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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission

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Speaker 4: Control Decant. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this

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Speaker 4: the stuff they don't want you to know. This evening

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Speaker 4: is the top of the week. That means it's time

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Speaker 4: for some news, but not perhaps the news you would

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Speaker 4: see on your typical Reddit feed. We are instead exploring

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Speaker 4: what we like to call strange news. We're going to

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Speaker 4: talk a little bit about cryptids. I have a have

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Speaker 4: a big soapbox on this one because I think maybe cryptids.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we're not finding cryptids because we're giving them insulting names.

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Speaker 4: Calling someone bigfoot and wondering why they don't want to

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Speaker 4: hang out with you is kind of rude. You know

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Speaker 4: what makes the lockness monster a monster? That's unfair. Bigfoots

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Speaker 4: feed are objectively big?

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Speaker 3: Or are they? Maybe it's a misnomer entirely.

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Speaker 4: Who are we to judge? The next thing we're going

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Speaker 4: to look at as well. We're going to solve the

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Speaker 4: mystery of flattery associates, which we mentioned on a previous

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Speaker 4: Strange News segment. Before we do any of that, we're

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Speaker 4: going to dive into a bit of neuroscience. We are

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Speaker 4: going to witness with you how much human civilization still

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Speaker 4: has to learn about the human brain. And its safe

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Speaker 4: to say there's a heck of a recent plot twist.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we start there, Maybe we travel down south passe Equator,

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Speaker 4: go visit some of our friends and fellow conspiracy realist

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're heading down under again. Everybody get hyped. We're

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Speaker 2: heading to the southeastern coast of Australia, to the state

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Speaker 2: of New South Wales. Guys, that's the home of Sydney

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Speaker 2: and Canbra or Canbra if you live in the area. Look,

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Speaker 2: if you were gonna take a test right now and

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Speaker 2: somebody said, hey, what's the capital of Australia, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'd say, Sydney. What would you guys say, Queensland?

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Speaker 3: Is that a place in Australia?

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Speaker 2: It is a place. Melbourne is another really good guess.

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Speaker 2: But Canbra is the capital of Australia. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Washington DC of Australia news.

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Speaker 2: To me, just wanted to share that because I was

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Speaker 2: excited about learning it. Okay, so that's where we're heading.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna tell you a little story about a woman

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Speaker 2: who experienced some stuff in January twenty twenty one. This

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, guys. So with those stinky symptoms, what

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Speaker 2: But then her symptoms started to evolve to become more neurological.

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Speaker 2: She started experiencing quote forgetfulness and depression. Some might think, oh,

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Speaker 4: One would automatically think cancer.

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Speaker 2: Cancer, right, that's where my head goes, and I'm we

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Speaker 2: But anytime a doctor scans your brain and says, hey,

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Speaker 4: It's the most likely cause.

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Speaker 2: Unless it's some kind of traumatic brain injury, right where

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Speaker 2: She says, neurosurgery is exceptionally planned. We very rarely find

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Speaker 2: So she begins the process of dissecting very carefully this

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Speaker 2: They pulled a worm out of this patient's brain. We're

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Speaker 2: How the heck do you get a worm in your brain? Well,

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Speaker 2: specifically a nematode. This is a nematode, not a worm,

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Speaker 2: neurosurgeon pulls a worm out of a brain, You go,

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Speaker 2: I deal with brains, not worms. What the heck is

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Speaker 2: how it got there. They're stumped. They call a specialist

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Speaker 2: I know exactly what that is.

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Speaker 4: That's just love it. I love it. It's like, damn it, Jim.

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Speaker 4: I'm a neurosurgeon, not a helmanthologist, which is the word

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Speaker 4: for a study of worms.

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Speaker 3: Nematods can typically be microscopic as well, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And even nematodes come in all shapes and sizes. There's

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Speaker 2: the Atlas of Living Australia. So maybe search that. You

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Speaker 4: hellmanthology in specific is the study of parasitic worms, so

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Speaker 4: hashtag not all worms.

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Speaker 2: Even more specific and even better for this story, ben perfect.

