WEBVTT - Ep 184 The Gallbladder: Humor us

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<v Speaker 1>It started on a Sunday afternoon. I was sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch working on my laptop when I suddenly got

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<v Speaker 1>an upset stomach. I hid cramps the nausea, but it

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<v Speaker 1>quickly escalated. But in a few minutes, I was crouched

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<v Speaker 1>in my bathroom floor with a sharp pain just below

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<v Speaker 1>my rib cage. It felt like I was being repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>stabbed on my right side. The pain was so intense

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<v Speaker 1>that my diaphragm wasn't contracting. It felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in place. I crawled into the next room, where

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<v Speaker 1>my husband was napping, and I tried to gently call

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<v Speaker 1>to him so as not to alarm him, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was having trouble breathing, so I just managed to stammer,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel well. He startled awake and was instantly worried.

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<v Speaker 1>He said my lips were white. He was calling nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one no, I croaked, I just need water, Bring

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<v Speaker 1>me a glass of water. He hesitated, but acquiesced and

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<v Speaker 1>went to the kitchen while I lay on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reason through what was happening. My symptoms didn't

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<v Speaker 1>match appendicitis or a heart attack, and since I was

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<v Speaker 1>out of ideas, I figured it must not be anything serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Silence from the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>My husband is not a whimp, but he has been

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<v Speaker 1>to faint while having his blood drawn, and once when

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<v Speaker 1>an acquaintance went into diabetic shock, he stepped outside to

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<v Speaker 1>call nine one one, and then promptly passed out on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with a dispatcher, such that when the EMTs

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<v Speaker 1>arrived they attended to my husband crumpled on the sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 1>and not the man inside having a seizure. So the

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<v Speaker 1>silence worried me. I called to him, Yes, he said, quietly.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you passing out right now? I asked, trying not to,

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<v Speaker 1>he said meekly. I made a mental note not to

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<v Speaker 1>allow him in the delivery room if I ever went

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<v Speaker 1>into labor, and tried to remind him of the task

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<v Speaker 1>at hand. I could really use that water. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>the faucet turn on, and then a few moments later

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<v Speaker 1>he shuffled over and set a glass down next to me,

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<v Speaker 1>then plopped down on the floor with his head in

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<v Speaker 1>his hands to fight the light headlessness. I was flattered

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<v Speaker 1>on my back. I can't drink this, I told him,

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<v Speaker 1>I need a straw. He looked at me as if

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<v Speaker 1>I'd asked him to climb everest, but he stood up

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<v Speaker 1>and shuffled back into the kitchen. It was at this

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<v Speaker 1>point that I realized I need to snap out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I would need my wits about me when he

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably fainted and hit his head on the countertop and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to call nine on one for him. I

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<v Speaker 1>brought myself up to sitting against the wall, and he

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<v Speaker 1>shuffled back with a travel mug of water. I took

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<v Speaker 1>a sip, and in a few minutes I started to

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<v Speaker 1>feel better. I returned my place on the couch. That

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<v Speaker 1>was weird, I said. Now, let it be known that

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<v Speaker 1>my husband wanted me to go to the hospital anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but I told him I didn't have time to sit

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<v Speaker 1>in the r all night. And sure, that was pretty strange,

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<v Speaker 1>but I felt fine now. My husband flew the South

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<v Speaker 1>Dakota the next day and the rest of the week

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<v Speaker 1>when as usual until Saturday afternoon, when I took her

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<v Speaker 1>dog for a walk. I made it one block to

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<v Speaker 1>her forest trailhead and the stabbing pain returned. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>stay upright. I had to lay down on the forest floor.

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<v Speaker 1>It was tick season and I live in a place

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<v Speaker 1>with a very high incidence of lime disease, so this

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem prudent. You're gonna feel like an idiot if

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<v Speaker 1>you get lime disease because of a stomach ache, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and forced myself up. The walk was excruciating, but I

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<v Speaker 1>managed to stumble home without vomiting in my neighbor's yards.

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<v Speaker 1>When I got in my door, I laid down on

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<v Speaker 1>the entryway bench. There I ride and literally moaned in

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<v Speaker 1>agony for over an hour until I eventually made it

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<v Speaker 1>to the couch, where I continued to writhe and moan

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<v Speaker 1>some more. There was no position that was comfortable. After

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<v Speaker 1>several bouts of dry heaving, I started to cough of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's an ulcer, I thought, so I texted my

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<v Speaker 1>close friend who had an ulcer and told her my symptoms. No,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I've never experienced any of that. You should

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<v Speaker 1>go to the hospital. I can't drive right now, I

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<v Speaker 1>told her, I can't even sit up. Then call a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>She texted back, you know I don't have any of those,

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<v Speaker 1>I replied, I had moved to a new state recently

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<v Speaker 1>and making friends is hard. Well, then call an ambulance.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, that seems like overkill, I told her. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>the dog would lose his mind and I am in

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<v Speaker 1>no state to control him right now, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>lay there alone, hoping the pain would subside as it

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<v Speaker 1>had before, but it did not. My husband arrived home

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<v Speaker 1>around eleven PM, having had to rent a car from

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<v Speaker 1>the airport since I had texted to say I would

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<v Speaker 1>not be there to pick him up as planned. He

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<v Speaker 1>also wanted to take me to the hospital, but since

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<v Speaker 1>I still couldn't sit up, I dreaded the thirty minute

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<v Speaker 1>car ride and a long wait in the r waiting room.

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<v Speaker 1>I promised him i'd go in the morning, when I

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<v Speaker 1>planned to be feeling better. I spent the night on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch without sleep, though the pain did start to

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<v Speaker 1>lessen in the morning. He reminded me of my promise,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still wasn't feeling up to the trip. I

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<v Speaker 1>renegotiated the terms such that I would go to urgent

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<v Speaker 1>care when I was capable of sitting upright, which happened

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<v Speaker 1>around noon. At this point, I was actually feeling almost normal,

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<v Speaker 1>so I insisted on taking myself and I told the

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<v Speaker 1>check and staff my symptoms. I was told they could

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<v Speaker 1>not see me at urgent care, I'd have to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the er. I called my husband from the parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot and bated whether to wait until Monday morning to

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<v Speaker 1>see a doctor rather than going to the er, where

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<v Speaker 1>I truly waste time. But he was sufficiently worried that

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<v Speaker 1>I relented and drove over to the ar. To my surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>if you tell the check and nurse that you are

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing sharp stabbing pain just under your ribs, there is

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<v Speaker 1>basically no weight. I was called back to a little

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<v Speaker 1>curtained room almost immediately and blood and urintests were taken,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as an X ray. The doctor came to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me my results a couple hours later. My liver

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<v Speaker 1>function tests were off the charts. He suspected my gall

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<v Speaker 1>buttter had to come out. They kept me in the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital overnight. I had an MRI to confirm Coli societis

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning, and then laparoscopic surgery the next and

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<v Speaker 1>I went home that same day. After three days of recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt great, and I promised everyone in my life

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<v Speaker 1>that the next time my gall butter goes, I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>straight to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Maria, Maria, Maria, I mean disclosure. I

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<v Speaker 2>have heard this story a couple times now, and every

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm just like I am enthralled and horror spired

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<v Speaker 2>at the right parts and believed at the right parts

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<v Speaker 2>and laugh at the right parts. It's just yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great story. It's a great story. And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>you're okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Set of circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, thank you, Maria, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for thank you reliving that yet again for

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<v Speaker 3>us and everyone who's listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Hi, I'm Aaron Welsh and I'm erin on an

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<v Speaker 2>Updike and this this podcast will kill you.

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<v Speaker 3>Today we're talking about the gallbladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the gallbladder, the gallbladder, the golfbladder.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost texted you multiple times to be like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just gallbladder, right, We're not doing like a specific part.

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<v Speaker 3>It just it's gallbladder, a specific part of the gallbladder.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we're not just doing like golf gullstos or like.

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<v Speaker 2>Or like gallbladder cancer or like.

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<v Speaker 3>This didus Holy, Yeah, we're doing gallbladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, And and the reason that if you had

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<v Speaker 2>texted me that my answer would have been like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know what these things are so whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>we could do anything you want to do our podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>We've promised this for a while now we have. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really excited to finally be doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of all of the organs to start with.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this the first like organ episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it? Yeah? Yeah? Is that right? I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about doing like the heart, We've talked about

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<v Speaker 3>doing other organs.

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<v Speaker 2>I can can you think of other organs?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the uterus is the first one I think

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<v Speaker 3>of it. We've done a lot of like uterus right,

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<v Speaker 3>the discussions, but we've not just like done a whole

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<v Speaker 3>episode on the uterus.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, not yet. Well, gallbladder here we are here. We

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<v Speaker 2>are celebrate the gallbladder and also chastise it for the

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<v Speaker 2>things that it does poorly.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. I'm really really excited. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what you have in store for me, Aaron, but

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<v Speaker 3>I it's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that we'll see before we get into all

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<v Speaker 2>of that thought quarantine any time, quarantin any time. What

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<v Speaker 2>are we drinking this week?

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<v Speaker 3>We're drinking on the stones, like on the rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do gall of stone.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I thought we said Oh no, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>We did do on the Stones.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we have a lot of ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>We did well, we had two at least so and

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<v Speaker 2>in on the Stones we're actually doing a classic cocktail

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<v Speaker 2>which I've always heard of but never knew what was in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Harvey.

