Speaker 1: And joining me now is the longtime friend, longtime colleague,
Speaker 1: and honestly, we're just having our conversation and we just
Speaker 1: decided to record it when we check in in politics.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin, the great j mart of political Are you
Speaker 1: doing brother? Hey, seq thanks for having me. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: getting you will time stamp this. It's Saturday morning. It
Speaker 1: is two hours before the launch of the greatest sports
Speaker 1: season of any given year, which is college football season.
Speaker 2: Week zero, which I am honoring this year because I
Speaker 2: have great friends who are Iowa State fans, and I'm
Speaker 2: happy for them that they're over in Dublin enjoying a
Speaker 2: pint or two as they see the Clones take the
Speaker 2: case stay of Wildcats. And because the Farm Bowl the
Speaker 2: Farm Games, calling at Farmageddon.
Speaker 1: But you know, Iowa Nebraska would like their nickname back
Speaker 1: when they started Farmageddon when Nebraska joined the Big Ten,
Speaker 1: which I thought was a brilliant a brilliant way to
Speaker 1: name a rivalry that never really existed before Nebraska. I
Speaker 1: got into the Big Ten, Iowa Nebraska never played and
Speaker 1: then it was like it was always Iowa State in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Because I was ill Big Eight, I got familiar ties
Speaker 1: to Iowa State. My grandparents both graduated from Iowa State.
Speaker 1: My big beef with Iowa State are those school colors. Men,
Speaker 1: they only go together when you're at an Iowa State dame.
Speaker 2: I've done some cool turings to their uniform and recent
Speaker 2: years age, you know, I don't want to get too
Speaker 2: deep in the socio socioeconomic culture of Iowa and Kansas,
Speaker 2: but as you know, from having roots in Iowa, Iowa
Speaker 2: stayed in case state. Are the aggie schools in Kansas, right,
Speaker 2: and you know k U and Iowa the liberal arts
Speaker 2: English majors and the budding lawyers. You know, the farmers
Speaker 2: and the engineers are going to Ames in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: And you know my grandfather was a mechanical engineer, so
Speaker 1: you're gosh going right. He would say that, and he
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, you know Iowa, you know he would.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny though about islands. As much as
Speaker 1: there's an Iowa State Iowa rivalry outside the state, you know,
Speaker 1: all islands root for both schools when they're playing anybody
Speaker 1: outside the state. Yes, like there is this weird like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't pick only we get to pick on each other
Speaker 1: and each other like some of the no it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, the way I feel about the gators and
Speaker 1: things o the islands. Good people, you know, exactly, and
Speaker 1: they deserve first in the Nation status. And if they
Speaker 1: don't get it, my second choice is actually Kansas, if
Speaker 1: I if you know, it's actually not a bad place
Speaker 1: for you. Andied riff a bit, which is the Democrats
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out where to go first in
Speaker 1: the nation and the three states that they're supposedly contemplating.
Speaker 1: To me, I look at what they're doing and it
Speaker 1: looks like a party in retreat. They're afraid to go
Speaker 1: anywhere that's remotely leans red. So you're you're reporting that
Speaker 1: it's going to be New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what my view on this is, Iowa New
Speaker 2: Hampshire believed they have this like divine right to the
Speaker 2: first in the Nation primary, which of course drives the
Speaker 2: other state's crazy chuck. But here's why New Hampshire is different.
Speaker 2: It's a state of law. It's not a part of
Speaker 2: an issue. It's run by the State of New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: not the two parties. They're gonna have it in January
Speaker 2: or February or wherever. And if they are a leap frogged. Well,
Speaker 2: we know what happened in two thousand and eight. We
Speaker 2: spend New Year's even des molining because the states will
Speaker 2: just move up their primaries to avoid the leap frog
Speaker 2: and chuck more to a point, Joe Biden did, obviously,
Speaker 2: graham damage to his party on a lot of levels.
Speaker 1: One of the things that's largely.
Speaker 2: Forgotten that he did was he rearranged the primary calendar
Speaker 2: to ensure his renomination with little challenge, and he threatened
Speaker 2: to take away New Hampshire's delegates if they still went first. Well,
Speaker 2: of course they still went first, and guess what happened
Speaker 2: at the convention last summer in Chicago. Surprise, surprise, Hampshire's
Speaker 2: delegates were restored. So they fired the one bullet they had,
Speaker 2: which is we'll take away your delegates, because no, you won't.
Speaker 1: You'll give them back up the convention. But here's the problem.
Speaker 1: The DNC does not look at this as a way
Speaker 1: to build their party. And what the DNC needs is
Speaker 1: to expand. This is not a party that's a national
Speaker 1: party at the moment, right they're basically they cannot compete
Speaker 1: in about twenty states, and that is not a functioning
Speaker 1: political party if they go down this road of doctor
Speaker 1: peting they need. The beauty of what Iowa did is
Speaker 1: Iowa essentially because it was first in the nation, the
Speaker 1: voters became swing voters. Right. This is one of those
Speaker 1: cases where if you looked at Iowa through one the
Speaker 1: prism of demographics, the way you look at any other state,
Speaker 1: it never made sense that it was a swing state
Speaker 1: for as long as it was. Arguably the reason it
Speaker 1: was is because it got this outsized attention. Iowan's liked it,
Speaker 1: and I think Frankly took It's a reminder to me
Speaker 1: about this before. But I believe you can manufacture a
Speaker 1: swing state if you treat the voters like swing voters,
Speaker 1: they will you. The voters will respond in ducon I
Speaker 1: mean it is. And that is what I think is
Speaker 1: the lesson of Frankly. Both Iowa New Hampshire states that
Speaker 1: on paper aren't necessarily purple states the way a Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: the way the actual battleground states look. They look different.
Speaker 1: But it's because of all this early action and the
Speaker 1: early exposure. The voters, Frankly do wait and they do
Speaker 1: kind of want to be persuaded. So and the Democratic parties.
Speaker 1: Problems in rural America don't get solved by being in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Okay, rural New Hampshire is not rural Iowa
Speaker 1: or rural Nebraskar world. Lessing about it, right, it's more
Speaker 1: ll being than this car heard. Oh there's some car
Speaker 1: here in the and by the way, and that's not right.
Speaker 1: There's certainly some right. Look, you spend a lot of time,
Speaker 1: and I know the main.
Speaker 2: Second disc aren't spending their time. I'm merlin right there
Speaker 2: their enfortments that are.
Speaker 1: You know, keen not. I mean during the caucusses, there's
Speaker 1: almost a premium put on the candidates that do the
Speaker 1: ninety nine counties, right, they like brag about it. It's
Speaker 1: sort of a part of the it's part of the DNA.
Speaker 1: So it's a I find, you know, but my gosh,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jonathan, can you remember a time when that
Speaker 1: the the functioning leaders of the Democratic Party were this week?
Speaker 2: And no, I mean the two congressional leaders have profoile challenges.
Speaker 1: The governors obviously have talent. They're the strength the.
Speaker 2: Governor the the parties for we have five podcasts onto this,
Speaker 2: but the parties themselves are so weak now that it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the chairman is. The party itself just
Speaker 2: doesn't have the cloud that it once did because they
Speaker 2: don't have the tools.
