Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have my friend
Speaker 1: Tim Murta with me today. He is the founder of
Speaker 1: Line Drive Public Affairs and he was also a senior
Speaker 1: advisor on the twenty twenty four Trump campaign and was
Speaker 1: the communications director for Trump in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3: Good to see you again, Tutor. I am pleased as
Speaker 3: it can be to be with you again. Thanks for
Speaker 3: having me on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so, we have so much to get to.
Speaker 1: We were chatting a little bit about it before we
Speaker 1: went on the air, and so I want to I
Speaker 1: want to get into all of it. But you were
Speaker 1: telling me about this Biden pill penalty. It's something that
Speaker 1: I didn't even know was a problem out there. I
Speaker 1: think most Americans probably don't realize this, but I think
Speaker 1: we're kind of a little bit more aware of the
Speaker 1: fact that we have issues with our pharmaceuticals. From the
Speaker 1: standpoint of we saw during twenty twenty suddenly everything's being
Speaker 1: made in China.
Speaker 2: We can't get it here.
Speaker 1: Now there's something new we should be worried about we
Speaker 1: probably don't even know about. To explain a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Biden pill penalty to us.
Speaker 3: This thanks very much for bringing this up. This is
Speaker 3: something that was snuck into the Inflation Reduction Act, the
Speaker 3: poorly named Inflation Reduction Act is as we all know,
Speaker 3: it didn't do anything to reduce inflation, but it was
Speaker 3: passed by Joe Biden and the Democrats. Not a single
Speaker 3: Republican voted for it, and allegedly he was doing this
Speaker 3: to try to do something about the cost of medicine,
Speaker 3: but it actually has the opposite effect. What the Biden
Speaker 3: pill penalty does is it treats different categories of medicine differently.
Speaker 3: You have one category of medicine, which are called large
Speaker 3: molecule medicine, and think of these things as they have
Speaker 3: to go to the doctor's office or the hospital to
Speaker 3: get talking about IDs or injections or infusions. Those are
Speaker 3: more inconvenient. Of course, you have to go to the
Speaker 3: hospital or doctor to get them, and they're far more expensive.
Speaker 3: On the other side, you have a different category of
Speaker 3: pills of medicine, which are called small molecules. Think of pills.
Speaker 3: These are the medicines that people can take at home.
Speaker 3: They're much more convenient. We know that people are more
Speaker 3: likely to take in the medicine that they need if
Speaker 3: it's convenient for them, if it's easy to get you
Speaker 3: can get pills by mail, you can take them at home.
Speaker 3: They're much more convenient, and they're also cheaper. Pills on
Speaker 3: average are seventy one percent cheaper than the biologic large
Speaker 3: molecule forms. And that makes perfect sense to want to
Speaker 3: have people take those kinds of medicines. But what did
Speaker 3: the Biden pill penalty do. It drove people away from
Speaker 3: the cheaper, more convenient medicines. And what that means is
Speaker 3: it drives up costs of the medicines themselves. It caused
Speaker 3: drives up the cost to make them, It drives up
Speaker 3: the costs for patients, and it drives up the cost
Speaker 3: for the entire healthcare system. It discriminated against pills by
Speaker 3: making it short by the government can come in and
Speaker 3: set prices on pills earlier than they can for biologic
Speaker 3: So it is driving all of the research dollars away
Speaker 3: from pills and towards these more expensive, more convenient, more inconvenient,
Speaker 3: large molecule medicines. And the result is that since this
Speaker 3: was introduced in twenty twenty one, seventy percent of the
Speaker 3: research and development dollars for pill medicine has gone away.
Speaker 3: It's either gone to the large molecule injection drugs, the
Speaker 3: IV drugs, or it's even left the pharmaceutical industry entirely.
Speaker 3: It's on to AI or to the energy sector where
Speaker 3: people are investing their money. It is if you were
Speaker 3: talking about caring about the cost of medicine to people,
Speaker 3: to consumers, to patients, and to the entire healthcare system.
Speaker 3: The Biden pill penalty is about the dumbest thing you
Speaker 3: could ever have possibly conceived. But Biden and the Democrats
Speaker 3: did it. Republicans can save it. However, President Trump signed
Speaker 3: an executive order just the other day that addresses the
Speaker 3: cost of prescription medication, and getting rid of the Biden
Speaker 3: pill penalty is something that's in there. He directed the
Speaker 3: Secretary of HHS to work for Congress to do this,
Speaker 3: and Congress can do it. There's a piece of legislation
Speaker 3: called the Epic Act, which would get rid of the
Speaker 3: Biden pill penalty. But the more likely way that it's
Speaker 3: going to happen is through budget reconciliation, which is going
Speaker 3: to be happening in Congress over the course of the
Speaker 3: next number of weeks. So the Biden pill penalty. It's
Speaker 3: completely backwards. It drives up the cost of medicine, It
Speaker 3: drives up the cost of healthcare generally, and it forces
Speaker 3: people away from pills, which again is seventy one percent
Speaker 3: cheaper than the alternative and the more inconvenient large molecule
Speaker 3: injection IV form medicine that people have to go to
Speaker 3: the hospital.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think right now we have a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are very skeptical pharmaceutical companies. I think
Speaker 1: after twenty twenty, we have the MAHA movement, we have
Speaker 1: RFK who's come out and said he's going to take
Speaker 1: a look at all this stuff. So I think when
Speaker 1: you talk to some of these people, they're a little
Speaker 1: bit concerned about, well, well do I even want drug
Speaker 1: companies doing this research? But I think that what you're
Speaker 1: pointing out is critical right now because you have a
Speaker 1: Health and Human Services Department the agency.
