1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Here we go. It's a Thursday. We're in Chicago. It 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: is our number two. By the way, last night, John, 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I went to a restaurant, John, you and I went 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: to in Chicago. I am here to tell you. If 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: a restaurant has a pork chop on the menu, order 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: it because nobody puts it on there unless they're good 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: at it. Everybody has to put Like you know, you 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: go to an Italian restaurant, you gotta put lazag on 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: the menu, whether you're good at it or not. You 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: go to a steakhouse, Yella steak salmon restaurant puts a 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: pork shop and it's not like a steakhouse. You need 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: to order that puppy because I did last night, and 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: I walked home and no man in America was happier 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: than me last night, John, not even you, you know. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: And I spoke to my wife and she ordered some 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: obscure item on door dash and hated it. I said, Maria, 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: we can't keep ordering these crazy items. Just the pork chop, 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: the steak, the chicken. What's not out? 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: Think the room. 27 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: It's not out, think the room. Well that and that's 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel. He doesn't outthink the film. Forty six years 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: at NFL Films Thursdays during the football season. We love him. 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: So all right, So I let let's this is where 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I lean on you. So I think Shador is bigger. 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: I think he I think he's really accurate. But he's 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: a different quarterback than Dylan Gabriel. They are different quarterbacks. 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: You've watched all you know, you watched Dylan, You've watched Shadure. 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: What does the film say? What? What? What do you see? 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: What is who does Stefanski trust? Who do you face 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: in pressure? What is the film saying? The Browns young quarterbacks? 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: So I think we're trying to figure out who's going 39 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: to be quarterback number three on. 40 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 5: The Browns right right? 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: Well, you know, Dylan Gabriel is a player that Stefanski 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 4: really liked because the way it works in the league, Colin, 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 4: and you know this is offensive. Coaches, they think about 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: how does a player work. 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 5: Within my scheme? And what Gabriel. 46 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a too attaga 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: Iloa in that he hits his back foot and the 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: ball comes out. He's a rhythm player. He's a timing player. 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: That's his game. He's a shorter quarterback, so he needs 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 4: to play that way and he did that effectively for 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: two years in college, one at Oklahoma, one at Oregon. 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 4: and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, 54 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 4: by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad 55 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 4: a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 4: the pocket. 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 5: Ye. 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: Now, he can throw the ball well, but there are 60 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: some things he would have to clean up clearly. And 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 4: you know, he came from a program in Colorado where 62 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: there were a ton of tunnel screens, a ton of 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: easy throws. 64 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 5: He would need to learn. 65 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 4: How to better navigate the pocket, although he showed some 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: signs of that. But again, I think we're talking about 67 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep. 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 5: No team keeps. 69 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: Four quarterbacks, so it's going to be interesting going down 70 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 4: the stretch here. And then Sanders got hurt and missed 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 4: some time in practice, and that's not going to help him. 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean what you're saying basically, and we've seen this 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: from offensive coaches before, run my play. Sean Payton loves Bonnicks, 74 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: but he really likes him because he runs his play effectively. 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: And what you're saying is Dylan Gabriel, like a TUA, 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: runs the play they call should do or sometimes ad 77 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: libs out of it. Is that what you're saying. 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: It's not that he ad libs out of it. He's 79 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: not as efficient in that style of just hitting his 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: back foot and getting the ball out. You know, that's 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: the way Dylan Gabriel has always had to play because 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: of his size. 83 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 5: So, but that's the way. 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: Coaches think, and I'm not sure a lot of people 85 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: think that way and understand that is coaches. The term 86 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 4: that's used a lot with in the NFL is scheme adaptability. 87 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 5: Colin. 88 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: Coaches think on both sides of the ball in terms 89 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: of how does the guy fit into my scheme. 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 5: Can he run my scheme? You know? 91 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: You know this coaches worked sixteen hours a day and 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: they're putting in their scheme, their game plan. 93 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 5: It starts with OTAs. They want all this. 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: Executed, and when it's not executed, then it becomes a problem. 95 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. So brog Purty, when the roster was younger, healthier, 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: less brittle, was a really, really good quarterback. Last year 97 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: roster gets beat up. He's won in six against playoff teams. 98 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Now right now in camp, their wide receiving cores in 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 1: complete shambles and open up against a pretty lively athletic 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: Seattle defense up in the Northwest. That's a tough opener. 101 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: So when you looked at film last year of Purdy 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: going one in six down the stretch against playoff teams 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: that he couldn't make certain throws, was it that the 104 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: yards after cas were limited, like one in six from 105 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Purdy kind of jumps out at you when you look 106 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: at his early success. Now without Christian McCaffrey, it's a 107 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: different offense. But what did the films say about Purty 108 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: last year when he had to start games with a 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: patchwork group around him. 110 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you mentioned Purdy, because last week I 111 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 4: watched two hundred and fifty dropbacks of Purdy over a. 112 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: Two day period. Purdy is a really good quarterback, Colin. 