Speaker 1: They once had.
Speaker 2: And for all the reasons we know, a small dollar
Speaker 2: giving social media, you know, uh agmented traditional media has.
Speaker 1: Made it so those folks just don't have the will
Speaker 1: have the change. But the one thing they do control
Speaker 1: is the calendar. And so here we have because you know,
Speaker 1: I will say, Jock, I think Iowa is not coming back,
Speaker 1: even if Rob sand wins the governorship. I do. I
Speaker 1: think if he wins the governorship, I think the calendar
Speaker 1: is set by November twenty second. He was too late.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, by the way, speaking of the DNC,
Speaker 1: are they about to have a mess on their hands
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They're going to bring the entire DNC to
Speaker 1: Minnesota and have this fight with the socialists.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know, when it rains in Forest man, right,
Speaker 2: you're about to have hit the DNC meeting, and yeah,
Speaker 2: why not expose one of the biggest visures in the party.
Speaker 1: And I know it's just just a filthy and if
Speaker 1: you haven't paid attention to Minneapolis mayor's race, suddenly that
Speaker 1: the state party up there is pulling an endorsement of
Speaker 1: the challenger who won the state Minnesota DFL politics, you
Speaker 1: can win a party endorsement at a convention without the
Speaker 1: voters and all this, and so a Socialist at DSA
Speaker 1: candidate that Democratic Socialists won the nomination, he sort of
Speaker 1: gained the system. Which is a reminder that just like
Speaker 1: the RNC was infiltrated by Ron Paul acolytes who became
Speaker 1: mega people and took over the mechanics of these state parties,
Speaker 1: the DSA is doing the same thing in a lot
Speaker 1: of states, aren't they, Jonathan, Yes, No, no, absolutely, most
Speaker 1: prominently in New York, where they're about to like to mayor,
Speaker 1: the biggest city in the country. But yeah, yeah, no, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there's lots you can do with the weekend party
Speaker 2: to basically go into it and sort of take it over, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Chuck, is a story.
Speaker 2: Is a story that obviously the up has been living
Speaker 2: through for the last ten years. Trump beckwor took over
Speaker 2: that party, and part of the reason why he did
Speaker 2: was because they were so concerned in twenty fifteen that
Speaker 2: he would take his ball and go home, and so
Speaker 2: they they couldn't keep him out and so instead they
Speaker 2: brought him in and he turns out he took over
Speaker 2: the party. I keep thinking about, by the way, the
Speaker 2: what if if Trump, if Ryan's previous and other sort
Speaker 2: of party fathers had had really come down hard on
Speaker 2: him in twenty fifteen, I think Trump would have been
Speaker 2: tempted to create what we're seeing today in the UK.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that Trump would have had the
Speaker 1: attention span to do it. That's what I think. I
Speaker 1: don't think he would have had the follow through. But
Speaker 1: Nigel Faraj has effectively marginalized one of Britain's two great
Speaker 1: traditional parties, the Tories, by creating his own reform party,
Speaker 1: and which can I do? Like, I would have more
Speaker 1: faith than Nigel Farage to have the attention span to
Speaker 1: focus versus Trump that Stan does.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, you know, he's proven that, but
Speaker 2: Brexit on board. So but yeah, no, I mean, the
Speaker 2: common threat is either side of the Atlantic, the traditional
Speaker 2: parties are just are just a shadow of what they were.
Speaker 1: So my sort of opener today for this before before
Speaker 1: people listen to you, is about sort of this weird
Speaker 1: August we've been through, and I think sometimes and I
Speaker 1: know you will appreciate this right August for any other entity,
Speaker 1: at any other time in our politics. For my thirty
Speaker 1: five years in Washington, August has been this sort of
Speaker 1: time to reset. If you had a major thing you
Speaker 1: wanted to do, you didn't want to do it in August,
Speaker 1: you waited until September, or you hurried up and did
Speaker 1: it in July. That's not how Trump rolls, right. Trump
Speaker 1: just wants you know, as I say, I call it motion,
Speaker 1: even if there's no movement, right, He's always rocking the boat,
Speaker 1: even if it's anchored to the ground. Totally, this has
Speaker 1: been quite I mean, think about the list of stuff
Speaker 1: that's happened versus what how much of it matters? Right,
Speaker 1: We've had the We've had two summits involving Russia and
Speaker 1: Ukraine that appear to have done nothing. We've had We've
Speaker 1: we just had. Now let's we can work backwards. The
Speaker 1: FBI raiding John Bolton's house to be weaponisizing of the FBI.
Speaker 1: We've got suddenly the government is Donald trump version of
Speaker 1: socialism with intel ten percent that the federal takeover of Washington,
Speaker 1: DC manufactured. Interview with Gallainne Maxwell that they released make
Speaker 1: it look like they've released something. I mean, it's actually
Speaker 1: been amazing the stuff he's sort of thrown up there.
Speaker 1: But in all this sort of noise and nonsense, we
Speaker 1: still have an economy that's that's in really tough shape,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if Trump can distract his way
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the most famous examples of what you're alluding to,
Speaker 2: which is a sort of a fascination of mine has
Speaker 2: been for a long time, which is this idea that
Speaker 2: nothing happens at August was Andy Carr famously gave a
Speaker 2: quote to The New York Times Elizabeth B.
Speaker 1: Miller in twenty twenty two saying, you don't roll out
Speaker 1: any twenty oh too long. Yeah, yeah, until after labor
Speaker 1: talking about the Iraq War by right, right, it was
Speaker 1: the Iraq War.
Speaker 2: Right, You don't roll down puff delay with it at
Speaker 2: any event. Infamy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's old cliche in Washington, nothing happens in August.
Speaker 1: I actually have written something about this years ago that
Speaker 1: it's not true of that ton of historic events have
Speaker 1: taken away small August. But no, no, Trump doesn't do vacing.
Speaker 2: He plays a lot of golf, obviously, and takes in
Speaker 2: a lot of TV.
Speaker 1: But he's not a vacation guy. He's not going to
Speaker 1: deal with his wife and kids. Doesn't sit down. Hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we play monopoly like my kids love when
Speaker 1: we're when we're not at home. That's the one time
Speaker 1: dad will play board games right now, but I will.
Speaker 2: You know, there's no off switch with Trump, right, It's
Speaker 2: always on, and so I think put your finger on it.
Speaker 2: It's constant motion. And really the point for Trump is
Speaker 2: the attention, right, The publicity is the point. I always
Speaker 2: chuckle when his dad said he's the most transparent president
Speaker 2: in his story.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because the point is to the attention every day.
Speaker 1: And so what you want to be on TV every day?
Speaker 2: That's going to lead you to go face the cameras
Speaker 2: every day because he wants me the Stararu Show seven
Speaker 2: days a week. Right, So yeah, he's always going to
Speaker 2: do stuff that's going to make him center stage. It's
Speaker 2: a one man act. And here we are, and so
Speaker 2: but to me, chucks, I keep thinking about this too,
Speaker 2: which is at some point you have to think that
Speaker 2: the tariffs are going to start pinching, right, at some point.