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Speaker 2: So this thing is called in Opeta Scaris Robert. See

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, who is either a genius helmonthologist or a

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but this thing, this Roberts. It's a round

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Speaker 2: Yes, there are theories, okay, okay. So kind of similarly

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Speaker 2: of like spinach. It's what it's been compared to in

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Speaker 2: somehow interacted with grass that had this stuff shed on it,

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Speaker 2: or potentially it transferred some kind of egg right to

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Speaker 3: Again, it's Cronenberg body horror stuff right here.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, and it would explain why she had

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Speaker 2: and something's wrong. It started probably in her system somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: We returned with more strange news this time and old favorites.

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Speaker 3: An old favorite, A blast from the past, one of

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Speaker 3: a microphone that you know, can record sounds underwater, and

431
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Speaker 3: they're really pricey. Like there, it's not something that just

432
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: like a you know, an enthusiast would probably want to

433
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: invest in there like thousands of dollars for a good one.

434
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Speaker 3: It's actually something that's used a lot in electronic music

435
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Speaker 3: communities to make Yeah, you could drop an alka selser

436
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: like a like a mentos into you know, a thing

437
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: and makes crazy sounds.

438
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Speaker 2: Well in the Office of Naval Intelligence.

439
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 4: Yes, Also that's one hundred unrelated but very important. Do

440
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 4: you need to worry about cryptids that more than likely

441
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: don't exist, or do you need to worry about animals

442
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: that are very real and are incredibly threatened. I'm thinking

443
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 4: of cetaceans, I'm thinking of whales. People tell you they

444
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 4: don't know much about the life cycle of whales, and

445
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: that is somewhat bullsh to be completely honest, the massive,

446
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Speaker 4: the massive amount of signaling that goes out through the

447
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 4: maritime environment of this planet. It's screwing over whales. That's

448
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: that's basically it. Imagine someone continually screaming strange things into

449
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: your ear. That's what's happening. Hydrophones are awesome, but hydrophones

450
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 4: are picking up stuff that is bad for whales. The

451
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory, just to sew it up real quick, is

452
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Speaker 4: that the investigation into the life cycle these beautiful creatures

453
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: is somewhat stymied by geopolitical security concerns.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, and also those sounds that you're talking about

455
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: ben that are interfering with whale communication. It does seem

456
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: to have finally driven some of them mad, or at

457
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: the very least just they're sick and tired of it,

458
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: and they are revolting, not as in like they're gross,

459
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: they're revolting against humans. We've obviously covered multiple whale instances

460
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Speaker 3: of Orca's menacing boats and other animals that are kind

461
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: of saying enough is enough, humans, get off our collective lawn.

462
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: But Yeah, the quote from Alan McKenna once again about

463
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: the missed opportunity was this, we did hear something, he said.

464
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: We heard four distinctive glops glops. We all got a

465
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Speaker 3: bit excited, ran to make sure the recorder was on

466
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Speaker 3: and it wasn't plugged in show like next time.

467
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: It does remind me of the bloop that we've talked

468
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Speaker 2: about before on the show.

469
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: Is that the same as the what's the other one?

470
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: The pang?

471
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Now the there's another sound, the woosh? The deep sea?

472
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: Am I thinking of the deep sea bloop?

473
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: Is most likely a very low register shifting of ice plates.

474
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they say.

475
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: Rights. It's Catulhu or the basis of the Katulhu legends,

476
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: which were written in nearly nineteen hundreds by a problematic guy.

477
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: But do you also another famous conspiracy sound that has

478
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: a funny name that I'm totally spacing on right now.

479
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: But the panged so familiar.

480
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Speaker 3: It'll come to me when I don't care anymore. But yeah,

481
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Speaker 3: I don't know. What do you guys think, Like, is

482
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: this all just you know, do you think there's true

483
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: believers out there? Do you think it's a mix of

484
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Speaker 3: just folks that wanted to have a little, you know,

485
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Speaker 3: day on the lock and do some people are bringing

486
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: owns out? Apparently the weather was quite bad, but it

487
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: still did occur. If they're ever going to find it,

488
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: it's going to be now. I guess it is one

489
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: of those things where it's sort of like, if they

490
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: haven't found it yet, why and we've we've asked, we've

491
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 3: asked and sort of answered that question. There certainly are

492
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Speaker 3: places for things to scurry away and avoid being detected,

493
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Speaker 3: but it just seems very unlikely that if something that

494
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: large did exist, that it wouldn't have been discovered or

495
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: you know, there'd be proof by now A pliosaur is,

496
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: isn't that one of the theories.