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: The thing with Purdy is he's not Josh Allen or 114 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. He's not necessarily the kind of quarterback, even 115 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 4: though he does have mobility that's going to make those 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: kinds of plays by himself. Now we think of, you 117 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 4: know that I'm Mahomes making Allen make, so Lamar makes. 118 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 4: He certainly doesn't navigate the pocket the way Joe Burrow does. 119 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 4: But in terms of being what we call a post 120 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: snap operator, in other words, when he takes the snap, 121 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 4: he has such an intuitive feel for what he sees, 122 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: and therefore he's a really really good timing and anticipation thrower. 123 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: It's just innate to him. He sees it really quickly. 124 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: So Purdy is a high level post snap operator. He's 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: a really really good player. You know, it gets to 126 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: that old question of how many quarterbacks, Colin and you 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 4: can go back years and years are really great when 128 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 4: their team's not very good. I mean that's you know, 129 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: Purdy is a really good quarterback. He's just not a 130 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 4: dynamic athlete. Who's necessarily going to make those kind of 131 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 4: special plays on his own. But as a pocket quarterback, 132 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 4: he's pretty high level. 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Boy, too bad, Jason McIntyre's now on the show today. 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: He'd be doing backflips after that. Okay, Williams, I went 135 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: through the schedule this week and I said, listen, Chicago 136 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: historically has struggled in Division. They went one in five 137 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: last year in the Vision. They don't have Detroit Ross, 138 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: they may not have Green Bay's coach or quarterback, and 139 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Minnesota's rosters better front to back as well. So what 140 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: have you seen with Caleb what I'll address it this way, 141 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: What is Ben Johnson doing to Caleb? Where has he 142 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: made strides improving Caleb from what the film said last year? 143 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: Well, I think the number one thing is not when 144 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: he throws the ball. He's a great thrower of the football, 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: that is evident. Everybody knows that. And he's obviously a 146 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: great athlete who can make plays on the move. The 147 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: main part for Caleb Williams and the key for Ben 148 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball is snapped. 149 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: Because they call multiple plays in the huddle, there's a 150 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions. You've got 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: to be to do that with the necessary speed and efficiency. 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: So you get to the line of scrimmage and there's 153 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: time enough on the shot clock because you're going to 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: have the shifts, You're going to have the motions. Now 155 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 4: it's up to Caleb to decide if there's two plays called, 156 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 4: which one am I going to run? That part of 157 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: quarterbacking is the bigger deal for Caleb Williams as he's 158 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: learning the Ben Johnson offense, because Ben Johnson will set 159 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: you up beautifully with defined and clean reads and throws, 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: and Caleb Williams throws it as well as anybody. 161 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: I mean, you can see that. Everybody knew that when 162 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 5: he came out. That was never the issue. 163 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: But it's really from the point of the huddle until 164 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: the ball is snapped that's going to be the main 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: part that he has to become efficient at. 166 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: So so much of there's such an advantage for a 167 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels getting at Cliff Kingsbury, where a Justin Fields 168 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: has had a lot of defensive coaches. I do think 169 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Sean Payton bow Nicks, I don't think bow would have 170 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: been that good had he had a defensive coach perhaps 171 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: I think I think just offensive coaches and quarterbacks. There's 172 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: they rebuild all lines quicker. There's a sensibility about it. 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: Sure. 174 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: So I look at Jackson Dart. Three years with Lane 175 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: Kiffin is high level coaching, and then he gets Brian 176 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: Dable more than capable in a playoff game with Daniel Jones. 177 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: And my thing is, you can you can tell me 178 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: that he's not quite ready. But three years a lane 179 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: and a camp with Brian Dable. When you look at 180 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: the film of Jackson Dart in preseason, do you see 181 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: areas where oh, whoa, whoa, he's not ready or does 182 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: he see the field? What does the film tell you? 183 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: Well, they really did a good job in the preseason 184 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: of allowing him to get comfortable. And that's what the 185 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: preseason really is. For a lot of empty sets. Okay, 186 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: he's very comfortable in empty sets. 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: It spreads the field. 188 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: They got a lot of base defensive looks that were 189 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: not difficult to read. They played a little bit up tempo, 190 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: which he certainly used to in Lane Tiffin. So they 191 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: did a lot of things that help him really get comfortable. 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: So when he's on the field, you know he's not 193 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 4: going through major progressions here. He's not doing that if 194 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: he becomes the starter, and we'll see how all this 195 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 4: plays out. You know, who knows what's going on there. 196 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: But I don't know how you feel. But there's a 197 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: part of me that wouldn't be surprised if he's named 198 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: the starter. But we'll see how that plays out. But 199 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 4: they tried to make it easy for him so that 200 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: he can make confident throws, which he did, and he 201 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 4: obviously has movement ability so well. You know, obviously when 202 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 4: the regular season starts and teams game plan, things get 203 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: different because you're going to see a lot of different things. 