Speaker 1: Hey friends, I'm Devin Simone and.
Speaker 2: I'm Tory Deal and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: You guys, this is a very special episode of the
Speaker 3: podcast because we have not won but two guests for
Speaker 3: our interview today. But before we get into that, let's
Speaker 3: do a quick breakdown of this episode, shall we?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: All right, So first we have the challenge burst your
Speaker 3: bubble hot air Balloon rides by the Way ten out
Speaker 3: of ten, love them, be smart about where you do them.
Speaker 1: We had the winners Mikayla and Chris.
Speaker 3: That was like wild one because michaela was terrified, terrified
Speaker 3: of that, and then Chris because he's been the underdog
Speaker 3: all season and this if there was ever a daily
Speaker 3: to win, this was the one to win. I'm not
Speaker 3: looking at you, Tori Elizabeth and saying that this was
Speaker 3: the one to win, but I.
Speaker 1: Am saying this is I try. I know there weren't daily.
Speaker 1: This is the one to win.
Speaker 3: So that really puts It's also a double elimination, so
Speaker 3: like that's a really huge deal because you have these
Speaker 3: two people McKayla and Chris sort of in charge of
Speaker 3: who's going down there, which is wild. Well, then we
Speaker 3: have the voting, and of course Cassidy and Bessie are
Speaker 3: the ones that are voted in, and the hopper selects
Speaker 3: Chanel and Josh. I feel like this Cassidy and Chanell
Speaker 3: thing has been brewing so kind of good to see
Speaker 3: Bessie and Josh is heartbreaking because they're like bff besties.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean it makes for good TV,
Speaker 3: but it's always like disappointing. Interestingly, though, so Josh votes
Speaker 3: for bananas, and bananas is hot.
Speaker 1: You vote for Josh and Josh is chill? What's some event?
Speaker 2: I think that there was a lot of pain involved
Speaker 2: in like just emotional. It's not that he wasn't upset,
Speaker 2: it was just that he wasn't angry.
Speaker 1: He was hurt. It was even worse. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like when.
Speaker 2: Your parents like I'm disappointed in you, Right, That's what
Speaker 2: it was. And I think Josh had already felt so
Speaker 2: bad because he was really in between a rock and
Speaker 2: a hard place. When Fessie said, if you don't put
Speaker 2: in bananas, then you know, how can we be friends
Speaker 2: after this?
Speaker 1: Like FESSI kind of gave Josh and ultimately he did, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought that was like.
Speaker 2: Listen, I get it's a game, and you do have
Speaker 2: to pick who you're working with, but like, that's not
Speaker 2: an easy decision for Josh to make.
Speaker 3: It's not an easy but he made it harder for
Speaker 3: himself by telling Bananas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right off the bat.
Speaker 3: I would never put I'm never I put it on
Speaker 3: my life, Like why why?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: This is what I think happens in the challengehouse, Like
Speaker 2: you really do for a split second think that you
Speaker 2: are probably gonna align with somebody, and then somebody else
Speaker 2: getch in your ear, and then like fifteen minutes later,
Speaker 2: you're looking at it from a different angle.
Speaker 5: And I think that if Josh wouldn't have said.
Speaker 2: I swear on my family's life, then I feel like
Speaker 2: it would be easier to look at the situation and
Speaker 2: see how much time while he was in.
Speaker 1: But it was like that one.
Speaker 5: Little phrase, it just pushes the whole thing over the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does total housewise behavior.
Speaker 3: So so then we have this epic competition and it's
Speaker 3: the thing that we knew was coming or likely coming
Speaker 3: all season. It is a hall brawl, but this time
Speaker 3: it's a haul brawl with a twist. I'd say it's
Speaker 3: it's my type Haull brawl. It's a hall roll, so
Speaker 3: that means it's anyone's game, which makes it super interesting.
Speaker 1: So we have the hall brawl.
Speaker 3: The boys basically got rid of their pads instantly, and
Speaker 3: then you're just like fighting the girls. I mean, Chanelle
Speaker 3: basically drug Cassidy back. We have more tea on that,
Speaker 3: by the way, in this interview that you're definitely gonna
Speaker 3: want to hear. But our winners ultimately are Chanelle and Fessi,
Speaker 3: which means we see Cassidy and Josh go home. It
Speaker 3: is a lot going on. It means everyone left is
Speaker 3: going to the final.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, absolutely Wow. What do you think is gonna
Speaker 1: happen in the final?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Looking at the lineup? Ooh, you know, I've like, I've
Speaker 1: thought about this. I prayed about it.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know, I kind of I actually I
Speaker 3: kind of have a feeling, doctor Desi's gonna pull it
Speaker 3: out that.
Speaker 1: This is my feeling.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I have for those who don't know, yes,
Speaker 3: I work here, but I Tory has been committed, our
Speaker 3: wonderful producer of Cole has been committed. I have no spoilers,
Speaker 3: so I do not know who wins. I did not
Speaker 3: want to know. So if I'm right, amazing. But if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, well then you'll know. So I feel like
Speaker 3: Desi's gonna pull it and actually I kind of I
Speaker 3: want Corey. I feel like I want Corey to pull
Speaker 3: it out too, I really really do. I mean, everybody,
Speaker 3: there's good toy. Obviously I love you, but you won
Speaker 3: before I will adopt Desi and Corey I think are
Speaker 3: my top two. I'm rooting for who are your gold star?
Speaker 1: In timeouts for this week?
Speaker 2: I gotta give my gold star to Chris because he
Speaker 2: has like he was the only rookie boy left in
Speaker 2: the entire game, and if he didn't win last week
Speaker 2: or this week, then he was going right into elimination
Speaker 2: both times, and so he kept himself safe. Not only
Speaker 2: did he do that, but he really stirred the house
Speaker 2: up when he put Fessian because it broke up a
Speaker 2: bunch of friendships. So I think he when the pressure
Speaker 2: really is on him, he knows how to perform, and
Speaker 2: I think that he deserves.
Speaker 1: The gold star absolutely. I like that. Who do you
Speaker 1: think well my gold star?
Speaker 3: It's a toss up between Mikayla because of the fear
Speaker 3: that we saw in her and the way that she
Speaker 3: just right it is wild. The other toss up, though,
Speaker 3: are the rookie girls, because I have to say the
Speaker 3: way they came in from the jump and organized and
Speaker 3: like stayed united in a way, I call them Destney's Child.
Speaker 3: You guys have heard me say before, Destney's Child has
Speaker 3: made it. All right, maybe we can make a reunion
Speaker 3: tour happen, but Depstey's Child has made it and I
Speaker 3: am so proud. I think as rookies and being placed
Speaker 3: against some of the most epic challenge vets of all time,
Speaker 3: it's just really impressive. So I think it's between Mikayla,
Speaker 3: who's a part of Destney Child, or Dastey Child, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to give it to Desney's Child as
Speaker 3: my gold star who gets your time out for the week.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough because I don't know if I
Speaker 2: would go back and change how I voted, But I
Speaker 2: really want to give it to myself because Josh is
Speaker 2: really such a close friend of mine and it was
Speaker 2: just such a It's one of those things where you
Speaker 2: look at it and you wonder if you if the
Speaker 2: challenge has made you more calculated and has like almost
Speaker 2: made you lose your heart in a way because you
Speaker 2: try to play so strategically that you stop forgetting to
Speaker 2: play with emotions. Like I almost wonder if I took
Speaker 2: my emotions too much out of the game.
Speaker 1: Listen to the.
Speaker 3: Soft side of Yeah, Elizabeth Ann, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1: That's so sweet. Oh, I love that. I'm not even
Speaker 1: gonna give a time out. I'm just gonna let that
Speaker 1: notes sit.
Speaker 3: I do want to leave a quick shout out though,
Speaker 3: to Katie Para and Jackie Brinkley who DMed me and
Speaker 3: said that they one of them. Katie loved TJ's nineties
Speaker 3: button up in Carhart from weeks ago, and Jackie loved
Speaker 3: TJ shirt as well. I appreciate you guys recognizing TJ's wardrobe.
Speaker 3: I also want to give a big shout out to
Speaker 3: my dear friend, an avid Challenge fan and watcherer Clinton
Speaker 3: Kelly and his husband Damon.
Speaker 1: They're big Challenge fans.
Speaker 3: They listen to podcasts all the time, and so I
Speaker 3: want to give them a shout out for always listening
Speaker 3: and listening to the end, like, Hi, Glan, we won't
Speaker 3: he has to come on one day, Maybe he can
Speaker 3: do like a wardrobe breakdown of the whole episode.
Speaker 1: I feel like that'd be hilarious. You guys should do
Speaker 1: that for me. I could use the hell all right,
Speaker 1: you know that is true.
Speaker 3: I always look at your hair, though I don't always
Speaker 3: look at your fashions because your hair is just popping
Speaker 3: all the time, so it doesn't even I don't even.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the way you're learning on that.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys, this is going to be such an
Speaker 3: epic episode you're not gonna want to miss it. We
Speaker 3: have Chanelle and Josh here all right, sharing their sides
Speaker 3: of the story. There are strategies in the game and
Speaker 3: some inside scoop on what really went down that we
Speaker 3: didn't see, including a crazy request that Chanelle had just
Speaker 3: before the elimination.
Speaker 1: It is wild, y'all.
Speaker 3: You are not gonna want to miss this, So grab
Speaker 3: a snack, do your thing, take us with you, and
Speaker 3: come back to this amazing interview right after this.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, Well, it's our favorite part of the episode,
Speaker 2: except this time we're double lucky.
Speaker 5: We're kind of playing on TJ's double elimination and we're.
Speaker 1: Having a double guest podcast. I mean, listen, this episode.
Speaker 2: Was wild, So who else better to have than Chanelle
Speaker 2: Howell she played on Survivor forty two absolutely crushing it
Speaker 2: this season. And also Josh Martinez, who I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Has a lot to say this episode.
Speaker 6: Welcome guys, Hi, guys, welcome all right, before getting to
Speaker 6: have to say, Josh, you seem real nervous.
Speaker 4: I'm not doing so well on this, but I'm excited
Speaker 4: to talk it out with you guys. But yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little I'm a little
Speaker 4: uneasy right now. It's just tough having to relive all that.
Speaker 4: So we'll get into all that now.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's a safe space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one that may have some side eye, only two
Speaker 3: percent judgment, but it comes from a place of love.
Speaker 1: Okay, so like.
