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Speaker 1: And joining me now is the longtime friend, longtime colleague,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, we're just having our conversation and we just

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin, the great j mart of political Are you

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Speaker 1: doing brother? Hey, seq thanks for having me. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting you will time stamp this. It's Saturday morning. It

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Speaker 1: is two hours before the launch of the greatest sports

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Speaker 2: Week zero, which I am honoring this year because I

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Speaker 2: have great friends who are Iowa State fans, and I'm

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Speaker 2: happy for them that they're over in Dublin enjoying a

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Speaker 2: case stay of Wildcats. And because the Farm Bowl the

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Speaker 2: Farm Games, calling at Farmageddon.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Iowa Nebraska would like their nickname back

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Speaker 1: when they started Farmageddon when Nebraska joined the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: Because I was ill Big Eight, I got familiar ties

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Speaker 1: My big beef with Iowa State are those school colors. Men,

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Speaker 1: they only go together when you're at an Iowa State dame.

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Speaker 2: I've done some cool turings to their uniform and recent

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Speaker 2: years age, you know, I don't want to get too

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Speaker 1: And you know my grandfather was a mechanical engineer, so

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny though about islands. As much as

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Speaker 1: I if you know, it's actually not a bad place

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Speaker 1: for you. Andied riff a bit, which is the Democrats

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what my view on this is, Iowa New

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Speaker 2: not the two parties. They're gonna have it in January

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Speaker 2: That starts with, you're right, that starts with trying to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely WHATEVERD and BO. Mortgage fraud, Hey, look, brgetraud. What

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Speaker 2: So I'll be waiting with baited breath for again a

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Speaker 1: Now, you'll be if you hold your breath, you'll die because.

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Speaker 2: If you were, if you really a member of Congress

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Speaker 1: you're going to alienate an ally and Arnold Schwartzeneker tiboot which.

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Speaker 2: I And this is what drives so many NASA were

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Speaker 2: foremanded Democrats crazy, including the congressman named Brendan Boyle in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: who is this gun's a blazon on this stuff? He says,

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Speaker 2: you know, we we do all this Google reform stuff

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Speaker 2: to create these conditions to do fedal longs or whatever,

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Speaker 2: but we get no credit for it. And also it

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Speaker 2: doesn't help us politically, and like there's no chance in

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Speaker 2: hell of it, like red state governors within a million

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Speaker 2: years do something like this. But Obama is wedded to

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Speaker 2: as big as Eric hores ag you know, part of

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Speaker 2: this national reapportionment project, and you know they want to

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Speaker 2: do a fair lines ostensibly. Well no, actually a lot

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Speaker 2: of your Democratic the others don't want to do a

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Speaker 2: fair lines.

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Speaker 1: They want to use this for what it's always been done.

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Speaker 2: It's just a graph board seat because guess while the

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Speaker 2: other guys are doing the same. And if you're not,

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Speaker 2: then you're not fighting an you know, a fair fight here.

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Speaker 2: But I think the Democrats Albadama is engaged at all

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Speaker 2: in this. Why is he weighing in on the stuff.

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Speaker 1: There's lives think they were trying to get because they're

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Speaker 1: desperate for donors. I think there's some donors that don't

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Speaker 1: are I'm not sure whether they should go all in

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Speaker 1: on this, and I think they needed Obama sigives. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm okay with this, but I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you. I think the reason the Democratic Party has

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Speaker 1: had a messaging problem for a decade, but they've been

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Speaker 1: very competitive. And I think they've been competitive for one reason.

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Speaker 1: Voters believe that Democrats were the adult in the room.

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Speaker 1: The minute the Democrats give up adult in the room status,

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Speaker 1: I think they alienate sie of voters That cost them

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Speaker 1: more than I know they feel. This makes you feel good,

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Speaker 1: This makes the base feel, hey, you're fighting. You know. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's great, Gavin Newsom, all caps is awesome. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're winning over a swing voter with this.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, I just think that that ship sailed

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Speaker 1: after Biden because the whole premise of Biden Chuck was

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like this America. But Biden

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Speaker 1: didn't govern that way. Biden governed as a left winger

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Speaker 1: for the first two years when Ron Klain basically opened

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Speaker 1: the door to every progressive idea in America, and it

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Speaker 1: didn't get shut. It didn't get shut until Jeff Zion

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Speaker 1: showed up. But it was too late. I mean, I disagree,

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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. The perception is Biden was

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Speaker 1: a failure because they tried to moderate and it failed. No,

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Speaker 1: it was a failure because he tried to govern as

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Speaker 1: a left winger and it was a failure.

