1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: On this episode of NS World, media will not show 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: the magnitude of this crowd, even I when I turned 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: on today, I love and I saw thousands of people here. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: But you don't see hundreds of thousands of people behind 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: you because they don't want to show that. We have 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people here, and I just want 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: them to be recognized by the fake news media. Our 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: country has had enough. We will not take it anymore. 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: And that's what this is all about. Were gathered together 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: very basic and simple reason, to save our democracy. We've 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: created the greatest economy in history, we rebuilt our military. 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: We get you the biggest tax cuts in history. Right, 14 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: we got you the biggest regulation cuts. We've done things 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: like nobody's ever thought possible. And that's part of the 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: reason that many people don't like us. So let's walk 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God 18 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: being here. This is in tribable, Hi, this is new 20 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: do Little Virus. I'm recording from home, so you may 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: notice a difference in audio quality. I'm going to explore 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: with my good friend Pete Hegseth. Where do we go 23 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: from here? With the seventy four million strong CRUMP supporters 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: and their concerns about the country? Pizza perfect person to 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: talk with us about. He's the co host of Fox 26 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: and Friends Weekend and may have twenty twenty. Pet's second book, 27 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: American Crusade, makes the case for a political and cultural 28 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: crusade to fight for Marcus Feedo. Pete is an army 29 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: veteran of Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamobey who holds two Bronze 30 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: stars and a combat Infantuen's Badge, whose time overseas he 31 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: still serves as an Army major. We're going to talk 32 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: about the fact that we have to move forward, that 33 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: the crusade has to continue, and nobody couldn't describe that 34 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: better than Pete Hegseth, who's the author of American Crusade, 35 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Our Fight to Stay Free. But I was coming Pete. 36 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: I thought on Fox and Friends, you were just brilliant 37 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the other day. And part of it is I think 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: it came out of how many towns you've been in 39 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: where you've had breakfast and you've saturn. I'm talking to 40 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: people before we get into the more details, can you 41 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: just talk for amn about how did that experience change you, 42 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: mister speaker. First of all, thank you so much for 43 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: having me. It's always an honor anytime someone like you 44 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: sees a segment and appreciates it. That means the world, 45 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: So thank you. You know, I think my entire perspective 46 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: is whole thing is shaped by precisely what you said. 47 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: I say this without hyperboli. I feel like I've spent 48 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: as much time as anybody, if not more than anybody 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: in the media, actually spending quality time with Trump supporters, 50 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: and thankfully with Fox and Friends that travel across the country. 51 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we do segments on camera, and we 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: do two or three of them over the course of 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: three hours, but then you spend the other three four 54 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: hours chatting on the side, talking with people, conversations, you know, 55 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: booth to booth, table to table with hundreds of people, 56 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: all of which have come out at four or five 57 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: in the morning because they're passionate about the country, and 58 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: they're passionate about their president and they have a particular 59 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: point of view. And not just that. I've gone to 60 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: rallies the country and speeches and It's given me a 61 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: deep reservoir of appreciation and understanding for who these people are. 62 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: So when I went to the mall on Wednesday, January 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: sixth for that Save America rally that the President had 64 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: before everyone went to Capitol Hill, I was there on 65 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: assignment for Fox and Friends to talk to people get 66 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: reaction to the speech, and nothing I saw was unfamiliar 67 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: to me. The only thing that was different was the size. 68 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: The size of it. And I know, you know, there's 69 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: much has been made about crowd sizes and this and that. Ultimately, 70 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest gatherings of Trump supporters 71 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and I've been to some of the 72 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: biggest rallies he's had and utterly familiar with the viewpoint 73 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: that these folks had. There's two comments that struck me 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: in the crowd. I've heard variations of them before, but 75 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: one of them was the reason I support Donald Trump 76 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: so much is because he's not in the pockets of anybody. 