Speaker 2: That is going to be actually looking at this.
Speaker 1: And an FDA that is going to be looking at
Speaker 1: the research in a different way than they had in
Speaker 1: the past. We just had somebody on the podcast who
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, the FDA, they were exposing some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that they say Johnson and Johnson has done,
Speaker 1: and they said that they had proof that the FDA
Speaker 1: had actually worked with Johnson and Johnson, been paid by
Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson, and there was a collaboration there. Now
Speaker 1: you have an FDA that is not biased, that wants
Speaker 1: to be involved in this research. If you have pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: companies stepping out of that right now because there is
Speaker 1: no competitive advantage or there is no financial advantage, and
Speaker 1: they're putting money into a different type of medication, right now,
Speaker 1: we have potential years of breakthroughs that will not be
Speaker 1: monitored by this MAHA movement.
Speaker 2: It's I think that's a double whammy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And look, I think there and we're talking about
Speaker 3: two different categories of drugs, right the large molecule versus
Speaker 3: small molecules or pills, And there's pharmaceutical companies of course
Speaker 3: in both of those camps. So if you're looking for
Speaker 3: logic as to why Joe Biden and the Democrats did this,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you're going to find it.
Speaker 3: You'd have to ask if he can possibly answered this question,
Speaker 3: why Joe, why did you do this? I mean, he
Speaker 3: probably doesn't enough, but it's kind of like the same
Speaker 3: logic that they have where they try to force people
Speaker 3: to drive electric vehicles and then force everyone to use
Speaker 3: wind and solar panel which doesn't produce enough electricity to
Speaker 3: charge the electric vehicle. If you're trying to find logic
Speaker 3: in what they do and how they pick winners and losers,
Speaker 3: you're not going to find it. But you're exactly right.
Speaker 3: I mean, this really does all boil down to costs
Speaker 3: to the consumer. As I said, the pills are seventy
Speaker 3: one percent cheaper than these other forms of medicine. And
Speaker 3: the fact is the Biden pill penalty discourages the development
Speaker 3: of generic drugs coming into the market. There is no
Speaker 3: longer any incentive for a company to develop a generic
Speaker 3: form of a drug to get into the market quickly,
Speaker 3: to become the first one in there. The Biden pill
Speaker 3: penalty destroys that incentive. And as we know, take the
Speaker 3: cholesterol drug Libatory, which is a great example. Everyone knows
Speaker 3: about this. Because of generics in the cholesterol drug market,
Speaker 3: you can get your cholesterol medicine for basically pennies a dose, right,
Speaker 3: that's because of generics. Pill penalty actually actively discourages the
Speaker 3: entry of generics into the market. It is completely backwards
Speaker 3: for a cost saving approach. If you care about the
Speaker 3: price of prescription drugs. The Biden pill penalty is exactly
Speaker 3: the opposite of what you would do because it discourages
Speaker 3: the development of pill form medicine. And again we're talking
Speaker 3: about mental health drugs, Alzheimer's drugs, cancer drugs. Hey, Joe
Speaker 3: Biden said, I'm going to be the president who cures cancer,
Speaker 3: and then he does this and drives research and development
Speaker 3: away from cancer drugs. It's ridiculous. And the University of
Speaker 3: Chicago has done a study about this. I'm glad you
Speaker 3: mentioned breakthroughs not happening. He ate different breakthroughs in medicine,
Speaker 3: either new medicines that would cure certain ailments or new
Speaker 3: applications for existing medicines. Eighty eight discoveries or breakthroughs have
Speaker 3: not occurred because of the Biden pill penalty and the
Speaker 3: result of that, Again, according to the University of Chicago,
Speaker 3: not's some you know, fly by night outfit. They're a
Speaker 3: very renowned world university. One hundred and sixteen million life
Speaker 3: years have been lost off of the life expectancies of
Speaker 3: Americans who are living today, one hundred and sixteen million.
Speaker 3: So you know, is that a year off or two
Speaker 3: off of your life, off of my life, all my
Speaker 3: kid's life. You know, how do you calculate the value
Speaker 3: of that. But the real cost of this is not
Speaker 3: only in the health because people are not going to
Speaker 3: be able to use the pills at home that are convenient.
Speaker 3: They'll end up in the hospital because they're not taking
Speaker 3: care of ailments on the front end, and then they'll
Speaker 3: get more serious down the road. But again, pills are
Speaker 3: seventy one percent cheaper than the ones that you have
Speaker 3: to go to the hospital for. And Joe Biden is
Speaker 3: driving people still He's no longer president, and he's still
Speaker 3: having this effect, driving people to the more inconvenient, more
Speaker 3: extensive drugs that you have to go to the hospital for.
Speaker 3: The Biden pill penalty. It has got to go. Congress
Speaker 3: can do it, and it's good that Trump President Trump
Speaker 3: is on board with this.
Speaker 1: Well, so you mentioned that you think Joe Biden probably
Speaker 1: had no idea that this was going in there, and
Speaker 1: I suspect that he doesn't really understand. But Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a few things then that we have to talk about.
Speaker 1: We have to be aware of who we are electing
Speaker 1: and how well they know the issues, because you saw
Speaker 1: this when Kamala Harris went out and she was interviewed.
Speaker 2: She didn't know the issues.
Speaker 1: That was people say, oh, podcasts for the reason that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump got elected, But it wasn't just that he
Speaker 1: went on podcasts. It was that he was able to
Speaker 1: actually coherently speak on podcasts and understand all the issues.