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<v Speaker 3>Wallbanger, not to be confused with Wait wait wait, Harvey

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<v Speaker 3>Wahlberg isn't a person, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Mark Wahlberg, right, and then there's Donnie Wahlberg and

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<v Speaker 2>I assume other Wahlberg's.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why that was the first thing I

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<v Speaker 3>thought of when you said Harvey Wallbanger, you did?

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<v Speaker 2>You were like, what's in the what's in the the

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey Wahlberg, I'm like, excuse me?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, in the Harvey Wallbanger or on the Stones

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<v Speaker 2>is orange juice vodka a like a yellow kind of

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<v Speaker 2>vanilla e liqueur called galliano or guyano Guyiano I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how you pronounce it, and a marishino cherry delish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's delish. The reason we chose this too is because

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<v Speaker 2>I when I was like thinking of the quarantine, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, well it's got to be yellow, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what bile is, and then I told you and

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, yeah, but bile's not yellow. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>what we're going with it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yellow. It can be yellow. It ranges from like

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<v Speaker 3>yellow to green or black is not a good color

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<v Speaker 3>for bile, but sometimes so it's a spectrum. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we think of it in our minds as more bright

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<v Speaker 3>yet like more on the light yellow spectrum than it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's closer usually to the darker side of the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, already learning things, already learning things.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end and now over to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to talk us through what the heck is

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<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder right after this break Aaron. You know

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<v Speaker 3>those like old timey water skins, like I think they're

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<v Speaker 3>probably made out of like animal organs, but you see

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<v Speaker 3>them in like old movies, like old westerns, like you

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<v Speaker 3>put it on a saddle bag and then you drink

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<v Speaker 3>water out of this. Yeah, okay, So your gallbladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh af to an unusual start.

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<v Speaker 3>Is kind of like a little water skin kind of okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it shaped a little bit like that, like

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<v Speaker 3>what I what I think of it as those little

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<v Speaker 3>water skins. It's like this seven to ten centimeter so

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<v Speaker 3>it's quite a bit smaller than those water skins. So

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<v Speaker 3>two and a half to four inches long.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little so little pouch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it sits just on the underside of your liver,

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<v Speaker 3>and your liver hangs out in the right upper quadrant

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<v Speaker 3>of your abdomen. It just like a butts against your diaphragm,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what separates your abdomen from your thorax or

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<v Speaker 3>your chest.

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<v Speaker 2>The liver is always so much higher than I think

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<v Speaker 2>of like for some reason, I just think of the

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<v Speaker 2>chest cavity as empty, and all my organs are somehow crowded.

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<v Speaker 3>At the very bottom, your chest cavity is empty, not

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<v Speaker 3>like your well, my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, loves you heart, and then well there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>else until like my until the bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the liveries weigh the heck up there, way up there.

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<v Speaker 3>And this little pouch sits just there's like a little

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<v Speaker 3>a little groove, a little divot that it basically sits in.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is part of what's called our biliary system,

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically a series of tubes like a I

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<v Speaker 3>think of it as like the branching plumbing system that

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<v Speaker 3>the super Mario brothers travel through. Some of these tubes

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<v Speaker 3>come from the liver they're called the hipatic ducts, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they join together with the tube from the gall bladder,

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<v Speaker 3>which is called the cystic duct, and those all joined

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<v Speaker 3>together into what's called the common bile duct. And then

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<v Speaker 3>another branch comes over from the pancreas. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why I went this way, because it's coming from your

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<v Speaker 3>left side, and these all together empty out into our duadnum,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the first part of our small intestine. So

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<v Speaker 3>you have this series of duct work that connects our liver,

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<v Speaker 3>our pancreas, and then there's this one branch that ends

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<v Speaker 3>in a blind pouch, and that blind pouch is the

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<v Speaker 3>gall bladder. To better illustrate this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, do we have props?

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<v Speaker 3>We have props today. I made a billiary tree, Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my gosh, out of some pipe cleaners and a balloon.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're just listening, imagine thank you. I tried

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<v Speaker 3>to get my kids to help, and they were like, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>But minecraft to watch exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So I made this. Imagine if you're just listening, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk you through it. Basically, we've got two

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<v Speaker 3>pipe cleaners that come together in like a y shape.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our two hepadict like left and right hepadic ducts.

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<v Speaker 3>These are what are bringing the bile which is made

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<v Speaker 3>in the liver down into the common hepatic duct. This pouch,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a balloon, a squeezy balloon, is the gall bladder.

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<v Speaker 3>It's connected to this whole system by the cystic duct here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>then we have the common bial duct. This branch coming

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<v Speaker 3>out towards the left, which is really quite skinny, connects

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<v Speaker 3>really close to the bottom of the common bial duct,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is what connects the pancreas. That's the pancreatic duct.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the blues the pancreas, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it lets out in a sphincter. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>a muscular sphincter here called the sphincter of odie, and

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<v Speaker 3>it is what allows flow out into the duadnum or testin.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, where's the liver again?

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<v Speaker 3>The liver here is up there, okay, Okay, So the

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<v Speaker 3>liver is what's covering the top part of this, and

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<v Speaker 3>then your gall bladder sits just underneath the liver just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of poking out. Got a day, okay, And so

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<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder it's essentially a storage unit or really

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<v Speaker 3>like a storage and handling unit. Okay. Our liver is

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<v Speaker 3>producing bile, and it produces something like a leader a day,

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<v Speaker 3>which is more than I realized. But it produces this

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<v Speaker 3>bile I know, right. It produces this bio at different

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<v Speaker 3>rates depending on whether we are eating or whether we're fasting, right,

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<v Speaker 3>in response to hormone signals that it gets when we're eating.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this bile is traveling ultimately to the duadnum. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>It has to get into our intestine because it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to help us digest our foods. But because there is

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<v Speaker 3>this muscular sphincter at the bottom, it's regulating the flow

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<v Speaker 3>of bile, So the bio is not just free flowing,

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<v Speaker 3>gushing all the time into our duadnum. So depending on

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<v Speaker 3>the timing pre meal, after a meal, if you're snacking

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<v Speaker 3>and the pressure of this sphincter, bio will either flow

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<v Speaker 3>outwards into the small intestine or it gets diverted into

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<v Speaker 3>the gallbladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so if you're like, we don't need to digest

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<v Speaker 2>right now, just hold on to this until for a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit, then boop the pressure Like that sphincter's closed, so

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<v Speaker 3>the pressure builds up here and then bloop, that fluid

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<v Speaker 3>gets diverted into our gallbladder. Something like ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the bile that's produced during times that we're not actively

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<v Speaker 3>eating or digesting our food ends up going into the

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<v Speaker 3>gallbladder for storage. But while it's there, it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there. Our gallbladder is doing a job, and that

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<v Speaker 3>job is concentrating this bile. You can think of it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a barrel that's aging your fine wine,

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<v Speaker 3>right yeah, some of I'm really going hard on the

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<v Speaker 3>analogies here today.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>So, if you have wine in a barrel, like some

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<v Speaker 3>of that wine soaks into the barrel, right, so the

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<v Speaker 3>wine that comes out after a certain amount of time

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<v Speaker 3>is a little bit different than what went in. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing here. So the bile that exists in

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<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder is more concentrated because there's all these crypts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like a smooth wall on the inside of

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<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder. It's got like folds and layers and

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<v Speaker 3>these cryps. So you actually even end up having like

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<v Speaker 3>layers within the gallbladder of this fluid, this bile where

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<v Speaker 3>the most concentrated stuff is deep down in the crypts,

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<v Speaker 3>this inner lining, and then there's less concentrated stuff on top.

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<v Speaker 3>So after a meal, and depending on how big that

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<v Speaker 3>meal was, how much fat was in that meal, like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of different components, how much hormones are being

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<v Speaker 3>secreted out, how well your gallbladder squeeze is to begin with,

0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.560
<v Speaker 3>our gallbladder will get to work squeezing and pushing that

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<v Speaker 3>concentrated bile out the cystic duct, which will mix with

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<v Speaker 3>stuff coming from the liver. That's free flowing still, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we'll eventually travel while mixing also with enzymes from

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<v Speaker 3>the pancreatic duct out through that sphincter into our duodenum

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<v Speaker 3>so that we can digest our fat burger.

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<v Speaker 2>Two questions give it to me? How is it concentrating?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>And number two, what is bile?

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<v Speaker 3>I knew you were gonna ask that question, So my

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<v Speaker 3>literal next part is what the heck is bile? So God,

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<v Speaker 3>when we work together, Well, the way that it's concentrating

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<v Speaker 3>is basically there's like, you know, a bunch of transporters,

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<v Speaker 3>like ion transporters and different things in the wall of

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<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder itself, like in that intestinal lumin or

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<v Speaker 3>not intestinal, but in that bile lumine. And so it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be like soaking up like basically taking back

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<v Speaker 3>some of that water and maybe other parts of what's

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<v Speaker 3>in the bile and leaving a more concentrated bile behind.

