Zim was he
Speaker 1: at Washington or Weber State. He was at Weber for sure,
Speaker 1: with David Campbell, and that's out of campell O think
Speaker 1: I thought he might have been at just prior to
Speaker 1: coming here, But it was ninety four season. I believe
Speaker 1: ninety because he came as a defensive assistant and then
Speaker 1: he became the secondary coach after Campo was named the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator after Butch Davis. He was in his thirties then,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot a little different recruiting college kids
Speaker 1: when you're thirty two instead of sixty two. So interesting
Speaker 1: note on Zim, as we're getting off track here, but
Speaker 1: he was a grad assistant at the University of Missouri
Speaker 1: when I was there covering the team for the Columbia Tribune.
Speaker 1: He's older than I had him then, and I got
Speaker 1: to and I got to know him then. And when
Speaker 1: he showed up here, he looked and I looked at him, going,
Speaker 1: no kidding, you're the guy, the young guy that you know.
Speaker 1: It was basically sort of my age at that time.
Speaker 1: He would still be sort of your age, and he
Speaker 1: probably still old at that time. He was all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk John Madden. There's so much that I mean,
Speaker 1: you could, as we talked about with the documentary on him,
Speaker 1: there's there's not enough time in the day to talk
Speaker 1: about all the John Madden stories. But let's you know,
Speaker 1: especially his impact as far as cowboys fans are concerned.
Speaker 1: You know, you look back at his career and he
Speaker 1: what people may not realize at such a young age.
Speaker 1: He became the head coach of the Oakland Raiders and
Speaker 1: ten years as a head coach throughout the decade of
Speaker 1: the seventies until seventy eight seventy nine, and retired at
Speaker 1: age forty two. Went right into the broadcast booth and
Speaker 1: the legend continued from there. Yeah, and I was fortunate
Speaker 1: to have a couple brushes with him, the ones that
Speaker 1: stick out. I was at the two thousand and six
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame induction covering basically Troy Aikman.
Speaker 1: That's the year he was inducted, and that was the
Speaker 1: year John went in and I think everybody remembers his speech,
Speaker 1: his induction speech, and the thing that always hit me
Speaker 1: and still does every time I walk into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame rotunda where the busts are as, he basically says,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that when the lights go off in the
Speaker 1: building and everybody leaves the Hall of Fame, that the busts,
Speaker 1: the busts talk to each other. And it just I
Speaker 1: don't know, but when I walk in there, I could
Speaker 1: visualize what he was thinking, right, and I just thought
Speaker 1: that was just a wonderful thing, way to put things right.
Speaker 1: And then that the year before two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys played back to back games at San
Speaker 1: Francisco and Oakland, and Bill kept the Cowboys team there.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to travel back and forth, so we stayed
Speaker 1: in San Francisco Oakland area. John Madden had Rich Dealrymple,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys executive vice president of public relations, put together
Speaker 1: a group and we got bust to his town where
Speaker 1: he was living Pleasantonalfourgnia, and he treated us to dinner
Speaker 1: at his favorite steakhouse, and it was like, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? We're doing this with John Madden. And then
Speaker 1: the last thing from a personal standpoint, and you know
Speaker 1: when you do. You've been in the business as long
Speaker 1: as we have, you've met people, you don't get star struck.
Speaker 1: I think it's only happened to me. I think I
Speaker 1: told you this story twice. Maybe. The fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 1: the m B All Star Game was at Comiskey Park,
Speaker 1: and you know, my guy growing up as a White
Speaker 1: Sox fan was Louie Apparizio, and they had the old
Speaker 1: timer's game and interviews in the locker room or whatever
Speaker 1: they call it the clubhouse, and I just couldn't bring
Speaker 1: myself to ask him a question. I was just like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't right. Right. When I was ten years old,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Louie Apparizio, right, we were about
Speaker 1: the same size. And then that time in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six at the Super Bowl when I interviewed Bart Starr,
Speaker 1: who I idolized growing up a Packers fan, And that
Speaker 1: was when Troy they were We were asking questions about
Speaker 1: if Troy deserved to be in right, and that's when
Speaker 1: he poked me in the chest when he answered my question,
Speaker 1: going Bart stars hit me in the chest. Right. But
Speaker 1: you know, when the Cowboys got good, it was summer,
Speaker 1: all in Madden doing the game games right, and they
Speaker 1: were always at the ranch, always around in the press box.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how it happened, but I remember
Speaker 1: passing him and he said, hi, Mickey Well and I
Speaker 1: said he knows who. And it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: And I thought that was like the coolest thing ever
Speaker 1: that John Madden knew who I was just from covering
Speaker 1: the Cowboys being right. He got on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: This might have been before Dallas Cowboys dot com too.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly the timing of it, but well,
Speaker 1: he got the clips. Yeah, he was doing research, right.
