Speaker 1: Hey, it's brooking Jeffrey and your Second Date podcast. Thanks
Speaker 1: for being here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That we've ever had a test that someone has done
Speaker 1: on a date on this show that it's.
Speaker 2: Actually worked out. Ever, ever, ever good, and today is
Speaker 2: the absolute worst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so bad, so bad, you're gonna hear it
Speaker 1: in a moment. But first, for all those that checked
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they are positive. Question to Mark, you can all
Speaker 3: read the positive, that's for sure. Yeah, Tristan said, literally
Speaker 3: been skipping this episode for the last couple of days
Speaker 3: because it was too long, but literally the best one
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Speaker 2: And then because our full episodes are one hour, they
Speaker 2: are Yeah, it's a lot of us, we get it.
Speaker 3: And then someone else said, Jeffrey totally wanted this post
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Speaker 3: I realized we post Jeff's Yeah, do you want to
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Speaker 2: Just yesterday?
Speaker 1: But right now brand new Second Date. Gonna love your
Speaker 1: comments after this one. It starts right now.
Speaker 4: Second Date updated. We cover a lot of trends on
Speaker 4: this show and weird dating terms like bread crumbing, Darth vadering.
Speaker 4: That's where you battle your own son to see who
Speaker 4: gets to kiss your sister.
Speaker 2: I do not.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's big on the East coast right now.
Speaker 4: There's definitely some weird ones out there, and one we
Speaker 4: came across recently is called the Alpha Challenge.
Speaker 2: What's Up?
Speaker 4: And I think our listener might fit underneath that umbrella
Speaker 4: because she admits she likes to test men whenever they
Speaker 4: go out on a date. She says she feels like
Speaker 4: maybe she crossed the line this most recent time. So
Speaker 4: let's welcome to the show. Mallory.
Speaker 5: How you doing, Mallory, Hi guys, I'm okay. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you We've never had a dating test that
Speaker 1: hasn't failed on this show. Like every time someone is like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to test them, like it never works out
Speaker 1: backfires like it works absolutely.
Speaker 4: So you said, maybe you feel like you crossed the line.
Speaker 4: Why don't you start by telling us the name of
Speaker 4: this guy that you met?
Speaker 6: Okay, So the guy's name is John and we met
Speaker 6: online and so many men's profiles they time act like
Speaker 6: their alps like a big fish thing. I'm such a man,
Speaker 6: and it's like, if you got to do the big fish,
Speaker 6: I don't know. Look, it's really all okay.
Speaker 2: Wow, girl, say that I offended right now here. Now
Speaker 2: women hate the fish pictures? Really, Yeah, who are they for?
Speaker 2: They're only for you?
Speaker 6: These are only for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well you don't get to split any of
Speaker 4: our fish then after we come and cook it up
Speaker 4: for us.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know how to fish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my housekeeper Lucy does, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: Are these the alphas that you're talking about, just like
Speaker 1: Jeffrey exactly?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, anyway back to this guy John, what was
Speaker 4: his deal?
Speaker 6: John did have his humongous fish picture, and I was like,
Speaker 6: all right, you look kind of manly. So I'm thinking
Speaker 6: like if this is legit, if he's anything like this, like.
Speaker 4: We're good.
Speaker 6: We're probably gonna make out. Well here, okay, all right,
Speaker 6: yeah that too.
Speaker 2: She's a fan of this, yeah you were, yes, total.
Speaker 6: Fan, total fan. And so for our first date, he
Speaker 6: was like, let's do an escape room. And I've done
Speaker 6: those before. I've done those with guys on dates, and
Speaker 6: I think you see a lot about a person because
Speaker 6: there's all this problem solving and puzzle and you really get.
Speaker 4: To see, Yeah, it's a good chance for him to
Speaker 4: show off all of his alpha skills in order to
Speaker 4: escape you from the room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like, let me see what you got.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: We met at a bar near by first, and he
Speaker 6: walks in looking real good. He's sefy, he's tall, and
Speaker 6: I was I was all about it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So he's like man's man and you're you're totally digging it.