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Speaker 2: Do wonder what history looks like if Biden comes in

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Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty one with Mitch McConnell as

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Speaker 2: the Senate majority leader, because they only win one of

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Speaker 2: those two seats in Georgia, right, I mean history turns

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Speaker 2: on small things.

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Speaker 1: It was specials in Georgia. And in the words of

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Speaker 1: Abigail Spanburger, nobody elected FDR.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a really good reporter. She gave

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Speaker 2: that quote to Whatever happened to that guy? He used

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Speaker 2: to wear it for the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know that was me. By the way, A

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Speaker 1: fun fact about that that quote. That's the day after.

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Speaker 2: Mccalliff loses the gov race in twenty twenty one, when

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Speaker 2: Biden's numbers are really going south after Afghanistan, and Spanberger

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Speaker 2: is speaking for the frustrations of a lot of moderate Democrats,

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Speaker 2: which is, we did not elect you to be FDR. Right,

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Speaker 2: we'velected you to get shipped done and bring the country together.

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Speaker 2: So flash forward a year from that conversation. Spanberger's own

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Speaker 2: re election.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Is call pretty early in the night and Biden calls her.

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Speaker 2: He's calling everybody who won the say congratulations, and she

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Speaker 2: picks up the phone and said, this is Franklin.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty good line, it is. But it's aware

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Speaker 1: a year later about that, I mean, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it that such a reminder? Presidents here,

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Speaker 1: every criticism, every criticism, right, Trump here, every criticism. Biden heard,

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Speaker 1: every criticism. Trust me, I've leveled some and I have heard.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, I'm a little scared of driving through

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Speaker 1: the state of Delaware lately. Stay a mon, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have to stay away if I'm not going to any

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Speaker 1: art exhibits on that front.

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Speaker 2: But so what do we think here, Chuck, this is

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Speaker 2: going to be such a legal I don't think people

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Speaker 2: realize just how.

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Speaker 1: Many states are going to jump in the court funding

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Speaker 1: suits courts. And here's what is it going to do

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Speaker 1: to action appetune candidates. You're going to have people like

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Speaker 1: I don't know what lines I'm running in. We may

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Speaker 1: not know the lines until a certain date. And this

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Speaker 1: is just its madness, right, and we saw that Trump

518
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Speaker 1: is you know, this is a what's funny we talked

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Speaker 1: about how weak the parties are. But Trump has created

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Speaker 1: a strong Trump Party. Right. It's not a Republican party,

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Speaker 1: it's a Trump party. Right. And this is what a

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Speaker 1: party machine looks like. Right. If people wanted to know

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Speaker 1: what a Tammany hall? What was that one? Right? This

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Speaker 1: is it where he just says, no, you're doing this.

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Speaker 1: It's all personality, right, yeah, right, very personally Hue we long, right,

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Speaker 1: very personality driven. Well, it's all personality driven. It's not

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Speaker 1: based on the part no movements. Right, this isn't about

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Speaker 1: a larger idea, trust me, what what what is the

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Speaker 1: you know there is no larger idea anymore? Right, this

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Speaker 1: isn't about limiting government. My god. We imagine what would

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Speaker 1: the right be saying if Joe Biden took a ten

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Speaker 1: percent stake in Intel, or or told the video, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fun if you want to self chip to we

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Speaker 1: need to kick back. Yeah, but you got to give

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Speaker 1: me a taste. I think, as they say in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: give me a toy taste. Give you a little taste, baby.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so alarming. Uh.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Mike Murphy has has this great project

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Speaker 2: to which he wants to get every city's reference to.

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Speaker 1: A bribery.

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Speaker 2: So like in Philadelphia they said, give me a taste. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's Chicago Base you got dusted off. My favorite, though,

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Speaker 2: Chuck is getting your peak wet.

