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Speaker 3: Well, if everybody, welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, Chris Raybon. And this is part two of

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Speaker 3: our twenty twenty five NFC Win Totals episode, where we're

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Speaker 3: gonna cover win totals, Super Bowl odds futures for every

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Speaker 3: team in the NFC South and the NFC West. Be

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Speaker 3: sure to check out parts one and two of our

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Speaker 3: AFC Win Totals episodes, which are already out, as well

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Speaker 3: as Part one for the NFC where we cover the

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Speaker 3: NFC East and North. Here with me to break it down,

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Speaker 3: none other than the Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation, Stucky Stuck.

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Speaker 3: The last of these four parts of our marathon recording session.

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Speaker 2: How you feeling our four baby, Let's get into the

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Speaker 2: NFC West and the NFC South. Maybe probably ruffle some

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Speaker 2: feathers going under on Detroit, Philly, and Washington on the

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Speaker 2: first part of the NFC. I don't have as many

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Speaker 2: hot takes, but no Saint Super Bowl features coming here,

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Speaker 2: but interesting divisions one the less. Let's get into it, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, We's actually start with the South.

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Speaker 3: So let's keep it going the same order that we've

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Speaker 3: been So NFC South Tampa Bay, the favorite nine and

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Speaker 3: a half wins thirty five to one Super Bowl odds. Remember,

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Speaker 3: forty to one or less has been the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: winner entering the season in each of the past twenty

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Speaker 3: three seasons, going back to twenty two when the NFL

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Speaker 3: went to thirty two teams. So Sampa Bay is the

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Speaker 3: only team in the NFC South reaches a thresholder even

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Speaker 3: money to win the division. Then you got Atlanta seven

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Speaker 3: and a half wins, Carolina at six and a half,

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Speaker 3: only other team that's better than one hundred to one

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Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl. They're at seventy five to one

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Speaker 3: plus to forty for the Division, Panthers four to one

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Speaker 3: for the Division, Saints ten to one. Start with Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: This team has been ever since that the last five years.

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Speaker 3: You know, when they got Brady won Super Bowl with him,

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Speaker 3: they kind of survived his fall off season still made

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. Team has made the playoffs in five straight years.

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Speaker 3: I think they've gotten a lot better managed. They seem

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Speaker 3: kind of let Todd Bowles be Todd Bowles and Coast defense,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's my biggest concern is stuck is

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Speaker 3: William Cohen was just so good. We talked about him

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Speaker 3: and for the you know, I love the Jaguars and

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Speaker 3: you like their upside as well, you know, but we

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Speaker 3: also thought Canallis was great and then you know, Cone

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Speaker 3: comes and just really they just really smashed. Now you've

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Speaker 3: got Josh Grizzard. Is that the biggest concern.

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Speaker 1: With the Bucks or what do you think with them?

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Speaker 1: Nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: I see a pretty big gap between between them and

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Speaker 3: any other team in this division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, team I could never figure out last year and

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Speaker 2: one possession games. They were much better than I thought

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Speaker 2: I said a Bucky Irving could be an X factor

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Speaker 2: I still have a great deal on them. The Cohen

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Speaker 2: Bucks twenty eighth in scheduled difficulty per my numbers, so

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Speaker 2: Not really with their defense. Can I see the Saints? No?

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Speaker 2: They don't really do much else other than that, other

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Speaker 2: I think they're poorly run. But yeah, I think if

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Speaker 2: I had a guess, bucks finished ten and seven win

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing for me here.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I do think the Bucks are the best team

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Speaker 1: I think Pennix is the guy. I still don't.

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Speaker 3: Think I'm one hundred have like one hundred percent of

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Speaker 3: my opinion for him. I gotta go back and watch

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Speaker 2: It's definitely better than whatever Cousins was doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but it could be a lot better.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, and that's what stops me from

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Speaker 3: The best case scenario for Atlanta and Carolina not even

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Speaker 1: I'm both, you know, and they.