Speaker 1: They are now, I mean, you know there's these little anecdotes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had my own personal anecdotes. I buy
Speaker 1: all my chicken a Trader Joe's. They don't offer it
Speaker 1: in four packs. It's now three packs for the same
Speaker 1: price for chicken thighs shrinkflation. It was at the DFW
Speaker 1: airport earlier this week and I'm having ordering a couple
Speaker 1: of eggs and the guy says, sorry, hey, the price changed.
Speaker 1: We charged six dollars an egg. Right now we have
Speaker 1: a six dollars search charge on eggs. And he says,
Speaker 1: My boss says, we lose money if we charge the
Speaker 1: price that's on the menu. And you're sitting there going,
Speaker 1: you know, and this the fact is yet you're already
Speaker 1: getting gouged in airport. So the gouge of the gouge
Speaker 1: is there. And so I know, nobody's shocked when you're
Speaker 1: guage at an airport. But these are these little things. You
Speaker 1: see it all over the grocery store. Everything's gone up.
Speaker 1: Every streaming service has raised their price in the last
Speaker 1: two power bills are higher. Everything is higher. I don't
Speaker 1: know how he can. You know, that's something you can't
Speaker 1: distract away from.
Speaker 2: Right right, But you know, Trump is. It's interesting for
Speaker 2: all the damage he did to Biden non inflation, his
Speaker 2: fascination with the word groceries being one of my favorite
Speaker 2: examples of that. There's this new word called crux for
Speaker 2: everybody's saying it's like an old fashioned word, groceries. Trump
Speaker 2: cares more about the stock market than the price of goods.
Speaker 1: Right, because Steve Moore was my guest this week on
Speaker 1: newspaper and he said, Steve Moore said, the only thing
Speaker 1: that he will react that the cheap advisor is not
Speaker 1: a person, it's the market. Yeah, I've said this a
Speaker 1: thousand times. Trump is moved by two things and they're
Speaker 1: inn connected. Press coverage and the markets. Those are those
Speaker 1: are the institutional courses that chef Trump.
Speaker 2: It's not leave the alls, right, And he does care
Speaker 2: about the markets. And so this is why he's so
Speaker 2: consumed with getting Jay Powell to lower interest rates because
Speaker 2: he knows that what will happen is what we saw
Speaker 2: Friday when Pale hinted at his speech in Jackson Hole
Speaker 2: that it's time to bring down rates. In September, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, right, the market zooms, and so Trump is
Speaker 2: just dying to bring down interest rates because he cares
Speaker 2: entirely about moving the market north.
Speaker 1: Well, as Steve mar told me, you know why he
Speaker 1: wants to bring that interest rates because he's a real
Speaker 1: estate guy. I'm about it fascinating that a Trump defender,
Speaker 1: and Steve Moore is a Trump defender, is somebody that
Speaker 1: can't ignore the reality, which is, well, he thinks of
Speaker 1: everything like he does. It's real estate business, and how
Speaker 1: do you refinance debt? You do it at a lower
Speaker 1: interest rate. But I mean, I feel like you're right.
Speaker 1: The elephant in the room as we get closer to
Speaker 1: twenty six is is the cost of good I just
Speaker 1: think it's what was so devastating to Biden.
Speaker 2: I think it's still out there and for all of
Speaker 2: the the sort of bread and circus, if you will,
Speaker 2: that Trump puts on every day.
Speaker 1: If people are.
Speaker 2: Paying more in the economy is non good shape, that's
Speaker 2: going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's it seems that's something he can't he
Speaker 1: can't totally erase away with this showmanship. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about the John Bolden thing here a minute, because I
Speaker 1: want to connect it to something else that also happened
Speaker 1: this week, which is there's the Trump administration will use
Speaker 1: the government to try to impact elections. I know you
Speaker 1: pay attention a lot to Virginia regularly. Right, Look at
Speaker 1: the Justice Department is suddenly deciding to target Fairfax County
Speaker 1: in Arlington County schools, right, geez, what's going Is there
Speaker 1: an election coming up in sixty to ninety days? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you and I see the John Bolton thing in
Speaker 1: the fall of twenty six. If Democrats look like they're
Speaker 1: poised to pick up Senate seats and win the House,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be a nominee in a swing
Speaker 1: state because I have a feeling I might have an
Speaker 1: IRS investigation, a maybe an FBI investigation. You know, all
Speaker 1: you have to do is announce something they may not like.
Speaker 1: I don't think John, but there's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: grand jury with John Bolton. I bet you what we
Speaker 1: saw Friday is that is the is the some of
Speaker 1: the parts on that one, because there's probably no there there,
Speaker 1: and yet it was the you know, the point was
Speaker 1: to create the headline. Right, And so no matter what
Speaker 1: you google, John Bolton, FBI raid and that's all Donald
Speaker 1: Trump wants.
Speaker 2: I could if I agree more, We're going to see
Speaker 2: this in twenty six the Texas. The Texas redraw is
Speaker 2: only the beginning and not the beginning of reapportionment play,
Speaker 2: although it's certainly in the beginning of that.
Speaker 1: And then then that's going to be a master of
Speaker 1: the next six days, eight months. It's the beginning of
Speaker 1: Trump's campaign to avoid a third impeachment. He's consumed with
Speaker 1: not being impeached for a third time.
Speaker 2: He will do whatever it takes to keep the House.
Speaker 2: That starts with, you're right, that starts with trying to
Speaker 2: grab more seats through a mid decade redraw. But I
Speaker 2: think you're right. I think next summer in fall, if
Speaker 2: there are districts where you got to go into and
Speaker 2: you sort of, you know, damage an incumbent or damage
Speaker 2: the challenger.
Speaker 1: Absolutely WHATEVERD and BO. Mortgage fraud, Hey, look, brgetraud. What
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Right? And then you have
Speaker 1: to read the details. Oh, I don't think it's mortgage fraud.
Speaker 1: But the headline is the headline, right, like it's coming up.
Speaker 1: And what's to say?
Speaker 2: What's to say that even after the election, if there's
Speaker 2: a contested result, or California has taken a long time
Speaker 2: like it sometimes can, what's to say that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: just just tell Mike Johnson don't see those folks, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, don't adjournlection? Yeah, how about Donna darn if he
Speaker 1: tries that, are sure don't start the new Congress. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: We live in an environment where all of this is
Speaker 2: totally plausible. Not that we have to, you know, accept
Speaker 2: that it's just so different from what you and I
Speaker 2: car wants new and you think about a difficult mid
Speaker 2: term for a Republican president. In two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: there was somebody in suburban Philadelphia, the junkies listening, we'll
Speaker 2: call it named Curt Weldon who was a longtime house
Speaker 2: member I think Delaware County, and I think he had
Speaker 2: his homeer's amice rated in two thousand and six and
Speaker 2: by Bush's DOJ and lost his lost his his reelection.