Speaker 3: A therapy session, but we're not licensed at all. We'd
Speaker 3: be shut down if we were. And our theme here
Speaker 3: is that we don't overthink it. We just over so
Speaker 3: for both of you, Chanelle and Josh, feel free. We
Speaker 3: want to know all the tea behind the scenes because
Speaker 3: you know, Tory tails of some stuff, but she'd be
Speaker 3: leaving out stuff, so we want to know all the
Speaker 3: thoughts before we get into that though this was there
Speaker 3: were two very different outcomes for the both of you
Speaker 3: in this episode. How does it feel for each of you?
Speaker 3: Sort of looking back on that now, now, why don't
Speaker 3: we start with you?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, thank you for the into Torri. This obviously
Speaker 7: was like best case scenario coming into this game as
Speaker 7: a rookie, Like there's a lot kind of writing on
Speaker 7: your shoulders, wanting to make a name for yourself, wanting
Speaker 7: to prove yourself, and then you know, just to make
Speaker 7: it to a final. It feels really massive. So I'm
Speaker 7: happy with the outcome of it. And the crazy thing is,
Speaker 7: I know that I had to go into an elimination
Speaker 7: to feel like I fully, fully like earned it, earned
Speaker 7: my spot, deserved to be there. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 7: it was a good outcome for me obviously.
Speaker 4: Josh, what about you, Yeah, I mean not the outcome
Speaker 4: that I wanted. But to be honest with you, I, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's hard. I you know, I've done
Speaker 4: six seasons. I haven't had the success that I've wanted
Speaker 4: on the show, and I think the end goal for
Speaker 4: all of us is to win it, but also to
Speaker 4: just make a final and put myself through that. So
Speaker 4: it's really hard, it's really disappointing. But I think that
Speaker 4: you know, as you see in the episode, I was
Speaker 4: willing to do whatever, and I think I lost a
Speaker 4: bit of myself this season. I was so locked in
Speaker 4: on doing whatever it took to get to a final
Speaker 4: that you know, I lost myself and lost a bit
Speaker 4: of my like moral compass, if you want to say so.
Speaker 4: In a way, I didn't feel like I earned it
Speaker 4: or I deserved that spot because I didn't stay true
Speaker 4: to who I am as a person. So I mean
Speaker 4: it played out how I played out. It's definitely a learning,
Speaker 4: growing pain, growing lesson. But yeah, it's tough, it's hard.
Speaker 2: I think that, Like I can totally agree with you,
Speaker 2: And throughout this entire season we've seen Karmack responses, and
Speaker 2: I think those Karmak responses will continue even through the final.
Speaker 2: Probably this is just the name of the game when
Speaker 2: it comes to the challenge, Like.
Speaker 5: There is this spirit that exists in the show.
Speaker 2: It's like you try to play it, but if you
Speaker 2: play too hard or you think too much about something,
Speaker 2: it may play you back.
Speaker 5: So I feel you on that, and I think it's
Speaker 5: its own beast.
Speaker 1: But in the beginning of this episode, we really got
Speaker 1: to watch both of you guys.
Speaker 2: Share your personal stories, which was super, super beautiful and
Speaker 2: I would love to hear more about that.
Speaker 1: And Shanel, let's start with you first.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's so interesting. Like I truly say
Speaker 7: I manifested going on the challenge because I did not
Speaker 7: think I was going to get a call. I maybe
Speaker 7: like nine or so months before filming, I was like,
Speaker 7: you know what, I think I'm going to go on
Speaker 7: the Challenge and I literally just started training like crazy.
Speaker 7: But I knew it was a long shot because I
Speaker 7: was a pretty middling player on Survivor, Like there are
Speaker 7: other contenders in my head that would get the call
Speaker 7: before me. So like when they called me, I was like, wow,
Speaker 7: like this this is like serendipit, this almost and like,
Speaker 7: you know, I haven't shared this publicly, but I gave
Speaker 7: up a lot to go on this show, Like I
Speaker 7: you know, left my corporate job at Goldman Sachs to
Speaker 7: play the challenge and so it was just like you
Speaker 7: better fucking work like you better, like like really, Stevens.
Speaker 1: So sorry my face, I am still shocked.
Speaker 3: If you guys know the significance of that holy hell, girl, wow,
Speaker 3: oh my god, all the things.
Speaker 1: Sorry continue, we'll get back to that.
Speaker 7: And so I just felt like I felt like I
Speaker 7: just had to really do well because I gave up
Speaker 7: so much to come and play this game. And so
Speaker 7: it was a really like beautiful experience to like get
Speaker 7: the opportunity to play. And I just felt like I
Speaker 7: had just so much writing on it, so like an honor. Obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 7: what exactly was your role at Goldman.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to give us super details, but
Speaker 1: what exactly.
Speaker 7: I was working in strategy? But I mean, obviously it
Speaker 7: was the challenge. It was a very calculated decision, like
Speaker 7: I'm never gonna go into anything like full fledged, like
Speaker 7: I'll playing by the seat of my pant.
Speaker 1: I don't think y'all know.
Speaker 3: I just look, I have some clients as a mastually
Speaker 3: grab some clients get we know what our clients make,
Speaker 3: and I have clients that are it's all sorts of roles, jobs,
Speaker 3: job less teachers exact. I know what Goldman Sachs folks
Speaker 3: generally can be raking in. So I understand the significance
Speaker 3: of giving that up on a manifestation, Girl, you have
Speaker 3: more faith than a mustard seed.
Speaker 1: That is for sure. Wow.
Speaker 7: I mean I said it at the end. I said, listen,
Speaker 7: I'm always gonna bet on myself, and this is like
Speaker 7: another one of those where I bet on myself. I
Speaker 7: was like, I'm good. I just gonna put myself in
Speaker 7: the best position to win. And I trained for this
Speaker 7: call for nine months and if I get the call,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 1: So that was really is amazing.
Speaker 2: That is so that's why you that's why you thrived
Speaker 2: at jumping on the trampoline doing the math?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're doing gold sacks? You jump on
Speaker 1: terurbolines and do strategy.
Speaker 7: I feel like that's shade because I obviously flopped on that.
Speaker 2: Oh you were the first girl done in the mid Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the math version.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not that's true.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, the math portion I'm genuinely talking about.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you know, why did you want to come
Speaker 3: on the challenge so bad? Were you a fan of this? Like,
Speaker 3: had you watched it before? Were you a fan of
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 7: I started watching My actual first season of Real World
Speaker 7: was cancuon and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 7: love John A.
Speaker 3: And then I like just missed the really really good season.
Speaker 3: It was about one season before that, but was that
Speaker 3: your ENTI.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And then I dabbled in road Rules and
Speaker 7: then maybe like five ish years ago, I got into
Speaker 7: the Challenge and I was hooked. But I think, like
Speaker 7: it's definitely a little bit of ego. I like lived
Speaker 7: a dream going on Survivor and not performing the way
Speaker 7: that I wanted. I feel like I like needed to
Speaker 7: prove myself. I like had something left out there, and
Speaker 7: so that was really what was driving. Honestly, very ego driven.
Speaker 7: But I was like, I need to play a game
Speaker 7: again that's gonna be in my wheelhouse right where I
Speaker 7: can rely solely on my abilities Survivor, if enough people
Speaker 7: don't like you, like you're gone, you're voted out. But
Speaker 7: the Challenge, it's like I live and die by my
Speaker 7: own hands, my own strength mind, and like I said,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna bet on myself. So I really wanted to
Speaker 7: play a game that was more so in my arena.
Speaker 7: So that was really like what the what the goal was?
Speaker 3: Having watched the show where you a fan of like
Speaker 3: before coming to that, what, Yeah, let's do a little quiz.
Speaker 3: We did this with Mikayla and people seem to really
Speaker 3: like it online. So really quick pop quiz. So since
Speaker 3: you did watch the show a little bit before coming
Speaker 3: in and you were a fan of the show, let's
Speaker 3: talk some of your favorites or your thoughts on their strategies.
Speaker 3: Let's start with tory strategy in past season, so excluding
Speaker 3: this season, as you've seen her play, give me one
Speaker 3: word to describe how you are giving one word to
Speaker 3: describe Tory's gameplay.
Speaker 2: Messy, book, messy but safe, safe and messy sounds sexual?
Speaker 3: You would you would you've talked about this, you would, okay, messy,
Speaker 3: but say, how do you think it's safe?
Speaker 1: What do you think she does it? Plays it safe,
Speaker 1: she plays with.
Speaker 7: Her friends, which is a strategy, plays protected, which I
Speaker 7: saw is a great strategy, but messy because she has entanglements,
Speaker 7: you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Will and Jada.
Speaker 3: What would you say about Corey's strategy politics?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 1: What about fetsies.
Speaker 7: Festsy I'd say, like, I mean, he just goes off
Speaker 7: his strength, so like just pretty pretty like low key,
Speaker 7: like one dimensional, very one.
Speaker 1: Dimensional perform performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And what would you say about our dear
Speaker 3: friend Josh's strategy previous seasons.
Speaker 7: Mister congeniality, but in the worst way, the worst way,
Speaker 7: because if you have too many friends, you've got too
Speaker 7: many checks you can't cash.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to describe Josh b shopping out
Speaker 3: of his budget, just regularly on the challenge, handing out
Speaker 3: dollars and credit to people, and then then it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any more money, but we will.
Speaker 1: We will get into that.
Speaker 3: Torri, what was it like watching this episode back for you?
Speaker 3: And how nervous were you when michaela ultimately won the
Speaker 3: daily that you'd be the primary target.
Speaker 2: So this day in itself was very difficult, and Josh
Speaker 2: and Chanell can speak to this. We woke up at
Speaker 2: like four o'clock in the morning. We had to be
Speaker 2: at the hot Air balloons by seven am, and the
Speaker 2: whole challenge was over by like nine because there was
Speaker 2: like a wind issue and they wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: we could do it. So we were so drained from
Speaker 2: that morning from waking up so early, to the point
Speaker 2: where after the adrenaline had already dropped from the challenge
Speaker 2: being over. I remember just us laying down. We had
Speaker 2: to wait two hours to go back to the house
Speaker 2: to even go to lunch, so we all just laid Yeah,
Speaker 2: we all just laid on the concrete and kind of
Speaker 2: just sat there and bassed in the fact that this
Speaker 2: is truly the last day, like we knew the.
Speaker 1: Final was like right there.