Speaker 6: Totally digging it. So I figured, okay, how do I
Speaker 6: test this guy? Like, how am I going to figure
Speaker 6: out if he's really an alpha in this escape room?
Speaker 6: So we went to the first room and he actually
Speaker 6: surprised me because it was like this kind of creepy
Speaker 6: room and he's like, oh, I recognize this place. I
Speaker 6: think my ex limbd here.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so he's funny too, Okay, yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: So that could go either way.
Speaker 6: Are you funny or you know, can you own it?
Speaker 6: So then we go to the second room and there's
Speaker 6: this like closet thing, and so he goes in and
Speaker 6: I just closed the door behind him and I locked it.
Speaker 4: Wait, whoa, whoa? What you locked it in a closet.
Speaker 6: I locked him in the clouse, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 6: this is the perfect test. Can this man be a
Speaker 6: man and get himself out of there?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like it's a red flag
Speaker 2: if a guy can pick a lock.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think I think I'd be like this
Speaker 6: man knows how to be a man. I think I
Speaker 6: would have I would have done it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So what happened?
Speaker 6: So he's in there like fumbling around for like about
Speaker 6: ten minutes?
Speaker 1: WHOA was not? Wait?
Speaker 2: What was his mood? Was he geting angry at you?
Speaker 6: At the very beginning, he was laughing, he thought it
Speaker 6: was a joke, But as the minutes went on, he
Speaker 6: was not as playful. He was kind of pissed, and.
Speaker 3: There was imagine what the person who's watching your room
Speaker 3: is thinking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. A real alpha would have taken
Speaker 4: out his fish from his pocket, picked the bones and
Speaker 4: turned them into a key and unlocked the door.
Speaker 6: That's the kind of man I want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 2: Do you feel bad at all?
Speaker 5: Not at all.
Speaker 6: I feel like this was a really solid test, and
Speaker 6: I feel like I gave the guy a really you know,
Speaker 6: like an opportunity to prove himself. So I think I
Speaker 6: was doing a good thing. And then the guy that
Speaker 6: ran the escape room he like walked in. He's like,
Speaker 6: is everything okay in here? He's like, you want me
Speaker 6: to unlock it?
Speaker 5: And I'm like no, no, no, no, this was the
Speaker 5: whole test.
Speaker 3: I can't let him out, and we're wondering why he's
Speaker 3: not calling you back?
Speaker 4: How does the escape aprom experience and did he figure
Speaker 4: it out?
Speaker 6: So we give him a few more minutes and then
Speaker 6: I let the guy let him out and he was
Speaker 6: super salty. Yeah, you know what, It's fine because at
Speaker 6: that point I already know like we're not a match.
Speaker 6: This guy couldn't get out by his felt so he's
Speaker 6: not for me anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is confusing then.
Speaker 6: Well so wait, so then we leave and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: can you just take me home? And he goes, no,
Speaker 6: why don't you go uber yourself home?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, And I was like, that's my kind
Speaker 6: of man. So that once, once he wanted me to
Speaker 6: take my own Uber and driving home, I was like,
Speaker 6: that's the alpha man I'm looking for.
Speaker 4: He stood up for himself. He finally took a stand against.
Speaker 1: This is so strange to me because it's like you
Speaker 1: push him to a brink and then he finally pushes back.
Speaker 2: And that's the type of relationship you're looking for.
Speaker 4: On the first date, he was able to muster that energy.
Speaker 6: You know, why, why waste the time? Let's see exactly
Speaker 6: how we click and like, now I know he's the
Speaker 6: kind of guy I want.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is going to be an interesting like.
Speaker 1: I mean, we obviously know why he's not calling you back, right,
Speaker 1: I mean we.
Speaker 4: Think we know why, but we won't know until we
Speaker 4: call this alpha directly and ask him what's going on
Speaker 4: between you and Mallory.
Speaker 1: Oh man, is it going to be like Alpha VI
Speaker 1: Alpha Jeff with you and him on the phone.