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: He's not bought and paid for. The only special interest 78 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: he has is me is the country, and that whole 79 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: disconnect that the media can never understand of the idea 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: that a billionaire from Manhattan who used to be a 81 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: Democrat could be the voice for all of these people 82 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: in Middle America. Is a very real thing, not false, 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: not based on conspiracy, not based on lies anything. It's 84 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: a real deal. And the other one was a gentleman 85 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: described himself as a born again American. And I had 86 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: not heard that phrase before. Maybe you have, but I 87 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: thought it summarized so well how these people feel. They 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: feel like Donald Trump has awoken them to the reality 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: of what they're facing. And they're told that they're racists 90 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: and their conspiracy theorists and all these other things. But 91 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: what they believe is they've been reawoken to first principles 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: that are under assault from the left, and whether it's 93 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: indoctrinating their kids, or the borders being open, or cancel culture, 94 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: or censoring stories and their own content, they've seen all 95 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: the double standards. So Donald Trump exposed that for them, 96 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: and ultimately they were there because they realize what the 97 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: culture is doing to patriots, to conservatives, to Trump supporters. 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: And then they've been told, dude, and I think this 99 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: is the special point of how we got to this 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: inflection point. They've been told and I've said it. I'm 101 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: sure you've said it, Everyone said it. Well, if you 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: want to change the narrative, then you got to beat 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: them at the ballot box. You've got to go to 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: the midterms, you got to go to the presidential that's 105 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: where you change the trajectory of the country. And these 106 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: are all people who have, you know, many of which 107 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: have been faithful voters, and then they feel like that's 108 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: not available to them. They feel like, if my vote 109 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: isn't fairly counted, if that's rigged against me too, what 110 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: is my recourse? What is my option? And what makes 111 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: this group so different that I saw it? This is 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: not like Antifa or other left wing events where you 113 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: see almost universally twenty somethings agitators who are sort of 114 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: haven't yet lived much of life and they're just angry 115 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: because what they were told in the classroom hasn't yet manifested. 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: These are forty fifty, sixty, seventy year olds, married kids, grandkids, 117 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: you know, Middle America, black, white, gay, straight, across the board. 118 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: Sort of this universal feeling of what unites them, and 119 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: the frustration of that day was you've taken away the 120 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: one recourse I thought I had in a culture that's 121 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: completely under siege, and you mentioned American crusade. I wrote 122 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: a book about this before COVID, before the riots, and 123 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: certainly before what happened on January sixth. But you could 124 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: see it coming because the political sphere was the only 125 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: place where patriots felt like they could still win, and 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: now they feel that's rigged against them too, and they 127 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: can't even talk about it less they be called a 128 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy there. So I wasn't surprised new by what happened, 129 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: and that's not condoning it. It was amazing new to 130 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: see the crowd immediately start walking. I've never seen anything 131 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: like it. The speech ended and it was starting to 132 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: move down the avenue. It was a powerful thing to see, 133 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and ultimately I wasn't surprised because people really are fed 134 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: up and they don't know what to do. I also 135 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: think people were a little bit shocked because they've been 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: told by everybody else over and over in all summer. 137 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: Then you know, being violent and protest is okay, and 138 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: occasional riots are just fine. I think very very few 139 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: of the Trump's supporters are implying to do anything like that. 140 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: If you look at the last six months where it 141 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: was all the violence, it was on the left, and 142 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: where was all the support for the violence? It was 143 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: left wing reporters and left wing commentatives and Democrats who 144 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: all thought it was just fine. I get a little 145 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: tired of this radical double standard. But I'm curious. It 146 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: seemed to me that the level of frustration is very 147 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: deep and it's very real. And I'm curious, from your 148 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: perspective when you actually watched it, what was your reaction 149 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: watching My reaction watching it was what did people think 150 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: was going to happen? Honestly, and that's why I really 151 00:08:53,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: didn't like the knee jerk, pearl clutching response across the spectrum. Republiclins, frankly, 152 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in many aspects, were the worst immediate condemnation. That everyone 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: involved was involved in an insurrection, and Donald Trump played 154 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: these people like fiddles, like dupes. And as a result, 155 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: they've been lied to and told that the whole election 156 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: would be overturned, and they thought a fantasy world was 157 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: going to open up. On January twentieth, I talked to 158 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: the people on the mall. I talked to them a lot. Listen. 