WEBVTT - Full Interview w/ Jonathan Martin - Trump Is DESPERATE To Avoid Democratic Congress & Third Impeachment 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.920 And joining me now is the longtime friend, longtime colleague, 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.160 and honestly, we're just having our conversation and we just 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.720 decided to record it when we check in in politics. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.759 Jonathan Martin, the great j mart of political Are you 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.960 doing brother? Hey, seq thanks for having me. Well, I'm 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.759 getting you will time stamp this. It's Saturday morning. It 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.560 is two hours before the launch of the greatest sports 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.000 season of any given year, which is college football season. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.200 Week zero, which I am honoring this year because I 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.080 have great friends who are Iowa State fans, and I'm 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.519 happy for them that they're over in Dublin enjoying a 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.920 pint or two as they see the Clones take the 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.760 case stay of Wildcats. And because the Farm Bowl the 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.720 Farm Games, calling at Farmageddon. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.520 But you know, Iowa Nebraska would like their nickname back 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.440 when they started Farmageddon when Nebraska joined the Big Ten, 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.720 which I thought was a brilliant a brilliant way to 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.040 name a rivalry that never really existed before Nebraska. I 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.039 got into the Big Ten, Iowa Nebraska never played and 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.320 then it was like it was always Iowa State in Nebraska. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.360 Because I was ill Big Eight, I got familiar ties 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.400 to Iowa State. My grandparents both graduated from Iowa State. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.319 My big beef with Iowa State are those school colors. Men, 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.399 they only go together when you're at an Iowa State dame. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.080 I've done some cool turings to their uniform and recent 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.679 years age, you know, I don't want to get too 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.959 deep in the socio socioeconomic culture of Iowa and Kansas, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.000 but as you know, from having roots in Iowa, Iowa 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.000 stayed in case state. Are the aggie schools in Kansas, right, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.080 and you know k U and Iowa the liberal arts 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.600 English majors and the budding lawyers. You know, the farmers 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.800 and the engineers are going to Ames in Manhattan. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.200 And you know my grandfather was a mechanical engineer, so 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.320 you're gosh going right. He would say that, and he 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.080 would say, yeah, you know Iowa, you know he would. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.760 You know. It's funny though about islands. As much as 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.880 there's an Iowa State Iowa rivalry outside the state, you know, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.040 all islands root for both schools when they're playing anybody 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.839 outside the state. Yes, like there is this weird like, hey, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.560 don't pick only we get to pick on each other 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.400 and each other like some of the no it's not like, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.480 you know, the way I feel about the gators and 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.640 things o the islands. Good people, you know, exactly, and 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.240 they deserve first in the Nation status. And if they 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.399 don't get it, my second choice is actually Kansas, if 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.960 I if you know, it's actually not a bad place 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.880 for you. Andied riff a bit, which is the Democrats 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.440 are trying to figure out where to go first in 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.679 the nation and the three states that they're supposedly contemplating. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.760 To me, I look at what they're doing and it 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.960 looks like a party in retreat. They're afraid to go 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.800 anywhere that's remotely leans red. So you're you're reporting that 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:56.919 it's going to be New Hampshire. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.880 Yeah, So what my view on this is, Iowa New 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.160 Hampshire believed they have this like divine right to the 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.280 first in the Nation primary, which of course drives the 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.440 other state's crazy chuck. But here's why New Hampshire is different. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.400 It's a state of law. It's not a part of 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.240 an issue. It's run by the State of New Hampshire, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.480 not the two parties. They're gonna have it in January 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.960 or February or wherever. And if they are a leap frogged. Well, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.320 we know what happened in two thousand and eight. We 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.079 spend New Year's even des molining because the states will 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.800 just move up their primaries to avoid the leap frog 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.840 and chuck more to a point, Joe Biden did, obviously, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.360 graham damage to his party on a lot of levels. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.320 One of the things that's largely. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.320 Forgotten that he did was he rearranged the primary calendar 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.160 to ensure his renomination with little challenge, and he threatened 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.320 to take away New Hampshire's delegates if they still went first. Well, 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.120 of course they still went first, and guess what happened 0:03:55.360 --> 0:04:00.600 at the convention last summer in Chicago. Surprise, surprise, Hampshire's 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.720 delegates were restored. So they fired the one bullet they had, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.760 which is we'll take away your delegates, because no, you won't. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.000 You'll give them back up the convention. But here's the problem. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.640 The DNC does not look at this as a way 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.400 to build their party. And what the DNC needs is 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.160 to expand. This is not a party that's a national 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.159 party at the moment, right they're basically they cannot compete 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.600 in about twenty states, and that is not a functioning 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.920 political party if they go down this road of doctor 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.400 peting they need. The beauty of what Iowa did is 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.599 Iowa essentially because it was first in the nation, the 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.520 voters became swing voters. Right. This is one of those 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.680 cases where if you looked at Iowa through one the 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.239 prism of demographics, the way you look at any other state, 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.440 it never made sense that it was a swing state 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.440 for as long as it was. Arguably the reason it 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.680 was is because it got this outsized attention. Iowan's liked it, 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.080 and I think Frankly took It's a reminder to me 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.839 about this before. But I believe you can manufacture a 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.360 swing state if you treat the voters like swing voters, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.039 they will you. The voters will respond in ducon I 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.359 mean it is. And that is what I think is 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.159 the lesson of Frankly. Both Iowa New Hampshire states that 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:21.760 on paper aren't necessarily purple states the way a Michigan, Wisconsin, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.279 the way the actual battleground states look. They look different. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.159 But it's because of all this early action and the 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.080 early exposure. The voters, Frankly do wait and they do 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.000 kind of want to be persuaded. So and the Democratic parties. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.240 Problems in rural America don't get solved by being in 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.839 New Hampshire. Okay, rural New Hampshire is not rural Iowa 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.120 or rural Nebraskar world. Lessing about it, right, it's more 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.200 ll being than this car heard. Oh there's some car 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.800 here in the and by the way, and that's not right. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.440 There's certainly some right. Look, you spend a lot of time, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:57.719 and I know the main. 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.480 Second disc aren't spending their time. I'm merlin right there 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.400 their enfortments that are. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.320 You know, keen not. I mean during the caucusses, there's 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.880 almost a premium put on the candidates that do the 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.840 ninety nine counties, right, they like brag about it. It's 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.080 sort of a part of the it's part of the DNA. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.960 So it's a I find, you know, but my gosh, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.520 I mean, Jonathan, can you remember a time when that 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.320 the the functioning leaders of the Democratic Party were this week? 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:32.120 And no, I mean the two congressional leaders have profoile challenges. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.960 The governors obviously have talent. They're the strength the. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:41.479 Governor the the parties for we have five podcasts onto this, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.440 but the parties themselves are so weak now that it 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.360 doesn't matter who the chairman is. The party itself just 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.440 doesn't have the cloud that it once did because they 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.680 don't have the tools. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:52.960 They once had. 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.159 And for all the reasons we know, a small dollar 0:06:55.240 --> 0:07:02.520 giving social media, you know, uh agmented traditional media has. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.320 Made it so those folks just don't have the will 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.839 have the change. But the one thing they do control 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.120 is the calendar. And so here we have because you know, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.280 I will say, Jock, I think Iowa is not coming back, 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.760 even if Rob sand wins the governorship. I do. I 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.280 think if he wins the governorship, I think the calendar 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.320 is set by November twenty second. He was too late. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.400 You know. Well, by the way, speaking of the DNC, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.400 are they about to have a mess on their hands 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.680 in Minnesota. They're going to bring the entire DNC to 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.160 Minnesota and have this fight with the socialists. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.320 It's amazing, you know, when it rains in Forest man, right, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.560 you're about to have hit the DNC meeting, and yeah, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.960 why not expose one of the biggest visures in the party. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.320 And I know it's just just a filthy and if 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.160 you haven't paid attention to Minneapolis mayor's race, suddenly that 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.240 the state party up there is pulling an endorsement of 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:02.680 the challenger who won the state Minnesota DFL politics, you 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.720 can win a party endorsement at a convention without the 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.520 voters and all this, and so a Socialist at DSA 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:12.080 candidate that Democratic Socialists won the nomination, he sort of 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:16.640 gained the system. Which is a reminder that just like 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.760 the RNC was infiltrated by Ron Paul acolytes who became 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.640 mega people and took over the mechanics of these state parties, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.000 the DSA is doing the same thing in a lot 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.400 of states, aren't they, Jonathan, Yes, No, no, absolutely, most 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.319 prominently in New York, where they're about to like to mayor, 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.280 the biggest city in the country. But yeah, yeah, no, I. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.880 Mean, there's lots you can do with the weekend party 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.200 to basically go into it and sort of take it over, all. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.000 Right, Chuck, is a story. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.760 Is a story that obviously the up has been living 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.720 through for the last ten years. Trump beckwor took over 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.040 that party, and part of the reason why he did 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.840 was because they were so concerned in twenty fifteen that 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.760 he would take his ball and go home, and so 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.760 they they couldn't keep him out and so instead they 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.000 brought him in and he turns out he took over 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.960 the party. I keep thinking about, by the way, the 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.280 what if if Trump, if Ryan's previous and other sort 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.559 of party fathers had had really come down hard on 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.400 him in twenty fifteen, I think Trump would have been 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.760 tempted to create what we're seeing today in the UK. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:24.720 And I'm not sure that Trump would have had the 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.480 attention span to do it. That's what I think. I 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.280 don't think he would have had the follow through. But 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:35.320 Nigel Faraj has effectively marginalized one of Britain's two great 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.160 traditional parties, the Tories, by creating his own reform party, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.959 and which can I do? Like, I would have more 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.480 faith than Nigel Farage to have the attention span to 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.560 focus versus Trump that Stan does. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.480 I mean, I'm like, you know, he's proven that, but 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.280 Brexit on board. So but yeah, no, I mean, the 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.199 common threat is either side of the Atlantic, the traditional 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.280 parties are just are just a shadow of what they were. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.280 So my sort of opener today for this before before 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.600 people listen to you, is about sort of this weird 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.640 August we've been through, and I think sometimes and I 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.480 know you will appreciate this right August for any other entity, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.160 at any other time in our politics. For my thirty 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.600 five years in Washington, August has been this sort of 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.320 time to reset. If you had a major thing you 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.000 wanted to do, you didn't want to do it in August, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.439 you waited until September, or you hurried up and did 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.880 it in July. That's not how Trump rolls, right. Trump 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.559 just wants you know, as I say, I call it motion, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.080 even if there's no movement, right, He's always rocking the boat, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.079 even if it's anchored to the ground. Totally, this has 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.640 been quite I mean, think about the list of stuff 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.640 that's happened versus what how much of it matters? Right, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.120 We've had the We've had two summits involving Russia and 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:55.160 Ukraine that appear to have done nothing. We've had We've 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.760 we just had. Now let's we can work backwards. The 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.200 FBI raiding John Bolton's house to be weaponisizing of the FBI. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.640 We've got suddenly the government is Donald trump version of 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.840 socialism with intel ten percent that the federal takeover of Washington, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.000 DC manufactured. Interview with Gallainne Maxwell that they released make 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.520 it look like they've released something. I mean, it's actually 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.280 been amazing the stuff he's sort of thrown up there. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.880 But in all this sort of noise and nonsense, we 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:30.720 still have an economy that's that's in really tough shape, 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.839 and I don't know if Trump can distract his way 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.800 out of it. Yeah. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.320 One of the most famous examples of what you're alluding to, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.400 which is a sort of a fascination of mine has 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.040 been for a long time, which is this idea that 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.760 nothing happens at August was Andy Carr famously gave a 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.599 quote to The New York Times Elizabeth B. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.360 Miller in twenty twenty two saying, you don't roll out 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.000 any twenty oh too long. Yeah, yeah, until after labor 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.480 talking about the Iraq War by right, right, it was 0:11:58.480 --> 0:11:59.240 the Iraq War. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.200 Right, You don't roll down puff delay with it at 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.520 any event. Infamy. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.880 Yeah, No, it's old cliche in Washington, nothing happens in August. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.760 I actually have written something about this years ago that 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.640 it's not true of that ton of historic events have 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.560 taken away small August. But no, no, Trump doesn't do vacing. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.520 He plays a lot of golf, obviously, and takes in 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:23.400 a lot of TV. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.520 But he's not a vacation guy. He's not going to 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.600 deal with his wife and kids. Doesn't sit down. Hey, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.240 why don't we play monopoly like my kids love when 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.520 we're when we're not at home. That's the one time 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.120 dad will play board games right now, but I will. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.800 You know, there's no off switch with Trump, right, It's 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:44.840 always on, and so I think put your finger on it. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.200 It's constant motion. And really the point for Trump is 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.679 the attention, right, The publicity is the point. I always 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.600 chuckle when his dad said he's the most transparent president 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:55.000 in his story. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.760 Well, yeah, because the point is to the attention every day. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.480 And so what you want to be on TV every day? 