Speaker 2: Is it going to be really hard?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we just let this alpha shine first.
Speaker 2: Alpha.
Speaker 4: You'll be able to tell when the two alphas square
Speaker 4: off because the dominant album you.
Speaker 2: Actually hearing their voice who has more chest terror.
Speaker 4: Be careful, Mallory, you might get a little bit too
Speaker 4: turned on when we come back later. Ultra Alpha Second
Speaker 4: date update coming up right after this second date update.
Speaker 4: If you're just joining us for the second date update.
Speaker 4: Mallory knows what she wants. She wants to date a
Speaker 4: real man who can pass her alpha test and prove
Speaker 4: he deserves to go out with her. And her test
Speaker 4: for John recently was to lock him in the closet
Speaker 4: of an escape room and told him a true alpha
Speaker 4: could figure out a way to get out of this
Speaker 4: all on his own.
Speaker 1: I think you should have just dropped him in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, fifty miles away and just seeing
Speaker 1: if he found his way back to you.
Speaker 4: I'll be back in a week. That's a good option
Speaker 4: for day two coming up. Because the thing is John
Speaker 4: did not figure out a way out of that closet.
Speaker 4: He mostly begged and complained the entire.
Speaker 2: Time, did not find the challenge fun.
Speaker 4: But his shining moment came after the escape room when
Speaker 4: she said, Hey, John, why don't you give me a
Speaker 4: ride home? And he said, no, you get newber Yeah
Speaker 4: alpha move, I mean not exactly like that. Yeah, well
Speaker 4: something along those lines. It was enough to convince her, Oh,
Speaker 4: he really is able to stand up for himself, and
Speaker 4: now she wants us to call him.
Speaker 2: That's what she liked.
Speaker 4: It actually like turned her on.
Speaker 2: I think all of this is going to be shocking
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would personally feel like if I
Speaker 1: got locked in the closet, it would be because they
Speaker 1: didn't like Mallory.
Speaker 4: Do you think that John is going to be totally
Speaker 4: shocked when we're reaching out to him right here?
Speaker 6: I mean, I get it. I mean, he's definitely not
Speaker 6: happy with me right now after everything that happened. But
Speaker 6: what I didn't get to tell him is that he
Speaker 6: did pass the alpha test. Is not in the way
Speaker 6: that I initially intended.
Speaker 2: No, did he know that an alpha test was happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he may have had no clue that he was
Speaker 4: being tested at any point. He just thought you were
Speaker 4: being you crazy.
Speaker 2: This would be good news.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look at this point, I've only seen him do that
Speaker 6: one thing, and that one thing was great, But like,
Speaker 6: there's a lot more to show, so he's truly alpha material.
Speaker 4: There's more tests, Okay, yeah, yes, yeah, And this call
Speaker 4: is going to be a total curveball to him too,
Speaker 4: So let's see how he handles it in an alpha manner.
Speaker 5: Hopefully, yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Up on us. She is just going to be so excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna be excited too. If that happens. Already,
Speaker 4: here we go. I'm gonna John's number. Let's see if
Speaker 4: he answers. Hello, Hey, is this is this John? Yes?
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 4: This isn't what I was expecting. Hey, Man, you're yeah,
Speaker 4: Man's just excuse me, I'm talking. This is a show.
Speaker 4: We're called Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning. You're on
Speaker 4: it right now.
Speaker 5: Okay, why that's a great question, John.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The reason is because we do this segment it's
Speaker 4: called a second Date Update, where we try to help
Speaker 4: listeners get in touch with people again after they've gone
Speaker 4: out on one date and are getting a follow up
Speaker 4: for a second mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, I understand.
Speaker 4: Okay, So recently you may or may not remember this,
Speaker 4: but you went out with a woman named Mallory.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah I did.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear how this date went for you.
Speaker 4: Because we are bold why you aren't calling her back?
Speaker 4: And that was their first hangout?
Speaker 2: A lot of schasm in Jeff's voice.
Speaker 4: So hold on you.