159 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: They believe the election was stolen. They wish there were 160 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: more recourses. They've watched what happens. They've seen stories be 161 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: suppressed before, Hunter Biden, during and after unwilling to air anything. 162 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: I mean the amazing extent to which the media has 163 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: now taken to taking the official line of secretaries of 164 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: states or governors and saying, well, this has been fact 165 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: checked and debunked because the government officials are telling us 166 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: that it's not true. When's the last time that's what 167 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: the media was supposed to do. Reflect and project back 168 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: upon the populace what government officials are saying, because it 169 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: enhances their narrative. It's unbelievable. So the mindset of these 170 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: people was not overtly radical. It wasn't violent at all. 171 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: In fact, if you break down the timeline, nut much 172 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: of what was happening on Capitol Hill, the first incursions 173 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: and breaking through the barricades happened while Donald Trump was 174 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: still speaking. And I've talked to people that were there. 175 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: A lot of people who showed up and were on 176 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: the grounds and up on the steps. They didn't even 177 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: know what had happened beforehand. They were just thinking, hey, 178 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: this is the end of the march, and here we are, 179 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: and it's a celebratory environment. And there are reports, you know, 180 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: in the New York Post and elsewhere, and just from 181 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: you know common sense that Antifa folks took advantage of 182 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: this to try to get to the front and try 183 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: to agitate and create openings for themselves. They want chaos. Ultimately, 184 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: I could even spot it. You can see the helmets 185 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: where there's a you know, Donald Trump bumper sticker on 186 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: the back, quickly put on it so they could look 187 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: like they wanted to stop the steel But where they 188 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: really wanted to do was further the narrative the double 189 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: standard that I think crystallizes it the best is, of course, 190 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: Lafayette Park across from the White House when the White 191 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: House was under siege in fact nude. Ironically, I was 192 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: there as well for that with the National Guard. I 193 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: was on the other side of it carrying a riot shield. 194 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: It's not often that majors in the US Army are 195 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: carrying riot shield, but at that point it was all 196 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: hands on deck. I'm still a major in the National Guard. 197 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: We were mobilized. I was out front of the White House. 198 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: It was one of the most surreal moments I've ever felt, 199 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: with the lit up White House in the background, bottles 200 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: and rocks and things being thrown at US crowds trying 201 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: to shake the gate down, pushing people back. And I 202 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: remember the mocking that was given to Donald Trump with 203 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: just the insinuation that he may have gone to the bunker, 204 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: that he may have actually moved into safety. That was 205 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: all okay. All of that was okay. The White House 206 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: where the President lives, was under siege, and I was there. 207 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: It was it was really under siege. And Comrade Cortez, 208 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: I remember, forget what she said. She said, let this 209 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: moment radicalize you. Let this moment radicalize you. So a 210 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: government building for the people is under siege and their 211 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: leadership are being told, let this moment radicalize you. Imagine 212 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: if any member on the Trump side of the spectrum 213 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: had said similar things. I mean, listen, I got eviscerated 214 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: on many levels for the comments I made, which were 215 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: effectively explaining why these people were there and what happened, 216 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: not explaining away the fact that there were unlawful things 217 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: done on Capitol Hill. But the other side gets away 218 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: with a massive double standard. People are not dumb, newte 219 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: These people are not dumb. I mean, you hear what 220 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: Anderson Cooper said when you said, these are the olive 221 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: garden eating holiday and express people. I mean, it's just 222 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: condescending across the board. That won't hold, especially in an 223 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: information age where people can get access to information themselves. 