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Speaker 2: Basically running it back and I kind of like the draft,

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Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, it could be the upside is what

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Speaker 3: I said, I think Panics does have some considerable upside.

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Speaker 1: We run, but they what do they do? They kind

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Speaker 3: For this year with that trade back into the first round.

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Speaker 3: Are they gonna have an ed rush stuck?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just makes now that Panics is going

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Speaker 2: Like if you had to argue who, like you could

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Speaker 2: They drafted this to plug this need. Like the hardest

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Speaker 2: just saying, like if you wanted to like just dig

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Speaker 1: That was another masterful defensive game plan. Though, like I

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Speaker 2: out there to play Devil's advocate. But Falcons kind of

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Speaker 2: they are. They are like I project them at eight.

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Speaker 2: They went totals like seven point eight. I don't know

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Speaker 2: It's gonna come down to Penix. I kind of want

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Speaker 2: And it's just going to come down to Penix. But

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Speaker 2: I'm close to market. It's nothing for me on the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agreed.

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Speaker 3: I think this division is it's it's a really tough

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Speaker 3: but there's just such a wide range of outcomes with

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Speaker 3: You're and the camaras you know, getting out there an

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Speaker 3: They are kind of well hanging fruit down there at

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Speaker 2: The offensive line has some upside. They had injuries last year,

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Speaker 2: By the way, I think Shuck might be older than

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Speaker 3: Shuck, Yeah, yeah, ratards only twenty five. Here's twenty six

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Speaker 1: Not the greatest.

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Speaker 2: This team stinks, like what don't I don't I mean

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Speaker 2: We already know Rattler and hain is that this roster

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Speaker 2: But not for me. I mean, I project, like it's

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Speaker 2: nothing for me. That team. I need need to just

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Speaker 3: Ten that coaching staff. The best players are like either

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Speaker 2: So it's a boy isn't running a team anymore. I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, the quarterback situation just I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 3: but I have to seeing him play, I think it's

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Speaker 3: not No, it's not it. It's not happening for him.

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Speaker 3: And then shuck is he could be He could be

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Speaker 3: he's still not a great roster. Still don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm just like.

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Speaker 2: I'm tempted by it. I was. I'm telling you I

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Speaker 2: was tempted by the over Like I'm I'm right on

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Speaker 2: I'm a point, yeah, the market, but like they haven't

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Speaker 2: you're like, you're the road games, aren't You're gonna have Carolina,

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Speaker 2: a lot of like moving parts and a lot I

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Speaker 2: And then what are you getting from Penix? Like that's

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Speaker 3: This is one where you got to pay attention to,

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you and find a non Bucks team

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Speaker 3: Win the division, you know you're getting at quite three

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Speaker 3: plus one sixty for the division, so wide open number two.

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00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: The Rams nine and a half plus one eighty for

435
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: the division. Then come the Cardinals on the Seahawks. Cardinals

436
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: at eight and a half wins about even on both sides.

437
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: Seahawks seven and a half, heavily juiced to the over

438
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: some more like an eight flat in terms of Super

439
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: Bowl adds. You got the Niners at sixteen to one

440
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: and the Rams at twenty to one. Those are the

441
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: two teams that fall within that threshold of forty to one.

442
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: Every team has been forty to one or shorter that's

443
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl since two thousand and two, and

444
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: the NFL went to thirty two teams divisions for the

445
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 3: Cardinals and Seahawks plus four twenty five plus five fifty.

446
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: Now I think it'll start with the Niners.

447
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: The interesting thing about the Niners is understanding, and they

448
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: either seem to have a healthy year where they just

449
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: completely smash and go to the Super Bowl or right

450
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: or everyone's hurt and they finished weast.

451
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: So this is like a team.

452
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: They have the easiest schedule in the league according to

453
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: my metrics. But I think I still think the only

454
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 3: thing you can really do with San Francisco is upside.