Speaker 1: Those guys do the research they know. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, that time, I think I told you when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were playing the Eagles, and this was just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and one of their former players,
Speaker 1: was doing radio for him. He was the analyst on radio,
Speaker 1: and ended up in the elevator at AT and T
Speaker 1: Stadium with him going up to the press box before
Speaker 1: the game, and uh, and I knew who he was
Speaker 1: and I said something to him and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes listen to talking cowboys all the time. That's
Speaker 1: so he was doing his research, right, figuring out if
Speaker 1: he can find stuff out, probably for the head coach.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know your memories of Madden,
Speaker 1: you know, and for us, you just need to understand
Speaker 1: we remember him as the head coach right where you
Speaker 1: remember him as the TV guy, not Madden. And that's
Speaker 1: why I yeah, that's why I thought it was cool
Speaker 1: that they named the documentary all Madden. It was pretty neat. Yep.
Speaker 1: And um, you know, as you alluded to earlier, he
Speaker 1: here in his latter years at reclusive lifestyle. He wasn't
Speaker 1: in the limelight out in public much at all. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this this may have been close to
Speaker 1: one of his last public appearances was at Pat summer
Speaker 1: All's memorial service. Pat passed away. Of course, Pat lived
Speaker 1: here in Dallas and South Lake and he passed away
Speaker 1: April twenty thirteen, So that's now been more than eight
Speaker 1: years ago. It's that long. Yeah, and um and and
Speaker 1: John Madden delivered the eulogy at Prestonwood Baptist Church here
Speaker 1: and I was I was here at the memorial service
Speaker 1: as a moving tribute. You can I'm gonna I'll find
Speaker 1: it and tweeted out the link on YouTube. Uh. He
Speaker 1: talked about fifteen minutes about Pat. But um, it was
Speaker 1: really great and um just telling stories and stuff and
Speaker 1: and and how much Pat, how close they were, how
Speaker 1: you know, they worked together for twenty two years and
Speaker 1: but beyond that they were they were close friends. You know,
Speaker 1: there are some people you worked with him for twenty
Speaker 1: two years and and you know you just, uh, you're
Speaker 1: not necessarily close friends, but they were. And you know,
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity. It was the last eight years
Speaker 1: of Pat's life. Pat was in a Bible study that
Speaker 1: I'm in and it's still going out eight years later.
Speaker 1: Pat was always the first one there. Apparently I wasn't
Speaker 1: always the first. I was usually the last one there.
Speaker 1: But I'm told that, you know, Pat would would get
Speaker 1: there first, and he would tell stories. One of the
Speaker 1: stories that he loved to tell about John Madden was Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Whenever the first CBS and then Fox teams were here
Speaker 1: doing a Thanksgiving game, Pat would have the whole broadcast
Speaker 1: crew at his house in South Lake for a dinner
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night, and Pat said, the only time that
Speaker 1: he ever saw John Madden speechless was the time it
Speaker 1: was a Wednesday before the Thanksgiving game and they were
Speaker 1: about to have dinner with the whole broadcast team there.
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking production crew, everybody there, so there's
Speaker 1: probably dozens of people there. And so they were about
Speaker 1: sitting down to dinner and Pat said, you know what,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice if John, maybe you could say grace
Speaker 1: and give thanks before before we sit down to eat.
Speaker 1: He looked at the direction of Madden and he said,
Speaker 1: Madden turn beat for the first time. It was a
Speaker 1: bit about that time. John Webber, the Cowboys late the
Speaker 1: team chaplain, who was standing behind Madden, started with our
Speaker 1: father in Heaven, we want to give Summer always was
Speaker 1: looking in the direction of John. But it wasn't Madden.
Speaker 1: It was Webber that but he always he would always
Speaker 1: tell that story at Thanksgiving. Tied the time that that
Speaker 1: John Madden was speechless. He asked him to say grace.
Speaker 1: And one of the things you also need to do
Speaker 1: is go on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Jerry Jones had
Speaker 1: a statement and it's pretty long. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read the whole thing, but I thought this paragraph really
Speaker 1: summarized John Madden. He said, when he walked into the room,
Speaker 1: it was a better day. When he talked, you listened
Speaker 1: and you learned. When he laughed, everyone in the room laughed.
Speaker 1: And when he got back on the bus to leave,
Speaker 1: you always wanted more. You were always looking forward to
Speaker 1: his next visit. And I think he's He's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And if you if you remember, you know he hated
Speaker 1: to fly, which was one of the reasons he quit coaching.