Speaker 5: And I remember I think I looked over at Chanel.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm going in and
Speaker 2: she was like, no, you're not, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm pretty sure. But I was kind
Speaker 2: of at peace with it because it was the end
Speaker 2: and like, there's only so much you can do. But
Speaker 2: I think either it was you were DESI that had
Speaker 2: a combo with Mikayla that kind of assured me that
Speaker 2: that wasn't going to happen. And I had that secret
Speaker 2: combo with Mikayla you see a little clip to it
Speaker 2: mid episode, So I wasn't too stressed about that. What
Speaker 2: I was I was more stressed about voting, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure Josh can speak the same than I was about competing,
Speaker 2: because there's this emotional like there's this emotional weight, this
Speaker 2: emotional burden you carry when you do play with your friends,
Speaker 2: which is my strategy in the game, until you get
Speaker 2: to a point where now you have to vote one
Speaker 2: of them in like it was truly our friends group
Speaker 2: worst case scenario because Chris was safe and he would
Speaker 2: have been the very easy vote, and so now it's
Speaker 2: us against us, and it in a sense, it's a
Speaker 2: good thing to be there because it means we all
Speaker 2: made it here, but somebody's got to go. So it
Speaker 2: was it was not easy, and I'm sure just like
Speaker 2: it wasn't easy for me, you know, it wasn't easy
Speaker 2: for Josh, And this whole episode was pretty much about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Soanel, why did you and DESI have a conversation
Speaker 3: with Mikayla in Tory's favor because in previous episodes we
Speaker 3: sort of saw where there was a little you know,
Speaker 3: you guys kind of made a pact and then it
Speaker 3: got messy and then you know, it looked like there
Speaker 3: was sort of amend's made. But just knowing Tory's history
Speaker 3: in the game and knowing that she's, you know, an
Speaker 3: accomplished player, why did you guys decide to maybe encourage
Speaker 3: Mikayla to go towards Cassidy or whatever it is that
Speaker 3: you did to intervene.
Speaker 7: I mean Tori as a main vote on a double
Speaker 7: limb means that us are gonna go against her. And
Speaker 7: at this point, it's not even about fear. It's just
Speaker 7: about like just being dumb, right, Like as what nine
Speaker 7: eight seasons under her belt? I don't know who was
Speaker 7: gonna volunteer one round before a final to go against
Speaker 7: a season vet and a champ, Like, it just doesn't
Speaker 7: make sense, right, And so it's like at this point
Speaker 7: in the game, you've already like major bed which is
Speaker 7: we're gonna run against her, We're gonna run with and like,
Speaker 7: let's just run the final together. Made the best woman win.
Speaker 3: There's that Goldman thinking right there, that is exactly Josh,
Speaker 3: what was your like, what is your best case scenario
Speaker 3: going into this elimination? So actually, before you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: before we find out that it is going to be you,
Speaker 3: what were you kind of hoping would play out?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I was hoping it's so crazy, this is gonna
Speaker 4: sound so crazy. But I the guilt that I was
Speaker 4: feeling all day from voting in Johnny. I was hoping
Speaker 4: it was going to be me and not Johnny, Like
Speaker 4: I like when we were down in the sand, I
Speaker 4: was like I'd rather it be mean and if I win,
Speaker 4: then I won and I could deal with that guilt.
Speaker 4: But it was killing me knowing that I, you know,
Speaker 4: backstabbed me and Johnny. We were close going in, but
Speaker 4: we became really close that season, so I could I
Speaker 4: don't know. It was just like Toy said, it was
Speaker 4: a really long day. I probably slept like two three hours.
Speaker 4: My mind wasn't right. But also just like I wasn't
Speaker 4: in the right headspace. I was, like I said in
Speaker 4: the episode, I was so desperate to make a final
Speaker 4: that I crossed friendships. I completely lost a sense of
Speaker 4: myself and I just was like kind of not checked out.
Speaker 4: But I was like, all right this, I made my
Speaker 4: bed and not lay in it kind of thing. So
Speaker 4: I was like fuck. Like even when I heard my name,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, like you know, this is probably
Speaker 4: what was supposed to happen anyway. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if that I answered the question, but.
Speaker 5: No, no, yeah, what do you think that?
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, obviously this entire season we see you
Speaker 2: and Johnny bond right, like you guys stayed in the
Speaker 2: same room together, and what was it that brought you
Speaker 2: guys so close together?
Speaker 1: Like tell us about your relationship and friendship.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it's way before the show. Of all,
Speaker 4: Johnny has always been a VET since I started the
Speaker 4: game that has always looked out for me. I don't
Speaker 4: think it was ever highlighted because we weren't that close
Speaker 4: in past seasons, but he was always good to me.
Speaker 4: He's never really crossed me. He's always had my back
Speaker 4: in dealing with the fans and you know, dealing with
Speaker 4: the game inside the house. He's always been so helpful
Speaker 4: to me. So in that game, like we came in
Speaker 4: United and you and him were besides bes were like
Speaker 4: my brother and sister. They're like, you guys were my people.
Speaker 4: So I felt safe. I felt good, Like I felt
Speaker 4: like I, no matter what, I would have somebody that
Speaker 4: was in my corner. And that's what was hard in
Speaker 4: taking a shot at him, was losing that. So like
Speaker 4: in kind of crossing him, him trusting me and building
Speaker 4: this really because Johnny doesn't let a lot of people
Speaker 4: and he's super friendly. He gets along with everybody, but
Speaker 4: to be part of his core, like you know, it's
Speaker 4: a big deal for him. So for me to break that,
Speaker 4: I think that's what was really hard. But I honestly
Speaker 4: was in such a hard like it felt like I
Speaker 4: was going to cross Betsy if I It wasn't really
Speaker 4: in choosing Corey. It was like I had to choose
Speaker 4: it between Johnny and Festi, whereas in Corey would have
Speaker 4: been the easiest thing for me to do, and I
Speaker 4: think Betsey down the line would have respected it. I
Speaker 4: think it was just like, all right, I'm crossing one
Speaker 4: of my friends. Either way, I'm going to put somebody off.
Speaker 4: So it was really tough.
Speaker 1: But Jush, do you feel like you make things hard
Speaker 1: for yourself?
Speaker 4: Yes? Okay, yeah, yeah, but that's who I am as
Speaker 4: a person. I can't you know. I like, if you
Speaker 4: know me personally, you know that I love Hardleck. If
Speaker 4: I consider your friend, I will give you the last
Speaker 4: dollar in my pocket to start off my back. And
Speaker 4: that's just how I am. But I think at that point,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm playing with oh my good friends. Like
Speaker 4: we got to that point and it's like all right, fuck,
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 3: You go, but you go above because even if we
Speaker 3: go back to the elimination, we saw where you voted
Speaker 3: Wes right, and it was like and you we saw
Speaker 3: the emotional turmoil there, and actually, let's go back there briefly.
Speaker 1: Which did it hit you harder?
Speaker 3: Was it the vote you had to do for Wes
Speaker 3: in terms of emotionally and regret and that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: or the vote that you ended up doing for Bananas Johnny.
Speaker 4: Johnny, if Wes played again, I wouldn't do it again, honestly,
Speaker 4: because I stand by that. I stand by the fact
Speaker 4: that Wes is I did not attack him in confessionals.
Speaker 4: I never talked bad about him. I did a game move,
Speaker 4: and I stand by that game move.
Speaker 3: And do you stand by it now because you've seen
Speaker 3: his confessional and seen him talking a little bit of smack.
Speaker 1: Did that change how you feel?
Speaker 4: No? Because for me personally, I'm always going to do
Speaker 4: what's best for my game, even if it's hard. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say I'm not gonna get emotional. I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say I'm not gonna cry, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna say that it's not gonna be hard on me.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna do what's best. I knew at that
Speaker 4: point it was best. My options were Tyler, Johnny and
Speaker 4: Corey and West. Out of those four, the person that
Speaker 4: I was least closest with was West, but also we
Speaker 4: had played it so like Chanelle said it best in
Speaker 4: the house. I remember her saying it, you know, she
Speaker 4: was like, oh, we made the merge. We had played
Speaker 4: up to the merge like how they say Survivor. We
Speaker 4: made it to the high poay point. That's it. It's
Speaker 4: an individual game now, so it's fair game. Was it
Speaker 4: really hard yet because we had a really good friendship.
Speaker 4: But you know, he's one of the best type of
Speaker 4: play and nobody could ever take that away from him.
Speaker 4: So for me, strategically, especially with the options I had,
Speaker 4: I thought it was the best move. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: him talking, you know, Wes is a great dude, and
Speaker 4: I'm not going to bash him, but he has the
Speaker 4: biggest ego in the world, and you know, I think
Speaker 4: that instead of him being like Dan, this guy screwed
Speaker 4: me over and like, you know, I considered him a friend.
Speaker 4: He went the different route and dogs and so so
Speaker 4: I wouldn't make the move. I would do do the
Speaker 4: move again. I don't care how much should I get
Speaker 4: for it. It was a smart play and I made
Speaker 4: it further. So yeah, would you do the move again?
Speaker 3: Then with the bananas thing? Because you did it for
Speaker 3: your own I mean, no, you wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I would never. I would never. I wouldn't much rather,
Speaker 4: I much rather go out get out of it, you know,
Speaker 4: just because and me and Johnny talked about it. We've
Speaker 4: made up since then, but I still know it's.
Speaker 1: Not Yes, it's not gonna forget He's I just.
Speaker 4: Know in the game. I know that, uh, you know
Speaker 4: it's gonna come my way at some point. And granted
Speaker 4: I deserve it, but you know, that's that's one friendship
Speaker 4: that I really, I really respect, and you know, he's
Speaker 4: a really he's really he's just a really good friend
Speaker 4: to me. So I regret that one. That's definitely. You know,
Speaker 4: with these games you live, you learn, and you can
Speaker 4: only learn from your mistakes, and I definitely that's one
Speaker 4: that I really do regret.
Speaker 3: Do you think you're hard on yourself too, though, because
Speaker 3: look Tory, as as Chanelle says, Tory plays with friends, right, like,
Speaker 3: that's kind of part of her game and strategy and
Speaker 3: ultimately for anyone in the game, when you get down
Speaker 3: to the final X, Y, and Z, yeah, you have
Speaker 3: to start making game.
Speaker 1: It's an individual game.
Speaker 3: Yet when those moves are made and we've seen pretty
Speaker 3: much everyone do it who's made it to a final.