Speaker 1: You need to look at your candidates and understand do
Speaker 1: they understand do they know the issues? And then there's
Speaker 1: the other side of this, that is, are some of
Speaker 1: these militias or is this just irresponsible? Because I think
Speaker 1: so often I see legislators and people in government who
Speaker 1: want to push something through but they haven't game planned
Speaker 1: out all of the different effects. So is it malicious
Speaker 1: or is it irresponsible legislation that they didn't go?
Speaker 2: Man, you know what? This is really going to screw
Speaker 2: up the whole industry?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's kind of anyone's guess. And I
Speaker 3: have some theories as to why stuff like this happens,
Speaker 3: especially with something this monstrosity, the Inflation Reduction Act. First
Speaker 3: is first thing. The liberals, the left and you know this,
Speaker 3: they are the kings of mislabeling things, describing things describing
Speaker 3: pieces of legislation as exactly what they are not.
Speaker 1: You know, the I know what you said, it was
Speaker 1: a terrible name, the Inflation Reduction Act. I'm like, actually,
Speaker 1: great name, because it was very deceitful.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, that's that's exactly what they do. And
Speaker 3: you know, they're every single Democrat in Congress who voted
Speaker 3: for this thing. And again I would point out that
Speaker 3: no Republicans voted for it, and I would hazard a
Speaker 3: guess that as Joe Biden or the Auto Pen or
Speaker 3: whoever it was who signed the legislation after the pass Congres,
Speaker 3: there's no way he knew everything that was in it,
Speaker 3: you know. And you tell members of Congress, hey, we've
Speaker 3: got this thing. It's called the Inflation Reduction Act, right,
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yes, who could vote against that if
Speaker 3: you're a Democrat, especially since Joe Biden was the one
Speaker 3: pushing it, and Republicans were saying, you know, this is
Speaker 3: a bad idea, We're all going to vote against this.
Speaker 3: They just they misnamed things. I'm not sure that this
Speaker 3: is all written by staff. There is no chance that
Speaker 3: members of Congress actually who voted for it actually read
Speaker 3: the whole thing. There's no chance. And I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you who does know what's in it. China.
Speaker 3: China knows what's in the Reduction Inflation Reduction Act because
Speaker 3: they have taken advantage of the Biden pill penalty that's
Speaker 3: in there. And China has since twenty twenty one, has
Speaker 3: by leaps and bounds, ramped up its research and investment
Speaker 3: in pill form medicine. They are now trying to catch
Speaker 3: up to the United States and are almost there. They
Speaker 3: are putting every dollar they can in developing new pill
Speaker 3: form medicine in China because it's a way for them
Speaker 3: to keep their people, their workforce healthy and with longer
Speaker 3: life spans than their competitors on the other side of
Speaker 3: the world, the United States of America. China knows an
Speaker 3: opening when they see it, and you better believe China
Speaker 3: reads the legislation that the people on the left passed
Speaker 3: through here and it is doing this is an example
Speaker 3: of wrong headed legislation where it actually, you know, Congress,
Speaker 3: this is what Congress has the ability to do. They
Speaker 3: can either encourage certain behaviors or discourage certain behaviors. The
Speaker 3: Biden pill penalty discourages investment in cheaper, more effective, more
Speaker 3: convenient medicines, and it encourages money to go to the
Speaker 3: more expensive, more inconvenient sort of medicines of last resort
Speaker 3: that you have to take at the hospital. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's by design, but that's the effect.
Speaker 1: Too often, there's unintended consequences with this legislation, and I
Speaker 1: see it in Michigan. I mean, you talked about the
Speaker 1: energy and these mandates that we have, that the electric
Speaker 1: car mandates and then the energy mandates that these leftists
Speaker 1: put in. Look at Michigan, it's a great example. We've
Speaker 1: got these we have to be what totally one hundred
Speaker 1: percent renewable energy, how ridiculous, impossible by twenty thirty five,
Speaker 1: and they want electric car mandates. So then what happens
Speaker 1: the unintended consequences of that is manufacturers say this is
Speaker 1: a this environment is volatile. I don't know that I
Speaker 1: can actually have the lights on. I don't know that
Speaker 1: my machines will always be working. If they're going to
Speaker 1: do this with energy, I've got to leave the state.
Speaker 1: We've had massive businesses leave the state. This unintended consequence
Speaker 1: is very severe, and it's very radical, and happens quickly.
Speaker 1: I mean, this this situation with China, suddenly we're even
Speaker 1: more reliant on China.
Speaker 2: That would be a terrible situation.
Speaker 1: And we are at the standoff right now with them
Speaker 1: with the tariffs, and it's it's an interesting scenario because
Speaker 1: they're very reliant on us, of course, because we're buying
Speaker 1: most of their product. I mean, I think it's like
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty five billion dollars that were oft
Speaker 1: we're bringing in every year from China. It's very, very significant,
Speaker 1: and they're only taking in about three hundred billion from US.
Speaker 1: So we are buying a lot from them. But if
Speaker 1: we put this in their lap, this is our health,
Speaker 1: how do you trust that?
Speaker 3: No? I mean, you're you're exactly right. This the Biden
Speaker 3: pill penalty is a parallel for a lot of things.
Speaker 3: It is just like what happened you just mentioned it
Speaker 3: the electric car, the electric vehicle mandate that the Dema
Speaker 3: Press did. And if you're if you're forcing people to
Speaker 3: do something, then of course the other industries that exist
Speaker 3: that do something different from that, they'll either leave or
Speaker 3: they'll they'll dry up and die all together. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like there's a there's another one here, and this
Speaker 3: is sort of off the trail. But in Delaware, you know,
Speaker 3: you had that judge who decided to strike down Elon
Speaker 3: Musk's compensation package as the CEO of Tesla, Right, so
Speaker 3: she made his compensation package as the CEO, which was
Speaker 3: entirely based on whether or not the company was successful.