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Speaker 1: I've heard wet yet. I gotta give my beak wet here,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I think that was originally about something

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Speaker 1: else in life, you know, for a young mobster needed

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Speaker 1: to get his beak wet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida especially, Yeah, yeah, but in uh right, so

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Speaker 2: so so here we are the year twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Uncle Seam is getting his beak wet with with ten

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Speaker 2: percent of Intel fifty percent of every chip sold at

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Speaker 2: to China.

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Speaker 1: By the video, he's not a conservative prime it's a

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Speaker 1: Trump project.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, it does have the the the sort

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Speaker 2: of impact of being a hell of a machine. He saints,

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Speaker 2: all these campaigns you run for this, you do all

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Speaker 2: run for that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he he basically has decided the Florida

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Speaker 1: governor's race, at least in the primary and probably for

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Speaker 1: the general. He just decided Ron de Santis doesn't get

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Speaker 1: depict this person. I do, so, Yeah, I'm gonna mediums,

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Speaker 1: Fyron Donalds. You know, South Carolina and a Republican primary

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Speaker 1: are not great. All that matters those that Trump is

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Speaker 1: still for Lindsay.

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Speaker 2: As long as Lindsay has that he gets renominated, wins

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Speaker 2: six more years. So, like I joke, like Lindsay could

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Speaker 2: keep doing his codels all over the world and spend

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Speaker 2: half of this time shuttling between you know, Tel aviv

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Speaker 2: Aman and like you know, back to Paris, Brussels in

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Speaker 2: London and never set foot in like Ain or South

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Speaker 2: Carolina or do the oakra straught or like you know,

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Speaker 2: go to Charleston, Columbia, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Because as long as Trump is four, I'm don't have

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Speaker 1: to break right, I mean, are the only two responsible

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Speaker 1: people in the Trump White House right now? Rubio invescent

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Speaker 1: because I think about it, if it wasn't for Rubio,

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Speaker 1: Ukraine would already be under the bus, and if it

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Speaker 1: wasn't for Bessant, the economy would already be you know,

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Speaker 1: we'd already be in the crapper.

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Speaker 2: But we can't overemphasize how much there's this credo of

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Speaker 2: in scott we trust, whether it's on Capitol Hill or

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Speaker 2: the financial markets. I mean, the reliance on Besson to

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Speaker 2: keep a lid on Trump is incredible, right, amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And in some ways all the threats against Powell are

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Speaker 2: kind of ignored at this point because they don't think

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Speaker 2: Trump will actually act on it. It's kind of the

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Speaker 2: ultimate taco trade. He's never going to actually threaten, how

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Speaker 2: beyond just renting. But boy, the second beston is gone.

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Speaker 2: You can see the nervousness, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because if it's if you end up with

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Speaker 1: somebody more like Lutnik, who really is sort of I

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Speaker 1: had somebody describe it to me on the news for

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Speaker 1: show earlier this week and said, there are times when

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Speaker 1: Besson's in the room and lawmakers will say, boy, I'm glad,

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Speaker 1: or when LEUTNX in the room, I'm glad Lutnik was

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Speaker 1: in the room. And literally the next day they'll be

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Speaker 1: why was Lutnik in the room. He sort of ruined everything, right,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's sort of Lutnik just reads Trump and

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Speaker 1: whatever he thinks Trump's wants to hear, and he'll blow

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Speaker 1: up a meeting versus Besson, who knows what the endgame

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Speaker 1: is and tries to figure out how to get Trump there.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it'll be like, all right, let's let's end

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Speaker 1: the meeting. We're not going to get him there today, right,

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Speaker 1: Like Besson knows how to know, still wants to get

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Speaker 1: the end game.

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Speaker 2: Lutnik just wants to suck up to Trump. Well, I

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Speaker 2: mean famously they the week of Liberation Day, Besson rushes

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Speaker 2: over from Treasury to the White House when they know

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Speaker 2: that Navarro is not around, and got to Trump. It's said,

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Speaker 2: are you seeing the bond markets? Man like, yep, we

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Speaker 2: can't do this, and you know Trump Trump responds, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I want to pivot a little bit to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five and these elections. If I were to spend

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Speaker 1: time in one place, I would probably stay in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: That I feel like as New Jersey goes, so goes

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Speaker 1: the perception of sort of the direction of both parties

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Speaker 1: a little bit that New Jersey will tell me, you know,

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Speaker 1: how much how much progress did Trump make in sort