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<v Speaker 3>If that makes it. Yeah, So bile, great question. So

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<v Speaker 3>glad you asked. Is this yellowish greenish liquid that's made

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<v Speaker 3>in our liver and it's made up of a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of different things. It's a combination of bile acids, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the most kind of active part and probably one

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<v Speaker 3>of the more important parts of bile and bile acids

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<v Speaker 3>are We've talked about them in one of our pregn

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<v Speaker 3>the episodes when we talked about cholestasis of pregnancy. But

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<v Speaker 3>these are made from cholesterol. So our liver is making

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<v Speaker 3>cholesterol and then through a process of a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of enzymes converting that cholesterol into bile acids. And then

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<v Speaker 3>what it also does on top of that, there's another

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<v Speaker 3>thing called biol salts, and that's just a fancy name

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<v Speaker 3>for the liver will take these bio acids, combine them

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<v Speaker 3>with other amino acids to make them more hydrophilic so

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<v Speaker 3>that they're more soluble in water, because cholesterol is fat

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<v Speaker 3>and fats don't mix well with water. So our liver

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<v Speaker 3>makes these cholesterol products called bio acids, then makes them

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<v Speaker 3>into something that's more hydrophilic that we call a bio salt,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a big, huge component of our biole It

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<v Speaker 3>also contains bilirubin, which is a byproduct of like red

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<v Speaker 3>cell breakdown. It also has other phospholipids. There's probably just

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<v Speaker 3>some like plain processed cholesterol in there. There's water, and

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<v Speaker 3>then there's other salts and minerals. What bile does, especially

0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.720
<v Speaker 3>these bile acids or bile salts, our help in the

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<v Speaker 3>digestion of lipids or fats in our gi tract. They

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<v Speaker 3>are helping to emulsify and facilitate the absorption of our

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<v Speaker 3>fats and things like fat soluble vitamins. Okay, they also

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<v Speaker 3>are going to grab onto and help eliminate cholesterol from

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<v Speaker 3>our body by grabbing onto it and then essentially like

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<v Speaker 3>we'll poop it out, so they'll like block some absorption

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<v Speaker 3>of cholesterol. And because these are made in the liver

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<v Speaker 3>and then traveling via this biliary system maybe pit stopping

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<v Speaker 3>in the gallbladder, and then being re secreted after they're

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<v Speaker 3>in our digestive tract and they're doing their jobs, they

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<v Speaker 3>actually get reabsorbed through our intestinal wall later on in

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<v Speaker 3>our small intestine, then re enter what's called our entero

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<v Speaker 3>hepatic circulation, go back into our liver where they can

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<v Speaker 3>be reprocessed, re secreted and used again.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we recirculate bile.

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<v Speaker 3>H Yeah, most of our bile is recirculated. Our liver

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<v Speaker 3>is always making more, but we need way more bile

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.600
<v Speaker 3>than it's making in a day, if that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 3>so we recirculate it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really fascinating. And this is, like you said, a

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<v Speaker 2>leader a day at least. Yeah, that's such a huge

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<v Speaker 2>amount of Okay, yeah, when you're we talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but just again to go over it.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're barfing and you get to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>you're just barfing up like a little kind of gummy, sticky,

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<v Speaker 2>snotty liquid that's bright yellow, Yeah, is that ever bile

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<v Speaker 2>or is it just stomach acid?

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<v Speaker 3>It could or it could not be bile. Okay, really

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<v Speaker 3>billious vomiting is like considered pretty bad. So like that

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<v Speaker 3>would mean like something is pretty wrongs.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to be like from your small intestine backups through

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<v Speaker 2>exact stomach, so like that should not that's a one

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<v Speaker 2>way path.

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<v Speaker 3>It should be a one way path. And so that

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<v Speaker 3>tells us that there's something going on that's causing that

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<v Speaker 3>much of a backup, So we think of that with

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<v Speaker 3>maybe something like a small bowel obstruction or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't mean that it's impossible to barf up bile.

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<v Speaker 3>We definitely like people barf up bile, you know for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>But most of the time when you're doing that, like

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<v Speaker 3>dry heaving, and then you get out just a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably mostly just your stomach contents and like the

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<v Speaker 3>stomach acid that's left in there, that's what leaves that

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<v Speaker 3>really terrible taste in your mouth and things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I feel like I have a lot more questions,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're all related to the things that can go wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and I agree with feelings. That's what you're going to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About, that is how can things go wrong? Oh so

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned already that a big part of what your

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.439
<v Speaker 3>gallbladder is doing is concentrating this bile. Anytime that you

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<v Speaker 3>have a liquid that's not just like say pure H

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<v Speaker 3>two O water, but you have a solution that gets

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 3>more concentrated, the solutes in that solution are at risk

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<v Speaker 3>of precipitating out. And that is essentially what happens when

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 3>you get gallstones there where.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the stuff precipitates out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not like perfectly as simple as that, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's the simplest way to think about it. Because gallstones,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a few different types of gallstones, but something like

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<v Speaker 3>eighty to ninety percent of gallstones are cholesterol stones, so

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<v Speaker 3>they're basically a solid mass of cholesterol from these bile

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 3>acids that essentially crystallizes as well as calcium other proteins.

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 3>And then these things called musins, which are produced by

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<v Speaker 3>our gall bladder and can kind of act as if

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<v Speaker 3>you've ever made like rock candy. Have you ever made

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<v Speaker 3>rock candy?

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<v Speaker 2>I've eaten rock candy.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're gonna make rock candy, you make us supersaturated

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 3>solution of sugar water, and then you have to take

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<v Speaker 3>your stick or your string or whatever and roll it

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 3>in sugar crystals and dunk it in there, and those.

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Sugar crystals kind of exactly domino crystallization exact.

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, And so these musins are something produced in

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 3>the gall botty that can act as one of those

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 3>crystal formations. They kind of are like that, not a catalyst,

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 3>but they are that first thing where your cholesterol crystals

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 3>can start to precipitate out and then eventually form a gallstone.

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 3>There are other types of gallstones, So pigment stones are

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 3>mostly made up of bilirubin, and so those can happen

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.200
<v Speaker 3>if you have an over abundance of bilirubin in the bile,

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 3>which we might see in something like a hemolytic disease

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 3>or some other kinds of medical disorders, but those are

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 3>much less common. Most gallstones are cholesterol gallstones. You can

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 3>also have mixed gallstones, and.

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>That's just where the cholesterol is falling out of solution

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and kind of like.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Making little chunkies. Okay, so we're big chunkies.

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>How common are gallstones and then how common are gallstones

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 2>that cause a major problem?

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.919
<v Speaker 3>Great question. Gallstones are quite common. It's estimated that like

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 3>ten to fifteen percent of adults in the US and

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 3>in Europe where we have the best data, but I

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 3>also saw some studies out of China that were like

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 3>around twelve percent, So like ten to fifteen percent of

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 3>adults have gallstones. Eighty percent of people with gallstones totally asymptomatic,

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>never even know that they have them unless they happen

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 3>to get a right up or quadran ultrasound and we

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 3>see them huh, okay, not so bad until they go

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 3>really wrong. And there are a lot of risk factors

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.479
<v Speaker 3>for gallstone formation, and we really, in all honesty, you

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 3>just don't really understand them. Like maybe poor gallbladder motility

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 3>might have a role to play, because we see that

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 3>in conditions like pregnancy, which we talked about, where everything

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 3>slows down, things aren't contracting as much, and so then

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 3>you can get stasis. And if you have stasis, you

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 3>have increased concentration of this solution, and then you have

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 3>more precipitation. We can also see that in diabetes, because

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 3>diabetes can cause a slow down of the GI tract.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Side note, GLP one medications are friends like ozeen pic

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 3>slow down the GI tract and have been associated with

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 3>an increased risk of gallstone formation.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 3>There's also probably genetic predisposition to things like excess musin

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 3>production or just slow gut transport in general, or differences

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 3>in the way that bile salts are metabolized and reabsorbed

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 3>because you can end up with more or less hydrophobic versions.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 3>So some that might just be more likely to precipitate

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 3>to begin with, if that makes sense, they're just not

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 3>as good at dissolving in water. There's probably microbiome considerations.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Estrogen my play role. There's a lot and we don't

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 3>fully understand it. But most of the time gallstones just

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 3>hang out there in your gallbladder and don't really cause

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 3>any problems. But if they're going to cause problems. Most

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 3>of the time. The first presentation if someone is symptomatic

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 3>is what's called billiary colic, and that is this kind

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.400
<v Speaker 3>of I mean good example that Maria gave us an

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 3>herb perstent account. Unfortunately, it's this post pran deal. So

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 3>after eating, about an hour or so after eating, this

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 3>episode of really severe usually right upper quadrant, because that's

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 3>where your liver and gallbwater are. Pain that can be

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 3>very severe, very intense, lasts for maybe an hour, maybe

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 3>a few hours, and then eventually resolves on its own.