497
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: That Mays's, Yeah, that was the most popular for a

498
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Speaker 4: long time, the idea being that in the formation of

499
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Speaker 4: what becomes the modern locks or lakes in Scotland uh

500
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: and then also in Ireland, uh, the that there was

501
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: some population that managed to get there and reproduce successfully

502
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: while the land change. The problem is, from what folks

503
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: know about this, there doesn't seem to be a likely

504
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: There doesn't seem to be a likely way that those

505
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Speaker 4: creatures at that time could have gotten into this place

506
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: and survived. However, to answer your your earlier question from

507
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: a minutes so ago, like the the idea of searching

508
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: for it, Yeah, man, they're true believers out there, and yeah,

509
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: there are people who are just having a fun time.

510
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: That's a cool idea for a hangout time with your friends.

511
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: And also there's the non zero chance that we learn

512
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Speaker 4: something interesting. I think that's so cool. I'm so fox

513
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: Mulder about it.

514
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Speaker 2: No, I think you're on the right track. In the

515
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: articles like for Reuters that were in about this, they

516
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Speaker 2: discuss how there's some students who chose to write their

517
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Speaker 2: essay on this particular thing. Right, So not only are

518
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: they looking for NeSSI on this day, they're discovering history, right,

519
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: They're what other kinds.

520
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Speaker 3: Of learning about the ecosystem?

521
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Exactly the things you discover by searching for or encrypted,

522
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: I think are they're plentiful and probably priceless.

523
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: Transfer.

524
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the real monster was the friends we made along

525
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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think that that that that gets us

528
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Speaker 3: wrapped for this one. Let's take a quick break here

529
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Speaker 3: we're from our sponsor and uh and come back with

530
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Speaker 3: one more piece of strange news.

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Speaker 4: We have returned, and this is a bit of an

532
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Speaker 4: update on an earlier strange News segment. As you may

533
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 4: recall longtime fellow conspiracy realist, there has been for a

534
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: number of years a somewhat sketchy company buying up a

535
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Speaker 4: lot of land in California, land that is adjacent to

536
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Speaker 4: a place called Travis Air Force Bace. Travis Air Force

537
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: Space is a big deal, and this land, which is

538
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: a bit northeast of the San Francisco Bay area, is

539
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: also the kind of land you would ignore normally. It

540
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 4: is what is called fallow farmland, meaning that it is

541
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Speaker 4: appropriate for growing stuff, but often people aren't growing things there.

542
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: So in our previous conversation previously on stuff they don't

543
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Speaker 4: want you to know, we sorry, Matt I.

544
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Speaker 2: Had a question about fallow just because in my head, again, guys,

545
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Speaker 2: all of my knowledge comes from MTG vocabulary. In my head,

546
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: fallow would mean like you can't grow on it. But

547
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: it's but it's also like it just it could be

548
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Speaker 2: potentially just nobody's been using it for that is that's right.

549
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: Fallow is like a recovery period for the soil. So

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Speaker 4: if you you know, depending on what you grow from

551
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: the land, it may take certain nutrients, right, and that

552
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: would mean that you cannot reasonably grow the same sort

553
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: of crop continually over time. So with that idea, the

554
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: concept is it's not as though you know a La

555
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: pet cemetery, the soil is sa. It's more that, yeah,

556
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: it's more right. It's more that it's more that you're saying,

557
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: we want to grow this thing and we can't always

558
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: grow it. And there's a lot of old technology around this.

559
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: In Native American culture. You got the three sisters, right,

560
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: these three different crops one can grow simultaneously in a

561
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: way that allows the land to always grow. So anyway

562
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: that stuff aside, there's this fallow farmland. There's this shady

563
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: outfit that was based in Delaware is based in Delaware

564
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Speaker 4: called Flannery Associates, and they bought fifty five thousand acres

565
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Speaker 4: of mainly farmland, yeah, in northern California. And we were

566
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Speaker 4: asking who is this and I actually I reached out

567
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: to some folks offline who didn't know, and some of

568
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: their guesses were because of the Air Force base. They

569
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Speaker 4: were saying, possibly this is someone who is a former military,

570
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: former USAF or something and they know something the public doesn't,

571
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Speaker 4: so they're leveraging insider info, which happens all the time.

