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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two and thirty five,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, we are talking about public

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Speaker 1: land white tails. We are talking about stalking down deer

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Speaker 1: to do that, we're joined by Zack Barrenbaugh of The

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx and today we're talking public land white tails

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Speaker 1: and joining Dan and I is Zach Fahrenbaugh. And if

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Speaker 1: your YouTube watcher, you're probably are possibly familiar with Zack

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Speaker 1: because of his work with Midwest white tail in the

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Speaker 1: past and his current work with the hunting public. If

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Speaker 1: you're not familiar with these guys, gotta check them out

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Public. It's one of the absolute best white

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Speaker 1: tail YouTube channels out there right now. Um, and it's Zack,

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Speaker 1: and it's Aaron Warburton, who was a guest of ours

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Speaker 1: last summer, and a handful of other guys. They're putting

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Speaker 1: out almost daily video blogs showcasing their public land hunts

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Speaker 1: all over the place they're They're living in Iowa, but

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Speaker 1: they're also going to other places like Nebraska, Kentucky, UM, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: I heard they're going to Alabama. Who knows. They're all

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Speaker 1: over the place. They're doing a great job, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's shining a great light on

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Speaker 1: the public land opportunities that are out there. Uh, they're

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Speaker 1: getting on some great bucks. They're showing that you can

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Speaker 1: hunt quality mature deer even if you don't have a

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Speaker 1: big farm and food plot. So I think that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I've really been enjoying what they're doing. And um, I

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Speaker 1: think Zack is gonna be a guy who has some

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Speaker 1: interesting thoughts, some interesting stories. So I'm excited. Dan. I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, though, you know, I've been out chasing some

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Speaker 1: public land bucks. Zack's chasing public land bucks. When are

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Speaker 1: we gonna get you take the plunge in public land? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I got some stuff in here in Michigan. That's just

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Speaker 1: calling her name. Oh okay, so it has to be

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Speaker 1: in Michigan. Yeah. I hunted on public last season, dude,

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Speaker 1: early season. Oh, I guess you did too. I did.

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Speaker 1: And I hunted on public land this year during elk season.

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Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't count, Okay, Okay. Basically, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I feel less bad. But yeah, basically, what you're telling

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Speaker 1: me is, hey, Dan, we need you to hunt really

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Speaker 1: shitty ground exactly because okay, because you got it too good.

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Speaker 1: Did you see did you see that comment on Facebook today? Um?

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Speaker 1: Someone you asked on the nine Finger Chronicles facebook page

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Speaker 1: and then someone comments, isn't that what it's like in Iowa?

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Speaker 1: Or isn't it So do you mean Iowa bow hunting? Yeah? Exactly, exactly. Like, man,

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Speaker 1: uh so, how are you otherwise you are getting excited? Uh? Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm starting to really think about this season, um

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm really, really, really behind this year.

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Speaker 1: And I want to kill a dear early season so bad,

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Speaker 1: More power to you man that early season. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean the September hunts. Now, I know you're not

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of fun um. And I

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Speaker 1: know Zach, he's gonna have some stuff to talk about

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Speaker 1: that because they do that a lot um as certainly

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have this rule that says, uh, don't

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Speaker 1: no sign of hoole the field yet. I've scouted a

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Speaker 1: But none of my Michigan areas, so fingers crossed they

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Speaker 1: and this for this October and then, uh, you got

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Speaker 1: the guys out there who their wives kind of give

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Speaker 1: camera that he'd bought years ago. We just went for it,

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00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: Jake Brody and I and we I guess essentially just

427
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: started looking at maps a few days before we went, uh,

428
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: picked out a campsite and just drove out there. We

429
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: drove out there, Oh, I want to save us around

430
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: the thirteenth or fourteen, um, I think it was. Yeah,

431
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: one of those two days we drove out there just

432
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: to night, got there very early in the morning, slept

433
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: for about an hour, and then I woke up and

434
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: saw the sand Hills for the first time and was

435
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: just totally blown away. And you know, I guess by

436
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: looking at maps beforehand and Jake Jacobs that had actually

437
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: hunted there um in the late season before, so he

438
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: had an idea of you know, what the area looked like.

439
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: We had it out several places on a map, and

440
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, places that we wanted to check out. We

441
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: got there and just started observing these areas that you know,

442
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: we had suspected to be the best whitetail habitat, and

443
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: pretty quickly we eliminated a lot of stuff just by

444
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, simply not observing deer coming out of the

445
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: areas we thought they were going to be in. And

446
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: we also just kind of got a little frustrated with

447
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: that observing. And what we started doing was we'd see

448
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: an area that you know, seemed like betting habitat and

449
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: like we'd seen deer and very similar stuff, and we

450
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: would just go in and we would still hunt it

451
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: and in the morning specifically, and we would be still

452
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: hunting and working back with those deer as they were

453
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: coming back into the betting areas, and we ran into

454
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: some deer doing that, and we also got our best

455
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: information by doing that. We would just go right through

456
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: these betting areas and we were looking for buck sign.

457
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: You know, that time of the year, the deer just

458
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: sid if you find a fresh rub right now, like

459
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: you better be thinking about that. I guess, in my

460
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: opinion at least, like that's the best sign to find

461
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: buff and and I don't run. I guess I shouldn't

462
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: say I don't run. My my my friends do, and

463
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 1: I use their information, but I don't run trail cameras.

464
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: I just like to run off signed And that's something

465
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: I'll probably talk about a lot um. It's just looking

466
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: at sign, looking at fresh sign, looking at big tracks, rubs, beds,

467
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, all the scrapes, all kinds of deer tigme,

468
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: just really looking at that and trying to decipher that

469
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: and then trying to make a plan to set up

470
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: on it. And that's what we're doing. We'd go in

471
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: and more than anything, just looking for rubs and big

472
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: beds and did that and we had a lot of

473
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, or or we'd find an area that we

474
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of confidence in and we'd go back

475
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: in there and we'd hunt it. And our whole strategy

476
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: would be basically get in and get set up right

477
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: on top of beds and hope that they came right

478
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: back into them. And we had some encounters, but then finally, well,

479
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I guess, let me take one one quick step back.

480
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: The other thing that we would do is we would

481
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: literally go through and do like beer drives, or we

482
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: call them wind bumps where we'd pick a betting area

483
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: and what I would and Brodie and I both had tags.

484
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: And he because he hunted because he was he was

485
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: an Iowa resident, but his brothers and lived lived in Nebraska,

486
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: so he'd go back and hunting in Nebraska. So we

487
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: both had tags. But when we would go into these

488
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: wind bumps, I would bump out these areas and I

489
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: would just go through them, letting my wind drift through

490
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: the bedding area. The deer would bump out in front

491
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: of me, and I would just basically be scouting my

492
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: way through these these spots and pretty pretty far into

493
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: the trip um before you can you can you elaborate

494
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: on the wind bumping. So why you're doing it that

495
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: way and what you're what you're trying to achieve with that. Well,

496
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: there's two two main things that we were trying to

497
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: learn and achieve. I mean, for one, straight up trying

498
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: to get a deer, like we've had to work in

499
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the past um where you know, a deer comes out

500
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: of the betting area and offers, you know, the guy

501
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: set up a shot. A lot of times the guys

502
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: just sitting on the back side of a betting area

503
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: on a funnel and hoping that the deer escape calmly,

504
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, by letting her scent drift in there. Generally

505
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: the deer escape quite a bit calmer than if you

506
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: walk through, you know, making a bunch of noise like

507
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: a traditional deer drive. You know, I'm basically still hunting

508
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: to these betting areas, just letting my scent go kind

509
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: of opposite of what you would normally have generally still hunting.

510
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have a wind in your face

511
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: there across wind and in this situation, I'm just going

512
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: through the stetting area more or less scouting with the

513
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: wind in my back. So that's you know, goal number

514
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: one is simply shoot a deer and having a strategy,

515
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, just diffing off the wall strategy. It's totally

516
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: different than most most people are going to do a

517
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: bow hunting approach, I guess. But the other thing was

518
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: is just trying to find that sign. You know. It's

519
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: like unless we were going into these betting areas, we

520
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: didn't know. I mean, they're so thick, they're so dense

521
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that like these bucks, if they don't leave and go

522
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: out into the open You never know they're there unless

523
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: you get in there and you either bump them or

524
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: just gout around enough to where you're finding the sign

525
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: coming out of these betting areas. I mean you had

526
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: to get close because they're not they're not moving a

527
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: lot that time of the year. They're very very small areas.

528
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: So we went into this wind bump one day and

529
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: like I said, it was pretty far along in the

530
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: in the trip, and I bumped the buck and I

531
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: watched him run. Now, the betting area is the wrong way.

532
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: He wasn't going towards Jakie Brody, and I watched him

533
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: go up over the hill and I was like, oh,

534
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: like that's a that's an ice one we've been seeing.

535
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: There's not a not a super old age class out there.

536
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: So to see its real nice eight point and run

537
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: up over the hill, I was like, like, we really

538
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: need to think about this and see if we can,

539
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, figure out how to hunt it. So I

540
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: continue to just scalp that whole thing. And it wasn't

541
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: a super big piece maybe ten fifteen acres um, but

542
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: just a super dense piece of habitat. There was all

543
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: different types of vegetation in there, and there was tons

544
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: of you know, basically just a betting area and a

545
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: food source all in one. And there was tons and

546
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: tons of beds and tons and tons of rubs in there.

547
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: I found some scrapes as well, and I was like,

548
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, this is something again that we really need

549
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: to think about and hopefully he'll come back. But you know,

550
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's such a good betting area and

551
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: here's so many deer using it. We did. I did

552
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: jump other Um, I did not jump other deer out

553
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: of there. Some does. But it's like, even if he

554
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: doesn't come back and I just come, surely another buck

555
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: will be back in here in the next few days,

556
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: at least before we leave. So I did scouted the

557
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: whole thing, almost every inch of it in that in

558
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: that day that I went bumped. After I bumped that buck,

559
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: tried to figure it out, left my scent all over

560
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: the place in there. I mean, we was laying in

561
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: the beds and seeing what they could see. Was scouting

562
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it right, you know, right in the middle of the trip.

563
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: So we waited a couple of days, and we went

564
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: in there counting it one day, um and then wait,

565
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: like I said, waited a couple of days hunted it

566
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: saw I saw most of the year that we I

567
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: jumped out of there come back except for that buck.

568
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: And then we hunted it again the next morning, which

569
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: I think would have been like three days out from

570
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: when I went through it and went bumping and scouting,

571
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: and right at first light, heard a deer come in,

572
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: walked right around us, and it was only about thirty

573
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: yards away, but we couldn't see it's so thick in there.

574
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Heard it bed down, and about eight o'clock eight thirty

575
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: maybe the wind started picking up. When that wind picked up,

576
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: he got up and he shifted his bed. Then he

577
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: walked to like ten yards in front of the stands.

578
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: There was the same buck that I jumped out of

579
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: there just a few days earlier. He walked the ten

580
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: yards and his browsing had no idea we were in

581
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: the world, and it had a perfect shot at him.

582
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: And you know what, that was kind of an eye

583
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: opener for me. And I talked to a lot of

584
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: people about it since, and you found that a lot

585
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: of people also use somewhat of a similar strategy. It

586
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: may not be directly trying to bump the deer, but

587
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, there are other guys

588
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: that are doing stuff like that. And I really got

589
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: me thinking a lot um just about you know, how

590
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: how you come across the best stuff, and and you

591
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: know what I kind of came down to was, you know,

592
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: you're looking for that fresh sign, that sign that is

593
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: being laid down right now, you know. And I think

594
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: sometimes guys will get and myself included for sure. I mean,

595
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm my goal is to not do this as much

596
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: as possible. Fears like I get, I get super fired

597
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: up about a spot. But I found in like February, right,

598
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm out looking for sheds and trying to find, you know,

599
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: find the best dear sign. Well, what you're finding then

600
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: is you're finding a whole year's worth a sign. And

601
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: it's sometimes hard to decipher. Okay, is that made in October?

602
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Is that made in September? Is that made in December?

603
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean not. I mean it's hard to tell. And

604
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that I went in and wasted a lot

605
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: of fits because I was hunting signed and I saw

606
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: in February that wasn't actually laid down in the time

607
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: that I thought that. It was, like, you know, I'm like, oh,

608
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome on November four. Well, you get

609
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: in there and the signs dry, I mean the deer

610
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: we're in there in October, you're month late or two

611
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: months late, you know, maybe the September when they first shed.