224 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people said, hopefully this is a rock 225 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: bottom where we come up from it. I don't think 226 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: the left can learn, and I think with the suppression 227 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's Facebook and Instagram shutting them down completely, 228 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: they're going to go into hyper drive, only making the 229 00:12:47,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: problem worse. Everybody's Gianno Calledwell. You may know me as 230 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: a national political analyst, but today I'm here to tell 231 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: you about my new podcast series, out Loud with Giano Calledwell, 232 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: thus sworn enemy of PEC culture. I'll interview national guests 233 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: from all walks of life and real people, discussing issues 234 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: on culture and politics, as well as the controversies that 235 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: have social media blazing. Listen to out Loud with Giano 236 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: Caldwell every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or 237 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Once you startled that they 238 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: felt they had the power to totally shut down the 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: president United States, I wish I was startled, but no, 240 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: it's been coming. I mean, this is Orwellian textbook definition 241 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: This is what was written about. The whole idea that 242 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: it's not just the government that pushes authoritarianism, it's corporations, 243 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: it's technology or well, didn't see social media company, but 244 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: he talked about the power of technology. It's moral authoritary 245 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: he talked about in Animal Farm in nineteen eighty four, 246 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: which is the idea of a leftist group think that 247 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: you must adhere to a new moral code that if 248 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: you don't need hehere to it, we will shut you down. 249 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: What is it unpersoning, which is basically canceled culture. I mean, 250 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: it's the ministry of truth, which is what he writes about, 251 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: the rewriting of history, which is exactly what they want 252 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: to do. It started with the people's history. I mean, 253 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: none of this surprises me. It's exactly how the left thinks. 254 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: Before he even leaves office, they've decided he is persona 255 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: non grata, which is why when people write his obituary politically, 256 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't buy it. Listen, I don't know what his 257 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: future necessarily will be electorally, but he's not going anywhere, 258 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: and neither is the movement he created a lot of 259 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: people on the left, I hear it all the time. 260 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: This is a cult, and this is a cult of Trump. 261 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: It's garbage people admire and it revere Trump for what 262 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: he's done. But he merely pulled the curtain back and 263 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: exposed what existed. So they're gonna keep coming after him. 264 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: If they can shut him down, they'll shut everybody. And 265 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing it right now. It's happening. You know so 266 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: much about veterans. Did you know anything about Ashley Babbitt, 267 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: the fourteen year Air Force veteran and Trump's supporter who 268 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: was shot unkilled by the police at the Capitol I 269 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: didn't know her. I learned like you did through stories. 270 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: What I do know is that she was shot and 271 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: killed unarmed. What I do know is that our side's 272 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: not going to call the defund the Capitol police. And 273 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: you didn't see a day two on Capitol Hill. You're 274 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: not going to see a day three. You're going to 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: see people willing to support law enforcement in an extremely 276 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: difficult situation, even if it wasn't the proper protocol. All 277 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: I know is that she deployed to a racket Afghanistan, 278 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: to deployed multiple times. She was very passionate. She had 279 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: a husband out in California. They run a pool business. 280 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: He didn't travel with her. She was ultimately a patriotic 281 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: American who felt like her country was being taken from her. 282 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: He was on Capitol Hill. You know what was pointed 283 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: out to me. I think Laura Ingram said it on 284 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: her show last night. It was really interesting. Do you 285 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: know of the course of all the George Floyd riots 286 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: that took place, where police really were targeted, where buildings 287 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: really were burned down, Where companies that had no connection 288 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: whatsoever to the oppression that they were protesting about or 289 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: the police brutality they were posting, they're being burned down. 290 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: And ultimately you know that only two rioters were actually 291 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: shot and killed by police in that entire timeframe as 292 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: a result, And here we have one here. Again, the 293 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: numbers don't always tell the full story. But all I 294 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: know is that those Trump supporters, you watch those videos, 295 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: I've watched tons of them, they were not targeting police intentionally. 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: They were trying to get through barricades, which they shouldn't 297 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: have tried to get through. All those things can be said, 298 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: but ultimately they're walking side by side police, oftentimes in 299 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: some of these hallways because the police know they're not 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: after them. They're making a political statement at the Capitol, 301 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: specifically the People's House, as opposed to private places which 302 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: have no connection at all to the oppression that black 303 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: lives matter felt, yet they burned them down. There's a 304 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: huge differences here that gets over inside our media. Ashley 305 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: Babott has a right to protest like anybody else, and 306 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate she was killed. So I'm curious what 307 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: was