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Speaker 1: of in the suburbs in twenty twenty four and did

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Speaker 1: it stick? Right? Is Mom Donnie a problem with suburban

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Speaker 1: voters in northern New Jersey? And is that something that's

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Speaker 1: going to be exploitable in twenty six? The point is

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Speaker 1: that I feel like New Jersey governor might be the

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Speaker 1: most interesting, you know, Mom, Donnie's you know, I think

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Speaker 1: we know the results going to be, we just don't

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Speaker 1: know the margin. I think we have the same feeling

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Speaker 1: about Virginia. Obviously, the California referendum becomes a different type

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Speaker 1: of election night, and it's California, which means it's going

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Speaker 1: to take three weeks to find out what the actual

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Speaker 1: result is. But that New Jersey will sort of tell

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Speaker 1: to me, tell us more. It's also hard for.

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Speaker 2: A political party to keep the governor's mansion for a

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Speaker 2: third straight term one hundred percent. Governor Murphy's numbers are

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Speaker 2: not great right now. Broadly speaking, in Jersey voters you're

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Speaker 2: always cranky because taxes are so Jersey. They are inherently

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Speaker 2: some of the crankiest voters in the country, right, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: all that's challenging. Plus something ow I think Jersey has

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Speaker 2: just gotten Trump here, right, and I just think a

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Speaker 2: lot of the voters, especially in South Jersey, you know,

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Speaker 2: parts of coastal Jersey. I think they call it the

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Speaker 2: Jersey Shore. I believe Chuck so I hear. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: just a Trump of your place, you know, like his

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Speaker 2: style his affact.

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Speaker 1: That's fine with a lot of Jerseys. So yeah, I look.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, Democrats nominated you know, minkey Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: You could drop her in Minnesota, Arizona, Washington State.

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Speaker 1: Right, she bungled mom, Donnie, though she bungled the answer, right,

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Speaker 1: The easy answer is, I don't the New Yorkers want

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Speaker 1: New Jersey people to tell you who to vote for,

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Speaker 1: and New Jersey and certainly don't want New Yorkers to

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Speaker 1: tell them who to vote for. But instead she first

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Speaker 1: said she she got the first time she was asked.

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Speaker 1: She was asked on NSBC, so she felt like she

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Speaker 1: had to say nice things my mom, Donnie. Now they

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Speaker 1: claim they've not endorsed. But of course, you know, she

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Speaker 1: she got caught in the worst possible situation. She kind

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Speaker 1: of supported then wants to back off, so now it

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Speaker 1: looks like she's scared. So she's pissed off the base

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Speaker 1: and she's pissed off the metal. I mean, just a

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Speaker 1: total miss. That was just a rankly as a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine said, you know, you guys love to use

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Speaker 1: this phrase political athlete. That was in a very athletic

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Speaker 1: move by her, And I'm like, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I had one more thing on New Jersey too, which

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Speaker 2: is that Trump is much more sympathetic Jack Chitdarelli.

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Speaker 1: But he has went some seers forced all economy for

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Speaker 1: governor who came around, became a Trumper ran.

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Speaker 2: A pretty competitive reach. I think it was like three

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Speaker 2: change points against Murphy four years ago. Correct, it was

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Speaker 2: the pole's miss hit.

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Speaker 1: By the way, New Jersey polling always is very, very

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Speaker 1: erratic for what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: So I say all that, dude, I kind of wonder

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Speaker 2: will Trump not not only you know, it really helped

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Speaker 2: chet A rally behind the scenes, but also can Trump

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Speaker 2: get more money to Chedter out right?

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Speaker 1: I look, I will tell you this. My spies on

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Speaker 1: the ground tell me Chittarelli is working harder. He's really

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Speaker 1: that there is he's learned some Look, running before and

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Speaker 1: narrowly losing and not losing your mind is actually a

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Speaker 1: pretty good recipe in governors. There's quite a few governors

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Speaker 1: who lost the first time they ran. Yeah, that is

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Speaker 1: not that you know, especially if you didn't try to

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Speaker 1: go do something else right, You come back and you

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Speaker 1: do it again and this time it's an open seat.

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Speaker 1: Like how often have we seen that you come close

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Speaker 1: against an incumbent, you don't quite get there. Because I

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Speaker 1: always say this, the second hardest thing to do is

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Speaker 1: to defeat a governor and a primary. The hardest thing

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Speaker 1: to do is to defeat a president in a primary.