Speaker 1: And then he gets into the TV business and he
Speaker 1: started on the train. He was mister Amtrak and that
Speaker 1: was taken too long with the Madden cruiser idea on
Speaker 1: the bus, and you know what, because of that, we
Speaker 1: came up with that idea to do the Cowboys bus
Speaker 1: going to training camp for several years to Oxnard. Also
Speaker 1: Emery our bus driver, Emily Tyler, we did the roundabout
Speaker 1: trip to San Antonio. We didn't just take the four
Speaker 1: and a half hour drive down I thirty five. We
Speaker 1: went through the hill country, we went down to the
Speaker 1: valley and came back up through Corpus Christi to San
Speaker 1: Antonio for training camp. But it was because of what
Speaker 1: John was doing that was like, oh that sounds pretty cool,
Speaker 1: and it was you got to see America and he
Speaker 1: did too. Here's another story that Pat told about him.
Speaker 1: You know how they became the voices of the Madden
Speaker 1: video game. Okay, they so when the video game first
Speaker 1: came out, they came to Pat and John and wanted
Speaker 1: them to be the voices. And then they so they
Speaker 1: started talking compensation, and so they had a choice. They
Speaker 1: could Pat, you could you can will pay you a
Speaker 1: fee for it, or we won't pay you a fee,
Speaker 1: but you get royalties, right, okay for the game. And
Speaker 1: so Pat took the fee. No, okay, yeah, he pay
Speaker 1: me the X amount of dollars. I'll do it, Okay.
Speaker 1: Madden didn't want the fee, he just wanted the royalties.
Speaker 1: Oh my, you know that town Pleasanton, California, right, The
Speaker 1: Madden family basically owns all the real estate and it's
Speaker 1: a it's a very nice area there by Oakland there
Speaker 1: in the Bay area all the Madden family. Basically they
Speaker 1: own all that land out there. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's since been developed in the documentary. And this is
Speaker 1: kind of spoiler alert here, but when you were talking
Speaker 1: about Thanksgiving, obviously there was a section on the tre Ducan.
Speaker 1: They interviewed the guy who came up with the idea
Speaker 1: for the or initially made him for John, and Nate
Speaker 1: Newton was part of it. They showed the boys in
Speaker 1: their Turkey lad and he always credits John Madden for
Speaker 1: getting him in the Pro Bowl. That you know, John
Speaker 1: was the one that kind of noted him had his
Speaker 1: name out there, and I also have since Everson couldn't
Speaker 1: be here, he said that he wanted to point this out.
Speaker 1: He said, John is mostly known to this generation through
Speaker 1: video games, to the generation before that the premier sports
Speaker 1: TV analyst, and to the generation before that championship NFL coach.
Speaker 1: He was the best to do do it in everything
Speaker 1: he ventured. So Everson wanted to make sure people knew
Speaker 1: that he also had some things to say about him.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've just said a note on my
Speaker 1: phone that Bill Belichick apparently spoke roughly seventeen minutes on
Speaker 1: John Madnett his press conference today, Well, he was he
Speaker 1: was a big you know what. It didn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that he was on there in the documentary Bill Parcels
Speaker 1: was on there. Lawrence Taylor. Lawrence Taylor had a lot
Speaker 1: to say about John Madden. It was it was riveting
Speaker 1: and part of it at times kind of a tier
Speaker 1: jerker too. Yeah, I mean it really was to hear
Speaker 1: what people had to say about him. Yea. And again
Speaker 1: I will tweet out I'll find that eulogy that he
Speaker 1: gave for a Pat Summer all because you know, if
Speaker 1: I think Pat would probably say the exact same things
Speaker 1: about John Madden that you'll hear in that you talk
Speaker 1: about tier jerkers. It's something that you got to see.
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Speaker 1: few minutes here of mixed shots, and we've got an
Speaker 1: honor for a Cowboys quarterback that happened earlier today. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it's the second time Dak Prescott's been named the
Speaker 1: NFC Offensive Player of the Week. The first time was
Speaker 1: after the New England game, and after this performance it
Speaker 1: was probably not a hard decision. Through for three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty yards against Washington, four touchdowns, completed, seventy one
Speaker 1: point eight percent of his passes, finished with a quarterback
Speaker 1: rating of one thirty one point four. Pretty good performance.
Speaker 1: So he basically won that in one half of play,
Speaker 1: and he because he only completed i think one more
Speaker 1: for nine yards in the second Yeah, for the second
Speaker 1: half and then retired. And we don't get to see
Speaker 1: that often with cowboy quarterbacks, by the way, over the
Speaker 1: last several years. Doesn't matter, it just doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So that's five times he's won the Player
Speaker 1: of the Week awards twice this year, okay, Yeah, rather
Speaker 1: amazing and kind of tells you the level that he
Speaker 1: played at. And they're hoping to continue that against Arizona, which,
Speaker 1: as we pointed out earlier, it is probably a pretty
Speaker 1: desperate team right now here, although they've played desperate teams before, right.