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 3>That is the classic description of biliary colic. We think

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 3>that usually this biliary colic is caused by a stone

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 3>or what's sometimes called sludge, because sometimes you don't get

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>like a full on stone formation, but you just get

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 3>sludginess where it's like really thick, concentrated stuff that gets

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 3>lodged some where in this biliary system, right, whether it's

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 3>in the cystic duct or somewhere else in this biliary system,

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 3>and then it causes irritation and inflammation and pain because

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 3>it's activating our like visceral sensory nerves. More than ninety

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 3>percent of people who have one attack will have a

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 3>recurrent attack of biliary colic within ten years. A lot

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 3>of them will have a repeat episode within two years. Okay,

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 3>but these type of attacks, this kind of biliary colic

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 3>is usually considered self limiting, right, it's not necessarily causing

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 3>an emergency, it doesn't need intervention necessarily. But these gallstone

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 3>blockages can also cause a number of more severe complications,

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 3>which all have various idis names because they're associated with

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of inflammation. We can get acute colycystitis, we

0:29:52.760 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 3>can get bacterial cholanngitis, we can get pancreatitis. Gallstone are

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 3>also a very well known risk factor for gallbladder cancer

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 3>down the line. So I want to kind of talk

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.479
<v Speaker 3>through how each of these processes happen, because they're kind

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 3>of all actually the exact same process. It all just

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 3>depends on where in this biliary system a stone is

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 3>getting lodged. Basically anytime that you have a tube in

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 3>your body, but especially when you have a blind tube

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>right like this pocket where there's no exit on it.

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>When that tube gets blocked, you're going to increase pressure

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 3>behind that blockage. So in your gallbladder especially, this increase

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 3>in pressure is going to cause swelling, which especially along

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 3>with this supersaturated bile that's already present in your gall bladder,

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>will cause further inflammation. And inflammation in our body comes

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>with edema or swelling, which will further increase this pressure.

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 3>So acute coly sostitis is when you have a gallstone

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 3>that has blocked the cystic duct and then causes this

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 3>increase in pressure and inflammation and swelling in the gall

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 3>bladder itself. Eventually, this can lead to the wall of

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 3>the gall bladder not being able to get enough blood supply.

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 3>So then parts of the tissue because of just there's

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 3>so much like edema and swelling, so then the blood

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>can't flow there well, and so then the tissue will

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 3>start to die, so we can see necrosis, and with

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>necrosis you can see hemorrhage right because you're going to

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 3>have bleeding from where this tissue is dying. That can

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 3>eventually lead to perforation of the wall and the gall bladder,

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 3>which would cause it to spill out its contents into

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>the peritoneal cavity. And that's super concentrated bile acids that

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 3>they're supposed to digest stuff, So that can be really severe. Okay,

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 3>but even if it doesn't perforate, as you continue to

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 3>have all of this edema and sell death and necrosis,

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 3>you eventually can get a purulent phase where you get

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of white blood cells. Inflammation, bacteria can get

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 3>into this system, whether they're coming from the GI tract,

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>whether they're kind of they're already but not causing problems

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.719
<v Speaker 3>until they proliferate. They make their way in there one

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 3>way or another and then cause a bacterial infection on

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 3>top of this. So that can happen in any part.

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 3>If it happens near the pancreatic duct and blocks here,

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>you can get inflammation in the pancreas, and that's called

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 3>a cube pancreatitis. Fifty percent of cases of that are

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 3>caused by gallstones. Okay, you can get a stone that

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 3>lodges somewhere in the common bile duct itself right so

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 3>below the gallbladder, but before the pancreatic duct, and that

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 3>can cause what's called coolanditis. It's usually bacterial colanditis, and

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 3>that's really severe because this is a relatively small tube,

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 3>so a small increase in pressure you could potentially have

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 3>a perforation that could be a lot more severe. So

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>we see people really really sick when that happens.

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>And so, but like, no matter where the stone or

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>the obstruction is happening, the gallbladder will continue to be

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>backed up and swell. Or is it only when that

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 2>stone is at the opening of the gall bladder.

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it kind of just depends. So you can definitely

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 3>get pancreatitis without having any gallbladder swelling, like without having

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 3>colicicitis on top of it. Colicystitis. Acute colicstitis is specifically

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 3>when it's blocked at the neck of the gall bladder somewhere,

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 3>so it's the gall bladder that is most affected.

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Like the hotel California of gallbladder issues, you can check,

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you can go in, but you can never come out.

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>It's like the worst It's all I can think of

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 2>is like you can you can Yeah, you can't leave.

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can't leave exactly, nothing can leave. Yeah. The

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 3>same is true though, like if you get if you

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 3>get a stone blocking somewhere else, it just depends on

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.479
<v Speaker 3>how long it's there, how severe it gets, whether it's

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>ever able to pass. You could certainly get inflammation, like

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 3>you can end up with an infection in the gall

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 3>bladder or inflammation in the gall bladder when you also

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 3>have colandritis in other places, in other places, and at

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 3>the heart of it, the problem ultimately is the gallbladder

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 3>itself in any case, right yep. And so for a

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 3>lot of these cases, though I will say not all

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 3>of them, Like especially not when we're talking about pancreatitis.

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 3>The treatment for that is potentially different. But especially when

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about acute colis istitis, when it's this inflammation

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 3>of the gallbladder itself, treatment is usually take out that

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 3>gall bladder, cut it the heck out, cola systectomy.

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>So what are the consequences of this? What is the

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>deciding factor? So obviously if like if it's severe enough, yeah,

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>what do we ever just remove the gall stone?

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 3>You absolutely can. Yeah, there's a number of procedures that

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 3>you can do to just remove the gall stone. There's

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 3>also medication that you can use. We use it definitely,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>like in pregnancy when it's the colistasis of pregnancy, which

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 3>is different, that's like it's a different process. See our

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 3>pregnancy episode we talked about it. But so there is

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 3>a medicine that we can use that helps to kind

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 3>of break up these gallstones. Themselves, but it's not necessarily

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 3>like all that effective long term and prevention of complications.

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 3>But that is one option. We used to do a

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>lot more of like what we do for kidney stones,

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 3>which is like go in and like ultra sound wave

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 3>them somehow and break them up. That's not really done anymore.

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 3>So another option if someone is really really sick with

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 3>acute coalisistitis, so this infection inflammation in the gall bladder

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 3>and they cannot have a surgery, because ultimately surgery to

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 3>remove that gall bladder is the treatment, especially for acute

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>cola sisiitis. Okay, if someone cannot have that surgery because

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 3>they are too sick or they cannot have that surgery,

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>then sometimes we'll put a drain in it, so that

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 3>would come from the outside, and that's called a percutaneous

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 3>collisystostomy tube, and so that's just going to drain all

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>of the infected fluid, all of the pus, everything, all

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>of the bial But it's sort of just a temporizing measure.

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Eventually you're going to have to do something more permanent.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean, it really does depend though on

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 3>what the presentation is. So if somebody just has that

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 3>biliary colic that we talked about. They may or may

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.959
<v Speaker 3>not decide to get their gallbladder removed. If they do,

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 3>a surgeon is probably going to want it to be

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 3>at a time when there's not any issues going on,

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 3>because then everything is calm and cool, and it's easier

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 3>to remove because you don't have irritation and inflammation.

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a question about diagnosis though, So, like you said,

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>this is a These attacks are fairly characteristic. It's like

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>right upper quadrant debilitating pain. Like I've heard some people

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that I know I've had it describe it as like

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 2>they're like, yes, I've had children, and this is worse

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>than unmedicated child birth. Yeah, which is wild to think about.

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 2>And and but it like you said, it's it's self limiting.

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>It's it does go away eventually unless there's doesn't more

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 2>severe unless it doesn't. And so if that goes away,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>and then you go to your doctor a week or

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>two later and let's say there's no gallstone, yeah they

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.399
<v Speaker 2>can find, so then what what do you do.

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a great question. It kind of depends, Okay,

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>it depends on if it comes back most of the time,

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Like most of the time you see something whether that's sludge, right,

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 3>so you might not see a stone. If you had

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 3>a small stone and it passed, you know, during that episode,

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 3>then we might only see sludge. But even just sledge

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 3>itself can cause billiary colic, right if that sludge get

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 3>pressed up against and then ends up causing irritation. But yeah,

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it all just is going to depen and

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 3>on that specific presentation on how often it's happening. There

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 3>are other things, of course that can mimic this, so

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't have an easy answer for that.

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 2>All right, So but what if you get your gallbladder out?

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Obviously this happens a lot. Yeah, yeah, what happens.

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 3>It depends some people they don't even miss it and

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 3>they have no issues whatsoever, and then they live their

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 3>life without gallstones, and isn't that great news. But a

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 3>lot of people can have post colo systectomy complications and

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 3>that can really really range estimates. I saw most of

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:40.919
<v Speaker 3>them were around forty percent on the high end. Some

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.240
<v Speaker 3>were a lot lower, and I'm not sure that I

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 3>believe that just based on all of the other papers

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 3>that said anywhere from like five to forty percent. So

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 3>I think there's a pretty huge range of looking at

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 3>different studies, but the symptoms can also range, and I'm

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 3>not talking about like acutely. There are of course complications

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 3>from surgery that can happen, right have injury to the

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 3>bile duct, you could have leakage things like that. But

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 3>outside of that, like just postop period, some people can

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 3>have acid reflux that they can get after a procedure

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 3>like this. We don't fully understand. Some people get persistent

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 3>right upper quadrant pain, so like they still end up

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 3>having pain in that area where they were having pain

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 3>from their gallbladder. Some people very commonly end up with diarrhea,

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 3>and that has a lot to do probably though we

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 3>don't fully understand it. With the changes in how you

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 3>now are getting bile acids into your GI tract, right

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 3>you're no longer having these concentrated bile acids, but you

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 3>are having more of a constant free flow of less

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 3>concentrated bile acids into your GI tract. And it's thought

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 3>that this likely changes the gut microbiome, which will then

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 3>shift how these bile acids are like conjugated or unconjugated,

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 3>or what they're conjugated with when they go through processing

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 3>and all of that kind of stuff. So there's a

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of potential changes that happen after a close etectomy,

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 3>and yet you can function and your GI tract can

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 3>function just fine without your gallbladder.