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Speaker 1: Right like these are the defeating a governor in primary

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Speaker 1: ordinarily difficult. Defeating a governor in general extraordinarily difficult. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. So we only had one in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two midterms, and sitting governor lose, and

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Speaker 1: so it is. It is not easy. This is why

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think Democrats nominated the best possible candidate.

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Speaker 1: But you know it is Chitarelli feels like Christi to me,

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Speaker 1: and I mean that as a compliment, a little Christie

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Speaker 1: in him. That feels like Christy had that right, Christy

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Speaker 1: had that right. Balance of Jersey and as you just said,

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Speaker 1: there's just something Jersey about Cheddarelli that that is that

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Speaker 1: makes a New Jersey person comfortable.

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Speaker 2: The difference is that the deeper polarization and frankly nationalization

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Speaker 2: of politics between two thousand and nine and twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: there's just a lot of folks in New Jersey who

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Speaker 2: are like Mikey.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl who aren't from there.

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Speaker 2: Who are you know, suburban college educated people who find

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Speaker 2: Trump to be anathema to everything that they stand and

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Speaker 2: are never going to vote for the Trump part?

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Speaker 1: You know, isn't it interesting? How many? It's funny you

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Speaker 1: bring that up. Right, You've got like John Corzine was

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Speaker 1: not from New Jersey. Right, you have Cheryl not from

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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Booker. Booker didn't, he wasn't born and raised

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Speaker 1: born in New Jersey. Wasn't Corey did grow up in Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Or he is a New Jersey person, but there is

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Speaker 1: some history of that. Yeah, obviously Bill Bradley Missouri, right.

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Speaker 1: I think both Bill Bradley and Corson grew up and

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Speaker 1: were born in Missouri.

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Speaker 2: Right In the Bill Bradley from Crystal City, Missouri, south

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Speaker 2: of Saint Louis, and it comes to east to go

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Speaker 2: to Princeton Corps.

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Speaker 1: Corson grow up I think a farm in Illinois, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned this because I actually had this

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Speaker 2: conversation with a prominent New.

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Speaker 1: Jersey in earlier this year, and my question was, would Mikey.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl be the least Jersey Jersey governor ever governor in

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Speaker 2: modern history, because she is much more of a kind

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Speaker 2: of Tgi Ford is that figure you could drop her

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Speaker 2: Eddie strim All in America. And by the way, I

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Speaker 2: don't see as a criticism, of.

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Speaker 1: Course that's you don't know. Well, there's a remind I

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Speaker 1: know that the suburbs, the suburbs are more like you know,

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Speaker 1: the suburbs of Atlanta and the suburbs of Milwaukee have

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Speaker 1: more in common than Milwaukee has with with with Oshkosh

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Speaker 1: or Atlanta has with the Marjorie Taylor Green District.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, I think the end I mean the

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Speaker 2: cours isn was on Farmakive in Illinois, but she was

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Speaker 2: a banker of Goldman, the kind of lived in northern

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Speaker 2: New Jersey, and that's certainly a Jersey archtype. Tom Kane

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Speaker 2: and Christie Todd Whitman were kind of both to the

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Speaker 2: man or born and have the accent. But that's also

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Speaker 2: a kind of Jersey arc time. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: old money in New Jersey. And obviously Christie, for reasons

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Speaker 2: that we all know, is very Jersey. So I think

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Speaker 2: she is maybe that the sort of least Jersey Jersey

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Speaker 2: figure in modern times, who would the governor?

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Speaker 1: Let me wrap with this Labor Day brings, right, Labor

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Speaker 1: Day before the Labor day before the next election year

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Speaker 1: is usually the start of the official sort of the

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Speaker 1: more official start of the cycle. Right that it's really

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Speaker 1: an eight you know, it's an eighteen month drive, right,

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Speaker 1: fifteen month sprint to election day midterms twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: which means we are going to get a handful of

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Speaker 1: members who decide not to seek If they decide they're

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Speaker 1: not going to seek reelection. This is kind of the

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Speaker 1: last accepted exit ramp, which is Labor Day this September move. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: we've got the House is a mess because of all

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Speaker 1: the remaps, right, so that's going to in some ways

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Speaker 1: that's a delayed thing. But let's talk about the Senate. Right,

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Speaker 1: we've got Joni Ernst, who we don't know what she's

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Speaker 1: going to do. I think that's still an open question.

