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Speaker 1: Now it's time for our daily Bloomberg Law Brief, exploring

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Speaker 1: legal issues in the news. Today, Bloomberg lawhost student Grasshood

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Speaker 1: and Michael Best discussed President Trump's pardon the former Arizona

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff Joe our Pio, who was criminally convicted for

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Speaker 1: his tough crackdown on illegal immigration. They speak to Andrew Wright,

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Speaker 1: the professor at Savanna Law School, and Renato Mariotti, a

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Speaker 1: partner at Thompson Coburn. Andrew Trump has criticized federal judges

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Speaker 1: and court rulings. He tried to stop a federal investigation.

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Speaker 1: According to James Comeby's testimony, is this pardon any different,

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Speaker 1: any more shocking? Well, one sense, it's more shocking than

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Speaker 1: these other attacks because in this case, our Pile, the

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Speaker 1: specific crime that he was convicted of was his willful

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Speaker 1: disobedience from federal court orders to stop violating people's constitutional right.

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Speaker 1: So this was a direct attack in the sense, in

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Speaker 1: one sense, the president of the power to pardon our Pio,

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Speaker 1: But the reasons for it are very troubling because the

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Speaker 1: President not only didn't expect an admission of guilt from

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Speaker 1: our Pile, but he actually endorsed the conduct by saying

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Speaker 1: that he did a good job in his tweets. So

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Speaker 1: I think the message to the judiciary is loud and

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Speaker 1: clear that their ruling was not enforced, and that the

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Speaker 1: president undermines the message they were trying to send for

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Speaker 1: respect for their proceedings. We're not This was done in

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Speaker 1: a way that is unusual for presidential pardons in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have a lengthy Justice Department review first,

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, put aside at getting announced late

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Speaker 1: on a Friday night. Uh. Does the procedural difference here

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Speaker 1: from most pardons amplify that message in anyway? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think in and of itself, doing away with procedure doesn't

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Speaker 1: bother me. I mean, you could imagine that, For example,

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Speaker 1: there have often been cases where civil rights leaders were

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Speaker 1: you know, hit with court orders from racist judges. For example,

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Speaker 1: you know, if somebody had been protesting the A K

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Speaker 1: K and got a one week sentence and the President

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Speaker 1: decided to rush to get that personal pardon, I would

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Speaker 1: applaud them. I think a lot of Americans would. I

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Speaker 1: think what's what's concerning here is, as Andy pointed out, obviously,

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Speaker 1: the conduct by Sheriff Arpeo was essentially flaunting a court order,

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Speaker 1: doing so deliberately, showing no remorse whatsoever. Somethings knows that

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Speaker 1: the law and so when you're in a rush to

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Speaker 1: get that guy a pardon, it suggests that you're trying

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Speaker 1: to help your your friends, your associates, without regard for

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Speaker 1: the effect that that may have on the respect for

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Speaker 1: the law and the judicial system that is Renato Mariotti,

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Speaker 1: a partner at Thompson Colburn, and Andrew Wright, a professor

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Speaker 1: at Savannah Law School, speaking to Bloomberg Law host Doing

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