204 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: But he certainly was efficient, just like Caleb Williams was 205 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: super efficient against the Bills. You know, second and thirdeen players. 206 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: But that's what you want. You want efficiency, so the 207 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 4: quarterback feels good. 208 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't think the Steelers was a great 209 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: choice by Aaron Rodgers, much like the Jets defensive head coach, 210 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: unpredictable offensive line inability in recent years to run the ball, 211 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: And I said, it's just this is an offensive line 212 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: under Mike Tomlin that has had six years and not 213 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: a lot to show for it. They have not run 214 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: the ball consistently, they lose Najie Harris, their left tackle, 215 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: and I just thought San Francisco, Minnesota, I thought there 216 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: were better spots for him. So if you go back 217 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: to the Jets and Aaron last year in the film, 218 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: it could look a little bit like the Steelers to me, 219 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: are a better run version of the Jets, right, like 220 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: a better front office, a better coach. Go back to 221 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: the Jets last year. Is Aaron way past his prime? 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Does he do anything that resembles the great Aaron? 223 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: He he throws the ball super well. You know, I think 224 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 4: when you sign Aaron Rodgers owhen he's your quarterback. To me, 225 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: the bigger issue is how you mesh would you want 226 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 4: to do as an offensive coordinator, And it's Arthur Smith 227 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: with the fact that one of rogers his greatest strengths 228 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 4: has always been his ability to control the game at 229 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage and then be able to adjust 230 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: and change plays. So that I think for an offensive coordinator, 231 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: that's something that you really have to work on because 232 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: you don't want to take that away from Aaron Rodgers, 233 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: Because anybody who works with Aaron Rodgers will tell you 234 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: he's among the smartest quarterbacks they've ever seen, and he's 235 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 4: so good at the line of scrimmage in controlling the game. 236 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 4: So to me, the larger question is how do you mesh? 237 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 4: How does author Smith mesh what he wants to do 238 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 4: with his offense because he's got a clearly defined offensive 239 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: approach with the fact that Aaron Rodgers is so good 240 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage and likes to change things 241 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: based on what he sees. 242 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, So an interesting storyline that has developed this offseason 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: in training camp and in the preseason is Matthew Stafford's help. 244 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 245 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: So if you think about last year, the Rams were 246 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: driving in the snow and Philadelphia after a Puka Nakuah 247 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: completion to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, who tramps Kansas City 248 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. So my take is the defense, 249 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent. I'm sure the film says that, 250 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: especially in the box, there's a lot of talent up front. 251 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: But when I look at their offense and their point 252 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: differential last year, does the film tell you this is 253 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: really this is about McVeigh and Stafford's brilliance, not really 254 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the offensive roster composition. Because I said the other day, 255 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: I said, if Matt Stafford doesn't play. This is the 256 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: only team in the league that could win the Super 257 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: Bowl or finish four and thirteen, because I think even 258 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City with their roster and their overall talent and 259 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: coaching could win seven eight games of Mahomes got banged up. 260 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: When you look at the Rams on film, what is 261 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: their offense? Is it basically the brilliance of two guys 262 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: and kind of a limited offensive roster. 263 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: To some extent. 264 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: I mean, they don't have a great offensive roster, and 265 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: certainly the wide receiver position now is they don't have 266 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: great players there. You know, Nikup is really good, but 267 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 4: he's a certain kind of player, and Stafford has just 268 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 4: always been so good and another guy that is really 269 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: good at understanding what he's seeing, changing plays, calling audibles, 270 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: still has a big time arm, can make any throw 271 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: an aggressive thrower, which you really need to be in 272 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 4: the NFL. And McVeigh has always been so good in 273 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: terms of formations, shifts, motions, getting guys open, making it 274 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 4: tough for the defense. But yeah, you're right, offensively, they 275 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,239 Speaker 4: do not have great players throughout that offense. And Stafford's 276 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: injury the back particularly, you know, don't forget he had 277 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: back injuries when he was twenty five and twenty six. 278 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: This is not brand new, and now he's I think 279 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: thirty seven. So you know, I love watching Matthew Stafford play. 280 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: He's always been one of my favorite guys to watch 281 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: on film. But I'd be a little concerned about that 282 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: back injury. You know, that's a tough deal as you 283 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: get older. 284 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: Okay, finally, you know, I've always loved Sam Darnald. Last 285 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: year yea through fourteen weeks, it was a very fun 286 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: story for me. But when you watched him, was it 287 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: about Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson. Do you see him 288 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: going to Seattle with a defensive coach with an offensive 289 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: line that was bad last year? Do you think he 290 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: replicates it? Is he now overvalued based on a remarkable coach, 291 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, solid run game. Where are you on Sam 292 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: Donald off of last season? What does the film tell you? 293 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 5: Well? 294 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: I think that the reason that Seattle wanted Donald is 295 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: because with Kubiak there as the OC, they're going to 296 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: run a lot of similar concepts as the Vikings did. 297 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 5: They're putting them under center. 