612
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: You know what I think, kind of doing that style

613
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: of hunting and being mobile and doing kind of off

614
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the wall type stuff allows you to find that hot

615
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: sign and in reality, you know, when you find those

616
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: best areas where the highest concentrations deer are like, but

617
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: they are not just gonna leave. I mean I think that,

618
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I've had the argument to of like

619
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Holling more pressured states, you know than than Iowa for example,

620
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: those gear aren't going to come back. Well I don't

621
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: agree with that because if if you find a place

622
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: where they all want to be, I mean I hunted,

623
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting Western Ohio. Like there's more pressure

624
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: there than you know than anywhere else. I've been to

625
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: this point for white tails, and there's small woodlots where

626
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: people would go in and hunt. No, yeah, they'll bump

627
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: them out of betting areas and then maybe gone for

628
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: a couple of days. But if you find that best spot,

629
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: like there's nowhere. If there's nowhere better like that, they're

630
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: gonna come back to it because it has all the

631
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: factors that they need. You know, they may leave for

632
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: a few days or something, or maybe even a week,

633
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: but at some point, you know, if all the deer

634
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: feel comfortable there, if it's a pretty well set up

635
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: bedding area with all the factors that they need, and

636
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: go to scape routes, then they're going to come back. Now.

637
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, it just takes a little bit of

638
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: weird tactics to find that. Now, would you agree with

639
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: this though that going about it in that kind of way,

640
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: It's it's high risk, high reward, right, So you definitely

641
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: could have that. Like you said, you might bump them

642
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: out of there for a few days, or you might

643
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: get a buck that maybe he's gonna stick around there,

644
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: but he's just not gonna move during daylight. He might

645
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: be back to that bed well before daylight in the morning, etcetera, etcetera.

646
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of people that are

647
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: probably listening to this and they're like, oh, that's crazy.

648
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do that, because you know, you're supposed

649
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: to have the sanctuary and you leave these deer untouched.

650
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Um would you would you say that

651
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: if you're hunting, if you've got like one little spot

652
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: that you can hunt, You've got your twenty acre property

653
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: at home, and that's the one spot you hunt, maybe

654
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to go in there and do this

655
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing all the time because you're gonna blow

656
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: it out. But if you're in a situation you're at

657
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: where you're in public line, you're just there seven days,

658
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: so it's you've got nothing to lose because you need

659
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: to get it done now. Or I feel like what

660
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: you've got going on in Iowa is you guys are

661
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: really aggressive, but you have lots and lots and lots

662
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: of different spots. Same thing like Dan Infall. He's super aggressive.

663
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: But if you blow out Spot A, that's fine because

664
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to Spot B and then spots C and

665
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: D E F G. I mean, is that the right

666
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: way to think about this? No, it is. I guess

667
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I maybe should have said that beforehand. Um, And and

668
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: I guess I've uh, I've always been this way, even

669
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as I got my driver's license,

670
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: I was going to go to a place that I

671
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: was going to get away from Western Ohio like to

672
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: where I had had that option, Um, it has. I

673
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: guess if you're gonna hunt aggressively, I think that you

674
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: have to put yourself in a situation where, now, whether

675
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: it's funny public or private. You know, maybe you've got

676
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: multiple different pieces of private land and some public mixed

677
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: in or all public, or just a ton of pieces

678
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: of private land. You have to have multiple different areas

679
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: that you can go to. You have to be able

680
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: to balance, and that's that's the key. Um. You know,

681
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: we we do these aggressive tactics, and but like you said,

682
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: we've got so many places that will never touch in

683
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: a season that we've scouted in the past, and we've got,

684
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, ideas of how we would hunt it, but

685
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: there's just not simply not enough time for it. And

686
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: I think that if you're going to hunt aggressively like this,

687
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: then you should have lots of different options. And I

688
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: think that there's ways to hunt aggressively like this with

689
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: not as many options as you know maybe we have

690
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: or or even your your buddy has. But you know,

691
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: I think that at some point throughout the season, you know,

692
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: it is always worth getting aggressive. Um. I just if

693
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: there's one pet peeve I have. It's just people being like,

694
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I gotta wait, I gotta you know, the wind is

695
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: just not perfect. Well, sometimes you gotta get in there

696
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: when it's when it's the time is right and it

697
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I guess it's just I think that people. Uh and

698
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: and again like myself included, Like I think all this

699
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: because of like all the times that I just thought

700
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: I was being careful, but in reality I was just

701
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: like just getting in such a rust that the deer

702
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: were patterning me. I wasn't changing it up enough. YEA

703
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: so quick question here. You know, on top of being aggressive,

704
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: there's like whether you're aggressive or you're conservative in your

705
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: approach to actually going after a deer, there's still some

706
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: preparation that has to happen on the front end of

707
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: of that, you know. And what that sounds like you're

708
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: doing is this scouting at a very high and fast

709
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: level to locate them all break break that, break that

710
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: down for us and kind of tell us what what

711
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: that scouting, that speed scouting is like for you guys. Yeah, So, um,

712
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: I guess I guess when we go into an area,

713
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: we really try to focus on set. Like again, setting

714
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: up on that that hot sign or finding that hot time.

715
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: And I always my best way to explain like what

716
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: exactly we're looking for is the highest concentration of the

717
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: best sign in that area. So you've got an idea

718
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: of what your dear density is like in the um

719
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: properties that you hunt. And you know what when you

720
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, you know what it looks like when there's

721
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of bucks in an area. You know, you

722
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of have that idea of how many rubs you know,

723
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: per acre, there are, how many scrapes per acre there

724
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: are Like when you when you when when you looking

725
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: for that hot sign, when it really jumps out at

726
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: you of like holy cow, Like there's scrapes, there's rubs,

727
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: there's tracks, there's bucks, there's those there's all the deer

728
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting they're all just kind of

729
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: in this small area. He kind of you know what,

730
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, the difference of that versus you know a

731
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: little bit aside. Does that make sense? Like like all

732
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden for that area for that deer density,

733
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: like there's max sign and when you find that, it's

734
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: just like whoa, you know, it almost smells like bucketing there,

735
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: Like there's the scrapes, there's rubs beds, and that's that's

736
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: what you know we're really looking for is that highest

737
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: concentration of deer sign. And you know how long how

738
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: long are you in that area until you end up

739
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: bailing and going to the next spot. Um it really depends. UM.

740
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I would say, if it looks really good, you know,

741
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: we'll get in there and we kind of ease our way.

742
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Like for example, a lot of times they have a

743
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: betting area that we've previously scalted in mind, so you know,

744
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: we know there's a good you know, betting area deep

745
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: in this piece of public or maybe there's two or

746
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: three along the way, and as we're scouting through there,

747
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: we're just kind of hitting the the down wind side

748
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: of that betting area, just kind of skirting mouth skirts

749
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: that it's looking for good sign coming out of it.

750
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: If we hit it at the first one, then you know,

751
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: we'll set up there for the day. And then if

752
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: but if we don't hit it on the first one,

753
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: we'll go to the next one. And you know, it

754
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: just gives kind of a Sometimes it's a day to

755
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: day thing. Sometimes it's a in one hunt you may

756
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: cover two or three betting area that's just trying to

757
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: find the right one that's got that fine. Um. Sometimes

758
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: we'll sit on the same betting area you know, for

759
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: multiple days. It's something, um, we haven't done a ton

760
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: of in the past. You know, some of the bucks

761
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: that we've shot in the past few years have been, um,

762
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, kind of hunting a betting area repetitively until

763
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: you know the gives you the right opportunity. But a

764
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: lot of it are a lot of the bucks we've

765
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: shot the past few years have been the first time fits.

766
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: But something that I'm a little bit more interested in.

767
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: It's just like seeing how much we can get away with,

768
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: like how much it actually takes to drive the deer

769
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: out of an area. This year, I'd like to try

770
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: to focus on one or a couple of betting areas

771
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: or a general spot you know, for three or four

772
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: or five days at a time and just see, you know,

773
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: just kind of push it a little bit and see

774
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: what happens. Just try to learn something from that. But

775
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: I guess again, this day to day spots spot. Now, Now,

776
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: when you're you're doing this in season scouting, you're walking along,

777
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: you find one of these betting areas where you're seeing

778
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: that hot sight, you're seeing a lot that the concentration

779
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: is right, it's uh, yeah, this is going to be

780
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: a spot we need to hit. Now, walk me through

781
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: the thought process from that moment on, like what are

782
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: you looking for to help determinal where do we need

783
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: to set up? How do we think they're going to

784
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: come out of here? Um, what's what's that next step from? Okay, yeah,

785
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: this is a great area to finding that perfect spot

786
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: within the spot that you're gonna actually sit in. How

787
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: you approach that? Yeah? So UM. I can actually use

788
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: an example from Nebraska from this season, which is actually

789
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: ends up being where I UM ended up getting the

790
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: buck um this year. The first day we went in there,

791
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: there was a piece that was there's a road that

792
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: went through the middle of it that was just public access,

793
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: like you could park it multiple different pull offs down

794
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: this road. It was just the sand road that went

795
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: through the piece. And we ended up driving down that

796
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: road and just trying to get a feel for the habitat,

797
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: and we jumped a couple of bucks and one of

798
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: them was the one I ended up killing. But we're

799
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: like that's a big one, Like that's the biggest one.

800
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: We've seen the whole trip, and we kind of freaked

801
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: out ended up going act turning around, going back to

802
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: the first pull off, and then going back right back

803
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: after him. Like they had just jumped out of that

804
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: betting area. But we suspected they weren't going to go

805
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: far and they would probably come right back, you know,

806
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: just just running away from from the vehicle. We didn't

807
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: figure that they would leave the county, you know. So

808
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: how we approached that is like there's a little bit

809
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: different situation, Like we didn't find the sign, but but

810
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: we knew they were in there. So how we went

811
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: about approaching it is like we just kind of got

812
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: to a high point so where we could see that

813
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: betting area and we could see kind of how the

814
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: land laid, and from that Logan and I have a

815
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: guy that I was with, we just were glassing that

816
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: whole area and we're looking for just little terrain features

817
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: that in ways that you know, just a little mini funnels,

818
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, just where we would expect trails to kind

819
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: of go through this piece of land to this little

820
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: creek bottom. And we just kind of kept getting the

821
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: different high points and looking at it from different angles,

822
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: and then we eventually were like, okay, this is the

823
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: best funnel from right on this point of the creek.

824
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: End up getting down there, and one of the two

825
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: bucks that we jumped was ended up coming right down

826
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: one of those trails and he caught our wind before

827
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: we got a good shot at him. But you know,

828
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: essentially the plan worked. He was coming right now in

829
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the place, right down the pipe, right where we expected

830
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: him to. Um, just gonna win win. Kind of messed

831
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: us up, but well, totally messed us up, but you know,

832
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: that was That's one example was just kind of getting

833
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: a field by looking at it. Okay, you know how's

834
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: that terrain lay? And just from past experiences, you know,

835
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: you get pretty good idea of how they are going

836
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: to work through a creek bottom. But I guess in

837
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: a different situation, if I was walking through an area

838
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: scouting it, um, like like the one I shot in

839
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: Nebraska last year, It's like, I'm in that area and

840
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: seeing all that sign I'm looking at how the trails

841
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: are oriented in there, looking at how the beds are oriented,

842
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: thinking about which wind does deer betting there on? And

843
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, in that situation with the one I shot

844
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: last year in Nebraska. A lot of those beds were

845
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: set up for south wind. They were kind of cover

846
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: it back facing to the north. So with that south wind,

847
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: they've got covered behind them, wind coming you know, at

848
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: their back, and they're looking out into an open area.

849
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: So with that kind of info, um, that's how we

850
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: decided to hunt it. And and that's the wind that

851
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: he was in there on and we ended up getting him.

852
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a lot of different factors. I

853
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm really sometimes I'm bad at I guess putting, like

854
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: thinking of all of the situations because it's always so different.

855
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you're just walking to an area and

856
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, you know up on this ridge

857
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: in you know, in Big timber Um. You know, maybe

858
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: a side hill has you know where there's a bench

859
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: and maybe there's an old clear cut down there. Well

860
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: there's a hard transition line there, and right off the

861
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: hard transition transition line there's just tons of you know,

862
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: heavily used scrapes. It's like, well, you know, those bucks

863
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: are working that transition line. They're scraping down along through there.