Speaker 3: If the company had not been successful, he wouldn't and
Speaker 3: paid anything. But as a result the company was successful,
Speaker 3: he was well, as judge said no, you can't have
Speaker 3: that and struck that down. And so what does that mean? Delaware,
Speaker 3: which had previously for decades it's been a place where
Speaker 3: a lot of companies go right, right, because it has
Speaker 3: favorable laws there, Delaware is now obviously rightly so, regarded
Speaker 3: as a hostile place to have your business headquarter. And
Speaker 3: so what's happening? Businesses are fleeing Delaware And they did
Speaker 3: this because like, hahaha, we hate Elon Musk. Wat's what
Speaker 3: we're going to do. Well, what's the result of that?
Speaker 3: Now your state is losing business, losing companies that are
Speaker 3: moving to somewhere else like Florida perhaps, or some other
Speaker 3: place that were favorable to business. And is that good
Speaker 3: for Delaware or bad? For Delaware.
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Speaker 1: You see this happening across the country and that honestly,
Speaker 1: I have a little hope because of this, because when
Speaker 1: I see this happen, I mean even Target, bud Light,
Speaker 1: all of these scenarios where they try to capitulate to
Speaker 1: the far left and the average American, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say it's the American right. I would say it's the
Speaker 1: average American goes, you know what, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take my little girl into Target if there's going to
Speaker 1: be all this sexual stuff at the front of the store.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just not going to be what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do. And then they change. But when you
Speaker 1: are a state like Delaware and you do that, the
Speaker 1: change is not as easy if you as you it
Speaker 1: is if you are a manufacturer where people are general
Speaker 1: likely to come back if you make a quick change,
Speaker 1: if you leave. I always say manufacturing is tough. Things
Speaker 1: like the situation with Delaware tough. Once you lose trust,
Speaker 1: you're not going to go there With a manufacturer. Shift
Speaker 1: doesn't happen overnight. If you want to make a product,
Speaker 1: it can take sometimes a year to get up and running.
Speaker 1: This is the issue that we have in the state
Speaker 1: of Michigan with these leftist laws. They drive companies out
Speaker 1: and then for us to say, oh, we're going to
Speaker 1: build four new factories, We're talking about a year's long process.
Speaker 2: This is the issue with these leftist policies.
Speaker 1: But I want to bring up something else, because as
Speaker 1: we're talking about leftists, let's talk about Jack Dorsey, who's
Speaker 1: out there right now with this disturbing, I guess statement
Speaker 1: that he wants to get rid of IP laws. Talk
Speaker 1: about a leftist radical policy. You just be able to
Speaker 1: steal everybody's stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is another one that the Chinese must love. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so yeah, Jack Dorsey. Dorsey who everyone would know as
Speaker 3: a guy who found in Twitter before Elon Musk bought it.
Speaker 3: He tweeted the other day or posted on x a
Speaker 3: very simple tweet it said, delete IP laws, which means
Speaker 3: intellectual property. Delete IP laws. Now, just long story short here.
Speaker 3: IP laws are what protect trademarks and copyrights and patents,
Speaker 3: things that people create and invent. And if you delete
Speaker 3: IP laws, it means that anyone could come in and specifically,
Speaker 3: let's talk about online because that's what Jack's talking about here,
Speaker 3: because now he's concerned with artificial intelligence AI programs being
Speaker 3: allowed to do.
Speaker 2: For his personal game guests, to.
Speaker 3: Run around and rip and steal the creation of others.
Speaker 3: It absolutely removes the incentive for content creators to create
Speaker 3: their content. I mean, it's the way YouTube built built
Speaker 3: its empire really is on a lot of content that
Speaker 3: had been stolen from other people. And Chris Pavlovski, who
Speaker 3: is the CEO of Rumble, which is a free speech
Speaker 3: video platform that also does cloud service also our cloud serve,
Speaker 3: not cloud cloud services, Chris Pavlowski sort of tore into
Speaker 3: Jack Jack Dorsey online, saying, what are you talking about
Speaker 3: that it actually is It's not American. It's an American
Speaker 3: to say that if you create something you don't own,
Speaker 3: it's that's interesting. What is the right of motivation for anyone.
Speaker 3: It's actually in our constitution. The Constitution of the United
Speaker 3: States says that Congress shall have the ability to create
Speaker 3: intellectual property laws to protect the property of people who
Speaker 3: create that property. And for Jack Dorsey to say, oh,
Speaker 3: let's just delete the whole thing, No, it's anesthetical to
Speaker 3: everything that a free country should stand for. And you
Speaker 3: better believe that once again, China is just salivating. Yes,
Speaker 3: let's just steal everything, because that's what they're going to
Speaker 3: do anyway.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. This is what
Speaker 1: we already struggle with. An entire country, in a massive
Speaker 1: country that is constantly stealing ip imagine, and they do
Speaker 1: it because there is no there's no rules to that.
Speaker 1: You know, they can do whatever they want. They want
Speaker 1: to come and steal. And that's the cautionary tale of
Speaker 1: people who take their business to China. Be careful, they'll
Speaker 1: just recreate it and steal it. So I think a
Speaker 1: lot of manufacturers have realized that. But imagine getting rid
Speaker 1: of these laws in the United States. Anyone could steal
Speaker 1: your content, anyone could steal your products. Anybody your neighboring
Speaker 1: business could steal your stuff and start selling it as
Speaker 1: their own.
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen a lot of this. My girls
Speaker 2: they like a lot of these shirts.