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Speaker 1: Susan Collins feels a little more of an open question,

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Speaker 1: I think, but you tell me. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're still we're still in the zone of we could

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Speaker 1: have two or three more retirements, especially when people start

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Speaker 1: to look at this. I think the spring of twenty six.

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Speaker 1: If we're not in recession, we're awfully close. So if

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Speaker 1: you're worried about if you don't really want to, if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at a third or fourth term, and you're

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Speaker 1: in the president's party, you might side I can't do it,

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Speaker 1: I'm out. Oh yeah, I mean I think I think

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty about the lines and the chaos next year

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Speaker 1: will drive some vogues away in the next month or two.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 2: In the Senate, I think i'd split Ernston Collin to

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Speaker 2: the Ernst unlikely to run for re election.

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Speaker 1: I think the party rallies in less than twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four hours around oh fort your fucking names, so.

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Speaker 1: Actually Hintston Hintson hintsion. Yeah, I agree with that. Open

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Speaker 1: to look, I think I was going to be one

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Speaker 1: of the great state Oh you're fine, you're fine, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I would split the I would split Ernston Collins. I

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Speaker 1: think Ernst does not run again.

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Speaker 2: The party rallies around, actually, Hintson, the twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: she's the congress woman from Cedar Rapids. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a pretty clean extraction. I do think Colin's ultimately runs again.

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Speaker 2: She waited so long to have the gallole A Senate

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Speaker 2: appropriations in some ways traffic now that they're doing all

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Speaker 2: these precisions, which kind of takes away back.

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Speaker 1: I do spending bills even matter anymore if the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean all the Southerners, right Cochrane Shelby who held

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Speaker 2: office so long, she currently gets the GOB a lot appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she wants to give that up too soon.

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Speaker 2: I think Collins does run again for re election. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think in the House, certainly we're going to see

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Speaker 2: a lot of folks who just say this ain't worth

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Speaker 2: it anymore. Where are you on Shared Brown? I mean

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Speaker 2: he was running for governor. I wrote about this in May.

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Speaker 2: I think he was leading that way. I think a

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Speaker 2: couple of things happened. I think Schumer is very persuasive

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Speaker 2: when it comes to recruiting folks for the Senate. I

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Speaker 2: think he wants redemption for the Senate said he lost,

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Speaker 2: he's a man of the Senate. I also think Chuck

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Speaker 2: that he got promised a lot of money from Schumer

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Speaker 2: that the DGA simply cannot guarantee in a red state

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Speaker 2: open seat race. There's just not the money for a

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Speaker 2: Democratic gov. Keep in read America that there is for

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Speaker 2: any high profile Democratic Senate can't It's just I hear that,

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Speaker 2: and I just feel like it's just such a miscalculation.

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Speaker 2: I think Ramaswami is the most vulnerable potential. If you

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Speaker 2: were the Democrats and said, if we have to run

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Speaker 2: against anybody, you'd want a guy who's tied to Medicaid cuts,

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Speaker 2: who's tied to the weirdness of Elon Musk and Kennemine.

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Speaker 2: Uh you know, like I to me Ramaswamy, like I

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Speaker 2: think John Houston.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's why I'm I. Look, it's an easier commute

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Speaker 1: if you're ran Glumbus. I give Schumer credit for persuading Brown,

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Speaker 1: because if you couldn't get Brown, you couldn't put that

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Speaker 1: race in play, right, But who's the incumbent, Houston or Brown?

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, right what a voters thing? I think.

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Speaker 1: If I'm John Houston, I could say, Hey, I just

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Speaker 1: got here. This guy keeps wanting to come back. Why

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Speaker 1: is that?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Schumer said, you know the history of appointees,

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Speaker 2: shareed you know those who are appointed are we And

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Speaker 2: there's truth to that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but guess what happens if if you know what

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Speaker 1: the prize for shared Brown's victory is, he has to

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Speaker 1: run again in two years, So two hundred million dollar

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Speaker 1: races in a presidential cycle in a red state, which

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Speaker 1: was that when Jade Vance might be on the top

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Speaker 1: of the ticket, which is why he lost last year.