864
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: And that's as simple as it is. Like you hit

865
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: that that scrape line, you're like Okay, if we need

866
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: to back out of here and you know, come back

867
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: on the time when we feel like we're gonna hunt

868
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: the scrapes or maybe hunt it that day. You know,

869
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: every situation just vary so much, but you know, our

870
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: main mission is to be right where you know, the

871
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: most hot sign kind of comes together. Yeah, you just

872
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: mentioned something I was gonna. I was kind of curious

873
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: about your opinion on which is the question. Right there

874
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: you find the sign, do you hunt right away or

875
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: do you say, well, I gotta give it a few

876
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: days to rest because I just came in here. Maybe

877
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: you hung a stand or whatever it might be. I've

878
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: always kind of been in mind that you should hunt

879
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: it right then and there because maybe you can get

880
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: them coming back the one time that they don't know

881
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: something was there. But what's what's your take on that?

882
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: Um Ya, again, it varies. I'd kind of the same

883
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: way that you just said, Like I like to get aggressive,

884
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: Like I like, I like to try to break all

885
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: the rules, you know what I mean? Like I like to,

886
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: um wouldn't bump it and then go set up on

887
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: a you know that day, you know whatever, like just

888
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: do something weird and just try something different. But a

889
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: lot of times I would say if if it depends

890
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: on how much impact you feel like you've got. You know,

891
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: if you just kind of get into the edge of

892
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: it and you're still down down wind of all the

893
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: bedding or where you think the majority of the dr are,

894
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: and you pick up on a real hot straight right

895
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: on the edge of the you know, a transition line

896
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: that you think a buck's gonna show up there and daylight,

897
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, hunt it right then, just hanging a stand

898
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: up and hunt it or set up on the ground,

899
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. Um, But if you go

900
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: through a whole bedding area, you're bumping deer, you know,

901
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: there's a high impact. You're leaving your sin all over

902
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the betting area. A lot of

903
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: times in that situation, give it like generally two days.

904
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: So you know, just saying, let's say on November six,

905
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: we'd go blow up the world in a betting area,

906
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: but where like that that's the hot stuff, Like that's

907
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: the best stuff we've seen in the past week. Then

908
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: maybe on like November nine, we would go back in

909
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: there on the wind that we felt was right and

910
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: hope for the best. You know, it just depends on

911
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: how much that impact, how much you feel that impact,

912
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: he's going to throw the deer off. Yeah, my foilow

913
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: you So so continue with that Nebraska situation here this

914
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: year you found these bucks, you moved in there, you

915
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: had the one catcher wind, what was your plan from

916
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: there and out? So there was another little factor in

917
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: there that I haven't included yet. There was some other

918
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: guys who have actually just just got ahold of me.

919
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: They just messaged me today and thought that was pretty cool.

920
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: Kind of got to figure out what, you know, what

921
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: they were doing a little bit more and what we

922
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: were doing, and just trying to communicate a little bit better.

923
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: But there was these other guys that were hunting in there,

924
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: and they were going way back deeper into into the

925
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: piece of public. So they were driving past the betting

926
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: right past this betting area that we were hunting. And

927
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: the reason that we found these years because we drove

928
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: past the betting area and they jumped up. So when

929
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: we were making that first move that first night, they

930
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: came down that road and Logan, who was with me,

931
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: ran up there and asked, you know, if they would um,

932
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: if they would just like hold off or at least

933
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: just park at the first pull off and not you know,

934
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: go past them, because we knew that they were in there,

935
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: and very very kindly of them, they were like, yeah,

936
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: go for it, make a move on them, and and uh,

937
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, we'll just hold off of the evening so

938
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: that we're super thankful for that, super super are cool

939
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: with them to do that, and ended up making that move.

940
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: But we knew that those guys were hunting back there,

941
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: so that they were driving past that that betting area

942
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, at least four times a day,

943
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: and we waited a couple of days. I guess. We

944
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: hunted it that next morning and didn't see much. So

945
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we went through that that whole or

946
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: deal where we all we jumped them, almost got the one,

947
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: and then the next morning we hunted it, but nothing

948
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: really came back into that betting area. So we gave

949
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: it a couple of days, I think two full days,

950
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: and we went in there on the fifth day of season.

951
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: I guess it had been two and a half days

952
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: something like that, doesn't really matter about two days. Went

953
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: back in there on the fifth day of season in

954
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: the afternoon and pulled in and I was like, oh, man, like,

955
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: it looks like there's been people back in here and

956
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: that broke there. Know, there's tracks on the sand and

957
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: vehicle tracks, and we're like, well, let's try it anyway,

958
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta know, I just gotta at least

959
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: at least market off that you know, they've they've moved

960
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: on and they've moved to a different betting area. And

961
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: walked back, got about halfway back there and saw were

962
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: those tire tracks that actually stopped and turned around. Well,

963
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: it must have been somebody. It must have been somebody

964
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: else other than those guys, because I now know that

965
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: they had left after day three, so they hadn't been

966
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: back there for a couple of days either. So get

967
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: back there and all of a sudden it goes from

968
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: fresh tire tracks on the sand access road to like

969
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: nothing but deer tracks on top of old tire tracks.

970
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we might be in business here. And

971
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: we crept up to the very spot where we turned around,

972
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: and then those gear jumped up. That first day, I

973
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: crawled up and I decided I did that. I was

974
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: gonna just look into that betting area glass down there

975
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: until I saw a deer moving and if I knew

976
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: a deer was down in there, at least just even one,

977
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: even just a flicker of a tail, that was gonna

978
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: be enough for us to kind of make a play

979
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: on him get to a setup. I didn't want to.

980
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go right back into it and

981
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: like wasting, I guess, waste a whole hunt if I

982
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: didn't think that they were deer in there. So I

983
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: decided I would sit there for an hour, glass right

984
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: into that betting area kind of had a pretty good

985
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: advantage to where I could see down into it, and

986
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: that was that was my whole plan, was look at

987
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: it for an hour. If it's no good, we're just

988
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep moving and trying to figure out where they've

989
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: moved to. So I'm laying there glassing with my buyeose,

990
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: just down into this betting area. I'm not very far

991
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: from it. I'm only, you know, oh, probably sixty yards

992
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: from the edge of it. But I just, you know,

993
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: I had the wind right and I was just peeking

994
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: over from a high point and looking down in there.

995
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing anything. It's kind of starting to get

996
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of discourage, and all of a sudden,

997
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: I looked down and that big one was laying there

998
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: seventy yards from me, looking the other way, and the

999
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: whole Yeah, he was there the whole time. He was

1000
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: just betted, and uh. I was like, not no way.

1001
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that right. I'm like, there's no way.

1002
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: And his ear flicked and I was like, you gotta

1003
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: be kidding me, Like he's he's seventy yards from me,

1004
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: like has no idea and logan kind of back behind me,

1005
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: hiding a little bit more. I peek back over and

1006
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I like give him the signal like buck betted. You know.

1007
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: He calls up to me and I show him where

1008
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: the buck is and he sees it. He starts filming,

1009
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: and I I knew that there was no way that

1010
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: we were both gonna be able to get down in there,

1011
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: like you know, we were are already closed and now

1012
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: granted we could have I guess, I guess a million

1013
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: things went through my head in like a pretty short

1014
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: period of time because they didn't want to wait around

1015
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: too long, like either got to go for this thing

1016
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: right now in his bed, or we're gonna have to

1017
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: loop around and try to set up on a spot

1018
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: where he's going to uh, you know, maybe walk past,

1019
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: but now you're talking if you go set up now

1020
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about he can go just about any direction.

1021
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: You know, he gets up out of that bed. Now,

1022
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: we could have got really really close and put our

1023
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: odds pretty high, but it's like, we know literally right

1024
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: where he's at right now. So I just kind of studied,

1025
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, how the wind was playing through the creek bottom,

1026
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: looked at, you know, as best I could tell the

1027
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: way his body was oriented in that bed, and I

1028
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: started kind of making plans of Okay, how can I

1029
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: approach this to where he's not gonna see me or

1030
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: smell me or hear me coming, And new Logan would

1031
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: be able to film him from up on top there

1032
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: where I had spotted him from. So it was like

1033
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, do you see that seedar

1034
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: right there? That's where I'm gonna try to get to.

1035
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: I had ranged him the buck and he was at

1036
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: seventy and that seater was at fifty five. So I thought,

1037
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: if I can get to that feater, it looks like

1038
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: I'll have an opening and it looks like they'll be

1039
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: broadside to that spot that I'm gonna get to. So

1040
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: so like the next hour and a half, I just crawled,

1041
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: and I mean just painful, probably about two hours actually,

1042
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: and only you know, maybe a grand total of you know,

1043
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: forty some yards. I've been a little bit further than

1044
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: about fifty yards. And I crawled and I crawled and

1045
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: I crawled, and I was like just every time the

1046
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: wind would blow, I'd picked my bow up and I'm

1047
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: just mass draft down in front of me, and I

1048
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: was on um. I would just kind of try to

1049
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: follow any tiny little low spot I could get to.

1050
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just being super meticulous us about every little

1051
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: thing that I did, because it's like I just don't

1052
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: want to spook him, you know, at the very least,

1053
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to spook him and blow him out

1054
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: of here, because like we now know that he's been

1055
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: in here twice, and like we got a really good chance.

1056
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: But I also thought I had a really good chance

1057
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: that I could get up to that theater that I

1058
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: actually be able to get shot. So after like two hours,

1059
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: somewhere between an hour and a half two hours, like

1060
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: eventually get to that seedar and I just barely peek

1061
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: up at Logan and he's still film in that spot,

1062
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like well, he must still be there. So

1063
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: I peek around the right side of the feeder and

1064
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gone out see him over there. I'm

1065
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: glassing down there. I thought maybe maybe now and I'm lower,

1066
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: I can't see, you know, quite as well as I

1067
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: could from that vantage. I looked and lost and looked,

1068
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: and finally was like, well, I'm gonna have to try

1069
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: to get to the other side of the trees. Like

1070
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: crawled around on the side of the tree, I mean,

1071
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: just painfully slow. And as soon as I poked my

1072
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: head around, I was like, yelp, right there he is,

1073
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: and I mean, he's close, can I I hit him

1074
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: with the ring and he still looking the other way

1075
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: that and I hit him with the range finder nineteen yards,

1076
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: hit it again, nineteen hit again, nineteen good enough, So

1077
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: I've putting my release on. Well, a bunch of sand

1078
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: stuck in my release. It started panicking because I couldn't

1079
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: get my release open. Like got that figured out. And

1080
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: right as that happened, the other buck that we almost

1081
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: got a few nights prior stands up out of his

1082
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: bed and starts grunting walking towards the big one. And

1083
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: this is all while I can't get my release open,

1084
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: which I did, like I said, get figured out, but

1085
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: finally get my release on this little buck, well, you

1086
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: know Buck, the other buck, I don't want to say

1087
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: little bucks that have shot him a couple of times,

1088
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: shot him any other day. He's walking right at the

1089
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: bigger one, grunting, and he walks right up to him.

1090
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: In the whole time, the big Bucks is just like

1091
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: totally disregarding him. He's like totally ignoring him, and I'm

1092
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: just got my my my set on this hole. I

1093
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be bron side when he stands up.

1094
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: I know that his vitals should be exposed in this

1095
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, perfect little hole right there about the size

1096
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: of the basketball, and I'm just focusing on that spot,

1097
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: not moving at Little Buck walks to like ken yards

1098
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: from me and is looking at Logan. Can see Logan

1099
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: on top of the hill. Can't tell what he is,

1100
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: starts kind of seeing me. This all took probably ten

1101
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and he's looking at be looking at Logan,

1102
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: stops a little bit, eventually just gives up on it

1103
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: because he can't figure it out. We're both wearing gilly dudes,

1104
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: and he just kind of walks around, that buck walks

1105
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: right up to him, put his head on right into

1106
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: the bed, and then eventually just walked away. And I

1107
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe he didn't get up, Like

1108
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: I thought for sure that that little buck would at

1109
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: least make him stand up for a second. And I

1110
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe you know it really hated to

1111
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: be you know, got to to dark, and you know

1112
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: this buck never stands up. But anyway, I keep sitting

1113
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: there and I'm just focusing on the spot, and finally,

1114
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: like stupid, it was almost cost me. I looked back

1115
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: at Logan, just to make sure that he wasn't like,

1116
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, having him camera issues or anything, making sure

1117
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: that he wasn't like calling me off or anything. And

1118
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: I look at him. Everything looks good, and as I

1119
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: look back, he's starting to stand up, and I was like,

1120
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: oh no, Like as soon as he moved, I wanted

1121
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: to be drawing, like I almost matched up, and he

1122
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: just stood up and he looked right in my direction.

1123
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was facing me where he was broadside,

1124
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: but he was you know, his head was looking at me.