Speaker 3: There's a sense of respect to a degree, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like there's there's sort of two ways to go
Speaker 3: about it. There's you make the moves you have to make,
Speaker 3: and you go, look, I love you, but we're here
Speaker 3: at this game and there's no you know, like this
Speaker 3: is kind of what the options are, or you sort
Speaker 3: of make it a little more complicated by right before
Speaker 3: voting for that person, go I promise I'll never vote
Speaker 3: for you in my entire life, and then you go
Speaker 3: and vote for them.
Speaker 1: Do you think it.
Speaker 3: Would be easier if you know you know that this
Speaker 3: the next time you're in the challenge, you know, when
Speaker 3: you make it this far, because I believe you're going
Speaker 3: to make it to a final, it's far, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to then vote against someone you love or care about.
Speaker 3: That just letting them know that that that vote in
Speaker 3: that moment is not you as a person and you
Speaker 3: as a friend, instead of like promising the world, do
Speaker 3: you think that might make it a little easier?
Speaker 2: Can I speak to I just want to speak to
Speaker 2: this because as somebody who like, if you look at
Speaker 2: the way Josh Bananas and I all voted. It's like
Speaker 2: we were friends. I put my vote on Josh, Josh
Speaker 2: puts his vote on Bananas. The reaction Josh gives me
Speaker 2: for me telling him is so much differ than the
Speaker 2: reaction Bananas gets gives to Bananas. And that's what I
Speaker 2: was trying to explain to Josh, and like, this is
Speaker 2: truly how I feel. It was an unfair reaction from Bananas.
Speaker 1: Like I totally believe that.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're at the end with our friends and Josh,
Speaker 2: the way you're beating yourself up and the way that
Speaker 2: you're of course you're upset with me, and like you know,
Speaker 2: we've had conversations about it, but how you're not attacking
Speaker 2: me and you're not making me feel like a shitty
Speaker 2: piece of person, a shitty piece of person, a shitty
Speaker 2: person like.
Speaker 1: Bananas is doing that to you. And that's not fair.
Speaker 1: And I think that.
Speaker 2: I think that, like, you don't have to beat yourself
Speaker 2: up multiple times about this thing, because it is just
Speaker 2: a game. We all sign up for the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: We sign up to play, and we pray that the
Speaker 2: end people have our back, and if they don't, then
Speaker 2: so be it. Now, I think The tricky part with
Speaker 2: this whole vote is Bananas was afraid that he was
Speaker 2: going to go against Fessi in a hall brawl, which
Speaker 2: now becomes less of a fear of.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna lose more I'm gonna go home in.
Speaker 5: A stretcher, which is what exactly he was saying. So
Speaker 5: it's like genuinely afraid of being hurt.
Speaker 1: But like same thing with Josh.
Speaker 2: Like Josh, this was the last elimination right before the final,
Speaker 2: so this is big for you as well in a
Speaker 2: different way. So I think you could be you could
Speaker 2: be handling it the same way Johnny is, and you're not,
Speaker 2: And you deserve to be treated the way you're treating me,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I'd say the one difference though is unless they didn't show,
Speaker 3: like we didn't get to see it and it's behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, is the immediately I don't know how many
Speaker 3: hours you guys are having some of these conversations before
Speaker 3: the vote, right, but saying like if Tory, if you
Speaker 3: had gone up to Josh right before the vote and
Speaker 3: been like, I swear on my life, I swear on
Speaker 3: my cat, I swear on whatever I'll never vote for
Speaker 3: you and then did it. I do think that pours
Speaker 3: a little salt in the wound. But I agree, Josh,
Speaker 3: like you did what you had to do.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make you a terrible person.
Speaker 4: I think I get where Toy's coming from, and you know,
Speaker 4: there's some truth to it, and that's just I don't
Speaker 4: hold grudg So I, you know, did it sting a
Speaker 4: little bit then you voted for me? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: it fucking sucks. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I love you, and I love you like family, and
Speaker 4: we're gonna get over it, and I know we're gonna
Speaker 4: have other times and we'll play together, and I trust
Speaker 4: that you won't do that again. But I'm with Johnny.
Speaker 4: I agree with Devin. I think that you know, he
Speaker 4: really did trust me at that point, and I crossed,
Speaker 4: you know, I crossed. I crossed him and I went
Speaker 4: back on my word. So I get where he's coming
Speaker 4: from and I understand that, And you know, I think
Speaker 4: that it's just so crazy. I I feel like I
Speaker 4: payed such a good social game or whatever to that point,
Speaker 4: and I saw, indeed, really a few hours my whole
Speaker 4: game crumble, but then lose, like I lost myself and
Speaker 4: I that was the hardest pill to swallow. I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I couldn't even sit with myself. I was like, I
Speaker 4: completely lost myself to this game, Like I completely lost
Speaker 4: myself to the show. And that's what was I was
Speaker 4: struggling with internally. I was like, holy shit, who yeah,
Speaker 4: what am I willing to do to make a final?
Speaker 4: So now months later I'm able to look at that
Speaker 4: and be like, I will never move like that again
Speaker 4: because it it's not who I am at my core.
Speaker 4: And that was the hardest total swallow, besides crossing my friends,
Speaker 4: was losing myself in the process of trying to accomplish
Speaker 4: this a huge goal that I had been trying to attain.
Speaker 4: So I think that that was the biggest lesson for me,
Speaker 4: just to like reflect on that.
Speaker 1: Guess that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Chanelle, you as a strategist, I mean you mentioned that
Speaker 3: you prepared for you manifested being on the challenge. I
Speaker 3: get a lot of dms of people asking how to
Speaker 3: get on the challenge listen to Chanel and manifest also trying,
Speaker 3: but we don't see a lot of you in the
Speaker 3: lead up, which I actually think is sort of telling.
Speaker 3: Usually because that means like, oh, they're the silent Killers, right,
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna you're going to see more of them
Speaker 3: as like the season so earlier in the season, we
Speaker 3: don't see a ton of you. What was your strategy
Speaker 3: and did you kind of have conversations or thoughts with
Speaker 3: yourself about that going in because you said you physically trained,
Speaker 3: but how did you prepare for this element that really
Speaker 3: shapes the game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question. I don't know if I
Speaker 7: thought so much about strategy other than like get out
Speaker 7: the vets. And also it's like the thing that I
Speaker 7: had to like realize is that Survivor is so much
Speaker 7: different than The Challenge, where on Survivor, you know your
Speaker 7: your social game can kind of get you to the end,
Speaker 7: and like backstabbing is like rewarded and being like Slimy
Speaker 7: and Shady's rewarded, and the Challenge like you want to
Speaker 7: be fiercely loyal to your people, right because I'm in
Speaker 7: the game where you know you're going to need them
Speaker 7: to help you get further. And so that's where we
Speaker 7: see like in the beginning of the game, I'm like
Speaker 7: fiercely loyal. I will die on this hill for you
Speaker 7: Desi and michaela right to getting to be into the game,
Speaker 7: where like these are people who protected me because of
Speaker 7: that out the upfront kind of loyalty that I showed.
Speaker 7: And so I mean it's interesting because we don't see
Speaker 7: a lot of my social connections, but like I was
Speaker 7: really embedded, like with Survivor, but also Big Brother and
Speaker 7: the Vets, like once we got to the middle of
Speaker 7: the game, I mean a really like I made pretty
Speaker 7: like pretty important alliances with Bananas, with Wes, with Corey,
Speaker 7: like those were my core men, and we don't see wow,
Speaker 7: those relations Yeah, but like there's a reason why Bananas
Speaker 7: went to the booth and didn't vote for me, right
Speaker 7: at the end, Right, there's a reason why I put
Speaker 7: my ball on Josh and not Bananas. Also Josh and
Speaker 7: I had a vendetta.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, but I had really I.
Speaker 7: Had really strong relationships with the Vets, which we we
Speaker 7: don't see, the Vet men which we don't see. And
Speaker 7: so really I just knew that it was going to
Speaker 7: come to a certain point where they could not protect
Speaker 7: me and I was just gonna have to fight for myself.
Speaker 7: And so really I was just like be loyal to
Speaker 7: my girlies as far as long as I can, you know,
Speaker 7: set up a strong line of like men that I
Speaker 7: wanted to work with, and then when it comes down
Speaker 7: to it, just by fight your way into the final
Speaker 7: Can you speak to what was the dynamic between you
Speaker 7: and Josh in the house, because we don't see a
Speaker 7: ton of interaction between the two of you. Give us
Speaker 7: a little behind the scenes. Josh was convinced and he
Speaker 7: was right that me and Kit were running for him.
Speaker 7: Mikayla and I wanted him out.
Speaker 1: So why so bad?
Speaker 7: Because Josh, very similar to like Michelle, was embedded really
Speaker 7: well with both sides, right and the rookies, and Josh
Speaker 7: like I saw right through the whole. Hey buddy, hey brother,
Speaker 7: I love you, but I'm like Josh, like, I see
Speaker 7: what you're doing right off.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And the thing is I knew Josh had so many
Speaker 7: people to protect and I was at the bottom of
Speaker 7: his list, right, So I was like, Josh's Josh is
Speaker 7: someone that I'm expendable to, So he's expendable to me.
Speaker 7: And so that's why for a really long time I
Speaker 7: wanted Josh out. But eventually we had to put the
Speaker 7: knife down, call it truce, and make it further because
Speaker 7: there was a certain period of times I was getting
Speaker 7: balls every single week, like over and over. So that
Speaker 7: was kind of what my like what my approach was
Speaker 7: to the social game, to the strategic game.
Speaker 4: Can I just say yeah, Can I just say real quick,
Speaker 4: Chanelle played one of the best as a rookie coming in.
Speaker 4: She and it's disappointing that it's not highlighted. She played
Speaker 4: one of the best social games that I've seen any
Speaker 4: rookie play in that house. Mikayla did too, but Mikayla
Speaker 4: was kind of cold. Like Mikayla was like either she
Speaker 4: rocked with you or she didn't, and there was no
Speaker 4: getting it. Chanelle really brought in that group and then Daisy,
Speaker 4: for I want to say the first half kept kind
Speaker 4: of to herself, like it was really hard to read her.
Speaker 4: But Chanelle was like that one that pulled them in
Speaker 4: and she played such a good social game, and like
Speaker 4: she said, she was connected with a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I right off the rip, we were in the team together,
Speaker 4: so I saw her as an ascid but quickly I
Speaker 4: realized the threat that she was because I was like,
Speaker 4: this girl's good. So she became kind of like I
Speaker 4: was like, all right, if I want to advance myself
Speaker 4: orre advance the people I'm working with, she's got to go.