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 2>You just kind of snip it, snip snip.

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's the end. Oh okay, Aaron, Oh wow, tell

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 3>me about this, would you.

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll see, we'll see what what I come up with. Okay,

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>have you ever heard someone described as like having the

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>goll to do something? Yeah? Like what goal he has

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 2>to suggest that?

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Don't tell me that that has to do with GOLs.

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Tones, of course it does.

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I thought it was the gallbladder.

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I know, but I this is so embarrassing, I'm not

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 3>going to say it out loud. I thought it was

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>like the glants are like, no, like the birds. Oh goal, Yeah,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 3>I thought I had something. I mean, I knew it

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 3>was gall but I don't know why I just assumed

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 3>that it had something to do with birds.

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would say, goals do have a lot

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:24.879
<v Speaker 2>of goll.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 4>I would agree, because it's like usually it's like you

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:33.399
<v Speaker 4>know someone who's bold hands exactly the goal, the gall

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 4>on that goal, the audacity based on what it is.

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it. It's it's such a great word.

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>It's like a little pearl clutching word. I don't think

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>we use it enough. I let's use it for the

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 2>goal and it comes Yeah, it comes from the gallbladder.

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Like why what does the.

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Gallbladder have to do with personality or temperament or daring?

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 2>So today we may not think that often of our gallbladder,

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.359
<v Speaker 2>except for the subset of us who have been at

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 2>the mercy of our organ because of gallstones or coally

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>systectomy or some other reason. Like how many of you

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 2>out there listening knew what the gallbladder did or could

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 2>locate it on a diagram before this episode? I could

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 2>not at all. Yeah, I mean you could do it.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. We don't think about it very often. We don't.

0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 2>We don't. But this sort of backseat, overlooked role that

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the gallbladder now plays is actually a relatively recent one.

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 2>For centuries, the gallbladder, or maybe more precisely, the substance

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>that it stores, was a star. It was famous among

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the organs, or among the substances produced by organs, crucial

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>for how it affected not only your health and well being,

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 2>but also your outlook on life? What and that is

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the story that I want to tell today. Okay, I've

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>touched on it in other episodes of the podcast, but

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.879
<v Speaker 2>it's not one that I've ever really told or thought

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>about in full. And so what better time to discuss

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the humoral theory of disease? Yes? Eight years into this? Yeah,

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 2>so you might be thinking, Okay, well, what do we

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>care about an outdated and disproven model for understanding human

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>health and disease? Fair enough, I care, I mean yeah,

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 2>but I asked myself, why is this really the right

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 2>thing to do? It doesn't give us a ton of

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 2>accurate info about our bodies inner workings, but it does

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>give us insight into how the world was perceived in

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>past centuries and how that perception actually lingers today in

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 2>a surprising way, long after the humoral theory of disease

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>was supposedly discarded in favor of germ theory and other

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>concepts of modern medicine. Okay, but before we get too

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 2>deep into the humors, I figured I should at least

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>share some fun gallbladder facts that get collected.

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Give it.

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The largest gallstone removed laparoscopically was twelve point eight centimeters

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>long and seven centimeters wide, So that's five point one

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 2>inches two point eight five point one by two point

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>eight inches.

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's hefty.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It's hefty. It's like a smallish avocado, is what I

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 2>would say, like a quite small avocado.

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Just stitting in your gut.

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.720
<v Speaker 2>That was a laparoscopic removal for Yeah, the largest removed

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>in a traditional surgery, at least like documented in recent times,

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was sixteen point eight centimeters long and seven point eight

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 2>centimeters wide, so it's like six point six and a

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 2>half by three inches. It's like it's large avocado, good

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>sized avocado. Avocado. And also they kind of art were avocado.

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Shaped because the gall bladder is a little alike.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>It's avocado.

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pair shaped, avocado shaped.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>That one weighed to one and seventy eight grams or

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 2>zero point six pounds. Wow, it's a large avocado lot.

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I've got citations for those, But this next one comes

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 2>from a more questionable source. So I googled like largest

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>gallstone and then found the ones that are like in

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, medical journals. But then the Guinness Book of

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 2>World Records of course has an entry stop it quote

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the largest gallstone reported in medical literature was one of

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>six point two nine kilograms or thirteen pounds fourteen ounces

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>removed from an eighty year old woman by doctor Humphrey

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Arthur at charing Cross Hospital, London. Okay, yeah, okay, no

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 2>citation provided for this, so I hunted it down. I

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>read the original paper titled a Large Abdominal Calculus by

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Humphrey Arthur. Couldn't find anything in that paper that was like,

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>this is a gallstone. I made you read.

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 3>It, huh?

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, do you see anywhere that they

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 2>tie this to a gallstone they identify as a gallstone.

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't sound like a gallstone either, doesn't sound

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 3>like a bladderstone.

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Yep. In the paper it's not a gallstone. So someone

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>has got to notify Guinness to say, you know, sorry,

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that ain't a gallstone.

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Listen, Guinness, wrong, are you hearing this? Can someone at

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 3>them right now, right now, right this minute? You have

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:22.800
<v Speaker 3>your largest gallstone? Wrong?

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Wrong? I mean the largest one I could find

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>in the literature was point six pounds. That's not thirteen.

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Pounds fast difference, fast pounds. Yeah.

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:33.839
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I.

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 3>Will say, don't you remember at the Sturgical Science museum

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 3>in Chicago. They had some hefty gallstones.

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 2>There had so many gallstones. Yeah, it's highly recommended, such

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>a great museum. Yeah, let's go back. Okay, Okay, gallstones

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.320
<v Speaker 2>have been found in ancient Egyptian mummies.

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>There is a bronze model of a sheep liver and

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>gallbladder from the second century BCE that was found in

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a field in Italy, and the first gallstone removals began

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.720
<v Speaker 2>in the late nineteenth century, led by German surgeon Carl

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Langenbuk who reasoned that some mammals don't have a gallbladder,

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>so that probably means that humans can survive with that

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>one that but like they were like, eh, that's probably fine.

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 3>That's probably fine.

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Previously, surgeons would treat gallstones or like any gallbladder complaint

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 2>primarily by like creating kind of an opening like you described,

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>like a fish Jula's what they described, to excess and remove.

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Stones, remove stones.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, what else we can add acute coalesistitis to

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the list of things that allegedly killed Alexander the Great. Oh,

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 2>I think we've covered like poisons on this before, or

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>some infection, whether it was typhus or typhoid. Who knows.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can have poisons, so you can get

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:01.879
<v Speaker 3>colosistitis from not gallstones, like ten percent of cases are

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.439
<v Speaker 3>called a calculus. So maybe in fact it was both

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 3>a poison and a cute could be?

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Could be. The famous American surgeon William Stewart Halsted performed

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 2>surgery on his mom to remove gallstones in eighteen eighty one,

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>prolonged her life by a couple of years, And in

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 2>September nineteen sixty five, President Lyndon B. Johnson had his

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:33.120
<v Speaker 2>gallbladder removed. Okay, you know, laparoscopy helped cut down complications

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.479
<v Speaker 2>and speed up healing time, and the first laparoscopic coali

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.399
<v Speaker 2>systectomy was performed in nineteen eighty five. And now we've

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>got robotic assisted coally systectomies. Yeah, pretty pretty cool. Revolutionary

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 2>healing time is yeah, it's it's neat. It's neat stuff.

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 2>That's the end of my gallbladder facts.

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Love it.

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Let me know if you out there have more for me.

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>That's really all that I could find for this. Go

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:00.120
<v Speaker 2>onto humoral theory.

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 2>In the fifth century BCE, our old friend friend of

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the pod Hyppocrates, along with his buds put together the

0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 2>revolutionary medical texts that would come to rule Western medicine

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 2>over the next two thousand years. In it, they described

0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a person's health, their psychology, character, behavior, preferences, and appearance,

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>and how all of this could be traced back to

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 2>the balance or imbalance of four substances in the body.

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 2>The humors. Quoting from Galen, who was a few centuries later,

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 2>quote to begin at the beginning, The elements from which

0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 2>the world is made are air, fire, water, and earth.

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>The seasons from which the year is composed are spring, summer, winter,

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and autumn. The humors from which animals and humans are

0:49:53.480 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 2>composed are yellow bile, blood, phlem, and black bile. End quote.

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 3>I love it, He's like listen, it's four four four, okay.

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Four four four. There's a symmetry that is beautiful, undeniable, undeniable.

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>The humors were related to the elements of the world,

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:20.240
<v Speaker 2>like air and blood, water and phlegm, fire and yellow bile,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.240
<v Speaker 2>earth and black bile interesting, and also to temperature and moisture.

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 2>So blood was hot and moist, phlegm was cold and moist.

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yellow bial was hot and dry and melancholy or black bile.

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Was cold and dry, okay, interesting, too.