1125
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: And I was just like, well now or never, Like

1126
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: if he takes one step he's out of that hole,

1127
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: and I just drew back, putting on him, shot him

1128
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: and yeah, double along to him. And pretty weird, pretty

1129
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: weird story. Like I mean, I won't dive into it

1130
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: too much, and I'm sure there'll be plenty included in

1131
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: the video if anybody's interested. Guess but it hit him

1132
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: in both lungs and he betted three times. We bumped

1133
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: him once. He betted three times and like almost four

1134
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: yards and it hit him square like ten ring right

1135
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder. Weirdest thing I've ever seen, very very weird.

1136
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: We can but we could talk about that for a

1137
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: long time. I guess it was wild. Uh, I'll tell

1138
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: you you're a wild man, dude, going in there like

1139
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: that Gilly Suton and crawling for hundreds of yards into there.

1140
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: I gotta wonder you said that. You said that this

1141
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: video of the Final Hunt is forty five minutes long.

1142
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: Is it just forty five minutes of you crawling the

1143
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: entire time? I hope it is no, but no, but

1144
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be plenty of that. I'm sure it'll

1145
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: be pretty funny. H It was you know, one of

1146
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: those deals, you know, It was like I know, he's

1147
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: right there, Like I hate I hate leaving dear, like

1148
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: not getting as close to where they are as possible

1149
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: when you know exactly like their exact coordinates, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1150
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: I just always think it's silly, like um had a

1151
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: lot of people be like, yeah, it's all a big one.

1152
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: Watched him bed down, and you know we're gonna have

1153
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: to go after him a couple in a couple of

1154
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: days when we get the right winds, Like you watched

1155
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: him bed down and you left, you know, or like

1156
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: you watched him go into a bedding year and you

1157
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: left it like that, you know he's there, you know,

1158
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: if you know right where he's at, like just hunt

1159
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: that spot. And I guess you know, that's kind of

1160
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: what I was What I was thinking about, is like

1161
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: it's like I know, I know I'm gonna be mad

1162
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: if I don't try it. You know, I gotta at

1163
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: least try it, And you know, it's pretty painful, Like

1164
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: it's like I got all kinds of weird stuff still

1165
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: stuck in my body from that crawl, Like there's captus

1166
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: out there. Samber is like you know, whatever else is

1167
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: laying out there on the sand hills and I still

1168
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: got some weird, weird stuff on me, but it was

1169
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: well worth it. Yeah, but uh Dan, what are you?

1170
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: What are you thinking about all this? I think I

1171
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: need to hunt more out of state and buy a

1172
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: guilly suit. Yeah yeah, yeah, I think I think many

1173
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: a guilly suit is well. Just having having that option

1174
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: has really changed my whole perspective on hunting. Um. You know,

1175
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty wired guy. Like I'm drink a lot

1176
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: of coffee, you know, I'm just pretty excited. I feel

1177
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot of jumping around and I'm pretty empty, you know,

1178
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not a stand guy, you know, like I did.

1179
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work for my personality very well. Like

1180
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't like to sit like the guys that can

1181
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: sit all day during the run, Like I have so

1182
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: much respect for that because like I cannot do it.

1183
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: I can't sit for like like that sounds. It's just

1184
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: the thought of it is horrible to me to sit

1185
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: all day in one stand. I don't I mean I've

1186
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: done it a lot, but I don't like it. Yeah

1187
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty way, Uh Dan, This might be like a

1188
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: revolutionary idea for you, Dan, because because Dan has got

1189
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: these bad knees because of how old he is, he's

1190
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: not able to do those all day restits either. So

1191
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: maybe this is the key. Maybe you need this gilly

1192
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: suit tactic. Um, my luck, I just fall asleep in

1193
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: the grass. Yeah, I do plenty of that, man, no

1194
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: doubt falling in the grass a lot. So you gotta

1195
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: you gotta tell us more though about what you're how

1196
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: you're pulling off these groundstocks and everything, because I know

1197
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: you did this in Iowa last year too. Um, talk

1198
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: to us a little bit about just the things that

1199
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: you're thinking about to make that work. How you're going

1200
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: about the still hunting deal, um, how the gilly suits

1201
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: helping you? Anything else like that. But first, let's take

1202
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: our last break of the day to thank our friends

1203
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: at white Tail Properties. And white Tail Properties just launched

1204
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: a new video on their YouTube channel in that land

1205
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: Beat YouTube series I've been talking about, and this one's

1206
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. It's called Broadhead Myths Debunked and it goes

1207
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: through talks to an archery expert who walks us through

1208
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: how he went and tested all the broadheads on the

1209
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: market to see which one flew the best, which were

1210
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: the most consistent, What are the best broadheads to use

1211
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: out there? He shares us as results in this video,

1212
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: they are not going to be what you expect. It's

1213
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: kind of surprise result he's got there. It's very interesting.

1214
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: Highly recommend checking it out, especially if your season hasn't

1215
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: opened yet. They're still trying to figure out what broadheads

1216
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: are gonna shoot this year. Definitely want to check this

1217
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: one out, so heading over to the white Tail Properties

1218
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: YouTube channel check out the Broadhead Myths Debunked video, and

1219
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: you can also learn more about what white Tail Properties

1220
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: has got going on by going to white Tail properties

1221
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah. Well, I've always had like an interest

1222
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: in hunting on the ground because, like I said, I've

1223
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: been you know, I've just been too impatient to sit

1224
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: tree stands setups for you know, a whole season. And

1225
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, I really like I started watching White Tail

1226
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: Adrenaline a few years ago, like, man, like that just

1227
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: looks so fun and like I really really was inspired by,

1228
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, just something different. You know. It wasn't you know,

1229
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: and they don't talk a lot about exactly like all

1230
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: their theories and that's what like how they're approaching it.

1231
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: But like you know, it was like it's working, and

1232
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: that's really all that I needed to know is like

1233
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: somebody's out there trying it, and like I want to

1234
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: try that too, just because you know, I want to

1235
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: do something different. I want to just be limited to

1236
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: tree stands, and I also just like to move around

1237
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot. You know. That was kind of the you know,

1238
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: watching those guys was the inspiration to just go for

1239
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, somebody's doing it out there, and I,

1240
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, when I first started doing it, I think

1241
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: that you know, my friends kind of thought that it

1242
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: was stupid and a little crazy. But once we once

1243
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: we started doing it and we were wearing those gilli suits,

1244
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: like deer cannot figure out what's going on. Like never,

1245
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that in a setup

1246
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: like where we were actually set up on the ground,

1247
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: that deer has ever spotted us, like what they've they've

1248
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: smelled us, but I don't think one's ever actually just

1249
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: picked us off. Now a million times in my life

1250
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: I've had deer picked me off the tree and in high,

1251
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: higher pressured areas or higher pressure states like I'm sure

1252
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: Mark you dealon with in Michigan or like where I

1253
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: grew up in western Ohio, like deer looking for hunters

1254
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: and tree stands, and I see that even here in

1255
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: Iowa in public ground, like we get a deer to

1256
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: it down the end of us. The first thing that

1257
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: they do is look in the trees and they have

1258
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: no idea where we are. And like it's been pretty crazy.

1259
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's two guys on the ground hiding and

1260
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: guilies is they cannot figure it out. And they'll be

1261
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, in easy bow rage and they still can't

1262
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: figure out where we're at. And if you think about

1263
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: how you know, what you know, if you've read anything

1264
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: about how white tails can see or um, you know,

1265
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: just there's there's a decent amount of research. I can't

1266
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: see anything but movement very well. And you know what

1267
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: that gillies feel. You're just breaking up that human shape,

1268
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: like you don't have the head and shoulders, and and

1269
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: that I think is ultimately what you know, it's kind

1270
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: of it's really the make or break of it is

1271
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: like if they see your head and shoulders, they're gone.

1272
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: But if they can't see that, and the guilli suit

1273
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: just does an incredible job just you know, um breaking

1274
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: that up. I also have like I don't know, probably

1275
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: close to a foot long hair, so like that helps

1276
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: break up. It's like the gilly haircut. You gotta have

1277
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: that too. Hey, good question. How much does one of

1278
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: those Gilly suits cost? Ah? Man, You know, I don't

1279
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: really know ours. The ones that we got a friend

1280
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: that actually gave them to us, and they were like

1281
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: I think if you look for him on line, you

1282
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: can find them. I want to say, yeah, it's bush

1283
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: rag dot com, and that's where you can find the

1284
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: exact ones that we're wearing. I don't know how much

1285
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: they cost because we didn't actually buy them, but I

1286
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: want to say that there relatively inexpensive, like you know

1287
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: what you would be spending on a tree stand or

1288
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: something like that. Those white tail adrenaline guys, don't they

1289
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: just make them themselves? Like those are homemade? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1290
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: And I think like like my friend Jake who works

1291
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: with with us, he um, he's built his own in

1292
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: the past, and his grandma also had one together for

1293
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: him one time. And you know, when when I was

1294
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: growing up, me and my dad always used the leafy suits,

1295
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: um like, especially for turkey hunting. You know those you know,

1296
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: they're basically just have like maple leaves that kind of

1297
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: hang off of them. I think all that stuff will work.

1298
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: Anything really to anything that will match the color of

1299
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: the habitat that you're in, and that's gonna break up

1300
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: that head and shoulders is gonna work. Um, you know something,

1301
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: I guess not to get off the Guilly subject, but

1302
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of see it. I want to. I want to

1303
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: do it without a Guilly now, Like I want to

1304
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: just like wear like a solid like color like tan

1305
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: or brown and just do it without the Guilly because

1306
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: I think it's also it's that's still possible too. It's

1307
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: just a lot of it being aware of your surroundings

1308
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: and like again, trying to get the human shape broken up.

1309
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: And I think the Gilli suit makes that super easy.

1310
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: But I think it would be fun to just you know,

1311
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: try it without a couple of times if see, if

1312
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, it can be pulled off. I mean people

1313
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: are doing it for sure. It's just kind of a

1314
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: kind of a fun challenge I think would be to

1315
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: just kind of go with without even wearing camo. Just

1316
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: wear like dan longsleeve shirt or something. I think they

1317
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: can work. And like I was saying, the wild card,

1318
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: try in the flannel, dude, I think I agree, Dude.

1319
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: I don't think camo is as important as people think

1320
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: it is. Hmm, No, I don't. I don't want at all.

1321
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: I think. Um. I mean, there's all kinds of different

1322
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: camo patterns that guys are wearing out there, and they're

1323
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: all you know, everybody's you know, having success with all

1324
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: different types of stuff. The biggest thing is is just

1325
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: blending with your surroundings as best as you can. And

1326
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: I think some times, I mean, like a lot of

1327
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: people's grandpa's hunted and like red flannels. I mean, my

1328
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: grandpa hunted it. His hunting clothes were red. Was like

1329
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: a red flannel and like you know, bid like tam Bibbs.

1330
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: You know that's both my Grandpa's hunted in that stuff

1331
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: for years. You know. Now they wear camo, but you know,

1332
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: for years and years, that's that's what people hunted in.

1333
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: And like you know that the color red or or

1334
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: you know a hunter orange. You know. So I think

1335
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: sometimes people are like, oh, you can never wear that, well,

1336
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: dare don't see color like we see color. I mean

1337
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm no expert on that by any means,

1338
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: but like obviously they don't, or they'd be running from

1339
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: every guy that was wearing Hunter orange during gun seasons.

1340
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: Does not stop. I mean they never stopped run. But

1341
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, I mean I don't think it's quite

1342
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: as important as some people make it out to be.

1343
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: It's just blending with your surroundings, is so yeah, I think, Dan,

1344
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: what you need to do is just gonna old blue

1345
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: suit all blue. And if you do that, um, I

1346
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the ticket to your success. They'll

1347
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: they'll put me up there with the grage then, right, yes,

1348
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: they would if you can pull it off, because that's

1349
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: actually that's like the one color that really does pop

1350
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: to white tails, while orange and red blends and gray

1351
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: blue would be the toughest. So if you if if

1352
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: you end up getting to kill a buck wearing like

1353
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: tan solid stuff, Zach, then yeah, then you really do

1354
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: need to try blue. That'll be like the final test

1355
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: if you can really really fool them. I've read I've

1356
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: read that. I've read that that thing about the blue

1357
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 1: so you never know, wild card out here breaking rules.