Speaker 4: But as the game went on, I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: she's such a strong competitor and she really the dailies
Speaker 4: you can only see so much. Chanell really competed so good.
Speaker 4: So I'm listen, I'm proud of the turnout that you
Speaker 4: had this season, Shaney, and yeah, you played a great
Speaker 4: game that people got to put respect on.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of chatter around Chanelle's I
Speaker 3: met Chanelle at Marie's baby shower and people had great
Speaker 3: things to say, and there was just a lot of chatter.
Speaker 3: And I think, Eve, when I talk to you Tory
Speaker 3: about like, oh I met Chanelle, there was just a
Speaker 3: lot of like respect for so I knew great things
Speaker 3: were going to come for you, Chanell, which is what
Speaker 3: I was like, we've got to get you on the podcast.
Speaker 3: You've got to get you on the podcast and how
Speaker 3: you play. But now knowing about Goldman, like obviously she's
Speaker 3: a strategist.
Speaker 1: Of course, she had really good strategy. She was making
Speaker 1: good money to buys and other people.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course she was really good at strategy.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 3: When you said, Chanel that you and Josh sort of
Speaker 3: put your knives down right like eventually like called a truce.
Speaker 3: Did you have a blatant conversation around that or was
Speaker 3: it just kind of an understanding like hey, all right,
Speaker 3: let's stop going after each other.
Speaker 7: No, we we had a blatant conversation around that, And
Speaker 7: so I think it was around the merge quote unquote
Speaker 7: where we started to see a shift where basically every
Speaker 7: guy in the house wanted to work with Tory, Chanell, Dosie, Michaela.
Speaker 7: Like every guy was like, you guys are my final four.
Speaker 7: Y'all are my final four. And I think joshla was like,
Speaker 7: all right, like you got to be my final court too,
Speaker 7: And so that was when the conversation happened where the
Speaker 7: four of us became a commodity in the house, whereas
Speaker 7: before but teams, it was like very like you couldn't
Speaker 7: really make you couldn't really make like strategy off of
Speaker 7: us being in teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an interesting shift in the game, and
Speaker 2: I think that it was all about surviving to get
Speaker 2: to that point. And then we all kind of was like,
Speaker 2: all right, we'll we have to work together now. And
Speaker 2: with obviously the only of Josh, it like worked because.
Speaker 4: With the exception, but everybody made it.
Speaker 1: And not that I not that I didn't want Josh
Speaker 1: to be there.
Speaker 2: I really like what I mean, I feel bad saying
Speaker 2: that because I'm like, I voted for him, so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, how can I say that, but I did.
Speaker 2: I was actually praying to God that his ball was
Speaker 2: not picked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough. The minute Chris one. I feel
Speaker 1: like the minute Chris.
Speaker 3: And Michayla won, I was inking at you guys sort
Speaker 3: of being like, Okay, what's gonna you know, I mean
Speaker 3: happy for them. And also yeah, because a victor, Chris
Speaker 3: is faced adversity, you know, good or bad getting there.
Speaker 3: So to make it and have that like peace of
Speaker 3: mind that he's going to the final is just wow
Speaker 3: and good on Chris. And and then Mikayla having that
Speaker 3: fear at that chat, I feel like maybe she's maybe
Speaker 3: that's the ultimate strategy and she's just psyching folks out
Speaker 3: because this is the second time you see Michaela pretend no,
Speaker 3: because remember she was like we've seen her get real
Speaker 3: scared at heights and then she like comes out on top.
Speaker 3: So like I don't I don't know how it works,
Speaker 3: but she's brilliant.
Speaker 2: She's motivated by fear. Man, there's nothing that could have taken.
Speaker 2: I thought the ladder was going to burst into flames.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this bitch is fucking.
Speaker 5: Incinerating this thing. Yes, she was amazing, amazing, like she
Speaker 5: was crushing it.
Speaker 4: I remember before the challenge, we walk up and if
Speaker 4: you see mikaela dead silent, you know she shook, So
Speaker 4: I knew she was terrified. But that's exactly like you said,
Speaker 4: Like she's so driven by fear that it's so it's
Speaker 4: so awesome to see in person. Like yeah, on the shows,
Speaker 4: but like when you see that and you see somebody
Speaker 4: so shaken and off and she's like like at the
Speaker 4: ViRGE of a panic attack and she just performs that,
Speaker 4: shits so amiable, so powerful. I was really I was
Speaker 4: so happy. Like while for my game, I wish we
Speaker 4: could have targeted Chris obviously, Like I was genuinely so
Speaker 4: happy when I heard both of them make it into
Speaker 4: the final because they had a journey, especially Chris his
Speaker 4: Papa was not easy, so they definitely deserved the spot.
Speaker 4: So I'm happy for those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of someone else who had a journey, and
Speaker 3: we we noticed, like I mean she earlier, Chanelle was
Speaker 3: pretty like chill. We don't see a ton of her
Speaker 3: up until this point in the game, but when we
Speaker 3: do see her, oftentimes she is making a facial reaction,
Speaker 3: whether it be a side eye or grimace or eye
Speaker 3: roll at Cassidy.
Speaker 1: So can you speak a little bit, Chanel? I wish
Speaker 1: we could do a montage like I do. I wish
Speaker 1: moments like this.
Speaker 3: That this podcast was visual, so we could just do
Speaker 3: a montage of those moments with Chanelle's standing their hands
Speaker 3: in pockets, head tilted to the side, which is like
Speaker 3: classic Chanelle, I feel like, and her just making a
Speaker 3: face while Cassidy's like giving a speech or comsbody out
Speaker 3: or whatever, and she just rolled her eyes right now
Speaker 3: in the video, you guys exactly. So Chanell, can you
Speaker 3: speak a little bit about your thoughts about you know,
Speaker 3: what you like about her strategy and gameplay, maybe what
Speaker 3: you didn't like, and then ultimately how you feel when
Speaker 3: you find.
Speaker 1: Out you're going into an elimination against her. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean from.
Speaker 7: The beginning of a game, Cassidy wasn't really protecting me.
Speaker 7: I think it was a case of Chanel's already protected,
Speaker 7: so I'm gonna just take credit for protecting her, right
Speaker 7: Like the Red Team. Yeah, the Red Team went into
Speaker 7: a like an agreement with the Blue Team that they
Speaker 7: weren't going to target us, and so Cassidy never at
Speaker 7: any point actually stuck her neck out on the line
Speaker 7: for me. And I think that there was assume survivor alliance, Like,
Speaker 7: there was no real survivor alliance. I didn't trust Chris
Speaker 7: Sebastian had his head in the clouds. Cassidy was chaosity
Speaker 7: in the game, so really, and then Michelle I was
Speaker 7: close to, and then obviously Dosi and Mikayla, and so
Speaker 7: there wasn't a real survivor alliance. And I think once
Speaker 7: we got to the individual portion, like I got to
Speaker 7: really experience Cassidy's game, and I think she played a
Speaker 7: very like lack of self aware, Like she played with
Speaker 7: the lack of self awareness. There are times in the
Speaker 7: game where I was like going like guns blazing towards
Speaker 7: the vets, and I realized I might be by myself
Speaker 7: in this fight, and I had to pivot and shift
Speaker 7: my strategy. Cassidy never shifted her strategy. She didn't play
Speaker 7: a dynamic game at all, and so it was really
Speaker 7: hard to play with her. And then I think the
Speaker 7: part that kind of made me roll my eyes at
Speaker 7: her was when she would like puff up her chest
Speaker 7: about her elimination wins and I'm like, baby, like, you
Speaker 7: didn't really go against formidable opponents, you know, like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not discrediting everybody she went against.
Speaker 7: I'm just being real, like if you kinda go on
Speaker 7: the sand, beat your chest and call someone out, like
Speaker 7: I mean, you gotta have like a real win under
Speaker 7: your belt.
Speaker 3: And so that was really but she's had several you
Speaker 3: can't take away I mean, she had several elimination win. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can't take away multiple An elimination win is an
Speaker 3: elimination win.
Speaker 2: But also think about the emotional stress you have to
Speaker 2: go through for potentially going in every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not even.
Speaker 2: Just battling an opponents, She's literally battling the house.
Speaker 5: Everybody wants her out of the game, you know, Like.
Speaker 7: Yes, I get that, I get that. And maybe the
Speaker 7: layup comment was a little bit harsh.
Speaker 3: But I guess you're so you're so referring to her
Speaker 3: as a layup when she's no, it was harsh.
Speaker 7: It was harsh. It was hard, Yes, harsh. I will
Speaker 7: I will walk that back a little bit. It was
Speaker 7: definitely harsh. I guess what I was really just trying
Speaker 7: to say was like I just wasn't impressed, right, I Like,
Speaker 7: I wasn't impressed.
Speaker 1: But even by multiple damn, you're hard to impress.
Speaker 3: We gotta look, we got it roll because Cassidy has
Speaker 3: been getting it and and she you know, like if
Speaker 3: roles were reversed, you don't think even after one elimination win,
Speaker 3: but certainly after multiple Now, granted her strategy did seem
Speaker 3: chaosity seemed very apropos as a name, because yes, her
Speaker 3: strategy all the things, it was a little interesting, but
Speaker 3: after even one elimination win regardless, because anything can happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen great to go out right, like
Speaker 3: any anything can happen in elimination, and she's also a rookie,
Speaker 3: and so to go in and come back even once
Speaker 3: I feel like you would swagger in there and be like,
Speaker 3: you know, you you'd have a little little extra height,
Speaker 3: uh in your stance there, but then to see her
Speaker 3: do it three times, she she obliterated the Alysses. We
Speaker 3: can just just the Alysses. We'll just call it she
Speaker 3: got the Alysses out Michelle as well. I mean, we
Speaker 3: gotta put some respect on Cassidy's name.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this point.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna put some respect on Cassidy's name. For sure.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say she obliterated the Alysses. I think she
Speaker 7: just beat them. But I'm gonna put respect. It was
Speaker 7: a close game both times. I'm gonna put some respect
Speaker 7: on Cassidy's name there. It's gotta be. I mean, I
Speaker 7: know I was isolated in my season of Survivor. There
Speaker 7: is a huge mental toll that it takes on you
Speaker 7: and to be able to fight through that and to
Speaker 7: still win and to show up like I will absolutely
Speaker 7: give her respect. I just didn't appreciate being called out
Speaker 7: like people will. Chanelle's a strong girl. She's not a
Speaker 7: strong girl. Whatever. You know, Like, whatever your opinion is fine,
Speaker 7: but don't call out like a really strong competitor when
Speaker 7: like you have won off of like you know, maybe
Speaker 7: not as great competitors in the and they say.