572
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Speaker 2: Or like is it just the base or somebody representing

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Speaker 2: the base, like trying to expand the crap out of it,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: Right without spooking out the hoy paloi and the folks

576
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Speaker 4: living around the area. What we learned is that this

577
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Speaker 4: group is backed by Silicon Valley investors, like a guy

578
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: who is like venture capitalists, the guy who founded LinkedIn

579
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: all these dudes. The point person for this is a

580
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: guy named Yan Sravik thirty six years old, used to

581
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 4: work for Goldman Sachs and oh yeah, yeah, so a

582
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Speaker 4: few years back, this guy I began looking for investors

583
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Speaker 4: and saying some of the same things that we've said

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Speaker 4: on this show about the challenges faced by San Francisco.

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00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 4: Right is geographically bound, you know. It is wrestling within equality,

586
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: it's wrestling within stability. You can live pretty well if

587
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Speaker 4: you make one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year

588
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: in most parts of the United States, but San Francisco

589
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: is just not one of those parts. It certainly is not.

590
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Speaker 4: And so the idea here is that this codeer Ee

591
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: or this cabal of folks are going to start their

592
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: new city, you know what I mean, like Bender in Futurama.

593
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 4: We'll do our own thing, you know, with blackjack and

594
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: other stuff. So Flannery Associates wants to build an entirely

595
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Speaker 4: new city in this area. And they say, we're going

596
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 4: to have orchards there, We're gonna have solar energy farms,

597
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna have tens upon thousands of new homes, and

598
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: we're gonna have parks, We're gonna have open space. Can

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00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: now that the news has gone public, I think, with

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Speaker 4: the permission of the very wealthy people who are planning this,

601
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Speaker 4: you can read about it in a great piece by

602
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: the Verge, a great piece by the Guardian, a great

603
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 4: piece by San Francisco Gate or SFGate as it's called.

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00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: They had, oh and Wall Street Journal, if you read

605
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal. They got in trouble because they were

606
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Speaker 4: coming up to these folks, these folks who owned this farmland.

607
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Speaker 4: And even if those folks weren't trying to sell this

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Speaker 4: flattery Associates group would come in through a fixer and

609
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: they would say what's your price, And a lot of

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00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: times people would say, what have you got? And that's

611
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: what happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, some landowners were getting I'm seeing reported been this.

613
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Speaker 2: Some people were getting like twice the amount of money

614
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Speaker 2: their land was worth, three times the amount it was worth.

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00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent they were. And then there was

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Speaker 4: also Flannery is getting sued with out or getting hit

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Speaker 4: with allegations that they were engaging in price fixing. There

618
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: are counter lawsuits we hear where people are saying they

619
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Speaker 4: were Essentially they felt like they were being intimidated or

620
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: forced into selling their stuff. And now we know that

621
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Speaker 4: the concept here is to for lack of a better phrase,

622
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Speaker 4: and I'm just freestyling. They want to build a better

623
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Speaker 4: San Francisco. And with that in mind, I have to

624
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: ask you, guys, what do you think good idea.

625
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 3: About it that are San Francisco like that regular people

626
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: can afford? What do you think that one person's utopia

627
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: as a person's dystopia, I would argue, I don't know, seems.

628
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: Sus I'm just looking at the area from above, so

629
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Speaker 2: just on Google maps here if you must know, I'm

630
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: sure San Francisco, you know, right there like a peninsula

631
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Speaker 2: hanging out, chilling, doing its thing, all the water around it.

632
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: That's looking good. Now I'm coming up to Fairfield a

633
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: little bit northeast or to look in at this this

634
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Speaker 2: land that, at least from the sky on the satellite

635
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Speaker 2: doesn't look that exciting.

636
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's not very green, it's not desert. It's really just

638
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: kind of in between somewhere, and I don't know, I

639
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: can't imagine that being the next, you know, technology hub.

640
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 4: It's a fixer you know what I mean, It's a

641
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: fixer upper. Here's here's where it gets incredibly interesting. Is

642
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: the primary goal truly to build a utopian city on

643
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: a hill right like the Puritans of old? Or is

644
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: this a way of securing access to resources that will

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00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 4: be more important in the future, for instance, water rights?