1358
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: So so you, uh, you're wearing the Gillis suit, you're

1359
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 1: stalking on in these deer do you are you gonna

1360
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: go and use this kind of tactic on any day,

1361
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: or or is it are you waiting for certain conditions,

1362
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: like do you just use this when it's nice and

1363
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: windy or rainy or something like that to break up

1364
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: your sound or what about that? That's actually, yeah, that's

1365
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: a really good question. I would prefer uh, I would

1366
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: prefer probably like rainy, windy days in November, you know,

1367
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: that's when it's the easiest to just like sneak up

1368
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: on a buck just being silly. Um. But at the

1369
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: same time, I always always say, pick the one factor

1370
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: that you can take and use gear advantage. Now, some

1371
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: days I'll use a couple of examples here. Some days,

1372
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people would say that you

1373
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 1: would never want to do it on a still crisp morning.

1374
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: I love still crisp mornings because I can just hear

1375
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: so much. But that's the one factor that I'm taking away.

1376
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: I can't cover as much ground, you know, or I

1377
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: can't maybe go barrel and into a spot quite like

1378
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: I can on you know, the wet, windy day. But

1379
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: if it's cold and crisp and and not much wind,

1380
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: I think you can just hear you are coming way

1381
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: before they can hear you. If you're going slowing up.

1382
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: You just got to change that caden stuff. If you've

1383
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: got a um oh, let's say a day where it's

1384
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: super it's super windy and hot, you know you're gonna

1385
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: just your strategy again, it is gonna change. If it's

1386
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: super windy, you can move super fasty, you can just

1387
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: bounce around of these different areas. Um you know, there's

1388
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: tons and tons of I guess different variations and weather conditions.

1389
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: But you know, I like to just pick that one

1390
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: thing that I guess, that one thing that you can

1391
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: as as the hunter, can focus on beating the deer.

1392
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: App whether that site or sound, there's generally something you

1393
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: can pull from any weather condition and just use that

1394
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: to your advantage. That makes sense. Now, what about your

1395
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: basic Ah, you mentioned that your cadence, how you're slowing

1396
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: it down certain conditions, speeding up in others. You know,

1397
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: I feel like like you did in Nebraska this year

1398
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: and kind of talked about in the past, you're kind

1399
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: of going into a new area and you're you're half scouting,

1400
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 1: half hunting, walking on the ground like that. Can you

1401
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: you talked about what you're looking for from the scouting standpoint,

1402
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: but from the hunting standpoint, you know how fast you're

1403
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: typically going? How I mean, are you you stopping every

1404
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: five yards and glassing or you cover more ground or

1405
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of what does the actual process look like for

1406
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: you to make this work. Well, there's there's two different

1407
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: there's two different uh totally different type of cadence. Like, well,

1408
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: I guess there's some times variation. I guess that's stupid

1409
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: to say, but the two major differences, there's like the

1410
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: slow one and then there's the fast one. And like

1411
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 1: the fast one is like generally just getting to a spot.

1412
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: And honestly, the fast one has produced buck sidings just

1413
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: as much as the slow one. And what's going on there?

1414
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times like just going fast

1415
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: not really caaren like knowing that there's a good stand

1416
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna sump into something. But sometimes I'm kind

1417
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: of purposely doing that, like kind of going a little

1418
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: too fast because if there's one around, I want to know,

1419
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: I want to see him jump up and run or

1420
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: I want to see him stand up and try to

1421
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. And my friend Sean and

1422
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: I were not hunt last year where we were doing

1423
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: pretty much exactly that we were. We were playing on

1424
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: going way deeper into this piece of public and you know,

1425
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,799
Speaker 1: we're moving pretty quick down and we're kind of getting

1426
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: just starting to get into you know, where there was

1427
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: the best, you know, best betting habitat, but we were

1428
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: still wanting to go deeper and we were moving pretty

1429
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: quick and a buff heard us. It was one of

1430
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: those windy days. He heard a twig snap and he

1431
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: jumped up and he started looking around. He's like fifty

1432
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: yards away, but he couldn't see us, and like he

1433
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: heard us, but we saw him before he saw it,

1434
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: and he like, you know, he's panicking, he's looking around.

1435
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: Ended up watching him go right back into that betting area.

1436
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: Turned out he's with the dough and we just kind

1437
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: of hung with him right in that area, and we

1438
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: almost got him a couple of times. He was right

1439
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: at about forty yards. We just needed him to become

1440
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: a little bit closer. But um, you know that I

1441
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 1: guess that aggressive cadence that's faster walk. And it's almost

1442
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: like you know Dan Insult talks about like bed stacking

1443
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: or or like stacking up a betting area. It's kind

1444
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: of the same thing, right, Like we're just kind of

1445
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: plowing through or we're not necessarily plowing, We're just moving

1446
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 1: fast enough that like, if there's be around, we wanted

1447
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: them to kind of know, kind of hear us. And

1448
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: then as we start getting towards those areas that we're

1449
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: really thinking about focusing on, we're gonna slow down to

1450
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: the point of, you know, if you can hear yourself

1451
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: and not hear anything else, you're going too fast. And

1452
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm impatient. I have a kind of bad

1453
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: habits of getting going a little bit fast. But if

1454
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: I noticed that I'm doing that, just trying to you know,

1455
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,919
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, calm down, and just like remember

1456
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: that I'm not necessarily trying to get anywhere. I don't

1457
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: have a point B that I need to be at.

1458
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: I'm hunting right now, and like I have to be

1459
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: more aware of my surroundings and just calm myself down.

1460
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: And you know when and Sean Sean, my friend Sean Farrendorf, Um,

1461
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: he works for a white Tail property now, but we're

1462
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: he worked at the Midwest white Tail for a little bit,

1463
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 1: you know him and I kind of he was kind

1464
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: of the first person to be like, yeah, let's try it,

1465
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, let's try, you know, doing more of this

1466
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: still hunting, and it took it took some time for

1467
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: us to really figure out. And he I used to

1468
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: pick on him a lot because he had this tendency

1469
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: of like all of a sudden, he would just be

1470
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: going way too fast, like, dude, you've gotta slow down.

1471
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: Like just remember, you're not trying to get to anywhere specific.

1472
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: You're just you're now hunting. You're now looking for sign,

1473
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: you're looking for deer. You're trying to figure out you know,

1474
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're find heaps, set up or just keep

1475
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: and then I think, um, it can vary so much,

1476
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: but you're back, I guess back to your question, like

1477
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: do you glass? You know, yeah, a lot of times

1478
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: we're just taking a few steps, and a lot of

1479
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: times we're doing that right on a deer trail. You know,

1480
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: we're just using the deer trail to keep inching closer

1481
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: to where we think that they're spending their time during

1482
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: the daylight. And you know, you walk a few steps,

1483
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,839
Speaker 1: class listen, sometimes stand there for a few minutes, Sometimes

1484
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: stand there for fifteen minutes. You know, I think if

1485
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: you bump a deer, stand there for fift twenty minutes

1486
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: let things come back down, and you'll find that a

1487
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, those deer actually aren't even

1488
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: going that far, Like they may just run up bound

1489
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: fifty yards away and then go right back to what

1490
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: they were doing because they weren't ever actually sure what

1491
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: was that, you know, really going on? That winds in

1492
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: your face and a deer sees you and you're wearing

1493
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: a gilly suit and it's like, well, what the heck

1494
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: is that? It just kind of runs out site. It's

1495
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: gonna forget about you in twenty minutes, I mean a

1496
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: lot of time. And you know, there was a couple

1497
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: of hunts here in Nebraska that we just had where

1498
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 1: we we literally in this one hunt that we had

1499
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: popped up into this kind of overlooking this little betting area,

1500
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 1: and I had seen deer betted in their does bettered

1501
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: in their last year, and they got up to the

1502
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: top of the hill, and right as we trusted the hill,

1503
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: a fawn came running up out of the betting area,

1504
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: just totally random, like you know how funds will just

1505
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of start running around like and just playing around.

1506
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what that fun was doing, because

1507
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: it came we crested the hill, and it was cresting

1508
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: right at the same time we were, and it blew

1509
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: and took off run and while another dough stood up

1510
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: at the betting area took off running blowing, and then

1511
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: a few minutes later and went by some other deer

1512
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: stand up accidentally spooked them. They took off blowing. So

1513
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: we just sat there for like fifteen twenty minutes, and

1514
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: sure enough, the buck that we had been hunting back

1515
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: in that area stood up right in the middle of

1516
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: where all those dods had just flushed from, and he

1517
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: just stood up, just his antlers sticking out, and he

1518
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: just scanned that hole area for you know, ten fifteen

1519
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: minutes before he even took a step. And I think that,

1520
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, the mistake comes when you bump one deer,

1521
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: then you can just just get piste off and you

1522
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: just keep going. You're like a you know, and I

1523
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: didn't want to you know, I didn't want to spook

1524
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: any deer. I don't want to bump into anything. Well,

1525
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, don't let that get you discouraged. Just know

1526
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: that the kid we're getting close to more deer probably

1527
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: just slow down, take a minute, sit there, maybe have

1528
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: a snack, drink some water, just kind of hang out

1529
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: for a little bit, because sometimes if you get you know,

1530
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I think if you get piste off and you just

1531
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: keep plowing through it, you're you are going to continue

1532
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: to bump the deer. But if you let things calm down,

1533
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: settle yourself down a little bit, and just get right

1534
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: back into Caden's after things of you know, I guess

1535
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: calm down and a lot of times you're not hurting

1536
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: as much as if you just keep playing through. Yeah.

1537
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: I love the idea of this because I think one

1538
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: of the things that I mean, if you if you

1539
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of guys even just or even

1540
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: analyze our own hunts, like me and Dan year after year,

1541
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: one of the things we always come back to is that,

1542
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we overhunted the spot, or maybe we

1543
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: didn't move fast enough on this new information. We didn't

1544
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: move the stand that day, We waited two days and

1545
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: it was too late. When you're on the ground, there's

1546
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: nothing holding you back from making the move on the fly,

1547
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: being mobile, um, not over hunting the same thing. Uh,

1548
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: you know that, Like you you mentioned earlier, the power

1549
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: of the first set when you're hunt on the ground,

1550
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: like this, you can do that every single hunt. Um,

1551
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: that's it's very appealing. Um. I hope Dan, I hope

1552
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: you do this. I hope you really do this, Dan,

1553
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: because I think this is I think I'm gonna, you know,

1554
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: dabble with it a little bit more myself. I feel like,

1555
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: any way you can, man, go ahead, go ahead. I

1556
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: was gonna say, anyway you can remove obstacles to do

1557
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: in the right thing. It's a good idea. So whether

1558
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: it means we're moving a tree stand completely so it's

1559
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: easier to make those moves and you need to, or

1560
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: you know something I did this year that started testing

1561
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: a saddle because that would make things easier to make

1562
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: a quick move. Um, for sure, I think all those

1563
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: things can help well. And then the fact that go

1564
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: ahead in Iowa, right, I mean the first fifteen to

1565
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: twenty days of October, there's still crops in the fields.

1566
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: So like for me, I can definitely see a scenario

1567
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: like that playing out where I'm just going and hiding

1568
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: in a cornfield or I'm going and hiding in a

1569
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: buffer strip that that could that could open up a

1570
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: whole new can of worms. They're talking about crops being

1571
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: being up versus not up. I mean, if there's ever

1572
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: a time to go in and blow up the world,

1573
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: go blow them up. Bedding in a cornfield. I mean

1574
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, growing up in western Ohio,

1575
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of bucks that are spending a

1576
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: lot of time in the corn and like, if there's

1577
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: a better time to go bust them out. I mean,

1578
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be there when that corn comes down,

1579
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: Like if they're on an island of trees in the

1580
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 1: middle of the corn field, Like they're gonna bed there

1581
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: pretty consistently until that you know, those you know, factors

1582
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: changed and the corn comes out, and then they're gonna

1583
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: be somewhere completely different. Like you might as well go

1584
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: after him then, because you're definitely not going to get

1585
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: them in the spots, you know. I mean, they're just

1586
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: not spending time in those areas that they will be,

1587
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, a month or two down the road. And

1588
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: I think, and and honestly, the whole reason that I

1589
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: really kind of took this, you know, ground hunting thing

1590
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: and then just kind of ran with it is I

1591
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: want I want to at least could like helps people

1592
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: feel offidite about it. And I'm confident about trying something different.

1593
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that it's for everybody. I'm not,

1594
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: but I think that there's a lot of opportunity there

1595
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: that people are missing out on because you know, it's

1596
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like that rule book has said for

1597
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: so long, you know, like hunt out of a tree stand,

1598
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't bump into deer early in the season. Um,

1599
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, don't. I don't know, don't you know, spread

1600
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: your boots down and stuff like, I mean, all that

1601
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: stuff like it's just for me. I yeah, yeah, I would.