Speaker 3: Wait, I have a question for you. How big of
Speaker 3: your win in this elimination? How would you categorize that win?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a hall brawl is hard, but like, listen,
Speaker 3: if I went in a hall brawl against Tory and
Speaker 3: I want, I'd be like, all right, yeah, like I'm
Speaker 3: that great. If I went in against you know, like
Speaker 3: Alyssa Snyder or I'm sorry, actually I shouldn't call anyone out.
Speaker 6: If I don't think me smaller than me, right, I'd
Speaker 6: be like, yeah, like I would expect that outcome, right,
Speaker 6: But if I went against someone that, I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: I'm really proud that I beat them.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna feel like, you know.
Speaker 3: Ser you downplaying your win in the elimination? Is the
Speaker 3: question a little bit? Or is it fair for people
Speaker 3: to downplay your win also because it wasn't just a
Speaker 3: hall brawl, and it wasn't like a best two of three,
Speaker 3: which I think at that point, if we're gonna, if
Speaker 3: we're gonna I'm just playing the other side, if we're
Speaker 3: gonna hold you to that, when there's hall brawls that
Speaker 3: are best two out of three, that's crazy physically intense, right,
Speaker 3: because you're doing it solely off strength, and you're getting
Speaker 3: battered every time. When you're doing a hall borl that
Speaker 3: altimate at leads determined by a puzzle where y'all get
Speaker 3: relatively close in shouting out those numbers. I mean, is
Speaker 3: it fair to say then that should really rocked a
Speaker 3: hall brawl or did y'all just pass in the hallway
Speaker 3: and solve a puzzle. I'm just saying, if we're gonna
Speaker 3: hold Cassidy to a certain standard, is it only fair?
Speaker 7: Fair point? Fair point? Listen. I will say Cassidy is
Speaker 7: a competitor, she is not a layup at all. I
Speaker 7: just was not like blown away by her elimination wins.
Speaker 7: That's all I will say. Was my elimination win like
Speaker 7: a huge win? Honestly it was. It was, It was reasonable,
Speaker 7: But like I would feel much better if I went
Speaker 7: into the like arena and beat someone like a Tory
Speaker 7: or a Michael or does it. I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 7: like I'm really really proud of myself, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think those those moments come from like when
Speaker 2: you don't expect yourself to win, like you hope you do,
Speaker 2: but like you don't. And I think, like maybe walking
Speaker 2: into this, you had confidence that you could. You know,
Speaker 2: I definitely feel you because the eliminations most proud of
Speaker 2: are the ones where I thought I was going to
Speaker 2: get obliterated and somehow didn't. So I think it's like
Speaker 2: when we surprise ourselves. And Cassidy knew she was good
Speaker 2: at eliminations. You know, she was good at challenges on Survivor.
Speaker 2: She had mentioned that or competitions whatever they're called, and
Speaker 2: you know, so to see her, to see her go
Speaker 2: in like this and also to put in your ball
Speaker 2: like I mean, she didn't have many many options, you know,
Speaker 2: but I give her credit for for at least, you know,
Speaker 2: putting her ball on you and then seeing it through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh, what's your take on all of this?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on like Cassidy's elimination wins and
Speaker 3: just how.
Speaker 1: She moved in the game.
Speaker 4: No, I think listen, you win three eliminations. That is
Speaker 4: super impressive. And like Tory said, I mean, we all
Speaker 4: know the energy when you enter the elimination arena and
Speaker 4: all that stuff and being down in the sand, that
Speaker 4: in itself it's something that you know, you know, it's tough,
Speaker 4: and for her to come out on top all the time,
Speaker 4: come back into the house, be out numbered, targeted week
Speaker 4: after week. You know, I know that's really tough. So
Speaker 4: I am proud of her. I'm not gonna take that
Speaker 4: away from her. I think Chanelle and Cassidy off ripped
Speaker 4: in and rock with each other. That's just my take
Speaker 4: on it. You know, I thought the tension off the
Speaker 4: bat like they just weren't close. That's just the reality.
Speaker 4: They weren't close. I think towards the end they started,
Speaker 4: you know, getting along or whatever. But I felt like
Speaker 4: that competitive you want to say, that competitive energy where
Speaker 4: you know, Chanel would tell me things, Cassidy would tell
Speaker 4: me stuff. So I was like, all right, they really
Speaker 4: they're not in each other's corner, but they stuck together
Speaker 4: because of survivor. I think that's the only holding, like
Speaker 4: the glue that they had, right. But you know, I
Speaker 4: gotta and like Chanelle, I give Shanelle credit beating Cassidy.
Speaker 4: She's been down in the same three times. You won
Speaker 4: your way to finally, you can't knock that either. You're
Speaker 4: a badass, yeah, and you're a tough ass competitor. You know,
Speaker 4: if they highlighted or not, we lived, We we I
Speaker 4: swam with you next week, next to you in the water,
Speaker 4: never gave up. I competed side by side with you
Speaker 4: in challenges. So I know what each of these girls have.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm not gonna knock either of them
Speaker 4: because I think that both of them are really competitors
Speaker 4: and they're two rookies that I think they're going to
Speaker 4: become staples.
Speaker 5: I think that's I think that's such a good point.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I think the energy or across the board, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you should look at what you just did as a
Speaker 2: massive victory because it's the.
Speaker 1: Elimination right before the final. And yes it's a hall brawl.
Speaker 2: There was a physical aspect, but there was also after
Speaker 2: you get your brain can cussed by the other person,
Speaker 2: you have to then go to a puzzle.
Speaker 1: So it's like, don't you have got her brain?
Speaker 3: Because because we don't see her carry she basically carried
Speaker 3: Cassidy back to the engy, she did.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is all I'm saying is after impact,
Speaker 2: you then have to slow down your brain and think
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But yes, can we talk about how she we're getting
Speaker 4: the rules from production? There she goes she's like, can
Speaker 4: I drag her to my poll? No?
Speaker 1: You did not, Chanel.
Speaker 4: I did her down.
Speaker 8: On the sad and then drag her. They arguing like,
Speaker 8: do you really think you can drag me?
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, oh my gosh, oh we need you
Speaker 3: to on a rival season.
Speaker 1: We need arrival season.
Speaker 4: Can I drag her through this sand and just pin
Speaker 4: her down next to my board? I was like, she's nuts.
Speaker 1: Okay, so y'all really didn't get along. This is bigger
Speaker 1: personal level.
Speaker 7: On a personal level, I think Cassie is a great
Speaker 7: person from a game perspective.
Speaker 3: Now saying all that after you just tried to disqualify
Speaker 3: her three elimination wins and preemptively ask if you could
Speaker 3: drag her ass back to your side of the thing,
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 1: On a personal level, she's a good person to get
Speaker 1: out of here with that.
Speaker 7: On a personal level, I think she's nice and great.
Speaker 7: But from a game perspective, we just play very different games, right.
Speaker 7: I'm very logical. I like to think a strategy. I'm
Speaker 7: very like emotionally intelligent in my relationships and in my moves,
Speaker 7: where Cassie is just I'm very emotionally driven, very all
Speaker 7: over the place, very much static in her game play,
Speaker 7: and because of that, we just didn't really mesh that
Speaker 7: well in the game.
Speaker 1: And so am I and Josh didn't mesh that well
Speaker 1: in the beginning that too.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 7: And I think also for me, right, I just hold
Speaker 7: a very high bar for myself, and so sometimes right
Speaker 7: that bar comes out being projected on other people. Out
Speaker 7: hold a very bar for everyone else. And so when
Speaker 7: someone's not at that bar, I'm like, ooh, are you
Speaker 7: really that you know, yeah, it's not fair. That's not fair,
Speaker 7: because I will say that Cassidy I got I remember
Speaker 7: the one round where I got like four balls on
Speaker 7: my name and I like walked to the side of
Speaker 7: the tent just started crying to myself. And so like,
Speaker 7: I cannot discount the emotional toll and wait that Cassidy
Speaker 7: had to carry throughout the game, because I'm sure that
Speaker 7: that would break even the strongest of us.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, can we talk strategy about this elimination so
Speaker 3: we see it's Haulborough, right, and we know that that
Speaker 3: is you know, a very physical I've always said if
Speaker 3: I walked into the arena and it was hallbro, I
Speaker 3: probably just turn around and walk away, Like that would
Speaker 3: be even probably.
Speaker 1: Even if it was pillow puzzle bral.
Speaker 3: I mean actually so, so this would be the one
Speaker 3: time I might turn around and walk away and then
Speaker 3: turn back and be like fine. But for any of
Speaker 3: the other hall brawls, like it's just I've always been
Speaker 3: like I would probably walk away. I say that, but
Speaker 3: I'm also stubborn, so who knows. But they're just scary,
Speaker 3: they're hard. But with this one, because it wasn't just
Speaker 3: determined by who got to the other end first, right,
Speaker 3: which they usually are.
Speaker 1: It's usually who gets to the other end and that's it.
Speaker 1: So you have every.
Speaker 3: Incentive to do what it sounds like Sanel really wanted
Speaker 3: to do, which is drag Cassidy all the way back
Speaker 3: to her side or you know, take the other person here.
Speaker 3: The incentive is like even if you do all that,
Speaker 3: you then still got to solve this puzzle.
Speaker 1: So I was curious about why it seems.
Speaker 3: Like both of you spent a decent like like whether
Speaker 3: there were rules that were told to you, r what,
Speaker 3: But you spent a decent amount of energy fighting one
Speaker 3: another in the hall, and ultimately you're kind of risking
Speaker 3: your physical health going into the final Like if you
Speaker 3: make it out because you know you might be bruising,
Speaker 3: battered up or whatever, which is gonna hurt you in
Speaker 3: the final, but also when you you may win the
Speaker 3: hall part. But because I think we even see it,
Speaker 3: Like didn't Cassidy went and reported in an answer first
Speaker 3: that was wrong, but like she thought she had solved
Speaker 3: the puzzle at one point. So yeah, did you guys
Speaker 3: ever think maybe we don't fight that hard in the
Speaker 3: hall and we just I or not we, but just
Speaker 3: you know your own personal strategy, Like I don't fight
Speaker 3: that hard in the hall, I just gun it to
Speaker 3: that puzzle so I can solve it and win.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think you guys know my strategy. I
Speaker 7: wanted to drave Cassie all the way to my pupleow
Speaker 7: my strategy honestly squared againess that was my strategy. I
Speaker 7: was just gonna be my puzzle and hold her down
Speaker 7: until I think.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is becoming a Watch What Happens
Speaker 3: Live episode with Andy Cohne, and every time you say
Speaker 3: the word Cassidy drink or whatever you know, and.