646
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Speaker 4: Is there some tasty groundwater, fossil water under there, or

647
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 4: the rights to distribute that water, or is there maybe

648
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: some amount of rare earth materials that will be suddenly

649
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: affordable to extract once environmental regulations get further destabilized. This

650
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: is all speculation, right, and this is all This is

651
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: all stuff that is in play, but it's not proven.

652
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: It's like the idea that NeSSI is real, you know

653
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Speaker 4: what I mean, it's cool to think about it.

654
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Speaker 2: This isn't some kind of scheme like the billionaire thing

655
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Speaker 2: to have. What is it altruism, with effective altruism one

656
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Speaker 2: of those things.

657
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Speaker 4: There be like a business.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't that is They're saying. This is for

659
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Speaker 2: just regular old human beings to come and live and prosper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The idea is that you too can be part

661
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Speaker 4: of the dream. And the idea is that with their

662
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: massive business expertise, this group represented by Flannery Associates, will

663
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Speaker 4: be able to from the ground up rethink everything about

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Speaker 4: a city. So they'll say, look, we we have lessons

665
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Speaker 4: learned from San Francisco's approach to crime or San Francisco's

666
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: approach to the unhoused, so we can figure out a

667
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Speaker 4: new way and a lot of Silicon Valley luminaries are

668
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: all about figuring out a new way. Quote unquote, I'll

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Speaker 4: never forget the time. I'll never forget the time. It

670
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: looked like some guys, let me give you this pitch

671
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: because it was hilarious. There was some guys guys who said, hey,

672
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: we all know our neighborhood has some work to do.

673
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: And what we're thinking is, instead of you know, bowing

674
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: before these municipalities that don't represent us, what if we

675
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: started a thing where everybody in the community put in

676
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: some amount of money and then we collectively use that

677
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: to fix problems in our community. And these guys, I

678
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 4: swear to God, did not know they had accidentally reinvented taxes.

679
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Speaker 2: Are also like communism kind of yeah, yeah, you remember

680
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: when those guys invented that new drink that was supposed

681
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: to give you all your nutrients and they named it after.

682
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: Soilent green as people.

683
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: They didn't even make it people though. It's just like

684
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of amino acids and omoni mill.

685
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Speaker 3: But also soilent on itself just makes me think of

686
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: soiling oneself. That is what that brings to mind every

687
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: time I hear soilent. I don't understand what they're going

688
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: for with that, but it seems to be very popular.

689
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Speaker 3: It is, I don't get it.

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Speaker 4: There's also fuel, get it human fuel or manti.

691
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Speaker 3: My favorite is the thing they serve in prisons, neutral loaf.

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Speaker 3: You always point that one out, Ben, It's just a

693
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Speaker 3: good it's good branding that you wouldn't think would be

694
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Speaker 3: worth the time to brand something that's only served in prison.

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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 4: Sohow these folks spent hundreds of millions of dollars We're

696
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 4: talking like north of eight hundred million dollars getting all

697
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: this land and then it goes into the idea of

698
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: your time horizon. Right. So one of the reasons that

699
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: the wealthiest entities in terms of real estate are so

700
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 4: wealthy is that if you are and I know this

701
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: will sound old school conspiratorial, and I've been getting a

702
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: lot of pressure not to use the sea word anymore,

703
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: but this is true. The Crown of the United Kingdom, right,

704
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: the Catholic Church, they're real estate giants because they can

705
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: lose money for decades, right, they can hold on to

706
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: something at a loss for centuries, And most entities, individuals,

707
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: or institutions are simply not capable of doing that. Flannery

708
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: Associates probably is so they can hold on to this

709
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: land for a fallow period, whether that's economical or agricultural,

710
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: and then they can be there when it matters, right. So,

711
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like, hey, I've looked into a little

712
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: bit of the consideration for what is often called a

713
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 4: utopian city. I don't know if I quite like the phrase,

714
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 4: you guys, because the word utopia inherently means something that

715
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: cannot exist, it is too perfect to exist. But if

716
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: they can build a city that is equitable, if they

717
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: can help people, maybe it'll work. It Just it smells

718
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: like a company town to me. It smells like some

719
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 4: other attempts top down in past civilizations and they didn't

720
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: work out well.