298 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: Because I believe Donald last year was either the second 299 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 4: or third most dropbacks. As a conventional play action quarterback meeting, 300 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: he was under center. That's what he did really well 301 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: under Kevin O'Connell, and that's what Kubiak is going to do. 302 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: They're going to start with the outside zone run game, 303 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: put Donald under center, and let the play action game 304 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: be a foundation of what they do. There's less reading 305 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: involved in the play action game, particularly when you're under center. 306 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: It holds the second level defenders better because they have 307 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: a longer time to wait to see if it's run 308 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: or pass. So I think the thought process was Donald 309 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 4: was very good running that style of offense, that philosophical style, 310 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 4: and now we're going to do something very similar and Colin. 311 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 5: By the way, most quarterbacks need. 312 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: A particular style, a particular philosophy to be effective. There's 313 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: very few transcendent quarterbacks that you can just say, let's 314 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: do anything and they'll be great. So that to me 315 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: is not a knock on Donald. That's the way it 316 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: is with most quarterbacks. 317 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films this point forward. 318 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: For the next twenty twenty two weeks, it's going to 319 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: be Greg co Sell on Thursdays as always great sing. 320 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 5: You thanks, Corn, appreciate it. 321 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: You bet well, Middle Coff. You and mac jmack have 322 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: been sell me on Brock party for years. You know, 323 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: look eat a little crow there. He loves him on film. 324 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: But I do think that opener for San Francisco on 325 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: the road against Mike McDonald's defense and they're basically going 326 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: to be using number three, four and five wide receivers. 327 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: That's I do think that is a tough opener. Would 328 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: you agree with that? 329 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: If he lights them up? Will you apologize to him? 330 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: If Brock Purty lights up Seattle, Yes, he's done it before, 331 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: like seven times. But little come uppings for me, perhaps 332 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: one more heard. 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He thinks that Jim 347 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: Harbaugh should be suspended in the NFL. I think what's 348 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: happening in college football, which is between the nil and 349 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the transfer portal. It's a little bit of the wild 350 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: Wild West. They have put some bumpers into the bowling lanes, 351 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: but you can buy high school players now, and so 352 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: for me, I'm not getting worked up over an iPhone 353 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: shaky video some labeling it KGB level by Connor Stallions. 354 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I you know, listen, I think they got they're gonna 355 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: get fined the loose thirty million dollars and uh, Jim 356 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: Harbaugh can't come back into college coaching. But I think Michigan, 357 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: if this quarterback they got can play and this coach 358 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: can coach, they're fine. I think the easiest thing for 359 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: a big brand to do in college football or college 360 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: basketball is right at check. You don't want to lose, 361 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to lose bowl practices. You 362 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: don't want to have vacated wins, and so I think 363 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: Michigan could be fine as long as the coach can coach. Now, 364 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: if you find out by this year you got the 365 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: wrong guy coach and you have to go get another coach, 366 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: he may be turned off by all this stuff Michigan's 367 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: dealing with and the noise and in your field, your 368 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: options may be limited. But let's wait and see if 369 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: this guy's the right coach. Because the quarterback, then the 370 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: recruited with the nil money, a big time player. John 371 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: Middlecoff with the news. Turn on the news. 372 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News. 373 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: Okay, Colin, your guy, Baker Mayfield. He's had a career resurgence, 374 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: leading the play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the playoffs 375 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: in both seasons, says taking. 376 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: Over for Tom Bray. 377 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: Tampa won ten games last year, and there's a lot 378 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: of expectations surrounding the team, but Baker says, no matter 379 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: the expectations, it doesn't change the team's approach and their 380 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: ultimate goal is a Super Bowl. Baker, he's twenty five 381 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: to one to win the MVP, and he's coming off 382 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: career highs in completion percentage, yards, touchdowns, and passer rating. Colin, 383 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 3: what are your expectations for Baker Mayfield in Tampa this year? 384 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: Well, I have him winning the division, mostly because I 385 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: just don't I don't necessarily trust what Atlanta is, So 386 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Baker to win the division. 387 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: I do think Atlanta. I think Atlanta beat Tampa twice 388 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: last year. I think I like Pennex, you like him. 389 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: I do worry about losing two offensive linemen here in 390 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: preseason because they already moved off Drew Dolman an excellent 391 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: top five or six center. So I'm going to give 392 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: Baker the division. I feel pretty good about it. 393 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm not only giving them the division. 394 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: I think Atlanta is gonna be in shambles if their 395 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: offensive line falls apart as I think Carolina can finish second. 