your reaction to the sudden emergence of grimes for 308 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: a bipartisanship after this happened. Never miss an opportunity to 309 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: exploit Republican vulnerability, to immediately cave to be liked by 310 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: the ninety five percent of our media which lives to 311 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: hate Republicans and Trump supporters. Listen, it's what happens every time. 312 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: We saw it after the Billy Bush tape, we saw 313 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: it after Charlottesville, we saw it after really difficult moments 314 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: where the easiest thing to do is to give into 315 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: the immediate narrative, which is the Donald Trump is evil 316 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: and everyone is racist and the twenty fifth Amendment must 317 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: be invoked, and you know, the people who aren't properly 318 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: fortified immediately fall for it, and you see it with 319 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: the way people reacted to this, and I think it's 320 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: really really unfortunate that so many Republicans have still yet 321 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: to learn. You don't have to like everything that happened. 322 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to like every way in which Donald 323 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: Trump has handled recounts, and you know, everything that's happened 324 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: since November three. You don't have to agree with his 325 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: approach on everything to not then cave on every aspect 326 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: that all four years of his are a disaster because 327 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: of one march on Capitol Hill, which is effectively what 328 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: a lot of these Republicans who are caving are giving 329 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: to the left. You've given away all the games, and 330 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: you haven't learned how to fight at all. And you 331 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: don't have to make it about defending every aspect of 332 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Haven't you been awoken to the system that 333 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: is so rigged against us? Yet here you are immediately 334 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: caving to it. Why so that you can be liked 335 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: by the Washington Post or you can be not banned 336 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: by Twitter for the next two months until you commit 337 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: the next sin and then you're effectively canceled too. There's 338 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: just so little internalizing of this. If I may take 339 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: the prerogative mister speaker, I'm more interested in your answer 340 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: to that. I mean, what do you make of the response? Well, 341 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I think you caught a lot of it perfectly. I've 342 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: always been struck by a couple of things. One is 343 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: that partly I think because the news media is so 344 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Democrat and so hostile, and the permanent bureaucracy is 345 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: so heavily democratic, probably in the ninety seven ninety eight percent, 346 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: I would argue, for the bureaucracies I've looked at, there 347 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: are actually more left than the news media. So what 348 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: happens so a lot of the Republicans is they're surrounded 349 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: by all these sort of pleasant people who are just 350 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: left wind cuckoos, and they want to be nice to him. 351 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: They will be able to go and have a nice lunch, 352 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: and so gradually they decide that the things that left 353 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: wind cuckoos say makes sense, because, after all, otherwise you've 354 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: been fights all the time. I would say that at 355 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: any given moment, somewhere between twenty and fifty percent very 356 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: goes up and down, But somewhere between twenty and foot 357 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: to the center of the publican party is eager to 358 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: sell out, just pat him on the head. Tell them 359 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: you'll invite them during your next party, that this proves 360 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: it that they are a wise, mature statesman. You'll always 361 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: know in the current system, if somebody's being described in 362 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: wise and mature, they've almost certainly sold out to the left. 363 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: But that's been my whole career. I first got started 364 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight. I came up through Nixon losing 365 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: to Kennedy and sixty then Goldwater being annihilated carrying only 366 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: five states, and sixty four. Reagan emerging that year again 367 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: the magic of the American system. Barry Goldwater is going 368 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: down to defeat carrying only five states, but in October 369 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: of that year, he gives Reagan time to make a 370 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: nationwide television address called A Time for Choosing. Reagan comes 371 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: out of that as probably the most attractive conservative of 372 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: the country. Two years later, wins the governorship, and we're 373 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: off to the races. I also have a deep disadvantage. 374 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: You're probably more rash than I am. I think these 375 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: people are crazy. Start with, why would Humor and Pelosi? 