455
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: Still a lot of question marks on this roster, But

456
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 3: how do you see there was more I think significant turnover,

457
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: you know, this year with the Niners roster than some

458
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: other years past.

459
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: What do you think of the changes.

460
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: Major turnover, worst free agent deficit and NFL history, So

461
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: the amount of money that they paid for free agents

462
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: compared to the amount of money that other teams paid

463
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: for theirs worst deficit. They lost a lot of guys

464
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: that were paid by other teams. But there's a lot

465
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: of things that were pointing up, like last year two

466
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: and six in one possession games. They their special teams

467
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: were a disaster. Brought in a new special teams coach there.

468
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: Special teams were as bad as you could possibly be.

469
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: Cost them a lot of those close games. The injuries,

470
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: they were the most injured team in the league, led

471
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: the league in AGL top through their bottom three in

472
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: both offense and defense in that department, and they have

473
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 2: the easiest schedule in the NFL. They don't play anybody

474
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: off of buy from a rest perspective, their net plus

475
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: thirty three days compared to last year that is where

476
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: they had bought it. They had one of the five

477
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: hardest schedules last year, now they had the easiest. All

478
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: these things are pointing up, but the roster definitely has

479
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: question marks because of all that they lost compared to

480
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: what they brought in, Like you know, you brought in

481
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: Huff Nick Martin, you know, and you lost guys like

482
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: green Law, Hu Funga, Bargrave, Deebo, Floyd, Ward Banks, Collins,

483
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: like you lost a lot. The defense worries me. There

484
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: are there's major question marks on this defense across the board.

485
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna need something from their rookies. So

486
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: hopefully the Niners drafted well because Mikel Williams and Upton

487
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: Stout and I'm a big up in Stout guy. I

488
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: loved him in college. Now his size is concerning. That's

489
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: gonna be the question of whether or not he translates.

490
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: But they're gonna need something from I think you said,

491
00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: if they get something from Stout, then like everything else,

492
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: starts to fall into place a little better in their secondary.

493
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: You know you can because I like what I've seen

494
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: from Ernardo Green and Leonore. You know, the safety, there's

495
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: some inconsistency, some injury questions. The linebacker, they're definitely not

496
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: as good. Defensive line, they're definitely not as good. But

497
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Mikel Williams can help in that department. But their defense

498
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: is definitely concerned. You like this defense, but do you

499
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: have Salah who I trust the defensive coordinator, so that

500
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: I think that was a good hire. The offensive line, Uh,

501
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: you know left guard. I'm surprised they didn't really address

502
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: that and in the draft, but you know, I like Pooney,

503
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: your tackle should be fine, Brenda's okay at center. The

504
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: weapons comes down to, like is mccathry gonna be healthy

505
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: and stay healthy? Are you when does he come back?

506
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: And if he's not fully healthy, can you get something

507
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: from calling and hearing some good things about how he's

508
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: looked lately? Pierce All, I mean, literally everything went off

509
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: with the Forts and Piersoll got shot. So Piercell is

510
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: not gonna deal with that this offseason. But you're gonna

511
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: need something from one of those guys. But like just

512
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: everything is pointing up with them, but there's now more

513
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: roster questions, so I want to buy them. But I

514
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: ended up like right at ten point five, ten point six.

515
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't hate your idea of buying the upside on

516
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. It can't get much worse than

517
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: last year. Like you want to talk about bounce back

518
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: when it comes to close games, injuries, schedule, all that,

519
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: it's pointing up. It's just there's a lot of questions

520
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: on this defense and then wide receiver. Some things need

521
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: to shake out. But you know, generally can trust an

522
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: So I don't mind buying some upside on the forty

523
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: nine Ers.

524
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I want a super Bowl ticket with

525
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: them in the NFC. Uh. If you went back at the.