Speaker 1: I meated this. Here's a question for you, Chuck, Will
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's Department of Justice indict a single high profile
Speaker 1: Trump supporter for any white collar crime the next three years? No, no,
Speaker 1: no chance, no chance. Look at this Maxwell for what
Speaker 1: do we do it? You know, by the way, look
Speaker 1: at this Maxwell thing. So yours to tell me that
Speaker 1: Trump's personal lawyer who now has a as a Senate
Speaker 1: confirmed Justice Department official after dangling a pardoner a commutation
Speaker 1: interviews Maxwell. Maxwell goes, my favorite part of the transcript
Speaker 1: is she says, hey, can I add something here. It's
Speaker 1: almost like the lawyer said, hey, you haven't like sucked
Speaker 1: up to Trump enough in your in your hand, yes, kitty,
Speaker 1: And so she adds this statement more clearing of Trump.
Speaker 1: And then the Justice Department releases the transcript as if
Speaker 1: they're being transparent, right, like, pay no attention to the
Speaker 1: actual supposed Epstein files that have been buried for years. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we're going to we're going to try
Speaker 1: to get a judge to release grand jury testimony because
Speaker 1: that's something that never happens. You know. They I admire
Speaker 1: the attempt to look like they're trying when they it
Speaker 1: was painfully obvious they didn't want to release anything that
Speaker 1: they had, but they want to look like they're releasing
Speaker 1: something to feed, uh, to feed their base. And they
Speaker 1: just did it with the Max fire right, Yeah exactly, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's but it does show you how, you know,
Speaker 1: he really has turned the FBI in the Justice Department.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think right now, I don't think
Speaker 1: if an FBI official showed up at my house, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe the charges obviously because I don't don't commit
Speaker 1: any crimes. But it would be like, I just think
Speaker 1: that the FBI is is, its reputation is, it's going
Speaker 1: to take a long time to recover. Well cash Ptel
Speaker 1: said before they raided Bolt and the sort of you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he's chasing online cloud even though he runs
Speaker 1: to the FBI. No one's above the law. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: well that's the Cordash. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'll be waiting with baited breath for again a
Speaker 2: single high profile Trump supporter who will be indicted for
Speaker 2: white color crime the next three years. Here, I'm I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: Now, you'll be if you hold your breath, you'll die because.
Speaker 2: If you were, if you really a member of Congress
Speaker 2: or a sounder for Trump, you take a bag of
Speaker 2: cash and you know you can get away with anything.
Speaker 1: At this point, let's talk about the redistricting reaction of
Speaker 1: the Democrats. I watched Obama indorset right that they put
Speaker 1: out that statement that's basically trying to convince good government
Speaker 1: Democrats that disenfranchising voters in California is okay, as long
Speaker 1: as it's done temporarily and with another goal in mind.
Speaker 1: I just I just cannot sit here. I find it. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe by the way, the whole that's
Speaker 1: you know what that sounded like to me? Remember that
Speaker 1: flight ninety three essay essay, which is, look, there's an
Speaker 1: existential threat stopping Hillary Clinton, no matter how corrupt Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is, no matter how flawed of a characters you
Speaker 1: have to How is that any different than Barack Obama's
Speaker 1: argument about supporting undemocratic this undemocratic redistricting. I understand the frustration. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, and I will say this, At least
Speaker 1: Californians get to vote on this, all right, they get
Speaker 1: to decide whether they wanted to do this or not. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what a colossal waste of money, I think. And
Speaker 1: you're going to alienate an ally and Arnold Schwartzeneker tiboot which.
Speaker 2: I And this is what drives so many NASA were
Speaker 2: foremanded Democrats crazy, including the congressman named Brendan Boyle in Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: who is this gun's a blazon on this stuff? He says,
Speaker 2: you know, we we do all this Google reform stuff
Speaker 2: to create these conditions to do fedal longs or whatever,
Speaker 2: but we get no credit for it. And also it
Speaker 2: doesn't help us politically, and like there's no chance in
Speaker 2: hell of it, like red state governors within a million
Speaker 2: years do something like this. But Obama is wedded to
Speaker 2: as big as Eric hores ag you know, part of
Speaker 2: this national reapportionment project, and you know they want to
Speaker 2: do a fair lines ostensibly. Well no, actually a lot
Speaker 2: of your Democratic the others don't want to do a
Speaker 2: fair lines.
Speaker 1: They want to use this for what it's always been done.
Speaker 2: It's just a graph board seat because guess while the
Speaker 2: other guys are doing the same. And if you're not,
Speaker 2: then you're not fighting an you know, a fair fight here.
Speaker 2: But I think the Democrats Albadama is engaged at all
Speaker 2: in this. Why is he weighing in on the stuff.
Speaker 1: There's lives think they were trying to get because they're
Speaker 1: desperate for donors. I think there's some donors that don't
Speaker 1: are I'm not sure whether they should go all in
Speaker 1: on this, and I think they needed Obama sigives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm okay with this, but I have to
Speaker 1: tell you. I think the reason the Democratic Party has
Speaker 1: had a messaging problem for a decade, but they've been
Speaker 1: very competitive. And I think they've been competitive for one reason.
Speaker 1: Voters believe that Democrats were the adult in the room.
Speaker 1: The minute the Democrats give up adult in the room status,
Speaker 1: I think they alienate sie of voters That cost them
Speaker 1: more than I know they feel. This makes you feel good,
Speaker 1: This makes the base feel, hey, you're fighting. You know. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's great, Gavin Newsom, all caps is awesome. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're winning over a swing voter with this.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, I just think that that ship sailed
Speaker 1: after Biden because the whole premise of Biden Chuck was
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like this America. But Biden
Speaker 1: didn't govern that way. Biden governed as a left winger
Speaker 1: for the first two years when Ron Klain basically opened
Speaker 1: the door to every progressive idea in America, and it
Speaker 1: didn't get shut. It didn't get shut until Jeff Zion
Speaker 1: showed up. But it was too late. I mean, I disagree,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. The perception is Biden was
Speaker 1: a failure because they tried to moderate and it failed. No,
Speaker 1: it was a failure because he tried to govern as
Speaker 1: a left winger and it was a failure.
Speaker 2: Do wonder what history looks like if Biden comes in
Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty one with Mitch McConnell as
Speaker 2: the Senate majority leader, because they only win one of
Speaker 2: those two seats in Georgia, right, I mean history turns
Speaker 2: on small things.
Speaker 1: It was specials in Georgia. And in the words of
Speaker 1: Abigail Spanburger, nobody elected FDR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a really good reporter. She gave
Speaker 2: that quote to Whatever happened to that guy? He used
Speaker 2: to wear it for the New York Times.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know that was me. By the way, A
Speaker 1: fun fact about that that quote. That's the day after.
Speaker 2: Mccalliff loses the gov race in twenty twenty one, when
Speaker 2: Biden's numbers are really going south after Afghanistan, and Spanberger
Speaker 2: is speaking for the frustrations of a lot of moderate Democrats,
Speaker 2: which is, we did not elect you to be FDR. Right,
Speaker 2: we'velected you to get shipped done and bring the country together.
Speaker 2: So flash forward a year from that conversation. Spanberger's own
Speaker 2: re election.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Is call pretty early in the night and Biden calls her.