376 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: What would possibly motivate them to talk about the twenty 377 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: fifth Amendment and impeachment on a guy who got seventy 378 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: four million votes, who has already said he's leaving in 379 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: thirteen days. I mean, that is a level of maniacal 380 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: hatred that is just deranged. Why would the Democrats in 381 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: the House. And I want to spend a lot of 382 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: my time with this because I think it is so 383 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: literally insane and such a threat to our civilization. Why 384 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: would the Democrats in the House adopt any set of 385 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: rules which abolishes father and mother, uncle, brother, sister had said? 386 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: Are twenty nine words that are standard English words are 387 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: now eliminated by the House Democrats. I mean, this is 388 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: worthy of the French Revolution, of the Russian or Chinese Revolution, 389 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: But in America it's insane. And she's going to get 390 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: a ton of her people beaten in twenty twenty two 391 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: because they voted for this stuff. And how do you 392 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: go home to a normal district and say, yeah, I 393 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: really think we shouldn't say the word mother anymore. Somebody 394 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: said to me, so what do we call mother Teresa? 395 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: At this point? But this is who these people are, 396 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: And because they are so far out of touch with reality, 397 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't think they have any sense of what they're doing. 398 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: And because the news media they're so overwhelmingly them they're 399 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: constantly reinforced in being crazy. Hi, this is Rob Smith, 400 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and I'm problematic as a black, gay Republican. I don't 401 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: fit into any meat boxes. And because of that, I'm 402 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: problematic to the political left, which wants me to stay 403 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: quiet and do what I'm told. But I'm not about 404 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: that because no one owns me. The left can't divide us. 405 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: But I did any politics. But I'm also problematic. It's 406 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: the right because being problematic is about thinking for yourself, 407 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: in being your own person. Come be problematic with me. 408 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: Listen to Rob Smith is problematic every Tuesday on the 409 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, 410 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: because you do know probably as well as anybody in America. 411 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: You know the rhythm and the heart of an amazing 412 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: number of Trump supporters when they say to you, look, 413 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: we have more votes than any president in history except Biden. 414 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: So Trump got over seventy four million votes. The whole 415 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: thing is a total mess. We don't trust the courts, 416 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: we don't trust the Congress. We know the news medias 417 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: are mortaling to me. What should they do? What do 418 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: you tell people when they look at you and say, Pete, 419 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: what should we do now, boy, that is the question 420 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: of the moment. Your entirely correct. One more comment. The 421 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: irony on Nancy Pelosi is the day she passed that. 422 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: Her Twitter feed says she's a mother and a grandmother. 423 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: They don't know what to do. That I think is 424 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: the difficulty of this moment. This is why I think 425 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: you got January sixth, when I wrote American Crusade, the 426 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: concept was every single aspect of our culture. The schoolroom, 427 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: the newsroom, tech bureaucracy, corporations, the military. It's all controlled 428 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: effectively by the politically correct, woke left, which is driving 429 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: further left. Because I know you've heard of John O'Sullivan, 430 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: O'Sullivan's first law. You know, all organizations that are not 431 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: actually right wing will over time become left wing. We're 432 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: seeing the manifestation of that, the indoctrination of that, the 433 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: inculcation of that. How can people go back to their 434 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: districts and win without father and mother. It's because increasing 435 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: generations of Americans are being raised to believe gender is 436 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: a social construct, and so a look at that go okay, 437 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: and then b they know that if they run counter 438 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: to that, they will be canceled. So even if they 439 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: don't agree with it, they'll be canceled. Now maybe they'll 440 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: go to the ballot box, the one sacred secret place 441 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: and vote differently, but even that remains unclear at this point. 442 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: So you really do have a sack deck. As I 443 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: wrote about in the book, I felt like twenty twenty 444 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: was the inflection point. If we win, we've got a chance. 445 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: If we lose, it's the beginning of I don't want 446 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: to say at the beginning of the end, but without 447 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: being pessimistic, it's an indication that we can't even win 448 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: at the ballot box anymore. And I didn't anticipate the 449 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: rigging in the extra constitutional way they would do mail 450 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: in balloting and signature check and all of the guardrails 451 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: that came off came off, and so if the ballot 452 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: box isn't there, that's what you saw. You saw regular rational, hardworking, 453 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: tax paying business owners on the grounds carrying American flags 454 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: and Trump flags, saying I don't know what else to do. 455 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: I don't know where else to go. I don't feel 456 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: like there's another politician out there that is willing to 457 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: go all the way to the man, to stare the 458 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: media to the face and call them the enemy of 459 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: the state, to try to take on the deep state 460 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: in the bureaucracy, to take on feckless leadership within your 461 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: own party, to call the left exactly what they deserve 462 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: to be called to take on sixteen nineteen, and not 463 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: be afraid to call a seventeen seventy six commission. They 464 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: don't see a politician out there in the current crop 465 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: that could channel or do what Donald Trump has done, 466 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: and then their vote for him, they believe was canceled. 