526
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: Past eight Super Bowls, so from that twenty you know,

527
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: seventeen Chiefs, excuse me, twenty seventeen Patriots, Eagles super Bowl

528
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: past eight years. The only teams you've seen in the

529
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: Super Bowl Tom Brady's team, whether it be the Patriots

530
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: or the Bucks, the Eagles, the Chiefs, one one Bengals

531
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: year and the only the other only other two teams

532
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: are the Rams and the forty nine Ers. Rams won one,

533
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: forty nine Er has been to two, didn't win any.

534
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: But I want Super Bowl tickets on both of those teams.

535
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: Those are the teams I think, if you know, if

536
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: we think Philly Detroit, you know, may not quite live

537
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: up to the height this year based on a variety

538
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: of factors. Uh, these I still think these are the

539
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: two teams you know coach quarterback with enough around them

540
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, Brock Purdy seems like no

541
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: matter who what receivers he has, he's averaged like eight

542
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: and a half yards in attempt even I mean even

543
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: last year when he had some dreadful games, at the

544
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: end of the season, numbers still look pretty decent. So yeah,

545
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: I went upside of the Niners. Robert Sawa, I think,

546
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: probably the best defensive coordinator they've had in a few years.

547
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: I mean they were going through Wilkes and Sorenson and

548
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: Shanahan's also I think he got an offensive coordator now

549
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: who we have to kind of take some take some

550
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: of the delegate, delegate some of the responsibilities, and I

551
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: think that's the thing with Shannony and we know he's

552
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: a brilliant mind, but it seemed like too much was

553
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: kind of you know, getting swept under the rug, Like

554
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: the special teams was so bad, and just like he was,

555
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: the overall team wasn't managed as well as it could

556
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: last year, I think. So I think they've made some

557
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: positive changes there, new.

558
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Special teams, couch too, like that can't get much worse.

559
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the offensive line still be pretty solid. Just

560
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: Trent passed the old up like where I saw a

561
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about pearceoll but didya from Jennings. If

562
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: McCaffrey plays you know anything more than you know he's

563
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: played four games last year, if you get a.

564
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Their first four running backs were hurt down their fifth

565
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: string running back at one point.

566
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean a lot of still a lot

567
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: of upside here. And then in the draft, I mean

568
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: you drafted eight players in the top one sixty five

569
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: on five in the top one thirteen on defense, So

570
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: if that's the question markcause again, Perty seems to be

571
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: fine whatever receivers and if McCaffrey's back or whoever. I mean,

572
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: they tend to run the ball well too, no matter

573
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: who the back is. So really, I think the defense

574
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: is the bigger concern. And you've got Sola back, and

575
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: you got you know, five five guys in the top

576
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: one thirteen. You know, you got Williams, you got Collins.

577
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: Collins plug he should be able to be plugged in

578
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: there and reliable guy help with the run day they.

579
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Could get contributions.

580
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: That are all all those guys, I mean, all those

581
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: guys they drafted, you know, like Martin even.

582
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Uh yeah I'm not sure on Martin, but.

583
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they drafted him in the third round.

584
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's I mean is uh he's I would

585
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: imagine he's going to start.

586
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: At least got the chance to Yeah, I'm saying there's

587
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: upside there. And then like as opposed to remember last

588
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: I think it was last was it last year? It

589
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: was the year BEFO when they had like that horrible

590
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: draft where they actually like a kicker and that that

591
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: was last year, right when they drafted like a kicker

592
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: and they didn't have any like first or second round picks,

593
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: and then they had like a kicker and just yeah,

594
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: like I like their draft a lot more. I think

595
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: he gives him a lot more upside given you have

596
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: an efficient quarterback.

597
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: You have that's twenty twenty three when they drafted the

598
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: movie oh yeah, under pick and he's been horrendous, horrendous.

599
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, he lost me a bet last year.

600
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: I remember that.