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Speaker 1: I just yeah, I think the gov path was I

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Speaker 1: can't believe Brown got talked into this. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I said, you're right, Schumer deserves credit for his

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Speaker 1: powers of persuasion. Yeah, all right, I give him that.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like a I think it's a tougher

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Speaker 1: race for Brown and also than they sold to him.

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Speaker 1: It's easier to win a red state away game if

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Speaker 1: you're a Democrat running for Gold then this Senate because

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Speaker 1: the issues are different. Look, I am, I was a

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Speaker 1: I was a literally a fly on the wall for

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Speaker 1: a polling presentation for Amy, acting that it was designed

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Speaker 1: to be semi public like they one, I get, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it was. It was from Molly Murphy, who's who's

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Speaker 1: a really good bolster the Democratic side, and it was now,

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Speaker 1: in hindsight, it's obvious they put that and they knew

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Speaker 1: what Brown was going to do, so they were given

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Speaker 1: a like, you know, hey, go go make your case.

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Speaker 1: You're you're likely going to be the nominee now. And

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Speaker 1: look the ramas Swammy numbers are I mean, the fact is,

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Speaker 1: and I don't And it's possible that in a lesser

856
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Speaker 1: known candidate like Acton can make Ramaswami a referendum, and

857
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: maybe Shared Brown couldn't. Right, like, in a weird way

858
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: you might, you might say that actually being a slightly

859
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: lower profile where the big the other person about the

860
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: other person, Which is why I think it is why

861
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Speaker 1: Shared Brown has a harder time in that race, because

862
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: who's the go back, who's the incumbent? You know, but

863
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: Chuck who share a raising money for from running for

864
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: a golvnor And you should check out how much Ramaswam

865
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: he already has on hand too. Oh I know, Oh,

866
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I know it is. It's a mountain of crypto money.

867
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

868
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: This is the Democrats problem that you go to Hollywood,

869
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: you go to the Upper West Side of Manhattan, you

870
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: go to the vacation enclaves all around Martha's Vinue.

871
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: You're ready for the Senate. You're running for the Senate.

872
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: You can clean up, You're running for Dove and you're

873
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: talking about issues facing the budget in Columbus next year.

874
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, their eyes closed over man, you know. And yet

875
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: this is why the Democratic Party is not a national

876
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: party anymore, right it is. It is just a Washington party.

877
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: They're constantly trying to get part of power in Washington,

878
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: failing to realize that if they don't have power in

879
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: the States, it's that much harder to get power in Washington. Yeah,

880
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: they got a following the way to start getting money

881
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: down and thinking.

882
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: Now. I will say that there has been an effort

883
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: when it comes to secretaries of state to really drive

884
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: home the importance of the attorneys general.

885
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I feel like trial lawyers in particularly have been tapped

886
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: in to those races in a more effective way than

887
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: you've seen. You don't see the global.

888
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: The global effort to help state capital democrats in ways

889
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: that they.

890
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Got to have you know, you're right, yeah, all right,

891
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: who's your what's your college football attendance schedule? Hopefully robust.

892
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a full calendar right now,

893
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: at least through November. One brother, I got Miami Notre Dame.

894
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: I got Miami versus Florida. I've got Miami versus Florida State.

895
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: I've got SMU versus Miami. Do you see a theme here?

896
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: I got s m U Miami's. Miami's first road game

897
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: outside the state of Florida is at s m U

898
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: in Dallas November first. Their third road game out in

899
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: Florida is November. How about that? Because they're they're on

900
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: the road in Tallahassee. They're exactly so, and uh, you know,

901
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: so that's that's my schedule. That's my schedule so far.

902
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: It's my first real college football freedom scheduled. Last twenty

903
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: twenty four, I didn't have this freedom. You are you are,

904
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: You're a little more. L s U yeah and TCU right, yeah, yeah,

905
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: we love that.

906
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: We love the frogs uh and they have that that dream,

907
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: that dream march of the national title game.

908
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: But I feel like I thought this is going to

909
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: be a good year for LSU. Chuck, I'm really liking, Well,

910
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: what if it's not right? I mean, Brian Kelly, this

911
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: is this is a classic case where he either wins

912
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: the national title or he's fired, like it is it

913
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: is Glen Garry, Glenn Ross, right, I.