Speaker 1: Like, I feel like that's what's happening.
Speaker 7: No, my strategy though, but it's so funny for the
Speaker 7: I don't know why I spent so much time in
Speaker 7: the hall, but I just wanted I knew I wanted
Speaker 7: to get to my puzzle first, but I was really
Speaker 7: disappointed when I saw the puzzle at the end of
Speaker 7: the hall braw like, puzzles are not my forte. I'm
Speaker 7: not really good. I honestly was like thinking Cassidy might
Speaker 7: win this because of the puzzle itself, and so I
Speaker 7: guess I just wanted to get to my puzzle as
Speaker 7: quickly as possible, have any kind of moments that, like,
Speaker 7: any additional time that I could could have to try
Speaker 7: and solve it. But I didn't really have that much
Speaker 7: of a strategy going into it.
Speaker 4: What about you, Josh, I think best. I think Fest
Speaker 4: was like, listen, we don't really best kind of put
Speaker 4: that out there, but I'm like, dude, we're gonna be
Speaker 4: First of all, there's nowhere to run. We have two Yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys, we had to you know, there was no
Speaker 4: way but to go through each other. So I think
Speaker 4: Fest through that out there, but at that point it
Speaker 4: was like, listen, I'm just gonna do what I can
Speaker 4: to get across. But to be honest with you, I
Speaker 4: wish it would have been a regular hall braw, like
Speaker 4: even going against Bessy at least I would have been like,
Speaker 4: all right, I take my out gladly this fuck. This
Speaker 4: dude ran me over three rounds, but I gave him
Speaker 4: a good fight. Like that one just felt a little
Speaker 4: I don't know, and it being one like one round,
Speaker 4: one shot just sucked.
Speaker 1: But yeah, one round, one shot. I thought it would
Speaker 1: have been nice to see it.
Speaker 4: It came down to the puzzle.
Speaker 3: It came down what do you guys think about Betsy's
Speaker 3: strategy to not even really do the puzzle, but just
Speaker 3: to keep going back and guessing numbers.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 7: Smarter, not harder. It's it's so interesting because I remember,
Speaker 7: right right after Josh put a ball on me that
Speaker 7: probably sent me in, He's like, Chanelle, so how do
Speaker 7: you solve this? How do you solve this puzzle? What's
Speaker 7: your strategy? And I was like, listen, the strategy is
Speaker 7: if you guess the number, your number is probably just
Speaker 7: one or two off from the actual, like right answer.
Speaker 7: So I was like, when you go back, I was like,
Speaker 7: just keep guessing one above or one below, Like that's
Speaker 7: typically how the puzzle kind of breaks down, and so
Speaker 7: we saw FESSI just going one more, one more, and
Speaker 7: then he finally hit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Josh did Chane'll give you this bit of
Speaker 2: infol prior to you going into.
Speaker 4: The right before Yeah, right before we were putting on
Speaker 4: our souldier pads and she was talking like she had said, Oh,
Speaker 4: I've done this puzzle before, like kind of you know,
Speaker 4: like that was feeling herself. So I was like, oh, bet,
Speaker 4: give me the poortus because I had never done a
Speaker 4: puzzle like that. I feel good with puzzles, but I
Speaker 4: have never seen one like that, at least all of
Speaker 4: the seasons I've done. So she was right. She was right,
Speaker 4: and it worked out, profess, But I was it felt
Speaker 4: so fast too. That was the one thing if like
Speaker 4: split like you play this game for so long and
Speaker 4: in seconds, it felt like not even forty five seconds
Speaker 4: the game was over. I was like, what so it
Speaker 4: just happened. It all happened so quick. But I'm proud
Speaker 4: of fast Man and he you know, he deserved his spot.
Speaker 4: So it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Does it feel good a little bit knowing at least
Speaker 3: one of your dearest friends is in the final.
Speaker 4: Yeah, und I mean, yeah, of course, but even looking
Speaker 4: up at everybody that was left, I was bawling my
Speaker 4: eyes out. But I was so happy for every single
Speaker 4: person because we truly every single person that was left
Speaker 4: at that point in the game, be it you were
Speaker 4: done in the sand three times of Cassidy and Chris
Speaker 4: or you know, we all played such a good game
Speaker 4: socially and connected and looked out for each other. So
Speaker 4: I was really just happy to see the group that
Speaker 4: made it. They were also deserving to be there.
Speaker 1: So this has been an amazing season. You guys are
Speaker 1: all amazing.
Speaker 3: And I have to give props to the VET guys
Speaker 3: and the rookie girls because there are there's only sorry
Speaker 3: touring Wow, because look at how many rookie girls. There's
Speaker 3: only one VET girl left. There's only one VET girl left.
Speaker 3: And these rookie girls came in and executed and stayed
Speaker 3: focused and made it happen and are arguable threats to
Speaker 3: win this this season. And I made it a point
Speaker 3: not to have spoilers this season for myself because I
Speaker 3: want to just like watch as a fan, and I
Speaker 3: really anyone could take it home. It's anyone's game. And
Speaker 3: then to the rookie guy or sorry to the vet
Speaker 3: guys because there's only one rookie guy left you guys.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Granted, some of the rookie guys this season were interesting,
Speaker 3: but as a whole meaning that I felt like the
Speaker 3: women came in laser focus. I felt like the women,
Speaker 3: the rookie women, came in sort of running the house
Speaker 3: from the jump, whereas for the rookie guys, I felt
Speaker 3: like some of them just were like, you know, sort
Speaker 3: of the vibe. But like, props to the rookie girls
Speaker 3: and even the rookie guys in the beginning for having
Speaker 3: the vets on the back foot for so long, because
Speaker 3: for a while it looked like it was definitely an
Speaker 3: uphill battle for them. But it makes this final really interesting. Josh,
Speaker 3: what will you do differently? Like one thing that you'll
Speaker 3: do differently when you come back next time, And what's
Speaker 3: one thing that you feel like works really well for
Speaker 3: you this season that you're definitely gonna incorporate into your
Speaker 3: strategy again.
Speaker 4: I mean, this whole season, I didn't have the outcome
Speaker 4: that I but I'm you know, I think with every
Speaker 4: single season, you learn from your mistakes, and I think
Speaker 4: that definitely crossing one of my really good friends in
Speaker 4: the game, being Johnny. I think that that was for
Speaker 4: me personally. That was even after we filmed. I was
Speaker 4: struggling with that so bad. We all traveled and we
Speaker 4: like for a week, went and did our thing, and
Speaker 4: I was still struggling with that internally, but I kept
Speaker 4: it to myself. I think that I would never cross
Speaker 4: what am I good. I'd rather cross myself, if I'm
Speaker 4: being honest, I'd rather like put myself down in the sand.
Speaker 4: That was a learning lesson. But I think also, don't
Speaker 4: make too many promises you can't keep. And I think
Speaker 4: that I made way too many promises that I couldn't
Speaker 4: cash and I'm the first one to admit that, and
Speaker 4: that's all I can do. But also I think that
Speaker 4: I'm While I'm disappointed how my game ended, I'm proud
Speaker 4: of the game that I played because it play a
Speaker 4: really good social game, if you want to say. And
Speaker 4: you know, I I was so laser focused on getting
Speaker 4: to the end that I lost sight at the end.
Speaker 4: But I still made it to top ten and I'm
Speaker 4: proud of that.
Speaker 3: And your hair looked great, Josh, by the way, and
Speaker 3: some of those interviews you were serving.
Speaker 1: Looks like you had a.
Speaker 3: Leather jack know one point, like I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: josh Like really I'd say this is one of your
Speaker 3: best seasons when it comes to that. So like you
Speaker 3: were serving, sir, and you did play a good game.
Speaker 3: You kept your cool even early on, and at the end,
Speaker 3: everyone can't go to the final right, so like, you know,
Speaker 3: it is what it is, but it's not even like
Speaker 3: I actually personally don't even think it was necessarily a
Speaker 3: karmic thing as much for I think we see it
Speaker 3: play out in the show sometimes, but I don't feel
Speaker 3: like personally it was that. I just think it wasn't
Speaker 3: It just wasn't your day.
Speaker 1: It wasn't your moment.
Speaker 3: But you did a really good and you didn't get
Speaker 3: booted out josh So like or you know, get that
Speaker 3: hot headed to wur you got mad and then throwing
Speaker 3: things or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So that's progress. Yeah, Joshua was so proud of yourself.
Speaker 3: Janelle, what's one thing you would do differently without giving spoilers,
Speaker 3: we don't know how it ends, but just in general
Speaker 3: from where we are now, Like, what's one thing that
Speaker 3: didn't work for you or that you're like, Okay, next season,
Speaker 3: I'd probably switch this up. And then what's something that
Speaker 3: you feel like, Oh no, I feel really good about
Speaker 3: how I utilize this, and I'm going to definitely do
Speaker 3: it again when I come back.
Speaker 7: I would say, from from a game perspective, I'm not
Speaker 7: sure if there's that much that I would change. I
Speaker 7: think like I was a little bit gullible, Like there
Speaker 7: were a few times where my really close allies like
Speaker 7: Michelle would just like kind of screw me over and
Speaker 7: I'd be like, Wow, why did I not see this coming,
Speaker 7: you know, And so I would just say, like just
Speaker 7: keeping my head on a swivel more. And I think
Speaker 7: from a just like perspective of being like bringing more
Speaker 7: of myself always to the season, I think that like
Speaker 7: sometimes it's hard to break out of like my very
Speaker 7: like logical and like laser focused shell. And so I
Speaker 7: would just say, like bringing more myself to the season.
Speaker 7: I think that I did it, you know, pretty well
Speaker 7: or much better than I did at Survivor, but we
Speaker 7: don't don't see it as much come across, and so
Speaker 7: I would just say like being you know, having more
Speaker 7: fun with it. Really, like I was really into the game,
Speaker 7: and I just want to have more fun with it
Speaker 7: next time. Also, Josh our fearless leader, I just have
Speaker 7: to give you props. You put together the most chaotic
Speaker 7: team ever.