601
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: Uh but yeah, but my point is draft a lot

602
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: of upside. Uh, A fishing quarterback coach that's ceiling has

603
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: been at least a Super Bowl appearance, best defense probably

604
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: their best defensive coordinator if you go back, you know,

605
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: look at their history. Easiest schedule in the league and

606
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: Trent Williams is still Roland McCaffrey made upside for more

607
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: than four games. Yeah, I think I think you got

608
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: to take this team upside, I don't. I don't love

609
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: the division even though it's you know, it's plus one

610
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: sixty and because I do think the Rams have upside too.

611
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Now the issue with the.

612
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: Rams, I think is for the red flag, I should

613
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: say Stafford's age. Uh, you know, they haven't had as

614
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: much success like with these veteran receivers, like did they

615
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: is it a year two? Wait on DeVante remember Alan Robinson,

616
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: Like they don't always make the right bets with these

617
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: receivers of these veteran guys. But the upside is DeVante

618
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: Adams is still DeVante Adams.

619
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Stafford Stafford is still Stafford.

620
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: He played under.

621
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Pressure for an old guy down to stretch too. Like

622
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: I was pleasantly surprised with Stafford's play.

623
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: Even outdoors in Philly, right, that was really impressive to me.

624
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: At the end of the year. Yeah.

625
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: So the one thing is, I mean, they did overperform

626
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: their Catagorn wins by two, but but that like the

627
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: kind of punted weeks O week eighteen. So I'm not

628
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 3: going to hold them, you know, hold that against them

629
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: too much. So yeah, again, last eight years, it's been

630
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: McVeigh or, Shanahan, Tom Brady, Chiefs Eagles and one one

631
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: another straggle in the in the Bengals making Super Bowl.

632
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: So I think you think you want to have tickets

633
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: on the Rams and Nines regardless of you know, what

634
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: you think about the division or the win totals.

635
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: I think the way to bet both of these teams upside.

636
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the Rams? They just won't

637
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: add for them too.

638
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: They were in a tough spot a couple of years ago,

639
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: and they've been drafting really well and managing the roster

640
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: really well. You got to give a lot of credit

641
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: to Less and McVeigh. If the secondary still worries me,

642
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: that would be my biggest concern, and then death across

643
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: the board because of the position that they've been in.

644
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: There's some positions where like they just can't afford injuries

645
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: or clusters. It gets bleaked very quickly. But I like

646
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: some of it's just the under the radar signings to

647
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: help supplement their their roster. Of like these young defenders

648
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: who have hit and if they hit on the draft

649
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: again with some of their defenders, it's only going to

650
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: continue to thrive. But like bringing in a guy like

651
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: poon Afford, even Nate Lanman at linebacker. I like some

652
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: of those under the radar signings for cheap. And then yeah,

653
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: if Davante and Stafford just you know, Davante is who

654
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: he was a couple of years ago and Stafford doesn't

655
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: fall off, the offense is going to be really good.

656
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: They can stay healthy. Yeah, bringing ferguson, so yeah, they're

657
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: gonna be in the mix for sure. I project them

658
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: nine point eight. Their win totals nine to seven. So

659
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: nothing for me with the Rams. They have the hardest

660
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: schedule the divisions league average schedule, but it's more difficult

661
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: than the Niner, Seahawks and Cardinals.

662
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah you want upside with them, I don't think.

663
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing on the division. Don't hate any upside play

664
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: on the Rams. For sure, could see them making a

665
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: run to the Super Bowl.

666
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's hilariously enough. So I mentioned

667
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: I it's either been like the Chiefs Eagles Brady that

668
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: one Borough year and then like McVeigh shanahan. Well, the

669
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: Rams also have Jimmy g was actually actually one of

670
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: those quarterbacks from these prior Super Bowl. So I mean,

671
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: even if Stafford for some reason goes down, I mean

672
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: this team always because I mean we were making fun

673
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: of them. We were looking at their roster, like the

674
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: defensive wise anywhere, like what the heck are they doing?