Speaker 1: Washington needed to win and they didn't. The Saints needed
Speaker 1: to win and they didn't. So now I'm thinking Arizona
Speaker 1: might be a little better, better team. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: we'll see what kind of effort they are able to
Speaker 1: muster on Sunday afternoon. All right, Gil Brandt all all
Speaker 1: Rookie defensive team and obviously Michael Parsons on it, but
Speaker 1: he also at defensive tackle OsO Diggi Zuoa. I like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he just basically pointed out how well the rookie played.
Speaker 1: With Neville Gallimore being out. Who would have started at
Speaker 1: that spot? You know, Carl Watkins missed a game or
Speaker 1: two with covid as I remember, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Ohsa probably played a heck of a lot more than
Speaker 1: he would have had Neville Galler more have been ready
Speaker 1: to start the season. And that's why one of the
Speaker 1: things that's going on with this defense now is they
Speaker 1: don't have to play Neville Gallim or fifty snaps a game.
Speaker 1: He can get in thirty and this guy gets twenty five.
Speaker 1: And the rotation that dan Quinn has going is rather
Speaker 1: remarkable at this time. And then you get everybody else healthy.
Speaker 1: With DeMarcus Lawrence coming in, Randy Gregory, we knew what
Speaker 1: he could do once he got back. Yeah, that front
Speaker 1: has been pretty potent. Also knowing that Dorence Armstrong got
Speaker 1: to play a heck of a lot more than expected
Speaker 1: because of Lawrence's injury, they exposed Parsons to various positions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this will be a good test though for
Speaker 1: the defense because Kyler Murray's one of those quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: he will extend the play, he will create plays, and
Speaker 1: as Bill pointed out from the game last year, he
Speaker 1: will throw one up that's a fifty fifty ball and
Speaker 1: sometimes he completes it, and that's trouble for the defense.
Speaker 1: You know, back on Odgazoa, this is now two straight
Speaker 1: years that the Cowboys in the third round have taken
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle who when you look at him, where
Speaker 1: they are right now, dig Azoa at the end of
Speaker 1: his rookie season. Neville Gallimore. Of course you had to
Speaker 1: overcome the injury, but the level of play that he's
Speaker 1: at here in his second year that they've taken a
Speaker 1: third round pick that probably should have been a higher
Speaker 1: draft pick. Yeah, you know, if there was, if there
Speaker 1: was an All second year team. Now, I understand Gallimore
Speaker 1: hasn't played enough snaps this year, played in enough games
Speaker 1: to make that team, But if you just went on
Speaker 1: football playing ability, I'd put Gallimore and Diggs on a
Speaker 1: second year All All second Yeah, and and Gallimore missed
Speaker 1: almost the entire season, right this year, but you see
Speaker 1: how good he is. And then because of some other injuries,
Speaker 1: their other third round pick, Chauncey Golston, got an opportunity. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know he's starting to play well at at
Speaker 1: defensive end. Look look at how well this team has
Speaker 1: drafted the last two years with Ceedee Lamb, Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and Neville Gallimore last year in the first three rounds
Speaker 1: and this year with Michael Parsons in the first round. Obviously,
Speaker 1: and uh and obviously the way O Digazoo has come on.
Speaker 1: Now we'll see what happens with Kelvin Joseph. It's you know,
Speaker 1: he's more of a project, but it was got an
Speaker 1: opportunity the other night. It was encouraging. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: Chauncy right and Sean Wright was the other third rounder
Speaker 1: and he's a probably and he's a project, but he's
Speaker 1: been Josh Ball in the fourth round is you know,
Speaker 1: and who by the way, is practicing, so he's he's
Speaker 1: on that. He's the other guy that's on the twenty
Speaker 1: one day our return. Okay, we're out of time already.
Speaker 1: One thing for tomorrow. We were going to do today,
Speaker 1: but since Everson wasn't here. Our little zoom interview that
Speaker 1: we did that aired on CBS eleven last night, Everson
Speaker 1: talking with Trayvon Diggs. We're gonna rear that tomorrow on
Speaker 1: the show. And we and I turned into what Everson
Speaker 1: had to say the other day on Mick Shots about
Speaker 1: Diggs in his excitement for the kid. On Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com. There's a story about what Everson had to say.
Speaker 1: In case you didn't hear it, you can read it
Speaker 1: all right. So that does it from Mick Shots for
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