467 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: So in that one microcosm, the option they felt like 468 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: they had was we're gonna send a signal. We're not 469 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: gonna go find Democrats. We're not going to go find 470 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: ANTIFA members and assault them. We're going to go to 471 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: the center of gravity of where we think the corruption 472 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: is coming from. Yes, a lot of it centered around 473 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: the vote to certify. Yes, there was a lot of 474 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: frustration with Mike Pense, much of which was I think unwarranted. 475 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: Let's go to the place where we think the power 476 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: is being used improperly. And you know, a lot of 477 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: people never thought they would get into the capital. There 478 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: were agitators who did, and then it went from there. 479 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people that were on 480 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: those capital steps and they said the amount of love 481 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: and patriotism and gratitude and appreciation for the fact that 482 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: they could share their voice, they could be heard, just 483 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: this one time they could be heard. So I think 484 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: oftentimes people want to be heard, which Donald Trump has done. 485 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: He's listened to them and actually delivered for them. And 486 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: right now there isn't a clear sense of what the 487 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: next step is. No one wants a revolution with bullets. 488 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: That's not what people are talking about. What do I 489 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: like Convention of States Article five. I like the idea 490 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: of state legislators taking the power back, which they have 491 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: the constitutional ability to do. But there's a movement afoot. 492 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: You know, you got to get thirty six states. I 493 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: think they're twenty two, twenty one. I'd love to see 494 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: that build. But I think there's ultimately going to be 495 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: a growing reaction to the democratic overreach, to the tech overreach. 496 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: They're going to overreach even more and you're going to 497 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: see I think of populous swell of Americans I still 498 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: believe unify behind the President Trump. There'll be challengers who 499 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: are going to attempt to poke holes in him, but 500 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: his armor amongst his base is really strong. So if 501 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: he had ninety percent of the Republican Party before Tuesday, 502 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: he's still got seventy five or eighty. So all the 503 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: TV outrage, all the members of Congress outrage who are 504 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: trying to throw the president under the bus, remains disconnected 505 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: from average Trump supporters who don't feel that way, who 506 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: look at what happened to the Capitol and they go, 507 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: you know what, they had a coming, you know what, 508 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: enough was enough, you know what. I was excited by that. 509 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: And again, that doesn't make the violence. Okay, no one's 510 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: justifying that, but that's the feeling, you know. Don't tell 511 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: me that you were under siege on Capitol Hill. Oh 512 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: my goodness, I had to hide in my office. My 513 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: business has been shut down for a year. I've been 514 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: told to wear a mask for a year, while you 515 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: don't wear a mask. My business was burned down. And 516 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: you're worried about a couple of rioters in the People's House, 517 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: as if that's the biggest problem I have in the country. 518 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: Spare it, save me. That's the gut react people are having, 519 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: and I think Donald Trump still has the ability to 520 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: channel that better than anyone else in our politics, what 521 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: he does next, how he ends, I think does matter. 522 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: But that's the sentiment. Listen. I hope you'll be willing 523 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: to come back from time to time. Let's keep talking 524 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: about how the movement evolves. I think the left will 525 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: make itself very vulnerable, and I think these kind of 526 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: conversations can be really useful to a lot of people. Well, 527 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: mister speaker, your voice is needed as much as anybody's 528 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: right now, You've written the book on it, You've been 529 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: stalwart on it. You understand the Left better than anyone. 530 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: To know them is to understand what they're trying to do, 531 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: and so I'm so grateful for everything you do, mister speaker. 532 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: I want to thank Pete for being with us, and 533 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: you can learn more about his books and his work 534 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: on our show page at newsworld dot com. Newsworld is 535 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: produced by Gating Which three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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