675
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: And you know, they've really found some diamonds in the rough.

676
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: So they drafted so well and they needed to. They

677
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: had a ton of picks. Yes, they've hit on just

678
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: so many picks and it saved their franchise legitimately.

679
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can't really count them out, especially upside wise,

681
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: Cardinals eight and a half wins.

682
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I feel like no one ever knows what to do

683
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: with them. They Uh, I have a favorite in seven games.

684
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: I have their win total smack dab at eight five though,

685
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: so I don't really have anything on them, but just

686
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: curious to see your thoughts, Like what do you think

687
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: they're trajectories? I mean, they really went all in on

688
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: uh on defense in the draft.

689
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

690
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: Their offense seem to be fine last year, except that

691
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: I think they plays well as he should have. Yeah,

692
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: like everyone else, I mean you I do you'd have

693
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: a better third receiver than Doors or they Jones.

694
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: Now there will be no dork Greg dork slander on

695
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: this podcast. Please yeah, fair fair Uh Like I like

696
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: the Cardinals this year. I love the staff I love Gannon.

697
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: I think they're going to continue to ascend. I love

698
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: what they did in the offseason for their defense. That

699
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: just addressing the defensive line. They just continue to add

700
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: guys in the second or like, I think their their

701
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: defense has the chance to be above average. Uh we

702
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: were talking like going into lash his team could be

703
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: the worst defense in the league. They do a lot

704
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: of great things schematically. I love a lot of the

705
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: guys that they brought in. They're way more talented now.

706
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: They didn't really lose much from their roster. The offensive

707
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: line is still a little bit of a question, but

708
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm surprised they didn't address it more. They could

709
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: still bring in a veteran but something. They'd be fine.

710
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna be great running the ball. Kyler Murray is

711
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 2: kind of an enigma. They need to get better throwing

712
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: the ball down the field. Like if Harrison could just

713
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: get better and like contested catches and like he looks better.

714
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: He only caught forty two percent of his contested catches.

715
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: That should be higher. He looks better, hearing good things

716
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: about him. If he can just consistently be the guy

717
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: that you know many expected, that would be huge. For

718
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: this offense. And you know, because you already have the

719
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: rushing attack, you already have McBride. You know you have

720
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: Kyler's legs. I love this staff. The defense significantly improved

721
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: by the way theirir schedule, which is manageable because of

722
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: I think they're having like twenty first in schedule difficulty

723
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: little and they start out, you know, you have this

724
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: new defense, start out at New Orleans, Carolina. That's a

725
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: nice way to get your to get just the good

726
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: feelings going yeah and looking I mean indoor team where

727
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: you're at Seattle, Like where are they playing outdoors? And

728
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: weather not not often at Tampa. So yeah, I love

729
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: this staff. I trust this staff. I'm going to be

730
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: investing in the Cardinals somehow. I project eight seven, so

731
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of value in the over I might

732
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: better to make the playoffs division.

733
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: I think makes sense too, because like that, I think

734
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: that's why I don't want to bet on the Rams

735
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: and nine ers that us money, because the Cardinals are

736
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: a threat, and like the Cardinals give me less confidence

737
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 3: to go all the way. I feel like I would

738
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: still trust like the Shanahan you know, Purdy or McVeigh,

739
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: Stafford over Murray and you know.

740
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: But who is petsing? But uh yeah, I mean they

741
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: are what you can border one to win the division.

742
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might split up like some division and make

743
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs on the Cardinals. But this this team is

744
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: definitely ascending. I love a lot of the things that

745
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: they're doing and what Cannon is doing. So yeah, I'll

746
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: be invested in some some Cardinals upside. More to come

747
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: on that later in the year, but I'll probably dabble

748
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: some division and tend to make the playoffs this week.

749
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're plus plus one fifty to make the plus

750
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: one forty five and make the playoffs.