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.919
<v Speaker 2>Much of one humor could be deadly. Your death could

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 2>be caused by excess phlegm, like that would be on

0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 2>your death certificate. Let's say you maybe ate too much

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:48.919
<v Speaker 2>of something or drank too much of something that gave

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>you that excess phlem. That was what led to it,

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and treatments were advised based on the precise imbalance. If

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 2>it was an excess of blood, bleeding was your best

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 2>course of action. If it was yellow or black bile

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that you had too much of, you should probably take

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>some laxatives or emetics, something to make you throw up.

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 2>And if it was phlegm that was bothering you, like

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it clearly is bothering me. Nothing better, Nothing is better

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 2>than something that caused you to sweat or expectorate.

0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Quick question. Sure is phlem back then the same thing

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 3>as phlem today?

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I think so, But it's kind of this is where

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>it gets a little bit weird, because what the heck

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 2>is black bile?

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what that was gonna be my next question.

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's we'll get a little bit more. No, we'll

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>get a little bit more into it. But like I

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 2>think that we have to suspend our our perception of

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 2>we have to see what these substances are and where

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 2>they're coming from, because a lot of it was not

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 2>in how they're coming out of your body, but just.

0:51:55.880 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 3>This like idea of how they exist in your body. Yeah, okay,

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I always thought of flem as like lymph,

0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 3>and I know that they didn't really know that that

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 3>was the thing, but like in my brain act like

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 3>that's what it is.

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, and maybe it is. You know, sometimes these

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>did come out like you could see maybe flem is

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, snot or whatever. Blood obviously is more visible,

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 2>but like there's blood. Wasn't necessarily blood if that makes sense.

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it doesn't, but I'm going to go

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 3>with it.

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, like, well there was like the blood that

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 2>you bleed, and then there was the blood that was

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>like a part of your core that beat was different, Yeah,

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 2>which really I mean we got to just try to

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 2>think in their in their minds. Yeah. And so what

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you what you wanted to do with treatment was basically

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 2>treat with opposites, so like allopathy as opposed to homeopathy,

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 2>which is like like with like and so guided by

0:52:56.200 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 2>these general principles, people suffering from whatever ailment didn't necessarily

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>have to seek the help of a physician only in

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 2>extreme cases, but they could concoct their own remedy or

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 2>buy a home remedy. Poultices, aenem syrups, potions, powders, pills, ointments, antidotes, fomentations, inhalations, infusions.

0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Lots of options, less possibilities yep.

0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>And the quality of the treatment was determined not by

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 2>its efficacy necessarily, but generally how rare or expensive the

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>ingredients were or how complicated it was to put together.

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>But even for the healthy person, there were general guidelines

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>for how to live your life under the humoral theory

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>of disease. Eat less in the summer and more in

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the winter. Beer nourishes provokes urine has a laxative effect,

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 2>causes gas truth vinegar induces melancholy. I'm not sure about

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that one.

0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 3>For me.

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Ye, blood letting is best in springtime and only for

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:07.279
<v Speaker 2>those older than seventeen. Baths are not recommended during the

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 2>summer months, which is also a time to eat cold

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.760
<v Speaker 2>food and avoid lovemaking, Oh dear, which might be related

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>to the baths. Okay, sideline, I'm not sure, but alongside

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>temporary imbalances. Rocking the boat people tended to have a

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 2>certain humoral imbalance, which determine their personality. Those with more

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 2>yellow bile or collar colar were choleric, achievement oriented, driven, bold, decisive, independent, argumentative.

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>These this yellow bile was associated with or people of

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>this temperament was associated with summer and adolescence or youth.

0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 2>If you had an excess of black bile, you were

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of the melancholic personality, sensitive, indirect, detail oriented, loyal, associated

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>with maturity and audit, and a tendency to delirium or depression.

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>A phlegmatic person or phlegmatic person had more. You guessed

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:13.799
<v Speaker 2>at phlem and they tended to be calm, steady, introverted, agreeable, indirect,

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>slow to action, associated with winter and old age.

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And then finally, more blood led to a sanguine personality, optimistic, social, serene,

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 2>fun loving, extroverted, active, associated with springtime and childhood. And

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>there's like diagrams that you can see that have like

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 2>these different colors. So like red is sanguine, obviously, black

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 2>biles black. I'm pretty sure yellow bile is yellow, and

0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 2>then phlegm, I think is orange or not orange blue. Interesting, Yeah,

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>and it has like it's like an idiogram. Yeah, I

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:52.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know if there are like wings and whatever. And

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like thinking in my head, like, oh yeah

0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that you know, yellow bile, the choleric personality really sounds

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 2>kind of like an eight or a three, And then

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.839
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, but then I was like, I can't these

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 2>are not one to one.

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, obviously obviously, but yeah.

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 2>So the humoral theory of disease provided a framework to

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 2>understand not only a person's health or disease, but also

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>their emotions and personality, linking the two. And it drew

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>connections between the environment, diet, and just inborn temperament to

0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>not only explain a disease, but also to provide a

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>prognosis how the disease was expected to play out, guided

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 2>by adjustments to humoral balance. And more than this, the

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 2>humoral theory of disease represents a revolution in how people

0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 2>understood the world to work. Rather than divine intervention or superstition,

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a physical basis for every phenomenon of the

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 2>human body and a corresponding explanation. All you had to

0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:59.240
<v Speaker 2>do was closely observe your patient, maybe take a case history,

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>which led you to a diagnosis than prognosis than treatment.

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.920
<v Speaker 2>This approach to medicine was really the first to resemble

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the scientific one that we use today to some extent.

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Interesting because instead of there being one answer to every

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 2>question of why, which would be because God decrete it,

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:28.240
<v Speaker 2>there could be a multitude of answers. This framework of

0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 2>humoral theory had its own logic, even if that logic

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 2>is not based on our current understanding of anatomy and physiology,

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and it allowed physicians to, you know, do all of

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 2>these things in order to care for their patient. And

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the humoral theory of disease persisted for centuries despite the

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, the lack in our eyes were like you

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>kidding me, what even is black bios like, what is that?

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 2>What is it? Based? Not based on fact or on

0:57:58.240 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 2>what we know? It's still persisted because it gave meaning

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to the world. It answered these unanswerable questions, and I

0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 2>think it provided some form of certainty, and we know

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 2>how much people hate uncertainty. Yeah, and so in this way,

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the humoral theory of disease was deterministic, like everything including

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 2>behavior and mood, could be explained as it related to humors. Oh, well,

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 2>of course you have this, you know, like and I

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 2>imagine that would be both satisfying and also like very irritating, right, Like, no,

0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not upset because I ate hot soup and my

0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 2>bile is up. I'm upset because you borrowed my toga

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and you stained it. But you have a sanguine temperament,

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 2>so of course you wouldn't understand. But at the same time,

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 2>people couldn't use their humoral imbalance as an excuse for

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:59.440
<v Speaker 2>bad behavior, like if an imbalance represented a diseased, unnatural

0:58:59.480 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 2>state of being, they should try to act against it,

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to use their rational mind to make decisions and take action, like.

0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to overcome this kind.

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Of yeah, yeah yeah, and to not overcome it, to

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 2>be beholden to your inborn temperament was kind of like

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 2>viewed as a weakness like you know better, Yeah, fascinating, okay.

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 2>And so the order and explanatory power that the humoral

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.560
<v Speaker 2>system provided is really what helped it survive for so

0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 2>many centuries because it could be folded into any religion

0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like this is how whatever deity you believed in created humanity.

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 2>It could explain any illness or any state of mind,

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was adaptable. Like if you needed to add

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more color to your diagnosis, you could

0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 2>just say, well, you know, it wasn't just an excess

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.200
<v Speaker 2>of blood, but it was the type of blood, how

0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:55.560
<v Speaker 2>viscous it was, where it came from, which organ or

0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 2>like part of the body was it concentrated in.

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Could get really really neat gritty with you could your

1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 3>various humors yep.

1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So like smallpox, for instance, was believed by one ancient

1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:12.000
<v Speaker 2>physician to be the result of retained menstrual blood by

1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the fetus. So like you got smallpox as a fifteen

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 2>year old because as a fetus there was retained menstrual

1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:21.520
<v Speaker 2>blood in your mom's womb.

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh like not okay, yeah, oh okay, like okay exactly.

1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:31.640
<v Speaker 2>So like there's there's no limit to the mental gymnastics

1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:32.160
<v Speaker 2>that you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah wow, okay, just come up with an idea and

1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:39.240
<v Speaker 3>then you could say you could you could humor it.

1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:40.880
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Infectious inheritable diseases also fit nicely into this, since miasma

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:51.440
<v Speaker 2>explained how could it could be transmitted from person to person,

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like humors and humoral temperament could be transferred from parent

1:00:56.640 --> 1:00:57.240
<v Speaker 2>to offspring.

1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 3>MM naturally.

1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Were also less about curing someone than they were about

1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 2>guiding someone through their natural course of disease and doing

1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.520
<v Speaker 2>their best to get the best outcome, and with things

1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:15.000
<v Speaker 2>like diet and then later on herbal remedies. So this

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.040
<v Speaker 2>left more wiggle room for physicians who weren't expected to

1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:20.480
<v Speaker 2>cure their patients. So it wasn't like you don't know

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.600
<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about because this person's not getting better.

1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.280
<v Speaker 2>It was just like, this is the destiny, and I'm

1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:30.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to do my best to fix things, but I'm

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I can only do so much.