Speaker 2: He's calling everybody who won the say congratulations, and she
Speaker 2: picks up the phone and said, this is Franklin.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good line, it is. But it's aware
Speaker 1: a year later about that, I mean, by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean, is it that such a reminder? Presidents here,
Speaker 1: every criticism, every criticism, right, Trump here, every criticism. Biden heard,
Speaker 1: every criticism. Trust me, I've leveled some and I have heard.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, I'm a little scared of driving through
Speaker 1: the state of Delaware lately. Stay a mon, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have to stay away if I'm not going to any
Speaker 1: art exhibits on that front.
Speaker 2: But so what do we think here, Chuck, this is
Speaker 2: going to be such a legal I don't think people
Speaker 2: realize just how.
Speaker 1: Many states are going to jump in the court funding
Speaker 1: suits courts. And here's what is it going to do
Speaker 1: to action appetune candidates. You're going to have people like
Speaker 1: I don't know what lines I'm running in. We may
Speaker 1: not know the lines until a certain date. And this
Speaker 1: is just its madness, right, and we saw that Trump
Speaker 1: is you know, this is a what's funny we talked
Speaker 1: about how weak the parties are. But Trump has created
Speaker 1: a strong Trump Party. Right. It's not a Republican party,
Speaker 1: it's a Trump party. Right. And this is what a
Speaker 1: party machine looks like. Right. If people wanted to know
Speaker 1: what a Tammany hall? What was that one? Right? This
Speaker 1: is it where he just says, no, you're doing this.
Speaker 1: It's all personality, right, yeah, right, very personally Hue we long, right,
Speaker 1: very personality driven. Well, it's all personality driven. It's not
Speaker 1: based on the part no movements. Right, this isn't about
Speaker 1: a larger idea, trust me, what what what is the
Speaker 1: you know there is no larger idea anymore? Right, this
Speaker 1: isn't about limiting government. My god. We imagine what would
Speaker 1: the right be saying if Joe Biden took a ten
Speaker 1: percent stake in Intel, or or told the video, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fun if you want to self chip to we
Speaker 1: need to kick back. Yeah, but you got to give
Speaker 1: me a taste. I think, as they say in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: give me a toy taste. Give you a little taste, baby.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so alarming. Uh.
Speaker 2: By the way, Mike Murphy has has this great project
Speaker 2: to which he wants to get every city's reference to.
Speaker 1: A bribery.
Speaker 2: So like in Philadelphia they said, give me a taste. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's Chicago Base you got dusted off. My favorite, though,
Speaker 2: Chuck is getting your peak wet.
Speaker 1: I've heard wet yet. I gotta give my beak wet here,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that was originally about something
Speaker 1: else in life, you know, for a young mobster needed
Speaker 1: to get his beak wet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida especially, Yeah, yeah, but in uh right, so
Speaker 2: so so here we are the year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Uncle Seam is getting his beak wet with with ten
Speaker 2: percent of Intel fifty percent of every chip sold at
Speaker 2: to China.
Speaker 1: By the video, he's not a conservative prime it's a
Speaker 1: Trump project.
Speaker 2: But you're right, it does have the the the sort
Speaker 2: of impact of being a hell of a machine. He saints,
Speaker 2: all these campaigns you run for this, you do all
Speaker 2: run for that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he he basically has decided the Florida
Speaker 1: governor's race, at least in the primary and probably for
Speaker 1: the general. He just decided Ron de Santis doesn't get
Speaker 1: depict this person. I do, so, Yeah, I'm gonna mediums,
Speaker 1: Fyron Donalds. You know, South Carolina and a Republican primary
Speaker 1: are not great. All that matters those that Trump is
Speaker 1: still for Lindsay.
Speaker 2: As long as Lindsay has that he gets renominated, wins
Speaker 2: six more years. So, like I joke, like Lindsay could
Speaker 2: keep doing his codels all over the world and spend
Speaker 2: half of this time shuttling between you know, Tel aviv
Speaker 2: Aman and like you know, back to Paris, Brussels in
Speaker 2: London and never set foot in like Ain or South
Speaker 2: Carolina or do the oakra straught or like you know,
Speaker 2: go to Charleston, Columbia, whatever.
Speaker 1: Because as long as Trump is four, I'm don't have
Speaker 1: to break right, I mean, are the only two responsible
Speaker 1: people in the Trump White House right now? Rubio invescent
Speaker 1: because I think about it, if it wasn't for Rubio,
Speaker 1: Ukraine would already be under the bus, and if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for Bessant, the economy would already be you know,
Speaker 1: we'd already be in the crapper.
Speaker 2: But we can't overemphasize how much there's this credo of
Speaker 2: in scott we trust, whether it's on Capitol Hill or
Speaker 2: the financial markets. I mean, the reliance on Besson to
Speaker 2: keep a lid on Trump is incredible, right, amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And in some ways all the threats against Powell are
Speaker 2: kind of ignored at this point because they don't think
Speaker 2: Trump will actually act on it. It's kind of the
Speaker 2: ultimate taco trade. He's never going to actually threaten, how
Speaker 2: beyond just renting. But boy, the second beston is gone.
Speaker 2: You can see the nervousness, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because if it's if you end up with
Speaker 1: somebody more like Lutnik, who really is sort of I
Speaker 1: had somebody describe it to me on the news for
Speaker 1: show earlier this week and said, there are times when
Speaker 1: Besson's in the room and lawmakers will say, boy, I'm glad,
Speaker 1: or when LEUTNX in the room, I'm glad Lutnik was
Speaker 1: in the room. And literally the next day they'll be
Speaker 1: why was Lutnik in the room. He sort of ruined everything, right,
Speaker 1: because it's it's sort of Lutnik just reads Trump and
Speaker 1: whatever he thinks Trump's wants to hear, and he'll blow
Speaker 1: up a meeting versus Besson, who knows what the endgame
Speaker 1: is and tries to figure out how to get Trump there.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it'll be like, all right, let's let's end
Speaker 1: the meeting. We're not going to get him there today, right,
Speaker 1: Like Besson knows how to know, still wants to get
Speaker 1: the end game.
Speaker 2: Lutnik just wants to suck up to Trump. Well, I
Speaker 2: mean famously they the week of Liberation Day, Besson rushes
Speaker 2: over from Treasury to the White House when they know
Speaker 2: that Navarro is not around, and got to Trump. It's said,
Speaker 2: are you seeing the bond markets? Man like, yep, we
Speaker 2: can't do this, and you know Trump Trump responds, you know.