Speaker 4: That a squad. Say, listen, I before we came into this,
Speaker 4: I had no ideation I was going to be on.
Speaker 4: But I saw her training we met prior to the season,
Speaker 4: and I was like, dude, this girl's badass. So as
Speaker 4: soon as I saw her there, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: I want her on my squad, and she's a great competitor.
Speaker 4: But I think that you saying that, Shane. I think
Speaker 4: as the season went on towards the end, we definitely
Speaker 4: saw you come out of your show. And I don't know,
Speaker 4: I just like, I'm so listen this the ending was
Speaker 4: a shit show for me. It was probably the worst outcome,
Speaker 4: but I'm just so happy and so thankful with God
Speaker 4: that one I continue to come back with the group
Speaker 4: that we were with, Like, I truly fucking I have
Speaker 4: so much love for these people and I'm so happy
Speaker 4: to see them continue in the game. And I'm just
Speaker 4: I feel so lucky that I was part of this.
Speaker 4: Like the season two of USA, it was such a
Speaker 4: good group of people and I feel like we're going
Speaker 4: to be stuck together moving forward in the future seas
Speaker 4: so yeah, even though means to know how to Rocky start.
Speaker 1: I think I think both of you guys had incredible seasons.
Speaker 2: And Chanelle, I just want to say, like my first season,
Speaker 2: I walked away feeling like I wish I would have
Speaker 2: done more or whatever. And I was a rookie who
Speaker 2: kind of stayed quiet through the entire game, just tried
Speaker 2: to win play politically, but like was very low key.
Speaker 2: Made it to a final and like that was massive
Speaker 2: in the challenge fandom eyes, Like what felt small to
Speaker 2: me because I felt like I could have given more.
Speaker 2: It's like I actually didn't give myself enough credit. Like,
Speaker 2: and I think that you maybe be in the same boat,
Speaker 2: because it's like you deserve to look at this entire
Speaker 2: thing and be like, holy crap. I made it all
Speaker 2: the way through this insane game, went to a hall
Speaker 2: at the very end, and made it into a finale.
Speaker 3: There's a lot the damn Final kid, absolutely like no,
Speaker 3: that's epic and legendary in and of itself, and you
Speaker 3: don't have to be in like I would just ask
Speaker 3: for more of your side eye and looks in future
Speaker 3: seasons because I live for it, Like it's always funny
Speaker 3: because the caramon would just like cut up to Chanelle
Speaker 3: like they something you're going on, and it would just
Speaker 3: like quickly cut to Shanell making a face and then.
Speaker 1: It would like cut back. I live for that.
Speaker 3: It was so like fun and I feel like we
Speaker 3: would get to see a little bit of oh, that's
Speaker 3: what she's thinking, or like ooh, Chanelle's not happy about that,
Speaker 3: which is fun. But yeah, like the ones sometimes who
Speaker 3: are the loudest or make a big show maybe too
Speaker 3: much of their personality, you're the ones that get sent
Speaker 3: home early sometimes. So you know, what you've been doing
Speaker 3: has definitely worked as long as you feel like you're
Speaker 3: getting the most out of the experience.
Speaker 1: Both of you, guys, it's been so fun to watch.
Speaker 3: I do think this is one of the best Challenge
Speaker 3: seasons in Challenge history. Yeah, I think it's Yeah, I do,
Speaker 3: I do. I think it's been so good. I tell everyone.
Speaker 3: I was telling people in the airport yesterday. They're like,
Speaker 3: get away from me with this, but I'm like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: Like I was telling my doorman because he's a Challenge
Speaker 3: I was like, no, this season, Like, really, it's just
Speaker 3: it's got all the things. So many of you guys
Speaker 3: are great, and you kind of root for everyone in
Speaker 3: their own way for different reasons, Like it's just you guys.
Speaker 3: It's been a chef's kiss of a season.
Speaker 1: Is there any parting world?
Speaker 3: So I get a lot of dms of people who's
Speaker 3: dream is to be on the Challenge. What's like one
Speaker 3: sentence to anyone listening who feels like one day I
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 1: I want to manifest being on the Challenge.
Speaker 3: What's like one the one piece of advice or the
Speaker 3: one thing that you would want to give to them
Speaker 3: or want them to know.
Speaker 7: I would say, like, just always believe you're the exception.
Speaker 7: I always believe that, and like that's going to help
Speaker 7: you manifest whatever you want. I'm like, why not me?
Speaker 1: So just be delusional in your believing self. Girl.
Speaker 3: I am happily deluded. I think, yeah, I'm delusion all
Speaker 3: the time, but it.
Speaker 1: Works half the time. So like, be delusional in yourself. Josh,
Speaker 1: what about you, what's the one thing that you would
Speaker 1: want to share?
Speaker 4: I think, first of all, fucking stay true or you
Speaker 4: would love the hell out of yourself because getting in
Speaker 4: this space and belond you got to be very very
Speaker 4: confident and love yourself, be happy in your own skin,
Speaker 4: because if not, people will destroy you. One day you're
Speaker 4: a favorite, the next day you're hated. Luckily, for me,
Speaker 4: I've been hated. It gives me the freedom to not
Speaker 4: give a shit. But I think that you know, there's
Speaker 4: so much negativity that comes with it, but then it's
Speaker 4: also such a blessing and I I'm just so thankful.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going to go on a remp, but I'm
Speaker 4: just so grateful that this has turned into my life,
Speaker 4: and I take the positive and it's just like, if
Speaker 4: this is what you want to do, then go for it.
Speaker 4: I never saw myself. I've been in this game for
Speaker 4: six years and I truly never thought it would end
Speaker 4: up on reality TV. So I feel very lucky. But
Speaker 4: if it's your dream, just block everybody out until you
Speaker 4: manifest and like Shaney said, and make it a reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: You guys are so great for If they want any
Speaker 3: more of this inspiration from me to inspirational gurus, or
Speaker 3: they want some strategy, maybe take the strategy from Chanel,
Speaker 3: a little less from Josh, but either way, still good
Speaker 3: good strategies. Where can they find you on socials? Where
Speaker 3: can they follow you?
Speaker 7: You guys can follow me on Instagram at Chanel Hoowe, TikTok,
Speaker 7: Chanel dot Howell and shameless plug. I did just launch
Speaker 7: my career consulting business, so I bio I do do
Speaker 7: pre consultations if you guys are trying to figure out
Speaker 7: what kind of careers you want to set into.
Speaker 1: Nice I love that.
Speaker 4: Yes, my my g's Josh Underscore Martinez and then Twitter
Speaker 4: is just madness.
Speaker 2: Well, it's always a pleasure talking to both of you guys. Chanelle,
Speaker 2: congrats on the launch of your yess. I'm so proud
Speaker 2: of you, and I mean, I'm sure the like not
Speaker 2: that my pride matters, but everybody who watches you should
Speaker 2: just know how difficult that is, the moves that you've
Speaker 2: made in your career to step away from you know,
Speaker 2: Goldman Sachs, to go the challenge to then start your
Speaker 2: own career. Like that's honorable and everybody should share her
Speaker 2: stuff and go check it out, because like, what a
Speaker 2: what a genius of a woman you are. And Josh,
Speaker 2: we love you and you're you have a heart of gold, So.
Speaker 1: Take care of that.
Speaker 2: Heart because you deserve to be loved and fuck the
Speaker 2: people who don't.
Speaker 1: Like you for real.
Speaker 4: Love you, guys, this is fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the need you're well, it's to prepare
Speaker 3: you for your Real Housewives audition. I may have episode
Speaker 3: Josh that you should be a Real Housewives.
Speaker 4: I gotta change it up. Something's got.
Speaker 1: You you are, Josh.
Speaker 3: Yes, you definitely are a bit of a roller coaster,
Speaker 3: but in an entertaining way, like somebody's got to do
Speaker 3: it and be it, and we love it. Thank you
Speaker 3: both so much for coming on the podcast and opening
Speaker 3: up and sharing about your experience. And Josh, we look
Speaker 3: forward to seeing You're a challenge staple at this point,
Speaker 3: so we definitely look forward to seeing you again soon.
Speaker 1: And Chanelle excited to see.
Speaker 3: I've made Tori swear not to give me spoilers, so
Speaker 3: like I am excited to see how it all turns out.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, what an interview Tor so good. Double Dose.
Speaker 3: I kind of like these double Dose moments. How do
Speaker 3: you feel about it?
Speaker 2: I mean it was a lot like both of them
Speaker 2: have completely different storylines right now, and obviously one of
Speaker 2: the storylines is continuing Chanelle's going to the final. Josh
Speaker 2: gets eliminated right before the final, Like it just feels
Speaker 2: like a lot like heavy in a way, yeah, but happy.
Speaker 1: But interesting right like where I feel like you're peeling
Speaker 1: back the layers, which is so cool.
Speaker 3: We're getting to learn a little bit more, I've said
Speaker 3: at Timetime again, this is proving to be one of
Speaker 3: my favorite seasons of all time.
Speaker 7: So good.
Speaker 3: And speaking of peeling back the layers and the onions,
Speaker 3: do you eat onions? But better question, even if you
Speaker 3: don't eat onions, where can people peel back your layers
Speaker 3: and find out more about you on social guys?
Speaker 1: You guys can watch.
Speaker 2: Me eat onions on Instagram for sure, at Tory Underscore
Speaker 2: Onion and.
Speaker 1: Tory Underscore deal.
Speaker 2: And I also just released a new book It's called
Speaker 2: The Soul Spill.
Speaker 5: So if you want to support me on my personal projects,
Speaker 5: it means the world to me.
Speaker 1: Click the link in my bio. But Devin, where can
Speaker 1: they watch you and your new onion cooking show.
Speaker 3: It's called Food you Don't Want to Eat? You can
Speaker 3: watch me or find me. You can go to my
Speaker 3: website devinsimone dot com. So that's Devin with the y
Speaker 3: Simone with an im dot com.
Speaker 1: If you go to the bottom, you'll see my socials.
Speaker 3: You can if you google Devin Simone Amazon, you'll find
Speaker 3: my Amazon channel, which is a lot of fun and
Speaker 3: I talk to challenges on there, we go live, we
Speaker 3: do some shopping together, so make sure you find that
Speaker 3: and click a follow button.
Speaker 1: And then Instagram. I'm probably most active ish on Instagram.
Speaker 3: So that's Devin with the Y Simone with an I,
Speaker 3: So make sure you guys check that out.
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