Speaker 1: There's one sweatshirt that they wear that says on the
Speaker 1: front of it a Child of God. And it's a
Speaker 1: certain brand that has the sweatshirt. The sweatshirt is about
Speaker 1: sixty dollars, it's not inexpensive, but sheen is now selling that.
Speaker 1: The Chinese manufacturer is now selling the sweatshirt for five
Speaker 1: dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2: So all these.
Speaker 1: Other kids come in with the Chinese knockoff of a
Speaker 1: Child of God's sweatshirt, and this company has become very
Speaker 1: upset because this is their brand. This imagine you look
Speaker 1: around and you see the product that you make. Everybody's
Speaker 1: wearing it, but it's not what you made. But it
Speaker 1: is exactly the font, everything is exactly the same. And
Speaker 1: you think about this on a bigger level. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about anything somebody puts out there and for
Speaker 1: those content creators. The reason Donald Trump has been pushing
Speaker 1: off the TikTok ban is because he understands the amount
Speaker 1: of financial the amount of business is out there, and
Speaker 1: the amount of financial turmoil that would cause four individuals
Speaker 1: in the United States I mean, and.
Speaker 2: People don't get that.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, that he just wants to do it
Speaker 1: because that's how he got elected. No, he's actually listening
Speaker 1: to people because some people have built their entire career,
Speaker 1: their entire livelihood online and now this threatens to take
Speaker 1: that all for what for Jack Dorsey's selfish purposes. And
Speaker 1: that's how leftists are all the times, like this doesn't
Speaker 1: work for me, but this will work for me. And
Speaker 1: that's why I think you've seen the Democrat party get
Speaker 1: away from the working person and become this party of
Speaker 1: the snobbish, rich elite.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I look, Jack, when he ran Twitter, he didn't
Speaker 3: do anything to compensate or pay to the people who
Speaker 3: are creating the content that made his platform successful. Didn't
Speaker 3: He didn't do any right. Yeah, Rumble Chris Pavlovski is
Speaker 3: the guy, the CEO of Rumble. He's the one who
Speaker 3: tore into Jack and said, this is about the dumbest
Speaker 3: idea you can. Rumble pays its creators and there's revenue
Speaker 3: sharing there. They do a pretty good job with that.
Speaker 3: Well you're talking about how about recording artists? You know
Speaker 3: all these Hollywood you know, people who like Katie Perry,
Speaker 3: and now that she's back from out it, from her
Speaker 3: heroic trip to space, recording artists like her, there would
Speaker 3: be nothing stopping anyone from just stealing everything that she
Speaker 3: creates and making money off of her creation. Hollywood films.
Speaker 3: There's nothing China already rips off Hollywood films, So then
Speaker 3: now there would be basically no barriers should be doing
Speaker 3: that this very podcast Tutor, right, there would be nothing
Speaker 3: stopping Ai from regurgitating a fake version of the Tutor
Speaker 3: Dixon Show and trying to make money off of.
Speaker 1: That, or just taking the actual show and making it
Speaker 1: their own.
Speaker 2: I mean, and this.
Speaker 1: Should resonate with people, and especially I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: a Katy Perry because I remember, I'm old enough to
Speaker 1: remember a few years back when you could just download
Speaker 1: music for free.
Speaker 2: That was a glorious time, to be honest, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't fair. It wasn't fair.
Speaker 1: And on the music artist came out and said, you've
Speaker 1: got to change this. It can't be that you can
Speaker 1: just download our music for free. You have to change
Speaker 1: it so people have to buy it, and so they
Speaker 1: put in immediately, they put in safeguard and said, no,
Speaker 1: you can't continue downloading music for free. You've got to
Speaker 1: have a subscription, you've got to pay per song, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. But suddenly we were paying for music again,
Speaker 1: and that makes total sense, and nobody went, oh, this
Speaker 1: is unfair because people realize, oh, yeah, this is their
Speaker 1: work and we should pay for it. And Americans are
Speaker 1: pretty understanding of that, the fact that you have. But see,
Speaker 1: this is my problem is that the radical left has
Speaker 1: torn down some of those moral barriers with people.
Speaker 2: So now it's like, I'm owed this, I should be
Speaker 2: able to do this.
Speaker 1: You're going to have a problem though, when you start
Speaker 1: to rip off the social media influencer stuff, and that
Speaker 1: I think will be interesting because these people have built
Speaker 1: small empires or livelihoods off of this, and this guy's like,
Speaker 1: I should be able to take whatever I want.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know what it is. It's socialism. Really
Speaker 3: are communism, Yes, everything is communal property. Yes, there is
Speaker 3: no such thing as private property. There is no such
Speaker 3: thing as your own intellectual property, the actual product of
Speaker 3: your own creativity and your own mind and your own work.
Speaker 3: None of that would exist in Jack Dorsey's of the world.
Speaker 3: And there are people. You have people because of this podcast.
Speaker 3: People have jobs because of this podcast. Other others of
Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan and whoever else are content creators, they
Speaker 3: are also job creators, and they inject large amounts of
Speaker 3: money into the American economy. And if you do away
Speaker 3: with that and say no, everything that you create belongs
Speaker 3: to all of us, and who's going to be out
Speaker 3: there creating no one? No one? Right?
Speaker 2: And you make a great point.
Speaker 1: I don't think that people realize the amount of people
Speaker 1: that get paid from something like this. I mean music
Speaker 1: is a great example too, because you've got all the
Speaker 1: producers film. You see that, you see the actors, and
Speaker 1: you look at film and you go, oh, they're all rich.
Speaker 1: But it's all the people around those that you can't
Speaker 1: just give this stuff away for free because everybody has
Speaker 1: to get paid.
Speaker 2: You are right, they are job creators.