Speaker 1: So I want to pivot a little bit to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five and these elections. If I were to spend
Speaker 1: time in one place, I would probably stay in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: That I feel like as New Jersey goes, so goes
Speaker 1: the perception of sort of the direction of both parties
Speaker 1: a little bit that New Jersey will tell me, you know,
Speaker 1: how much how much progress did Trump make in sort
Speaker 1: of in the suburbs in twenty twenty four and did
Speaker 1: it stick? Right? Is Mom Donnie a problem with suburban
Speaker 1: voters in northern New Jersey? And is that something that's
Speaker 1: going to be exploitable in twenty six? The point is
Speaker 1: that I feel like New Jersey governor might be the
Speaker 1: most interesting, you know, Mom, Donnie's you know, I think
Speaker 1: we know the results going to be, we just don't
Speaker 1: know the margin. I think we have the same feeling
Speaker 1: about Virginia. Obviously, the California referendum becomes a different type
Speaker 1: of election night, and it's California, which means it's going
Speaker 1: to take three weeks to find out what the actual
Speaker 1: result is. But that New Jersey will sort of tell
Speaker 1: to me, tell us more. It's also hard for.
Speaker 2: A political party to keep the governor's mansion for a
Speaker 2: third straight term one hundred percent. Governor Murphy's numbers are
Speaker 2: not great right now. Broadly speaking, in Jersey voters you're
Speaker 2: always cranky because taxes are so Jersey. They are inherently
Speaker 2: some of the crankiest voters in the country, right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: all that's challenging. Plus something ow I think Jersey has
Speaker 2: just gotten Trump here, right, and I just think a
Speaker 2: lot of the voters, especially in South Jersey, you know,
Speaker 2: parts of coastal Jersey. I think they call it the
Speaker 2: Jersey Shore. I believe Chuck so I hear. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just a Trump of your place, you know, like his
Speaker 2: style his affact.
Speaker 1: That's fine with a lot of Jerseys. So yeah, I look.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Democrats nominated you know, minkey Cheryl.
Speaker 2: You could drop her in Minnesota, Arizona, Washington State.
Speaker 1: Right, she bungled mom, Donnie, though she bungled the answer, right,
Speaker 1: The easy answer is, I don't the New Yorkers want
Speaker 1: New Jersey people to tell you who to vote for,
Speaker 1: and New Jersey and certainly don't want New Yorkers to
Speaker 1: tell them who to vote for. But instead she first
Speaker 1: said she she got the first time she was asked.
Speaker 1: She was asked on NSBC, so she felt like she
Speaker 1: had to say nice things my mom, Donnie. Now they
Speaker 1: claim they've not endorsed. But of course, you know, she
Speaker 1: she got caught in the worst possible situation. She kind
Speaker 1: of supported then wants to back off, so now it
Speaker 1: looks like she's scared. So she's pissed off the base
Speaker 1: and she's pissed off the metal. I mean, just a
Speaker 1: total miss. That was just a rankly as a friend
Speaker 1: of mine said, you know, you guys love to use
Speaker 1: this phrase political athlete. That was in a very athletic
Speaker 1: move by her, And I'm like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: I had one more thing on New Jersey too, which
Speaker 2: is that Trump is much more sympathetic Jack Chitdarelli.
Speaker 1: But he has went some seers forced all economy for
Speaker 1: governor who came around, became a Trumper ran.
Speaker 2: A pretty competitive reach. I think it was like three
Speaker 2: change points against Murphy four years ago. Correct, it was
Speaker 2: the pole's miss hit.
Speaker 1: By the way, New Jersey polling always is very, very
Speaker 1: erratic for what it's worth.
Speaker 2: So I say all that, dude, I kind of wonder
Speaker 2: will Trump not not only you know, it really helped
Speaker 2: chet A rally behind the scenes, but also can Trump
Speaker 2: get more money to Chedter out right?
Speaker 1: I look, I will tell you this. My spies on
Speaker 1: the ground tell me Chittarelli is working harder. He's really
Speaker 1: that there is he's learned some Look, running before and
Speaker 1: narrowly losing and not losing your mind is actually a
Speaker 1: pretty good recipe in governors. There's quite a few governors
Speaker 1: who lost the first time they ran. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: not that you know, especially if you didn't try to
Speaker 1: go do something else right, You come back and you
Speaker 1: do it again and this time it's an open seat.
Speaker 1: Like how often have we seen that you come close
Speaker 1: against an incumbent, you don't quite get there. Because I
Speaker 1: always say this, the second hardest thing to do is
Speaker 1: to defeat a governor and a primary. The hardest thing
Speaker 1: to do is to defeat a president in a primary.
Speaker 1: Right like these are the defeating a governor in primary
Speaker 1: ordinarily difficult. Defeating a governor in general extraordinarily difficult. It
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. So we only had one in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two midterms, and sitting governor lose, and
Speaker 1: so it is. It is not easy. This is why
Speaker 1: you know, I do think Democrats nominated the best possible candidate.
Speaker 1: But you know it is Chitarelli feels like Christi to me,
Speaker 1: and I mean that as a compliment, a little Christie
Speaker 1: in him. That feels like Christy had that right, Christy
Speaker 1: had that right. Balance of Jersey and as you just said,
Speaker 1: there's just something Jersey about Cheddarelli that that is that
Speaker 1: makes a New Jersey person comfortable.
Speaker 2: The difference is that the deeper polarization and frankly nationalization
Speaker 2: of politics between two thousand and nine and twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of folks in New Jersey who
Speaker 2: are like Mikey.
Speaker 1: Cheryl who aren't from there.
Speaker 2: Who are you know, suburban college educated people who find
Speaker 2: Trump to be anathema to everything that they stand and
Speaker 2: are never going to vote for the Trump part?
Speaker 1: You know, isn't it interesting? How many? It's funny you
Speaker 1: bring that up. Right, You've got like John Corzine was
Speaker 1: not from New Jersey. Right, you have Cheryl not from
Speaker 1: New Jersey, Booker. Booker didn't, he wasn't born and raised
Speaker 1: born in New Jersey. Wasn't Corey did grow up in Jersey?
Speaker 1: Or he is a New Jersey person, but there is
Speaker 1: some history of that. Yeah, obviously Bill Bradley Missouri, right.
Speaker 1: I think both Bill Bradley and Corson grew up and
Speaker 1: were born in Missouri.
Speaker 2: Right In the Bill Bradley from Crystal City, Missouri, south
Speaker 2: of Saint Louis, and it comes to east to go
Speaker 2: to Princeton Corps.
Speaker 1: Corson grow up I think a farm in Illinois, Illinois.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned this because I actually had this
Speaker 2: conversation with a prominent New.
Speaker 1: Jersey in earlier this year, and my question was, would Mikey.
Speaker 2: Cheryl be the least Jersey Jersey governor ever governor in
Speaker 2: modern history, because she is much more of a kind
Speaker 2: of Tgi Ford is that figure you could drop her
Speaker 2: Eddie strim All in America. And by the way, I
Speaker 2: don't see as a criticism, of.
Speaker 1: Course that's you don't know. Well, there's a remind I
Speaker 1: know that the suburbs, the suburbs are more like you know,
Speaker 1: the suburbs of Atlanta and the suburbs of Milwaukee have
Speaker 1: more in common than Milwaukee has with with with Oshkosh
Speaker 1: or Atlanta has with the Marjorie Taylor Green District.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, I think the end I mean the
Speaker 2: cours isn was on Farmakive in Illinois, but she was
Speaker 2: a banker of Goldman, the kind of lived in northern
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and that's certainly a Jersey archtype. Tom Kane
Speaker 2: and Christie Todd Whitman were kind of both to the
Speaker 2: man or born and have the accent. But that's also
Speaker 2: a kind of Jersey arc time. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: old money in New Jersey. And obviously Christie, for reasons
Speaker 2: that we all know, is very Jersey. So I think
Speaker 2: she is maybe that the sort of least Jersey Jersey
Speaker 2: figure in modern times, who would the governor?