1602
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I would stick with that one. I would not wear

1603
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: a blue But you know, I think, but I think

1604
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: that you know, just having that confidence to be able

1605
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: to try something different, it's really you know, I want

1606
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I want people to feel okay trying something different. I

1607
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: want them to I want people to feel okay when

1608
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: they bump a buck and try to learn something from

1609
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: it and and not not have a season of I

1610
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: mean I had and and here's the main reason. When

1611
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: I was in college, I got into a rut. I

1612
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: got into you know, kind of a position where how

1613
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: it was getting content. You know, had stands where I

1614
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: killed bucks before I had areas on public land that

1615
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: I you know, it was you know, like consistent spots,

1616
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,839
Speaker 1: and I just limited myself to that stuff and limited

1617
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: myself to these areas that I, you know, min Scaling

1618
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: had been hunting for years and you know it stands

1619
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: I killed bucks in and then it just got stagnant

1620
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: and it's just like nothing was getting The encounters weren't increasing,

1621
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: you know, the um Mount Dear I was shooting was

1622
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: not increasing. It was just stacking and it was all

1623
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: just the same. And I got super set up with that,

1624
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: and you know, just wanted to get outside of you know,

1625
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: my comfort zone a little bit. And and even before

1626
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: I started hunting on the ground, I feel like, you know,

1627
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: we were definitely doing that. Um it's just those years

1628
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: I think back on them and I'm you know, just

1629
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: really disappointed that I didn't start doing it earlier, you know,

1630
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: just trying something different, trying to think outside of the

1631
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: box as much as possible. And you know, since then,

1632
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: the amount of encounters that I've had since I've started

1633
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: thinking outside the box, whether that's tree stand um in,

1634
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: a tree stand on the ground, whatever, that's when the

1635
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: encounters really started skyrocketing, like went from you know maybe

1636
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: at the best years, even like in Iowa, we were

1637
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, let's say, how five really good encounters with

1638
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: the mature buck in Iowa, And then when we started

1639
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: going just like really getting out of the comfort zone

1640
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and really trying to push the envelope and get close

1641
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: to where these bucks for betting, like being counters, just

1642
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: went like through the roofs. Like it's like every other

1643
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: time we're going out, we're just seeing a box. You know,

1644
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: maybe we're not killing him necessarily, but we're like seeing

1645
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: way more, way more bucks that we're looking to shoot

1646
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: than before. And you know, that really was eye opening

1647
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, there's something there's something we said about

1648
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 1: the fact that lots of times we do kind of

1649
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: limit ourselves by this arbitrary, known way of you're supposed

1650
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: to do it, and you just kind of it's easy

1651
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: to get stuck in that like, Okay, this is what

1652
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do it, so you just do it

1653
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: that way. But to your point, you know, you see

1654
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: one guy doing a different way, you're like, oh, that

1655
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: that can work. That kind of opens up all these

1656
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: new possibilities. That's that's exciting. So it's been cool to see,

1657
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, what Jared's been doing with what tail drenin,

1658
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: what you're doing with this UM or you know, all

1659
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: sorts of different ideas out there, you know, Andre du Quisto,

1660
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: the bumping dump idea out there that I feel like

1661
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: now Dan and then you guys have been kind of

1662
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: evolving similar tactics around that um a lot of ways

1663
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna cat yeah, yeah, And that's you know, I

1664
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: think to your point, Like, I think that just having

1665
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, a playbook with all different types of plays

1666
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: in it is way more effective than just limiting yourself

1667
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: and feeling you're like you're limiting yourself to one one

1668
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: specific tactic, Like like I still like hunting funnels during

1669
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: the rut and I still like hunting. I love one

1670
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: of them. Like one of the best setups I think

1671
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: in the flat river bottom country of Iowa is like

1672
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: get on the river with a perpendicular wind to that

1673
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: river channel and sit there and like a buck is

1674
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: going to cruise down it, especially if you're close to

1675
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, really good betting habitat like sitting

1676
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 1: on a river. To me, it's like such an unbelievable tactic.

1677
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: It works out here super well. But like I don't

1678
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: want to just be limited to that play, you know,

1679
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I personally don't want to

1680
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: sit in the tree stands or seven days straight on

1681
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: funnels like I like to do it occasionally, but I

1682
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do it every single day of the season.

1683
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: And and I also don't want to wait for that

1684
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: to be the only opportunity. I guess that makes sense,

1685
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, but that does um. So, two final questions

1686
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: on the ground hunting deal. Um, can you talk about

1687
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,799
Speaker 1: how you're thinking about the wind when you are heading

1688
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: in and then also if you decide to set up

1689
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: from the ground, if you think about wind differently at

1690
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: all than you know if you're hunting in a tree stand.

1691
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: And then the last thing on that front is the

1692
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: kind of a two part question. Um. Part two is

1693
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: talk about actually getting the shot getting drawn back because

1694
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like encounters are you know, definitely possible, but

1695
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: it's gotta be a little bit harder to pull off

1696
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: those shots in the ground. Um. So I'm curious about

1697
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: those two things. Yeah, I think those are really good questions.

1698
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: And I think the thing about the wind, I think

1699
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: maybe my answer may may be a little bit different

1700
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: than expected, like what I found them with the wind

1701
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: on the ground. Now I approach it the same way

1702
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: that you would um on you know, going to a

1703
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 1: tree standard with a tree stand set up, like I'm

1704
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: always going into the wind or across winds, like I

1705
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: don't ever want to have the wind in my back

1706
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: um and a lot. I like cross winds just as

1707
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: much as I like the wind in my face. Um and.

1708
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: And the reason being is is if sometimes I feel

1709
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: like I'm going directly into the wind, that Buck is

1710
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: just betting with his face pointed right at me. You know,

1711
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you've if you've watched Buck's bed and, um,

1712
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, almost always they're betting. I wouldn't say always,

1713
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: but they're almost always betting facing down wind. And that's

1714
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,879
Speaker 1: why I kind of like that cross wind. And sometimes

1715
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you can kind of catch them from

1716
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: the side. And you you know, Sean and I last

1717
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: year and November nineteenth, I think we've snuck up on

1718
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: three bedded bucks and we're like fifty yards from them.

1719
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: We had a cross wind, and they had no idea

1720
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: where they were. We were there, and they had every

1721
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: advantage to see us except for the way that we

1722
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: approached it with a cross wind. Um. And then the

1723
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: other thing with the wind that I've found is like

1724
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: when you're set up, you don't get as much of

1725
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: that crazy swirling and crazy thermal play that you get

1726
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: when you're up in the tree stand. Like your wind.

1727
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,560
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's just like going into you know,

1728
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of getting stuffed by feeders or willows or taller

1729
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: ass whatever. Maybe it's not traveling. It doesn't seem to

1730
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: travel quite as far as it does when you're elevated,

1731
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: Like it seems like you're you're you're sent your down

1732
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: wind area is way bigger, you know, the spook zone.

1733
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I guess it's like way bigger when you're a stand

1734
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: and when you're on the ground consistently and spotted left

1735
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: I'm ground setups and I would say pretty consistently have

1736
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: been winded less than tree stands there. Yeah, then tree

1737
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: stands setups. Um. It's it sounds weird, but like do

1738
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, we carry milkweed with us

1739
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and like a lot of times you

1740
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: drop that milk weed and it just like gets stuffed

1741
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: by something, and it doesn't seem like it's traveling quite

1742
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: as far as when you get up in the stand,

1743
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: you got all that open ground down below you for

1744
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: that wind to get down catch weird different thermals, different. Yeah,

1745
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: it's like it's been a really eye opening um just

1746
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: seeing how that wind goes away from the ground set up.

1747
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: It's it's it's pretty crazy and I'm really really pleased

1748
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: with that. And you know, I'm the stinkiest guy ever

1749
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: out there, Like I don't kindn't use any um, Like

1750
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't have enough time with all the editing and

1751
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: stuff we do, we don't have any time to do

1752
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: um you know, any type of china control our set

1753
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: and trying to smell anything less than you know, just

1754
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a stinky human. So like I want to know that

1755
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: that wind isn't just doing crazy stuff. And I found,

1756
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, on the ground it just seems to be

1757
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: just a little bit more consistent and just doesn't seem

1758
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: to travel as far. And then I guess as far

1759
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: as the shot goes, UM, I love the shot opportunities

1760
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 1: because it's like you're shooting at a target. You know,

1761
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 1: when you get up in the tree stand and elevated,

1762
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: you're starting to talk about some weird angles sometimes, especially

1763
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 1: if you're getting way up in the tree stand. Um.

1764
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: I've actually been talking a lot about this year. You know,

1765
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: we actually got some saddles tree saddles as well, and

1766
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: we're excited about China those you know, we've been talking. Yeah,

1767
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: I think the opportunity is unbelievable just being mobile. But

1768
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, the shot and I can I'll touch on

1769
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 1: drawing in a minute, but you know, the shot angles

1770
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: have been a huge game changer for me because the

1771
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: shots that I messed up when I was younger, I

1772
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 1: used a lot of climber stand climbing stands and I

1773
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: was younger, you know, that was my mobile set up

1774
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: because you know, Ohio, the trees aren't quite as bushy

1775
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: as they are out here in Iowa. Like Ohio trees

1776
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: are really straight, like telephone poles, Like you don't have

1777
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: a lot of that horizontal branch and kind of that

1778
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: brushy type tree that you get in and you know

1779
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: other parts in the Midwest. So I was a lot

1780
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 1: of times just trying to get super super far up

1781
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: in trees and the climber and not in turn would

1782
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: like get these really horrible angles to where a lot

1783
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: of the shots that I messed up I really in

1784
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 1: hindsight now, I think if I would have just been lower,

1785
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: I would have had more vitals to work with. You know,

1786
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 1: the higher you get, the weirder that angle gets. And

1787
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: I've I've made a lot of shots on deer that

1788
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: you know, I made a lot of shots on deer

1789
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: that I have recovered all these but you know, like

1790
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: one long liver and that's a lot of that has

1791
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: to do with like a high tree stand angle. You know,

1792
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: when you're on the ground, you're shooting at that deer

1793
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: like eye level, flat like you've got all that to

1794
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: work with. You don't have any weird angles from being

1795
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: too too far up. And that's my like, my really

1796
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: my favorite part about the ground coming the shot angles,

1797
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: you know. And one when one's at twenty yards, he

1798
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 1: never looks like he's further than twenty yards. He looks

1799
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: like twenty yards, you know, like like you're shooting at

1800
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: your three D target in the backyard. It's awesome, like

1801
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: so instinctual. You know, you just draw back center that

1802
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: pin and then you don't have to think about much

1803
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: more than that. And then I guess as far as

1804
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: drawing the actually just got ahold of a Matthew's try acts.

1805
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: And I love that thing because it's super short. It's

1806
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: like eight inches. Do you have fun mark? That thing

1807
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: feels so tiny. Yeah, And I love that because like

1808
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 1: that makes it so easy to draw on the ground.

1809
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: I do a lot of like basically put that low,

1810
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 1: that bottom limb parallel to the ground as close as

1811
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,679
Speaker 1: I can, and draw the bow facing down and then

1812
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 1: then rise up. Like if you watch them. The buck

1813
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: I killed in Iowa last year and that I know

1814
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: that one was a little bit different, actually stood all

1815
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: the way up because I knew that when he was

1816
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: going behind a bush, I could just stand up and draw.

1817
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is is just keeping your profile

1818
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: low if they're if they're you know, if they're going

1819
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: to be able to see you, keep that profile low,

1820
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and then I just ease up to them and I've drawn.

1821
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 1: I practiced draw on a ton of deer to make

1822
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: sure that, like, and I highly recommend that either you're

1823
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: in a tree stand or you're in a um on

1824
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: the ground, tree saddle, whatever. Like the more experience you

1825
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: get practiced drawing, the better you know you get it

1826
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: just making that decision, and it just comes more natural

1827
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:19,480
Speaker 1: when you know it's a moment of truth. But um,

1828
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: the again, the biggest thing is keeping a low profile

1829
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,839
Speaker 1: and just you know, using using the vegetation and the

1830
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: terrainteer advantage. Like if he can't if you can't see

1831
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: his eyes, if you've got a chance to draw, do

1832
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: it then and be ready. Um. And I've actually found

1833
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: that it's pretty easy to pull off, especially in grassy habitat.