396 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: But I actually like Baker twenty five to one. 397 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: I think it's one of the better long shot You 398 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: know MVP bets on the board. Typically it's Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning, Mahomes, 399 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Lamarge, But every once in a while there's 400 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: a Matt Ryan. He was the number one overall pick, 401 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: He's won a Heisman. There's a lot of momentum for 402 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: this player. What if you tell me that Baker throws 403 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: forty five touchdowns. Chris Godwin was just activated off pup. 404 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: You know, Mike Evans, they draft a first round wide 405 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: receiver from Ohose State that everyone loves Bucky. Their offense 406 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: is gonna be awesome. Baker the last two years has 407 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: put guys Kanalis and Liam Cohen become head coaches on 408 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: his watch. 409 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, something big like Russell Wilson could ever do that. 410 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a lot of momentum for 411 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield at end of this season. 412 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: How about you Mecha Obuka the receiver from wide receiver. 413 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: How about throw this up dark horse Offensive Rookie of 414 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: the Year. 415 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: What if they double dip MVP Offensive Rookie of the Year. 416 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: I mean, if he gets ten touchdowns and Baker throws forty. 417 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: Five and they'd have to win, you couldn't win ten. 418 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 3: But if I told you they won twelve or thirteen 419 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: games and they were the two seed behind the Eagles, 420 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: I think, you know, assuming that Josh Allen lamar a 421 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: little fatigue, Mahomes probably won't have the numbers. 422 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: I think I think it's possibility. Speaking of a team 423 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: that will not have the MVP. The Jets. 424 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: They're coming off a bad preseason loss of the Giants 425 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: last week, and in response, they held a secretive quote, 426 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: players only practice without the media, assistant coaches president. But 427 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: the problem here, Colin, is there was a coach there. 428 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: It was the head coach, Aaron Glenn. During the practice, 429 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: players reportedly conducted their own drills, called their own plays 430 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: so the players could take ownership of what was going on. 431 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: Colin, what do you think of this? I don't like it. 432 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I said it when he was hired. 433 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean lessen half the coordinators should hire 434 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: don't work like that. I mean, when you hire Jim Harbaugh, 435 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna work. Or when Kansas City hires Andy Reid, 436 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna work. Or when Denver hire Sean Payton. There's 437 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: certain things like Mike McCarthy and Dallas. You thought it 438 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: would be somewhat successful. 439 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 5: It was. 440 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: Co Ordinators are fifty to fifty at best, and the 441 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators feel like it's less than fifty to fifty. 442 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: I just I get a vibe that this thing could 443 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: roll backwards fast. 444 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think one problem obviously, they do have a 445 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: lot of good young players, Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Quinn Williams. 446 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: Their quarterback play justin Field. 447 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: Seems like a great guy and he was really impressive 448 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: the way he's handed the last couple of years. But 449 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 3: he's not a very good football player at quarterback. I mean, 450 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: he struggles to pass. So I think offensively they're going 451 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: to be in shambles. Obviously, the Bills are a powerhouse. 452 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 3: The Patriots are going to be a lot better. I know, 453 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 3: we we love kind of dragging the Miami Dolphins. 454 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: I think the. 455 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: Jets are gonna be pretty bad as well. It's gone 456 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: gonna be a long season. Speaking of a team that's 457 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: not gonna be bad. To Houston Texans and their star 458 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: corner Derek Stingley Junior. He had a hell of the 459 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: season in twenty twenty four, earning a Pro Bowl selection 460 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: being named first team All Pro. 461 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: He got a big contract. 462 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: His head coach, high level guy, Demiko Ryans, had some 463 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: high per for the young player. 464 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 8: Derek definitely man definitely has one of the best hands 465 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 8: that I've seen. 466 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 7: From the corner perspective. 467 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 8: You can throw in, you know, Coach Brown some great 468 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 8: hands as well. 469 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 5: But Derek, he's a unique player. 470 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 8: He's very talented, very gifted, and for me, what I'm 471 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 8: most encouraged about. You see, from when I first got here, 472 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 8: to see where Stingley has grown to and what he's 473 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 8: become is like, it's very impressive to watch to see 474 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 8: the growth of a player, the development of him and 475 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 8: for him to be just the top of the top 476 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 8: of this craft, top of the game as a cornerback position, like, 477 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 8: he's doing outstanding job. 478 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: You know what. We got to give Houston's front off 479 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: of some credit here, John, They have done a really 480 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: good job. This This roster several years ago was a 481 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: bit of a mess. I don't care if it's getting 482 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: Stingley first round or Tank Dell in later rounds. They 483 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: got some dudes. When you watch Houston play, they got dudes. 484 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: They match up with almost everybody in the sport. 485 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: You know, I said yesterday Eelichick fell apart when Josh left. 486 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: How about Nick Cassario as well. So he lost Casio, 487 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: he lost Josh McDaniels, and the whole thing kind of unraveled. 488 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 3: I've always heard I don't know him personally. Nick Cassia 489 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 3: is a really high level guy. Yes, hiring Demiko, who 490 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: I know is a really high level guy, watching him 491 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: for years in San Francisco. They got a really good 492 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 3: thing going. I think last year they could be the 493 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: number one seed. Obviously, the offensive line issues, well. 494 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: They also fell apart at receiver. Their team is loaded. 