Speaker 1: Let me wrap with this Labor Day brings, right, Labor
Speaker 1: Day before the Labor day before the next election year
Speaker 1: is usually the start of the official sort of the
Speaker 1: more official start of the cycle. Right that it's really
Speaker 1: an eight you know, it's an eighteen month drive, right,
Speaker 1: fifteen month sprint to election day midterms twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: which means we are going to get a handful of
Speaker 1: members who decide not to seek If they decide they're
Speaker 1: not going to seek reelection. This is kind of the
Speaker 1: last accepted exit ramp, which is Labor Day this September move. Now, look,
Speaker 1: we've got the House is a mess because of all
Speaker 1: the remaps, right, so that's going to in some ways
Speaker 1: that's a delayed thing. But let's talk about the Senate. Right,
Speaker 1: we've got Joni Ernst, who we don't know what she's
Speaker 1: going to do. I think that's still an open question.
Speaker 1: Susan Collins feels a little more of an open question,
Speaker 1: I think, but you tell me. But I feel like
Speaker 1: we're still we're still in the zone of we could
Speaker 1: have two or three more retirements, especially when people start
Speaker 1: to look at this. I think the spring of twenty six.
Speaker 1: If we're not in recession, we're awfully close. So if
Speaker 1: you're worried about if you don't really want to, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at a third or fourth term, and you're
Speaker 1: in the president's party, you might side I can't do it,
Speaker 1: I'm out. Oh yeah, I mean I think I think
Speaker 1: the uncertainty about the lines and the chaos next year
Speaker 1: will drive some vogues away in the next month or two.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that.
Speaker 2: In the Senate, I think i'd split Ernston Collin to
Speaker 2: the Ernst unlikely to run for re election.
Speaker 1: I think the party rallies in less than twenty.
Speaker 2: Four hours around oh fort your fucking names, so.
Speaker 1: Actually Hintston Hintson hintsion. Yeah, I agree with that. Open
Speaker 1: to look, I think I was going to be one
Speaker 1: of the great state Oh you're fine, you're fine, Ashley.
Speaker 1: I would split the I would split Ernston Collins. I
Speaker 1: think Ernst does not run again.
Speaker 2: The party rallies around, actually, Hintson, the twenty four hours
Speaker 2: she's the congress woman from Cedar Rapids. I think that's
Speaker 2: a pretty clean extraction. I do think Colin's ultimately runs again.
Speaker 2: She waited so long to have the gallole A Senate
Speaker 2: appropriations in some ways traffic now that they're doing all
Speaker 2: these precisions, which kind of takes away back.
Speaker 1: I do spending bills even matter anymore if the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: I mean all the Southerners, right Cochrane Shelby who held
Speaker 2: office so long, she currently gets the GOB a lot appropriate.
Speaker 2: I don't think she wants to give that up too soon.
Speaker 2: I think Collins does run again for re election. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think in the House, certainly we're going to see
Speaker 2: a lot of folks who just say this ain't worth
Speaker 2: it anymore. Where are you on Shared Brown? I mean
Speaker 2: he was running for governor. I wrote about this in May.
Speaker 2: I think he was leading that way. I think a
Speaker 2: couple of things happened. I think Schumer is very persuasive
Speaker 2: when it comes to recruiting folks for the Senate. I
Speaker 2: think he wants redemption for the Senate said he lost,
Speaker 2: he's a man of the Senate. I also think Chuck
Speaker 2: that he got promised a lot of money from Schumer
Speaker 2: that the DGA simply cannot guarantee in a red state
Speaker 2: open seat race. There's just not the money for a
Speaker 2: Democratic gov. Keep in read America that there is for
Speaker 2: any high profile Democratic Senate can't It's just I hear that,
Speaker 2: and I just feel like it's just such a miscalculation.
Speaker 2: I think Ramaswami is the most vulnerable potential. If you
Speaker 2: were the Democrats and said, if we have to run
Speaker 2: against anybody, you'd want a guy who's tied to Medicaid cuts,
Speaker 2: who's tied to the weirdness of Elon Musk and Kennemine.
Speaker 2: Uh you know, like I to me Ramaswamy, like I
Speaker 2: think John Houston.
Speaker 1: Here's here's why I'm I. Look, it's an easier commute
Speaker 1: if you're ran Glumbus. I give Schumer credit for persuading Brown,
Speaker 1: because if you couldn't get Brown, you couldn't put that
Speaker 1: race in play, right, But who's the incumbent, Houston or Brown?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, right what a voters thing? I think.
Speaker 1: If I'm John Houston, I could say, Hey, I just
Speaker 1: got here. This guy keeps wanting to come back. Why
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: I'm sure Schumer said, you know the history of appointees,
Speaker 2: shareed you know those who are appointed are we And
Speaker 2: there's truth to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but guess what happens if if you know what
Speaker 1: the prize for shared Brown's victory is, he has to
Speaker 1: run again in two years, So two hundred million dollar
Speaker 1: races in a presidential cycle in a red state, which
Speaker 1: was that when Jade Vance might be on the top
Speaker 1: of the ticket, which is why he lost last year.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I think the gov path was I
Speaker 1: can't believe Brown got talked into this. And I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, you're right, Schumer deserves credit for his
Speaker 1: powers of persuasion. Yeah, all right, I give him that.
Speaker 1: It just feels like a I think it's a tougher
Speaker 1: race for Brown and also than they sold to him.
Speaker 1: It's easier to win a red state away game if
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat running for Gold then this Senate because
Speaker 1: the issues are different. Look, I am, I was a
Speaker 1: I was a literally a fly on the wall for
Speaker 1: a polling presentation for Amy, acting that it was designed
Speaker 1: to be semi public like they one, I get, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was. It was from Molly Murphy, who's who's
Speaker 1: a really good bolster the Democratic side, and it was now,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, it's obvious they put that and they knew
Speaker 1: what Brown was going to do, so they were given
Speaker 1: a like, you know, hey, go go make your case.
Speaker 1: You're you're likely going to be the nominee now. And
Speaker 1: look the ramas Swammy numbers are I mean, the fact is,
Speaker 1: and I don't And it's possible that in a lesser
Speaker 1: known candidate like Acton can make Ramaswami a referendum, and
Speaker 1: maybe Shared Brown couldn't. Right, like, in a weird way
Speaker 1: you might, you might say that actually being a slightly
Speaker 1: lower profile where the big the other person about the
Speaker 1: other person, Which is why I think it is why
Speaker 1: Shared Brown has a harder time in that race, because
Speaker 1: who's the go back, who's the incumbent? You know, but
Speaker 1: Chuck who share a raising money for from running for
Speaker 1: a golvnor And you should check out how much Ramaswam
Speaker 1: he already has on hand too. Oh I know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I know it is. It's a mountain of crypto money.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 2: This is the Democrats problem that you go to Hollywood,
Speaker 2: you go to the Upper West Side of Manhattan, you
Speaker 2: go to the vacation enclaves all around Martha's Vinue.