1834
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Maybe he got enough graphs that, like I sit on

1835
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: my knees mostly, and like if I'm sitting on my

1836
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: knees and I can draw that bow below that line

1837
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 1: of vegetation, a lot of times, it's pretty you know,

1838
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: pretty easy to do without them seeing you. Yeah, it's

1839
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: all about that timing. It seems like mm hmm yeah,

1840
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: same as a bear in a tree stand. Ye. Um,

1841
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, Dan. I know you've got to drop

1842
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 1: off here kind of soon. So do you have any

1843
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: final thing you want to make sure we cover? Was

1844
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: that before you have to bail? I'm just I'm kind

1845
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: of curious, uh, when it comes to like making like

1846
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: making the decision right. I mean, there had to be

1847
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of failures uh in in what you

1848
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: do that led you to the method that you're you know,

1849
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 1: hunting right now. So maybe like talk about a couple

1850
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: of big failures that we're maybe aha moments that's like, hey, gosh,

1851
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: darn it, man, I should have done this. Mhm um. Well,

1852
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: I guess as far as the like the cadence and

1853
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 1: moving or like the setups, um, like once you've got

1854
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: to a spot, you know that a lot of that's

1855
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 1: just like major hard you know, like hard lost trial

1856
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: and air right like, yeah, we didn't have enough cover

1857
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: there or um. One one thing that really sticks out

1858
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 1: to me, um, there was a hunt last year, I

1859
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: believe it was October and there was this there was

1860
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: this betting area that I had hunted. I actually jumped

1861
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: a buck out of it the year prior, and just

1862
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 1: by hunting back there year prior, you know, I kind

1863
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 1: of put the pieces of the puzzle together and there

1864
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: was this scrape line I knew of that was right

1865
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: on the transition line of the betting area, and Jake

1866
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: and I went in there to still hunt it that

1867
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: morning and Ibby diners like we weren't going in there,

1868
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to the cameras so stupid, like about

1869
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: all this sign that we were seeing and like how

1870
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,959
Speaker 1: you know, looking really good, and you know, we're basically

1871
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: talking about, hey, we found the hot sign, right and

1872
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: sure enough, we were sitting in a place where we

1873
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: didn't have enough cover and we weren't set up. We

1874
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 1: were to continue moving, but like this was a huge, huge,

1875
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: like like learning, like this like point of learning, Like

1876
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: we we messed this up so bad. I have a decoy,

1877
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: had a little one of those heads up silhouette decoys,

1878
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: and I have that, so that was a little bit

1879
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: of cover. But like we were just pretty much sitting

1880
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: out in the open. Now we both had gilly suits on,

1881
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: so that definitely helps, but we didn't have any like

1882
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: big trees or anything around us. We were just kind

1883
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: of sitting out like a little bit of graphs beside us,

1884
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: which helps us a little bit. But sure enough we're

1885
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 1: sitting there and like this is all like captured on video.

1886
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wait, do you hear that? It's like

1887
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: there's got to be a buck like scraping, Like it

1888
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: just was like that classics, just like sucking. They're just

1889
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: hoofing up the place. Sure enough, I look up and

1890
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: just this tank is standing there looking towards us. It's

1891
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like he's too close, Like we're

1892
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: in a bad spot. So I I did my best

1893
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: to get that decoy in front of me, and I

1894
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: did get it set up and kind of stubbed it

1895
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: down on the ground, so sitting up in front of me,

1896
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: and he saw it. He started to circle down wind

1897
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: and he's in bow range. He's thirty yards. I didn't

1898
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: have a really good clear shot, and I got drawn

1899
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: on him and everything, but I just didn't have a

1900
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 1: good shot. But like he'd eventually was just got weirded

1901
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: out by the situation, blew and just kind of slowly

1902
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: bounded and then and then walked away. And that moment

1903
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, if you're still hunting, never stop where

1904
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: there's not covered, dude, Like that's so dumb, Like why

1905
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: were we just sitting out in the middle of the open.

1906
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: I really think that if we had just had a

1907
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: big tree to hide most of our body behind, like

1908
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: we'd have got a shot at that book. I think

1909
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: he would have tried to circle down wind to that

1910
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 1: decoy and got in very very close range of us,

1911
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 1: and we'd have been able to shoot him. But you know,

1912
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: just the fact that we had nothing else was a huge, huge,

1913
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: like don't do that anymore. And like now and another

1914
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: thing that I maybe should have touched on earlier. We're

1915
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: talking about cadence. It's like always looking at the next

1916
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: place of like, okay, we're here, now we've got cover.

1917
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 1: The deer shows up. This is how I'm gonna draw all.

1918
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: This is where you know, I've got a shot here,

1919
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: I've got a shot here. But then if we're gonna

1920
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: make ten more yards, like that's the next next place,

1921
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,720
Speaker 1: and then that's the shooting lane. You're almost picking the

1922
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 1: next spot before you get to it. You know, you

1923
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of have a small goal in mind or like

1924
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: or maybe you make it halfway, maybe I make it halfway,

1925
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: and the deer starts coming towards us, Like how are

1926
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: we going to make cover work? You know, it's just

1927
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: it's gotta be a constant thing in your mind of

1928
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: like how can I grab some cover real quick and

1929
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: make us make it work? And I think that we

1930
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: learned that hard that day, Like I mean, it's silly,

1931
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: it's it's funny now, but like we were just like

1932
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: how did we just make that mistake? Like that was

1933
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 1: so dumb, Like we were literally were exactly where we

1934
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: expected them to be, working that scrape line, and that's

1935
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing. You know, everything that we

1936
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 1: had planned was right except for we just didn't have

1937
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: enough caught and it was just silly. Yeah, that was

1938
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,799
Speaker 1: that was a hard one. My first year elk hunting,

1939
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: My my buddy I was with said this same thing.

1940
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: Never stop in an opening, never stop or do a

1941
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 1: calling sequence, or take any time to glass or anything

1942
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: unless you're set up somewhere with cover, because exactly what

1943
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: you said, things can happen so quick. They can all

1944
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:40,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden be an elk that shows up, and

1945
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 1: if you aren't set up with cover, you're stuck hung

1946
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: out to dry. And you just always need to plan

1947
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: for that happening, be ready for it just in case

1948
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 1: it does. Because the one time that it happens and

1949
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you're not ready, you know, you had the moment you

1950
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: had and yeah, for sure, and I think that I

1951
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 1: think what was the was disappointing was that Jake and

1952
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I both are like, you know, really really into turkey hunting,

1953
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: and like one of my one of my biggest like

1954
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: pet peeves is like calling without like previously looking for

1955
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: a place that you can dive into like if I'm

1956
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: not standing right decided, I'm you know, a step from it,

1957
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 1: because if a bird gobbles and he's inside a fifty yards,

1958
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: like he might be coming right now and you need

1959
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 1: to grab that cover. And it's like that was just

1960
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: just totally went over our head when we were deer

1961
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: hunting that day, and I think that, you know, I

1962
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 1: hope to never make that mistake again. Surely I will

1963
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: at some point, but you know, we learned a lot

1964
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: from it that day. And I guess one other thing

1965
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to quickly touch on, you know, to kind

1966
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 1: of get to um, you know, I guess getting to

1967
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: that point of you know, really looking hard for that

1968
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: hot sign and not setting up until you signed it

1969
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: is I just when I was talking about being in

1970
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 1: a rut at one point and hunting and you know,

1971
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 1: kind of doing the same old, same old. It was

1972
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: like you'd go into these spots and it's like the

1973
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: signs not there. You know, the scrape that might have

1974
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: been there the year prior isn't hot, it isn't opened up. Um,

1975
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, the rubs aren't there, and I just feel

1976
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: like I wasted so many sits in spots that like

1977
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: are good spots but just aren't hot spots. And just

1978
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, looking back at old footage, looking back at

1979
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, from from high you know, I've started I

1980
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: started filming, you know, just like my buddies, Like we're

1981
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: in high school. So I have like tons of tons

1982
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: of things I could go back and look at, and

1983
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 1: it's like those days we were having the best hunts,

1984
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: it's like we're always in the hot sign. The days

1985
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: that we're having the bad hunts, we're always not in

1986
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the hot sign. And I think that that's really one

1987
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 1: of the big steps that led me into this more

1988
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: mobile style of hunting. And and obviously like listening to

1989
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 1: guys like Dan and and learning more about this betting,

1990
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, betting how Buck's dead and and all that

1991
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: has definitely played a role in that as well. But

1992
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 1: you know, the big thing was just like feeling like

1993
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 1: at one point there was just a bunch of time

1994
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 1: wasted in not hotspots. Yeah. So, so something that I

1995
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: think includes a lot of the ideas we talked about

1996
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: so far is your Iowa kill last year. You you

1997
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: briefly touched on a bit, but I feel like if

1998
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 1: I remember that hunt, right, there was a little bit

1999
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: of the there's the ground hunting. There was some hot

2000
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 1: sign you guys noticed there was, um, you know, being

2001
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: in this new area that I think there was like

2002
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: a standing cornfield or cut cornfield or something like that

2003
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: that you were playing off of. Can you walk us

2004
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: through that and maybe use as an example to illustrate

2005
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: some of the things we talked about. Yeah, so what

2006
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 1: I guess there was one actually other really important factor,

2007
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 1: and that was hunting pressure. That day. It was November,

2008
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: and like it just seems like that day everybody was

2009
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 1: out and ended up running into um, that guy that

2010
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: I've actually met on public Land in Ohio, super crazy,

2011
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: and then I ran into him that day, met him,

2012
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: met him in twice in the middle of nowhere. He's

2013
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: from Vermont, and just happened to run into him twice,

2014
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: which was pretty cool, and um ran into him, ran

2015
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 1: and actually ended up running into his dad later that morning,

2016
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and like just ran into a number of different hunters

2017
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 1: throughout that whole that whole day, and we were just

2018
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:32,560
Speaker 1: again not like locking onto a spot, we were just like, okay,

2019
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't feel all right, it's bail And

2020
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: we went in that day, Um oh Man. We were

2021
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 1: probably at like five different public land locations throughout that day.

2022
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: We never went home, but you know, we just kept

2023
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: bouncing around, kind of poking into spots, and if it

2024
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: didn't feel good, we just laughed. And eventually we got

2025
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: to thinking about we'd hunted on the other side of

2026
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: the river on that same piece that we ended up

2027
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: going into that night and shooting the buck at. It

2028
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: was like I told told Jake, I was like, you know,

2029
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: not standing cornfield really interested me because if that standing

2030
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 1: corn I would imagine not a lot of people are

2031
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: walking way back in there, going through the corn and

2032
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 1: then getting into that betting area. And I had scouted

2033
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 1: that betting area. It's my buddy from Ohio. My parents

2034
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: were there, and um, we just scouted at that spring prior,

2035
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it seems like a really good place

2036
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: to be during the ruts. So we started easing in there,

2037
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:40,600
Speaker 1: and right away you could tell you could tell that

2038
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: there was hunting pressure kind of around the edges, like

2039
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 1: there were stands up around that standing cornfield, and and uh,

2040
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 1: you can see where somebody had been walking in there

2041
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit. But as we got deeper in there,

2042
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the scrapes started popping up. And

2043
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 1: then as we started to get into the edge of it,

2044
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: oh and then and then we got back even for

2045
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: in one of those corn fields have just been recently

2046
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 1: cut and there were buck tracks in that in the mud.

2047
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 1: It was real kind of a damp day and damp

2048
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,679
Speaker 1: evening the night before. There was all kinds of really

2049
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 1: fresh big buck tracks out in that um outing that

2050
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 1: cut cornfield. And we were easing our way back and

2051
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 1: got to the edge of the bedding area, started seeing

2052
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, rubs popping up, straights trails everywhere, and we

2053
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 1: eventually got into the middle of the betting area and

2054
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: we did bump a deer on the way and we

2055
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: blew a bunch like, you know, totally spooked one. I was,

2056
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I was assuming it was a dull. I mean, I

2057
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the right of coumption or not,

2058
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 1: but you know, we were just like like, okay, if

2059
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: we bumped into a deer, we've seen all the sign

2060
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: you know, we've we're being really quiet like nothing else. No,

2061
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: the only reason that dear spooked is because they got

2062
01:50:55,880 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: our wind. Like everything you know up wind of us

2063
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: should have no idea where here, sign looks good, everything

2064
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 1: looks good. Let's let's set up here and if we

2065
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: need to go further tomorrow. You know, we only had

2066
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: we only had like an hour and a half left

2067
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: at that point in the day. We've been all over

2068
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: the place, and like we were kind of running a time.