Speaker 3: Have ever I mean people I like to sit through
Speaker 3: and watch them, even though it doesn't really mean anything
Speaker 3: to me. Watch the entire credits as a movie is ending.
Speaker 3: You know, there's like a thousand people in yeah making
Speaker 3: every movie.
Speaker 2: Right, I know.
Speaker 1: I always think, Okay, when the kids are still watching
Speaker 1: something in s bedtime, I look at it. I'm like Okay,
Speaker 1: it says there's thirty minutes left, so there's probably like
Speaker 1: twenty two because.
Speaker 3: The credits are going to take so long. Imagine everybody
Speaker 3: likes to look for a key, grip and best boy
Speaker 3: and gaffer. Right, yeah, those jobs will.
Speaker 2: Be gone, Yeah, right exactly.
Speaker 3: AI is just going to rip it off.
Speaker 1: And that's and my friends in the film industry, I
Speaker 1: see them posting all the time like we're very worried
Speaker 1: about what this is going to mean. I mean, and
Speaker 1: even the actors now their their voices are being ripped
Speaker 1: off and they're being recreated to look like they're mad too.
Speaker 2: You know, this stuff is not good.
Speaker 1: I just want to end really quick on something else, though,
Speaker 1: because as we're talking about the direction that leftists have
Speaker 1: gone and even Democrats in general, now we see this
Speaker 1: situation where I think there's been a lot of confusion
Speaker 1: over the man, the marilynd Man who was deported to
Speaker 1: the prison in El Salvador, and you have what's the
Speaker 1: it's a senator, right, this senator.
Speaker 3: Chris van Holland from Van.
Speaker 1: Holland, who honestly went there to meet with him.
Speaker 3: Now to be clear, Rita's with him. Shared had Margarita's
Speaker 3: with the poor.
Speaker 1: Fellow, the guy, a poor guy in jail going out
Speaker 1: and having Margarita's. But honestly, this so there's questions because
Speaker 1: I had even people last night, I'm at a school
Speaker 1: event and people are like, oh, how could they have
Speaker 1: deported that man? And people believe that he was an
Speaker 1: American citizen. Not only was he not an American citizen,
Speaker 1: but the Tennessee Star just came out with a story
Speaker 1: saying that he was pulled over by Tennessee Highway patrol
Speaker 1: years before this and had seven people in his car
Speaker 1: that they suspected were being trafficked. And then when they
Speaker 1: went to Biden's FBI, Biden's FBI said, let him go.
Speaker 2: That was suspicious.
Speaker 1: Now we're we're hearing that he was, you know, wrongfully deported.
Speaker 1: And yet here's a guy who was potentially he's not
Speaker 1: a US citizen, was potentially trafficking people. His wife had
Speaker 1: a protection order against her him, and she had written
Speaker 1: out the protection order why she needed protection, which was
Speaker 1: a very devastating description of what her life was with
Speaker 1: this man and how he had treated her. And yet
Speaker 1: people are like, I mean, even the senators I called
Speaker 1: his wife to let her know he's okay.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, this is the same wife that filed
Speaker 3: a protective order against him because of a domestic abuse right, great, yeah,
Speaker 3: well he sends her his love. Yeah, we know how
Speaker 3: he expresses his love because she had to go to
Speaker 3: the cops and ask for a protective order. Right. And
Speaker 3: you know, so you got Democrats. They have chosen this
Speaker 3: guy as their darling. This fella, this nice fellaw who
Speaker 3: was living in Maryland. He is not a Maryland man.
Speaker 3: He's a resident of El Salvador who was illegally, illegally
Speaker 3: living in Maryland. You have Chris van Holland and all
Speaker 3: the Democrats who have embraced this guy. And let's be
Speaker 3: clear about this. The only reason that they have latched
Speaker 3: on to this guy as their new hero is because
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is on the other side, right exactly. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's main superpower is breaking the brains of his political opponents.
Speaker 3: So they have decided to wrap their arms complete. It's
Speaker 3: Chris van Hahn and Tory Booker as Senator Chris Murphy,
Speaker 3: it's Keen Jeffries in the House. Every Democrat and the
Speaker 3: entirety of the mainstream media has fallen in love with
Speaker 3: this guy, and they keep on calling him the marilynd
Speaker 3: Man who was wrongfully deported. No, because and they know
Speaker 3: that's false. They know it's false, and they keep saying it. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he was not wrongfully deported. He'd had a deportation order
Speaker 3: hanging over his head for years. He was illegally present
Speaker 3: in this country. He entered illegally. He is not an
Speaker 3: American citizen. He did not have a legal right to
Speaker 3: be here. The Trump administration send him back to l Salvador,
Speaker 3: where he is from, and it's because he was illegally present.
Speaker 3: He is known to be an MS thirteen gang banger.
Speaker 3: He was arrested one time, rounded up with a bunch
Speaker 3: of other MS thirteen gang bangers, had drugs, he had
Speaker 3: wads of cash, he was wearing MS thirteen. Other judges
Speaker 3: and other courts have found him to be a legitimate
Speaker 3: member of MS thirteen. He's a domestic abuser, he's a
Speaker 3: suspected human trafficker, and he was illegally present. And Chris
Speaker 3: Van Holland goes flying off to El Salvador to have
Speaker 3: drinks with the guy as he gets the afternoon off
Speaker 3: from prison. I've never seen a US senator make that
Speaker 3: much effort to help an American citizen. This guy flies
Speaker 3: to El Salvador to help him. This is an amazing
Speaker 3: string simply because Donald Trump has broken their brains.