1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:32.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm limited.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm limited. Yeah, And the basic principles of humoral theory

1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:40.640
<v Speaker 2>were also fairly easy to grasp, Like if you could

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.800
<v Speaker 2>remember each of the humors and what season or moisture

1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:47.160
<v Speaker 2>they were associated with, and then various foods and their

1:01:47.680 --> 1:01:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, moisture or heat levels, yeah, you could make

1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a good guess as to what your disease was and

1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:56.600
<v Speaker 2>how to manage it, even if you had no formal

1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:57.640
<v Speaker 2>training or education.

1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that let humoral theory rain was that

1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:07.040
<v Speaker 2>autopsies were not permitted for a good chunk of this time.

1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:11.600
<v Speaker 2>That excess of black bile was based on external observations

1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of just like someone's symptoms, and as we'll later see,

1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:21.520
<v Speaker 2>fact checking would undermine the credibility of humoralism.

1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Once they tried to find out what the heck is

1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:29.840
<v Speaker 3>black bile, then they were like, there is no such thing. Okay.

1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:34.280
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't to say that humoral theory remained unchanged

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.160
<v Speaker 2>until the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. You know, there were

1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:42.600
<v Speaker 2>scholars like the famous Persian physician Avicenna who added his

1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:46.880
<v Speaker 2>flare to it, and overall interpretations became more complex, as

1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.680
<v Speaker 2>did the mental gymnastics that were required to come up

1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:54.320
<v Speaker 2>with these explanations. So, for instance, a combination of heat

1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and the liver weakness of the spleen, external cold and

1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a long disease history could lead to a heightened amount

1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:01.560
<v Speaker 2>of black bile in the organism.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how do they know what is a liver and

1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:10.040
<v Speaker 3>what is a spleen if they're not yeah, and animals okay,

1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:13.920
<v Speaker 3>animals okay, And then they they really do okay.

1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they would do autopsy or not autopsies, dissections on

1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:21.080
<v Speaker 2>animals and then like make assumptions like that must be

1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:22.680
<v Speaker 2>what the human coralate is.

1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so do we even know if yellow bile is

1:03:27.800 --> 1:03:29.080
<v Speaker 3>what we call bile today?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was because I believe that Hippocrates thought

1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:37.720
<v Speaker 2>it was produced by the liver or not not the liver,

1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:40.320
<v Speaker 2>but a he thought it was produced actually by the

1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:42.920
<v Speaker 2>gallbladder by we're going to attach to the liver, got it.

1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.960
<v Speaker 2>So I do think that it was related to the bile.

1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:49.000
<v Speaker 3>That we we have at least those coralates, and phlem

1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.240
<v Speaker 3>might be really phlem and then black bio is the

1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:52.760
<v Speaker 3>real question mark here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had a little bit about black bile, but

1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.320
<v Speaker 2>now I have forgotten what it was. It was just

1:03:57.360 --> 1:04:00.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of like, we don't really know it a certain

1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:03.040
<v Speaker 2>type of blood, is it? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting so interesting arin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And humoral theory, it's not like it remained super

1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:13.520
<v Speaker 2>popular during this entire time, so it fell out of

1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:17.040
<v Speaker 2>favor occasionally, like in the Middle Ages when Christianity was

1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:20.640
<v Speaker 2>on the rise and treatment was thought to like corrupt

1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the soul and go against like God's wishes, or when

1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:29.200
<v Speaker 2>an epidemic exhausted the explanatory power of humoral theory, like

1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.680
<v Speaker 2>when the Black Death struck Western Eurasia in the mid

1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:35.040
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth century. You can't explain away a third to a

1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:38.440
<v Speaker 2>half of the population dying because they all took a

1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:39.600
<v Speaker 2>bath in the summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's that's just can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So that was a crack in the certainty

1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that humoralism had provided, and that crack just widened over

1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the next centuries as people tried out alternative frameworks to

1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:59.520
<v Speaker 2>understand the world, you know, magic, religion, alchemy, homeopathy, anatomy.

1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>By the seventeenth century, humoralism was under threat, with the

1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>taboo against dissections slowly breaking down. You had anatomous like

1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Visalius publishing intricate drawings of the human body, and artists

1:05:13.520 --> 1:05:17.480
<v Speaker 2>like Michelangelo celebrating the naked form. People were gaining a

1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:21.680
<v Speaker 2>clearer insight into structure and function. And then you have

1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:24.960
<v Speaker 2>microscopes allowing a view of the world as it had

1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:32.080
<v Speaker 2>never before been seen. What these new perspectives revealed was

1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:36.560
<v Speaker 2>that humoral theory simply did not hold up under scrutiny.

1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:39.120
<v Speaker 2>The vena cava was not connected to the liver as

1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Galen had claimed, nor were the lungs simply there to

1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:45.720
<v Speaker 2>cool the heart. Oh, I mean, there were entire humoral

1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:46.960
<v Speaker 2>structures missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, we've talked about breath before and how

1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:55.240
<v Speaker 2>it was not understood why.

1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Breath was what breath was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because we didn't know about oxygen. And yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anatomical dissections ironically were permitted because they were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>support humoral theory and provide more detail, not dethrone it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so Visalius's findings were quite an unwelcome shock to

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<v Speaker 2>the medical establishment of the mid sixteenth century, which had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, still was adhering to Galen's teachings. But you

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't uncrack that egg, and this marked the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the end for humoralism. Observable evidence obtained through experimentation became

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<v Speaker 2>the gold standard for establishing new laws of nature and

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<v Speaker 2>guidelines for practicing medicine, just empiricism basically, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>no concept of health and disease that could immediately replace

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<v Speaker 2>humoral theory, and so it was a slow decline. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't help that humoralism was literally embedded in language, not

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<v Speaker 2>just for physicians or scientists, but for everyone, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was how you understood yourself, it was how you understood

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<v Speaker 2>the way you moved about the world. Blood wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>blood it could be invigorating or excessive, pure or corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>But that connection grew thin as scientists discovered that blood,

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<v Speaker 2>well was just blood, and the human body actually bore

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<v Speaker 2>a closer resemblance to the machines that engineers were inventing,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than the mystical being imagined by the ancients. The

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<v Speaker 2>feeling was that everything would eventually be figured out in

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<v Speaker 2>short order, and for many things that was true. The

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century saw germ theory oust miasma, The circulatory system

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<v Speaker 2>was fully mapped, the beginnings of hormones and vitamins were

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<v Speaker 2>starting to be understood, and there were effective treatments developed

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<v Speaker 2>for a myriad of illnesses. Bit by bit, body part

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<v Speaker 2>by body part, medicine was laying claim to distinct areas

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<v Speaker 2>of human health. The one realm that seemed stubbornly opaque

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<v Speaker 2>was the brain and nervous system. Still true, neurology as

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<v Speaker 2>it was born in the late eighteen hundreds wasn't explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>modeled after humoralism, but it certainly paralleled it. Hysteria was

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<v Speaker 2>associated with excess fluidity okay, and was thought to be

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<v Speaker 2>impacted by diet exercise. Too much of this, too little

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<v Speaker 2>of that some of which might have a trace of

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<v Speaker 2>truth to it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what's so interesting about I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not to the extreme of like don't do

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<v Speaker 3>this in summer, don't do this in winter, but like

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<v Speaker 3>so much of it is like still, like we should

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<v Speaker 3>move our bodies makes sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Is common sense? A lot of it is just common

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<v Speaker 2>sense advice. Yeah, but then there were Yeah, things like

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<v Speaker 2>neurasthenia also had associations that were very like humoral in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Melancholy remained pretty much unchanged in its conception. It was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>black bile cooled the brain, it makes you depressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The psychiatrist of decades past, just like those today, have

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<v Speaker 2>sought to bridge the gap between the brain and the mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and part of that bridge has really been constructed with

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<v Speaker 2>the concept of temperaments, Like why do we respond the

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<v Speaker 2>way we do to certain events? Do certain individuals tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be affected by this disease or that disorder, whether

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<v Speaker 2>these are mental health illnesses, or whether these are like

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<v Speaker 2>physical illnesses, people who are high strung, they are thought

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<v Speaker 2>to have higher blood pressure and all these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Why.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason is because humors have not left the building.

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<v Speaker 2>The traces of humoral theory can be found in the

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<v Speaker 2>language that we use, like sanguine, like melancholy, good, humored,

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<v Speaker 2>bilious gall In Greek, the word coli means bile. Melon

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<v Speaker 2>means black, So melancholy black bile, Like that is directly

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<v Speaker 2>what it comes from. Isn't that fascinating?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah huh. But the humoral theory has also lingered beyond linguistics,

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<v Speaker 2>like we still seek balance in our lives, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>our work life balance, getting the right the balance, diet,

1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:17.519
<v Speaker 2>enough exercise and relaxation. We feel like we should eat

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<v Speaker 2>certain foods in certain times of year, right, like warm

1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:24.200
<v Speaker 2>and hearty soups in the winter. We take ginger for

1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:28.519
<v Speaker 2>nausea and humoralism ginger is warming, and so that was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to help to combat whatever it is, phlem or something. Yeah, yeah,

1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:39.519
<v Speaker 2>eucalyptus for stuff sinuses like, also straight from humoral theory.

