WEBVTT - The Treason For The Season w/ Chanelle & Josh 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.360 Hey friends, I'm Devin Simone and. 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:05.920 I'm Tory Deal and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.160 You guys, this is a very special episode of the 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.280 podcast because we have not won but two guests for 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.280 our interview today. But before we get into that, let's 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.560 do a quick breakdown of this episode, shall we? 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:17.960 Yes? 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:19.880 All right, So first we have the challenge burst your 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.040 bubble hot air Balloon rides by the Way ten out 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.120 of ten, love them, be smart about where you do them. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.920 We had the winners Mikayla and Chris. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:32.560 That was like wild one because michaela was terrified, terrified 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.800 of that, and then Chris because he's been the underdog 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.960 all season and this if there was ever a daily 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.879 to win, this was the one to win. I'm not 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.440 looking at you, Tori Elizabeth and saying that this was 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:44.600 the one to win, but I. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.520 Am saying this is I try. I know there weren't daily. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:49.760 This is the one to win. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.720 So that really puts It's also a double elimination, so 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.560 like that's a really huge deal because you have these 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.760 two people McKayla and Chris sort of in charge of 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.520 who's going down there, which is wild. Well, then we 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.120 have the voting, and of course Cassidy and Bessie are 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.400 the ones that are voted in, and the hopper selects 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.480 Chanel and Josh. I feel like this Cassidy and Chanell 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.760 thing has been brewing so kind of good to see 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.479 Bessie and Josh is heartbreaking because they're like bff besties. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.319 I mean yeah, I mean it makes for good TV, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.319 but it's always like disappointing. Interestingly, though, so Josh votes 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.360 for bananas, and bananas is hot. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.400 You vote for Josh and Josh is chill? What's some event? 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.039 I think that there was a lot of pain involved 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.000 in like just emotional. It's not that he wasn't upset, 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.480 it was just that he wasn't angry. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.000 He was hurt. It was even worse. Yeah, it was 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:42.440 like when. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.800 Your parents like I'm disappointed in you, Right, That's what 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.000 it was. And I think Josh had already felt so 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.080 bad because he was really in between a rock and 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.360 a hard place. When Fessie said, if you don't put 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.000 in bananas, then you know, how can we be friends 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:56.440 after this? 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.200 Like FESSI kind of gave Josh and ultimately he did, yeah, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:00.720 And I thought that was like. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.360 Listen, I get it's a game, and you do have 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.040 to pick who you're working with, but like, that's not 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.760 an easy decision for Josh to make. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.880 It's not an easy but he made it harder for 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.160 himself by telling Bananas. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:11.880 Yeah, right off the bat. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.320 I would never put I'm never I put it on 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.399 my life, Like why why? 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:17.120 Oh? 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.160 This is what I think happens in the challengehouse, Like 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.360 you really do for a split second think that you 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.839 are probably gonna align with somebody, and then somebody else 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.000 getch in your ear, and then like fifteen minutes later, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.560 you're looking at it from a different angle. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.480 And I think that if Josh wouldn't have said. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.079 I swear on my family's life, then I feel like 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:35.840 it would be easier to look at the situation and 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.400 see how much time while he was in. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:38.640 But it was like that one. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.000 Little phrase, it just pushes the whole thing over the end. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.720 Yes, it does total housewise behavior. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.280 So so then we have this epic competition and it's 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.760 the thing that we knew was coming or likely coming 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.240 all season. It is a hall brawl, but this time 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.600 it's a haul brawl with a twist. I'd say it's 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.760 it's my type Haull brawl. It's a hall roll, so 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.200 that means it's anyone's game, which makes it super interesting. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.520 So we have the hall brawl. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.520 The boys basically got rid of their pads instantly, and 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.079 then you're just like fighting the girls. I mean, Chanelle 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.960 basically drug Cassidy back. We have more tea on that, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.280 by the way, in this interview that you're definitely gonna 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:20.000 want to hear. But our winners ultimately are Chanelle and Fessi, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.320 which means we see Cassidy and Josh go home. It 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.880 is a lot going on. It means everyone left is 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:26.640 going to the final. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.000 Wow. Yeah, absolutely Wow. What do you think is gonna 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:30.640 happen in the final? 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:30.840 Now? 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.280 Looking at the lineup? Ooh, you know, I've like, I've 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.560 thought about this. I prayed about it. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.600 No, I don't know, I kind of I actually I 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.240 kind of have a feeling, doctor Desi's gonna pull it 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.080 out that. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:46.840 This is my feeling. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.480 And by the way, I have for those who don't know, yes, 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.080 I work here, but I Tory has been committed, our 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.520 wonderful producer of Cole has been committed. I have no spoilers, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.360 so I do not know who wins. I did not 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.720 want to know. So if I'm right, amazing. But if 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.560 I'm wrong, well then you'll know. So I feel like 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.040 Desi's gonna pull it and actually I kind of I 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.640 want Corey. I feel like I want Corey to pull 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.520 it out too, I really really do. I mean, everybody, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.440 there's good toy. Obviously I love you, but you won 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.560 before I will adopt Desi and Corey I think are 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.320 my top two. I'm rooting for who are your gold star? 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:20.880 In timeouts for this week? 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.680 I gotta give my gold star to Chris because he 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.000 has like he was the only rookie boy left in 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.880 the entire game, and if he didn't win last week 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.360 or this week, then he was going right into elimination 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.400 both times, and so he kept himself safe. Not only 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.720 did he do that, but he really stirred the house 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.080 up when he put Fessian because it broke up a 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.479 bunch of friendships. So I think he when the pressure 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.000 really is on him, he knows how to perform, and 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.440 I think that he deserves. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.800 The gold star absolutely. I like that. Who do you 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.640 think well my gold star? 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.679 It's a toss up between Mikayla because of the fear 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.479 that we saw in her and the way that she 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.119 just right it is wild. The other toss up, though, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.320 are the rookie girls, because I have to say the 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.320 way they came in from the jump and organized and 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:13.360 like stayed united in a way, I call them Destney's Child. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.360 You guys have heard me say before, Destney's Child has 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.760 made it. All right, maybe we can make a reunion 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.080 tour happen, but Depstey's Child has made it and I 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.760 am so proud. I think as rookies and being placed 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.840 against some of the most epic challenge vets of all time, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.680 it's just really impressive. So I think it's between Mikayla, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.000 who's a part of Destney Child, or Dastey Child, and 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.600 I'm gonna have to give it to Desney's Child as 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.920 my gold star who gets your time out for the week. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.839 I mean, it's tough because I don't know if I 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.040 would go back and change how I voted, But I 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.479 really want to give it to myself because Josh is 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.159 really such a close friend of mine and it was 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.960 just such a It's one of those things where you 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.960 look at it and you wonder if you if the 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.120 challenge has made you more calculated and has like almost 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.279 made you lose your heart in a way because you 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.320 try to play so strategically that you stop forgetting to 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.000 play with emotions. Like I almost wonder if I took 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.320 my emotions too much out of the game. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:07.400 Listen to the. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:13.920 Soft side of Yeah, Elizabeth Ann, that's so sweet. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.080 That's so sweet. Oh, I love that. I'm not even 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.640 gonna give a time out. I'm just gonna let that 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:20.200 notes sit. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.159 I do want to leave a quick shout out though, 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.960 to Katie Para and Jackie Brinkley who DMed me and 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.280 said that they one of them. Katie loved TJ's nineties 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.280 button up in Carhart from weeks ago, and Jackie loved 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.560 TJ shirt as well. I appreciate you guys recognizing TJ's wardrobe. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.240 I also want to give a big shout out to 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.400 my dear friend, an avid Challenge fan and watcherer Clinton 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:43.960 Kelly and his husband Damon. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:44.960 They're big Challenge fans. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.000 They listen to podcasts all the time, and so I 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.920 want to give them a shout out for always listening 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.200 and listening to the end, like, Hi, Glan, we won't 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:54.560 he has to come on one day, Maybe he can 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.599 do like a wardrobe breakdown of the whole episode. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.760 I feel like that'd be hilarious. You guys should do 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.280 that for me. I could use the hell all right, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:04.680 you know that is true. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.640 I always look at your hair, though I don't always 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.719 look at your fashions because your hair is just popping 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.720 all the time, so it doesn't even I don't even. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:11.920 Pay attention to the way you're learning on that. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.320 Okay, you guys, this is going to be such an 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.440 epic episode you're not gonna want to miss it. We 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:22.080 have Chanelle and Josh here all right, sharing their sides 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.520 of the story. There are strategies in the game and 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.720 some inside scoop on what really went down that we 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.200 didn't see, including a crazy request that Chanelle had just 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.360 before the elimination. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.160 It is wild, y'all. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.000 You are not gonna want to miss this, So grab 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.200 a snack, do your thing, take us with you, and 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.360 come back to this amazing interview right after this. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.120 All right, guys, Well, it's our favorite part of the episode, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.880 except this time we're double lucky. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.840 We're kind of playing on TJ's double elimination and we're. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.680 Having a double guest podcast. I mean, listen, this episode. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.440 Was wild, So who else better to have than Chanelle 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.840 Howell she played on Survivor forty two absolutely crushing it 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.760 this season. And also Josh Martinez, who I'm sure. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:15.880 Has a lot to say this episode. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:21.320 Welcome guys, Hi, guys, welcome all right, before getting to 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.840 have to say, Josh, you seem real nervous. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:28.640 I'm not doing so well on this, but I'm excited 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.240 to talk it out with you guys. But yeah, I'm not. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.079 I'm not gonna lie. I'm a little I'm a little 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.040 uneasy right now. It's just tough having to relive all that. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.040 So we'll get into all that now. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.760 Okay, Well it's a safe space. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.720 Yeah, one that may have some side eye, only two 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.920 percent judgment, but it comes from a place of love. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.920 Okay, so like. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.200 A therapy session, but we're not licensed at all. We'd 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.960 be shut down if we were. And our theme here 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.680 is that we don't overthink it. We just over so 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.480 for both of you, Chanelle and Josh, feel free. We 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.840 want to know all the tea behind the scenes because 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.400 you know, Tory tails of some stuff, but she'd be 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.599 leaving out stuff, so we want to know all the 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.640 thoughts before we get into that though this was there 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.800 were two very different outcomes for the both of you 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.600 in this episode. How does it feel for each of you? 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.200 Sort of looking back on that now, now, why don't 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:20.640 we start with you? 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.559 Yeah, well, thank you for the into Torri. This obviously 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.120 was like best case scenario coming into this game as 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.880 a rookie, Like there's a lot kind of writing on 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.040 your shoulders, wanting to make a name for yourself, wanting 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.320 to prove yourself, and then you know, just to make 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.120 it to a final. It feels really massive. So I'm 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.400 happy with the outcome of it. And the crazy thing is, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.559 I know that I had to go into an elimination 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.520 to feel like I fully, fully like earned it, earned 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.440 my spot, deserved to be there. So yeah, I mean 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:52.960 it was a good outcome for me obviously. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.760 Josh, what about you, Yeah, I mean not the outcome 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:05.199 that I wanted. But to be honest with you, I, oh, 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.480 I don't know. It's hard. I you know, I've done 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.080 six seasons. I haven't had the success that I've wanted 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.320 on the show, and I think the end goal for 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.960 all of us is to win it, but also to 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.400 just make a final and put myself through that. So 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.240 it's really hard, it's really disappointing. But I think that 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.960 you know, as you see in the episode, I was 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.760 willing to do whatever, and I think I lost a 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.600 bit of myself this season. I was so locked in 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.840 on doing whatever it took to get to a final 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.079 that you know, I lost myself and lost a bit 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.120 of my like moral compass, if you want to say so. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.360 In a way, I didn't feel like I earned it 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.520 or I deserved that spot because I didn't stay true 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.320 to who I am as a person. So I mean 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.320 it played out how I played out. It's definitely a learning, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.800 growing pain, growing lesson. But yeah, it's tough, it's hard. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.120 I think that, Like I can totally agree with you, 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.360 And throughout this entire season we've seen Karmack responses, and 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.600 I think those Karmak responses will continue even through the final. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.160 Probably this is just the name of the game when 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:05.319 it comes to the challenge, Like. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.079 There is this spirit that exists in the show. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.560 It's like you try to play it, but if you 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.200 play too hard or you think too much about something, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.240 it may play you back. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.400 So I feel you on that, and I think it's 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.280 its own beast. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.160 But in the beginning of this episode, we really got 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.800 to watch both of you guys. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.600 Share your personal stories, which was super, super beautiful and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.280 I would love to hear more about that. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.600 And Shanel, let's start with you first. 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.000 Yeah, I mean it's so interesting. Like I truly say 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.720 I manifested going on the challenge because I did not 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.800 think I was going to get a call. I maybe 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.720 like nine or so months before filming, I was like, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:41.680 you know what, I think I'm going to go on 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.000 the Challenge and I literally just started training like crazy. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.160 But I knew it was a long shot because I 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.880 was a pretty middling player on Survivor, Like there are 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.080 other contenders in my head that would get the call 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.040 before me. So like when they called me, I was like, wow, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.960 like this this is like serendipit, this almost and like, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.120 you know, I haven't shared this publicly, but I gave 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.560 up a lot to go on this show, Like I 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.520 you know, left my corporate job at Goldman Sachs to 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.120 play the challenge and so it was just like you 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:18.240 better fucking work like you better, like like really, Stevens. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.480 So sorry my face, I am still shocked. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:26.880 If you guys know the significance of that holy hell, girl, wow, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.359 oh my god, all the things. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.360 Sorry continue, we'll get back to that. 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.560 And so I just felt like I felt like I 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.079 just had to really do well because I gave up 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.480 so much to come and play this game. And so 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.280 it was a really like beautiful experience to like get 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.640 the opportunity to play. And I just felt like I 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:54.440 had just so much writing on it, so like an honor. Obviously, Yeah, 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.840 what exactly was your role at Goldman. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.760 I mean you have to give us super details, but 0:12:58.760 --> 0:12:59.880 what exactly. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.560 I was working in strategy? But I mean, obviously it 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.040 was the challenge. It was a very calculated decision, like 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.160 I'm never gonna go into anything like full fledged, like 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.640 I'll playing by the seat of my pant. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:11.679 I don't think y'all know. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.480 I just look, I have some clients as a mastually 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.600 grab some clients get we know what our clients make, 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.360 and I have clients that are it's all sorts of roles, jobs, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.400 job less teachers exact. I know what Goldman Sachs folks 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:29.920 generally can be raking in. So I understand the significance 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.360 of giving that up on a manifestation, Girl, you have 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:34.760 more faith than a mustard seed. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.520 That is for sure. Wow. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.920 I mean I said it at the end. I said, listen, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.880 I'm always gonna bet on myself, and this is like 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.640 another one of those where I bet on myself. I 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.360 was like, I'm good. I just gonna put myself in 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.480 the best position to win. And I trained for this 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.840 call for nine months and if I get the call, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:50.679 I'm gonna take it. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.840 So that was really is amazing. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 That is so that's why you that's why you thrived 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.760 at jumping on the trampoline doing the math? 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.160 Is that what you're doing gold sacks? You jump on 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:02.880 terurbolines and do strategy. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.800 I feel like that's shade because I obviously flopped on that. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.679 Oh you were the first girl done in the mid Yeah, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:11.640 in the math version. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.480 Yeah, it's not that's true. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.440 Okay, yeah, the math portion I'm genuinely talking about. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.959 Oh man, you know, why did you want to come 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.800 on the challenge so bad? Were you a fan of this? Like, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.600 had you watched it before? Were you a fan of 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:23.000 the show. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.320 I started watching My actual first season of Real World 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.120 was cancuon and I was like, oh my god, I 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:29.680 love John A. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.320 And then I like just missed the really really good season. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.920 It was about one season before that, but was that 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:36.720 your ENTI. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:42.120 Yeah, yeah, And then I dabbled in road Rules and 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.640 then maybe like five ish years ago, I got into 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.160 the Challenge and I was hooked. But I think, like 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.320 it's definitely a little bit of ego. I like lived 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.000 a dream going on Survivor and not performing the way 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.560 that I wanted. I feel like I like needed to 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.640 prove myself. I like had something left out there, and 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.520 so that was really what was driving. Honestly, very ego driven. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.800 But I was like, I need to play a game 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.600 again that's gonna be in my wheelhouse right where I 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.360 can rely solely on my abilities Survivor, if enough people 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.680 don't like you, like you're gone, you're voted out. But 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.960 the Challenge, it's like I live and die by my 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.880 own hands, my own strength mind, and like I said, 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.640 I'm gonna bet on myself. So I really wanted to 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.520 play a game that was more so in my arena. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.720 So that was really like what the what the goal was? 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.480 Having watched the show where you a fan of like 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.840 before coming to that, what, Yeah, let's do a little quiz. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.640 We did this with Mikayla and people seem to really 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.480 like it online. So really quick pop quiz. So since 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.560 you did watch the show a little bit before coming 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.560 in and you were a fan of the show, let's 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:47.000 talk some of your favorites or your thoughts on their strategies. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.560 Let's start with tory strategy in past season, so excluding 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.320 this season, as you've seen her play, give me one 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.280 word to describe how you are giving one word to 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.720 describe Tory's gameplay. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:10.000 Messy, book, messy but safe, safe and messy sounds sexual? 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:17.480 You would you would you've talked about this, you would, okay, messy, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:18.920 but say, how do you think it's safe? 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.680 What do you think she does it? Plays it safe, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:21.520 she plays with. 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:26.200 Her friends, which is a strategy, plays protected, which I 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.160 saw is a great strategy, but messy because she has entanglements, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.400 you know, mm hmm. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:33.600 Shout out to Will and Jada. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:39.360 What would you say about Corey's strategy politics? 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:41.640 Okay? 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.160 What about fetsies. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.840 Festsy I'd say, like, I mean, he just goes off 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.960 his strength, so like just pretty pretty like low key, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.080 like one dimensional, very one. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.400 Dimensional perform performance. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.720 Yeah, okay, And what would you say about our dear 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:06.800 friend Josh's strategy previous seasons. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.359 Mister congeniality, but in the worst way, the worst way, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.920 because if you have too many friends, you've got too 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.280 many checks you can't cash. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.000 That's a good way to describe Josh b shopping out 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.960 of his budget, just regularly on the challenge, handing out 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.440 dollars and credit to people, and then then it's like, oh, 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.720 I don't I don't have any more money, but we will. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.080 We will get into that. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.320 Torri, what was it like watching this episode back for you? 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.080 And how nervous were you when michaela ultimately won the 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.199 daily that you'd be the primary target. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.080 So this day in itself was very difficult, and Josh 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.120 and Chanell can speak to this. We woke up at 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.240 like four o'clock in the morning. We had to be 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.720 at the hot Air balloons by seven am, and the 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.919 whole challenge was over by like nine because there was 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.880 like a wind issue and they wanted to make sure 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:03.359 we could do it. So we were so drained from 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.320 that morning from waking up so early, to the point 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.520 where after the adrenaline had already dropped from the challenge 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.679 being over. I remember just us laying down. We had 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.359 to wait two hours to go back to the house 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.720 to even go to lunch, so we all just laid Yeah, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.919 we all just laid on the concrete and kind of 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.880 just sat there and bassed in the fact that this 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.720 is truly the last day, like we knew the. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:23.879 Final was like right there. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.440 And I remember I think I looked over at Chanel. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.720 I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm going in and 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.080 she was like, no, you're not, and I was like, 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.000