Speaker 1: I will tell you I have a girlfriend right now
Speaker 1: who she adopted a child from Sierra Leone, and there
Speaker 1: has been and the adoption has all been worked out.
Speaker 2: She's just supposed to go pick the child up.
Speaker 1: And this is such a sweet story. The child has
Speaker 1: a she's blind. My friend has a son here in
Speaker 1: the United States with the same issue.
Speaker 2: She was going to bring her back to the United States.
Speaker 2: She can't.
Speaker 1: There's an issue with the us NBC. She can't get
Speaker 1: the paperwork through. She has been begging her congresswoman, who
Speaker 1: is a Democrat, to help her. They just are sending
Speaker 1: her letters like, yeah, the form's not right. Begging for help.
Speaker 1: Can't get help for a child, an eleven year old
Speaker 1: child that.
Speaker 2: Needs the medical care that she can get in the
Speaker 2: United States.
Speaker 1: And she should be considered an American citizen because her
Speaker 1: mother adopted her and her mother is here. But this
Speaker 1: senator goes after a gang banger, a bad guy and
Speaker 1: MS thirteen person member. The a gang member and this
Speaker 1: is correct me if I'm wrong. He lives in the
Speaker 1: same district that Rachel Morin was killed in, is that right?
Speaker 3: Yes, Maryland, right, He's the US Senator from Maryland and
Speaker 3: that's exactly where Rachel morn was killed also, and he
Speaker 3: never did a blessed thing to react to that case.
Speaker 3: So he lies all the way to El Salvador to
Speaker 3: have Margarita's with and check on the well being of
Speaker 3: this illegal alien gang banger who's been thwarted back to
Speaker 3: his home country. It's staggering.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: This is again another one of these issues in politics.
Speaker 3: You know, we talk about eighty twenty issues right where
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the people are on one side and
Speaker 3: agree and only twenty percent to see it the other way.
Speaker 3: Democrats keep picking the twenty every single time, simply because
Speaker 3: they hate Donald Trump so much so they can't even
Speaker 3: see logic or reason. The pictures of Chris van Holland,
Speaker 3: you know, having drinks with this Scott. He flew all
Speaker 3: the way to l Salvador to check on the well
Speaker 3: being of a criminal, of an illegal alien criminal.
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Speaker 1: more after this. You know, we have a woman in
Speaker 1: Michigan who wants to be the next US senator.
Speaker 2: Her name is Mallorie mcmarrow.
Speaker 1: And she posted about this story on Twitter, because that's
Speaker 1: kind of her claim to fame, is to have a
Speaker 1: big social media following as a crab. And she came
Speaker 1: out and she was really mad about this guy, and
Speaker 1: she says, so she decides to take this approach. They've
Speaker 1: deported this man illegally. They should not have deported him.
Speaker 1: They're defying the court. And Donald Trump has now said
Speaker 1: that he is going to start sending American citizens that
Speaker 1: disagree with him to foreign prisons.
Speaker 3: Come on, look, about the best thing you could possibly
Speaker 3: say about this case, about this L. Salvadoran guy, is
Speaker 3: that maybe he shouldn't have been sent to L. Salvador specifically,
Speaker 3: maybe he should have been deported to some other country.
Speaker 3: The question of whether or not he could be deported
Speaker 3: is that's not even arguable. He was an illegal alien.
Speaker 3: He already had a deportation order a removal order. He
Speaker 3: can be deported, he should be deported, And the White
Speaker 3: House has said, look at it. Listen, if they somehow
Speaker 3: even managed and succeed to somehow bring him back to
Speaker 3: this country, we're just going to deport him again. So
Speaker 3: the reason why they said, why one judge at one
Speaker 3: time said you can't send him back to El Salvador,
Speaker 3: is because he claimed that he was under threat from
Speaker 3: some gang in l Salvador. That gang in El Salvador
Speaker 3: has been wiped out of existence and doesn't exist there anymore.
Speaker 3: That particular gang has a greater presence in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: California than it does in El Salvador.
Speaker 1: To be fair, when you are a member of a gang,
Speaker 1: you tend to have other gangs that hate you for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, but he has chosen to be a member,
Speaker 3: says his defense. Hey, I can't go back there because
Speaker 3: I'm a gang member. These are the same people who
Speaker 3: say you can't send him to El Salvador. Why is that, Well,
Speaker 3: because he's part of a rival gang. Oh so he
Speaker 3: is a gang member and he's not an innocent Maryland. See,
Speaker 3: they just can't get a Well, we're back to the
Speaker 3: logic of the left.
Speaker 1: This is the logic that I use as a parent.
Speaker 1: Your choices have consequences. So if you do this, this
Speaker 1: could happen. If you join a gang, you will have
Speaker 1: other gangs that hate you and want you dead.
Speaker 2: That's actually just kind of a fact.
Speaker 1: We all know about gangs, and I've never been in
Speaker 1: a gang, but I still know that.
Speaker 3: I love it that they have to use his criminality
Speaker 3: as his difference.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, he's a bad guy that is in danger
Speaker 1: from other bad guys.
Speaker 2: You know what, sometimes the world just works itself out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my gosh, that's I mean, couldn't anybody
Speaker 3: being just about to be sentenced to prison use the
Speaker 3: same argument?
Speaker 1: But also a wife beater? I mean, why are we
Speaker 1: defending wife beaters?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Could women have been crapped on anymore by the Democrats?
Speaker 1: And that's not a nice thing to say, but it
Speaker 1: is so true. I mean, we can't have our own
Speaker 1: sports anymore, we can't win awards, we can't get jobs
Speaker 1: because men who pretend to be women are better than us.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have just so destroyed women.