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Speaker 3: And doesn't a utopia or you know, in any form again,

722
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Speaker 3: to your point, it's more of like a thought experiment

723
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: than a real thing. Doesn't it usually involve some amount

724
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: of exclusion, you know, of types of people or perhaps

725
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: certain races, certain people of economic strata. I don't know.

726
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: For some reason, in my mind, utopia always has a

727
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: sinister undertone to it because of the fact that it

728
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: usually is kind of eugenic in some way. I don't know,

729
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just my sci fi brain.

730
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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you.

731
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Speaker 4: It makes sense because, you know, it conjures fears of

732
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: technocracy gone wrong. So technocracy is the idea that there

733
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: is a cadre of very talented and successful technical people,

734
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: engineers and so on, who are able to use their

735
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: scientific understanding to create a better civilization. The problem with

736
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: that is it naturally leads into it naturally leads into

737
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: what we could call libertarianism gone wild. You know what

738
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: I mean. I don't want I don't know about you, guys.

739
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure we're on the same page, all of

740
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 4: us listening tonight. I don't think we want a country

741
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 4: where someone can be born into a tier of citizen,

742
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Imagine going into the city

743
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: right and you can unlock premium citizenship, you know what

744
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: I mean, Or you're born with signature citizenship or citizenship plus.

745
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: This kind of stuff opens the door for it. I mean,

746
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: right now, they're running into you know, the natural barriers,

747
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 4: not just the people who don't want to sell their property,

748
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 4: but they're also running into questions about pre existing municipalities.

749
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: And this makes us think of the reedy Creek Improvement District.

750
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because Disney Disney did it right.

751
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, guys. I think I'm drinking the

752
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: soil in on this one. I think I want in.

753
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: I want premium citizenship. Let's go blayers, Yeah, let's do this.

754
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: And I'm really interested in other things, other projects that

755
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: are supposedly like this, like the line in Saudi Arabia. Yeah,

756
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: I know that it's probably far fetched that it actually

757
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: works out in any way similar to how it's being

758
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: projected right in the same way, if you get a

759
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: deck for a new podcast, it's all shiny and it's like,

760
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: this is what it's going to be. It's going to

761
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: be incredible, and the thing in the end is like

762
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: eighty five to ninety percent of like how pristine that was.

763
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: That's I mean, I'm being honest, Like there's almost always

764
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: that way.

765
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: It's the pictures of Taco Bell food.

766
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yeah, so it's never gonna be the

767
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: way it looks. But if we don't strive or let

768
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: people with you know, ambition and money, strive to make

769
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: improvements on things like what the heck are we going

770
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: to do? Just be okay with the crap.

771
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: That we got to quote Scottish poet going back to

772
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 4: luckdust that love Robert Burns NaN's reach must exceed as

773
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: grasp or else what's a heaven for?

774
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: There you go.

775
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: But don't you think there's just kind of a general

776
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: malaise or maybe not malays distrust towards these technocrats. Yeah

777
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: there maybe gives pause to things. Yeah, yeah, making so.

778
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: We have some questions here, and perhaps we will do

779
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: an episode on this in the future, but for now,

780
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: we are living in a time when history is being made.

781
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: We know real estate is very sensitive in the US

782
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 4: and the world. We also know I think we should

783
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: do an episode on how of all things, private insurance

784
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: companies are trying to warn people about climate change in

785
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: the worst possible way, but they're doing their best. I

786
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 4: suggest we pause for now, and we will absolutely will

787
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: absolutely do an update if someone finds NeSSI we will.

788
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: We're absolutely going to learn more about worms in the brain, Matt.

789
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: We didn't even talk about whether some sort of alteration

790
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 4: of ambient temperature may have something may have allowed that

791
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: nematode egg to enter into a human body in a

792
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: way that it happened before. Because pythons are native to Australia,

793
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 4: I believe right, So people have run around and met

794
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: those eggs before. I don't know, maybe it's a lottery anyway,

795
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: So we're going to call it an evening. We're out

796
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 4: to activigate and to call our friends at Flannery Associates.

797
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: See how they're one hundred and fifty million dollar lawsuit

798
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 4: against against those farmers are going And in the meantime,

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