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<v Speaker 2>We're only now recognizing the role that diet might play

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<v Speaker 2>in a myriad of things that we just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>had discarded previously, like mental health, maybe via our microbiome.

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<v Speaker 2>This would not have surprised humorists at all, which I

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<v Speaker 2>find really fun and interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all a circle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all a circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, scientists and medical practitioners operate under a framework that's

1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:11.960
<v Speaker 2>been refined by decades of observation and experimentation, and we

1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:15.600
<v Speaker 2>rely on these general rules to make sense of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we discarded humoralism in favor of empirical science,

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<v Speaker 2>we also left behind perhaps what I think is like

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<v Speaker 2>the most important lesson of humoral theory, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>that each patient is a unique person, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to first understand that individual and where they come from

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<v Speaker 2>and who they are in order to help them. So

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<v Speaker 2>like that's I don't know, that was something that I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about in terms of like just how the temperaments. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is putting people in boxes, but it is also

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledging them as individual people right at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just thought that was an interesting little foray.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the lesson that I could draw from humoralism. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, just full disclosure. I wrote most of

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<v Speaker 2>this when I was sick, and so I like reading

1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:08.840
<v Speaker 2>it over. I was like, wow, this feels like a

1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:13.880
<v Speaker 2>fever dream. You can hear it in my voice to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the humoral theory all is it is a fever dreamer,

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<v Speaker 3>so maybe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a fever dream. Yeah. I had no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to do for gallbladders. I did not

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<v Speaker 2>expect to come down this path of funeral theory of disease,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought it was fun Then I was like thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what humoral temperament? Temperament? Am I?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I asked my sister actually, and she

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<v Speaker 2>said I was choleric, which is like the argumentative one I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would I would agree with that, but I would say

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to guess myself is the same, So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think we might be. Yeah, we might be a mix

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<v Speaker 2>of of choleric and sanguine as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think on the border line there yellow and red,

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<v Speaker 3>perfect can optimistic also, right, yeah, sometimes, But that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got for gallbladder, which is really the humoral theory

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<v Speaker 2>of disease.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not expect that journey, and I really quite

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad. I'm glad. What's what's going on with gallbladder

1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:20.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff today? Let's let's wrap this up by getting back

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<v Speaker 2>to where we started.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, let me tell you about it. I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>already told you about it, Aaron, Honestly, Okay, ten to

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen of adults in the US and in Europe, and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have data on like across the whole globe,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's estimated on average ten to fifteen percent of

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<v Speaker 3>adults end up with gallstones. But luckily most people eighty

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<v Speaker 3>percent or so of people with gallstones are asymptomatic. The

1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:22.479
<v Speaker 3>other twenty percent may end up with complications at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten to fifteen percent of those complications will be acute colisciitis,

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<v Speaker 3>so that is by and large the most common complication

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<v Speaker 3>of gallstones. There are pretty big differences in like prevalence

1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:40.559
<v Speaker 3>of gallstones, especially if you're looking at different like racial

1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:43.960
<v Speaker 3>or ethnic groups, like within the US, for example. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is not necessarily thought that this is genetic, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't found genetic markers that clearly explain this, and

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<v Speaker 3>so the thought is maybe it's more related to say,

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<v Speaker 3>dietary factors in different like populations or different areas, which

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<v Speaker 3>my underscore that it's just a social construct after all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Okay, I did think though that like there

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<v Speaker 2>tended to be gallbladder like family history of gallbladder might

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<v Speaker 2>or gallbladder removal makes you more likely to have gallbladder there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there are some like familial clustering, but we

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<v Speaker 3>still haven't found any like genetic markers. So is it

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<v Speaker 3>microbiome where you know, you have similar microbiomes when you

1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:25.640
<v Speaker 3>live in the same households and things. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know, Okay, does it could also be genetic

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<v Speaker 3>and we just don't know it yet. Sure, people assigned

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<v Speaker 3>female at birth are more likely to have complications from gallstones,

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<v Speaker 3>although that's also less true in older populations, Like it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of evens out the older that you get. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's maybe thought. Is it the estrogen that

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<v Speaker 3>we have higher levels of, especially you know in our

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<v Speaker 3>younger years prior to menopause. We don't. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but those are some of the risk factors. There's also

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<v Speaker 3>other things. Sometimes higher BMI is associated with the higher

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<v Speaker 3>risk of gallstones, but also so is weight loss associated

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<v Speaker 3>with gallstones and complications. I mentioned diabetes and some of

1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.960
<v Speaker 3>our diabetes medications. And we know too that it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just a cute coli cystitis. The incidence of acute pancreatitis

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<v Speaker 3>is about forty per one hundred thousand each year in

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<v Speaker 3>the US. Okay, I should have aired mathat but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But about fifty percent of those are from gallstones, and

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<v Speaker 3>gallstones are kind of the major risk factor for gallbladder cancer,

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<v Speaker 3>of which there are an estimated one hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>thousand or socases each year across the whole globe. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's my stats. Okay. According to most sources in the US,

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<v Speaker 3>there are about half a million Coli systectomies performed every

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<v Speaker 3>single year, So that means half a million gallbladders. Get

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<v Speaker 3>the bucket kicked? WHOA, I know it's a lot, right. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, okay, if you have a liver transplant,

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<v Speaker 2>uh huh, is the gallbladder ever come with?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Okay, I don't know why. I was just curious.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting question, I think so. No, okay, great question.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they take the gallbladder out? I don't. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I ought to know more about this, but they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they're butts their pals. There's a little pouch for it. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Great question.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you abbreviated question. Great question.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, what are we doing in terms of research with

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<v Speaker 3>the gallbladder. Great question. I don't know, okay, okay, but

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<v Speaker 3>I did find a really interesting paper. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>real long and like deep in detail. So if someone

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<v Speaker 3>wants to get deep into this, I got some sources

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<v Speaker 3>for you. I underestimate just how important bio acids are

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<v Speaker 3>and how much of a role they serve outside of

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<v Speaker 3>just digesting are fats. They're important in like intestinal homeostasis.

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<v Speaker 3>They're important in like absorption. But if there's too much

1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:20.680
<v Speaker 3>of them that makes it to the colon, they can

1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.360
<v Speaker 3>end up causing diarrhea. If there's not enough, you can

1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:27.120
<v Speaker 3>end up with chronic constipation. So there's been like bio

1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:32.720
<v Speaker 3>acid dysfunction implicated in ibs. They're affecting our microbiome. That

1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:36.759
<v Speaker 3>might even affect the increases in risk in colon cancer.

1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.400
<v Speaker 3>And we've seen a lot about colon cancer lately and

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<v Speaker 3>increased risk especially in young folks. That might have something

1:18:42.680 --> 1:18:44.519
<v Speaker 3>to do with bio acids. We don't know, still up

1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:49.520
<v Speaker 3>for debate, And there's just increasing evidence of bio acid's

1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:53.160
<v Speaker 3>role in a myriad of other disease processes, and so

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<v Speaker 3>there's research ongoing into using drugs that target bio acid receptors.

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<v Speaker 3>Either black looking them or activating them as potential treatments

1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.559
<v Speaker 3>for a number of different diseases. We also do use

1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:11.519
<v Speaker 3>bile acid sequestrians, so that's like things that grab onto

1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:13.800
<v Speaker 3>bile acids and help us to just poop them out

1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:18.360
<v Speaker 3>rather than reabsorbing them, mostly to treat elevated cholesterol. But

1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:20.080
<v Speaker 3>we don't use them really often because they have quite

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of side effects, especially diarrhea and like bloating

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<v Speaker 3>and things like that. So yeah, none of that is

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<v Speaker 3>very gall bladder specific, but it's just I mean, but bile,

1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:33.880
<v Speaker 3>bile and bile acids so so interesting. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to read more, let us tell you about all

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<v Speaker 3>of our sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you want to read more about definitely something

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<v Speaker 2>that is not gallblader specific in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a book called Passions and Tempers and it's

1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:53.800
<v Speaker 2>about the humoral theory of disease by Noga Arika. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a paper which just has a few funt tedbits.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a book chapter actually called History of Medical and

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<v Speaker 2>Surgical Management of Acute Coalesistitis by Barry and Frank from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen. And I've got a few more sources, especially

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<v Speaker 2>on those big gallstones and you know, so Guinness Booker

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<v Speaker 2>World Records, get on this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I also had a number of sources I used,

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<v Speaker 3>primarily also a textbook chapter. It was from the textbook

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<v Speaker 3>Comprehensive Physiology, and the chapter was called Functions of the gallbladder. Surprise, surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>I also used a bunch of other specific papers to

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<v Speaker 3>look at. For example, there was one from the Lancet

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and six called Cholesterol gallstone Disease. There

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<v Speaker 3>was a Gamma review from twenty twenty two called acute coalsistitis,

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<v Speaker 3>a review I've got one on gall bladder cancer, one

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<v Speaker 3>on pancreatitis, a few others on bile acids, both the

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<v Speaker 3>synthesis and their use in these other like the other

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<v Speaker 3>functions that they serve. You can find all of that

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<v Speaker 3>on our website, this podcast we Kill You dot Com

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<v Speaker 3>under the episodes tab.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly, Ken Maria, thank you so much again for sharing

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<v Speaker 2>your story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, seriously, thank you so much, so much for telling

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