Speaker 5: You don't know anything that happened.
Speaker 4: We know a few things, you know. I don't want
Speaker 4: to give everything away, but I understand it's probably not
Speaker 4: your typical first date. That you've gone on, you know.
Speaker 5: Getting locked in a closet not at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of the whole thing, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 5: Was not pleasant at all. I experienced the roller coaster
Speaker 5: of emotions during the lock in.
Speaker 2: At what point did you realize she wasn't joking?
Speaker 5: Probably after the third time she banged on the door
Speaker 5: and said, hey, dummy, are you you figured it out yet?
Speaker 4: Who these words?
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: That's about what she said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, would you say that this whole locking in
Speaker 4: the closet thing, that was the main reason that you're
Speaker 4: not calling her back?
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean we argued about it. I
Speaker 5: just I honestly, I just wanted to get the heck
Speaker 5: out of there.
Speaker 4: I think we all can understand why you would feel
Speaker 4: that way. But I will say, on the other side
Speaker 4: of it, sometimes when two people spark like that, that
Speaker 4: could be a sign of a good thing.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if sparks the word yeah, right, passion.
Speaker 1: Okay, at any point did you want to kiss her?
Speaker 2: That's I think what Jeff is getting at.
Speaker 5: I mean I might have thought about it in the beginning, Yeah,
Speaker 5: but after I heard that the third or fourth. Did
Speaker 5: you figure it out yet? I was done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think anyone blames you for that.
Speaker 4: Look, not every woman is going to challenge you like
Speaker 4: this on a first date. Some women just sip wine.
Speaker 4: They want to be showered and compliment. And this woman
Speaker 4: is pushing you to be the greatest man you can be.
Speaker 2: I don't know that you're hearing him, Jeff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think he is there.
Speaker 4: There is a tiger inside of you waiting to be unleashed,
Speaker 4: and I'd like to open the cage right now as
Speaker 4: we tell you that Mallory is on the other line
Speaker 4: wanting to talk to you. No, yeah, no, she is, oh.
Speaker 2: My no, locked on the other phone line.
Speaker 5: Right well, I mean she deserves to be locked somewhere.
Speaker 4: Mallory.
Speaker 5: You're out, Hi, John, Hi?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I just I want you to
Speaker 6: know I really appreciate that you took the call and
Speaker 6: that you're here to talk.
Speaker 5: This is almost like getting locked in the closet. I
Speaker 5: was forced to they called me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well listen, John. That whole thing was to kind
Speaker 6: of just see, you know, if we click and see
Speaker 6: what you're made of and see if you have that
Speaker 6: kind of help energy that I'm really looking for a man.
Speaker 6: And when you told me to go get an uber,
Speaker 6: when you wouldn't drive me home, that was the biggest
Speaker 6: turn on the way your voice that was so serious,
Speaker 6: you like and at that moment, seriously, John, I would
Speaker 6: have done anything for.
Speaker 5: You to get in an uber and me walking away
Speaker 5: turned you on. You are very sick lady. Oh did you.
Speaker 6: Call me very sick? John? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did, and he said it with that deep,
Speaker 4: husky voice of his.
Speaker 6: You know what, that's exactly what a non alpha would say.
Speaker 6: That's all sigma right there. You're follower. You don't even
Speaker 6: own this. Okay, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Don't like to be bad mouthed. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: You're gonna bad mouth me? You can do a little
Speaker 6: bit more than sick. That was sick. That's that's no sigma.
Speaker 6: You can't even come up with.
Speaker 4: More than natural challenge issue, John, go harder? Okay.
Speaker 5: So so if it's sick, isn't the right word then demented? Twisted? Maybe?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but this is you know what, you
Speaker 5: know what? And if you don't like me, you don't
Speaker 5: have to Okay.
Speaker 6: No, I don't and you know what, John, I should
Speaker 6: have trusted my instincts when you couldn't get out of
Speaker 6: that closet, because you know what else you don't know?
Speaker 6: I hooked up with the escape room guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean when?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: When is exactly the right question.