2069
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 1: So we decided, all right, we're gonna set up here

2070
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: and if it's no good tonight, we'll go deeper. And

2071
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: the whole I guess the whole strategy was there was

2072
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of this little mini funnel within that betting area

2073
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 1: where all the deer were coming out of their beds

2074
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: and they were walking down this like very small strip

2075
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: of canary grass. Everything else was like thick cat tails

2076
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: or willows, and like right in the middle there was

2077
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: kind of a hot little high rise and there was

2078
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 1: just canary grasstaurant on that and all those deer were

2079
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: coming out right on that that kind of little transition line.

2080
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: And our theory was, you know, if a buck is

2081
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 1: following some bills up and out of there, you might

2082
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: get lucky and he's gonna come right through here. But

2083
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: another thing that we think about a lot, and we've

2084
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 1: been talking about a lot of the last year. So

2085
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: it's like bucks crossing dough trails, you know, that's like

2086
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: kind of just a more effective way for them to

2087
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of check for the hot dough. It's like they're

2088
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: just cutting, They're going perpendicular to the bulk of the trails,

2089
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: Like a lot of trails are just you know, a

2090
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: to b bed to food and find a lot of

2091
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 1: scrapes and rubs that are going straight perpendicular to that.

2092
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 1: And it just we just started thinking, you know, it's like, okay,

2093
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 1: if if that's the case, like there's obviously obviously a reason,

2094
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 1: And we started setting up on that a lot more

2095
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: last year, and it's all lots of buck doing that,

2096
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: just going exactly perpendicular to the ball of the beer movement.

2097
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 1: They're just cutting those dose trails looking for the hot dough.

2098
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:52,719
Speaker 1: It's more efficient than them going and checking every betting

2099
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:54,679
Speaker 1: area instead they're just going and looking on all those

2100
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: trails just on one mine. And I guess the theory was, like,

2101
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 1: like I said, eas either us either going to follow

2102
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: the dose out on this little patch canary graph on

2103
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 1: the transition, or he's gonna come across here and come

2104
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: across in front of us. Cutting east trails. Our wind

2105
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:18,719
Speaker 1: was going it would have been perpendicular to those trails.

2106
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:22,599
Speaker 1: So we were set up twenty yards from those trailers,

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01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, anywhere from like seven yards to yards from

2108
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 1: those trails, and they were going in front of us

2109
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 1: east and west, and the wind was coming out of

2110
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: the south and the wind is blowing. The wind was

2111
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 1: blowing towards mostly cat tails, where we expected the least

2112
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 1: amount of deer to come from. Let's put it that way, Um,

2113
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of just going into a massive cattails. And like

2114
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: I said, like we blew a deer like right before

2115
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: we set up, because it was bedded out in those

2116
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: cat tails. But it was just one. And we knew

2117
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: if we were, you know, to do it for there

2118
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: was one, there would probably be some more. So we

2119
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: just didn't worry too much about it and just up

2120
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: and really nothing happened for the longest time. And I

2121
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 1: was getting impatient, you know, classic and I'm standing up

2122
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: on the We were kind of tucked up under a

2123
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: willow so unbelievable setup. It was. It was really really nice.

2124
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 1: It had ton to cover there, but there was this

2125
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:30,120
Speaker 1: like big willow trunk that kind of like ran along

2126
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 1: the ground and then went up so I could stand

2127
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 1: up on that trunk and I could get like three

2128
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 1: more feet up in the air and see further into

2129
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 1: that betting area. So Jake is like Jake is with me.

2130
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,480
Speaker 1: He was filming, and he was just like laying on

2131
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: the ground looking at his phone or something, and I'm

2132
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: standing up on this log glass and then that betting area.

2133
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: Remember saying something along the lines of just like, how

2134
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 1: are we not saying any deer because like we were

2135
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of just like you know, the hot side, Like,

2136
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,839
Speaker 1: how are there no deer in here? In like thirty

2137
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: seconds later, I hear crack this big branch snap, and

2138
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 1: I looked to my right and I just see handlers

2139
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:14,280
Speaker 1: sticking up in the grass, and uh, it's just super

2140
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 1: dumb of me, and I just moved too fast. I

2141
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: panicked because I was like, he's right on top of us.

2142
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's forty five yards coming right out of

2143
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:25,000
Speaker 1: I panicked, and I moved and he looked. He looked

2144
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: up and he saw he saw a movement. But I

2145
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 1: was again, I'm wearing that gilly suit, and I just

2146
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: slowly slops down. I can see that he's looking at me,

2147
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 1: but I just slowly slapped down, grabbed my bow, and

2148
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jake, there's a buck coming right out of like,

2149
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, get ready, but shure enough. He pops right

2150
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 1: out of that stuff. And at this point, he's thirty yards.

2151
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: He pops right out and he looks right at us

2152
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,240
Speaker 1: for one, one or two seconds, and he just doesn't

2153
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: see anything, and he just keeps on going. And he

2154
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: came about five more yards closer, and he cut cut

2155
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: those trails and then got to the end of where

2156
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: he wanted to go and he started to circle right

2157
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 1: back into that betting area. Now he's not going out

2158
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: towards those fields at all. He's going deeper back into

2159
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 1: that betting area. You know he was That's exactly what

2160
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 1: he was doing, is he was cutting those trails and

2161
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 1: then he was gonna loop right back in there. He

2162
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go out towards the agg he wasn't gonna

2163
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: go out towards that open ground. You know, it's getting

2164
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 1: close to dark, but he's going right back into that

2165
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: betting area. And I had some you know, some shooting

2166
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: lanes picked out, and you know, when I was envisioning

2167
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: the spot working, I was like, man, how awesome would

2168
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: it be if one just walked and put his head

2169
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: right behind that big bush. And he's like, because it's

2170
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: like I think I could draw and just stand up.

2171
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 1: Sure enough, that's exactly what he did. He went right

2172
01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: behind a big, big pile of brush out there. I

2173
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 1: just drew and stood up and as soon as he

2174
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: stepped out, I stopped him and shot him at tony

2175
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: five yards. And you know, a lot of a lot

2176
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:53,960
Speaker 1: of that is, you know, I think how he ended

2177
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 1: up getting to that spot is you know, kind of

2178
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,480
Speaker 1: like you said, all those things that we've touched on.

2179
01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 1: It's like avoiding the pressure, you know, look in for

2180
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 1: the hot sign and um, just being mobile, you know

2181
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: if it's yeah, we could have very well set up

2182
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 1: on a number of other places that day, but it's

2183
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: like we just try not to get too caught up

2184
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: in a spot that, you know, maybe it's been good

2185
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 1: in the past, Like if the signs not they're not

2186
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 1: not worth sitting it. But we knew when we got

2187
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 1: into that spot that we were we were gonna hunt

2188
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 1: it that night. We were gonna hunt it the next day.

2189
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,919
Speaker 1: Like if we didn't kill one that night, I'd guarantee

2190
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: we would have been back in there the next day

2191
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: because the sign was just on fire. Yeah, that's awesome that,

2192
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it is is cool to see all those

2193
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 1: things kind of line up to make that hunt. And

2194
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, so many times you can do nine percent

2195
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,360
Speaker 1: of the things right and then something still goes wrong.

2196
01:57:43,400 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 1: But it's nice when all the lessons learned, all these

2197
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 1: things you've been thinking about every once in a while,

2198
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: once or twice a year, maybe they line up in

2199
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: the everything falls in place and it works out. So yeah,

2200
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's it's total trial and arra too. I mean,

2201
01:57:57,720 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 1: it's just like any type of hunting. I mean, you're

2202
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna all for sure, but I think that Yeah, like

2203
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 1: you said, it's fun when it finally works out, because

2204
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 1: both times it doesn't. My favorite saying and hunting end

2205
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: in life is you win some, but you lose most.

2206
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,160
Speaker 1: You can't you can't let the losses get you down.

2207
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 1: You just gotta keep going after it. Man. That is

2208
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: the truth. So, um, well, I feel like there's nineteen

2209
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: other things I still want to talk about, but we're

2210
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 1: pushing close to two hours here, so we better wrap it.

2211
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: But what's the what's the plan for the rest of

2212
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the year where else. So you guys headed, Um tomorrow morning,

2213
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 1: we're going to Minnesota and we're gonna be hunting with

2214
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: um damn in fault. Um nice, I'll do it yourself sportsman.

2215
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 1: His name. His name is Garrett. Don't know if you're

2216
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: familiar with Garrett work. He's on YouTube. Um. And then

2217
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 1: a couple of other members from the Hunting Beast will

2218
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: be there and we're hunt some Minnesota public land, have

2219
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 1: some fun and we're calling it the public Land Challenge.

2220
01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: But you know, there's actually no real challenge. You just wanna,

2221
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, kind of document how we're all approaching things

2222
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,839
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. You know, we all have fairly

2223
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 1: similar aggressive hunting type styles. But you know it's just

2224
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun way to not really even I

2225
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 1: guess compare showing anything that's better, just showing how it's

2226
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: all different. And we're excited about that. And then um,

2227
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: we'll do Missouri for sure, Iowa for sure. Um, I

2228
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: really really really am hoping that it's all gonna line

2229
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna be able to get to Ohio.

2230
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to the kind of

2231
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: my plan right now is the hit Ohio one through ten, UM,

2232
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 1: and then November one through ten, and then oh what else.

2233
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 1: Alabama is looking like a thing that we're definitely gonna

2234
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 1: try and then and then that would be later in

2235
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 1: the season, and then Greg might go back to Nebraska.

2236
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, he really wants to go back to Nebraska,

2237
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 1: which would be really cool. Kind of try try to

2238
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,200
Speaker 1: hit it at a different time frame than we have

2239
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:09,560
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. UM, probably a little bit

2240
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin here and there, and then yeah, I mean

2241
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 1: we get lucky and put some more put some tags

2242
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: on some bucks, you know, maybe maybe even a couple more. Well,

2243
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 1: I know, some good stuff in Michigan I can point

2244
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: you towards if you ever had this direction. Uh, it's

2245
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 1: it's I would love the hunt in Michigan. Man, It's

2246
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 1: definitely on the It's definitely on the high priority list.

2247
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: That and that and just anywhere in the East. I

2248
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:39,880
Speaker 1: guess is I'm really drawn to just being from there.

2249
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:43,080
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to travel, you know, in the state's

2250
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:50,080
Speaker 1: bordering Ohio, so places like Indiana, u Kentucky, Pennsylvania, New York,

2251
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,640
Speaker 1: New York is really high on the priority list. Michigan,

2252
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 1: all those places I'm sadly you can't do them all

2253
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 1: in one year though. That's the that's the tough part.

2254
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: You can't do it all. But it sounds like you

2255
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:02,640
Speaker 1: guys are gonna give it one hell to try, so

2256
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to following along. So, Zack, I appreciate

2257
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:11,600
Speaker 1: you taking the time to do this just before taking

2258
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 1: off for a big trip and all that. And uh,

2259
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,879
Speaker 1: can't we see how it goes? Yeah, no problem, I'm

2260
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: really happy to happy to talk hunting. I appreciate you

2261
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 1: having me on it. I can probably talk for another

2262
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 1: couple of days here at least, but we'll have to

2263
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,040
Speaker 1: do it a follow up sometime, maybe later in the

2264
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: season or early next year. See how it all went. Yeah,

2265
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 1: sounds good. Appreciate it all right, Good luck to season, Zack,

2266
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you later. And that's gonna

2267
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:39,880
Speaker 1: do it first Today's so. I hope you enjoyed this

2268
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:41,800
Speaker 1: one as much as I did. I thought Zack had

2269
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 1: some really interesting things to share. Um, just a lot

2270
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:49,240
Speaker 1: of ideas that get me thinking. So who knows, maybe

2271
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 1: I'll be run around on the ground this year a

2272
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,000
Speaker 1: little bit, trying some things out. I know it's it's

2273
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,200
Speaker 1: a very intriguing proposition and a lot of his public

2274
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:59,000
Speaker 1: land ideas I know I've already been putting into action

2275
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:01,160
Speaker 1: in different Four is based off some of the other

2276
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: people he's learned from. Um I've learned from two, and

2277
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 1: I certainly think there's a lot of potential there as well.

2278
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 1: So good stuff here. I guess before we wrap this

2279
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: thing up, if you haven't yet subscribed to the YouTube

2280
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 1: channel or the podcast, we would love it if you

2281
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,160
Speaker 1: could do that. If you want to leave a rating

2282
02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:17,800
Speaker 1: or review on iTunes, that would be much appreciated as well.

2283
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: And I guess otherwise, I just want to wish you

2284
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: a ton of luck if you're out there hunting. I

2285
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 1: know hunting seasons they're open for a whole lot of

2286
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 1: people now, So good luck out there, shoot straight, and

2287
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to Hunt.