Speaker 1: And now you have a senator, a sitting US senator
Speaker 1: who goes to another country to have margaritas with a
Speaker 1: wife beater.
Speaker 2: You cannot make it up.
Speaker 3: No, And it just goes to show you how far
Speaker 3: in the grip of the far extreme left to Democratic
Speaker 3: Party is. You have absolute mainstream, supposedly mainstream leaders United
Speaker 3: States Senators in the House of Representatives, Akeem Jeffries, the
Speaker 3: Democratic Leader, the Minority leader in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 3: All of them are on board with the righteous cause.
Speaker 3: They believe of this MS thirteen gang banger, wife beater,
Speaker 3: criminal illegal alien who has been righteously deported back to
Speaker 3: l Salvador. They're all on his side. They keep embracing
Speaker 3: the crazy issues because the radical left requires them to.
Speaker 3: They didn't learn anything after Election Day twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: They lost because Donald Trump was on the right side
Speaker 3: of the issues, talking about the insane that you just
Speaker 3: said it. Men invading women's faces, trans women who are
Speaker 3: really biological men in women's sports. Democrats insist, still insists
Speaker 3: that it's okay for biological grown men to play organized
Speaker 3: sports against women, against actual biological females. They think that's fine.
Speaker 3: Immigration they are on This is like a ninety ten issue,
Speaker 3: and they're on the side of the ten. They keep
Speaker 3: choosing the wrong side over and over because the radical
Speaker 3: left is in charge of that party. Listen, I mean, look,
Speaker 3: a leftist just firebomb the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania, right,
Speaker 3: that's Josh Shapiro. He's a Jewish governor of Pennsylvania. He
Speaker 3: was targeted because of the crazy leftist's view of the
Speaker 3: conflict in Gaza. He's tro hamas pro Palestinian. He firebombed
Speaker 3: the guy's mansion in Pennsylvania, the governor's mansion because of
Speaker 3: his position in supporting Israel in that conflict. Does anyone
Speaker 3: recognize the irony here? Josh Shapiro was not picked to
Speaker 3: be Kamala Harrison running mate because he's Jewish and the
Speaker 3: radical left wouldn't stand for that. Right, I mean, the
Speaker 3: party is broken, completely and utterly broken.
Speaker 1: And that's when I always say, what is the final
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin of this new Democrat Party?
Speaker 2: And does that kill the party? Does a new party
Speaker 2: for him?
Speaker 1: Do they go back to the JFK party like what
Speaker 1: happens to the Democrat Party? Because I believe that one
Speaker 1: day people will look back at the Biden administration and
Speaker 1: say they had a man cross dressing as a woman
Speaker 1: saying that he could tell you about science and health.
Speaker 2: How bizarre.
Speaker 3: That's great. If JFK were alive today, they would call
Speaker 3: him a right wing extremist.
Speaker 1: I mean, remember when SNL used to have that skit,
Speaker 1: it's Pat and you didn't know if Pat was a
Speaker 1: woman or a man like you couldn't even do that
Speaker 1: today they would freak out.
Speaker 2: But that was funny. That was when Asinel was good.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm I just I love talking to you, I love
Speaker 1: having you on.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll be able to talk about the demise of
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party sooner than we think.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, you got the media out there
Speaker 3: are going to prop them up for as long as
Speaker 3: they possibly can. But I'm hopeful that regular Americans who
Speaker 3: do nothing every day but just go about their regular
Speaker 3: lives and aren't, as you know, in tune to this
Speaker 3: as we are every single day. It's sort of a
Speaker 3: sickness that we have. I'm sorry to say. I know
Speaker 3: we do pay attention to this so much, but regular
Speaker 3: people who have real lives to go and pursue and
Speaker 3: don't pay attention to them a new ship. I hope
Speaker 3: that it's freaking through and they and then I got
Speaker 3: to believe that some of them look at Democrats do
Speaker 3: it and just say, what in the world is in
Speaker 3: these people's heads?
Speaker 1: I mean, you even had one of the big comedians,
Speaker 1: who was it, someone Dylan that was on Fox last
Speaker 1: night with Sean Handy.
Speaker 2: Someone was and he was like, if you can't make
Speaker 2: a joke anymore, where have we come to? And this
Speaker 2: is not like a conservative.
Speaker 1: This is someone who's just like, can we get back
Speaker 1: to where we're kind of light hearted and the country
Speaker 1: is fun again?
Speaker 2: I mean they are such fun crushers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Jerry Seinfeld won't perform on college campuses
Speaker 3: because he says it's you can't make jokes, right.
Speaker 2: No, everybody is so sensitive.
Speaker 1: But those are the people who are the radical leftists,
Speaker 1: and they're not getting married and they're not having relationships.
Speaker 1: They have become so angry they can't even communicate with
Speaker 1: their own friends.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, that's it. I mean they have every year
Speaker 3: of publications like Slenna, We're going along here, publications like
Speaker 3: Slate and you know, Huffington Post and The Daily Beast.
Speaker 3: They always publish these things around Christmas and Thanksgiving. How
Speaker 3: to talk to your uncle and all that stuff. They
Speaker 3: are like it's encouraging the division, and like how to
Speaker 3: treat your families like they're all mentally handicapped.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Now, I know people that is for one.
Speaker 3: So you know what, you know what one business that's
Speaker 3: going under because the left doesn't buy mirrors anymore because
Speaker 3: they certainly don't look in them.
Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely true. Yeah, self reflection is no longer
Speaker 1: a thing, not a thing. Well, Tim Murta, I always
Speaker 1: enjoy having you on. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3: That was fantastic, Tutor, Thank you very much, and congratulations
Speaker 3: and on the success of this show and much more
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you.
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