Speaker 6: When John left me there to get my own uber,
Speaker 6: that guy came out, and that guy took advantage of
Speaker 6: the situation. And he is the kind of alpha I
Speaker 6: was looking for.
Speaker 4: Oh after, he saw you.
Speaker 3: Like a guy in a closet and liked it.
Speaker 6: Apparently, So there are men that are alphas actually out there,
Speaker 6: and that's the truth.
Speaker 1: Like y the twenty something working part time is the
Speaker 1: escape room is the alpha that you're looking for?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the alpha she's looking That's the alpha she deserves.
Speaker 4: Did you just did you just do this whole thing
Speaker 4: to use us so you could tell him that?
Speaker 6: No? I mean I would give that one more shot
Speaker 6: to truly be an alpha, but you just don't have
Speaker 6: it in you.
Speaker 4: This is great.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's upset by that. Mallory.
Speaker 6: Of course he's not, because he's not an alpha. So
Speaker 6: he troubles it in and he doesn't stick up for
Speaker 6: anything not strong buddy.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well, you know, like I said, this
Speaker 5: is me and you don't do it.
Speaker 2: Again. You know.
Speaker 5: You know what, lady, I really don't appreciate you labeling
Speaker 5: me because I am who I am?
Speaker 6: Yeah, John, are you are you telling me what to
Speaker 6: think right now? Because that actually that that's kind of
Speaker 6: doing it for me.
Speaker 4: Okay, tell me what.
Speaker 2: The thing is and I will off the right. Ye,
Speaker 2: get me off the right.
Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm staying on.
Speaker 5: Just can John get off the right as well?
Speaker 4: We can't get off until I ask you, John, would
Speaker 4: you like to go out on one more date with Mallory?
Speaker 4: And we would pay for absolutely not. It's a true
Speaker 4: alpha move to turn down three gifts.
Speaker 6: Like that final test said and done. Yep, So not
Speaker 6: on alpha total that's coming or whatever.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm stop asking questions, but just.
Speaker 6: Set him up. We just gave him the freaking ball
Speaker 6: to go run with it and he just dropped it
Speaker 6: once again.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on this.
Speaker 4: I guess now that only leaves one alpha in the
Speaker 4: room as there always was.
Speaker 2: Jeff, how are you talking about me?
Speaker 4: I was like risk action on the ground really didn't
Speaker 4: have Jeffrey in the morning. Some people just aren't a
Speaker 4: good match. Even when you try over and over and
Speaker 4: over to force it, it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 2: That is a big lesson for you, Jeff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 4: You don't got to learn it at some point. Not yet.
Speaker 2: Is there a man that isn't frightened of her though?
Speaker 1: Well? Escape room guy, Yeah, it worked out for him
Speaker 1: because he knew where the key was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Walker in the closet too. Yeah. But a lot
Speaker 4: of people are texting in at seven eighty five nine,
Speaker 4: who's saying she didn't really want to go out with
Speaker 4: him at all. She only did this to get revenge
Speaker 4: and brag about making out with a scape room guy.
Speaker 4: Which is that even a brag?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it makes her look.
Speaker 5: Kind of bad.
Speaker 4: I've made out with plenty of Escape Room employees, and
Speaker 4: usually they aren't lookers.
Speaker 2: Oh that was kind of an insult.
Speaker 4: Now there's a reason they choose to work in dimly
Speaker 4: lit basements.
Speaker 1: The front desk is very lip usually not in an
Speaker 1: actual basement.
Speaker 2: Jeff, who's basement? Where are you going?
Speaker 4: He's a room? Wait, I meet him on Craigslist and
Speaker 4: they say I have an escape room, because that's not
Speaker 4: how it works. Go to people's houses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to figure it out. Keep doing that.
Speaker 4: I'm doing it right. And if you enjoy basement stuff,
Speaker 4: you could check out The Basement of Entertainment, which is
Speaker 4: our podcast. You could find it all the way down
Speaker 4: at the bottom at Brook and Jeffrey