914
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: Don't think you've got to win the title. I think

915
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: he's probably got to get to the final four, though,

916
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta get into the playoff. He's playoff.

917
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: If he doesn't give in the playoff, it's a disaster, right,

918
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: That's what I mean that the right First place, is

919
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: this a Cadillac? Second place is you know, playoff? Okay,

920
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: well you get to keep your job. Third place, you're fired.

921
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Likesc title game but doesn't get to the playoff, He's gone.

922
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: Nobody cares. You got to make a run in the playoff,

923
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: and I think they can.

924
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: The question I have is is can can they fill

925
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: in gaps that in the secondary and on the offensive line.

926
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: I think those are usually uncertain questions that they open

927
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: at Clemson, l SU keep scheduling these damn tough opener I.

928
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Actually I admire that, and I like, did you see

929
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: the SEC rules? They're going to go to nine conference

930
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: games from eight and they have to play one power

931
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: for opponent. I know, no more. You know, we have

932
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: to open at Clemson anyway. So if Death Valley versus

933
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: Death Valley, that's a game that I expected Jonathan Martin

934
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: to be attending. Well, your Valley of Death, the Battle

935
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: of the Death Valleys. Yeah, well, first of.

936
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: All Clemson in August is not exactly, is not exactly

937
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: Nanataculo's put it that way.

938
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: Seven all Chuck, I would say to be totally key, Tod.

939
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: I have jinx LSU and so many openers in the

940
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: last six to seven years that I'm just not going

941
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: to do it again. Okay at the.

942
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, neutral sites in New Orleans, neutral site in

943
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, they're over. Yeah, They're over, and I'm just

944
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: not going to do it again. So they will open

945
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: with out me and I hope that they can.

946
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: Get a win.

947
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Look, nuss Meyer's coming back. I think he's going to

948
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: be one of the top quarterbacks in the country. Amazing

949
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: receiving corps, develop a running game, offensive line transfers come through.

950
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: There's no reason they shouldn't make a run deep in

951
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No, my favorite group of five team that

952
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: could make the playoff is James Madison. How are you

953
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: feeling about your home? Stay fun story? I mean?

954
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: And then we're a one double a powerhouse for so

955
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: many years and they get a bit of an inferiority

956
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 2: complex and please no hate mail Duke's and they've made

957
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: the jump to D one and boy, you know they're

958
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: doing well and chuck the stadium experience. Just drive down

959
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: eighty one Harrisonburg. How things like a Taje Mahall. Now

960
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: it's incredible.

961
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? The other thing is sort of

962
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: you know how look, college sports does help improve your

963
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: college application process. And the number of kids in my

964
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: son's grades, Oh yeah, that preferred James Madison over VA Tech.

965
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: Ten years ago. Va Tech because of their football prowess,

966
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: had become really started to rival UVA as a school

967
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: of interest to a lot of kids in Nova Jake.

968
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: But now that vo Tech has had, you know, basically

969
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: ever since Beamer left, it just they've struggled. And it's

970
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: James Madison's really the football power of Virginia sr UVA

971
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: and and it's helped. And you, like my son, he

972
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: can't believe the number. You know, you got to love snapchat.

973
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: You can geographically see where all your friends are once

974
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: college move in was and he looked at he goes, God,

975
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how many of my friends were going

976
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: to James Madison, he goes, I'm glad I didn't end

977
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: up there. It to have been like thirteenth grade, but

978
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: it has really become you know, their advancement in athletics,

979
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: as I think in everything you hear, it's really improved

980
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: the entire school's bottom line academically, financially. So I have

981
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: to admit I'm I'm as a Virginian transplant. You know,

982
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: I've paid more taxes in Virginia than any other state.

983
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's neat to say. Now it's fun

984
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: to say. You know, nickname for JMU for a long

985
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: time was just missed Uva and uh uh bat and

986
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: sports them in.

987
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: They're they're taking all And you know what, James Madison

988
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: is the fathered the Constitution, and my god, I wish

989
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: we had more people that followed the Constitution. So full circle, Jock,

990
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: Full circle, My friend, John and Martin. Enjoy your week

991
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: zero football games. Let's hear it for the Cyclones. Go Clones.

992
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: See Robert mary By