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.280 That's going to lead you to go face the cameras 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.800 every day because he wants me the Stararu Show seven 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.640 days a week. Right, So yeah, he's always going to 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.439 do stuff that's going to make him center stage. It's 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.840 a one man act. And here we are, and so 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.320 but to me, chucks, I keep thinking about this too, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.960 which is at some point you have to think that 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.240 the tariffs are going to start pinching, right, at some point. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.319 They are now, I mean, you know there's these little anecdotes. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.319 I mean, I've had my own personal anecdotes. I buy 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.520 all my chicken a Trader Joe's. They don't offer it 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.320 in four packs. It's now three packs for the same 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.000 price for chicken thighs shrinkflation. It was at the DFW 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.320 airport earlier this week and I'm having ordering a couple 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.800 of eggs and the guy says, sorry, hey, the price changed. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.160 We charged six dollars an egg. Right now we have 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.880 a six dollars search charge on eggs. And he says, 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.800 My boss says, we lose money if we charge the 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.040 price that's on the menu. And you're sitting there going, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.360 you know, and this the fact is yet you're already 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.440 getting gouged in airport. So the gouge of the gouge 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.520 is there. And so I know, nobody's shocked when you're 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.040 guage at an airport. But these are these little things. You 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.600 see it all over the grocery store. Everything's gone up. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.040 Every streaming service has raised their price in the last 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.640 two power bills are higher. Everything is higher. I don't 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.160 know how he can. You know, that's something you can't 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.400 distract away from. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.760 Right right, But you know, Trump is. It's interesting for 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.880 all the damage he did to Biden non inflation, his 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.280 fascination with the word groceries being one of my favorite 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.360 examples of that. There's this new word called crux for 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.680 everybody's saying it's like an old fashioned word, groceries. Trump 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.520 cares more about the stock market than the price of goods. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.600 Right, because Steve Moore was my guest this week on 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.080 newspaper and he said, Steve Moore said, the only thing 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.880 that he will react that the cheap advisor is not 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.080 a person, it's the market. Yeah, I've said this a 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.760 thousand times. Trump is moved by two things and they're 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:05.360 inn connected. Press coverage and the markets. Those are those 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.840 are the institutional courses that chef Trump. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.440 It's not leave the alls, right, And he does care 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.160 about the markets. And so this is why he's so 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.520 consumed with getting Jay Powell to lower interest rates because 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.400 he knows that what will happen is what we saw 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.160 Friday when Pale hinted at his speech in Jackson Hole 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.320 that it's time to bring down rates. In September, Oh 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.680 my gosh, right, the market zooms, and so Trump is 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.040 just dying to bring down interest rates because he cares 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.440 entirely about moving the market north. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.360 Well, as Steve mar told me, you know why he 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.120 wants to bring that interest rates because he's a real 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.840 estate guy. I'm about it fascinating that a Trump defender, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.920 and Steve Moore is a Trump defender, is somebody that 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.640 can't ignore the reality, which is, well, he thinks of 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.120 everything like he does. It's real estate business, and how 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.120 do you refinance debt? You do it at a lower 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.240 interest rate. But I mean, I feel like you're right. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.480 The elephant in the room as we get closer to 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.000 twenty six is is the cost of good I just 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.480 think it's what was so devastating to Biden. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.920 I think it's still out there and for all of 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.840 the the sort of bread and circus, if you will, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.400 that Trump puts on every day. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:14.880 If people are. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.280 Paying more in the economy is non good shape, that's 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:18.920 going to be a problem. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:25.120 No, No, it's it seems that's something he can't he 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:31.760 can't totally erase away with this showmanship. But let's talk 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:33.680 about the John Bolden thing here a minute, because I 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.720 want to connect it to something else that also happened 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.680 this week, which is there's the Trump administration will use 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.800 the government to try to impact elections. I know you 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.720 pay attention a lot to Virginia regularly. Right, Look at 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.000 the Justice Department is suddenly deciding to target Fairfax County 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.520 in Arlington County schools, right, geez, what's going Is there 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.720 an election coming up in sixty to ninety days? Yeah, 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:05.439 and you and I see the John Bolton thing in 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.480 the fall of twenty six. If Democrats look like they're 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.119 poised to pick up Senate seats and win the House, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.600 I wouldn't want to be a nominee in a swing 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.800 state because I have a feeling I might have an 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:22.400 IRS investigation, a maybe an FBI investigation. You know, all 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.560 you have to do is announce something they may not like. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.240 I don't think John, but there's not gonna be a 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.080 grand jury with John Bolton. I bet you what we 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.240 saw Friday is that is the is the some of 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.200 the parts on that one, because there's probably no there there, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.280 and yet it was the you know, the point was 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.800 to create the headline. Right, And so no matter what 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.520 you google, John Bolton, FBI raid and that's all Donald 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:43.119 Trump wants. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.800 I could if I agree more, We're going to see 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.000 this in twenty six the Texas. The Texas redraw is 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:56.240 only the beginning and not the beginning of reapportionment play, 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:57.760 although it's certainly in the beginning of that. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.240 And then then that's going to be a master of 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.760 the next six days, eight months. It's the beginning of 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:08.320 Trump's campaign to avoid a third impeachment. He's consumed with 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.040 not being impeached for a third time. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.280 He will do whatever it takes to keep the House. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.399 That starts with, you're right, that starts with trying to 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.399 grab more seats through a mid decade redraw. But I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.160 think you're right. I think next summer in fall, if 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.600 there are districts where you got to go into and 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.159 you sort of, you know, damage an incumbent or damage 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:28.680 the challenger. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.840 Absolutely WHATEVERD and BO. Mortgage fraud, Hey, look, brgetraud. What 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.560 what are you talking about? Right? And then you have 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.679 to read the details. Oh, I don't think it's mortgage fraud. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.639 But the headline is the headline, right, like it's coming up. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.119 And what's to say? 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.120 What's to say that even after the election, if there's 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.120 a contested result, or California has taken a long time 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.200 like it sometimes can, what's to say that you wouldn't 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.000 just just tell Mike Johnson don't see those folks, you know. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:01.879 Right, don't adjournlection? Yeah, how about Donna darn if he 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.320 tries that, are sure don't start the new Congress. No, absolutely, 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:05.960 I mean. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:10.959 We live in an environment where all of this is 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.959 totally plausible. Not that we have to, you know, accept 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.720 that it's just so different from what you and I 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.439 car wants new and you think about a difficult mid 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.240 term for a Republican president. In two thousand and six, 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.320 there was somebody in suburban Philadelphia, the junkies listening, we'll 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.320 call it named Curt Weldon who was a longtime house 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.520 member I think Delaware County, and I think he had 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.040 his homeer's amice rated in two thousand and six and 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:45.240 by Bush's DOJ and lost his lost his his reelection. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.920 I meated this. Here's a question for you, Chuck, Will 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.800 Donald Trump's Department of Justice indict a single high profile 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:58.119 Trump supporter for any white collar crime the next three years? No, no, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.119 no chance, no chance. Look at this Maxwell for what 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.720 do we do it? You know, by the way, look 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.639 at this Maxwell thing. So yours to tell me that 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.560 Trump's personal lawyer who now has a as a Senate 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.240 confirmed Justice Department official after dangling a pardoner a commutation 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.439 interviews Maxwell. Maxwell goes, my favorite part of the transcript 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.760 is she says, hey, can I add something here. It's 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.879 almost like the lawyer said, hey, you haven't like sucked 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.920 up to Trump enough in your in your hand, yes, kitty, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.119 And so she adds this statement more clearing of Trump. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.840 And then the Justice Department releases the transcript as if 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.480 they're being transparent, right, like, pay no attention to the 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.200 actual supposed Epstein files that have been buried for years. Oh, 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.720 by the way, we're going to we're going to try 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.280 to get a judge to release grand jury testimony because 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.720 that's something that never happens. You know. They I admire 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.280 the attempt to look like they're trying when they it 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.600 was painfully obvious they didn't want to release anything that 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.800 they had, but they want to look like they're releasing 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.200 something to feed, uh, to feed their base. And they 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.560 just did it with the Max fire right, Yeah exactly, Yeah, No, 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:12.040 it's it's but it does show you how, you know, 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.440 he really has turned the FBI in the Justice Department. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.720 I mean, I don't think right now, I don't think 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:20.639 if an FBI official showed up at my house, I 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.200 wouldn't believe the charges obviously because I don't don't commit 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.560 any crimes. But it would be like, I just think 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.239 that the FBI is is, its reputation is, it's going 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.560 to take a long time to recover. Well cash Ptel 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:35.000