751
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like plus one fifty or better. I can

752
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: find it out that'll shop around.

753
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like uh, I definitely like division.

754
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: Uh at plus they're greater. They're actually better than Florida

755
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: when you can get my plus four teen.

756
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: Is there's downside with the Niners, like the debt, defense,

757
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: the wider c room, and then well who knows they

758
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 2: have like another injured year they have, They have as

759
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: many as anybody. And then the Rams like Stafford and

760
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: Adams like we talked about, so there's some downside there,

761
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: and then Seattle it's uh, I trust their defense. But

762
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: it's Sam Donald behind a shaky offensive line that's that's

763
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: probably not gonna end.

764
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, yeah, Seattle is kind of the I mean

765
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: their win Toto is some some spots. I think I've

766
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: seen a no, no, it's seven and a half heavily

767
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: due to the over. It's like seven, yeah, or eight

768
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: and a half juice to the under sixty to one

769
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: super Bowl Seattle. I mean yeah, Donald kind of exposed himself.

770
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: Milroe should be.

771
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: I mean, if they are, I did, like, you know,

772
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: they're robbed, They're like, all right, didn't work. Now, They're

773
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: they bring in a Kubiak, but they're you know, they

774
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: draft some speed, you know, they go with who's a

775
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: tight end. I'm thinking of Arroyo. I think he's a

776
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: guy that could contribute right away, uh the receiving room.

777
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 3: I mean Jsn even yeah.

778
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: Because.

779
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: He probably is, but he also not I mean he's

780
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: not gonna be asked. Hes not gonna be asked to

781
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: do quite as much. I don't think in this offense.

782
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Jasn is just a monster, So I mean

783
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: Cup can just kind of be there. I mean, he

784
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: can't be any worse than Tyra Lockett rolling down to

785
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: the floor after.

786
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: You gotta remember you don't have Metcalf there now too.

787
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: So I think I think there their wide receiver room

788
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: is worse off, their quarterbacks worse off. Their offensive line

789
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: still has major question marks, like you're probably starting a

790
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: rookie at guard your center all a team. He hasn't

791
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: shown that he can really be a high calbar player

792
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: now he's still young. But you're into your offensive line,

793
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: which is with Donald is not Yeah, that is ideal. Now.

794
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: I trust the defense. I trust Donald in the defense,

795
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: and they should be good. But it's a tough division, man,

796
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: and I think, like you have Stafford, you have you know,

797
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: Perty and Shanahan, and then you have Murray in that

798
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: rushing offense, and then it's like I think, just think

799
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: the odd man out as much telling Don is Donald

800
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: with a shaky offensive line. That's what scares me. With Seattle.

801
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: I project them at eight. So like their wind totals

802
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: like seven point eight, I just have no interest in

803
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: betting their upside or the division. I just think ultimately

804
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: that's what holds them back. I like what they're building

805
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: in some ways. They just need to fix the old

806
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: line and then they have to find their quarterback of

807
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: the future, and uh, I'm not sure they have that

808
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: right now. They do go ten and seven last year.

809
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: I had their over last year over seven and a half.

810
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: They went six and two in one session games, so

811
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: probably got a little fortunate with that, but you know,

812
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: I think they probably finished with seven or eight wins.

813
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Think the numbers right.

814
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, If anything, I might look to get some long

815
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: shot downside, like if you can get like an under

816
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: five and a half wins or worst record in the

817
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: league or something like the worst were going NFC. Maybe

818
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: because I have them the Saints exist three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, eleven.

819
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: So I have them favorite in seven games. I have

820
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: their projected win total right around eight.

821
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: But I only have them favorite in four games.

822
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well yeah, so there you go. So like

823
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: I have the that's what I'm getting at.

824
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: I have them in eleven coin flip games, which is

825
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: like a spread within three on either.