Speaker 1: You're ready for the Senate. You're running for the Senate.
Speaker 2: You can clean up, You're running for Dove and you're
Speaker 2: talking about issues facing the budget in Columbus next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their eyes closed over man, you know. And yet
Speaker 1: this is why the Democratic Party is not a national
Speaker 1: party anymore, right it is. It is just a Washington party.
Speaker 1: They're constantly trying to get part of power in Washington,
Speaker 1: failing to realize that if they don't have power in
Speaker 1: the States, it's that much harder to get power in Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got a following the way to start getting money
Speaker 1: down and thinking.
Speaker 2: Now. I will say that there has been an effort
Speaker 2: when it comes to secretaries of state to really drive
Speaker 2: home the importance of the attorneys general.
Speaker 1: I feel like trial lawyers in particularly have been tapped
Speaker 1: in to those races in a more effective way than
Speaker 1: you've seen. You don't see the global.
Speaker 2: The global effort to help state capital democrats in ways
Speaker 2: that they.
Speaker 1: Got to have you know, you're right, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: who's your what's your college football attendance schedule? Hopefully robust.
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a full calendar right now,
Speaker 1: at least through November. One brother, I got Miami Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I got Miami versus Florida. I've got Miami versus Florida State.
Speaker 1: I've got SMU versus Miami. Do you see a theme here?
Speaker 1: I got s m U Miami's. Miami's first road game
Speaker 1: outside the state of Florida is at s m U
Speaker 1: in Dallas November first. Their third road game out in
Speaker 1: Florida is November. How about that? Because they're they're on
Speaker 1: the road in Tallahassee. They're exactly so, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so that's that's my schedule. That's my schedule so far.
Speaker 1: It's my first real college football freedom scheduled. Last twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, I didn't have this freedom. You are you are,
Speaker 1: You're a little more. L s U yeah and TCU right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we love that.
Speaker 2: We love the frogs uh and they have that that dream,
Speaker 2: that dream march of the national title game.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I thought this is going to
Speaker 1: be a good year for LSU. Chuck, I'm really liking, Well,
Speaker 1: what if it's not right? I mean, Brian Kelly, this
Speaker 1: is this is a classic case where he either wins
Speaker 1: the national title or he's fired, like it is it
Speaker 1: is Glen Garry, Glenn Ross, right, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think you've got to win the title. I think
Speaker 2: he's probably got to get to the final four, though,
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta get into the playoff. He's playoff.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't give in the playoff, it's a disaster, right,
Speaker 2: That's what I mean that the right First place, is
Speaker 2: this a Cadillac? Second place is you know, playoff? Okay,
Speaker 2: well you get to keep your job. Third place, you're fired.
Speaker 1: Likesc title game but doesn't get to the playoff, He's gone.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares. You got to make a run in the playoff,
Speaker 1: and I think they can.
Speaker 2: The question I have is is can can they fill
Speaker 2: in gaps that in the secondary and on the offensive line.
Speaker 2: I think those are usually uncertain questions that they open
Speaker 2: at Clemson, l SU keep scheduling these damn tough opener I.
Speaker 1: Actually I admire that, and I like, did you see
Speaker 1: the SEC rules? They're going to go to nine conference
Speaker 1: games from eight and they have to play one power
Speaker 1: for opponent. I know, no more. You know, we have
Speaker 1: to open at Clemson anyway. So if Death Valley versus
Speaker 1: Death Valley, that's a game that I expected Jonathan Martin
Speaker 1: to be attending. Well, your Valley of Death, the Battle
Speaker 1: of the Death Valleys. Yeah, well, first of.
Speaker 2: All Clemson in August is not exactly, is not exactly
Speaker 2: Nanataculo's put it that way.
Speaker 1: Seven all Chuck, I would say to be totally key, Tod.
Speaker 1: I have jinx LSU and so many openers in the
Speaker 1: last six to seven years that I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to do it again. Okay at the.
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, neutral sites in New Orleans, neutral site in
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, they're over. Yeah, They're over, and I'm just
Speaker 2: not going to do it again. So they will open
Speaker 2: with out me and I hope that they can.
Speaker 1: Get a win.
Speaker 2: Look, nuss Meyer's coming back. I think he's going to
Speaker 2: be one of the top quarterbacks in the country. Amazing
Speaker 2: receiving corps, develop a running game, offensive line transfers come through.
Speaker 1: There's no reason they shouldn't make a run deep in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No, my favorite group of five team that
Speaker 1: could make the playoff is James Madison. How are you
Speaker 1: feeling about your home? Stay fun story? I mean?
Speaker 2: And then we're a one double a powerhouse for so
Speaker 2: many years and they get a bit of an inferiority
Speaker 2: complex and please no hate mail Duke's and they've made
Speaker 2: the jump to D one and boy, you know they're
Speaker 2: doing well and chuck the stadium experience. Just drive down
Speaker 2: eighty one Harrisonburg. How things like a Taje Mahall. Now
Speaker 2: it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? The other thing is sort of
Speaker 1: you know how look, college sports does help improve your
Speaker 1: college application process. And the number of kids in my
Speaker 1: son's grades, Oh yeah, that preferred James Madison over VA Tech.
Speaker 1: Ten years ago. Va Tech because of their football prowess,
Speaker 1: had become really started to rival UVA as a school
Speaker 1: of interest to a lot of kids in Nova Jake.
Speaker 1: But now that vo Tech has had, you know, basically
Speaker 1: ever since Beamer left, it just they've struggled. And it's
Speaker 1: James Madison's really the football power of Virginia sr UVA
Speaker 1: and and it's helped. And you, like my son, he
Speaker 1: can't believe the number. You know, you got to love snapchat.
Speaker 1: You can geographically see where all your friends are once
Speaker 1: college move in was and he looked at he goes, God,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how many of my friends were going
Speaker 1: to James Madison, he goes, I'm glad I didn't end
Speaker 1: up there. It to have been like thirteenth grade, but
Speaker 1: it has really become you know, their advancement in athletics,
Speaker 1: as I think in everything you hear, it's really improved
Speaker 1: the entire school's bottom line academically, financially. So I have
Speaker 1: to admit I'm I'm as a Virginian transplant. You know,
Speaker 1: I've paid more taxes in Virginia than any other state.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's neat to say. Now it's fun
Speaker 2: to say. You know, nickname for JMU for a long
Speaker 2: time was just missed Uva and uh uh bat and
Speaker 2: sports them in.
Speaker 1: They're they're taking all And you know what, James Madison
Speaker 1: is the fathered the Constitution, and my god, I wish
Speaker 1: we had more people that followed the Constitution. So full circle, Jock,
Speaker 1: Full circle, My friend, John and Martin. Enjoy your week
Speaker 1: zero football games. Let's hear it for the Cyclones. Go Clones.
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