495 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: I mean defensively, I think they have a chance to 496 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: be the best defense and one of the best defense. 497 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 5: In the league. 498 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you have to trust your eyes. When 499 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: I watched Seattle last year, I'm like, they got dudes. 500 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: I watch Houston like Houston's one of those teams you 501 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: watch play at Kansas City and you're like, they may 502 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: not have my homes, but they got guys everywhere that 503 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: can play. 504 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: And think about this. We love the Lions Corps, that 505 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: young core. 506 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: We talked about yesterday. 507 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: The Houston Texans c J Stroud, Will Anderson, Derek Stingley 508 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: played on a team with Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. 509 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 3: I mean, we love that team. It's only aging better 510 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: as time goes on. Their players are in the Pro. 511 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: So I like the Texans a lot this year. 512 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, having win their division as well. John Middlecoff with 513 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: the news. 514 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's the news. 515 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: And thanks for stopping back the. 516 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: Herd line news. 517 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's often repeated on this show that offensive coaches 518 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: really help quarterbacks, especially young quarterbacks. So you know, I 519 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: was watching the discussion online last couple of days when 520 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: Shane Steichen decided and the wording was clear, Daniel Jones 521 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: is the starter this season. What it's telling you, it's 522 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: sending a message, and the messages Anthony Richardson, he's a 523 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: backup this When Kyle Shanahan moved off, Trey Lance didn't 524 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: want to, did not want to. They gave up a 525 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of picks. Its signaled to the league as Trey 526 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: is not a starter, he can be a backup, good kid. 527 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: And so somebody like like when Netflix passes on a script, 528 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: there's not a long list of mega hits from the 529 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: Netflix recycle bin. They know what they're doing. You know, 530 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: when the CEO and insiders are selling company stock, nobody 531 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: knows the company better than those people. You may not 532 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: want to buy a ton of it. And so I think, 533 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean a prime example is Colin Kaepernick. When Colin 534 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Kaepernick had Jim Harbaugh, he was twenty five and fourteen 535 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: and got to conference championship games, a couple times in 536 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Without Harbaugh, he was not an NFL 537 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. He was three and sixteen quarterback rating in 538 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: the mid eighties. Colin Kaepernick, his career was a mess. 539 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: Down the stretch, Harball made him a Super Bowl quarterback. 540 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: You took Harball when Harbaugh bail thought he was, you know, 541 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: set all the right stuff, but distracted, inconsistent, kind of 542 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: only at a fastball, not real nuanced as a thrower. 543 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: The minute Harball moved off him, he was a wreck. 544 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: And like anthonyan Richardson, this idea that he's going to 545 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: go somewhere. I mean, Shane Steikin took Jalen Hurts. Jalen 546 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: Hurts before Shane Steiken completed fifty two percent of his throws. 547 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: He completed sixty six and a half percent with Shane Steikin. 548 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: So it's one of these things where don't outthink the room, like, 549 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: don't outthink the room. 550 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 5: Is that? 551 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: And then I think Kaepernick's better than Anthony richards And 552 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but if you look at his 553 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: numbers without Jim Harbaugh, they're kind of Anthony Richardson a 554 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: big athletic guy who's not terribly deft at the pocket stuff, 555 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: not great at it, and doesn't win a lot of games. 556 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: And again, Kaepernick is better than Anthony richards And but 557 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: I think when somebody that really knows an industry or 558 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: knows is like an insider, and Shane Stikeen knows quarterbacks. 559 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: Look at his numbers with Hertz and Herbert, like he 560 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. I mean, Shanahan made Matt shab 561 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: a pro bowler and Matt Ryan an MVP. That's why 562 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: it was inexplicable. The Cowboys are like, we'll give you 563 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. Trey can be 564 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: a backup. I mean Jim Arbos like, hey, put him 565 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 1: on the squad. I've had no problem with that. But 566 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: to me, it's like Anthony Richardson's not going to be 567 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback in the league. Well, he's young. Nobody 568 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: cares about age. I do not care how old my 569 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: surgeon is fix me. I don't care how old my 570 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: pilot is. Well, I mean, listen, we hit the side 571 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: of a mountain. But he's a young kid. He'll get 572 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: better land safely. I don't care about your age and 573 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: lack of experience that to you problem. So I just 574 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: think it sends a signal. Albert Breer was on earlier 575 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: this week on the Colts choosing Daniel Jones over Anthony. 576 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: And an offense. 577 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 9: The idea is, we got to be way more better 578 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 9: at taking way better at taking care of the ball 579 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 9: than we were in twenty twenty four. 580 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 5: And so I think they feel. 581 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 9: Like Daniel Jones, his ability to offer their upper the 582 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 9: offense's ability to protect the ball was just at a 583 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 9: higher level right now than Anthy Richardson. And there are 584 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 9: jobs on the line there this year, so they felt 585 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 9: like for the team they have right now, Daniel Jones was. 586 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: The better answer. 