826
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the yeah, one of the

827
00:43:52,760 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: I have them is a point one dog a point seven, yeah,

828
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: point another point seven, So that's probably our difference. But yeah,

829
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: I just a ton of coin flips. The only big

830
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: the only big favorite. It was just the home against

831
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: the Saints. That's it. The rest under three under three

832
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: under three of the three three three three.

833
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything's cor They could be really bad or really

834
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: or okay, but like their ceiling is probably like okay.

835
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: But their floor ten wins.

836
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I kind of.

837
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: Want to bet the launch like the upside downside, if

838
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: that makes sense, Like the upside downside.

839
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: It's just a downside, the upside downside, the downside.

840
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 4: This is our four be the upside downside, it's just

841
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: the downside.

842
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: I just think of everything and there's like odds, so

843
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm just like the pluses of we're.

844
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: Upside down right now. I get what you're saying.

845
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh yeah I think that.

846
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'm doing is the Seas probably more likely

847
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 3: to be very bad than very good. So yeah, not

848
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: nothing on on them, but for this division, yeah, do

849
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: like the Niners in the Rams Super Bowl, like the

850
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: Cards division. That is, all eight teams that we are

851
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: covering in this part two of our NFC twenty twenty

852
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: five win total. So now it's uh, let's recap our

853
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: NFC best bets stuck launch.

854
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: He starts off, all right, I like the downside upside

855
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: of the Cardinals. Now I like the upside Cardinals division

856
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: little division playoffs, probably staying away from the wind total,

857
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: but I might I might dabble there too. But like

858
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: like buying some upside on the Cardinals, Bears Division, Packers,

859
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 2: real upside, longer shot upside Super super Bowl. UH Detroit

860
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: win total under Philly win total under Washington win total

861
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: under NFC South is just TBD for me as of

862
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: right now, need more intel, So nothing from the NFC South.

863
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: How about you? What you got?

864
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: So NFC is where I like to take longer shot

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Speaker 3: three of homes Amar Josh Allen. So like Green Bay

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Speaker 3: twenty two to one for the Super Bowl, San Francisco

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Speaker 3: sixteen to one, Rams twenty to one, all three of

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Speaker 3: those are pretty much outside of the Packers what we've

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Speaker 3: seen in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Then also like the.

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Speaker 3: Bears for some division, you could get them five to one.

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Speaker 3: And then the Cardinals at plus four to twenty five division,

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Speaker 3: I think they are They could easily out, you know,

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Speaker 3: put up more wins in the regular season than the

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Speaker 3: Rams or the Niners. Even though I think the Rams

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Speaker 3: are the Niners are I trust them more to get

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl, and then some more leans. I

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Speaker 3: call all my win totals weans basically just because it's early.

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Speaker 3: But win totals I like are green Bay.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of injuries that could still happen. There's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're tying up your money for a long time, and

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Speaker 2: so there's a lot of reasons to to wait unless

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Speaker 2: you really really like a number. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the win totals are green Bay over nine and

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Speaker 3: a half, Minnesota under eight and a half, Philly under

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Speaker 3: eleven and a half, Detroit under ten and a half,

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Speaker 3: some other ones. I leen Washington plus two twenty five

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Speaker 3: for the division just if Philly. I think that are

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Speaker 3: most likely if Philly regresses, and then Dallas long shot

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Speaker 3: playoffs plus twoh five and long shot division at six

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Speaker 3: to one.

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Speaker 1: Like the playoff more but division.

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Speaker 3: You know, we do expect Washington and Philly to have

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Speaker 3: there is some downside with those two teams, So that's

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Speaker 3: kind of how I.

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Speaker 1: Want to play that. Also, Detroit to missed the playoffs

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Speaker 1: at plus two hundred, yes, I think it's attractive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but the the super ones are

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Speaker 3: the Niners, the Rams, and the Packers, and then and

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Speaker 3: then we're going Bears, Cardinals, long Shot Division. Those are

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Speaker 3: those are my favorite five. And then all the wind totals,

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