587 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: And any other thing is this is not the NBA. 588 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: So because the NBA, more than any league, allows all 589 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: their video to go on YouTube, and there's clips everywhere 590 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: that the NBA, more than any sports league, has a 591 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of fans that just watch the clips and they 592 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: don't watch the games like Baseball's always been like, you 593 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: can't use our video. So it's not as clip driven 594 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: as NBA. And because of that, an NBA player can 595 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: be a legend and never win a playoff series. John 596 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: Wall I love John Wall in the awful East. He 597 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: could never win a playoff series as super super talented guy. 598 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: But the point being is the NBA that you judge 599 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: and you go, oh, I love this player because it's 600 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: a clip driven view. Like the NFL. We watch the games. 601 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: It's not a highlight. You've got to complete third and 602 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: seven in the flat one hundred out of one hundred times. 603 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: You have to hit the layups. So the NBA, there's 604 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot of players who are legendary or iconic and 605 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: they're not winning players, but the highlights are awesome, and 606 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: that's okay. It's a different sport, different culture. Eighty two 607 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: game regular season. But I mean, LaMelo LaMelo Ball. I 608 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: don't want LaMelo Ball on my team. But Manny's a 609 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: good highlight guy. Remember Jason Williams out of like West Virginia, 610 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: Randy Moss's buddy. That guy was so much funny, almost 611 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: so much fun The clips were amazing and then you 612 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he's doing bounce passes off the elbow and 613 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: then you watch him over the course of a game 614 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that's a turnover machine, is out 615 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: of control. And so it's just different. In the NFL, 616 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: I've said this about Patrick Mahomes. If he completes twenty 617 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: seven throws, twenty four are twelve yards and in fourteen 618 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: yards and in and about three times a game from 619 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: the pocket, Mahomes is magical. And one or two times 620 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: with his feet he's magical. Five times out of thirty 621 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: three dropbacks, You're like, WHOA. Same with Josh Allen. He 622 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: jumps over a linebacker, he makes two throws running against 623 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: his body. But this is you gotta get the layups. 624 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: And Anthony just struggles with him. And I mean with 625 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: your career. He didn't average sixty percent completion rate high school, 626 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: college or the pros, And like, when your career go 627 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: look at career completion percentage. If it's under sixty, you're 628 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: not really you're probably not a starting quarterback. Now that 629 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't get an offensive coach that can 630 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: elevate you for a couple of years, but it's just 631 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at this right now. Look at 632 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: John Moran, six years in the league. His three point 633 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: shooting's gone down, Immature off the court, can't stay healthy. 634 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: But in this highlight driven league, I'm like, oh, in 635 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: top five guy in the league, It may not be 636 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: top twenty, can't shoot getting worse, can't stay healthy, not 637 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: terribly mature. But I like watching the clips, and that 638 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: is a real NBA reality. You can be a Hall 639 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: of Famer, honestly without making the playoffs. Your clips are great, 640 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: your moments are great. It's not the NFL. It's just different. 641 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: You got to complete sixty four percent of your throws. 642 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: You gotta stay healthy, you know what I mean. You 643 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: just passer ratings got to be mid nineties, are up. 644 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: If you want to get the if you want to 645 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: get big money, it's the Herd. 646 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 647 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 2: and noon Easter nin a em Pacific on Fox Sports 648 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 649 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 3: Tonight, the game's most historic rivalry takes center stage as 650 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: Alex Bregman and the Red Sox take on Aaron Judge 651 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: in the Ages, where the Astros battle of the Orioles. 652 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: Check local listings for the game in your area tonight 653 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 3: at seven eastern on Fox. 654 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: In recent years, one of the best coaching jobs was 655 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: done by Kevin Stefanski of the Cleveland Browns in twenty 656 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: twenty three. In that division, he won eleven games, and 657 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: his quarterbacks were old creaky Joe Flacco, Aud Deshaun Watson, 658 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: P J. Walker, and Dorian Thompson Robinson. Kevin Stefanski's a 659 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: hell of a coach, went to Penn. He knows more 660 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: than you do about offense. I know hard to believe 661 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: he does, and he knows more than me. He has 662 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: announced that Joe Flacco will start against the Rams twenty 663 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: five to thirty plays for the starters. Dylan Gabriel is 664 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: the backup. Shadoor Sanders is third. I know you've got 665 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: your Shador slash Barry Sanders jersey you're wearing. And I've 666 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: said before I think Shadeur was underdrafted. I think he was, 667 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: but speeding tickets silliness. Dylan Gabriel is a much more 668 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of centered, serious kid, and Shadeur is third. I 669 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: gotta trust Stefanski. Guy won eleven games with like musical 670 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: chairs at quarterback in twenty twenty three in the AFC 671 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: in a division with the Ravens. Joe Burrow, he won 672 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: eleven games. He knows more than I do. I know 673 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: you are absolutely sure you could be president. You would 674 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: do a better job. The where we live and everybody's 675 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: an expert. Everybody's an epidemiologist during a pandemic. Kevin Stefanski's 676 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: a smart guy. It's one of the two IVY League 677 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: coaches in the league. He's a pretty smart guy. He 678 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: won eleven games with that nonsense in twenty twenty three. 679 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: He's got Dylan Gabriel two and Shadur three. Greg Coosel 680 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: was on twenty five minutes ago and I asked him, 681 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: what you've seen both of them play in the preseason. 682 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: What do you see. 683 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 4: Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work 684 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 4: within my scheme? 685 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 5: And what Gabriel. 686 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 4: Is is he's essentially stylistically similar to a tu attaga Iloa. 687 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 4: Sanders is a little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, 688 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: and he has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, 689 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 4: by the way, even though the good outweighed the bad 690 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 4: when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift 691 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 4: a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in 692 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 4: the pocket. You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns 693 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: going to keep? No team keeps four quarterbacks, So it's 694 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 4: going to be interesting going down the stretch here, and 695 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 4: so then Sanders got hurt and missed some time in practice, 696 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 4: and that's not going. 697 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 5: To help him. 698 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: So let's be honest. The entire NFL told you he's 699 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: a fifth round pick, and the Browns are telling you 700 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: he's a third string quarterback. He was overvalued. I'm guilty 701 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: as charged. I thought, Oh, I can see him fall 702 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: into the second round. I guess I'm wrong, But the 703 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: league told you. And by the way, seven teams annually 704 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: are desperate for quarterback and another fifteen are desperate for 705 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: a backup. The whole league pass for four rounds, and 706 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: many of us believe Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Browns, 707 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: is the one that nudged the front office into drafting him. 708 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: So the brown drafted Dylan Gabriel two rounds before. So 709 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: you can run to your Reddit board and dog pound 710 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: dot com and say it's a conspiracy. But the whole 711 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: league told you he's a fifth round quarterback, and the 712 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: Browns are telling you. Kevin Stefanski, who won eleven games 713 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three with nonsense in a division with 714 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens well in the AFC, he's like his third 715 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: string quarterback. I you know, I think I'm pretty good 716 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: on the quarterback thing. Now that Sam Darnold can play, 717 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: I haven't missed a ton on quarterbacks. I thought, I thought, Shaner, 718 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know. I watched Jackson Dart with 719 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: better teammates. I watched Shador with a bad college O 720 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: line and no run game be really productive, productive against 721 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: much better rosters, much much better rosters. But the league 722 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: and the Browns, they're they're telling you, eh, eh, I mean, 723 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: I know this is hard for guys, but sometimes you 724 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: have to admit there are people that are are behind 725 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: the rope. They have access, they see stuff. I mean, 726 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: it sounded like to me. Remember Greg Cosel said a 727 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago on the show. He said, he said, 728 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: Shadour is accurate, but he's not as accurate as the 729 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: analysts are saying. The film tells you he's not that accurate. 730 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: He's accurate, but h And for the record, the Browns 731 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: have everything to gain on Shadur plane. If Shador, I mean, 732 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: if Schedeur could be the star, are you kidding me? 733 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: That would be unbelievable as a fifth RAFP pick. Look 734 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: what it's done to the Niners. You can stack your roster, 735 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: you can get out from under that horrible Deshaun Watson contract. 736 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: They would love, they would love for chahdur as a 737 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: fifth round pick, to be a starting quarterback. There's no 738 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: there's no advantage to the Browns bearing him. And I said, 739 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: I looked at Dylan Gabriel in college, and my take 740 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: was he had great coaching and talent at Oregon. He's 741 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: just too small. He's going to struggle kind of seeing 742 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: the field, and he's acknowledged he can. I just I 743 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: just thought, I mean, he, you know, he looked smaller, 744 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: and I'd seen photos of him next to other, you know, 745 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: athletes at Oregon, and I thought, I just don't see 746 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: that as an NFL quarterback. I do. I've always said 747 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: size matters unless you're like Kyler Murray or Russell Wilson 748 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: in your prime and you can run around and you're 749 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: so elusive. That's not Dylan Gabriel. Schador's a legit six 750 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: to two. Shadour moves well enough and he was really 751 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: accurate behind with no talent around him at Colorado. But 752 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: Stefanski knows more than I do, and I trust him, 753 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: and there's no value in bearing him. I would love 754 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: to be on dog Poundbarks dot com today, I bet 755 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: you our website is lit. I bet they're going crazy 756 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: and everybody stinks but us in Cleveland dot com. I 757 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: would love to be on that. I don't have my 758 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: phone with me. Dogs by Nature is that the big one? 759 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: That site is roaring today, John, what do you make 760 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: of it? 761 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 3: Didn't Sefanski tell you what he thought about Shador when 762 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 3: he had the chance to take him in the third 763 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: round and he took another quarterback. And even if you say, well, 764 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: the GMS pick the players, no one picks a quarterback 765 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: for an offensive head coach. That's the offensive head coach, 766 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 3: even if he's not the boss in the draft room. 767 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 3: Quarterbacks are his baby. He chose Dylan Gabriel in the 768 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 3: third round. Now we can disagree, and I do that 769 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 3: was a little crazy, but he clearly likes Dylan Gabriel. 770 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not debatable. And Dylan Gabriel as what two, three, four, 771 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 3: five years worth of college experience that they're basing this 772 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: off of. 773 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,919 Speaker 1: Let's check out Wolfwolf dot com and see what they're saying. Man, 774 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: this is this is good. Dog Biscuit dot com. Let's 775 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: go check it out right now. Hour three now